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More income? AND More happiness?

by GordonJ
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Internet Marketing IS about making money, MORE of it for most of us.

MORE happiness may come along with it, but, as a list of lottery winners who either committed suicide or wound up worse than before they won, shows us...having more money DOESN'T mean more happiness, right?

I like to think you can have both, without ill effects. Many choose PASSION over income, and that is good for them. Others choose grind and effort in pursuit of both more money and a time somewhere down the line, where they will be happy.

Recently, a young guy posted about how he could get his LAMBO, I guess he believes he would really be successful and HAPPY once he owned it.

Making money is relatively easy, once you know how. BEING happy, may not be so easy, no matter what income level you are at.

What do you all think? Do you believe more money is going to bring with it more happiness? I especially would like to hear from newbies and beginners, those who have not yet conquered the whole money making thing.

Thanks,

GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author jmosticc22
    Most of humanity thinks that getting a large sum of money will automatically solve all of your problems, this simplify isn't the case. What I believe is if your mind is right, money can buy freedom and freedom can buy you happiness. You can't just go straight to happiness, the world isn't that kind.
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      Originally Posted by jmosticc22 View Post

      Most of humanity thinks that getting a large sum of money will automatically solve all of your problems, this simplify isn't the case. What I believe is if your mind is right, money can buy freedom and freedom can buy you happiness. You can't just go straight to happiness, the world isn't that kind.
      Trust me $ solves everything.

      Been there done that but at the end of the day, like old folks said, it's the money the makes the world go round.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      The mindset play a crucial role in succeding in internet marketing .If you have a bad mindset now matterbhow hard you try you will not succed
      What is success? In Internet Marketing, isn't success subjective?

      Originally Posted by theDarkKnightMarketer View Post

      Money isn't everything, but everything costs $$

      So I guess to live the good life, you need the money.

      On the other hand, being happy is a different topic.

      You can't buy happiness or sadness. It's a mindset thing.
      What is the good life?

      Originally Posted by dpwilliams View Post

      Happiness is completely in the head. Nothing makes you happy. You either are or you're not.

      Deb
      Another vote for the two being UNrelated. One does not effect the other, right?

      Originally Posted by LucasLT View Post

      Studies have shown that happiness is directly correlated to your income (in the United States) until about $70,000/year. After that any increase in income has no direct increase in happiness.
      I'm skeptical of this, how about a citation as suggested?

      Originally Posted by palmtreelife View Post

      We've been talking about "success" in another thread and a lot of the talk there overlaps with "happiness". Happiness can only be defined by you. It's relative and does not depend on money.

      For me, getting financially compensated for doing something that I LOVE to do is true happiness. The money puts good food on the table, provides good health care, and outsources annoying tasks, which allow me to create a balanced life with my family and my passions.
      So, compensation somehow AMPLIFIES your happiness? Would you do the same task you love if the compensations were far apart, or do you have a minimum compensation?

      Originally Posted by litonkrl View Post

      Money can buy everything but happiness has no explanation, may be you have not much money but feeling happy!
      Are you saying you can't explain happiness but you know it when you feel it?

      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      Be happy first by addressing deep fears and by choosing to follow your passion. As the fears dissolve and your passion expands, more money flows in as your happiness grows, too. But the happiness and money are independent of one another. 2 different effects out of the cause of generously serving people.
      Well, yes, but like the 7 blind men and the elephant, those who grab the tail and think it is a snake, and being by the butt hole, stinks, may have FEAR to overcome. But not everyone has "deep fears". It is your anecdotal experience, and MAY be right for many, but it is a very narrow perspective.

      Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

      I enjoy the process of being able to say to myself "look, I did that" more than anything else.

      In reality, I'm just sharing the fact that I am proud of myself because I created something in the digital realm that essentially created money for me. To me, the building is the reward. The money is just the by-product.
      So you would create something in the digital realm just for happiness without wanting money? Sort of goes against the whole Internet Marketing concept doesn't it?



      Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

      It may not bring happiness but it definitely solves a whole lot of misery.

      I should add that most of the stories involving lottery winners that end tragically have a common theme - some sort of addiction, usually drugs. Chances are, no amount of money was ever going to bring those people happiness.
      I didn't find the common thread of drug addiction in my research of lottery winners who ended up broke or worse, I think that is an assumption on your part. Many, if not most, don't know how to deal with the money, they don't know how to act, or what they want from it. Sure, some spend it all on addictions, but those could include many things other than drugs.

      Originally Posted by senupal View Post

      Money is only resource trading. you can buy many things by money but not buy happiness,relations, feelings, truth,friend. these values you can make without money
      Russian brides, Filipina brides, and human trafficking throughout the world says there is a huge market for BUYING relationships, feelings.

      Originally Posted by jmosticc22 View Post

      Most of humanity thinks that getting a large sum of money will automatically solve all of your problems, this simplify isn't the case. What I believe is if your mind is right, money can buy freedom and freedom can buy you happiness. You can't just go straight to happiness, the world isn't that kind.
      I'm not big on what MOST of humanity thinks, how do you know? How do you know that getting a large sum of money would NOT solve their problems? What you believe and what most of HUMANITY believes, and what is your mind is right?

      What does that mean, "if your mind is right"?


      There appears to be two big camps, one where money and happiness have nothing to do with each other, and the other where they do.

      And a few mixed bags of ideas. We're at an Internet Marketing forum where there is a presumption of visitors and members having an interest in MAKING money online.

      Maybe those who spend 5 to 11 years on the QUEST to making a living income from IM are HAPPY with their journey, or by some accounts, they should be.

      My opinion is the majority don't know either what they want from the money they make and they don't know what their happiness is.

      We see a lot of people seeking PLEASURE and it is often mistaken for happiness.

      But then, as the thread is indicating, happiness is unmeasurable and only YOU know what that means to YOU, is this right?


      Please, comment more or elaborate if inclined.

