Do You Think Persistence Is More Important Than Ability In Internet Marketing

by Ged3
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Hi Warriors,


I have failed and had some success with internet marketing, but I have found that from my own experience, persistence seems to be the one thing that has helped me more than the other qualities that I have.


Does anyone have a view on this?


I would be interested to hear.


Thank you.


Ged
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  • Profile picture of the author George Flm
    Interesting point of view. Persistence pays.

    ~ Victory belongs to the most persevering.
    Napoleon
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by George Flm View Post

      ~ Victory belongs to the most persevering.
      Napoleon
      Only if you know how to wage war! Napoleon left that part out of his quote because he assumed most people understood that fact, going in. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    Persistence without marketable skills is worthless.

    You can push a rock down the highway with your nose, all day long. What have you accomplished? Absolutely nothing of merit.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Well persistance its very very important but you need to have also some knowledges .I think both go hand in hand you cannot succed with only persistance or with only knowledge
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      Well persistance its very very important but you need to have also some knowledges .I think both go hand in hand you cannot succed with only persistance or with only knowledge
      Of the two, knowledge is much more important. With great knowledge you could succeed without persistence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    If you have ability but NO persistence - you may appear lazy on occasion.



    If you have persistence but NO ability - you'll look dumb every time you try.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      If you have ability but NO persistence - you may appear lazy on occasion.
      I may look lazy. Actually, I'm just being contemplative before taking my next brilliant action.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        I may look lazy. Actually, I'm just being contemplative before taking my next brilliant action.

        For myself, I never take brilliant actions. I find it more satisfying to watch other people take brilliant actions...and then brag about how I would have done it better.

        This complete..delusional..self involvement has served me well.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          This complete..delusional..self involvement has served me well, for my entire (what I like to refer to as) professional career.
          Edited for complete accuracy.
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  • Profile picture of the author luciesmazanska
    Definitely persistence is the most important
    During my life I run more than 10 businesses online so it's necessary
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by luciesmazanska View Post

      Definitely persistence is the most important
      During my life I run more than 10 businesses online so it's necessary
      Actually, in your case. black coffee and lots of it, is probably the most important thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author digital55
    Persistence is going to be very important. With persistence, you can learn and improve your ability and knowledge. Without persistence, you will most likely give up and fail too soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    Chicken or the egg?

    You can persistently do stupid stuff from now until the end of time and you still won't accomplish anything of value. (Whatever you consider value or success.)

    You can have all the talent and ability in the world but if you quit every time something gets hard or uncomfortable then you won't get far that way either.

    If you persistently learn and increase your abilities and keep going when you'd rather whine and blame other people...then you've got a chance.

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  • Profile picture of the author Highest And Best
    Persistence is essential to success in any endeavor. It seems that you have already learned that.

    It is also important to stay focused on the goal (you must have a goal), and to recognize when something is not working, and trying something different.

    Ultimately, persistence will help develop ability.
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      Originally Posted by InternetMarketingMadeEZ View Post

      You only fail if you stop trying
      You can try to do something for years and years - and still fail. Should you then still continue?

      and persistence gets you farther than brilliance.
      Brilliant individuals would beg to disagree. If you need to persist at something, you're just not brilliant enough. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Ged,

    Really, really really loving what you do online makes you:

    - persistent
    - patient
    - generous
    - somewhat detached from outcomes
    - curious
    - enthused

    As my NJ hooper and NBA star Kyrie Irving has said since he was at St. Patrick high school...."Hard work beats talent when talent does not work hard." I have never seen a human being as obsessed with practicing anything as he.

    People who genuinely love what they do outlast everybody in their niche. Living that quote is one reason Kyrie made $70 million last year between salary and endorsements, and it's why he's the most skilled guard on earth.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ged3
      Ryan,


      thank you - good point there - loving what you do helps you to stay persistent at it!


      Ged
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      Hi Ged,

      Really, really really loving what you do online makes you:

      - persistent
      - patient
      - generous
      - somewhat detached from outcomes
      - curious
      - enthused

      As my NJ hooper and NBA star Kyrie Irving has said since he was at St. Patrick high school...."Hard work beats talent when talent does not work hard." I have never seen a human being as obsessed with practicing anything as he.

      People who genuinely love what they do outlast everybody in their niche. Living that quote is one reason Kyrie made $70 million last year between salary and endorsements, and it's why he's the most skilled guard on earth.
      i agree with your example..it illuminates something very important though ..kyrie irving had a way to tell if the persistence and hard work work paying off ..through high school,college and into the nba..and feedback to let him and those around him see the possibilities ..and from freshman year in high school .. was putting up number to get interested ..

      so he had the talen and the willingness to work hard
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Years ago I saw this quote in someone's signature here:
    "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it."
    I saw that and never thought the real meaning was to quit but to adjust. When we keep doing the same things over and over expecting a different result, we are being a fool.

