The More You Fail ...

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... The more you learn.

And, the more you learn, the more you succeed.
(That's been my "matra" this week after attenting a
workshop/group.)

And I thought you Guys would appreciate this article:

https://www.lifehack.org/articles/co...u-success.html

"Failure is simply the opportunity to
begin again, this time more intelligently."

― Henry Ford.

Enjoy.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Johnathan,

    I have shifted from judging results as successes or failures, to just seizing opportunities. Fun, freeing away to live inside-out plus it is a fail-free way of seeing things
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    But in order to fail, you usually have to first, you know, do something.

    Other than recite mantras, that is.


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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      But in order to fail, you usually have to first, you know, do something..
      Of course. That goes without saying.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      But in order to fail, you usually have to first, you know, do something.
      Like finish the two websites that have been talked about and promised to be, "finished, soon" - for the past few years.

      Building websites entails using your hands in a productive manner. Sitting at a seminar allows you to use your hands to do nothing more than to play pocket-pool.

      "I can't, therefore, I quote others, who have."
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    I am totaly agree you need to fail a lot until you succed
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      I am totaly agree you need to fail a lot until you succed
      That's so ridiculous. Many people succeed without ever knowing failure. They are usually, educated, knowledgeable in what they're pursuing, well-organized, have a detailed plan, are well-funded, have realistic expectations and are willing to work diligently toward their goal.

      The only people who believe what you have stated are those looking for what might be considered a noble explanation for their continuing failures.

      What total rubbish.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        That's so ridiculous. Many people succeed without ever knowing failure. They are usually, educated, knowledgeable in what they're pursuing, well-organized, have a detailed plan, are well-funded, have realistic expectations and are willing to work diligently toward their goal.

        The only people who believe what you have stated are those looking for what might be considered a noble explanation for their continuing failures.

        What total rubbish.
        wise man learns from their failures .. geniuses learn from the failures of others ..or they are failing doing something no one has done..and testing for way to do it ..

        you don't want your accountant, the pilot of the airplane you are on, the surgeon doing routine surgery.. the architect who builds your home or the building you are in to fail .

        in any case there is a perspective and way to view these things where they acctually work .. and are usefull

        then there is a quote hose that is easily used to blow smoke up ones on ass ..because it feel better in some way ..

        an idiot makes mistakes that can easily be avoided.. with the slightest input from someone who has already made those mistakes and figure out how to do it correct
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          wise man learns from their failures .. geniuses learn from the failures of others ..or they are failing doing something no one has done..and testing for way to do it ..
          Agreed, but no one can say that failure is mandatory nor a normal part of doing any project. I've failed at some things and with others I've had reasonable success, right out of the chute - and, no - those past failures didn't help me succeed in a new venture as they were in a different genre with challenges and pitfalls unique unto themselves. A lot of success or failure has to do with what you choose and how well-equipped you are to do it.

          Beat you to that one, didn't I. :-)

          One thing though. My successes have been modest, but gratifying and their sum-total amounts to more successes than failures. While my failures may be fewer in number, they were all much more spectacular and life-changing than any single success I've ever had. The term, 'epic fail,' was created just for me. lol
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            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            Beat you to that one, didn't I. :-)

            Dude, if you keep beating that thing you will go blind.
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

              Dude, if you keep beating that thing you will go blind.
              If I haven't gone blind yet, this is fake news!
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

              Dude, if you keep beating that thing you will go blind.
              don't worry the one guy who did go blind doing that married the girl who's face stuck that way after making funny faces..

              can i slip in a dirty joke here ..

              Father catches his son doing that.. tells his son .."save it until marriage son .. "

              10 years later the sone is getting married and asks his father " dad i got three jars of the stuff now what "
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            Agreed, but no one can say that failure is mandatory nor a normal part of doing any project. I've failed at some things and with others I've had reasonable success, right out of the chute - and, no - those past failures didn't help me succeed in a new venture as they were in a different genre with challenges and pitfalls unique unto themselves. A lot of success or failure has to do with what you choose and how well-equipped you are to do it.

