I find University/School to be a waste of time, therefore I want to drop out. RECOMMENDATIONS?

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Hello, I am currently 18 years old and a freshman at University. I find University/School to be a waste of time as I can learn whatever is taught in class in books. Eventhough I find it to be a waste of time I still attend because I don't have any passion that I'm striving for. I still enjoy the networking part of school, I find it to be the most interesting thing. I would say I am above in discipline, as I don't use: social media, watch netflix, avoid play tons of video games, waste too much of my time. I am already walking a path that can lead me to a great future by reading books and taking action ( I have noticed great results ), socializing, meditation, cold showers once in a while, practicing semen retention, etc. I still however have my flaws as I do enjoy eating junk food, get side tracked by YouTube, lacking it on the gym ( 130 lb & 5'8 ), smoke weed, play games rarely. I want to drop out of University and quit my job at Subway so I won't waste my time on these 2 factors, as I can be using my time more wisely. This has become habitual for my, constantly wanting to improve myself even if I have those dark days, it is hard to keep up . ( We all have them, its a part of life ) I also have $11,000 saved up, ready to invest into something, I was thinking of saving more to have a sustainable living at an apartment to get out of my nest, the shell I've comfortably lived 18 years in. I am extremely grateful for the life I have been living, as it's amazing to be going through unexpected experiences. Life has it's great moments. I got an opportunity to go to a work sample, by Tai Lopez but they never responded back I thought it was a great chance but oh well. I find opportunities to be like long buses, an opportunity coming every once in a while. I just basically wrote down my current present life subconsciously, lol. Any recommendations on how I can generate an income high enough that will allow me to quit my job an drop out of school to work on greater things? I appreciate every comment that will be given.
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  • Profile picture of the author brute77
    My 2 cents..

    1. Yes while it is right that universities & schools do no provide one with the foundation to be 'successful' as many of the greats have not only achieved greatness without - there are also many who went onto achieve greatness in fields away from there field they studied in. Moreover, with the rapidly changing life, automation, invention - it could be an unending debate whether traditional academics is still the way forward for this generation of people.

    However academics has it's own importance - specially if one is looking to succeed as a technical professional - though I think the duration of courses should be dramatically shortened.

    Advice:

    1. Follow your fascinations till you find your obsession

    Think in terms of knowledge and not in terms of education. Use the internet to learn as much as you can in subjects that you are naturally drawn to - ultimately life will unfold itself and the path will be revealed, till then the best course of action is always to "follow your fascination". Forget passion - it's an overused word with no real meaning anymore, we all have passion(s) and interests and causes we want to pursue, but lately I've realised that it is wiser to follow your curiosity till you find something that you're obsessed with.

    2. Self-discovery is your only pursuit at this point

    As you go along in life, instead of getting influenced by so called "successful" people that are celebrated in media - find people in real life that inspires you. It could be someone ordinary.. a teacher,.. a nurse.. a community leader, your uncle, aunt.. give their stories as much importance as you would give any of the popular actors, sports person. Have a balanced view on life - as start defining your values and happiness quotients so to speak.

    Start being aware of this journey as a journey in 'Self discovery'. Keep learning more about yourself - your likes, dislikes, gifts, short comings, what inspires you - the more you indulge in observing your own self - you'll be better positioned to choose the right career, the right partner, the right projects and so on..

    ( I highly recommend you read the book 'Mastery by Robert Greene' - or watch it's videos on Youtube. )

    Additionally, you can watch this video..



    About investing the $11,000.

    Well, there are many ways to go about this - you can always save up more - as having a bigger chunk helps are buy/start something more substantial however $11,000 is enough in today's world to start something meaningful.


    Here's what I would have done with $11K.

    Start an online business. Find a 'Problem.. a Niche.." that you personally have a deep inclination in, something that you would love to spend your time in dealing with it's customers or audiences. Don't just think in terms of ROI - think in terms of being able to passionately build something that you'll be proud of and then monetise it. Try and start something that not only bring in revenue but also exemplifies your identity going forward. I like to say 'Build something you'll be proud of'.

    You can always monetise it through blogging, e-com, affiliate sales, sponsorships, products & services.

    I wish you all the luck - you already have a lot going for you. Don't try and find definitive answers - as there ain't any, what works for others may not work for you and vice versa.

    The world is open for your expression .. learn and observe what others are doing and then do your own thing in your own signature style.

    Not sure if any of this made any sense.. I just wrote whatever I felt at one go.. maybe will edit this post if there's any interest.
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    • Profile picture of the author andreew13
      Thank you for the wisdom! I will try to find someone I get inspired by in person, not just on the internet. Thanks for the video, I will be listening to it as a podcast! Thank you for the post.

      An extremely well thought out post, thank you. I am trying more ways to make more money. Thank you for the wisdom.

      Thank you!
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by andreew13 View Post

        Thank you for the wisdom! I will try to find someone I get inspired by in person, not just on the internet. Thanks for the video, I will be listening to it as a podcast! Thank you for the post.

        An extremely well thought out post, thank you. I am trying more ways to make more money. Thank you for the wisdom.

        Thank you!
        You will do yourself a favor, if you go the SubForum here, THE WARRIOR PATH and read every post in the Savidge4 thread, $40 to $250 in 30 days.

        Does anyone buy anything on Campus? Is there student housing? When many graduate, they throw out their stuff, or curb it.

        But if you open your eyes, you will see all kinds of opportunities to learn something in the classroom, and make a ton of money outside of it, right on campus. Someone selling a bike? Textbooks? Shoes?

        How about phones? Computers, laptops, GAMES? Any frat and sororities around?

        Don't see students, SEE the marketplace. Buyers and SELLERS. You start now, and do what Savidge4 and his son did. Buy stuff and sell it for a profit. Do this routinely and turn that 11k into 22 ASAP. How about the Subway workers? And places near by? Post a small sign on bulleting boards. I'M BUYING. See what comes up.

        Do as Savidge4 did, and post an hour or two a day at eBay. Search Craigslist. Facebook marketplace. FIND stuff, flip it.

        Put that 11k to work making you money now, maybe slowly at first, but once you see how much stuff is out there, man oh man, you're going to love going to Uni. A cash cow at your fingertips,

        Good luck.

