Do You Want to Succeed in Internet Marketing?

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"Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do."
-Bruce Lee

Most Internet Marketers do not want to succeed! Why am I saying this? Because everyone is looking for a Get Rich Quick Master Scheme or a Turn-key Money Tree Business. The truth is it does not exist.

If you want to succeed start small learn a specific strategy or skill then practice honing it till it creates profit. You need to build your business from the ground up one step at a time with blood, sweat and tears. If Internet Marketing was easy then everyone in the World would be working from home.

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm."
-Winston Churchill

Educate yourself as much as you can but never forget to take action and apply what you've learned. You will fail but with every failure comes important lessons on the path to Victory.

1. Where do you start? Start with your passion. What gets you excited and engaged in your life? What is a favorite pass time or hobby? Once you answer that question you will have your Niche.

2. Decide how you can help others enrich and better their lives. That can be with a blog, premium service, or quality product. How much value can you give per dollar?

3. Create your own Brand and Company take the time to make yourself unique to all the other bricks on the wall. What can you simplify, solve, or sell that makes your business Superior to others.

You can create the next big thing by utilizing the magic of creativity and imagination.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    Veni, vidi, tacite relictum
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  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    "Do You Want to Succeed in Internet Marketing?"

    This reminds me of a local commercial that ran late at night for many years when I was a kid.

    The guy would appear on screen, get his head as close to the camera as possible and yell, "Do you want quality merchandise at fair prices?"

    My mom, the inveterate clown in the family would yell back at the TV, "Hell no! I want worthless crap and I want to pay through the nose for it. Watcha got?"

    I thank God, everyday that I'm nothing like her. She could be very embarrassing.

    Cheers.

    P.S. I believe it's more proper to ask: "Do You Want to Succeed at Internet Marketing?" Proper sentence structure can go a long way to help you achieve success in the world of Internet Marketing, which is heavily dependent on having good communication skills, both written and verbal. See what I did, there???
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    the more i see people talk about success with this stuff ..the more i realize the main reason people fail is somehow they believe the marketing is the business .. verse the internet, digital marketing, social media marketing ..to promote and bring customer to a business ..

    maybe i am missing something .. marketing is marketing .. internet just bring the cost down to near zero if you do it right ..but it seem people confuse the way you market the business with the business..

    with it just being marketing you judge success easy enough ..how does using it increase sales and revenue and generate nice profits ...
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    • Profile picture of the author SARubin
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      the more i see people talk about success with this stuff ..the more i realize the main reason people fail is somehow they believe the marketing is the business .. verse the internet, digital marketing, social media marketing ..to promote and bring customer to a business ..

      maybe i am missing something .. marketing is marketing .. internet just bring the cost down to near zero if you do it right ..but it seem people confuse the way you market the business with the business..

      with it just being marketing you judge success easy enough ..how does using it increase sales and revenue and generate nice profits ...

      Well, I see where you're coming from. But here's another way to look at it...

      Marketing is one of the main factors of any business. The actual product or service you provide is a "deliverable".

      Simply put... without customers, you don't have a business. Until someone shows up at your business, you're not really running a business (you're just a "potential" business)

      You could be the best plumber in the world. But you don't get to run a plumbing business until someone calls you with a leaky pipe.

      If you're a veterinarian... You don't get to be a veterinarian until someone shows up with a sick animal.

      If you own an e-commerce site... You can call yourself a merchant, but you don't get to actually be a merchant until someone shows up at your store looking to buy something.

      Advertising is part of marketing
      Fast delivery is part of marketing
      Customer service is part of marketing

      All of these things (and more) are designed to bring people into your business. And to keep them coming back.

      Again... without customers, you don't have a business. (you're just a "potential" business)
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

        Simply put... without customers, you don't have a business. Until someone shows up at your business, you're not really running a business (you're just a "potential" business)
        I would like to address some of your points, but I am doing so based upon your past displays of tolerance for being presented with opposing points of view, without, unlike many here, feeling personally attacked. We'll see how this goes.

        I believe you have a business from the day you open your doors. You can call it a new, or fledgling business, but it is an operating business, all the same. Once you have begun to garner customers, you have a young business, which you hope will grow into a thriving business.