            Beat you to that one, didn't I. :-)
            we are in agreement ..the problem i have with the concept of over valuing failure .. is the lack of qualifying the scope of the failure ..

            no one learns to drive or fly a plane or sail a boat.. by crashing cars planes and sinking boats .. and then spend a year or more learning what to do when complications come up..

            there are plenty of things to learn without a process of painful failures ..now this may be common sense ..

            but for the things that might require failure to grow and improve .. it's called testing small. that is the healthy way to approach failure.. not being a fu#$% idiot and making huge mistake that could easily be avoided ..
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              it's called testing small.
              Sorry! I am NOT a piker!

              not being a fu#$% idiot
              I've been called worse. :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          wise man learns from their failures ... geniuses learn from the failures of others.
          I think to be a successful Person -- and definitely if you want to be a successful Entrepreneur -- then you have to learn from both. (It's not "either/or") Ideally, learning from others would be best however often that's not possible.

          (Just see the article I posted above for confirmation of that.)
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            I think to be a successful Person -- and definitely if you want to be a successful Entrepreneur -- then you have to learn from both. (It's not "either/or") Ideally, learning from others would be best however often that's not possible.

            (Just see the article I posted above for confirmation of that.)
            the article is a shitty article .. lets look at the famous bill gate example .. not only did Bill gate take a furlough from Harvard .. i believe he could have gone back ,, He left Harvard to start Microsoft ..

            and if you read Malcolm glad well .. and put any faith in the 10,000 hour thing.. by the time Gate left Harvard he already had that much time under his belt programming .. and running other small business ventures ..

            The whole story is important ..

            but who care about the whole story .. just pay attention to the stuff that makes you feel good.. and ignore the details that teach you what was really behind the success ..

            if anything the article is not about the need to fail to success .. but that just because someone may be failing now.. they can still turn it around .. Which many successfull people figured out.. but That doesn't mean you you should joyfully sail into the terrible life situations .. thinking that may be the only way to succeed
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
              Well I appreciate the advice, Odahh. And you're entitled to your opinion ... However everyone is different. And different People find different aspects of "success" helpful.

              Personally I thought it was a great article. What are People supposed to do when they "fail?" Just give up? Or learn something positive from it that will help them on their journey? Just a thought.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                Well I appreciate the advice, Odahh. And you're entitled to your opinion ... However everyone is different. And different People find different aspects of "success" helpful.

                Personally I thought it was a great article. What are People supposed to do when they "fail?" Just give up? Or learn something positive from it that will help them on their journey? Just a thought.
                We are not having the same discussion and i'm not giving advice ..

                Of course when failures happen learn what you can from them .. make the failure an event in your life not how you define your life ... But be very aware .. that it is not a good life policy to charge mindlessly into a situation that will most likely be a failure that can easily be avoided. thinking that the best way to learn..

                don't you a describer for a temporary condition.. as a way to describe yourself for life.. so they where not failures ..they went through times where they had failed..

                Life has kicked my ass many times . and the biggest lesson I have learned from that .. Is to stop needing life to kick my ass to have to learn something ..
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                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  We are not having the same discussion and i'm not giving advice ...
                  Fair enough. My intention with my original post is that "failure" is something People can learn from.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    Fair enough. My intention with my original post is that "failure" is something People can learn from.
                    I agree people can learn from failure .

                    I am also trying to point out that not all failure is equal and many should be avoided ..

                    undercooking chicken or pork and giving your family food poisoning.. is not a real good way to learn by failure ..when learning to cook ..when there are plenty of easy ways to learn to cook without risking getting people sick or killing them .. and yes you may burn stuff and cooks stuff that tastes bad ..

                    but a failur that makes people not want to ever eat your food again ..

                    and this is an example that has thousands of different stories ..

                    burning the eggs or ruining the meatloaf with to much sauce or over using one spice .. ok practical way of learning.. risking killing people from mishandling meat and lack of food safety preparation.. not a good way to learn by failing

                    there are many many things you can learn without failing or through learning from people who failed and failed then figure out the way that work then figured out how to teach others
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                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      burning the eggs or ruining the meatloaf with to much sauce or over using one spice
                      No hope for this person. If you can't learn to cook an egg, or make a meatloaf, before actually doing so, well . . . . .

                      Again, to reiterate my point. Failure is NOT something that is necessary in order to be successful. Only losers, looking for excuses, would ever believe that.

                      Of course, the world is full of losers - so, that explains people stating and parroting this garbage. lol
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                      No ― Good point. Thanks Odahh. That's where learning from others applies.