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      • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        I didn't find the common thread of drug addiction in my research of lottery winners who ended up broke or worse, I think that is an assumption on your part. Many, if not most, don't know how to deal with the money, they don't know how to act, or what they want from it. Sure, some spend it all on addictions, but those could include many things other than drugs.
        Well, I did. In more than 3/4 of the cases I read about, money was blown on gambling or drugs (and in some cases, high end prostitutes) and I believe that I said "some sort of addiction", but did not say it was exclusively drugs.

        Sure, there are always going to be morons who blow money as quickly as it came. Tons of professional boxers and rock stars fit that bill. Money doesn't fix stupid and stupidity rarely leads to a ton of happiness - with or without money. Lower income people disproportionally play lottery games compared to upper income people. Not saying that all lower income people are stupid but in most cases, they made some pretty poor life choices. It's not surprising that those poor decisions continue after a lottery win.

        Ask your average person what they would do if they won $10 million and after saying they would quit their job, they tell you the things they would spend it on. Talk to someone who is well disciplined and has a plan for their life the same question, and they'll tell you something like "I'd invest the whole thing conservatively and be happy with a 5% return on my investment, living off $500,000/year for the rest of my life and having that $10 million nest egg still sitting there, untouched." And, I bet you the guy who invested it was happier than the other people before AND after the windfall.
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        • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
          Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

          In more than 3/4 of the cases I read about, money was blown on gambling or drugs (and in some cases, high end prostitutes) ...
          Reflections of a High End Prostitoot

          2019 was the year that changed my life. I was down to my last dime, browbeaten an' bummed out ... serious bad nooz. Nuthin' was workin' out, nuthin' was gowin' noplace, an' evry time I looked in the mirror I saw a gal growin' unhappier by the day.

          That's when I took up high end prostitootin'.

          Was it desperation? Inspiration? Or simply bcs I had the shoes?

          Anyways, in my first week, I earned $95,000. From jus' the one guy. An' the weird thing is, I nevah even got to disrobe provocatively.

          Soon as the guy walked into my high end boodwah, he said, "I'm not here for like ... yanno. I'm just lonely, is all."

          "Mebbe you should go get a dog," I said. "Those babies will love ya forevah."

          "Yeah," he replied, "but it's just slavish devotion. What I need is companionship with deep and soulful meaning."

          "So you opted for a wallet-drainin' hookah?"

          Tears burst from the guy's eyeballs like Niagara. "You ... you remind me of Mom ..."

          Turned out the guy was loaded, but his money could nevah save him from his demons. See, cos his Mom died when he was 5 -- an' it was all his fault.

          He recalls playin' with a buncha toy soldiers on the livin' room carpet. An' in his head, he was the General, leadin' his men around the perilous mountain terrain of his Mom's furniture.

          "Let's climb to the very top, " he yelled, tuggin' on a rope leadin way up high. Only it wasn't no rope -- it was the cord on his Mom's iron. Natchrlly, her reflexes kicked in, an' she kept the iron from plummetin' onto her son's face. But she also kicked her ironin' board, an' it snapped shut on her skirt ... sent her stumblin' across the room ... an' outta the 30th floor window of her apartment building.

          "The experience killed me inside," said the guy. "I felt so helpless as she tumbled out the window, her screams searing through my head as one with the hiiiiiiiiissssssss of my bazooka squadron going up in clouds of black smoke."

          That's when I realised money can't buy happiness -- despite I now had 27 TVs an' more bras than we got boobies on the frickin' planet.

          So I gave up prostitootin' an' went back to my regular low maintenance unhappiness.

          But now evry time Mom calls to remind me I am the worst kinda ditzbrain evah, I am minded to reflect on the luxury of wantin' to strangle her as a teen.

          What value is there in stormin' outta the house in a ripped T shirt jus' to P off Mom ... if'n there ain't no Mom to P?
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

          Well, I did. In more than 3/4 of the cases I read about, money was blown on gambling or drugs (and in some cases, high end prostitutes) and I believe that I said "some sort of addiction", but did not say it was exclusively drugs.
          Haste makes me wrong. You ARE right. My research was faulty. I stand corrected.

          I also learned how epidemic the drug problem really is. I think we are doomed.

          When I win the lottery, I'll bet (and give odds) that less than half my winnings will go to drugs and high end escorts (prostitutes are so prosaic and for the hoi polloi).

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      • Profile picture of the author palmtreelife
        So, compensation somehow AMPLIFIES your happiness? Would you do the same task you love if the compensations were far apart, or do you have a minimum compensation?
        I don't believe "amplify" is the correct word....or....maybe it's true. I have a lot to be grateful for in my life right now. I express that gratitude privately each day. I'm happy. However, there are things I want to experience that I cannot do without additional income.

        My perfect day consists of spending a significant amount of time with friends and family, enjoying their company. I want to experience and learn about different cultures and cuisines by physically being there in that part of the world. I would love to start my own foundation to build schools, start sports programs, build clean water wells and fund scholarships for under privileged kids.

        I'm not ashamed to say I'm working hard to make more money. I know my heart is in the right place with that statement. It always has been in the right place in terms of income goals. The things I want to do with my life require money. There are good things I want to do with that money that I can't do a this moment.

        If I die having built these foundations, completed these big projects, changed lives for the better and sent more kids to school, I will feel happier than if I did not do those things. I could still die happy, but I would be happier and more fulfilled having done those things....and those things require money. What I don't want is to die with a massive bank account. That is pointless.

        So hopefully that clarifies your question that yes, money would amplify my happiness, but not simply because I have more money. It's what I want to do with that money that creates the additional happiness.

        Good discussions here!
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by palmtreelife View Post

          ... there are things I want to experience that I cannot do without additional income.

          My perfect day

          I want to experience and learn about different cultures and cuisines by physically being there in that part of the world.

          I would love to start my own foundation to build schools, start sports programs, build clean water wells and fund scholarships for under privileged kids.

          I'm not ashamed to say I'm working hard to make more money. I know my heart is in the right place with that statement. It always has been in the right place in terms of income goals. The things I want to do with my life require money. There are good things I want to do with that money that I can't do a this moment.