        You could be the best plumber in the world. But you don't get to run a plumbing business until someone calls you with a leaky pipe.
        Seriously??? You're a plumber on the day you declare yourself to be one. You may not be trained or competent - but if calling yourself a plumber, or a carpenter or a copywriter floats your boat, have at it.

        If you're a veterinarian... You don't get to be a veterinarian until someone shows up with a sick animal.
        You're a veterinarian on the day they hand you your sheepskin. What if you NEVER practice? Are you not a veterinarian? Of course you are. A lawyer without a practice is still a lawyer.

        If you own an e-commerce site... You can call yourself a merchant, but you don't get to actually be a merchant until someone shows up at your store looking to buy something.
        You don't get to be an active merchant until you start shipping. Anyone can call themselves a merchant. There are no ground rules other than the loose rules of semantics.

        Advertising is part of marketing.
        I agree with this, of course.

        Fast delivery is part of marketing.
        Semantics, but I don't consider this marketing in the purest sense. I refer to it as 'order fulfillment.'

        Customer service is part of marketing.
        Again, not to me. I put this under 'customer retention.'

        Now, this can be argued ad infinitum, but in my world, the only things that I consider true marketing are actions that take place before the sale, and some results after, such as reviews and testimonials, but I see them as another form of advertising, though unpaid.

        If you are going to use the term 'marketing,' as you do - then want isn't marketing? Is doing repairs, marketing? Where do you delineate?

        All of these things (and more) are designed to bring people into your business. And to keep them coming back.
        Yes - but depending on your point of view, they most definitely don't all need to be considered marketing. If you were writing a business plan, none of these would be lumped, together.

        Again... without customers, you don't have a business. (you're just a "potential" business)
        Sure you do. If you've been at it a while, you have a failing business, especially if your business license is hanging on the wall, but you do have a business. You're just not generating any sales. :-)

        Cheers.
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        • Profile picture of the author SARubin
          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          I would like to address some of your points, but I am doing so based upon your past displays of tolerance for being presented with opposing points of view, without, unlike many here, feeling personally attacked. We'll see how this goes.
          Sorry, but I no longer have tolerance for anyone who doesn't tolerate my genius.

          I'm taking this stand based on a (only slightly) mutated form of your example.

          (Mostly because I always wanted to be just like you when I grow up. The only thing holding me back is my fear that if there were two of us, the entire Universe might implode from the sheer gravitational force of our brilliance.)

          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          I believe you have a business from the day you open your doors. You can call it a new, or fledgling business, but it is an operating business, all the same. Once you have begun to garner customers, you have a young business, which you hope will grow into a thriving business.


          Seriously??? You're a plumber on the day you declare yourself to be one. You may not be trained or competent - but if calling yourself a plumber, or a carpenter or a copywriter floats your boat, have at it.


          You're a veterinarian on the day they hand you your sheepskin. What if you NEVER practice? Are you not a veterinarian? Of course you are. A lawyer without a practice is still a lawyer.


          You don't get to be an active merchant until you start shipping. Anyone can call themselves a merchant. There are no ground rules other than the loose rules of semantics.
          Oh Frank (sorry... I mean Optedin)

          People can call themselves whatever they want. And if they get a sheepskin declaring their status, then that means someone else also thinks they have credentials.

          But unless you plan on buying 100% of your own market share, then we really need customers, or clients, to have a business.

          Although I suppose technically speaking, anyone who starts a business is a "business owner" but without customers they're just the owner of a "failing business". And that's just not very sustainable

          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          I agree with this, of course.
          Finally, you're making sense


          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          Semantics, but I don't consider this marketing in the purest sense. I refer to it as 'order fulfillment.'

          Again, not to me. I put this under 'customer retention.'

          Now, this can be argued ad infinitum, but in my world, the only things that I consider true marketing are actions that take place before the sale, and some results after, such as reviews and testimonials, but I see them as another form of advertising, though unpaid.

          If you are going to use the term 'marketing,' as you do - then want isn't marketing? Is doing repairs, marketing? Where do you delineate?

          Of course, of course. I never said marketing was the "only" factor.

          I simply said it's one of the "main" factors. Because once we have all of our internal systems in place... Then what do we do? (do we just sit around hoping people will magically show up and buy from us?)