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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by andreew13 View Post

    Hello, I am currently 18 years old and a freshman at University. I find University/School to be a waste of time as I can learn whatever is taught in class in books. Eventhough I find it to be a waste of time I still attend because I don't have any passion that I'm striving for. I still enjoy the networking part of school, I find it to be the most interesting thing. I would say I am above in discipline, as I don't use: social media, watch netflix, avoid play tons of video games, waste too much of my time. I am already walking a path that can lead me to a great future by reading books and taking action ( I have noticed great results ), socializing, meditation, cold showers once in a while, practicing semen retention, etc. I still however have my flaws as I do enjoy eating junk food, get side tracked by YouTube, lacking it on the gym ( 130 lb & 5'8 ), smoke weed, play games rarely. I want to drop out of University and quit my job at Subway so I won't waste my time on these 2 factors, as I can be using my time more wisely. This has become habitual for my, constantly wanting to improve myself even if I have those dark days, it is hard to keep up . ( We all have them, its a part of life ) I also have $11,000 saved up, ready to invest into something, I was thinking of saving more to have a sustainable living at an apartment to get out of my nest, the shell I've comfortably lived 18 years in. I am extremely grateful for the life I have been living, as it's amazing to be going through unexpected experiences. Life has it's great moments. I got an opportunity to go to a work sample, by Tai Lopez but they never responded back I thought it was a great chance but oh well. I find opportunities to be like long buses, an opportunity coming every once in a while. I just basically wrote down my current present life subconsciously, lol. Any recommendations on how I can generate an income high enough that will allow me to quit my job an drop out of school to work on greater things? I appreciate every comment that will be given.
    You are 18 years old. I remember being 18 years old. But I was 18 years old for an entire year. And I know something you do not. I know what it's like to be 19 year old...and 20..and so on to 64.

    And so I tell you this with certainty. Don't drop out of school. Getting a degree may help you get a far better job. But it does so much more...

    It makes you interesting. You can talk about lots of subjects without sounding like a fool. You gain social skills that you'll use the rest of your life. And finishing school gives you the knowledge that you can finish something that you start. You'll need that confidence later in life.

    And your $11,000? Keep it. Don't invest it in a business. Save it for a home when you get married (or whenever you decide to buy a home).

    At your age and level of experience, you'll lose that money. There is a 100% certainty of that. There isn't an online money making idea that can't be fully tested...and generating a profit...that takes more than $100.

    Don't borrow money to start a business, and don't invest your savings. Learn a business from someone who is already making money in it. Work for them and get paid. In a year, you'll know enough to start your own business and guarantee to start with a profit.

    Anyone here that tells you to start a business with them, is only interested in taking your money.

    If you want to start a real business, that generates a real income, start small and build..re-investing your profits. By not blowing your whole savings on an idea, you build the skills needed to make a business profitable.

    I speak from real experience. You are just at the beginning of your adventure. Don't make it full of mistakes that cost you real money.
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    • Profile picture of the author brute77
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      You are 18 years old. I remember being 18 years old. But I was 18 years old for an entire year. And I know something you do not. I know what it's like to be 19 year old...and 20..and so on to 64.

      And so I tell you this with certainty. Don't drop out of school. Getting a degree may help you get a far better job. But it does so much more...

      It makes you interesting. You can talk about lots of subjects without sounding like a fool. You gain social skills that you'll use the rest of your life. And finishing school gives you the knowledge that you can finish something that you start. You'll need that confidence later in life.

      And your $11,000? Keep it. Don't invest it in a business. Save it for a home when you get married (or whenever you decide to buy a home).

      At your age and level of experience, you'll lose that money. There is a 100% certainty of that. There isn't an online money making idea that can't be fully tested...and generating a profit...that takes more than $100.

      Don't borrow money to start a business, and don't invest your savings. Learn a business from someone who is already making money in it. Work for them and get paid. In a year, you'll know enough to start your own business and guarantee to start with a profit.

      Anyone here that tells you to start a business with them, is only interested in taking your money.

      If you want to start a real business, that generates a real income, start small and build..re-investing your profits. By not blowing your whole savings on an idea, you build the skills needed to make a business profitable.

      I speak from real experience. You are just at the beginning of your adventure. Don't make it full of mistakes that cost you real money.
      These are all great advice if you do-not want to be an entrepreneur.

      - Get the degree which might help you get a better job
      - Start saving for a home at the age of 18
      - Don't borrow, don't invest your savings
      - Don't start a business, learn by being in someone else's

      These advices are complete opposite of what an entrepreneur is. If you're starting to save up for a home from the age of 18 - you don't have much of an entrepreneurial career to begin with. This is the most domesticated view of life one can have.

      Also, we tend to forget, 18 yr olds are changing the world these days - no doubt you need experience by your side, for which you can build a team of people & advisors, but even at 18 you can start taking decisive actions towards having an impact which would have been impossible just 20 years back.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by brute77 View Post

        These are all great advice if you do-not want to be an entrepreneur.

        - Get the degree which might help you get a better job
        - Start saving for a home at the age of 18
        - Don't borrow, don't invest your savings
        - Don't start a business, learn by being in someone else's

        These advices are complete opposite of what an entrepreneur is. If you're starting to save up for a home from the age of 18 - you don't have much of an entrepreneurial career to begin with. This is the most domesticated view of life one can have.

        Also, we tend to forget, 18 yr olds are changing the world these days - no doubt you need experience by your side, for which you can build a team of people & advisors, but even at 18 you can start taking decisive actions towards having an impact which would have been impossible just 20 years back.
        Dear person who does not know me at all;

        You are young. Probably in your early 20s...or younger.

        Except for a couple of jobs in my late teens, I've always owned my own business. I have for several decades.

        The advice I was giving was to save the original poster from making the mistakes that nearly all very young entrepreneurs make....the mistakes that cost them everything.

        Any business can be started with almost no investment at the beginning. It is that "starting from scratch" that makes an entrepreneur. Anyone can start a business by simply plowing money in...and then losing it. The learning is what's important.

        The problem with starting a business without any experience is that literally everything you do is wrong. And those mistakes cost money. It's why the majority of new businesses fail the first year.

        I want this young man to be an entrepreneur. But I also want him to be a successful one. And success is building on the experience of others.

        For every 18 year old that changes the world, there are hundreds of thousands that just lose all their money, and give up. I'm trying to prevent that.

        And you listed;
        " Don't start a business, learn by being in someone else's".

        I meant learn from someone else first, so that the business you start won't crash and burn. Six months is enough. Learn how the business is run, how it makes a profit, the mistakes to avoid, and most importantly...whether you would actually like the business once you started it.

        Then, when you start on your own, you can hit the ground running, and be profitable from the beginning.