                      However as being an Entrepreneur is doesn't always happen like that. Sure you can learn from others however for (many?/most?) People they won't succeed on their first venture. And so they have to learn something from it to succeed.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                        No ― Good point. Thanks Odahh. That's where learning from others applies.

                        However as being an Entrepreneur is doesn't always happen like that. Sure you can learn from others however for (many?/most?) People they won't succeed on their first venture. And so they have to learn something from it to succeed.
                        there is enough out there to increase the chance of success with a venture ..

                        i pointed out bill gates from the article.. 1st point.. he could have gone back to harvard if Microsoft had failed. 2nd point he had already had thousands or maybe 10,000 hours programming computers under his belt .. and he had many smaller business venture or flips ..

                        I would rather increase my chances of success ..
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                        • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                          there is enough out there to increase the chance of success with a venture ..

                          i pointed out bill gates from the article.. 1st point.. he could have gone back to harvard if Microsoft had failed. 2nd point he had already had thousands or maybe 10,000 hours programming computers under his belt .. and he had many smaller business venture or flips ..

                          True. And when Bill made the Internet mistake he learned from it and continued his success with the browser, I.E., installed on all versions of Windows.



                          In his case he was already successful and leveraged other assets to overcome the failure. All about "leverage."



                          Sometimes it is not that a person fails as long as that person learns from the failure and how to do the right thing to avoid the same mistake. Just have to keep in mind that in our business today's mistake can be the right thing tomorrow.


                          Intel and AMD are good examples.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                          i pointed out bill gates from the article ... 1st point.. he could have gone back to harvard if Microsoft had failed. 2nd point he had already had thousands or maybe 10,000 hours programming computers under his belt .. and he had many smaller business venture or flips ...
                          Interesting. Many People see what they want to see rather than looking at something objectively.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                            Interesting. Many People see what they want to see rather than looking at something objectively.
                            in this case i am being objective ..you are seeing what you want to see .

                            I have had many failures ,..so i can tell you there are better ways to learn.. and i'll tear apart any half baked example to back up a fluffy sweet sounding idea//when the real story has far mor value ..

                            Blill Gate was never a Failure Einstein was never a failure ..Steve jobs got fired doesn't mean he was ever a failure .

                            We live in a toxic judgmental society .. that wants to look at how people are now ..or at a low point and try to predict how the rest of their lives will turn out.. try to tell them what to expect ..

                            the whole story .. or the stroy below the popular myth .. is usually far more valuable
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      I am totaly agree you need to fail a lot until you succed
      or just fail a lot until you learn failure sucks ..

      if failing means you your wife and kids are going to end up homeless ..

      Learn by failing when you are in a place the failure don't hurt much and only hurt you ..and if you are willing to work your way off the street if you end up penniless .

      If you are a guy and you are failing to get a girlfriend or keep one (and many younger men after success aredoing it to get woman ) here is how you learn from Failure.. figure out what you are doing .. then figure out what people with success are doing.. and stop doing the things the people with success are not doing.. and start doing more of what they are ..

      if you fail over and over again .. and expect the learning and growth to just happen .. what will just happen is alcoholism, drug addiction .. or what happens to people who know nothing but repeated failure ..

      trust me that sucks i have been their ..and was for a long time ..until you learn to win somewhere .. then live more and more places in your life .. and start winning bigger ..
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  • Profile picture of the author purdue512
    Well - The Lean Startup movement that has become popular over the last 10 years is based on the idea of "fail fast and cheap". The idea is that you can't learn without failure. And move VCs use this methodology heavily when making investment decisions.
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  • Way I see it, deal we got in a random Cosmos still packin' way too many frickin' imbeciles to warrant any kinda perfecto Nirvana gonna actschwlly happen ... is ... figurin' max benefit from the ride.

    Always there gonna be steps up an' setbacks, an' always these gonna be relative to evry other f*cker's steps up an' setbacks -- plus also our own idiosyncratic glories & klutzes past.

    Thing is, we happy or what?

    Or are we way too obsessed flingin' minuscule quoits at mile high steeples so 24/7 our muscles ain't even got powah to stop us fallin' in the gutter?

    So much here depends on pointa view.

    I seen people bounce back from direst calamity, like nuthin' evah happened.

    Meantime, plenty people inhabitin' the malls of our existence weave their own deathly perceptual cocoons merely by gazin' out on life's panorama in a way kinda enslaved fashion.