          Now I may be somewhat biased in my thoughts (because it's like the old saying... "when your main tool is a hammer, most problems look like a nail") but I consider marketing anything that brings clients in, and/or keeps them coming back.

          If I do repairs, then that's the deliverable. If I do an exceptional job and I'm friendly at the same time, that could be a form of marketing (or it could just be my naturally charismatic personality?)

          If I send someone a "thank you for your patronage" letter, and it causes them to keep my number for the next time they need a repair, then that's marketing


          Your turn ...


          All the best,
          SAR
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            Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

            Your turn.
            I'll be back. Getting crushed, today. Mondays are tough. :-(

            I wouldn't miss this, though. Schooling someone with your 'perceived' intellectual prowess is exhilarating and tends to serve the masses.

            Cheers.
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            • Profile picture of the author SARubin
              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              I'll be back. Getting crushed, today. Mondays are tough. :-(

              I wouldn't miss this, though. Schooling someone with your 'perceived' intellectual prowess is exhilarating and tends to serve the masses.

              Cheers. .
              I'm not sure who it serves? Or even who's paying attention besides you and me?

              But I'm glad I could add some exhilaration to your Monday...

              ...You're welcome
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                Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

                I'm glad I could add some exhilaration to your Monday.
                Don't worry. I'm wearing a conundrum. :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by SARubin View Post



            Oh Frank (sorry... I mean Optedin)
            People can call themselves whatever they want. And if they get a sheepskin declaring their status, then that means someone else also thinks they have credentials.

            But unless you plan on buying 100% of your own market share, then we really need customers, or clients, to have a business.


            All the best,
            SAR
            there is a lot of thing you can't call yourself legally with out the proper sheep skins, credential, training and apprenticeships ..without serious legal or probable criminal fallout .

            just because marketing is one of those things you can learn just from doing it or reading book and learning to do that.. there are still many things i want people to have the proper degrees and professional training and professional licenses .. before i consider using their services ....

            with online marketing you get this odd thing where there are no legal restrictions. and virtually no investment in equipment .. all you need to do to be in business .. is to convinces someone you know more enough about it than them and convince them to pay you to do the marketing for them ..

            which is f' ing great if that what you want to do
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            Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

            Sorry, but I no longer have tolerance for anyone who doesn't tolerate my genius.
            So much for, "No man is an island."

            I'm taking this stand based on a (only slightly) mutated form of your example.

            (Mostly because I always wanted to be just like you when I grow up. The only thing holding me back is my fear that if there were two of us, the entire Universe might implode from the sheer gravitational force of our brilliance.)
            I couldn't have said that better, unless, of course, had I left your presence out of the equation, entirely. That said, it's too early in the day to crush the dreams and illusions held by others. That's strictly an, 'after lunch' activity.

            Oh Frank (sorry... I mean Optedin)
            Not a problem. That ship has long left the dock.

            People can call themselves whatever they want. And if they get a sheepskin declaring their status, then that means someone else also thinks they have credentials.
            No that means that they have met the long-held criteria to be considered as such, long before seeking the title.

            But unless you plan on buying 100% of your own market share, then we really need customers, or clients, to have a business.
            No. You need none to have a business. You need them to have what hopefully would be deemed a successful business. Again, word play.

            Although I suppose technically speaking, anyone who starts a business is a "business owner" but without customers they're just the owner of a "failing business". And that's just not very sustainable.
            Again, no. If you start a business you are a "business owner." You have a "failing business," when you are operating with the intent of attracting customers and "failing" to do so, or are successfully attracting them, but falling woefully short in delivering a quality product or service that will allow you to sustain your business and continue to grow.

            Finally, you're making sense
            Yes. Hopefully I am setting an example for you.

            Of course, of course. I never said marketing was the "only" factor.
            Maybe, not - but you seemed to imply that you believe everything is a form of marketing. This is where we part company.

            I simply said it's one of the "main" factors. Because once we have all of our internal systems in place... Then what do we do? (do we just sit around hoping people will magically show up and buy from us?)