        If you would actually have done this in your life, you would know the value.

        Learn from people who have actually done...what you want to do.


        Originally Posted by Irwantolim View Post

        Money that you saved up, first use it to educate yourself, you can find a mentor, coach, and pay them so you can learn from their experience since you have no experience in this space.
        Useful advice.

        But there is a difference between a mentor that you pay, and one that pays you as you learn. It's called an employer. You don't need to spend money as you learn, you can earn money as you learn.

        Some people feel better paying a mentor, rather than working for one. I was a mentor for years. I charged for my time and gave great advice. But there was nothing they learned from me, for a fee, that they couldn't have learned if I was paying them as an employee...actually doing the work that I'm teaching them.

        I know I'm in the wrong section. But I see a young guppy that is swimming with sharks, and the sharks are saying "follow me".
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        • Profile picture of the author brute77
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Dear person who does not know me at all;

          You are young. Probably in your early 20s...or younger.

          Except for a couple of jobs in my late teens, I've always owned my own business. I have for several decades.

          The advice I was giving was to save the original poster from making the mistakes that nearly all very young entrepreneurs make....the mistakes that cost them everything.

          Any business can be started with almost no investment at the beginning. It is that "starting from scratch" that makes an entrepreneur. Anyone can start a business by simply plowing money in...and then losing it. The learning is what's important.

          The problem with starting a business without any experience is that literally everything you do is wrong. And those mistakes cost money. It's why the majority of new businesses fail the first year.

          I want this young man to be an entrepreneur. But I also want him to be a successful one. And success is building on the experience of others.

          For every 18 year old that changes the world, there are hundreds of thousands that just lose all their money, and give up. I'm trying to prevent that.

          And you listed;
          " Don't start a business, learn by being in someone else's".

          I meant learn from someone else first, so that the business you start won't crash and burn. Six months is enough. Learn how the business is run, how it makes a profit, the mistakes to avoid, and most importantly...whether you would actually like the business once you started it.

          Then, when you start on your own, you can hit the ground running, and be profitable from the beginning.

          If you would actually have done this in your life, you would know the value.

          Learn from people who have actually done...what you want to do.
          I know you've been an entrepreneur yourself and the advice is credible - as indeed young people will run into making mistakes which might cost them years.

          But making mistakes is the only way you learn - there's no avoiding it. Business is about risks - so no matter which phase of your learning curve you're you're trying reach a level which requires more experience and skills - so you're always being under prepared for the goals you're chasing.

          What I strongly dis agreed on your advice was the fact - that one needs to take the approach of "I'm here to win" .. instead of "do everything to not lose" .. saving up for a house at 18, studying to have a backup for a better job.. these are just other ways to say you're going to fail, you might as well prepare for it.

          These are all solid credible advice - but personally I feel - it's simply not the way an entrepreneur behaves.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by brute77 View Post

            What I strongly dis agreed on your advice was the fact - that one needs to take the approach of "I'm here to win" .. instead of "do everything to not lose" .. saving up for a house at 18, studying to have a backup for a better job.. these are just other ways to say you're going to fail, you might as well prepare for it.

            First, good post.
            Either I didn't communicate well, or you misunderstood what I said, so....

            The university degree isn't a backup plan. I said "Getting a degree may help you get a far better job. But it does so much more..."

            My intent was to point out that most people just want a better job, but for an entrepreneur it offers so much more. It isn't the degree you get, it's what it takes to get the degree...

            It takes work, follow through, concentration, study...these are attributes that help any entrepreneur. An advanced education makes you more socially adept, a better communicator. Most of it is the time spent at the university, not the degree itself.

            "I'm here to win" .. instead of "do everything to not lose"

            Of course be there to win. But first you have to know the rules, how the game is played. What has worked in the past, and what has never worked.

            My statement about spending 6 months learning how to do a business by working in one? Six months is nothing.

            And half of fighting is not getting hit. Sure, be there to win, but don't start blind.

            The reason I said to spend the money on a home instead of in a new business...is that it doesn't take much money to start a new business. And one of the only sure ways to not lose the money you have, is to invest in your own home.

            And having money set aside allows you to take more risks, not with your money, but with your time and efforts.

            This isn't an "Either-Or" proposition. You can own a home and start a profitable business. And "Do everything not to lose" isn't what I'm suggesting. You can't foresee every mistake you could make. But you can avoid the crippling ones. Mistakes will still be made. Always. But these mistakes don't have to kill your business..and your attitude.

            It's better to start a business with every advantage you can.
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Learning to write with paragraphs....
            Made me laugh.
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


              The reason I said to spend the money on a home instead of in a new business...is that it doesn't take much money to start a new business. And one of the only sure ways to not lose the money you have, is to invest in your own home.

              And having money set aside allows you to take more risks, not with your money, but with your time and efforts.

              This isn't an "Either-Or" proposition. You can own a home and start a profitable business. And "Do everything not to lose" isn't what I'm suggesting. You can't foresee every mistake you could make. But you can avoid the crippling ones. Mistakes will still be made. Always. But these mistakes don't have to kill your business..and your attitude.

              It's better to start a business with every advantage you can.


              Made me laugh.
              if you plan to live in the home and buy a home not expecting to sell it for a profit in the future .. but for a place to live that brring peace of mind..If you buy a home that you pay for in cash.. and don't have to pay a mortgage.. and only pay for property taxes ..

              you invest in a type of freedom and peace of mind
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Originally Posted by andreew13 View Post

    Hello, I am currently 18 years old and a freshman at University. I find University/School to be a waste of time as I can learn whatever is taught in class in books. Eventhough I find it to be a waste of time I still attend because I don't have any passion that I'm striving for. I still enjoy the networking part of school, I find it to be the most interesting thing. I would say I am above in discipline, as I don't use: social media, watch netflix, avoid play tons of video games, waste too much of my time. I am already walking a path that can lead me to a great future by reading books and taking action ( I have noticed great results ), socializing, meditation, cold showers once in a while, practicing semen retention, etc. I still however have my flaws as I do enjoy eating junk food, get side tracked by YouTube, lacking it on the gym ( 130 lb & 5'8 ), smoke weed, play games rarely. I want to drop out of University and quit my job at Subway so I won't waste my time on these 2 factors, as I can be using my time more wisely. This has become habitual for my, constantly wanting to improve myself even if I have those dark days, it is hard to keep up . ( We all have them, its a part of life ) I also have $11,000 saved up, ready to invest into something, I was thinking of saving more to have a sustainable living at an apartment to get out of my nest, the shell I've comfortably lived 18 years in. I am extremely grateful for the life I have been living, as it's amazing to be going through unexpected experiences. Life has it's great moments. I got an opportunity to go to a work sample, by Tai Lopez but they never responded back I thought it was a great chance but oh well. I find opportunities to be like long buses, an opportunity coming every once in a while. I just basically wrote down my current present life subconsciously, lol. Any recommendations on how I can generate an income high enough that will allow me to quit my job an drop out of school to work on greater things? I appreciate every comment that will be given.
    If you are not taking on debt to go to university.. keep going..a degree acts as a sorting mechanism for employment and more and more dating ..well educated woman tend not to marry uneducated men ..