          If I die having built these foundations, completed these big projects, changed lives for the better and sent more kids to school, I will feel happier than if I did not do those things. I could still die happy, but I would be happier and more fulfilled having done those things....and those things require money. What I don't want is to die with a massive bank account. That is pointless.

          So hopefully that clarifies your question that yes, money would amplify my happiness, but not simply because I have more money. It's what I want to do with that money that creates the additional happiness.

          Good discussions here!
          Why would anyone be ashamed with the idea of working hard to make more money? As you have shown, there are worthy objectives, and much good work can be done by those who HAVE money, and have worked hard (ala OPRAH) go get it and put it to their idea of good works.

          IT IS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO with

          the MORE money part of the question.

          And, it was intended to bring out some discussions, some good ideas. I don't think very many Warriors have a negative idea about making MORE MONEY, we all have our own ideas on what to do with the excess, which is self determined too.

          A better world, that is always a worthy motivation.

          The great Harry Chapin used to give 50% of his income to good works, like WORLD HUNGER.

          And I would hope most Warriors would make contributions above and beyond their own wants and needs. And the flip side of that is, there is nothing wrong with wanting a Maserati or Lambo, or a big boat, yacht or home even.

          What we would like to do is get to the HOW PART of the income and happiness. This thread has shown there are diverse opinions on the happiness part, and research has shown us there is a correlation to income and happiness...

          now we have to cut the time down. My personal front (keeping all things WAR, Warrior, and those sort of metaphors going, albeit not my choice, the forum sort of has it in the title)...

          so in the WAR of Internet Marketing, it bothers me to see the 5 to 11 year crowd continuously touting the idea it takes THAT MUCH time to achieve IM success.

          Success in general is subjective, but by using DOLLAR AMOUNTS and now we have some from a research study...we can focus on the HOW.

          And my contention is, the TIME it takes to reach those goals can be greatly reduced via THOUGHT and PLANNING, and when one eliminates the two to four years of shiny objects, worthless WSO's, this guru's way, that way, this blueprint, that system, etc., etc.

          That when a person LAUNCHES their IM plan after spending no more than 60 days of analysis as to what would be THEIR best choice of the HOW...

          there is not a good reason, the goals can't be reached in half or less than half of the time we often see here about the struggle to make IM work.

          Set a goal. In dollars.

          Research ways to make those dollars. Compare the tasks needed for each way.

          CHOOSE a way, Put a plan in motion, make adjustments and use INCOME as the measuring stick of your success. If one selects 100 dollars a day as their goal, and 5 months have gone by and they aren't at 50 dollars a day, some adjustment might be in order, or maybe they are right on track to get there.

          Making MORE money comes after making SOME money, and whether or not that can be scaled up, depends on the way chosen.

          I think we all can AMP up our happiness with some ideas of giving and sharing and making the world a better place, as best we can. But being poor and desperate isn't much help to anyone.

          The HOW starts with the choices made, after due diligence and taking into account personal strengths and weaknesses.

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      • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        So you would create something in the digital realm just for happiness without wanting money? Sort of goes against the whole Internet Marketing concept doesn't it?
        You are now 2 for 2 at COMPLETELY missing my point.

        If I make $1000 in a month from creating a digital product and selling it, it is more satisfying to me then making $5000 in a month from going to an uninspiring job.

        I like the notification sound that my phone makes when I make a sale more then the actual money itself.

        It's hard to explain, but achieving the goals I'm after regarding IM is the true reward for me, not the actual money.

        My Goal: Create a product or multiple products in my niche that gets me to a point where I'm making $5000/month on a consistent basis. That achievement would bring me a sense of satisfaction.

        If I only cared about the $5000 part, I would just go back to working full-time as a mechanical engineer. That would not meet the full criteria of my ultimate goal though.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

          You are now 2 for 2 at COMPLETELY missing my point.

          If I make $1000 in a month from creating a digital product and selling it, it is more satisfying to me then making $5000 in a month from going to an uninspiring job.

          I like the notification sound that my phone makes when I make a sale more then the actual money itself.

          It's hard to explain, but achieving the goals I'm after regarding IM is the true reward for me, not the actual money.

          My Goal: Create a product or multiple products in my niche that gets me to a point where I'm making $5000/month on a consistent basis. That achievement would bring me a sense of satisfaction.

          If I only cared about the $5000 part, I would just go back to working full-time as a mechanical engineer. That would not meet the full criteria of my ultimate goal though.
          To go 3 for 3. I think I can, I BELIEVE I can. We'll see, eh?

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          • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            To go 3 for 3. I think I can, I BELIEVE I can. We'll see, eh?

            GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author senupal
    Money is only resource trading. you can buy many things by money but not buy happiness,relations, feelings, truth,friend. these values you can make without money
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    It may not bring happiness but it definitely solves a whole lot of misery.

    I should add that most of the stories involving lottery winners that end tragically have a common theme - some sort of addiction, usually drugs. Chances are, no amount of money was ever going to bring those people happiness.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    I enjoy the process of being able to say to myself "look, I did that" more than anything else.

    Sometimes, I feel like my friends may think I'm bragging when I say, "hey, I made X dollars from my website this month!"

    In reality, I'm just sharing the fact that I am proud of myself because I created something in the digital realm that essentially created money for me. To me, the building is the reward. The money is just the by-product.
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    Be happy first by addressing deep fears and by choosing to follow your passion. As the fears dissolve and your passion expands, more money flows in as your happiness grows, too. But the happiness and money are independent of one another. 2 different effects out of the cause of generously serving people.
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    Money can buy everything but happiness has no explanation, may be you have not much money but feeling happy!
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  • Profile picture of the author palmtreelife
    We've been talking about "success" in another thread and a lot of the talk there overlaps with "happiness". Happiness can only be defined by you. It's relative and does not depend on money.

    I think we can all remember a time when we didn't have a lot of money, and pick out an event or day or moment when we were extremely happy. How long do you have to be happy for to say you're a happy person or live a happy life?

    A lot of people earn a lot of money, and when they get that increase or that big paycheck, they're happy in that moment. It eventually wears off like a drug because it's not a new feeling anymore. Yes, it accumulates. A car is purchased (maybe 2). A house is purchased (maybe 2). New clothes. A few trips. Then what?