            Now I may be somewhat biased in my thoughts (because it's like the old saying... "when your main tool is a hammer, most problems look like a nail") but I consider marketing anything that brings clients in, and/or keeps them coming back.
            Loosely. Very, very loosely. You could say that, but it's intellectually lazy. To succeed you need to drill down into all the aspects of running a business and understand the difference between each facet, the different challenges they present, the best way to accentuate them and what the end result will be of each. Yes, ultimately, in the end, as an overview they all work together to attract and keep customers, but the importance of each one varies from business to business,

            If I do repairs, then that's the deliverable. If I do an exceptional job and I'm friendly at the same time, that could be a form of marketing
            Customer retention.

            (or it could just be my naturally charismatic personality?)
            That should get your doors closed, soon enough. :-)

            If I send someone a "thank you for your patronage" letter, and it causes them to keep my number for the next time they need a repair, then that's marketing.
            Yes, it's marketing for the next sale. Adding a coupon is marketing. Asking for a referral is marketing. For the NEXT SALE. These are all pre-sale activities, even though they are the result of a prior sale.

            Let's be honest. All of us developed our concepts of running a business in various ways, at different times. Business philosophies have changed over the decades. The basic have remained the same, the concepts and methods continuously change with the times.

            Arguing over the semantics is meaningless, but I'm assuming you have no friends and are desperate for some form of human contact, so this iis mainly an exercise in magnanimous, intellectual charity. You seem like a nice person. Well, nice enough.

            The reason why many businesses fail is because they angst over these issues rather than working hard to understand them and put them into practice. The more you work at them, the quicker you will gain an understanding of how each one of them directly affects your personal business model. This allows you to put the priority you give each of these activities into the best level for achieving your goals.

            I would hope that on this, we could both agree. If not, I would also hope you would at least have the decency to acknowledge that everything I said is 100% accurate and that your offering was like throwing darts in a darkened room.

            Consider me the beacon of enlightenment, in your darkness.

            Have a great day.
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            • Profile picture of the author SARubin
              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              I couldn't have said that better, unless, of course, had I left your presence out of the equation, entirely.
              Now that was just mean, and hurtful

              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              I would hope that on this, we could both agree. If not, I would also hope you would at least have the decency to acknowledge that everything I said is 100% accurate and that your offering was like throwing darts in a darkened room.

              Consider me the beacon of enlightenment, in your darkness.
              I once was blind, and now I can see. (but if your wisdom is enlightenment... I think I prefer the blindness)
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                Originally Posted by SARubin View Post

                Now that was just mean, and hurtful
                I am not a very nice person. I have seen, too much.

                I once was blind, and now I can see. (but if your wisdom is enlightenment... I think I prefer the blindness)
                Well, after all that time, there is a comfort level to take into consideration. :-)

                Cheers.
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              So much for, "No man is an island."

              Loosely. Very, very loosely. You could say that, but it's intellectually lazy. To succeed you need to drill down into all the aspects of running a business and understand the difference between each facet, the different challenges they present, the best way to accentuate them and what the end result will be of each. Yes, ultimately, in the end, as an overview they all work together to attract and keep customers, but the importance of each one varies from business to business,

              The reason why many businesses fail is because they angst over these issues rather than working hard to understand them and put them into practice. The more you work at them, the quicker you will gain an understanding of how each one of them directly affects your personal business model. This allows you to put the priority you give each of these activities into the best level for achieving your goals.



              Have a great day.
              one of the things i have learned through study and some personal experience and talking to successful people ..

              is at this point in time nearly every business will fail eventually ..or the founder will sell it or just close it down ..going to a point in another post ..it comes down to profits ..

              there are a hell of a lot of trend based businesses that a smart person can jump in rake in the profits and once the trend goes away and the profits go away ..shut down that business..look for the next trend .. the problem comes when people get stuck in lifestyles with hefty recurring costs and can't shut down the business and move on ..

              that when the trappings of success become a track and people go from the millionair lifestyle to sleeping in their pickup truck ..

              the price for entry to start and keep a business going ..has gone down and monthly overhead can be kept lower now in many businesses .. unless of course you want to look like you are in a real business and get in huge expenses that may not be needed .. people can make more (money in their pocket )running a food truck than if the open a traditional restaurant..