    any stories you hear of people who drop out of college to start or run businesses and become rich.. those people or those men .. had businesses up and running and had built skills in sales .. or some technical field with income potential..if the business didn't work ..

    and having 11,000 saved up in the bank at your age puts you in the 1 percent of 18 year olds ..

    if you have no idea what you are going to do.. keep going to university ..and start a hustle you can start for a few hundred bucks ..and only quit the subway job when that side hustle side business makes more than what you make at the side thing.. and save as much money as you can ..while you are living in the dorm or with your parents while going to university ..

    hell instead of partying .. buy a small cheap pickup truck ..and something that crushes cans and collect the beer can or cans left over from sporting event or just regular parties.. crush them and get the money for recycling them ..

    then rent a storage unit or two before the end of a semester when people go back home and tend to throw out furniture and other stuff that tends to be really good .. and grab as much of that perfectly good stuff as you can and store it away .. then sell it ..between semesters ..

    and like clade mentioned ..save as much money as you can and buy a home ..buy the home you can buy for cash

    the other thing as far as investing goes.. is invest in yourself ..to build the skills so you know what you can to with 10,000 or 100k or more.. to make the money grow.. most asset classes around the world now are at highs ..

    so unless you have the ability to create value or increase the value of an asset ..you need to be putting money into building those skills ...
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Yep, l tend to agree with Claude on this one, and you may drop out and chain yourself to your Laptop for the next 5 years and prove us all wrong, but more likely you won't, and blow the lot.

    Believe me, l am part of a private stockmarket investment forum, and l constantly hear about kids with 4k or more blowing most of it. I also heard about a retirement couple with 250k, blow the lot, and l feel sorry for their decision and am lost for words.

    If the stockmarket or any business was easy, everyone would be doing it.

    It typically takes a year or more to get reasonably good at it, and you need a burning desire to get as good as the top 2%, who tend to have an edge, (which is difficult to find or near impossible).

    I have been online for over 10 years and had a few successes, but not any life changing ones, only invest a few thousand and get part of it back sort of breaks.

    The kid l follow who does quite well with the stockmarket is also in college, so you don't have to ditch one for the other.

    But the stockmarket isn't for everyone, individuals who are never wrong will blow the lot.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Irwantolim
    The short answer that I could give is don't drop out of university
    You can do some side hustle and build income from that.
    Also in this internet age you can do the business whenever and not limited by your place.
    Money that you saved up, first use it to educate yourself, you can find a mentor, coach, and pay them so you can learn from their experience since you have no experience in this space. Follow the step that your mentor give you and use like 40% of the money for your business. Don't spend all the money because you will fail in your first try, that's why you need a mentor to guide you so you're on the right path.

    The rest of the money you keep as a emergency fund in case something happen
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    it's simply not the way an entrepreneur behaves.
    Here's a truth - in the lending community the 'job classification' of 'entrepreneur' means 'broke'.

    A successful entrepreneur is someone who can RUN a business he creates. Business classes on cash flow management, tech courses on computer programs, dealing with different people from different walks of life, learning to talk about many different subjects, express himself well, etc. Practice in organizing and time management - in written and verbal and social skills....those are priceless in business. Learning to write with paragraphs....

    Learning to do the business part of 'entrepreneurial efforts' is often the only difference between success and failure. The ability to relate to others is necessary if you plan to sell....and selling is what you do in a business.

    The OP is 18, first year of university (which means boring 'core curriculum') - seems to be living at home (not yet self supporting) - with a part time job that may be the source of his savings?

    Unless he is taking out huge student loans to finance an education, he should stay in school, learn to run a business, learn to schedule activities and handle responsibility.

    There is absolutely nothing to stop this person from being an 'entrepreneur' at the same time. Starting a business while in college is something many entrepreneurs have done successfully. It's not one OR the other - you can go to school and start a business, too.

    In fact - that IS an 'entrepreneur' - someone who proceeds with what he wants to do at the same time he's doing what he needs to do...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    There are many paths to success. Choose the one that is best for you.
    : )
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      There are many paths to success. Choose the one that is best for you.
      : )
      but the mythical path sold as the path of an entrepreneur .. tends to be the worst possible path to success .. that didn't even work for the entrepreneurs that stories say took that path ..and miss the starting point the tended to be several years to a decade to before the mythical start was ..

      bill gates didn't just suddenly drop out of Harvard and start Microsoft .. he had spent almost a decade learning to program ..and started Microsoft which was a software company based around the skills he had built coding and through small business ventures .

      And zuckerberg was building Facebook or earlier versions of it before while in Harvard

      Steve Jobs didn't start apple alone.. he started apple with Steve Wozniak who had a good job as an engender who had the skills to build the teck.. Jobs was the marketing and sales guy .. and most of the mistakes made where developing the tech.. because they needed to fail a lot to push the tech forward.. but remember Jobs was fired from apple for a string of mistakes ..

      so instead of taking the path that the vast majority of people will fail or kill themselves in the process..build a set of high value skills and then build a business that either helps you learn those skills faster.. or let you do that thing and doesn't restrict you to 8 or 10 hours a day .. at a job .

      success is the path.. of doing something that you are good at doing that makes you an amount of money that gives you a lifestyle you want to have ..

      When i read Claude saying over and over again and stressing the ..you can start a business for almost no money now ..what i hear him saying.. is that to be an entrepreneur use to involve having to borrow a bunch of money and investing it in high overhead infrastructure ..and use pretty expensive advertising methods .. to get customers in to sell them stuff .. that you had to invest a lot of money in inventory .. that tended to get stolen .. and higher people..who did most of the stealing .. blah blah blah.. the skills an entrepreneur used to need ..and only have like a 2 percent profit margin to live on..so you needed a 5-10 million dollar business to make 100-200 thousand a year ..

      now the infrastructure and overhead costs are so much lower ..and pretty close to zero on many of the things
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Everyone starts from somewhere. And if we can help those People, the Forum would be a better place.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Everyone starts from somewhere. And if we can help those People, the Forum would be a better place.

          and telling someone to start a small business or develop skills they can start a buisness around ..instead of quitting school and quitting their job.. with nothing to work with...