    Many choose PASSION over income, and that is good for them
    It's good if they're truly happy, but there are some people out there who have arts degrees because they were passionate about the arts, and now they struggle to find people to pay for their creations or a job that pays more than $7/hr. I think the advice of "follow your passions" is dangerous advice.

    If someone is choosing to live in a world, connected to society, I believe it's important to find something that you can tolerate that pays adequately. It can be a job, a business, whatever. During time off, chase your passions with everything you have. That will provide balance, but also can lead to more lucrative opportunities once the passion is crafted and mastered, which then means leaving the job and going full time in that passion.

    For me, getting financially compensated for doing something that I LOVE to do is true happiness. The money puts good food on the table, provides good health care, and outsources annoying tasks, which allow me to create a balanced life with my family and my passions.
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  • Profile picture of the author LucasLT
    Studies have shown that happiness is directly correlated to your income (in the United States) until about $70,000/year. After that any increase in income has no direct increase in happiness.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by LucasLT View Post

      Studies have shown that happiness is directly correlated to your income (in the United States) until about $70,000/year. After that any increase in income has no direct increase in happiness.
      Can you provide a link to any one of these studies?

      It will be interesting to see how at least one of them was conducted and how they reached a conclusion - particularly one which correlates with another study.
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  • Profile picture of the author dpwilliams
    Happiness is completely in the head. Nothing makes you happy. You either are or you're not.


    Ever tried to make someone that is unhappy...happy?


    Can't be done.


    It's also very hard to make a happy person unhappy.


    Of course I'm not talking about death, injury, and illness.


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  • Profile picture of the author theDarkKnightMarketer
    Money isn't everything, but everything costs $$

    So I guess to live the good life, you need the money.

    On the other hand, being happy is a different topic.

    You can't buy happiness or sadness. It's a mindset thing.
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    The mindset play a crucial role in succeding in internet marketing .If you have a bad mindset now matterbhow hard you try you will not succed
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Interesting question.

    I think sometimes it depends on what a Person does with their money. (Personally, I would love to help out my Friends, Family, and donate loads to Charity and other good causes ...)

    As for being "happy" etc. I think it also depends on how a Person makes their money.

    If they're really providing value to People, and adding to their lives somehow, then that's something to feel good about IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Interesting question.

      I think sometimes it depends on what a Person does with their money. (Personally, I would love to help out my Friends, Family, and donate loads to Charity and other good causes ...)

      As for being "happy" etc. I think it also depends on how a Person makes their money.

      If they're really providing value to People, and adding to their lives somehow, then that's something to feel good about IMO.
      Sure, helping others may be as close to a universal desire as there is, once one HAS the money beyond their needs.

      But what is VALUE to people? Pet rocks, fidget spinners, fart makers etc. have value too.

      So what do you mean by providing value to people, adding WHAT to their lives?

      And is'nt everything a 'SOMETIMES' proposition? So a guy who works his ass off for 60 hours a week for five years is going to be happier than the guy who spends a buck and wins a million in the lottery? Or is that SOMETIMES.

      Passion, doing what one loves to do, liking it, or even not hating it...all adds to the happiness of making the money.

      Does one, really depend on the other? Many say NO, not at all.

      Is it really just a personal thing?

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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        So what do you mean by providing value to people, adding WHAT to their lives?
        I can't speak for everyone, however I'm working on a Personal Development/LOA Website which is ― essentially -- to "empower" and "inspire" People. (Along with a library of free eBooks ...)

        Basically I'm providing them with important knowledge and information ... That they can use to be more successful in Life (etc.)
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          I can't speak for everyone, however I'm working on a Personal Development/LOA Website which is ― essentially -- to "empower" and "inspire" People. (Along with a library of free eBooks ...)

          Basically I'm providing them with important knowledge and information ... That they can use to be more successful in Life (etc.)
          You want to EMPOWER and Inspire people. You have unique information and knowledge, something that isn't out there already?

          And again, "they can be more SUCCESSFUL in life"? What is the measurement of success?

          What sort of POWER will you give them that they don't already have? There are 1001 websites about LOA, what are you bringing new OR different to the mix?

          Success. MORE. What are we talking about here? Will your site help them make more money? Is that part of their success in life? If so, how? If not, WHY?

          Will people be happier or wealthier after visiting your website?

          See, the idea is does happiness depend on, or is it irrelevant to making money or having financial security whatever that means to someone.

          I'd like to know more about your website to come? How is it different?

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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            You want to EMPOWER and Inspire people. You have unique information and knowledge, something that isn't out there already?
            There's loads of great information out there. Sometimes it's how it's marketed/presented that makes it successful.

            And again, "they can be more SUCCESSFUL in life"? What is the measurement of success?
            Good question. For me "success" would mean: "Personal fulfilment, high/healthy self-esteem, spiritual maturity, character development, and self-actualization. And if I can help People a little bit it would be great.

            What sort of POWER will you give them that they don't already have? There are 1001 websites about LOA, what are you bringing new OR different to the mix?
            Just a different/valuable twist

            Success. MORE. What are we talking about here? Will your site help them make more money? Is that part of their success in life? If so, how? If not, WHY?

            Will people be happier or wealthier after visiting your website?
            I hope so. We'll see what happens.

            I'd like to know more about your website to come? How is it different?
            Still building it.
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              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Still building it. : )
              It must have more information than the Library of Congress. You've been building it for years. :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author George Flm
    That's why they call it: life-changing income.

    Because all of your desires will materialize and you'll be capable to live life to the fullest.

    I highly recommend that you find a focus group where others contribute to your growth.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by George Flm View Post

      That's why they call it: life-changing income.

      Because all of your desires will materialize and you'll be capable to live life to the fullest.

      I highly recommend that you find a focus group where others contribute to your growth.
      As noted in OP, lottery winners have LIFE CHANGING income, and that sometimes leads to tragedy, even death. Having desires materialize has nothing to do with a full life, and even that is subjective, is it not?

      A group with a focus on growth? What does that mean? Short people who want to play basketball?

