The Law Of Attraction Works!

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Hey everyone,

Just thought I'd make a quick post about the law of attraction and provide a testimonial - so to speak - about how this stuff really works. In all honesty, I bet there's a ton of non-believers and haters on here so I'm possibly wasting my time.

If on the other hand, you're someone who's willing to give anything an honest try I recommend you get yourself a copy of The Secret. A few months ago I got my hands on the DVD version in which Joe Vitale and a bunch of other cool guys talk about their experience with the law of attraction. I've not read the book but welcome any comments as I absolutely hate reading and probably require a much-needed kick up the ass to get a copy and read it.

It's all about positive thought vibrations and how your mind materializes your thoughts whether you like it or not. In the documentary, they talk about how the universe operates around a famous line from the Disney film Aladdin...

Your wish is my command.

The whole point is that you need to train yourself (believe me it ain't easy) and alter your thought patterns to materialize positive things and achieve the success you've always wanted in life.

If you're thinking about losing your job in these tough times, then sooner or later you'll lose your job. If you're constantly worrying about debt, you'll never get out of debt. If you keep thinking that every Internet Marketing program is like the last, then sure enough it will be.

The universe doesn't give a damn in what context you think about these things. At the end of the day, if you're thinking about getting out of debt, you're ultimately still thinking about debt. Instead of thinking about getting out of debt, think about having $500,000 in your bank account!

Get it?

Believe me it takes time and this stuff isn't easy. I've gotten into the whole world of Spiritualism over the past couple of years and so this all seemed a little more "natural" to me to begin with. Having said that, I was stunned at how negative my thoughts were and to the sheer extent of how absolutely everything you think about has repercussions.

I highly recommend you get your hands on this stuff and give it a try
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  • Profile picture of the author lakishacopeland
    The law of attraction works whether people believe in it or not. If you are attracting not so good people or things to you. Somewhere in your subconscious you believe you don't desere better. If people would just analize their personal relationships, they can see that this stuff works.

    Great Post
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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    Fully agree with you Lakisha, there's so many people concentrating on slating one another in these forums that they will NEVER get to where they want to be.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gerardas Norkus
    Sure, the law of attraction works. All our thoughts and emotions (our inside world) express our material world.
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  • Profile picture of the author RichPirate
    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    You believe the universe actively helps you get what you want?

    Can you give one credible example of the "law of attraction" working that would hold up to scrutiny?



    -Paul

    I'm also a skeptic when it comes to The Law Of Attraction, but the truth is this works not because of some pseudo quantum science, but because of some well researched psychology. The more you think about something the more it influences the things you pay attention to.

    For example, you maybe be thinking about having 500,000 in your bank account, so you will begin to see things in your life that will help you do that, things that you may have missed before (ie. a friend who is working in a business you want to get into, a book sitting on the book shelf you put off reading, a great product idea that comes from reading the newspaper etc...)

    it's not magic, it's very simple psychology that works
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  • Profile picture of the author BKenn01
    Tony Robbins tells a story in one of his early tape sets (yes I had the cassette) of a couple who convinced themselves they would win the lottery. Even told people they had won. Sure enough, they won a large jackpot.

    I go along with the philosiphy that you will get what you focus your energies on.
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  • Profile picture of the author SergeyT
    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    This isn't the universe helping, and those threads are not being attracted to you.

    It is your attention that has been attracted to those threads because that's what your focusing on.
    Yep! Right you are!

    The Law of Attraction says you ATTRACT things you wish. So the universe modifies ITSELF in order to fulfill your wish.

    It's a wrong shift of the focus. The universe around lives its own life and doesn't care a bit about our wishes. BUT!

    The universe is so enormous that you may find virtually every possibility, every variant of events in it. What you really need to do is "tune" yourself to the right "direction". It's like finding your way in the open sea. You may listen to a number of advices to observe behaviour of fish around or examine the direction of bird fly... And what's interesting, such observations and hard work may and with your luck bring you to the shore, but will that shore be just where you wanted to come?

    On the other hand, if you find a current, a stream heading in the direction you need to go it won't cost you an effort to be right where you wanted.

    So to my mind the difference between LoA and real life is like difference betwen Ptolemy's system with the Earth in the center of the world and Copernican heliocentric cosmology - both work in their own way, but which one reflects the real state of things?

    It's better to speak about intentions, cause the process of building an intention and its fulfillment resembles the way LoA works, but fully depends on you, your focus and your spare energy.

    Best wishes,
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    Now all of a sudden Quantum science is a pseudo science?

    A real thing that can be verified is pseudo.

    Wow!

    Just wow!

    Just FYI: Psychologists consider Law of Attraction as a pseudo law.

    Quantum physics has some concrete material, but research still is far away from the order of dimension.

    -Lakshay
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    • Profile picture of the author RichPirate
      Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

      Now all of a sudden Quantum science is a pseudo science?

      A real thing that can be verified is pseudo.

      Wow!

      Just wow!

      Just FYI: Psychologists consider Law of Attraction as a pseudo law.

      Quantum physics has some concrete material, but research still is far away from the order of dimension.

      -Lakshay

      Quantum physics is not a pseudo science. The "quantum physics" presented in "The Secret" are. Is it true that scientists have seen light act as both a wave and a particle. The observer does indeed affect what is observed. For example, you change everything you look at because light bouces off your eyes and back in to the enviornment.

      To make the leap from that to the conclusion that our "consciousness" changes our environment is unfounded at best and really completely ridiculous.

      Psychologists have said for a long time that what we pay attention to has a lot to do with what we are thinking about. We can in fact completely delete things from our awareness if we are not looking for them.

      see "Gorillas in our midst" experiments (under Inattentional Blindness Examples):

      djs_lab demos
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel E Taylor
        Originally Posted by RichPirate View Post

        To make the leap from that to the conclusion that our "consciousness" changes our environment is unfounded at best and really completely ridiculous.

        Is it completely ridiculous because you haven't experienced it?

        Do a meditation retreat for 2 months and come back and tell me
        what is utterly ridiculous.

        I feel for you because your blindness will can only lead
        to suffering. Which is what you experience during most of
        your existence, whether you admit it or not.

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  • Profile picture of the author STKING
    Whether you are a skeptic or not on the Law of Attraction, it is definitely a real thing. How can you say that your attitude does not determine how your life is going to play out and how you will react to it? Of course it does. That is the essence of the Law of Attraction.

    You ask for hard evidence, but how many things can be explained.... haven't we seen that our beloved "scientific thinking" cannot explain everything?

    There have been many paradigm shifts in thinking and logic over the centuries both"proving" and "disproving" truth and fiction...it keeps flipflopping all the time. We just happen to live (in the U.S) in a culture that holds our 'scientific studies' to the nth degree. Whereas Asian cultures do not focus solely on science, but more essence and energy.

    My experience comes from a recent visit to an Energy Healer. It was a profoundly weird and amazing and shocking and calming.

    Energy is real and the Law of Attraction is Energy. This entire world is just a bunch of vibration.
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    • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
      Originally Posted by STKING View Post

      Whether you are a skeptic or not on the Law of Attraction, it is definitely a real thing. How can you say that your attitude does not determine how your life is going to play out and how you will react to it? Of course it does. That is the essence of the Law of Attraction.

      You ask for hard evidence, but how many things can be explained.... haven't we seen that our beloved "scientific thinking" cannot explain everything?

      There have been many paradigm shifts in thinking and logic over the centuries both"proving" and "disproving" truth and fiction...it keeps flipflopping all the time. We just happen to live (in the U.S) in a culture that holds our 'scientific studies' to the nth degree. Whereas Asian cultures do not focus solely on science, but more essence and energy.

      My experience comes from a recent visit to an Energy Healer. It was a profoundly weird and amazing and shocking and calming.

      Energy is real and the Law of Attraction is Energy. This entire world is just a bunch of vibration.
      Well said.

      I think too many people are getting carried away with the reason "why" the law of attraction works. The real thing you should be focusing your attention on here is not who, what, where, how or why but the fact that it just is.

      The bottom line is the law of attraction works. I'm a 16 year old kid. If you knew me personally you'd probably say I was the last person on earth to believe all this weirdo-techy-science-spirtual stuff...

      The point is, since I've started applying the laws I've started noticing fundamental shifts going on around me. The birth of new ideas, situations that people might call "coincidence" or heck, luck.

      Different cultures teach similar concepts in different ways, much like in the way religion is preached. Catholics believe in God, Muslims believe in Allah and Spirtualists believe in an Energy Source. Call it what you will, they're all based on a similar concept - energy.

      Instead of fighting over what each other should believe in, we should focus on appreciating the fact that our perception of things is variable. We're all different and we all think differently. Cool!

      So why the heck should we worry about the fact that someone "sees" something in a different way to ourselves? Because ultimately, we all believe in a similar concept that is an energy source. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what name tag we attach to it...

      Whether its psychological science or spritual theory, the law of attraction exists and it works. Whether the universe has the power to move and alter your fate or whether what you think materializes what you want because of some sub-conscious brain patterns, who on earth gives a damn?

      Think about what you want long enough, believe it and you will ultimately materialize it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Baker
    I believe it all starts with self belief.

    As a great man taught me years ago, "It's what you say to yourself, about yourself while you are by yourself that makes the difference".
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    • Profile picture of the author doctfeelgood
      What wise words that actually sums up the Law of Attractions principles. Thoughts become things? What you perceive is what you get.

      Originally Posted by Steve Baker View Post

      I believe it all starts with self belief.

      As a great man taught me years ago, "It's what you say to yourself, about yourself while you are by yourself that makes the difference".
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    • Profile picture of the author DannyLucas
      There are many good resources some one can pull from that would support the Law of Attraction. One that comes to mind is a book that I have in my library - As a Man Thinketh - by James Allen.
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  • Profile picture of the author SergeyT
    Once upon a time... I heard such a story...

    In fact it was not just a story but an exercise in attempts to understand what we all are.

    So, imagine the following artificial situation:

    Given: a large room or rather a cellar - lower the ground level - with a raw of windows just under the ceiling on one side and an empty wall on the opposite side. And it is the world for those who live in this room.

    There are several primary restrictions for this situation:
    - everyone in the room can look only in one direction, namely see the empty wall (they cannot turn their heads or body to look at each other or outside the windows)
    - the sun (or just light) shines all the day round, and on the wall there can be seen shadows of people, animals and things moving outside the room
    - sounds can be heard
    - people outside are not aware of those inside

    The question: what do those living in this room know about themselves and about the outside world? In general - what is their world like?

    You may try to speculate on this and apply your conclusions to the world we all live in...