    So, yes, don't quit working towards your goals. But, yes, make adjustments when it's clear that what you're doing isn't working.

    Sometimes those adjustments are small - run ads on FB instead of Bing because Bing isn't paying off.

    And sometimes those adjustments are big - quit thinking about making money online and open a lemonade stand or start mowing lawns or get a 2nd job to make extra money.

    But you can still keep working a little along on your stamp collecting site/hobby or whatever with no expectations of $ involved. That's not quitting in my book. That's a potentially smart adjustment.

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    PS. Both qualities are vital. Being persistent without the ability to get things done the right way in a timely manner, does no one any good.
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  • Persistence is an important ability but I don't think it's the most important. The idea of assigning certain abilities/skills/values as more important over everything is a dangerous belief when it comes to IM.

    You need to have a lot of tricks in your bag and know how to use them. Relying on just one will get you nowhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author dana67
    I think both are important. You need the ability to do it and the persistence to keep doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author magnumgrp1
    Persistence is definitely necessary. But you also need to focus, and that too on only one or two goals. Don't spread yourself thin!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    IMO it doesn't matter how "smart" you are ― or how much "knowledge" you have or how "talented" you are -- if you don't have persistence/determination/etc ... Then success is very unlikely ...
    (Depending on which venture you choose.)

    Great question. : )
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  • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
    Good Niche + Good Offer + Good Marketing Skills + Persistence = Success

    That is my thoughts anyway. You do need the ability to follow through with what you start, BUT you must also have a good niche, good offer and good marketing plan to succeed.

    1 without the other is a complete waste of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by chuckholmes View Post

      Good Niche + Good Offer + Good Marketing Skills + Persistence = Potential for Success
      Edited for pragmatism.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Amazing formula: Thanks Chuck. Persistence is definitely one of the most important components.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by chuckholmes View Post

      Good Niche + Good Offer + Good Marketing Skills + Persistence = Success
      Why stop there?

      My formula: Good niche + Good Offer + Good Marketing skills + Persistence + Large budget + Good internet connection + Unlimited coffee + Comfy chair + Scenic view + Regular massage = Chance of Success

      Persistence is a character trait, not a skill. It might be desirable, but it has nothing to do with the function of internet marketing. You could replace the term internet marketing in the heading with any number of activities (football, quilting, bee-keeping etc.) and the responses in this thread would be just as relevant (or irrelevant).
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        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        My formula: Good niche + Good Offer + Good Marketing skills + Persistence + Large budget + Good internet connection + Unlimited coffee + Comfy chair + Scenic view + Regular massage = Chance of Success.
        Seems like you're being condescending.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Seems like you're being condescending.
          Well, if anyone would know. lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Seems like you're being condescending.
          Seems like you misread.


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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Something I like is "Discipline." With that in place, success becomes more achievable.

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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            Seems like you misread.


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            I misread it too that seems to be a better business model than most internet models i have read in the last 15 years.. if you take out the large budget out of it ..haha
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            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            Seems like you misread.
            Seems like some things, never change. :-)
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              Seems like some things, never change. :-)
              that is the bad side of persistence . there is no formula for success many people may like there to be.. but when those of you with experience list out the variables that go into increasing chances of success ..it gets taken as critsim from fear and trauma..

              stopping doing what it not working and figuring out what will work is way more important than persistence ..

              and to that point i will try to explain that to those of you who already get it .. rather than those who have proven they may never get it
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Seems like you're being condescending.
          You are misreading his post. He was making a joke.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            You are misreading his post. He was making a joke.
            OK: Sorry. I could be wrong however sometimes that's an "excuse" for being opinionated/rude/etc.
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              OK: Sorry. I could be wrong however sometimes that's an "excuse" for being opinionated/rude/etc.
              Why would anyone ever need an excuse for being opinionated, or to be what you might consider rude? lol

              So - you didn't read any books while you were on your vacation? Did you finish any websites with all that spare time you had?

              Don't worry. That was a rhetorical question. :-)
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            • Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              OK: Sorry. I could be wrong however sometimes that's an "excuse" for being opinionated/rude/etc.
              Jonathan;

              Opinionated is fine. Rude is not. Some people think being rude is funny. It's just not the way your brain (or mine) is wired.