          Is help full..look at where someone is .. and show them what they can start from there ..where there are so many many more options today than ever before
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      There are many paths to success. Choose the one that is best for you.
      : )
      there is only one way to get on the path that leads to success ..building a skill set or multiple skill sets ..that have value in the market place . or add value to someone own life..

      there is no fairy tail land called success ..where you get there and live happily ever after ..
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        there is only one way to get on the path that leads to success ..building a skill set or multiple skill sets ..that have value in the market place . or add value to someone own life..

        there is no fairy tail land called success ..where you get there and live happily ever after ..
        Well many times that's true. However that isn't the only way to build wealth/ a successful venture.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Well many times that's true. However that isn't the only way to build wealth/ a successful venture.
          it's the only way that you can replicate ..if you are starting from 0..with no rich parents ..

          if you have nothing and want to build wealth ..or build a successful venture that help you build wealth. there are many skills you do not currently have.. but you can learn along the way to achieving both of those .

          and past a certain point a person needs to surround themselves with highly skilled people ..in order to build and maintain high levels of success for long periods of time ..

          now you may be able to get into organized crime..i mean politics ..ahh whats the difference ..but you will have to build skills in that realm overt time to stay alive / out of jail.. build wealth .

          where you believe there are other ways.. then you should be able to list them . and remember .. they can't be thins that don't require learned skill sett. and they need to be thing other people could replicate .

          so can people build wealth, or build a successful venture without skills that had to be learned and improved over time either while the venture was being built or well before the venture was built .

          describe an example point to someone who has done it ..
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            if you have nothing and want to build wealth ..or build a successful venture that help you build wealth. there are many skills you do not currently have.. but you can learn along the way to achieving both of those..
            No I agree. A person has to develop several skills (etc.) ... My point was that that's not the most important aspect for a successful Website.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            so can people build wealth, or build a successful venture without skills that had to be learned and improved over time either while the venture was being built or well before the venture was built .

            describe an example point to someone who has done it ..
            My Brother Erny has been successful with his body-building website and SEO. To reiterate: you said: "There is only one way to get on the path that leads to success .. building a skill set or multiple skill sets .. that have value in the market place .. or add value to someone own life."

            Again: I disagree: People do have to learn several skills and ― yes ― sometimes those skills are valuable .. However that's just one approach to being successful. When a person is providing tremendous value to their Website visitors, that's a great success ― regardless of the skills it takes to get there.

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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post


              Again: I disagree: People do have to learn several skills and ― yes ― sometimes those skills are valuable .. However that's just one approach to being successful. When a person is providing tremendous value to their Website visitors, that's a great success ― regardless of the skills it takes to get there.

              2C
              Look at the point i am making.. It is the only approach someone starting from nothing.. someone with no money in the bank.. no family with connections..

              a person starting out.. who has to build their success .. needs to focus on what they can to do build more valuable skills .

              that it the only reliable .. way they can increase their chances of building wealth and or a successful venture
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                Look at the point i am making.. It is the only approach someone starting from nothing.. someone with no money in the bank.. no family with connections..

                a person starting out.. who has to build their success .. needs to focus on what they can to do build more valuable skills .

                that it the only reliable .. way they can increase their chances of building wealth and or a successful venture
                Well that's your opinion. And you're welcome to it.
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                • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  Well that's your opinion. And you're welcome to it.
                  how do you build success .. without a focus on building more valuable skills .. and skill sets ..

                  I want your formula.. you say there are other way .. so how can someone who is pretty much useless .. build success .. that doesn't require getting good at anything or several things .

                  you are telling me there are other ways.. spell them out ..

                  you are telling me i am wrong in saying what i am saying.. but you are not spelling out your alternate.. that doesn't rest heavily on building skills you don't have..

                  you are telling me that if someone is failing..and has now valuable skills ..that the only way for them to get on the path to success ..is to put a heavy focus on building skills that have value in the marketplace . is just an opinion.. and there are other ways .

                  well what are those other ways
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                    how do you build success .. without a focus on building more valuable skills .. and skill sets
                    I didn't say a Person wouldn't build "success" without "valuable skills" ... Just that it's only part of the equation many times.

                    You say there are other way .. so how can someone who is pretty much useless .. build success .. that doesn't require getting good at anything or several things .
                    Again it depends what you mean by "getting good at something." Honestly that's kind of obvious.

                    Telling me there are other ways.. spell them out .
                    Well I think everyone does the best they can with what they have at the time.


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                    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post



                      Well I think everyone does the best they can with what they have at the time.


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                      yes and many time that best.. is beginner level .

                      take the person in the situation of the original poster of this thread ..

                      young in university..best they can do job wise is a part time job at a fast food chain .

                      the skills they need to start out developing .. are skills that allow them to make more from their starting business .. than any part time job .. so say $200-$300 USD a week .. so starting out focus on building that level of skill in business.. then grow from there .

                      i will settle on a definition of success that depends on the person ..if their business income can support them so they do not need a job..if they want to work a job fine .. and the closer to 0 .. or no debt no other financial responsibilities.. the easier it is for them to reach that first level of success .

                      building wealth is a very simple formula .. live on less than you earn..and invest ,acquire, or create assets. that produce and income that cover your expenses ..starting from zero , no debt no responsibilities.. can make that much easier as well .
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                        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post




                          Great advice. However at the same time I think ,,, Providing tremendous value is an important part of the equation.

                          : ) HTH
                          the the core of my stress on building skills that have value in the market place .. there are many school teachers who think what they do is far more valuable than throwing a foot ball or hitting a baseball.

                          avoid mistaking what you think is very or extremely valuable with what the market considers valuable if you want to build wealth or build a business .

                          and it takes time to learn the difference ..but you also want to provide value to the marketplace ..in ways that you can look yourself in the mirror and be proud

                          esports is growing .. and the top video game player in the worll .. in esport is making close to 4 million over ten years close to 2.5 mill in just one year
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Stay or don't. But the choices, as pointed out, aren't exclusive.

    Here is my story.