      What sort of growth are you referring to?

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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Link to the 70k study article in Times: Study: Money Buys Happiness When Income Is $75,000 - TIME.


    Note it was written in 2010 and, based on a more recent article about happiness study, money's lost a big chunk of power: in 2018, the happiness threshold was $105k according to USATodau: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...uch/374119002/


    This is the link to the study USAToday is using/mentioning: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0277-0


    And here's a link to a study from 2010 that says high income helps with quality of life but not with happiness: https://www.pnas.org/content/107/38/16489,



    Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

    Can you provide a link to any one of these studies?

    It will be interesting to see how at least one of them was conducted and how they reached a conclusion - particularly one which correlates with another study.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      Link to the 70k study article in Times: Study: Money Buys Happiness When Income Is $75,000 - TIME.


      Note it was written in 2010 and, based on a more recent article about happiness study, money's lost a big chunk of power: in 2018, the happiness threshold was $105k according to USATodau: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...uch/374119002/


      This is the link to the study USAToday is using/mentioning: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0277-0


      And here's a link to a study from 2010 that says high income helps with quality of life but not with happiness: https://www.pnas.org/content/107/38/16489,
      Thank you.

      NOW we have some figures to toss around. Let's start with 75k and 105k.

      In USA avg. salary is roughly half the 75 thousand dollars, around 36k. So for many Warriors who want to replace their job, and your country may be less expensive, so adjust as needed...

      you would need to make 3 thousand dollars a month (X 12= 36) or about 100 bux a day. Sound doable?

      Now this is approx. an 18 dollar (USA) an hour job working 2k hours a year.

      So an avg. of 100 dollars a day with your IM will give you a chance to replace your job. Do you think you need five to seven years to get to 100 dollars a day?

      My OPINION, anyone reading this, anywhere in the world, should be able to get 100 bux a day of IM income in two years or less working 10 hours a week to do so. Today's avg. cost of the first 10 WSO (AM EST) is around 50 dollars. So a Warrior with a WSO of 50 would need to do 2 a day.

      The top listed WSOs at the time of this post have 160 dollar and 199 dollar price tags. So, BELIEVING you can do 100 a day isn't a huge stretch is it?

      But that only replaces a job, to get to HAPPINESS, you need 75 to 105, or about 200 bux a day to about 290 dollars a day.

      Well, this is simplistic math, of course, but the numbers shouldn't fill anyone with great FEAR...three hundred dollars a day of IM income gives you MONEY and HAPPINESS.

      And there are plenty of Warriors who easily do that.

      I'm trying to understand the people who take 5 to 11 years of fiddle farting around with IM who just can't seem to make any money.

      300 dollars a day of IM income and getting it in 20 hours a week, should make 80% of the Warrior population HAPPY and with some coin in the pocket too.

      Too much of a dream for YOU???

      There is always going to be an argument, or discussion about PASSION, and doing what one loves, or at least likes vs, just making the dough. They aren't mutually exclusive.

      You can do both, or you can set up semi automatic profit centers to pull in the dough, while you walk the beaches.

      Thanks to all who participate in the discussion, your opinion is important, if we want to make the WF a place of healthy debate, profitable discussion and an exchange of ideas and information. You are appreciated.

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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        I think a small number do not have the ability, while most lack focus (they are not motivated enough or they're depressed, or something like that). Or, else, they're too busy with something else and, in 5 years, the total number of hours is just not enough to put up a site, choose a good offer, market said offer.


        If you are focused and put in enough time (which would vary by person but, if you do nothing else all day, a few months ought to be enough to get you your mortgage and a sandwich), baring mental capacity (the few), there's no reason why not.


        So, it's got to be either depressed (and, therefore, unable to focus) or not sufficiently motivated or you don't believe it can work (for you) and you skip steps or don't push it to the end.



        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        I'm trying to understand the people who take 5 to 11 years of fiddle farting around with IM who just can't seem to make any money.


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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          I think a small number do not have the ability, while most lack focus (they are not motivated enough or they're depressed, or something like that). Or, else, they're too busy with something else and, in 5 years, the total number of hours is just not enough to put up a site, choose a good offer, market said offer.


          If you are focused and put in enough time (which would vary by person but, if you do nothing else all day, a few months ought to be enough to get you your mortgage and a sandwich), baring mental capacity (the few), there's no reason why not.


          So, it's got to be either depressed (and, therefore, unable to focus) or not sufficiently motivated or you don't believe it can work (for you) and you skip steps or don't push it to the end.
          Yes. Although, I might argue a larger number do not have the ability.

          Because, lack of focus, or motivation are the debilitating factors. As old friend Joe Karbo used to say, "most people are too busy earning a living, they don't have time to make any money"...I would adjust that to "they don't MAKE THE TIME to make any money."

          I agree with you, but feel there is a deeper lack, and it may be educational. Today's education say of an average American high school isn't anywhere near what it was back in the day. My high school was above average, and huge, 3,000 kids in three grades. But even we at the bottom of the class, like me, at 763 out of 950, rec'd a basic education whether we wanted one or not.

          I could read, write, do simple math. And the high school business classes of 50 years ago provided a solid FOUNDATION of understanding what commerce and capitalism were about.

          Basically, I knew at 18 these 3 things:

          1) You don't get paid for doing nothing, there are no free lunches.

          2) There must be a TRANSACTION, which is an agreed upon exchange of value.

          3) One size doesn't fit all. I knew cause my older brother's hand me downs were much too big, but I and my younger brother had to wear them or go naked.

          Today, I think even these basics are missing from the many people who come here looking and hoping they can make a buck from this INTERNET thing. And they come bombarded with STORIES, a 1001 versions of the Hero's Journey...

          Down and broke, no money, no hope blah, blah, blah
          THEN,

          PRESTO chango, abracadbra, their darkness became lighted with bright gold coins.

          Did I say 1001? More like 1000001 stories, followed by the PLAN, blueprint the foot steps in the sand to follow.

          I agree they come UNprepared to do what they need to do. Not only do they lack motivation and focus, they lack an education as to how the world actually works.