              Frank Donovan wasn't being rude. It was clearly a joke. And it wasn't even a rude joke.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                And it wasn't even a rude joke.
                Which is how many view your existence on the planet.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Jonathan;

                Opinionated is fine. Rude is not. Some people think being rude is funny. It's just not the way your brain (or mine) is wired.
                True. Good point.

                Frank Donovan wasn't being rude. It was clearly a joke. And it wasn't even a rude joke.
                I know ― I completely misread/interpreted it. My apologies to Frank.
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                • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  True. Good point.



                  I know ― I completely misread/interpreted it. My apologies to Frank.
                  i didn't see it as a joke ..but the funny part of it i was a bit more true than any formula that guarantees success ..you can only even increase your chance of success in anything .rarely can you guarantee positive success or success of any measure.

                  If people wanted a truthful answer ..to the topic of this thread ..ability and persistence are both critical..because if you have little ability at the start and you are not persistently increasing or improving your abilities ..there is almost no chance of long term success ..

                  but how does one persist ..without the ability to pay their bills and put food on the table ..from some other source of income while they are building skills and abilities online .

                  unless yu look at franks formula ..which start with a huge budget haha ..

                  as the best way to make a small fortune is to start with a big one
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                    If people wanted a truthful answer ..to the topic of this thread ..ability and persistence are both critical..because if you have little ability at the start and you are not persistently increasing or improving your abilities ..there is almost no chance of long term success ..
                    I agree: They both are important. However, if you show me a Person with amazing persistence, that will trump lack of "ability" (etc.) every time.

                    but how does one persist ..without the ability to pay their bills and put food on the table ..from some other source of income while they are building skills and abilities online
                    Good point. Sometimes necessity is the mother of invention.
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                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      I agree: They both are important. However, if you show me a Person with amazing persistence, that will trump lack of "ability" (etc.) every time.
                      I want to bake a cake. I can't even successfully crack an egg or measure a cup of flour. No matter how persistent I am, without basic, innate skills and a little common knowledge, there will be NO CAKE TONIGHT. Persistence without ability is totally worthless. Who doesn't know this? Only someone without knowledge or someone who is only persistent at saying things that are ridiculous and who has never accomplished anything by applying the law of persistence. I know a few people like this.

                      How are those websites coming along? A little persistence, might be in order. :-)

                      Good point. Sometimes nessecaty if the mother of invention.
                      And sometimes, "Necessity is the Mother of Invention." This however, is NOT one of those times.

                      One should always be persistent in checking their spelling and grammar, before posting.
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                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

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                        One should always be persistent in checking their spelling and grammar, before posting.
                        no the world would shudder and come to an end if i suddenly start , when it comes to forum posts .

                        not like i want everything i say understood
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                        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                          no the world would shudder and come to an end if i suddenly start , when it comes to forum posts.
                          Well, you don't go around acting as if you're perfect, as well as the smartest and most worldly person on the forum. That said, you could greatly ease my OCD if you would at least stop leaving a space before your commas and your periods at the end of sentences. lol

                          not like i want everything i say understood
                          Mission accomplished. :-)
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                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            Well, you don't go around acting as if you're perfect, as well as the smartest and most worldly person on the forum. That said, you could greatly ease my OCD if you would at least stop leaving a space before your commas and your periods at the end of sentences. lol



                            Mission accomplished. :-)
                            I have gone with the other option. Posting to the forum less. Eventually i will take the next option if i ever feel the need to have my writing make money. Find someone who understands what i am saying when i speak, and have them do the writing and editing.

                            I am sure i can fin a Filipina who's written English is a lot better than mine and doesn't cost to much do have her do the writing.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                        The question was: "Do You Think Persistence Is More Important Than Ability In Internet Marketing ...?" And while I understand that there are several aspects to being successful ... I would definitely choose "Persistence."
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                        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                          @OptedIN

                          The question was: "Do You Think Persistence Is More Important Than Ability In Internet Marketing ...?" And while I understand that there are several aspects to being successful ... I would definitely choose "Persistence."
                          And - regardless of how you look at it, you'd still be wrong.

                          Persistence without ability will bring you failure.

                          Ability without persistence will bring you less success than you might have otherwise created.

                          That's just a fact of life.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            Persistence without ability will bring you failure.
                            Depending on what you mean by "failure" I actually agree. I didn't read your post enough before responding.
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                              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                              Depending on what you mean by "failure"
                              Merriam-Webster.com I didn't create a new meaning. The one the rest of the world uses, works fine for me.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      I agree: They both are important. However, if you show me a Person with amazing persistence, that will trump lack of "ability" (etc.) every time.