    And another "story":

    A mom asks her 3-year old daughter:
    - Why do you think the wind bolws?
    - Because the trees are swinging.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel E Taylor
    You guys throw around the law of attraction like
    it's some kind of toy we can choose to use or not.

    It goes much deeper than that.

    Most of the "Skeptics" are only that because of pure ignorance
    (The act of ignoring).

    If someone would stop thinking for a minute and payed undistractable
    attention to reality and not to their perception of reality they could
    easily see the universal laws at work.

    When someone says "Well prove it to me", it only shows their ignorance.
    It's not something that needs proving. Just open your eyes and shut your
    mouth for a second and begin to really take a REAL look at reality and not
    the societal roles which keep most people blind to the depths of their
    own soul.

    All one would have to do is the spiritual work to get to the level of being
    able to see the "Law of attraction" at work all the time.

    I just finished a 2 MONTH meditation retreat over the summer so I don't
    need science or anyone to "Prove" anything.

    I'm smart enough to just look for myself instead of looking to outside opinions
    of what is real. Because the person your asking is still just that. Another person
    looking for answers.

    Look into the depths of your own soul, and don't worry about convincing
    others. That's not your job. Everyone has their own path.

    The truth is you really don't want to convince others, you are still trying
    to convince yourself so you want others to agree with you and if they don't
    it starts to give you doubt.

    Again law of attraction is just one law of the universe, but provides the moment
    by moment mirror to show you exactly what your current vibrational level is.

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  • Profile picture of the author loenex
    law of Attraction works for people whether consciously or in our subconscious mind. People tend to know what they want, then they ask , they visualize and they are open to receive or let go of of the things they want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    The law of attraction

    ugh

    How I *hate* drivel like that.

    Listen, its TRUE. Buts its silly to make it complicated and right an entire book on it.

    I mean, Napolean Hill did; and we've all read think and grow rich.

    But do you want to know the secret? The law of attraction, and all of that nicely packaged self help stuff?

    Your *are* what you think ABOUT.

    Not *what* you think.

    Not what you *think* about DOING.

    What your doing, because of what you think.

    Its a double edged sword. Simply combined action, with a persistent thought process on why your taking those actions; and how you can make them more effective and of course youll succeed. You'll keep trying and failing until you figure out the solution!

    And of course, putting your subconscience to work on a task always helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author ddistco
    The law of attraction is real. I agree with Lakisha. Whether you believe it of not you attract what you believe and what you think about based on your intention of a thing, circumstance or situation. If you intent is to be unsure the law of attraction will just say OKAY to that thought and bring it right to you served on a silver platter. ~ NO PROBLEM!

    We have the power to attract what it is that we want in our lives simply by speaking to it backed by our belief that it is there and will reveal itself to us.

    I believe that...
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  • Profile picture of the author pierro
    I totally agree, I have the book and as well the ebook.
    That's why I don't believe in "good luck"
    good one CG93
    cheers, pierro
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  • Profile picture of the author Chrissy Allen
    Hi Guys,

    For me the law of attraction is an every day part of my life, ive used it since i was very young and it makes me smile when people call it crap or say it doesnt work etc...
    I have to say though i never really talk to anyone about it or try to persuade people that it works. Ive got it and use it and use it very well but i just dont advertise it, it is my little secret in someways.
    Its good that it is being brought up in these forums though, because eventually everyone will know its very useful and wont be able to deny it (like a lot of people do) anymore.
    The shift in our thoughts and beliefs is happening fast and picking up pace almost daily. I do know whats happening and i am very switched on with regard to the future and the earth shattering truths that will change our world for the better.

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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    John, I'll send you a PM.

    Seems like we're actually getting some like-minded people in this thread now! It's great to see I'm not the only one who thinks like this...

    To be honest, I think you are right. We shouldn't be trying to convince people but rather share our thoughts with each other to learn and grow both as Internet Marketers and individuals.

    Great meetin you guys

    Connor
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    • Profile picture of the author zenmack
      Original Poster and others, I have been teaching the principles for over 5 years now. I have seen it work in my own life and I have helped many men discover how they were killing their dating lives from not applying the law of attraction and vibration.

      I have done over 700 podcast shows and my main theme has been so it is within so it is without.

      I know have a 15 day ecourse with videos and podcasts and articles that I am putting guys through and ALL of them have come out awakened to the matrix individuals.

      The problem is that people think that sitting back and wishing for something is all that it takes. For a man looking for love it certainly is not going to knock on his door and move right in.

      I used to go to the Unity Church and I would notice a room full of well wishers. People who sat back wishing for success to drop out of the sky instead of getting out there and applying the law of action to their lives.

      "He helps those who help themselves"

      And as one wise man once said "seek and ye shall find." That man did not say sit on your buns and it shall find you.

      The law of attraction bought me to the internet. I own a offline business but now the majority of my income is coming from the internet since I put it into my head to fire my offline clients.

      Again and again I have seen these laws of the universe active in my life.

      For the naysayers who have taken the blue pill I have no issues with. I will keep on doing me while I hope they keep on doing what they do.

      I realize many are those left brain types whom need for it to be written in stone by the world most famous and smartest scientist then it will become true.

      What they don't realize is that the smartest people in the world have been working on it since Einstein. Too bad he died before he could solve the problem.

      I invite those people to check out the current brain trusts information that is available out there and their new theory called Quantum Entanglement.
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      • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
        Originally Posted by zenmack View Post

        I invite those people to check out the current brain trusts information that is available out there and their new theory called Quantum Entanglement.
        Watched WTBDWK- "Down the rabbit hole"

        The entanglement topic, once you open your mind to it, gets addictive. It's complicated, fun, fascinating, mysterious but simple at the same time. Mind blowing.

        I find myself asking some of the most outlandish but intelligent questions. I'm also amazed at the potential of what's to come in the future. Here's the latest..

        "Why is it that when researchers "observe" an electron particle it's form changes from a "particle" to a "wave?"

        A) Is it because we simply are not suppose to see it's true nature- or
        B) is it because our own "intention" energy is causing it to change?

        For the op:

        I agree it works, but not in the way you might be thinking it works. It works because you might have realized that you are actually greater than what others or yourself has led you to believe. It works because you decided it works.

        You chose not to conform to the "herd" mind of thinking and doing, and search for deeper meaning. Maybe.

        "Blah! This whole subject is stupid" Guess what? You're right.

        "People are dumb if they think the law of attraction is "real! Ha-ha"- Right again! Sometime in the future, maybe you open yourself up to accepting better opinions of the potential of others.

        Grant
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        • Profile picture of the author RichPirate
          Originally Posted by GrantFreeman View Post


          "Why is it that when researchers "observe" an electron particle it's form changes from a "particle" to a "wave?"

          Is it because we simply are not suppose to see it's true nature- or is it because our own "intention" energy is causing it to change?
          How about it's because the measuring device interferes with the wave? This is really the accepted conclusion. WTB is trying to sell you a fringe idea as if it is mainstream and then sell you more products.
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  • Profile picture of the author vc2008
    "Focus on what you want and not what you don't want" is the mantra I learnt from my Hindu Spiritual gurus. This has really worked for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aronya
    What you want is irrelevant.

    What you focus your attention on is what you will receive more of. Money problems bothering you? Keep worrying about them and guess what? You'll have more of them.

    LOA is at work in all of our lives, from the moment we are born, whether we are aware of it or not. You cannot exist without using it, just as you cannot exist without using other natural laws, like gravity.

    You do not need to believe in it. It is in action in your life anyway, just like the other natural laws. You don't have to believe that the earth is round (there are people who don't), but you will never find the edge.

    Test it. Pick a small goal. Something that you would LIKE to have happen in your life. Something believable for YOU. Then, every day for 30 days, write down the goal 10 times. Afterward, spend just 5 minutes quietly thinking (meditating) about how you will feel when this goal is achieved, and give thanks to yourself for creating the outcome. Then, just forget about it for the day, and go about your life.

    Rules:
    1. Be specific about the goal.
    2. Be specific about the deadline.
    3. If you miss a day, you must start over.
    4. Do not worry about whether it will work.
    5. Do not worry about HOW it will work - it is not your job.
    6. Do not worry about whether or not you believe in it.
    7. Do not dwell on the reasons why it can't/won't/shouldn't work.

    I used a system very much like this when I was going to go to South America on a vacation, about 20 years ago. Thru a complicated series of events, I was given a plane ticket, and decided that I wanted to have $1000 to spend on my trip. I had never had ANY success with positive affirmations, visualizations, etc. Also, I had never had $1000 in my hand (or my bank account) in my life. But, the day I stepped on that plane, I had it in my pocket.

    I had never heard of LOA then, but I had demonstrated it to myself. You can do the same. Start with small things. As you begin to believe that you did actually have something to do with creating these things, you can start to expand the scope of what you create. As your successes become larger, so will your belief.
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  • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
    RichPirate,

    Good question. No answer I'm wondering why it didn't effect the particle too.

    Watching the movie, it sounds like they use a recording device that is separate of human interaction. Or is it?

    (a sidewalk is a sidewalk until a human body walks across it. Ten minutes later you can see the footprints of a person on the sidewalk with an infared camera)

    Then they play back a tape and observe that? That's where it gets mind boggling to me.

    If it's true that we are all connected, there are many variables to consider. Too many to list without feeling nutty

    If one spins a particle, the one thousands of miles away spins. But what is really the essence of a mile? We are conditioned to believe and accept that there is nothing between the space between you and I.

    In reality, there are millions of different types of atoms like oxygen, carbon dioxide and others. All forms of some type of energy.

    Like that one Doctor says. It's like asking about the political strategy of a tuna sandwich- does it even make sense to ask the questions.

    By the way, I don't think it's wrong to sell an idea, if I understand you correctly. I like the fact that there are so many ways of approaching the idea of LOA or "The Secret" or "You get what you focus on". Why?

    A person in a room full of 1,000 people can say a thing and it might make sense to only 5 of them. Another person can say the same thing in a different way, and 500 will think it makes sense. That's only your perception.

    That perception or opinion you have is not "wrong" it's simply "yours"

    Grant
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  • Profile picture of the author RichPirate
    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    You mean what's real to you. Tell me, did you just look within yourself one day and found LOA? Or did someone else introduce the idea to you?



    Just my 3 cents.

    -Paul
    Well look at it this way, as long as there are true believers the new age niche well keep going strong
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  • Profile picture of the author benjawealth
    Attraction has the word "Action" in it. Do the best you can, the way fits best to you, with moral, confidence. Then the "hunter" will become the "hunted." I think it is like that.

    Anyone with me.
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    • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
      Paul M,

      To be honest pal I think you made some perfectly valid points. I agree that forums are great places to share opinions and empathise with other people's perspectives on things.