          And maybe, MAYBE, it is easier to flounder, wander in the dry desert of lack, to pretend and to wish...than to actually DO what needs to be done.

          As for the How? The beginning answer is...what if anything of VALUE do you bring with you to the marketplace?
          Bring a value.

          Bring VALUE, instead of WANT, and success gets excited about meeting you.

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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            Not quite sure how to put this, but from seeing nephews and nieces, it seems, a lot of the time, what they lack is the ability to see themselves having done... how success at a particular thing feels/looks from inside themselves... which cuts down on motivation...



            Postponing gratification for success as an internet marketer, when you don't really see how success as an internet marketer looks is hard... The slightest bump, and you're off track.


            And, yeah, they have gaps in what they know when they're done with school.


            They don't even know they have the gaps, which makes is so much worse... They don't even know what to ask...


            And they get bored so fast.


            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            Yes. Although, I might argue a larger number do not have the ability.

            Because, lack of focus, or motivation are the debilitating factors. As old friend Joe Karbo used to say, "most people are too busy earning a living, they don't have time to make any money"...I would adjust that to "they don't MAKE THE TIME to make any money."

            I agree with you, but feel there is a deeper lack, and it may be educational. Today's education say of an average American high school isn't anywhere near what it was back in the day. My high school was above average, and huge, 3,000 kids in three grades. But even we at the bottom of the class, like me, at 763 out of 950, rec'd a basic education whether we wanted one or not.

            I could read, write, do simple math. And the high school business classes of 50 years ago provided a solid FOUNDATION of understanding what commerce and capitalism were about.

            Basically, I knew at 18 these 3 things:

            1) You don't get paid for doing nothing, there are no free lunches.

            2) There must be a TRANSACTION, which is an agreed upon exchange of value.

            3) One size doesn't fit all. I knew cause my older brother's hand me downs were much too big, but I and my younger brother had to wear them or go naked.

            Today, I think even these basics are missing from the many people who come here looking and hoping they can make a buck from this INTERNET thing. And they come bombarded with STORIES, a 1001 versions of the Hero's Journey...

            Down and broke, no money, no hope blah, blah, blah
            THEN,

            PRESTO chango, abracadbra, their darkness became lighted with bright gold coins.

            Did I say 1001? More like 1000001 stories, followed by the PLAN, blueprint the foot steps in the sand to follow.

            I agree they come UNprepared to do what they need to do. Not only do they lack motivation and focus, they lack an education as to how the world actually works.

            And maybe, MAYBE, it is easier to flounder, wander in the dry desert of lack, to pretend and to wish...than to actually DO what needs to be done.

            As for the How? The beginning answer is...what if anything of VALUE do you bring with you to the marketplace?
            Bring a value.

            Bring VALUE, instead of WANT, and success gets excited about meeting you.

            GordonJ
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by DABK View Post

              Not quite sure how to put this, but from seeing nephews and nieces, it seems, a lot of the time, what they lack is the ability to see themselves having done... how success at a particular thing feels/looks from inside themselves... which cuts down on motivation...



              Postponing gratification for success as an internet marketer, when you don't really see how success as an internet marketer looks is hard... The slightest bump, and you're off track.


              And, yeah, they have gaps in what they know when they're done with school.


              They don't even know they have the gaps, which makes is so much worse... They don't even know what to ask...


              And they get bored so fast.
              For the youngins and the newbs in IM, I advocate quick, albeit, small success.

              I go by the YMCA and see those little kids tumbling and jumping and having a blast...and then the older group comes in, and you see them on gymnastic equip, like the high bar or the horse or balance beam, and they fall off, fall off, fall off, and then not so much.

              The youngest kids in class can see the older kids and from that get a sense of what is possible. IF they stay the course. Some, perhaps many, will drop out, take up dance, or volleyball, or today...GAMING. Sort of sad from my old man perspective to see kids under 10 spending so much time on gaming and TV.

              My daughter babysat recently and they wanted to watch CHEERS on TV. She was baffled, did they mean a new game? NO, they had seen the TV show and now have a DVD collection and like to watch CHEERS. When they aren't killing zombies or each other on some game of the week.

              When kids get any interest at all in something, I think it a good idea to give them some success. It is why TEE BALL comes before slow pitch.

              With IM, if a new person doesn't make some quick and relatively easy money they get discouraged, and jump to the next shiny thing.

              So, make the bumps small, easy to get over, and then make them bigger and bigger. IF the IM gurus really showed how much TIME and MONEY they spend to be all that...the average Warrior would run away and never return. Which is why the pitch for quick and easy is so pervasive in promotions.

              If an educated adult doesn't intervene in childhood development, we get "piggy" from LORD OF THE FLIES and the current environment isn't far from that.

              Bullies rule the world today. But there is hope, isn't there?

              GordonJ

              PS. IMer's should learn to make a quick buck, before they buy their Maserati, and spend their millions. The path to millions is paved with dollar bills.
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              • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                So, make the bumps small, easy to get over, and then make them bigger and bigger.

                Before INFLATED GAZONGZ comes ACTSCHWL FLESH, I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    Depending on the country, the 75k flagpost kinda makes sense.



    Most of my friends would be perfectly happy with 75k. I in fact am the only one offline I know who wouldn't be happy with just 75k.


    I don't think that 10 millions is "life changing".


    The lottery is usually spread over 20 years in Canada so you have to take inflation into account as well--- so its really 50 k yearly on top of your current income Not chump change for most but hardly the MTV lifestyle the lottery operators suggest.



    My guess is that the winners that lose it all believed in the "bottles and models" marketing while in fact it is much less. Financial illiteracy is rampant.



    Between 75k and 150k or even 300 k lifestyle isn't CRAZY different. The 125 k guy will have a bigger pool.The 300 k guy might have a membership at the Royal Montreal golf club and a boat.



    But if you don't like swimming or you don't like Golf and boating, who cares?

    At least in Canada, your kids will hang out together regardless.
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  • Profile picture of the author brucey666
    Well yeah go after what you want, well for me i want to be an entrepreneur and make a lot of money so that i can get almost anything that i want.