                      Good point. Sometimes nessecaty if the mother of invention.
                      if that persistence does not result in continually improving abilities ..then persistence is probably not a virtue ..that will hell in gaining success.. or long term success ..

                      outside of working the same job for 30 years and getting a small increase in pay every year ..which is the success many people get stuck settling for ..or whining because the world where that was possible is gone .

                      I don't isolate traits .. every successful person has multiple traits they develop over time or abilities ..

                      when you state it the way you did.. you devalue abilities .. when more and more valuable skills and abilities are what will bring more success .

                      many of the hardest working most persistent people in the world are broke or poor .

                      here is the question.. if you are not building skills and abilities .. then what are you doing Persistently..
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                      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                        here is the question.. if you are not building skills and abilities .. then what are you doing Persistently..
                        Failing!!!
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                    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                    i didn't see it as a joke ..but the funny part of it i was a bit more true than any formula that guarantees success ..you can only even increase your chance of success in anything .rarely can you guarantee positive success or success of any measure.

                    It was only half a joke, at best. The point I was trying to make is that persistence is no more a part of internet marketing (and therefore has no place in any kind of definitive "formula" for Internet Marketing success) than any number of other character traits.

                    What about persuasiveness? If your business involved an element of direct sales, wouldn't that quality figure in the equation? Or if you had to go it alone with a limited budget, perhaps resourcefulness would be a more important attribute.

                    If you were a figurehead or leading a team, you might consider decisiveness, confidence, authority or charisma to be useful traits.

                    And whatever your business, it would be hard to argue that attributes such as self-control, determination and enthusiasm should be less desirable than persistence on any success formula checklist.

                    Of course, the real point is that there's no formula for success. To run a profitable business, you need a combination of abilities and attributes. Even then, you might fall prey to outside forces beyond your control, or simply catch lady luck at a bad time.

                    Believing that persistence and ability alone will guarantee success might be a comforting thought for all the hopefuls yet to achieve anything, but it's just another platitude.
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                      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post


                      Of course, the real point is that there's no formula for success. To run a profitable business, you need a combination of abilities and attributes. Even then, you might fall prey to outside forces beyond your control, or simply catch lady luck at a bad time.

                      Believing that persistence and ability alone will guarantee success might be a comforting thought for all the hopefuls yet to achieve anything, but it's just another platitude.
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                      I m quoting a small part even though the whole post was truth ..or solid information .

                      because successes is actually a different thing for everyone there is no formula from anyone else one person can follow .. it is to late to build amazon the way Jeff bezoz .. or start the next Microsoft or apple.. and there is always the part of survivor bias ..that ignores all the people who did the same stuff but lost anyway ..

                      i am focusing more on lifelong success and i get good nuggest from the people here who have some wisdom .. verses the people here parroting line from some book they read or from the message the saw in some motivational speech ..

                      i have met several people in the last few year who had gotten rich then through health problem or some harsh life event lost it all ..and they could probably build it again if they where not dieing of something .

                      the only elements that have to be in the formula for someone to succeed .. is humiliation at the thought of staying poor or being poor for life ..if poverty or anything less than being rich or wealthy .. is not humiliating or traumatic enough.. people won't put in the effort to do what they need to do to build wealth or get rich .

                      adding this a few hours after the first separate idea

                      another problem with the stuff the sound good ..like be persistent .. is there is a way to be persistent that will increase the chances of success and then there is stubborn delusions.. that way goes against the i'm dream sales line. If someone want to increase their chance of building an i'm business starting with no skills or abilities .. they should expect it to take years ..meaning they need a full time job or a way to pay their bills and cover their responsibilities .. and work on their I'm dream on the side expecting it to take 2 to 3 years or more .. and that it will be a while before they can use any of the income to live on . or if they are single cut their living expenses down as much as they can ..so more of the real world income can be put in to help building their online business.

                      that is the the type of persistence that is a need by those going in green ..and it could be more than a few years..

                      where as the cut ties to everyone you know , lock yourself in your room and build your business using every waking moment for as long as it takes..is just ..blah
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    If a major algorithm change leads to the loss of 70 percent of the traffic you have and drastically reduces your income ..what is the place of persistence in how you react or respond.

    then the other question is do you have the resources to recover or hold out until you can rebuild your traffic .

    Are you built the such a thing would take you out of the game .

    things change fast online ..or on the internet.. some type of persistence are just stupid and will kill you economically.
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  • Gotta figure ability represents a kinda PERMANENTLY SWITCHED ON pathway to triumph.