      What I don't agree with, however, is the way you put your point across. I felt as though you were just going to go out of your way to disagree with everyone in this thread who said something you didn't like... and you're talking to us about taking other people's views into consideration?

      I don't really care if you believe in the Law of Attraction or not. I'm not trying to create some weirdo cult group to turn everyone on the Warrior Forum into Bible Bashers and crazed Spiritualist Leaders...

      In MY opinion, you could have put your post across in a much nicer manner had you taken a little more time to think it through. Instead, you half-heartedly made an effort to openly disagree with people and p*ss them off in the process.

      Besides, if you don't believe in it, why waste the time to go posting about it?

      Oh... and I'm not trying to sell nothing to nobody...
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  • Profile picture of the author SergeyT
    Dear cgallagher93, please do not feel offended by paul m!

    It is so human to firmly stick to ideas in your age but there are a lot of people and there are a lot of opinions.

    The posts in the forum are not only for supporting what the initiator said, the forum itself is the "place for public discussion", so any opinions are welcomed here.

    "For, in this case, the danger is not that of being refuted, but of being misunderstood." (Immanuil Kant)

    Sometimes it happens in life that you do things, encounter events and feel that there is something behind those fortuities, something connects cause and outcome. You begin to notice that when you do certain things or use certain methods the result is favorable and vice versa. And suddenly - wow! - you come across a profound explanation as to why this happens.

    For you (by the moment) it doesn't matter whether this explanation is full or partial, scientific or mistic, or whatever it may be... The most important for you is that it explains what you were interested in, and in the way close to what you're already prepared yourself for. For sure such explanation becomes a sacred one to you and every argument against it makes you feel at least uncomfortable.

    But think a bit, aren't there many cases in human history when generally acepted (and worshiped) concepts with time become false ones or parts of more general ones?

    You see, unfortunately all human beings (well, almost all ) are INTERPRETERS. We perceive, "sense" the world around as it is (really is) but filter it through our consciousness, our experience, our mindset... so we interpret everything in our life instead of just perceiving it. As a result the world of energies (not three-dimensional) becomes subjective 3D surrounding. More than that - in fact we all live in 2D world (not in the terms of physics). Practically all by what we operate has two opposite ends: up-down, good-bad, plus-minus, etc. It's a DUAL world of ours.

    Exceptions are so rare that we don't put much attention to them, e.g. three primary colours mixed result in white (or black if painted), the concept of Trinity in religion - a unity of three results in whole different quality.

    What I want to say...

    You should never put aside any opinion you come across (or as you may interpret it - opinion that you attracted into your life ), but instead look at it as a filed for thinking, learning something else, something that may (and will) broaden your own view. You'll only benefit form it.

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  • Profile picture of the author fypnlp
    to be honest. If you want a BEST and Original book on the law of attraction. Read 'ask and it is given' by esther and jerry hicks. Practical, interesting and miles more informative than the secret!
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    • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
      What a small, small world...

      My mother has this book. Everything I mention to her about the law of attraction she comes up with a quote from the book lol!

      Originally Posted by fypnlp View Post

      to be honest. If you want a BEST and Original book on the law of attraction. Read 'ask and it is given' by esther and jerry hicks. Practical, interesting and miles more informative than the secret!
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  • Profile picture of the author BiancaRaven
    Of course it works.

    A few years ago I was working full time as an investment banker in a job I hated. It took me almost an hour of driving in heavy traffic to get to the office before working 10 hours in a stressful, fast-paced job before driving home in even heavier traffic.

    All I wanted in my imagination was to write. I couldn't think of anything else in the world that I wanted to do more, but deep down inside I didn't think I could match the amazingly high income I was earning as an investment banker.

    Then one day a friend told me off properly. She said that my own thoughts were holding me back. I was thinking negative things about working at home full time and it was my own fault I hadn't gone full time with my true passion. She gave me a copy of 'The Secret'. I thought it was a weirdo hippie thing and ignored it for a while. She sat with me one day and made sure I watched it.

    I thought about this long and hard. I wanted to believe I could match my income by sitting at home with my daughter. A month later, I quit my job as a successful, highly paid investment banker. I've been working full time as a freelance writer since.

    I'm a single mom with a 4 year old daughter and a very large mortgage to pay and I do it comfortably each month with wonderful clients and plenty of opportunities open to me now.

    I understand that these opportunities to work from home only opened to me when I opened my mind to the possibilities. I manifested the opportunities and then I worked hard to make good on those opportunities. My clients keep coming back, so I must be doing something right - but the most important thing is that I get to spend more time with my precious daughter.

    to Paul M: Have you ever heard the saying "Whether you think you can or not, you're right"? Henry Ford is attributed to saying this and he's so right. I didn't believe it was possible to match a six figure income as an investment banker by sitting at home, so it didn't happen. When I chose to change my beliefs, I benefited by not only matching, but exceeding my previous income, yet I get to spend far more time with my daughter than I ever would have while working at a bank. It came down to my beliefs about what was possible and of course I took positive action to make it my reality.

    My only wish is that I'd known about the law of attraction years ago!

    Bianca
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    It does indeed work, often in most unexpected ways.

    Here's a copy and paste of a story I posted to this board awhile back.


    Every once in awhile I hear a word used in a context that sets a little light off in my head. My wife's acupunturist who has become a friend over the years is probably our only new thought friend. I was talking to her yesterday while my wife sat impersonating a pin cushion, and she used the word attract in a context that I previously likely would have used the word manifest.

    I had a similar experience years ago with the word intend. I'd read it in the Castaneda books a number of times, but I think it was a Deepak Chopra audio that sparked the aha moment for me and caused me to think deeply about the act of intention.

    I haven't actively practiced LOA type stuff since long before law of attraction became the buzzword it is now, but I have manifested things in the past with incredible results.

    Anyway, here's the the story...

    About four months ago my wife acquired a tortoise for our grandkids. Someone who owed her some money had two and was trying to sell them. It wasn't likely that my wife was going to get paid, so she took one of the tortoises as partial payment. The tortoise had a runny nose, so we took it to the vet, found out that it was getting about zero nutrition from what it was being fed, so we educated ourselves on tortoise care and passed the information on to the lady who we got the tortoise from.

    About a month later my wife discovered that the lady who still had the other tortoise hadn't changed it's diet, so my wife took that one in trade against the debt as well to prevent her from killing it.

    We had the first tortoise at our house for awhile before the kids were ready to take it, and became somewhat attached to it. We decided that tortoises were pretty cool pets. When we gave them the second one, it was with the understanding that when the kids decided they no longer wanted two, or when they grew so big that caring for two became overwhelming (this variety gets BIG), we would take one of them.

    I got swept up in the whole tortoise thing, and began looking for a large used aquarium to keep one in. I found one rather quickly, bought it, and put it in the garage. I suppose this is the point where you can say I truly intended to have a tortoise.

    Fast forward a month or so after I bought the aquarium...

    I was home alone one weekend, had fired up the grill, and was waiting for the coals to ash over. I heard our dog barking and looked out the slider into the back yard to see what she was barking at. She was in the near corner of the yard barking and scratching the ground at the base of the fence. I figured she had chased a garter snake or something to the fenceline, and it had escaped under the fence. I told her knock it off and returned to the kitchen to finish getting the meat ready to put on the grill.

    After I went back outside, the dog was gone. I put the meat on the grill, grabbed a beer, and sat down in a lawn chair. As I began relaxing, I looked across the yard to my left, and saw the dog had something between her paws that she was gnawing on. It didn't look like one of her toys, so I walked over to see what it was.

    It was a tortoise!

    I snatched it away from the dog and inspected it. It must have been quick to retract into it's shell because it didn't appear that the dog had done any damage. After looking at the spot on the fenceline where I saw her barking earlier, it appeared that the tortoise may have been burrowing under the fence.

    I live in western Washington state. Tortoises don't live in the wild here. An escaped or abandoned pet tortoise very likely wouldn't survive the wet weather for long. We live in a development of about 70 homes just past the edge of town. The closest home outside the development is probably at least half a mile. We were unable to find anyone in the development missing a tortoise. We have no idea where it came from. Wherever it came from, it is well cared for now.

    Fast forward again to yesterday...

    We were at the acupuncturist's house. My wife was getting her treatment and asked if we had told her about the tortoise. She said no, and I basically just told her that the dog found a tortoise in the yard, and I rescued the tortoise from the dog. She chuckled and said, "John attracted a tortoise."

    I hadn't considered it in those terms. The synapses started firing and in that moment I came to truly understand the meaning of attraction.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Aronya
    cgallagher93;
    Look for a video called "The Secret Behind The Secret". It's about Jerry & Esther Hicks. It will blow your socks off.
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  • Profile picture of the author don21stc
    Hi,
    I've read a lot of the posts and as far as I'm concerned the LoA jury is still out.
    There are people who say that homeopathic medecine works - I presume it's because they believe strongly enough in it so that it works for them, or is it that they are desperate for it to work, so therefore it works?
    The same could be the case for LoA.
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    • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
      Originally Posted by don21stc View Post

      Hi,
      I've read a lot of the posts and as far as I'm concerned the LoA jury is still out.
      Do you mean that you haven't gathered enough positive opinions yet so you can feel comfortable enough to join the crowd of believers? If that's the case, you're way off base..

      There are people who say that homeopathic medecine works - I presume it's because they believe strongly enough in it so that it works for them, or is it that they are desperate for it to work, so therefore it works?
      The same could be the case for LoA.
      The LOA, Quantum Physics, Personal Power, whatever you choose to call it is "working". It's working weather you believe it does or not. It works best for the people who let it work in their lives.

      It's not some kind of natural medicine. Not a placebo. Not a religion. It's a matter of a person "waking up" to the fact that the world is bigger and much more spectacular than what you were conditioned to see. Most people prefer to live in a bubble. They never allow themselves to experience anything greater to what's going on inside them or around them.

      It's about you realizing that you are greater than, and have far more potential than what you were conditioned to believe since you were in grade school.

      It's about loving yourself more. Accepting people for who they are. It's about loving other people more. It's about seeing the big picture. Letting go. Not owning other people's problems. Removing limitations that keep us down. You allow it or you don't. Whatever you choose is your own doing. It's taking responsibility for you. Making your own choices based on what it is that you truly want to do.

      Reminds me of the movie The Matrix. Only there is no evil machines that use us as batteries, and we don't have to be asleep and dreaming to do great things.

      There are no coincidences. No accidents. No worrying about what other people think. No struggling or wondering if it "works" or not. No more making excuses. Everything happens for a reason, and it's usually to get our attention about something. It's so simple it's complicated.

      That's what the "LOA" is about for me. it's about remembering who I really am. Not about beliving what other people expect me to become. Their expectations don't mean squat.