    That is why I endeavor always to figure gratooitous SMILIN' into my daily Yogic bendin' strattajeh.

    Was it Bill Gates said All elevation springs from stable points of rest?

    No, waitaminute -- that was Moi.

    Gates is the Jobs Antichrist guy, right?

    Ha!

    So much for frickin' failure when two entreprenoorial giants go head to head an' evrywan wins ... speshly on a forum existin' only in cybernoplaceville as the IRL world gears up for yet another pseudo a priori Christmas.

    AN' NOW ... THE KILLER QUESTION, FAILURE VARMINTS

    Has readin' my generous an' cogent reply to this post touched on your sense of FAILURE or YEAH ACTSCHWLLY THAT WAS SO KINDA SMART IMA GONNA PROSTRATE MYSELF YOGICALLY AN' GRIN MY TITS OFF?
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      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      Way I see it, deal we got in a random Cosmos still packin' way too many frickin' imbeciles to warrant any kinda perfecto Nirvana gonna actschwlly happen ... is ... figurin' max benefit from the ride.

      Always there gonna be steps up an' setbacks, an' always these gonna be relative to evry other f*cker's steps up an' setbacks -- plus also our own idiosyncratic glories & klutzes past.

      Thing is, we happy or what?

      Or are we way too obsessed flingin' minuscule quoits at mile high steeples so 24/7 our muscles ain't even got powah to stop us fallin' in the gutter?

      So much here depends on pointa view.

      I seen people bounce back from direst calamity, like nuthin' evah happened.

      Meantime, plenty people inhabitin' the malls of our existence weave their own deathly perceptual cocoons merely by gazin' out on life's panorama in a way kinda enslaved fashion.

      That is why I endeavor always to figure gratooitous SMILIN' into my daily Yogic bendin' strattajeh.

      Was it Bill Gates said All elevation springs from stable points of rest?

      No, waitaminute -- that was Moi.

      Gates is the Jobs Antichrist guy, right?

      Ha!

      So much for frickin' failure when two entreprenoorial giants go head to head an' evrywan wins ... speshly on a forum existin' only in cybernoplaceville as the IRL world gears up for yet another pseudo a priori Christmas.

      Can't argue with that .. well said!
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      AN' NOW ... THE KILLER QUESTION, FAILURE VARMINTS

      Has readin' my generous an' cogent reply to this post touched on your sense of FAILURE or YEAH ACTSCHWLLY THAT WAS SO KINDA SMART IMA GONNA PROSTRATE MYSELF YOGICALLY AN' GRIN MY TITS OFF?

      Pics please?
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  • FAIL is nothing more than your First Attempt In Learning. Each failure brings you one step close to success!
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      Originally Posted by InternetMarketingMadeEZ View Post

      FAIL is nothing more than your First Attempt In Learning. Each failure brings you one step close to success!
      The only problem is, you can fail repeatedly and still never succeed. There are no guarantees in life, or in business!
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        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        The only problem is, you can fail repeatedly and still never succeed. There are no guarantees in life, or in business!
        The other problem is if you are a dumb ass and never learn to avoid failures .. the next failure can always wipe out any success you have built ... so any success is only there until you piss it away on the next big failure ..

        the people who bough bitcoin at 20k .. or the bit connect near the top top ..and sunk their life saving in it or put it on credit cards or took out second mortgages . andd have either committed suicide in the last year ..or had their marriages end .. or what ever bad effects ..that they may never recover from ..if they are still alive .

        those are failures that over all are bad and should be avoided before one makes them ..
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          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          andd have either committed suicide in the last year
          This is a good thing. It's how we strengthen the gene pool.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by InternetMarketingMadeEZ View Post

      FAIL is nothing more than your First Attempt In Learning. Each failure brings you one step close to success!
      Cool. : ) Thanks: I haven't heard that one before however I think it's great. Thanks for contributing.
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  • Profile picture of the author James London
    The more you fail, the more you get back up. I have experienced a fall quite a few times over the years while battling with depression. Don't get me wrong, I have also had great accomplishments over the years as a renowned writer with the opportunity to write for some of the greatest minds in the industry. I recently traveled with tigers and worked at the fair just to try and revisit my mindset in hopes of getting myself back in the loop of things.