    I am pretty sure that having more money will make you happier than being broke though, in marriage case, 50% of divorce comes from money problem, and remember that we live in an economic world so having a lot of money will give you a big advantage in life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Augustinus
    Well, of course, I work, for money. But I love the idea that I can help people find what they need and fulfill their needs. Of course money will not make me instantly happy but will take care of some needs like a food, rent etc
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I've been happy with money - and happy without money.


    I prefer 'with'.


    Love the old saying that money can't buy happiness - but it can buy a big boat so you can sail up real close to happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Manu
    Money is simply a tool. It amplifies what we have inside.

    We can use it to build something (a beautiful life, a great business, a nice home), or we can use it to destroy ourselves or others.

    More income translated into more happiness only if the income is used right. If not, it can mean more problems.

    Some people feel happy having no money while others are miserable having millions. I guess it all starts from inside, and it only grows from that point forward.

    My personal preference in getting more money is to learn to be happy without, make money, and then learn how to be happy with it.

    Interestingly enough, some people don't take the 3rd step, so they unconsciously lose all the money to get back to the part where they were happy without money.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by King Manu View Post


      More income translated into more happiness only if the income is used right.
      What is the right use of income? WHO determines this?


      Originally Posted by satvikg View Post

      Well, more money doesn't hurt in any way!
      Many studies of lottery winners says it DOES. Including suicides and other hurtful self-destructive behaviors.

      Not just lottery winners, but also those who come into sudden wealth, or abundance via other means.

      MORE money, can and DOES hurt in many ways. Sure, it shouldn't and we all think it wouldn't hurt US, but sadly, more money often brings more problems too.


      Originally Posted by nowservingpixels View Post

      I think what's always made me happiest is having something to look forward to -- some kind of goal that I'm eagerly working towards that makes me excited to get out of bed in the morning and get to work. So it's not so much that money has made me happy, but rather the pursuit of it. Going from poverty to six figures in a matter of 4 years was one hell of a ride, and to say it made me happy would be an understatement.
      Very good. NOW, knowing what you know today, could you replicate your success and do it in 3 years? And more importantly, do you think anyone could get to six figures in four years? If so, how would you advise them to do so?

      Do you now keep adjusting or adding to your goals, so you are always in pursuit of them?


      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      Or, perhaps, in favor of happiness increases via mind games.

      Damn those Joneses!
      It's the Smith's for me.

      Some might say happiness IS a mind game.

      But thanks to your links, to some very good research, we have some numbers to toss around. And why not use those figures as GOALS, and then looking at the WAYS in IM to make those most likely, fastest, most efficient?

      One person says he went from poverty to six figures in 4 years. I think that is rare, but there is a lot of evidence that says 5-6 years MOST people who have chosen the right vehicle can arrive at that destination.

      I do think ANYONE reading this can hit the 3k a month, 36k a year mark in 2.5 years.

      HOW?

      Well, look at the WF. TOP recurring advice to newbies is: 1) AFFILIATE marketing and 2) Freelancing to get started. These are usually referred to when people are desperate and want/need money NOW. And little sums can be made this way pretty quickly. Some would argue VERY little sums.

      But say you are a longer term thinker, and want to replace a job, and then make IM your main source of income.

      What does a 6 figure AFFILIATE marketer have to do? The ones I know of, for realz, have taken a LOT OF TIME to get to that point. And most continue to do a LOT OF WORK, which they probably enjoy or like, or at the least don't mind.

      What does a new person have to do to get three thousand a month in AFFILIATE income? Well, a rough guess would say, you have to sell $6,000.00 of product, to collect a 50% income.

      So, to make it faster, you would find higher % affiliate programs and then sell fewer of them, right?

      But here is the problem, you are competing with untold numbers of other affiliates all selling the same thing. Makes it kind of harder, unless you have other marketing skills, like superior copywriting skills. And if that is the case, you very quickly find out you can do better with those skills, or better still by offering your own affiliate program.

      My opinion, but I'd love to hear from those who started affiliate marketing in the last couple of years and ARE hitting the three thousand dollar a month income level...anyone?...my opinion is, affiliate marketing is one of the worst ways to get higher income amounts in the shortest possible time.

      Same problem with freelancing, competing at the very lowest levels for a period of time to build up reputation, and get the gigs. TIME. It takes TIME.

      And we want to have a plan which is DOABLE, and helps us reach our goals.

      Newer Warriors are unfamiliar with some of the old crowd, especially those who got the Google slap down and went from 6 figures a year to 4 a year in a matter of months BECAUSE they built their business on the shifting sands of someone's site they had no control over.

      If you want to save a couple of YEARS of time, then take 30 to 60 days to examine all the possibilities you have, and use DOLLAR amounts as goals, asking yourself what you will have to do to bring in X amount of money on a regular basis.

      The 3k a month is roughly 100 bux a day, so what will you offer, at what cost, and with what kind of profit to get that transaction?

      Of course, if you KNOW or have a passion, you might want to take a look at what you could do with it, and how does it translate into dollars? One way is to look for other people who are doing something similar.

      Another consideration in your quest is whether or not you want clients, or people interaction. Many here will say you need to establish relationships, but that is your choice. You could just sell products, which don't need any relationship, one example is toilet paper.

      Or razors. A mundane everyday item found at Dollar Trees, yet some have built multi-million dollar businesses selling the lowly razor, and that has to do more with marketing than relationships (although some might argue, these companies do establish some sort of a relationship with the buyer). But these are just a couple of products out of millions which do not need any client relationships.

      So, it happens in the very BEGINNING, when you decide to get into IM, and the normal path is to spend money on things like WSO's, or courses, blueprints, plans, etc., on making money things. And this path is what leads to those extra 2 to 3 years of struggle and frustration so common at the WF.

      Choose a way to make YOUR money, and use dollar amounts as the way to measure how much time, energy, cost is involved until you manifest your 5 or 6, or 7 figure income on your lifeline.


      Originally Posted by Monica8297 View Post

      If you have a bad mindset now matterbhow hard you try you will not succed. The mindset play a crucial role in succeding in internet marketing.
      Yea. Maybe.