      My suggestion to you, is to think about thinking for yourself. You already know the answer to your question. You just haven't allowed yourself to realize it.. yet.

      Grant
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    • Profile picture of the author SergeyT
      Originally Posted by don21stc View Post

      There are people who say that homeopathic medecine works - I presume it's because they believe strongly enough in it so that it works for them, or is it that they are desperate for it to work, so therefore it works?
      The same could be the case for LoA.
      Well, it's not the same case It's more about interpretation or approach of people.

      You see, the effect of homeopatic is proved by science - the organizm (not only human, but that of animals and plants as well) gives a strong reaction to a tiny portion of particular substances, e.g. poisons. Such quantity of poison doesn't really harm the organism but the organism gathers inner resourses and tries to overcome possible threat. The effect is positive for health.

      As for the Law of Attraction...

      In a few words it can be defined as "what you think you attract": "Whatever is going on in your mind you are attracting to you" (Bob Proctor - The Secret)

      The main word here is "attract". "ATTRACTION implies the possession by one thing of a quality that pulls another to it" (attraction - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary)

      You see the approach here? One thing (a person) posesses a certain quality that pulls another thing (events, things, everything in life) to it. Is such quality universal? If yes, then everything in the universe has it. A deer magnetizes a hunter's shot (not only the hunter attracts the meat to feed his family), a pine magnetizes being cut down (not only the logger attracts timber to build his house or sell it), a cockroach magnetizes being poisoned (not only a housewife attracts a house "clean of insects") and so on and so forth.

      The LoA strangely concerns only human beings as those posessing such quality. All the rest of the world seems to be a mere "responder" to our thoughts.

      So the picture is as follows: a human being is in the center of universe with its unique magnetizing quality and all the rest of the world serves this King of nature. Resembles something, doesn't it?

      Another apporach you may find in different kinds of religion. They say that everything that happens in our life is the will of God (or Gods - depending on the belief system). This approach says that you should follow some basic principles to be in line with the God's will and as a result your life (or your afterlife) will be happy. (By the way, such basic principles vary so much from culture to culture that those deemed to be mortal sins for some followers are believed to be great virtues for other ones).

      The picture here (very much simplified) is as follows: in the center there is God who governs all the rest of the world (including humans, animals, plants and not living beings). If you are in accord with the God's will - everything is OK, if not - get ready for punishment.

      Yet another approach you find with science. It says that there are laws, rules that we know and there are laws and rules that we don't know yet. In the center there is universe, and all the rest - being part of it - follows the laws (whether known or unknown) valid for more general system.

      So you see, one and the same event, thing or process in life may be explained from different points of view. Which explanation is "true" or "working" or "real" depends on the base used for the explanation.

      Best wishes
      Sergey
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      • Profile picture of the author RichPirate
        Originally Posted by SergeyT View Post

        Well, it's not the same case It's more about interpretation or approach of people.

        You see, the effect of homeopatic is proved by science - the organizm (not only human, but that of animals and plants as well) gives a strong reaction to a tiny portion of particular substances, e.g. poisons. Such quantity of poison doesn't really harm the organism but the organism gathers inner resourses and tries to overcome possible threat. The effect is positive for health.
        Actually that's just what practitioners of homeopathy say. The truth is that there is no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of homeopathic remedies:

        The Scientific Evidence on Homeopathy > Health Issues > ACSH
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel E Taylor
    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    So what your saying is people should just blindly believe what they're told by a few marketers who have spun an old idea, added in some pseudo quantum physics and new age thinking, and repackaged it as a secret. The "law of attraction" isn't even a law. It's a theory at best, another religion at worst. Only this one slants more towards personal (material) gain which especially appeals to the entitlement crowd.

    Not saying you're part of the entitlement crowd or it's wrong to believe in it. It's your choice, but does that mean it shouldn't be questioned?



    The law of attraction seems to work because you've chosen to make a commitment in believing it. And since then you've probably been attributing events in your life to the law of attraction. In reality, and all else being equal, those events would have happened anyway. You've just chosen to attribute them to law of attraction IMO.

    No ones fighting. Just expressing different views. Looking at things from many different perspectives can be a good thing. It allows people to make a more balanced or informed judgement when choosing what to believe. That's also one reason why forums can be of great benefit.

    Clearly, many people do give a damn otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.

    Daniel,



    Predictable. :rolleyes:

    That's the typical narrow-minded response from a believer when presented with either questions they cannot answer or non-believers.

    Again, blind belief seems to be the order of the day. If you choose to blindly believe what you're told by some new age marketers and there films and books. Fine. However, some of us choose to acknowledge and question things that clearly don't add up or don't make any logical sense. That's not ignorance.

    How's your credit card feeling after open wallet surgery?

    You mean what's real to you. Tell me, did you just look within yourself one day and found the LOA? Or did someone else introduce the idea to you?



    Just my 3 cents.

    -Paul
    *Shrugs*

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Townsend
    Yes the law of attraction works. If you don't want to read the book I suggest that you download the audio from itunes.
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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    Probably because James Arthur Ray wasn't determined enough. Don't get me wrong, this stuff isn't easy. It takes time to truly alter your thoughts and not think about anything negative. I'm probably only 20% of the way there at the moment but it's already working for me!

    You also need to believe in it. If you try it and yet have a niggling doubt in the back of your mind it won't work. Well, I don't think so anyway. Refering to the Simpsons example, one person can't change things for an organization. Did you ever stop to wonder that just maybe the other 50 people used the Law of Attraction to make the Simpsons a successful and long-lasting TV show?

    My opinion is that you can either go on living your life like everyone else, basically on a one-dimensional route to death, or you can try to understand the universe and make changes in your life for the better. Call it sprituality, call it psychology call it energy, call it whatever the heck you like... it's gotta be worth a try, hasn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Aronya
      Belief is irrelevant. Believing in laws of physics doesn't make them any more real or powerful. Not believing doesn't make them any LESS real or powerful, either.

      The REASON to think positive thoughts is for the way they make you feel. The way you FEEL about what you are thinking is a guide to using LOA effectively. When you feel strongly about something, and make an effort to hold onto those feelings, you begin to see more manifestations of similar things in your life. Positive or negative, it makes no difference.

      A baseball player hits a home run in a critical situation. He feels great about it. Next at-bat, he is still feeling the effects of that home run. Does he hit another? It's happened. But, more likely, he just gets another hit. The good feelings are reinforced. Pretty soon, he's really in the zone, and seems not to be able to do anything wrong.

      Is this an example of LOA? Not exactly. More correctly, it's an example of someone allowing LOA to bring them what they want. They always wanted success as a player, and always had some level of it; it's inevitable. But, the biggest, most consistent successes come when we don't focus on creating them, but rather on allowing them to happen.

      A lot of what's being talked about here is positive thinking, not LOA. There is a difference. Think whatever you like; LOA will still be doing its best to deliver to you things and experiences that resonate with your feelings.

      "the secret didn't work to well for james arthur ray." This statement comes from someone who either hasn't seen or read The Secret, or didn't understand it. To me, that's not surprising. I've seen bits and pieces of the movie, and it doesn't do a very good job of laying out the concept in simple terms. They seem to prefer to let the viewer piece it all together.

      I'd like to hear from the naysayers what they think LOA is, and how it is supposed to work. Anybody care to give an honest explanation of their understanding of it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Aronya
        Originally Posted by Mr. Goof Off View Post

        Didn't understand it according to whom? you? I seen it james arthur ray was in it right?

        Anyhow, I am done I have my opinions on this matter and you have yours I am up for no debates I just wanted to bring a couple of examples to light.

        Have fun
        Didn't understand it according to me, yes. If you disagree, why not explain LOA as you understand it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Aronya
      Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

      My opinion is that you can either go on living your life like everyone else, basically on a one-dimensional route to death, or you can try to understand the universe and make changes in your life for the better. Call it sprituality, call it psychology call it energy, call it whatever the heck you like... it's gotta be worth a try, hasn't it?
      Great attitude! Whether you think you volunteered for it or not, we're all on this bus together. You might as well make an effort to enjoy the trip, right?
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      • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
        The real problem I've run into with "the law of attraction" is just being consistent.

        You need to be consistent in order for this stuff to work. I've never done affirmations more than 10 days in a row, I don't consistently visualize or meditate etc. etc..

        Yes, I've had some financial success, but nothing earth shattering. My house is still messy. I'm not fat but I'm always cheating on my diet. I guess I thought I could turn myself into a robot or something. :lol:

        It's definitely hard to get yourself to do stuff that you find extremely boring. I haven't mediated in a few weeks now.

        About The Secret

        I believe in the Law of Attraction and I have read a few books on it.

        I just don't like the Secret. There's no substance to it. All they do is repeat the law of attraction over and over again in different ways.

        It's more like an advertisement for "The Law Of Attraction" than an actual learning tool.

        Rhonda Bryne's testimonial on how she used the secret was basically just her selling you the secret. It's kind of like a guy saying they were broke until they started selling how to get rich ebooks.

        She was a television producer who decided to get into the "self-help" industry. That's low hanging fruit for any decent television producer. However, "the secret" is supposed to get the "average joe" from point a to point b, which it does not do.

        It's a starting point. From there you are supposed to seek out "the experts" from the secret, which are definitely a mixed bag. Some of them are good and some of them are really bad.

        I just think that there are better books/dvds out there that will give you more depth of information. Wayne Dyer, Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy etc..
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        • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
          Thanks for this post. Unlike some, you had the maturity and the wisdom to make an informative comment and provide some accurate and constructive criticism.

          To be perfectly honest, I have to jump on the bandwagon here and state that being consistent with the law of attraction is very difficult. Or at least it is now with the way of society.

          The concepts are very simple, the problem is you have to have great determination and self-belief to actually practice them time and time again. Having said that, I believe that just making a positive change can enhance the way you think and help you draw more of the positive things and financial abundance which you may desire in your life.

          I certainly do NOT vizualize my aspirations as much as I possibly "should" do, and haven't done meditation in about a year. On the same hand though, I've recently been vizualizing a new laptop which just a couple of days ago quite kindly appeared at the right price and right time.

          I also agree with you regarding the secret. It's a start, but it's far from a complete guide on how to materialize things with the law of attraction. It explains the concept and also the process you need to enter for it to work, but it doesn't explain the process in great enough detail.

          Aside from the first 15-20 minutes, it's basically an hour-long presentation of a bunch of testimonials. I have to say that once I'd watched half an hour's worth, I'd have quite willingly turned it off.