    Needless to say, the year didn't end as well as I thought it would. I ended up homeless, which I still am but only temporarily. I've been back in Tulsa for about 3 weeks, and now I'm fixing to sign for my office so that I can reconstruct my business. May not be in the best position right now, but I am on my way back up.

    Stay tuned, this one will be epic. ;-)
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      Originally Posted by James London View Post

      Needless to say, the year didn't end as well as I thought it would. I ended up homeless, which I still am but only temporarily. I've been back in Tulsa for about 3 weeks, and now I'm fixing to sign for my office so that I can reconstruct my business. May not be in the best position right now, but I am on my way back up.
      Keep at it, James. I'm a totally-disabled, combat-veteran and have been homeless, twice. Once, in Manhattan, which just might be the worst place in the world to be so.

      I'm 100% disabled with PTSD and bi-polar disorder, but have spent a lifetime learning to cope with these obstacles and in the end, to use them to maximum effect to achieve business success and a very comfortable lifestyle. The narcissistic personality disorder I failed to previously mention is the character trait that is most responsible for overcoming the other two. "You go to war with the army you've got!"

      I can't promise you that things will get better, but I can assure you that it is possible to turn chicken shit into chicken salad (for lack of some b******t, new-age, touchy-feely platitude which run rampant, here). There are no secrets, no books, no courses, no talks, no bumper-sticker slogans, no meaningless input from people with no experience and - more than likely, no medication that is going to magically turn your life around. Everyone's path back is different and comprised of a combination of various things that over time come to make a difference in how you feel, act and view the future.

      In the end, it will all come down to the level of 'fight' that you have within you. When you are at your closest to totally giving-up is when you will have to reach deep-down, inside yourself for just one more sustained effort at pulling yourself back from the brink.

      Please be aware that this is the most difficult time of the year for people with these issues. Depending on your safety-net of family, friends and medical professionals you need to be extra vigilant to get through the next month without falling backwards. Be aware, too, that family and friends can be a double-edged sword and oftentimes can bring more pain than happiness, so don't look to others to be part of your recovery. That rarely holds true, I'm sorry to say.

      I wish you much strength on your road to recovery. Keep the faith. You CAN do it. If I was able to, I assure you that almost anyone can.

      Cheers.
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      • Profile picture of the author James London
        Thanks for the great words at such a time, it really hit home with me. I have been through this cycle and got back up before only to let myself get sucked back in. Hey, it happens to the best of us!

        I have my own inner battles that I deal with as well. The main thing is putting that in check to get work done. As far as magical courses, books, etc...trust me I know, because I write those rather than buy them. Yes, I know, it may not be the best project I could take on but it's a great way to subsidize my other growths if need be. As of right now though, was just saying it as a frame of speech.

        New York doesn't seem like the ideal place to have to pick yourself back up, but I haven't only done this in Tulsa...I also did it in Seattle as I was stuck there with no ID. Just willpower and a library card to use the computer. Truth is, these things happen. It is our response to the battle that determines who truly gets the victory in the end.

        I had 1 person that truly stood there and gave me a kick in the butt so to speak. She told me what she knows I'm capable of, reminded me of my past accomplishments online. Told me I don't need to worry about anything else but that. And that's where the thinking really started. It's time to reach deep, grab life by the nuts, and show it who's really got the upper hand. This conversation is what also led to seeking out an office just a few days later. The time for reconstruction has arrived, and it allows me to take on my ventures and structure them just the way I needed to do from the beginning.

        I love your attitude and your story, we're definitely going to have to stay in touch. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author chuckholmes
    Every successful person I've know has failed several times before ultimately succeeding. There's always the story behind the story. You have to pay your dues and learn. The best way to learn is to fail. The best way to succeed is to fail, make adjustments and keep going.
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    • Profile picture of the author James London
      Indeed it is the only way. I'm not ashamed of the failures as they've strengthened me and each time it taught me to do things better by embracing opportunities to change that I didn't see before due to the cloudiness.
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        Originally Posted by James London View Post

        Indeed it is the only way. I'm not ashamed of the failures as they've strengthened me and each time it taught me to do things better by embracing opportunities to change that I didn't see before due to the cloudiness.
        That is 100% the right attitude. In the professional circles I work in, the scientist call that "Growth Mindset". There is significant data that shows people with attitude achieve much more in life.
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          Originally Posted by purdue512 View Post

          There is significant data that shows people with attitude achieve much more in life.
          I guess that depends on the attitude.
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      Originally Posted by navagreo View Post

      Success is no accident. It is hard work, perseverance, learning, studying, sacrifice and most of all, love of what you are doing or learning to do. -Pele
      "What's love got to do with it?" - Tina Turner

      Nice try on the cloaked link. Reported as SPAM.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by navagreo View Post

    Success is no accident. It is hard work, perseverance, learning, studying, sacrifice and most of all, love of what you are doing or learning to do. -Pele
    Love of what l am doing, lol, well barring the cloaked link thing, that is a pretty naive remark.