    How a college student turned a 50 cent ad into a $1,000.00 a DAY business.
    By Gordon Alexander


    You have to BEGIN where you are at, with what you have and move toward where you want to be.

    Resources. Let's call this post, resources OR the VALUE of APPLIED INFORMATION.

    Let me tell you a true story. It has been many years since I paid 500 bucks for 5 sheets of paper. TRUE, I paid that much for a special report written by a friend.

    Knowing what I know today, I'd have paid 10 times that. So what kind of a five page report is worth 500 bucks? Well, here's the story:

    I had moved back from California to get married since my honey didn't want to be away from her family. We gave up the fun and surf of Southern California for some good old rotten Northeast Ohio weather.

    I started classes at the University of Akron. Studying Real Estate. A real subject. Not like my studies at Golden West College in Huntington Beach, "PARTYING 101 DUDE".

    Anyhow. A navy buddy called me up and told me about the hottest thing happening in San Francisco. He was going to check it out for me, cause he knew I had an Entrepreneurial bent.

    So he performed a "Chase Revel" type of operation. Chase was the founder of ENTREPRENEUR MAGAZINE, and he published little INSIDER REPORTS on businesses. This was before the magazine. Chase would investigate by spying on and using the services of the business to get the 'inside scoop' on how much money it was REALLY making.

    So my friend became a spy. On a little business that was receiving REMARKABLE press. Free publicity across the land. It was called WESTERN ONION, a revival of the singing telegram business that Western Union had dis-continued some years earlier.

    He ordered their service, hung out at their offices, talked to all the delivery people, mostly college kids in voice or theater in the Bay area. And he wrote a little 5 page report, detailing the operation and giving a pretty accurate projection of the profit potential.

    And the PROFITS were huge. When I got the report, I sent him a check for 500 bucks. For his time, and to cover his expenses. It was the best money I've ever spent for information.

    Now, I was excited. But I had a couple of problems.

    The move back to Ohio, getting settled in, the wedding, school, setting up a household; all those things depleted the old bank account, and I didn't have time to flip much chattel.

    So I DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO START THIS BUSINESS. See, Western Onion was going to franchise. But I figured I'd just set up my own, since no one was doing it here in Northeast Ohio.

    In the 100 dollar a page report, my friend said that college kids actually delivered the grams. But I couldn't afford to hire them. Not in the beginning. Oh, maybe I could collect the money, and pay them after that? A possibility. OR, I could deliver them myself, and KEEP ALL THE PROFITS. YEA, that's the ticket, I thought to myself.

    ONLY one more small problem: I CAN'T SING. In fact I was thrown out of music class as a kid for ruining the chorus. (A story to be told at a later time).

    Friend, I can't carry a tune in a shower. So, I asked
    my wife, since she liked to sing, and she LAUGHED IN MY FACE. Surprised the marriage lasted so long. Anyhow, there I was. I had a great idea. BUT NO RESOURCES.

    I knew that someone was going to open up the Northeast Ohio market, and make a small fortune. But I didn't think it was going to be me.

    So I was telling my best friend all this, and he LAUGHED IN MY FACE also. He said: "Every time you'd sing, the people would roll down laughing, you'd be so OFF KEY."

    And he was right. BUT. WAIT. What's the point of a singing telegram? A little mirth? A little embarrassing joy? HEY. I'd start the OFF KEY SINGING TELEGRAM SERVICE.

    And I did. The very next day.

    After morning classes, I went to the Buchtelite, the school paper and placed the following ad:

    WORLD'S WORST SINGER WILL DELIVER REALLY AWFUL (BUT TERRIBLY FUNNY) SINGING TELEGRAMS. BIRTHDAYS, ANNIVERSARIES, ANY OCCASSIONS. CALL JAY ALEXANDER AT XXX-XXXX.

    That ad, the ONLY one I ever ran, cost me 50 cents.

    The guy taking the ad looked at me. Looked at the ad. Looked at me. Then said. "You serious?"

    "Of course", I replied.

    He continued, "Today's our faculty adviser's birthday. We're having a meeting at 3 this afternoon. How much do you charge?"

    I had no idea. Expected a few days to think about it.
    I said, "If you have a camera there, one of your photographer's, and if it is worthy of your paper, you can just use that, and there will be no charge."

    We had a deal. And I had less than 3 hours to figure something out.

    I drove to Goodwill store, which is right next to the college. And I found an old hat, a cheap vest that looked like something from a barbershop quartet thing, and some really ugly red plaid pants, the ones that golfers STILL wear.

    I had my costume. It cost 2 bucks.

    Then I stopped at the thrift bakery across the street and bought a cupcake.

    A trip downtown yielded some really cheap birthday cards and a candle. And then the final part of the ACT, I discovered walking by the music store. A kazoo.

    I had about an hour left. I was nervous, had NO idea what I was going to do. So I decided to wing it, but to do whatever came out of my mouth as seriously as an opera singer at the Met.

    I may have LOOKED like a clown, but I was playing it straight. And friends, 3 PM rolled around. I burst through the door, asked for the professor, played a few warm up bars on the old Kazoo, and then burst into the most awful rendition of YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE, mostly making it up because I couldn't remember the words.

    He was stunned. There was utter silence. His eyes were as wide as saucers, and I thought I was going to die. But all of a sudden, he realized what was happening and the guy almost peed his pants with laughter.

    Then I lit a candle on the cupcake and we ALL sang Happy Birthday to him. I led the chorus. We were all off key.

    Pictures were taken, I made my escape, and waited.

    Two days later I was front page on the University of Akron paper. The day the paper came out I was swamped with calls.

    And one of the very first ones I delivered was to a radio personality ON AIR, sent by his wife, who was a writer for the Akron Beacon Journal.

    She met me at the studio, so I could gain entrance, and then we surprised this guy LIVE and I belted an awful song, made the sound engineer go nuts.

    That Sunday in the Beacon Journal was an article about me.

    And the rest they say is history. I was interviewed on radio and by almost every paper in Northeast Ohio. And it culminated with an appearance on St. Patrick's Day on a Cleveland TV morning program.

    The host was Fred Griffith, and we (Oh, my wife decided to join the act once she saw the first few hundred come pouring in) did such a lousy (great?) job, he asked for and got an encore.

    We were booked solid for the next couple of months,
    and were taking in over 1000 bucks a day. I had to drop out of college too. l trained a few students, and within a few months, they formed their own companies, and shortly the franchises invaded and there was lots of competition.