          There are however a few decent resources which explain the process fully and bring it all together, so to speak. The Master Key System by Charles Haanel, As A Man Thinketh by James Allen and The Science Ohf Getting Rich by Napoleon Hill. They've all made millionaires and people from around the world continue to provide positive results and testimonials alike.

          I also heard it on the grapevine that The Secret book is actually much better than the movie. Has anyone here actually read the book and if so did you find this to be the case? I couldn't say I'm an avid reader myself but if it's truly THAT good then I'll be sure to get myself a copy.

          The problem with the Law Of Attraction is that it's turning into a religion. Like people above have mentioned, the concepts have been taught for many years in some way and with that comes a ton of press. It's lead to people adding their own slant on things and kinda re-publishing it as it's own.

          In my opinion, that's why there's so many haters and negative perspectives of the LOA. I hoped this thread might help persuade a few people to look into the teachings and apply them to see if there was any positive results. Perhaps, it was wrong and immature of me to presume so and attempt to change other people's opinions. At the end of the day, not everyone can believe in the same thing and it's this that makes the universe balance.

          On the other hand, I strongly disagree with the people who feel the need to come in and apply their negative influences to this thread. Just because you don't believe in it, there's no need to criticise those who do. There are also a number of people who have responded positively, in particular the poster below.

          Thanks to everyone who has provided a constructed and balanced contribution and I hope the Law Of Attraction can continue to work for you all in the way it does for myself and so many others.

          Originally Posted by Sylonious View Post

          The real problem I've run into with "the law of attraction" is just being consistent.

          You need to be consistent in order for this stuff to work. I've never done affirmations more than 10 days in a row, I don't consistently visualize or meditate etc. etc..

          Yes, I've had some financial success, but nothing earth shattering. My house is still messy. I'm not fat but I'm always cheating on my diet. I guess I thought I could turn myself into a robot or something. :lol:

          It's definitely hard to get yourself to do stuff that you find extremely boring. I haven't mediated in a few weeks now.

          About The Secret

          I believe in the Law of Attraction and I have read a few books on it.

          I just don't like the Secret. There's no substance to it. All they do is repeat the law of attraction over and over again in different ways.

          It's more like an advertisement for "The Law Of Attraction" than an actual learning tool.

          Rhonda Bryne's testimonial on how she used the secret was basically just her selling you the secret. It's kind of like a guy saying they were broke until they started selling how to get rich ebooks.

          She was a television producer who decided to get into the "self-help" industry. That's low hanging fruit for any decent television producer. However, "the secret" is supposed to get the "average joe" from point a to point b, which it does not do.

          It's a starting point. From there you are supposed to seek out "the experts" from the secret, which are definitely a mixed bag. Some of them are good and some of them are really bad.

          I just think that there are better books/dvds out there that will give you more depth of information. Wayne Dyer, Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy etc..
          Cheers guys (and gals),

          Connor
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        • Profile picture of the author rainspeak
          May I suggest looking at the the movie The Secret as the most successful viral marketing campaign ever. Yes Rhonda did omit somethings but, the movie is a good starting point. There is more to this LoA that what was in the movie. What I have found though, is that if you seek the information it will appear. That was a good point about consistency. We tend to send to many mixed signals to the universal mind which brings mixed results and clutter. As Napoleon Hill stated "our mind is the one thing we have absolute control over."
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  • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
    Originally Posted by Mr. Goof Off View Post

    the secret didn't work to well for james arthur ray. I wonder why?

    Just the facts it's not hating it is what it is.
    See what you did here?

    The words you've chosen seem to suggest that the universe/energy/high power/whatever must punch a time-clock for Mr. Ray.

    Are you suggesting that it's the Universe's job to take responsibility for his success or demise?

    -Grant
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    • Profile picture of the author rainspeak
      On a slightly different subject has anyone hear read Fractal Time by Gregg Branden? Or read on a deeper level of the LoA anything by works by Neville Goddard?
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  • Profile picture of the author don21stc
    Briefly, on the subject of homeopathy, I would respectfully disagree with Sergey T - some basic tenets have been scientifically disproved using the randomized double blind technique. This is particularly the case with the counter-intuitive claim that the more an 'active' ingredient is diluted the more potent it becomes. It certainly becomes more expensive! Thus something with a dilution of 24x is considered to be more potent than 12x despite that the fact the chance of more than a single molecule of the original ingredient being present in the 24x preparation is very low. And 60x is even more expensive and you definitely don't get a single active molecules for your money.
    But many people swear by homeopathy so even if it's just a placebo effect, it obviously does some people some good.

    Moving on to LoA, to be controversial, I'm somewhat of the opinion that it is a modern version of the 'emperor's clothes' for some people in that they believe in it because everyone else does and so it must be true. And it is well established that if enough people believe in a 'movement' or 'cause' or whatever, then results are bound to occur that are consistent with the beliefs espoused, even if they're interpreted differently by individual adherents of the general principles involved.
    I'm also confused, for want of a better word, by the apparent contradiction that people who practise genuine kindness and compassion to other humans attract not only good into their lives by, say, the satisfaction that results from being able to improve the situation of others but also attract evil, and sometimes extreme evil, in the form of those who will exploit them. I'm thinking particularly of UN Aid workers but some Warriors may recall the case of Terry Waite, the Archbishop of Canterbury's envoy to Lebanon to try to secure the release of British hostages but who was himself captured and held hostage for four years in appalling circumstances

    I also wonder whether people who use the mantra "I believe in myself" can reconcile that with adherence to a set of principles which seem to have to be learnt and then applied according to some maybe unwritten set of rules?

    Finally, I have no problems myself with intuition because there are many things that we do not and cannot understand and to dismiss something because it's outside our comprehension is not an approach that I subscribe to. Even Albert Einstein applied his own keen intuitive senses to the realms of theoretical physics and Sir Isaac Newton actually practiced alchemy although he did so in private!
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    • Profile picture of the author SergeyT
      Originally Posted by don21stc View Post

      Briefly, on the subject of homeopathy, I would respectfully disagree with Sergey T - some basic tenets have been scientifically disproved using the randomized double blind technique.
      OK, I'm not a medician . What I can count for is just what happened to my cat around eight years ago.

      I have a really great cat (his weight is around 8.5 kg).

      Now he's twelve years old but feels very alive and agile. Nine years ago he got ill, lost half of his hair and and the vet said it was urolithiasis. For the rest of the cat's life he prescribed us to feed him in a special way and said it often happens with such big ones. We went from one vet clinic to another in order to find something to cure him. Finally we came across a doctor who advised us to apply homeopathy. And it really helped. In less than a year the cat was totally cured. May be it was accidental, may be it doesn't prove anything but the result was good. And I don't think the cat (who often didn't want to take those balls even pulverized into powder) believed in any way in the power of homeopathy.
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  • Profile picture of the author tj0575
    I just want to add my 2cents to this post. I am a HUGE believer that your thoughts and faith(when i say faith, not your religion but the faith to believe you will get what you want) dictate what you get in life. Read the book "The science of getting rich"...and you will see exactly what I am talking about. The book is a great read.....One easy to see this "law" in action is to think back over your life, I mean really think about the good and bad things that have happened to you, and you will remember a time when everything was going good, or not so good. Prime example for me, when I was dating a person who always complained that things never went her way, that started to affect me and the same "bad" things she was attracting to her, started to come to me as well just because I would talk with her about and agree with her. Needless to say we are no longer together. I cut out all negative influences in my life (friends, some family i dont talk to, even people who start to get negative in conversation, I stop talking right there and excuse myself from the conversation) I want only positive people in my circle and life and it has worked. I love my Life and Honestly I never have a bad day.
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  • Profile picture of the author rainspeak
    When actively applying the law your bound to attract more of the same so here is more. Check out some of Neville Goddard's books.
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    • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
      James Ray's experience would tend to suggest to me
      that the operative mystical law of this earth is that
      of KARMA - because in peddling nonsense to gullible,
      needy people apparently something happened where
      the priorities of his staff got mixed up; and since he
      is the leader I would tend to assume the ultimate
      culpability rests with him.

      In my opinion most of the L.O.A. stuff is nonsense.

      That doesn't mean that deciding what you want to
      happen and taking action consistent with the sort
      of action is not a good way to get that result.

      In Mr. Ray's case he took action consistent, apparently,
      with his desire for a multiple 7-figure yearly income,
      capitalizing on his natural charisma and speaking
      skills.

      Ultimately since the focus of much of his work was
      on telling people how they could get rich by following
      his "spiritual" teachings it's not unexpected that
      tragedy resulted.

      L.O.A. teachings are often a replacement for non-rational
      religious beliefs, just as are U.F.O. cults.

      If you really want to succeed a rational approach will
      likely get you there with less pain and expense than
      following pseudoscientific trends.

      L.O.A. theories as espoused by Rhonda Byrne and
      her extended commercial for motivational speakers,
      "The Secret" falls definitively within the category
      of psuedoscience and the people who follow it are
      either ignorant of what real science is or are not
      ignorant but willing to mislead others in order to
      "attract" money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
        Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

        L.O.A. teachings are often a replacement for non-rational
        religious beliefs, just as are U.F.O. cults.
        L.O.A is just what you are attracted to or what you pay attention to. I lived in Danbury, Connecticut almost ten years ago (now I live in the Midwest) and occasionally I will see the town mentioned on the news or in a movie I'm watching. One time I saw a Fire Hydrant that was made in Danbury, CT. It's strange because Danbury, CT is fairly small town.

        That's the Law Of Attraction.

        All those references to Danbury would still be there with or without me. I just would not have paid them any attention.

        The concept has been sensationalized and marketed in a different way but that's it in a nutshell.

        And for the record, Atheism can also be a form of fanaticism just like U.F.O. and religious cults. :jab:

        Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

        There are however a few decent resources which explain the process fully and bring it all together, so to speak. The Master Key System by Charles Haanel, As A Man Thinketh by James Allen and The Science Ohf Getting Rich by Napoleon Hill. They've all made millionaires and people from around the world continue to provide positive results and testimonials alike.
        Those are all great resources. I personally like Wayne Dyer, but I take what I want from his books. I mix and match what he says with Anthony Robbins, Brian Tracy and even Richard Bandler (NLP). I don't just follow any one person blindly.

        I also read this one book that said that you have to change your brain wave patterns for affirmations to reach your subconscious. That's why they always tell you to do affirmations when you are about to fall a sleep or as soon as you wake up in the morning.

        Doing it in the middle of the day is completely worthless.

        Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

        I also heard it on the grapevine that The Secret book is actually much better than the movie. Has anyone here actually read the book and if so did you find this to be the case? I couldn't say I'm an avid reader myself but if it's truly THAT good then I'll be sure to get myself a copy.
        I would not buy the secret book no matter what the circumstance. If anything I would pick one of the "teachers" from The Secret" and buy one of their books instead. Whatever you decide to do get the best deal possible. Look for some of their old (cheap; used but in good condition) books on eBay or Amazon.com etc..

        Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

        The problem with the Law Of Attraction is that it's turning into a religion. Like people above have mentioned, the concepts have been taught for many years in some way and with that comes a ton of press. It's lead to people adding their own slant on things and kinda re-publishing it as it's own.
        It's just marketing hype. You take out what you want and leave the rest.

        Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

        In my opinion, that's why there's so many haters and negative perspectives of the LOA. I hoped this thread might help persuade a few people to look into the teachings and apply them to see if there was any positive results. Perhaps, it was wrong and immature of me to presume so and attempt to change other people's opinions. At the end of the day, not everyone can believe in the same thing and it's this that makes the universe balance.

        On the other hand, I strongly disagree with the people who feel the need to come in and apply their negative influences to this thread. Just because you don't believe in it, there's no need to criticise those who do. There are also a number of people who have responded positively, in particular the poster below.
        Skepticism and atheism have basically become their own religions now. They feel the need to witness and preach God's non-existence and crush and destroy dreams. Why bother?

        If Debbie Downer had a religion it would be skepticism.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
          Originally Posted by Sylonious View Post

          L.O.A is just what you are attracted to or what you pay attention to. I lived in Danbury, Connecticut almost ten years ago (now I live in the Midwest) and occasionally I will see the town mentioned on the news or in a movie I'm watching. One time I saw a Fire Hydrant that was made in Danbury, CT. It's strange because Danbury, CT is fairly small town.

          That's the Law Of Attraction.
          No it isn't. You're aware of Danbury because you lived there.

          Originally Posted by Sylonious View Post

          Skepticism and atheism have basically become their own religions now.
          Sorry, but you're incorrect. There is no supernatural in skepticism or atheism. But, please give me a heads up as to which atheist God I should be worshiping.

          Originally Posted by Sylonious View Post

          They feel the need to witness and preach God's non-existence and crush and destroy dreams. Why bother?
          Are they crushing and destroying your dreams? Why? Why would rational thinking and evidence do that to myth?

          Do you complain about all the Christians who are compelled to "spread the good news" without a single shred of evidence. I don't complain about them. In fact, I look forward to them ringing my doorbell on those rare Saturdays when they do.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
            Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

            No it isn't. You're aware of Danbury because you lived there.
            Yes, aware of Danbury. That's all it is, being aware of it. I never said it was anything supernatural.

            It's a common phenomenon. Almost everyone can relate. You start looking for a new car, something special, something not like anyone else's, something unusual. You pick out what seems to be a unique, unusual choice of a special red car and all of a sudden, there it is- your red car, the one you thought was only yours. It's on every street corner. It is at every stoplight. You see three of these red cars just driving down the freeway. You never saw these cars before. What happened? How did all of these people get your unique red car at the same time?

            Well the fact of the matter is that your brain is seeing the red cars that were always there. Since you picked out this car for yourself, that car has become special for you and now you are noticing what was really there all along.

            It's called the "Reticular Activation System" or RAS. Source: The Universal Law Of Attraction
            Almost every Law Of Attraction book uses that Red Car, example. Anyone who has read any book on the L.O.A. would know that.

            Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

            Sorry, but you're incorrect. There is no supernatural in skepticism or atheism. But, please give me a heads up as to which atheist God I should be worshiping.
            A religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth.

            You've come this thread to preach your gospel and witness to us about the non-existence of the supernatural, your ultimate truth. The OP never asked for that.

            Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

            Are they crushing and destroying your dreams? Why? Why would rational thinking and evidence do that to myth?
            Because I never asked for it. I'd rather keep my delusions and be happy. I'd rather believe that I have some sort of power to change my own life instead of just thinking that I am a victim of random events.

            I see "delusional" people all the time and I don't say anything. I don't see the point in imposing my beliefs about what's "rational".

            Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

            Do you complain about all the Christians who are compelled to "spread the good news" without a single shred of evidence?
            No, not all Christians. Just those who go out of there way to bother or manipulate me. I look at many preachers or Christians as just scam artists just like James Arthur Ray.

            That doesn't mean that I believe Christianity is a scam, that God doesn't exist or that I can't learn anything from listening to them.

            I don't dislike or have contempt for most atheist either. I love Bill Maher, James Randi, and Penn Jillette. I'll listen to them with an open mind. I just don't like being bullied or peer pressured into believing something.

            That seems like the new MO for many atheists. Anyone who believes in God is an "idiot" now.

            I honestly don't know what is or isn't out there and I definitely wouldn't try to convert people to my way of thinking.

            Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

            I don't complain about them. In fact, I look forward to them ringing my doorbell on those rare Saturdays when they do.
            I close my blinds and shut my door when they come. It's not that I dislike Jehova's witnesses. I just find any preaching just extremely boring.
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        • Profile picture of the author SergeyT
          Originally Posted by Sylonious View Post

          L.O.A is just what you are attracted to or what you pay attention to. ...
          That's the Law Of Attraction.
          (bold font is mine)

          That's just what makes difference for me.

          LoA as put in "The Secret" states that everything in your life is attracted to you. To my mind it's quite opposite. You are attracted to what you want to have. For, on one hand, you want something been attracted to you - that implies making conditions for the attraction from your side and all the rest is done without your participation. On the other hand in case you want to be attracted to something - implies that you work with yourself so that what you want becomes natural in your new changed state. And LoA all the time mixes these two basically differet approaches.

          That's why there appear supplements, clarifications such as Law of Action, deferred fulfillment and so on. All this resembles the government law system when with all additions and explanations of the law implementation the law itself becomes a mere name with its essence being something quite different.

          But if approach LoA in the meaning of you being attracted to what you desire it becomes not universal - it goes to the sphere of phychology (where IMO it just should be).

          As for the sources, the movie "What the Bleep. Down the Rabbit Hole" (though not so motivationally structured as "The Secret") has much more to do with reality.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
            Originally Posted by SergeyT View Post

            (bold font is mine)

            That's just what makes difference for me.

            LoA as put in "The Secret" states that everything in your life is attracted to you. To my mind it's quite opposite. You are attracted to what you want to have. For, on one hand, you want something been attracted to you - that implies making conditions for the attraction from your side and all the rest is done without your participation. On the other hand in case you want to be attracted to something - implies that you work with yourself so that what you want becomes natural in your new changed state. And LoA all the time mixes these two basically differet approaches.

            That's why there appear supplements, clarifications such as Law of Action, deferred fulfillment and so on. All this resembles the government law system when with all additions and explanations of the law implementation the law itself becomes a mere name with its essence being something quite different.

            But if approach LoA in the meaning of you being attracted to what you desire it becomes not universal - it goes to the sphere of phychology (where IMO it just should be).

            As for the sources, the movie "What the Bleep. Down the Rabbit Hole" (though not so motivationally structured as "The Secret") has much more to do with reality.
            If you read the reviews on Amazon the skeptics have over run the review page writing and bumping up negative reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author rainspeak
    After viewing several forums through warrior there is some heavy negativity and some subtle forms as well. If you look at how those writing in those tones spend there time you can find your proof of the law therein. It is key to stay out of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author powyoung
    If you look back in history all of the greatest thinkers, scientists, philosophers, and entrepreneurs, from Buddha, Jesus, Goethe, Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Newton, Thomas Edison, and Henry Ford all talk about the ideas of the Law of Attraction in some way.

    That's what convinced me that there must be something to it. I agree that the Secret lacks substance. I like the book and course it was based off of the Science of Getting Rich much better as it's more thorough. Then there's also Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. What I liked about this one is that he spent 25 years interviewing the richest most powerful people of the time, and all of them had similar observations to make. These ideas have been around for hundreds of years.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonnyCash
    Great thread, the topic always touches off such polarity.

    A few days ago I had coffee with a friend of mine. He is a multi-millionaire. First he built a website that pulled in 6 figures a month, then he bought and sold a portfolio of apartment buildings.

    What's interesting about this guy is that he REALLY doesn't seem like a guy who would ever have achieved this type of success.

    When I first met him, I was so confounded by this paradox (he was really rich, but seemed like he was kind of stupid or dumb), that I used to tell my wife that he must of just been lucky... nothing about him conveyed success or talent in any way.

    So last week, I started to ask him questions, to try and figure out just how he got rich.

    Again, his answers were far from what I expected.

    Here are some of the notes I took (yes, I could tell I was hearing golden nuggets, so I whipped out a pad and took notes):

    -1- You have to be successful NOW. Act as if you are already a successful person in everything you do starting NOW.

    Putting success off into the future is a big mistake.

    -2- Once you get the hang of number one, you'll begin to attract abundant money/deals/opportunities.

    He said that both his website and the apartment deals "came to him without effort" after he accepted his success in the present.

    -3- Raise your standards. Successful people don't work on crap or low value ideas just to make a couple bucks.

    -4- Give more value and affect and serve more people in a positive way

    -5- Affirm what you want IN THE PRESENT!

    He told me he started telling himself over and over all day long, "I am a successful person and I make $10,000 dollars a month" and it came true sooner than he ever would have thought.

    Upon reflection of how well that affirmation worked, he started telling himself, "I am a multi-millionaire" and in a very short time it had come true as well.

    Another affirmation he used was, "Money comes to me with ease and it comes in big amounts" Again it came true as he began to make 6 and 7 figures buying and selling apartment buildings.
    As I've gotten to know him better it became clearer to me that he really did have an entrepreneur's mindset and his success was no fluke.

    However, he was the last person on earth I would have ever expected to attribute his success to affirmations and creative visualization.

    I've heard all this stuff in books before of course, but somehow it is much more powerful when someone who you know has achieved so much financially tells you these things were the keys to their success.
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    • Profile picture of the author rainspeak
      This is perhaps the most accurate representation of the LoA I've seen on this thread. Thank you. I see a lot of people trying to analyze if it works or not. All the while not realizing that if you doubt it's validity you have already manifested your belief. So hence it has worked. The part about the present in reference to your friend is a key missing secret and if you can combine that with feeling the desire has already manifested itself all the swifter it will will come. So if you are wanting something to come into your life you must clear or clean the doubt or the true desire will be overridden by the subconscious doubt.
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  • Profile picture of the author Susan Stones
    I listened to an interview the other day talking about the Law of Attraction. It was the first time I had heard about it, I haven't read the book and didn't catch all of the interview. So I am talking from ignorance, but I have a policy to keep an open mind and look at the evidence. As a scientist I look for proof.