    There are other factors far more motivating than doing it for the love of the action.

    "Wanting something better", and "have no other option", are pretty strong motivators as well.

    Although what is the worst that can happen with Ceramics,......the mold l am making springs a leak and plaster pours all over the tiles, (that happened once, and it was a big cleanup, but not the end of the world).

    Stockmarket pick the wrong one, and lose some money, after about 9 months of learning and applying.

    Which isn't the end of the world either, eventhough it sucks, and eventhough a small percentage is leaving you in the dust.

    But with no other option, you keep going, and learning, and trying, even if the outlook is squealing pigs drowning in mud.


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    "What's love got to do with it?" - Tina Turner

    Nice try on the cloaked link. Reported as SPAM.
    And some love spam to sell their s**t, and l love to remove it, and ban them for life, but that is just me.

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      And some love spam to sell their s**t, and l love to remove it, and ban them for life, but that is just me.
      Oh, how I envy you, your unbridled power. lol
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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      And some love spam to sell their s**t, and l love to remove it, and ban them for life, but that is just me.


      Shane; Please...Buddy...I'm telling you for your own good.

      Stop telling us about your power to delete and ban people. Honest to God, it just makes people dislike you. Even if you are joking, please stop.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Shane; Please...Buddy...I'm telling you for your own good.

        Stop telling us about your power to delete and ban people. Honest to God, it just makes people dislike you. Even if you are joking, please stop.
        Ok, Claude but you are taking it out of context, l did say Spammers.

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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Love of what l am doing, lol, well barring the cloaked link thing, that is a pretty naive remark.

      There are other factors far more motivating than doing it for the love of the action.

      "Wanting something better", and "have no other option", are pretty strong motivators as well.

      Although what is the worst that can happen with Ceramics,......the mold l am making springs a leak and plaster pours all over the tiles, (that happened once, and it was a big cleanup, but not the end of the world).

      Stockmarket pick the wrong one, and lose some money, after about 9 months of learning and applying.

      Which isn't the end of the world either, eventhough it sucks, and eventhough a small percentage is leaving you in the dust.

      But with no other option, you keep going, and learning, and trying, even if the outlook is squealing pigs drowning in mud.



      ok .. wait a second.. so are you saying that you feel you have no other option at this point but to learn to succeed in stock market trading ..

      that is called desperation ..that gets people to invest their life saving in bit coin or the next new thing .. because they feel there is no other option . to get what they want or to have better. or buy lottery tickets ..try to sue people for stupid crap.. and do a lot of real dumb crap ..

      it's not that nice guys finish last.. most of the time losers just keep losing ..in all areas of life ..

      so stop losing and start starting wins

      desperation may work for some people but the ones who get into big trouble..don't write books and get forgotten .

      or gewt people stuck in jobs they hate.."I have no other choice" ..I got piles of debt from buying the better things.. or the 6 figures in student loan debt..and the big problem right now.. the people with all three .. stuck in job because they have high consumer and college debt
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        ok .. wait a second.. so are you saying that you feel you have no other option at this point but to learn to succeed in stock market trading ..

        that is called desperation ..that gets people to invest their life saving in bit coin or the next new thing .. because they feel there is no other option . to get what they want or to have better. or buy lottery tickets ..try to sue people for stupid crap.. and do a lot of real dumb crap ..

        it's not that nice guys finish last.. most of the time losers just keep losing ..in all areas of life ..

        so stop losing and start starting wins

        desperation may work for some people but the ones who get into big trouble..don't write books and get forgotten .

        or gewt people stuck in jobs they hate.."I have no other choice" ..I got piles of debt from buying the better things.. or the 6 figures in student loan debt..and the big problem right now.. the people with all three .. stuck in job because they have high consumer and college debt
        Well, yeeeeesss, but...