    And I sold the business for a very nice profit, but kept the name, NO ONE but me was ever going to be the OFF KEY SINGING TELGRAM SERVICE.

    And no one ever was.

    A couple of closing points. It taught me the value of information. IF IT IS APPLIED. If I had not done anything with my friend's report then 5 bucks would have felt like money down the drain. But it contained everything I needed to start from scratch, and quickly build a profitable cash flow.

    I started where I was at. With what I had (a lousy singing voice) and converted this liability into an asset. I used only the resources I had available, limited funds, and BEGAN to go to where I wanted to get. And when you're still in your 20's, no kids, and making a 1000 bucks a day, life was pretty grand indeed. It was a great ride.

    So. Resources. Got any?

    Money. Got any?

    INFORMATION, GOT ANY?

    Start TODAY, with what you have, where you are at, and BEGIN to work your way toward a place you want to be.

    Now then, let me sing you a song....

    Gordon Alexander

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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    just do it
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  • Profile picture of the author jmosticc22
    I would say don't drop out especially if you are not carrying a lot of debt. Get the piece of the paper and you will find that you will be better off with it than without it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MValmont
    If you want to do something like an accountant, dentist, etc then yeah you need to go to school obviously.

    If you want to learn a business and make money, getting a business degree is mostly a waste of time...I know because I have one and it is useless.

    Now that I'm successful online...I wish I could go back and NOT go to university.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1claire
    First of all, you are still young it is pretty much normal for the generations of today to think that school is a bore. I think it will be nice to take a break to help you figure out what you really want in the future. But then again having a degree will actually help to settle on a better career in the future. Live as of the moment and once you're ready, go pursue a course that you might be passionate about.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    It's very hard psychologically to come back to school when you have the knowledge that you could be making much much more in the private sector and you're older then your peers.

    You should look a bit harder into what you're environment is offering.

    The alumni network is usually quite happy to help. I think there's incubators in every major university town by now.

    Then decide.


    Could write more but it sounds like you've already made your mind and looking for validation.



    PS: Saying that you practice "semen retention" is considered bad form and to be avoided if at all possible.


    As such, avoid books written by hippies. You must train your brain to read higher quality books.
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  • Profile picture of the author georgebizpro
    Andrew you're likely getting a wide variety of opinions and plenty of advice, but from my personal experience....I've been doing SEO as a full-time profession since 2007, have run my own small agency since 2012. We work in the legal niche, have a number of law firms who pay us decent monthly retainers to maintain their websites, improve SEO, etc.

    I did not finish college, I ran an online business when I was in school, noticed how much money I was making, dropped out and went straight into the business world (cell phone industry to start). I eventually got super tired of it, transitioned into SEO/Internet marketing. I had a few thoughts of going back to school while I was making enough money to afford it, but didn't. I was a terrible student and hated school.

    Fast forward to today, I'm 37 and have worked with some of the top firms in the country. However, the legal SEO niche is so over saturated and competitive, combined with the fact that so many people have been screwed over by SEO companies and consultants in the past, that I'm at the point where I'm trying to figure out what my next move is in a few years. I've applied for a few positions that I believe I was qualified based on my 12 years of formal SEO experience, but without a bachelor's degree on my resume I don't even get a call back.

    Do some of the World's most successful entrepreneurs drop out of college? Absolutely.

    Is it possible to be successful without a college degree? Yes, it's America, anything is possible.

    But sometimes websites like WarriorForum, Reddit discussion groups, online marketing forums etc. can make you feel like you're a sucker for not making money and learning cool, cutting-edge marketing techniques that will be around for what seems like years to come.

    10 years from now Google might not even be around, look at Yahoo!
    10 years from now a desktop might be looked at the same as an Atari gaming system, outdated.

    But 10 years from now if you have a bachelor's degree, your chances of getting a job will be a lot higher than if you don't, and it's a lot easier to be a full-time student right now than it will be when you're 10 years older, working full-time.

    Look into an Online Marketing or general business marketing program. Work on perfecting your craft and learning more about marketing, or whatever you're passionate about that you think businesses and others will still need in 10 years.

    Oh and ADHD pills, if I was diagnosed with ADHD while still in college I probably would have finished and wouldn't have recruiters sending me $50k/year job listings, ugh.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Ha!

    I would mebbe want always for my 18yo self to have made sparklin' decisions like she got hindsight's locker for a panty drawer.

    Thing is ... I sense a whole buncha feelz gowin' on here an' I wanna sort 'em out.

    It is cool to figure stuff is a WASTE OF TIME sumtimes ... but how do we FIND that to be true?

    That is where your OP journey starts here imho.

    An' I would wanna wonder how you bein' DISTRACTED from offa the DIRECTION YOU TOOK when gowin' uni was the (entreprenoorial) thing 4U ... yanno, your best evah steps forward.

    Whatevah is gowin' on, you got a seemingly immutable THEREFORE dictatin' your next moves.

    & assoomin' your Point A is valid, is it trooly inevitable that the journey to Point B (quittin' study) is the surest way into the fyootyure?

    You couchin' Point B as ... a DROP.

    Gotta figure DROPPIN' ain't no kinda ascent.

    Which kinda brings me back to the whole entreprenoorial deal.

    Why should it evah be that you gonna make it as a Zealmeister on a roll if'n you buckle out on deals you made with yourself way back when?

    Speshly when knowledge an' qualification gonna always triumph over adrenaline-packed stoopidity -- even if you jus' scrape a degree in frickin' BOTANY?

    There exists in all endeavors a kinda FLINT STRIKE that pits promise of potential sparky against how hard an' true you can smack WELL CHOSEN tangible sh*t togethah.

    So mebbe go get sum verifiable tangible sh*t ain't gonna turn you into no ravaged wraith of 21 years for stickin' at it (*DEE-GREE*), then mebbe use that xp as a transformative platform for WHATEVAH once you conquered this momentarily distractin' demon says (unentreprenoorially) "it's gettin' kinda difficult an' I wanna bail".

    What you seek is choice & freedom an' an opportoonity to make your mark on the planet, which means matchin' aspiration to sum kinda substance.

    Stoopidest thing 'bout education is how if'n you jus' keep on dowin' what you gotta do, substance drops on your ass as a *DEE-GREE* packs kudos-laden momentum potential.