    My expectation is that the Law of Attraction is works in that if I really believe something is true (e.g. i am a successful Internet Marketer) then I will behave accordingly, and I will relate to people accordingly. And as others have said, I will pay attention to relevant details and react accordingly. My total behaviour then brings the natural result of that behaviour, success in Internet Marketing.

    In this thread I have read some examples of situations where the effect cannot be explained by my explanation (finding a tortoise, winning a lottery), but these are not proof. They are circumstantial evidence, that is they could be explained by some other scenario.

    Any way, I will read the book, and keep an open mind. I will be looking for evidence.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluewillow
    I haven't read The Secret, but I have read Cash In a Flash: Fast Money In Slow Times. It's a good read and explains how getting your thoughts right is more important that having the right money making program.
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  • Profile picture of the author Holy
    It's a bit far-fetched, it's not a proven law, but if you keep thinking positively about getting the things you want and actually taking action, then chances are HIGH that you will get them, but you are NOT guaranteed success. Which is why it shouldn't be called the law of attraction.
    However, it's a very excellent "theory" that is greatly beneficial
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  • Profile picture of the author don21stc
    Taking up Holy's point from the previous post, the fact that the subject of this thread is called the Law of Attraction is bound to provoke anti as well as pro reactions because it's not a law enacted by elected representatives for the general good of society nor is it a law of science like the Laws of Thermodynamics which are verifiable or at least demonstrable by methodical non-intuitive methods.
    Holy implies that if it was called the Theory of Attraction, it may be less controversial - I would prefer the Principles of Attraction but anyway, if it works for some people that's great! As far as I know, nothing works for everyone.
    I still have an open mind on the LoA subject but I'm becoming a little bit suspicious of the attempts to denigrate anyone who disagrees with it. If it is really true that it works, surely it must be able to withstand robust criticism even if some of it may not be particulalrly well-informed criticism.
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  • Profile picture of the author BiancaRaven
    Again, blind belief seems to be the order of the day. If you choose to blindly believe what you're told by some new age marketers and there films and books. Fine. However, some of us choose to acknowledge and question things that clearly don't add up or don't make any logical sense.
    I find it so very difficult to grasp why people are so harshly judgmental of other people's beliefs. If there are people on this forum who want to believe the tenets set out as part of the LoA, then so be it.

    Could you imagine the back-lash that would ensue if a Warrior came forward and trashed all the Christians for their blind belief in a faith-based system that is about following what a book says? What about the back-lash that would follow if a Warrior spewed negative trash about a Mormon's blind belief in a faith-based system that is about following what a book says?

    Now - these aren't my opinions of religion or religious beliefs. I used them as examples to point out how terribly judgmental some people are when someone is willing to stand up and say something about what they want to believe voluntarily. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's really wrong to denigrate another person's beliefs, no matter what they are.

    Judge not, lest ye be judged.

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  • Profile picture of the author Scorpio1947
    Interesting discussion in this thread. I am fairly new here and stumbled upon it just today.
    As one can expect it is a controversial subject, but then again, the so called secret has never really been a secret throughout history. In our western societies we all have heard the teachings of Jesus Christ, our brethren from the Eastern hemisphere might be more influenced by the teachings of Buddha or the Baghavad Ghita, but in essence they all say the same about how this universe works and what you have to do to build your own future.
    So, I think the book and movie "The Secret" was a good way to make money for the producers and authors, but it does not convey anything one could not find elsewhere and through the ages.
    As to believing or not that the LoA works, I am still not sure if it would work for ME, but I am deeply convinced that our thoughts of today form our tomorrow in the same way as our thoughts of yesterday have formed our present.
    I am also sure that there is a link between what our spirit and mind think and concentrate on and what we then can see in the material world around us.
    As has been said a few times in this thread, it is not easy to consistently apply the knowledge and principles of the LoA in our daily life, and that is why I have not (yet) been successful with it.
    However, I would not dare to claim that this is the reason why this all must be nonsense like some did.
    I´ll be following this discussion in the hope to learn more and eventually get to the point where I can say that it has worked for me.
    Thank you for an inspiring discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author BiancaRaven
    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    Bianca,

    I believe you've made two mistakes:

    1) You're taking the comment out of context. That statement was addressing the insinuation that anyone who doesn't believe in the LOA or dares to question it is ignorant. I see you conveniently left out the last few words of my statement in your quote.
    Fair call. I haven't noticed an insinuation of ignorance for not believing in LoA. I've seen plenty of comments from people saying they can see results after applying a positive focus to their goals. Whether this is an actual attraction issue, or whether the positive mindset and added focus is the cause of the results is the real issue.

    If you feel the need to take offense at this insinuation, then this begs the question, why?

    2) How does pointing out facts and suggesting the LOA is a blind belief (because it's unprovable and has no scientific backing), or even disagreeing with it, denigrate another person's beliefs? I've said it before, if someone chooses to believe in LOA even after knowing the facts. Fine, it's there choice. I haven't stated it's wrong or judged anyone by it.
    -Paul
    Aren't most belief-based religions founded on unprovable, non-scientific backing? This is why it's called 'faith'. Yet I'm certain if I stood up and said I disagree with any people who believe unprovable things because it's a part of their faith, I'd be slammed for my judgmental attitude.

    Would you be happy to post on a Christian or Catholic forum and suggest that theirs is a blind belief because it's unprovable and has no scientific backing? Do you think they'd feel as though you were denigrating their own beliefs by doing this?

    Even after knowing the facts about the contradictory nature of the Bible or the Scriptures or whatever 'good book' you purport to follow, the believers still choose to believe what they want because it makes them happy. Are you going to point out the facts or the contradictions in those for each of their beliefs in turn?

    Or are you just focusing on pointing out the flaws in this one?

    Again, their beliefs are their choice and it's not our place to judge or question anyone else's belief, regardless of how silly or unprovable or unfounded or unrealistic it might seem to you. If it's helping them to get through life easier, then great! Good for them!

    If a silly film/book like the Secret introduced a basic idea that has motivated some people to take control of their lives in a positive way, then this can only be applauded.
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  • Profile picture of the author TomJonsRocks
    I think there's more to the law of attraction then visualizing, but there is definetly something to it. Have you ever noticed how easy it is to attract little things (an extra cup of coffee, a smile from a stranger). It gets complicated when we go for things outside our comfort zone.
    Maybe the trick is to treat it like a muscle. Start small and exercise your powers of attraction each day.
    We will never know what is possible until we explore the impossible!
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  • Profile picture of the author cosmolito
    I absolutely find that the law of attraction works. But the problem is it works against me - or more succinctly put - I work against myself! My subconscious thoughts and feelings (the ones I don't control very well) take precedence over my conscious mind. So I find affirmations and positive thinking only go so far.

    However, over the long term I am making head way because I am meditating more and holding my mind on the things I want in my life more and in turn they are starting to appear more and more. But I still have a ways to go but the fun is in the journey! (So is the suffering but this is decreasing incrementally)

    So my overall message is: DO work with the law of attraction, but don't necessarily expect your life to turn around in a week (though I do believe it can). In other words, don't give up if things don't seem to have changed much on the short term.

    Choose a practice where you are thinking of the HIGHEST good and remember to do it throughout the day and also do 20-60 minutes morning and night sessions and I guarantee you'll see changes.

    The Buddha instructed that you CAN achieve enlightenment in one lifetime but it's gonna take a lot of work/effort/time/energy. People do not become enlightened by positive thinking once in a while - this thing takes practice and a lot of man hours in the process.

    Cheers everyone Thanks for reading.

    I look forward to your responses...
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  • Profile picture of the author Shotgunner
    I think the Law of Attraction may have some truth to it, but it may not have "supernatural" bases. If you work hard and believe in what you are doing, good things are bound to happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    Paul,

    I believe you've made two mistakes:

    1) The fact that you think Bianca was "taking the comment out of context" is simply a belief, therefore it is not true and is only your opinion. After all, if it isn't backed up by scientific evidence, is unprovable and not logical then it can't be true.

    2) Second numbered point, fourty-ninth word. Inproper use of the word "there" as classified by the English dictionary for improper usage. You may want to refer to the following article for some help regarding this matter:

    How to Fix Improper Use of Pronouns | eHow.com

    Finally, no you haven't "stated" that it's wrong or judged anyone by the fact that they choose to believe in something that is not scientifically proven or logical (as according to the Gospel by Paul, chapter 17, verse 21). Good one!

    Instead, you implied it. If you want to be so robotic about this, then I suggest you learn the difference between the words imply and stated, as they imply a similar meaning:

    "Imply is to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith."

    Please, if we here believers are so blinded by the Law of Attraction that we don't know the facts - I invite you to correct us and explain the facts scientifically.

    It's a free world. There's plenty of hatred out there and to get by in life many people need hope, belief and freedom. Now I know those three words don't really exist in your vocabulary, but please take just a few minutes to empathise with others and you might realise why Bianca said what she did.

    The point is, people have the freedom to believe in hope and should not be judged, criticised or even implied to in a way that is negatively influential and derogatory. The problem with scientists and people who live their life by science's rules, is that they fail to respond to things outside of their own way of thinking. In my opinion, many possess a one-dimensional perspective of life and the world around them, thus explaining their inability to communicate correctly with others and "believe" without explanation.

    Thanks,

    Connor

    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    Bianca,

    I believe you've made two mistakes:

    1) You're taking the comment out of context. That statement was addressing the insinuation that anyone who doesn't believe in the LOA or dares to question it is ignorant. I see you conveniently left out the last few words of my statement in your quote.

    2) How does pointing out facts and suggesting the LOA is a blind belief (because it's unprovable and has no scientific backing), or even disagreeing with it, denigrate another person's beliefs? I've said it before, if someone chooses to believe in LOA even after knowing the facts. Fine, it's there choice. I haven't stated it's wrong or judged anyone by it.


    -Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Whether you believe in LOA or not, you have to congratulate its' creator, Rhonda Byrne, for wanting to improve people's lives (which she has) and for lifting people's consciousness to a higher level (which she has).

      And, I think people who ignore everything The Secret and LOA have to teach are missing out on a great deal.

      Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

      The problem with scientists and people who live their life by science's rules, is that they fail to respond to things outside of their own way of thinking.


      That reminds me of the Einstein quotation: "Science without religion is lame."

      Interesting discussion you've created, Conner. I love this part of the forum because people can discuss subjects like this while respecting each other's point of view. Well I try and do that anyway. *Chuckle*
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      • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
        Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

        I love this part of the forum because people can discuss subjects like this while respecting each other's point of view. Well I try and do that anyway. *Chuckle*
        What a pity others don't eh? It seems there's much misconception over a discussion thread and discrimination.