              because this is a marketing thread.. much of the reason for the drop in cost ..comes from the drop in cost of marketing or customer connection ..and the increase in platforms .. that for small fees provide what took tens of thousands to millions of dollars of investment ..or sunk cost ..

              blah blah blah

              I used to be a lot more into gaming and 20 years ago the first multiplayer online role playing game cost.. 6-20 million to develop and heavy expensce to keep running.. even crappy game require a few million to develop ..now the model has changed and the free to play/pay to win market .. mean for thousands or tens of thousand .. someone can develop a game and start earning money and use earning to build the game up over time .. with a much smaller staff than ..using foreign programmers .. and instead of 10 years ago when there was WOW ..and a bunch of struggling games or failing games.. there are like thousands of different games now
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

    You can create the next big thing by utilizing the magic of creativity and imagination.
    Isn't that a bit like saying "You can succeed at sports if you're really good at it"?

    What big thing have you created to support this pearl of wisdom?
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Help people help people help people help people.

    More importantly; don't hurt people, don't hurt people, don't hurt people.

    Repeat prior lines for 5-10 years of your life. Daily.

    Folks ask me: "How did you appear on a billionaire's blog? Or on Fox News, Forbes and Entrepreneur?"

    I helped a ton of folks. With passion, with a genuine heart. Most importantly, I did not try to hurt folks, to criticize folks or to manipulate folks. I rose about the riff-raff in IM.

    Most IMers do ok but really screw up in the criticizing, hurting and manipulating department, being in pain, lashing out, then trying to cover up their weakness with phrases like "I'm being brutally honest", etc.

    You begin to align with billionaires and major media outlets when you rise above bickering, cleverness and other fear-based drivers that derail talented, persistent, but ego-driven marketers.

    Help people. Learn a skill, and generous serve folks. Then guys, please don't hurt people because you are dealing with your stuff. Work from the heart. This is how to live a life that inspires others to live their dreams and to fave their deepest fears.
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    • Profile picture of the author Roy kajal
      ryanbiddulph, I noted your advice, in IM everyone want success but they are not know what is meant by success actually?
      I think your proposal is good. I need more information from you.
      Regard
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Some great advice from Ryan B. in this thread: (Thanks, Man) ...

      I agree -- helping People (really helping them) and being of "service" are important components for sure.
      : )
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    I agree that you should always practice good business. Do not look to scam people that cons people out of money just so you can make a profit. Your goal should be to help people and in turn you will be successful in life and in business. Business ethics 101.
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    Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

    You can create the next big thing by utilizing the magic of creativity and imagination.
    And ignoring others is a given.

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  • Profile picture of the author Coderunclebkk
    To succeed in marketing your business online today, you really need to be strong in these 4 fundamentals. Each plays a part, and the sum together makes a cohesive strategy. The 4 keys are:

    1. Content
    2. Social Media
    3. List Building / Lead Capture
    4. Partnering / Networking
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  • Profile picture of the author affmarketer101
    I haven't succeed yet, just enough money for living.
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      Originally Posted by affmarketer101 View Post

      I haven't succeed yet, just enough money for living.
      Cheer up! You're doing better than most.
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      Get out of Survival Mode buddy, and into Service Mode. You will get there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by affmarketer101 View Post

      I haven't succeed yet, just enough money for living.
      that is a good place to be if you are earning enough from this to live on.. that is stage one of success
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    Amazing!! You have defined everything so correctly and deeply. This is one of the most helpful forums. Will share it with other relevant people too. Thanks for such an amazing piece of information.
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  • Profile picture of the author SacImaging
    I have bought many courses myself and followed some guru's and one thing they all have in common is a relentless work ethic, vision, great communications, and are sharp as a blade. But, when asked what's the secret to their success, it wasn't any of that, it was this, "never give up".
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      Originally Posted by SacImaging View Post

      I have bought many courses myself and followed some guru's and one thing they all have in common is a relentless work ethic, vision, great communications, and are sharp as a blade. But, when asked what's the secret to their success, it wasn't any of that, it was this, "never give up".
      There's no such secret - they're simply misattributing one of their perceived qualities. Hordes of unsuccessful businesses also don't give up - they keep going all the way to insolvency.