    If it helps, I recall long nights spent workin' hard when I coulda been FIXIN' MY EYEBROWS TILL I RESEMBLED A GODDESS, but instead, I diligently passed the porter guy ... on my way to an' fro from the library ... as the horridest evah snow bit at my ankles ... an' doubt possessed me like that scene in The Shining where Jack Nicholson busts down the door ... till finally I could look my Mom in the eye as the gal who could nevah spell proper who actschwlly kinda could.

    (Course, it helps that I had a side hustle as a HYPNOTIST'S ASSISTANT, but I ain't too proud 'bout that cos the costoom was way unflatterin'.)

    Gotta figure here between WHAT DRIVES YOU FORWARD an' WHAT LURES YOU AWAY.

    My 18yo self is with you now ... mascara drippin' on her tits all kinda WALK AWAY ... cos it is HARD an' THERE NO POINT an' GRASS IS GREENER.

    OOH OOH! LOOKEE!
    FAIRY GODMOTHER APPEARS!

    Welcome to Entrepreneurville!
    We're so excited to take you onboard!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bear1k
    Andrew, this is a personal question that only you can answer. Everything that Brute mentioned in his first post is solid and I agree with.

    This world IS open for your expression and I can tell in the way that you wrote your post that you largely already know the answer.

    Here's a method that I use when making decisions in my life -

    Look for the truths of nature. What I mean by this is to look at the realities of the outcomes of your activities and actions. You said it yourself - everything that you learn in university can be learned through a quick web search. Information is everywhere.
    So to me, that automatically removes university as an option when it comes to learning information - I mean, it's just practical to understand that you're paying way above market price for the information itself. If you're curious enough about the world around you then believe me, you will seek out the information that you need to be succesful.

    How do you track these truths and learn more of them? Keep a notebook and learn about yourself through writing freely. THAT is true learning.

    Reflect on your strengths.
    Carry the notebook with you.
    Write down observations about people, things or products.
    Write down how you perceive things and why you think you perceive it that way.
    Sketch your ideal landing page layout for fun.

    What will begin to happen is you will begin to form a solid understanding of your beliefs, purpose, and self. And this WILL lead to your next big idea. Then from there just take action - keep writing and reflecting throughout the process of starting your business. But get started.

    Believe me. You will learn more from this process than any university or institution could ever provide.

    Goodluck!
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  • Profile picture of the author brucey666
    Just think about the things that you want to do for the rest of your life, do that! if someone has already paid for your education,well you need to go through that like for me if i quit my education now under scholarship, i will owe them 100 thousand dollars so yeah..

    But i am doing online business on the side while studying for my degree, now i am on my final 2 months to get my accounting degree which seems useless to me in application since i am an online entrepreneur and even if i build a lot of business in the future, i would not be one who is going to be the accounting part for my business because it is very time consuming.

    Just follow your dream like Gary Vee said you better off making 50k doing what you like than 100k doing what you dont like and hate it,bitching about it for the rest of ur life.
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  • Profile picture of the author sairon
    SKILL SKILL SKILL!!! Become a plumber you will have a doctors salary. Expensive watch repair. etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author senupal
    First you complete your study . i knw you have skill to make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by andreew13 View Post

    Hello, I am currently 18 years old and a freshman at University.
    You made it all the way to University, and do not not know how to write using paragraphs?
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    what are the other parts of the equation to get on the path to success . there are other part of the equasion.. but those depend on the success you are going after . so the what skills .. and other thing you need .

    but once you have something you want to be successful in .. and you are starting from scratch..start building the skills or improving the skills you have .. that will get you on the path to success.

    maybe the point of our disagreement is that you are not registering why i am specifically pointing out how to get on the path to success ..

    honestly there is no path to success .. because there is no point in the future or place on the map called success . we can most likely totally disagree on what success is ..even success with an online business ..or what wealth is..

    and the variables all change based on weather you are trying to build a successful website ..or you tube channel.. the industry or niche.. and the audience ..you are targeting in the area ..

    the goal of my equation.. it to at least tell people starting out.. where to start .. and that is generally building skills ..increasing knowledge ..that will help you build website.. or build a you tube channel.. or an etsy business ..

    all of those have different skills you need to learn and different places to start ..
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      all of those have different skills you need to learn and different places to start ..
      No. I agree. Good point. Thanks Odahh.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    I have to say most of the advice in this thread is terrible.

    The canard that is oft repeated is that you can learn everything on your own

    For certain things, you benefit massively from access to world class researchers --- and that's what a (good) university have near exclusive access to.

    This can come surprisingly early in one's education. There are many things that are communicated orally and don't ever make it in books even at the undergraduate level. If you go into a math-intensive STEM field, that most important thing is usually big picture intuition.

    Now do you *need* this access?

    Probably not.

    Most people shouldn't go to university but most of the reasons cited in this thread are simply too absurd to merit a proper response.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxFeerden
    It now seems to you that this is a waste of time. But it will be a couple of years and you will want to go to work in a good company and will not take you because you have no education. In order to find a decent job and have financial stability, you need education.
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  • Profile picture of the author Medon
    My brother, at 18, you are still too young to be let out there. It is true that spending time in university is a waste of time. Especially when allyour tutors do is to teach you things that are in textbooks. It is boring to see them recycle the old Keynesian theories that were formulated way back in 1936. It pains to see learn that even professors don't add or subtract anything from the theories. But you should stay in school since it will help you to develop and see things from a different perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author JUnderwood
    At that age, you're too young to drop out. When you are older you will regret when you cannot find a decent job.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Button
    Don't do it man, there are better ways
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  • Profile picture of the author sgalla414
    Going to school, slaving through the 3-4 years and getting a job are all really great life experiences. I put in 4 years worth of schooling to get a good paying job. Meaning, i traded 4 years of my life to make xx amount of money per year. This is the same for entrepreneurial ventures. You are going to put in a lot of work that you wont get paid for right away but in the end it might pay off. Working for years also taught me that wasn't how I wanted to life my life-- as a slave to the 9-5. But it also taught me that even though I wasn't happy, I still had to show up and put in the work. Do you NEED to go to school or keep your job, no. But until you have built something else to compensate for these I would suggest staying in school and figuring everything else out on the side.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Everybody that is still the OP to stay in School in July. Should take note the Original Poster has not been logged in here since March. Wonder if he stay or dropped out 3 posts and gone most likely will never return.
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  • Profile picture of the author hierundjetzt
    I would say that of you live in, for example, Germany, that getting a university degree is not absolutely necessary (there are many well-paid occupations that only require only a state exam without a university degree). But I think if you live for instance in the US, that is a completely different story and a university degree usually is a must for any well-paying job/career.
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