        Great post though and I have to say I agree. Whether the law of the attraction is based on science, religion or whatever... the point is it works. It's great that such a thing does exist, true or not, and credit is due to Rhona for making it public.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
        Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

        That reminds me of the Einstein quotation: "Science without religion is lame."
        Hey, don't forget the second half of the quote:

        "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

        Take your pick... you want to be lame or blind? Lame wins hands down for me 100% of the time.

        My guess is that most in here are not subscribers to Reason magazine or Skeptics magazine.

        The Secret of The Secret - Reason Magazine

        The Secret of The Secret

        A cult self-help DVD fleeces the credulous.


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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          That's a good point Mr. Subtle.

          The problem with Reason Magazine (and similar publications) is that they deal with current, mainstream science. Who's to know whether the audacious claims in The Secret will be proven to be true?

          Mostly they're commentating on the presentation of The Secret. And I completely agree with them. People like Joe Vitale saying "The Universe is your personal catalogue" doesn't lend any credibility to the argument.

          And If they would have said: "We believe that ____________ happens, and we have anecdotal evidence to support that, however it hasn't been proven scientifically as of yet" (and based the movie around that premise) then perhaps there wouldn't have been as much criticism.

          My personal belief is that the basic premise of The Law Of Attraction--meaning that a person's thoughts influence the reality of their lives--is correct. Actually, it's been proven. The question is can a person's thoughts affect something outside of their head? I honestly don't know. I think it could be true.

          On a practical level if people are enjoying more success in their lives because of The Secret and Law Of Attraction then it can only be a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author coreytucker
    Im going to jump in on this topic

    The law of attraction works! I have done many test with it and it does work. I started small and worked my way up. Honestly I have never used it for Online marketing for one reason or another.

    I first started by manifesting an apple to come to me. The next day the apple did indeed come to me without me looking for it or anything. I just happened to be walking and it was placed right in front of me on a napkin on the sidewalk.

    Next I tried small things like getting a dollar and that happened when a old lady for no reason taped me on the shoulder at Mcdonalds and asked if I wanted a dollar to buy some cookies.

    I did more small experiments like trying to manifest a drumstick ice cream cone. 3 days later I was helping my landlord clean the yard and we found a old drumstick laying in the grass that came from who knows where (yea not exactly what I wanted but 1 day later I actually got a drumstick ice cream cone.)

    I did some more small experiments and then worked up to the bigger ones. I moved out to Hollywood to go after my dream of becoming a comedian/actor and made sure to visualize being on a particular show before coming out here. I visualized being on a certain very popular show every night for 2 months before I moved to Hollywood.

    Well guess what happened about 3 months ago? I was basically in the right place at the right time and got on the show I visualized about. Now on on this show 2-3 times per week and it gets an average of nearly 2 million viewers per night and is nationwide on a very popular channel. Its not exactly what I expected to be on the show and im not getting paid much yet. But the producer has already told me he has bigger plans for me on the show so im pumped!

    Im not trying to brag or anything because im not a big star or anything yet. My point here is that the law of attraction works! Basically if things keep going the way they are im going to be actually famous,lol. Its all almost like a dream for me and is amazing!! But im still not there yet and sadly im still barely making enough to even pay my rent. I obviously have lacking beliefs and negative thoughts about money a bit.

    Anyways bottom line is that the LOA works! Not only that but it works in a way where you dont even need to look for your goal. What I mean by this is that it just comes to you! I know it sounds crazy but it actually works that way like magic.

    Basically you just visualize, expect it to happen, have faith and forget about it. When I say forget about it I mean simply forget about it like you would a dentist appointment. You know you have the dentist appointment coming up but your not looking for it.....you just know you have it.

    If your looking for what you want your not going to get it because your in the state of mind of not having it when your looking for it. Also something important to remember is when you visualize that you involve all of your senses.

    I try to put myself in first person just as real life, hear the noises, touch nearby objects, feel the feeling of actually being there and smell whatever is around. I did my visualizations also with music that makes me feel good, music that gives you goosebumps.

    It took me a few years to really get the hang of it. Im not saying im a master at this because sometimes I still fail with certain things for one reason or another. But I promise, most of the time if I spend say at least 5-10 minutes a day before bed visualizing a goal for say 7 days it will most likely happen within a few days to a few months.

    The hardest thing is to stop looking for your manifestations. You just need to visualize it, know its coming and have faith that it will come eventually. At the same time of course you can do whatever it is that you think will bring you closer to your goal. ust don't try to force your manifestation to happen a certain way. I landed a spot on the tv show I spoke of in a totally different way than I expected. I actually thought I knew how I was going to get on the show but it turned out I got "discovered" another way.

    It doesnt matter though, the end result is that I am on the show just like a visualized! Im telling you guys, this LOA stuff really works It takes a while to get the hang of and I advise that you start with something small that you believe will actually happen. Anyways good luck to everyone and hope this was not long winded,lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel E Taylor
    Here's the real secret.

    You're not attracting what you want...

    You are attracting exactly what you are....

    You are not ignorant because you don't believe
    in it...

    You are ignorant when you think everybody who does
    believe in it only does so because of "Blind belief".

    Which indicates that the person thinks that because they
    haven't experienced/witnessed/realized something that
    someone else hasn't either.

    Which indicates profound ignorance because they actually
    think what they have experienced thus far in thier very
    short life span is all that an infinite universe has to offer.

    That my friend is the profound ignorance.

    If you honestly think someone who meditated for 3 years straight
    hasn't experienced things and levels of consciousness you probably
    never have and would have insight on things that are probably beyond
    anything you'd find in a labratory and a microscope...

    Then yes you are ignorant.

    Moral of the story you can't prove it to anyone but
    yourself. So do the meditationa and spiritual practices faithfully
    and see what you discover.

    And arguing with people who obviously haven't done the inner work
    to be able to raise their very low awareness is just a waste of energy.

    They can't see it, so they an only argue on what they know. And anyone
    who has a achieved a high level of consiousness can sit back and just
    smile at thier ignorance.

    Because they can't see it.

    Daniel
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    else is an illusion.

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  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    We all have our belief system, spiritual beliefs, etc., and that's ok, we all have free choice.

    My belief system says that the law of attraction works, it is a law that has been set forth on the earth. I always say that fear is the opposite of faith. If you have faith in something and do your part in believing and achieving it, in one way or another, at some point in your life you will see it!

    If on the other hand, you fear something as you work towards that belief and that fear is always in the back of your mind, the fear wins out.

    There was a King in the OT while in a battle ended up losing that battle and something preciuos to him as well and his reply was, "The thing that I have feared most has come upon me."

    His fear was greater than his faith and that is what he attracted! Just my humble opinion!
    MissTerraK
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    Bianca,

    I believe you've made two mistakes:

    1) You're taking the comment out of context. That statement was addressing the insinuation that anyone who doesn't believe in the LOA or dares to question it is ignorant. I see you conveniently left out the last few words of my statement in your quote.

    2) How does pointing out facts and suggesting the LOA is a blind belief (because it's unprovable and has no scientific backing), or even disagreeing with it, denigrate another person's beliefs? I've said it before, if someone chooses to believe in LOA even after knowing the facts. Fine, it's there choice. I haven't stated it's wrong or judged anyone by it.


    -Paul
    There is a major difference between innocent skepticism and the people who came in here with a clear agenda to troll this thread.

    The Secret does deserve some healthy criticism. I just think you could have done it without telling people they are apart of the "entitlement crowd" (or in Loren Woirhaye's case comparing people who read self-improvement books to "UFO cultists").

    Entitlement Crowd? Is LOA some form of cosmic welfare now? This is an internet marketing forum. Almost everyone here has come to this forum looking to learn internet marketing so they definitely aren't looking for hand outs.

    If people were expecting hocus pocus magic they wouldn't bother coming here to learn.

    Like you acknowledged earlier, there is some psychology at work with LOA.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
      Originally Posted by Sylonious View Post

      If people were expecting hocus pocus magic they wouldn't bother coming here to learn.
      Learn? Maybe. Checking out what The Secret is about... sure. (I saw the vid.) I'm just voicing my opinion and giving those who are clueless (about the vid) a HEADS UP that there are snake oil salesmen out there.

      I'm a big believer in placebos. They work... until the person finds out it's just a lame sugar pill. Then the "magic" disappears.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
    Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

    Learn? Maybe. Checking out what The Secret is about... sure. (I saw the vid.) I'm just voicing my opinion and giving those who are clueless (about the vid) a HEADS UP that there are snake oil salesmen out there.

    I'm a big believer in placebos. They work... until the person finds out it's just a lame sugar pill. Then the "magic" disappears.
    Coming to the Warrior Forum to learn internet marketing not to learn about The Secret. You took that out of context.

    Respond to my last post directed at you...

    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    If you mean me...Troll? No. The agenda was to stop this thread from becoming a one-sided me-too thread that could mislead others who are watching who have yet to make up their minds about the secret. Just as others in this thread have their own agendas.
    That's like writing a book review for a book you have not read. Either try it and tell us it didn't work or at least recommend something better. There are plenty of practical and logical self-improvement books that you could have recommended instead.

    This section of the forum is about self-improvement so it's logical for us to expect someone to contribute to this thread by helping others and making book recommendations.

    Originally Posted by Paul M View Post

    Where exactly did I tell anyone they are part of the entitlement crowd? I said the secret "especially appeals to the entitlement crowd", I then even pointed out I wasn't aiming that comment at anyone with this: "Not saying you're part of the entitlement crowd."

    I think you may have misunderstood what I mean by entitlement crowd. Entitlement thinking is an individuals belief that they're entitled to have their wants and needs met. This is why i think a theory where the universe helps you get what you want would appeal to that group. Again, I never made any connection to people in this thread or on this forum as being members of the "entitlement crowd."
    The connection was made to people who are open to the concept of LOA.

    So what your saying is people should just blindly believe what they're told by a few marketers who have spun an old idea, added in some pseudo quantum physics and new age thinking, and repackaged it as a secret. The "law of attraction" isn't even a law. It's a theory at best, another religion at worst. Only this one slants more towards personal (material) gain which especially appeals to the entitlement crowd.

    Not saying you're part of the entitlement crowd or it's wrong to believe in it. It's your choice, but does that mean it shouldn't be questioned?
    Elaborate on that. Entitled to material gains without working for it? Entitled to more than the next guy? What? Are we all supposed to stick to our own fair share?

    Are rich people rich because they worked harder than the rest of us? I'd like your philosophy on life. How do we get from point a to point b?

    Luck? Hard Work?

    Or are we just stuck in our place since birth? Darwinism, survival of the fittest, right?

    Do I come to an internet marketing forum because I feel entitled to make sales or get that top SERP?

    If you really want to contribute you should at least try to help other people. Are there any atheist friendly self-improvement books you can recommend?
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