    (Switch out 'ability' for 'dumbass gooberbrain wherewithal' here, an' prolly you can see where ima gowin' with this.)

    Thing is, we seen plenty people got ability had to wait an' wait ... an' sweat an' sweat ... before that permanently switched on sh*t they got connected up with malleable smarts they could get their hands on.

    Ultimately, productivity don't soar on any kinda either/or.

    You gotta muster sh*t together, super selectively, an' figure what is out there gonna luuuurve exotic firepower aimed direct smacko on its sweet spot.

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  • Profile picture of the author KIORTY
    May it be possible that you develop ability through persistent work? Psychologists say that often motivation may substitute for lack of knowledge
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by KIORTY View Post

      May it be possible that you develop ability through persistent work? Psychologists say that often motivation may substitute for lack of knowledge
      Only a dumb-ass psychologist would say something so incredibly stupid. What good is persistence if you don'y know what the hell you are doing?

      If you believe that, you can skip the psychologist and go right to a psychiatrist.

      Common-sense - PLEASE!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamel Hassell
    I have failed several times and I continue doing so , so you are not alone. Persitency rewards you handsomely if you are using the right techniques .On the flip side If you are applying the wrong methods then it won't work. So what is comes down to is knowing when to pivot or abandon an idea or a set of philosophies that are not progressive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ged3
    Yes you have to learn from your mistakes.


    Someone once said "He who never makes mistakes, never achieves anything".


    If you always learn from your mistakes and improve from them without giving up you should profit in the end
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  • Profile picture of the author King Manu
    What is more important? Water or oxygen?

    That's true, without O2 you die faster, but they are both necessary. Same with persistance and ability. Without a constant chase of personal development while pursuing whatever you want to achieve, the effort is futile.

    But without persistance, you cannot have the means to overcome your own weaknesses and achieve a higher level of mastery. You would simply give up too soon to see any kind of results.

    Therefore, they are both essential.
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  • Profile picture of the author LEE BYRON
    This is meaningless question. Right Object with persistence can rock, otherwise BS
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  • This is actually no point I think. The both are essential and each of the two both is impossible to be gained without one another.

    Expertise(ability) is won by persistence: working over time, digging deep into the specific area with tremendous amount of researches and studies and attempts to enhance the skills (e.g: how to attract more engagements, leads, sales. Where/how to promote it for the highest conversions etc)

    At the same time, persistence tends to be coupled with good ability or satisfying results a marketer manages to win because without good skills in online marketing, it's high chances just to get lost and lose interests and motivation at work so finally persistence for the internet marketing job would be given in.

    Just my opinion. Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Take it from an ol' Internet Marketing Papasan
    Gurus don't have a clue

    "Persistence and ability go hand in hand."
    Can't count the the times I demonstrated that to the cuties in The Internet Marketing Schools of Thailand.
    Gunny: Did you skip class today sailor?
    Self: Kinda Gunny.
    Gunny: Splurf, you went to class or you didn't?
    Self: Yes Gunny.
    Gunny: Which is it seaman dumb ass?
    Self: I went to class in the morning Gunny.
    Gunny: And what did you do it in the afternoon seaman dumb ass?
    Self: I spent the afternoon with your daughter and was tactfully persistent in her skilled ability Gunny.
    Gunny: I don't have a daughter sailor dumb ass.
    Self: Oh, then it must have been Mrs. Gunny


    Moral to the story.. In The Internet Marketing Schools of Thailand?


    I don't know but at least I was a persistent dumb ass with the arcane ability to really piss off Gunny and live to talk about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

      "Persistence and ability go hand in hand."
      Agreed. But you CAN succeed without persistence if you have enough ability.
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      • Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Agreed. But you CAN succeed without persistence if you have enough ability.
        Absolutely. For example, if you get a job. Your skills will generate raises, no prsistance really needed.
        Another example is if you are really talented and get noticed..or you know how to market.

        But for the rank beginner in business, persistence will keep them going until they actually learn something.

        The problem I see in discussions about persistence, is that the vast majority of people see it as "doing the same thing over and over again, until you succeed"...like knocking on doors, saying the same thing at every door. Sure, persistence will keep you from quitting...

        But if you never improve what you are doing..never learning from mistakes, persistent effort will just exhaust you.

        I tend to think that most of us here are talking past each other, when we really pretty much agree.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I tend to think that most of us here are talking past each other, when we really pretty much agree.
          You stating that you "think" anything would indicate that you are stipulating that you have a brain. No matter how persistent you may be in that assertion, you will never be able to demonstrate that you are stating a fact.
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