        I agree, and l know the dimwit couple that put 300k of their life savings into a duplex, in Malabu, near a beach somewhere, is becoming a cliche.

        But these are people spending their whole lives doing one thing, then that stops, and they, (with zero experience, apart from a brochure and a high pressure salesmans advise) take a giant leap, and land on the rocks.

        So you are defining a desperate act as someone with zero experience taking a giant gamble, which l agree with.

        My definition is, someone who has been at it for almost a year, and has shown promising results, but the latest bear party has rattled his cage too much. But knows from stastics 10% are doing much better.

        In other words if things get rough, and l know some are doing well, most of the time, then l need to figure that part out, and keep going.

        The stockmarket is usually a pretty level, or virtually anyone can get in on it, and start with what they have, and they can also learn for free, how to raise their competency levels.

        So no, not desperate for me, putting it all on red, or black is a desperate act, and a very stupid one at that, considering that their are other safer options.

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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          [QUOTE=tagiscom;11468544

          In other words if things get rough, and l know some are doing well, most of the time, then l need to figure that part out, and keep going.

          The stockmarket is usually a pretty level, or virtually anyone can get in on it, and start with what they have, and they can also learn for free, how to raise their competency levels.

          So no, not desperate for me, putting it all on red, or black is a desperate act, and a very stupid one at that, considering that their are other safer options.

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          learning while taking real money loses is not free .. and paper trading might give you an idea what you may do.. but it may not have real validity when real money is involved ..

          as long as your real business or thing you do to make money pays the bills.. have fun with the stock market and day trading ..or swing trading ..whatever you are doing.. but remember it's a game where you can wipe out 5 years of gain in a few hours .and you have no control over anything ..and no way to improve effect the value of a stock ..unlike quite a few who make the most money ..ceo's , politicians and venture capitalists ..

          but if it is your entertainment besides searching conspiracy forums .. then fine if yo have the money to play with ..

          entertaining and exciting experiences are many time more valuable than "the good things " if those good things are not really must haves in your life ..and if at the heart of why you are doing it.. is that it is somewhat exciting or personally entertaining..and something easy enough to explain what ou are doing to most people with basic comprehension skills ..

          than great on ya have fun .

          in any case it is better on a personal scale..to not care about the fraction of the people who make the most money .. if you are not playing with the large amount of money ..the hundreds of thousands or the millions .they are working with after they build the skills over years ..

          Play the game so you can stack wins ..instead of seemingly being in the losing position if you can't be in the top 10 0r top 1 percent or top .1 percent and you don't really need to be .

          adding this later ..Shane what happens if the stock trading thing never makes you rich.. but as long as your bills are paid from your flyer business.. the day trading provides entertainment and a bit of excitement for several hours a day 5 or more days a week ..and at some point sustains itself ..and you can do it the rest of your life or the nextt 20-30 years and stay interested

          is that failure ..is that success ..we are after the stuff..the good things the piles of riches ..in part because we believe we can have a much better experience or exciting experience with more money ..what if we hack life and just learn to have better more exciting experiences in life ..day to day at a long term sustainable pace ..

          however that applies to us ..
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            learning while taking real money loses is not free .. and paper trading might give you an idea what you may do.. but it may not have real validity when real money is involved ..

            as long as your real business or thing you do to make money pays the bills.. have fun with the stock market and day trading ..or swing trading ..whatever you are doing.. but remember it's a game where you can wipe out 5 years of gain in a few hours .and you have no control over anything ..and no way to improve effect the value of a stock ..unlike quite a few who make the most money ..ceo's , politicians and venture capitalists ..
            No, paper trading doesn't do it for me, and l read about several members on the stockmarket forum who do and keep making this and that, but when they take the plunge, they initially get clobbered before getting a handle on it.

            5 years gains? No, l tend to stay with a small number of ETF's that l understand, or know beforehand with the 180day chart what the worst result could be.

            but if it is your entertainment besides searching conspiracy forums .. then fine if yo have the money to play with ..

            entertaining and exciting experiences are many time more valuable than "the good things " if those good things are not really must haves in your life ..and if at the heart of why you are doing it.. is that it is somewhat exciting or personally entertaining..and something easy enough to explain what ou are doing to most people with basic comprehension skills ..

            than great on ya have fun .
            Yeeeee's.

            in any case it is better on a personal scale..to not care about the fraction of the people who make the most money .. if you are not playing with the large amount of money ..the hundreds of thousands or the millions .they are working with after they build the skills over years ..