      Asking people about what made them successful only gives them the opportunity to rationalize their actions after the event. You rarely get a true picture of what actually happened. Success is almost always a result of a combination of factors - not least luck and timing.

      Study others by all means, but don't expect to find any "secret" that will somehow guarantee your own success.
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        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        There's no such secret - they're simply misattributing one of their perceived qualities. Hordes of unsuccessful businesses also don't give up - they keep going all the way to insolvency.
        All the while believing that tomorrow will be different, because that's what they read on an Internet forum from someone that has never made a nickel, but always has great advice for others.

        I appreciate you stating this important fact, since it seems that I'm the only one who is not reluctant to do so, This gives people the impression that I'm the only person who believes that utilizing the mantra, "Never quit," must be adhered to at all costs.

        Not that I care what anyone thinks, but it's nice not to be the lone voice, crying-out in the wilderness.

        Cheers,

        P.S. "Never quit, until continuing will result in abject failure and make your life worse than it already is. Then, run like hell."
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          All the while believing that tomorrow will be different, because that's what they read on an Internet forum from someone that has never made a nickel, but always has great advice for others.
          And when doling out this piece of "advice", people like to cite the famous Winston Churchill speech about never, ever giving in - forgetting that this speech was made when his country was in the midst of a foreign invasion, and conveniently leaving out the rest of the quote, which ended with the caveat:

          "...except to convictions of honour and good sense."

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            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            "...except to convictions of honour and good sense."
            That guy would have never amounted to much as an 'Internet Marketer.'

            What a loser!
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        There's no such secret - they're simply misattributing one of their perceived qualities. Hordes of unsuccessful businesses also don't give up - they keep going all the way to insolvency.

        Asking people about what made them successful only gives them the opportunity to rationalize their actions after the event. You rarely get a true picture of what actually happened. Success is almost always a result of a combination of factors - not least luck and timing.

        Study others by all means, but don't expect to find any "secret" that will somehow guarantee your own success.
        i think the only secret ..or at least the easiest path to success ..is no to never give up but almost the opposite " know when to quit .. "

        now If you actually have real long term goals rather than dream that are pretty much 90 percent smoke up you butt .. you should know when what you are doing now .. is not getting you there and should be stopped ..

        so what i'm saying is .. that 90 percent of people after success in "online marketing business "pretty much have a dream of success that is mythical ..the perpetually on vacation with an internet cash machine ..

        this is my feeling so nothing to take to the bank ..i feel the other main secret to success .. is to first figure out what you want .. and do what you need to do to get that and to not do what will stop you from getting it..but the track a vast swath of the population is on .. is to focus on making money .. and then figure out what they want after they make the money .. and then to explain what they don't have because of money ..
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by SacImaging View Post

      I have bought many courses myself and followed some guru's and one thing they all have in common is a relentless work ethic, vision, great communications, and are sharp as a blade. But, when asked what's the secret to their success, it wasn't any of that, it was this, "never give up".
      in one way you are correct ..but in a big way you are wrong .. as it over simplifies to the point of being misleading

      you miss the secret to their secret .. here is the thing they where never giving up on ..as they probably gave up on several different stratagies using internet marketing that didn't work ..

      the skill to succeed with you tube , are not the same as the skill to be a good blogger , or sell stuff on craigslist, or build a linked in following and make money ..

      so what they where saying is they put in the time to learn how to effectively use each platform to sell stuff .. not that if a product was failing or didn't make money they stuck with it.. they probably dumped the bad ideas as fast as possible and kept the losses small ..

      never give up a building skills .. warren buffets number one rule always applies ..don't lose money .. and you build skills through coaching and testing ..and practice practice practice ..of what works

      but i could be totallt full of sh ... on this many internet marketer selling courses ..where selling and marketing stuff offline before they came online ...
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  • Profile picture of the author rahul kumar421997
    yes i want internet marketing because it is an easier way for marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Nice said here you must never give up and provide value to people .In the past i try many spamy things to get traffic to my offers i was wondering why i dont make money . Its not working this way
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      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      you must never give up
      This is bad advice.

      and provide value to people.
      I would think that EVERYONE knows this, going in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clifford Starks
    Very well said and I 100% agree. In large having the right mindset is the best way to achieve these goals.
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