            Play the game so you can stack wins ..instead of seemingly being in the losing position if you can't be in the top 10 0r top 1 percent or top .1 percent and you don't really need to be .

            adding this later ..Shane what happens if the stock trading thing never makes you rich.. but as long as your bills are paid from your flyer business.. the day trading provides entertainment and a bit of excitement for several hours a day 5 or more days a week ..and at some point sustains itself ..and you can do it the rest of your life or the nextt 20-30 years and stay interested

            is that failure ..is that success ..we are after the stuff..the good things the piles of riches ..in part because we believe we can have a much better experience or exciting experience with more money ..what if we hack life and just learn to have better more exciting experiences in life ..day to day at a long term sustainable pace ..

            however that applies to us ..
            Yes, true some of the top percenters may be throwing money or a Tweet about to affect P/E, but l tend to think that skill and other traits are involved.

            Sure some could say that it may not work, and others will disagree, when l started the Stockmarket idea, 9 months ago, l was determined to make it work, since l had few options left.

            9 Months later l am seeing good enough results to keep going, so l believe that l can make this profitable.

            And that doesn't mean l take dumb risks to get ahead, l take calculated risks based upon 1 day up to all time charts, where the ema is, whether it is above the middle vew-opp or middle sma lines, whether an earnings report will affect the opening call, and premarket trends, whether T, (you know) will affect it, and plenty of other variables, including worst case scenario and how much am l prepared to lose.

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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              And that doesn't mean l take dumb risks to get ahead, l take calculated risks based upon 1 day up to all time charts, where the ema is, whether it is above the middle vew-opp or middle sma lines, whether an earnings report will affect the opening call, and premarket trends, whether T, (you know) will affect it, and plenty of other variables, including worst case scenario and how much am l prepared to lose.

              i still will say part of why you are doing it is it is something you can talk about to other people and not have them look at you like you should be on some good meds .. even if people don't really care what you are telling them.. haha

              anyway it can be 10-20 years before the market hits 26 ,000 again ..unless we are not on planet eath anymore and the economy can just grow without recession and the stock market can keep rising indefinitely ..look at the chart over the last hundred years ..
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                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                i still will say part of why you are doing it is it is something you can talk about to other people and not have them look at you like you should be on some good meds .. even if people don't really care what you are telling them.. haha

                anyway it can be 10-20 years before the market hits 26 ,000 again ..unless we are not on planet eath anymore and the economy can just grow without recession and the stock market can keep rising indefinitely ..look at the chart over the last hundred years ..

                I got shotgun Odahh
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                • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                  Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

                  I got shotgun Odahh
                  Thank you tank you ..but you are to much like my dad so you will need to be blindfolded so you don't complain about how i drive every 15-30 seconds ..blah .. that wouldn't have worked .. he complained how i hit the gas or weather i sped up or slowed down fast enough ..
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                    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                    Thank you tank you ..but you are to much like my dad so you will need to be blindfolded so you don't complain about how i drive every 15-30 seconds ..blah .. that wouldn't have worked .. he complained how i hit the gas or weather i sped up or slowed down fast enough ..
                    Promises, promises lol
                    Reminds me of when I taught my son how to drive. Son, I said, drive as fast or slow as you want to keeping in mind the safety of others and more importantly yourself. Now, I am going to teach the how to pickup cuties.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

                      Promises, promises lol
                      Reminds me of when I taught my son how to drive. Son, I said, drive as fast or slow as you want to keeping in mind the safety of others and more importantly yourself. Now, I am going to teach the how to pickup cuties.
                      get him to get a passport and travel .. haha
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                i still will say part of why you are doing it is it is something you can talk about to other people and not have them look at you like you should be on some good meds .. even if people don't really care what you are telling them.. haha

                anyway it can be 10-20 years before the market hits 26 ,000 again ..unless we are not on planet eath anymore and the economy can just grow without recession and the stock market can keep rising indefinitely ..look at the chart over the last hundred years ..
                True, individuals who see the obvious and are still in denial, don't need meds!
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    Failure is an idea (conceptualism) frowned upon by free thinkers.
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    I was hapless, receiving the pitiful humanoid indoctrination imposed by the social dogma.


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