      But what is a BAD mindset. And what is the "right" mindset for success, of course, what is success?

      Yes, what one thinks about, what is on their minds determines what actions to take or not to take. But just to utter "bad mindset", is to utter nonsense, unless you tell us what it means.

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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    In addition to the 70k (105k), I think there are other barriers to happiness from extra income. Specifically, if my income goes up 20k a year but the Joneses' income goes up $50k, I will not be as happy as if the Joneses' went up 5k.

    In addition, after a while, I will get used to the idea of making 20k more a year, so my happiness will fade some.

    So, I think extra income = extra felicity forever and ever more if one of two things happen:

    the Jonese' almost catch up with me, then my income goes up again; in a cycle to perpetuity (or till senility hits);


    iI become extra creative and use some of my extra income to set up pleasant surprises ad nauseam, so to speak;

    I turn the acquiring of the extra income into mini games that I win... short enough that they keep me interested (I am, of course, part of the instant-gratification world, so long games are a no-no of the first order). (This is, in a way, a subset of the previous point... yet different enough to deserve its own paragraph.)

    A while back, I looked up income statistics for my city and nearby cities: in some postal routes, the average yearly income was 55k; two routes east or west, there were 106k'ers; a few routes were 84k... In other words, for a lot of people around here it is easy to get unhappy over money because the Jones' make more.

    In other words, it looks like the world is set up against happiness increases via income increases. Or, perhaps, in favor of happiness increases via mind games.

    Damn those Joneses!
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  • Profile picture of the author nowservingpixels
    I think what's always made me happiest is having something to look forward to -- some kind of goal that I'm eagerly working towards that makes me excited to get out of bed in the morning and get to work. So it's not so much that money has made me happy, but rather the pursuit of it. Going from poverty to six figures in a matter of 4 years was one hell of a ride, and to say it made me happy would be an understatement.
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  • Profile picture of the author satvikg
    Well, more money doesn't hurt in any way!
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  • Profile picture of the author Monica8297
    If you have a bad mindset now matterbhow hard you try you will not succed. The mindset play a crucial role in succeding in internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author IGotMine
    It's true that money can't buy happiness, but it can damn sure rent you some first-class accommodations!

    "Happiness" for lack of a better word is tied to self-esteem. Self-esteem is tied to a person's "center." Self-centered people generally have the lowest self-esteem. People who are other-centered have the highest self-esteem. My take? The less you care about your own "happiness" the happier you are.

    But then I'm a dope-smoking, Jack Daniels-swilling narcissist with delusions (or are they) of grandeur and a perma-grin.
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  • Profile picture of the author cearionmarie
    Money can get you a lot of things, and surely it can make your life a lot more convenient. But what is to pursue when you have a lot of money and have everything that money can buy?

    "I think everybody should get rich and famous and do everything they ever dreamed of so they can see that it's not the answer"?
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  • Profile picture of the author cashperbiz
    I wouldn't want to think about money all the time. When you don't have enough money, that is what is in your mind. How am I going to pay my bills this month. For every thing you want to do you need money. What should I do? I know a lot of people who have made lots of money and they keep making more. Some of them are happy and some others are not. So it is essential to make money and also keep our relationships with people around in good stead. Buying a Lamb may make some jealous. Not sharing your wealth will make you unpopular. Happiness has no definition. Happiness is a state of mind. When you choose to be happy everything falls in place and you become happy. Some times even when you don't have money to pay your bills you can still be happy. One can not give a conclusive answer for this.
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  • Profile picture of the author naviown
    Money is a very powerful tool. It can buy you house, car or any other nice stuff. BUT.
    In my opinion, you need to learn how to 'have' money. It can easily destroy you.

    From the first view it looks amazing to have big bank account, but you need to be careful with he money.
    It can make so much damage to your psychology and mindset.

    What you need to know and to try to reach is freedom. Do not work for money, money should work for you. Try to build a passive income stream and do not chase $$$.

    Just imagine. What is better:

    1. To work all day long, from early morning to late night. Don't have much free time. Don't have time to spend with your family. BUT you making $100k monthly, you have huge house, three lambos.

    2. Working 1-2 hours per day or even not working at all. Have free time to do your favorite stuff, hobbies. Spend time with your family. But you earning $3k per month. You have pretty nice house too, nice car.

    I would chose second option for sure.

    What about you?
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    - You accept the $50 per hour!
    - You work a standard 40 hour work week! (5) 8 hr days or (4) 10 hour days
    - You Earn $2000 per week! (gross pay)
    - You work 50 weeks per YEAR!
    - You're Gross Annual earnings = $100,000 per year!

    - Lastly, YOU WORK 10 YEARS!!!
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    Sounds delicious... You should be HAPPY as a PIG in SHIT, right?

    Well, truth is... you could live decent - provided you NEVER

    - Fall ill
    - Get injured
    - Get laid off
    - Get fired
    - Sleep with Your Boss/Co-Workers/Secretary? or The Janitor! -or any number of potential fatal crisis's happen!

    Seriously though,

    What does it cost YOU to "Go to Work?" & "Earn a 6-Figure Income?" and "Afford the Costs of Living?"

    - Taxes (Fed, State, SS, Sales taxes, etc.)
    - Housing (rent/mortgage?)
    - Utilities (water, electric, internet, phone, cable?)
    - Transportation (financing?, gas, fuel, oil, maint, insurance?... Bus, Train, Uber, Lyft, Bike, etc.)
    - Health & Well-being (food, drink, insurance?, meds, supplements, Red Bull, Monster, COFFEE!!!, etc.)
    - Hygiene (laundry, soap, toothpaste, TP, and all that stuff!)
    - Cell Phone/Smart Phone/ Communications/GPS/Laptop/Tablet, etc)
    - Basic maintenance, car repairs, tires, towing, etc.
    - Home maintenance/HOA fees/ Upgrades (lawn care, pool care, paint, etc.)
    - Clothing/Attire/Presentation - (be physically presentable)
    - Education/Knowledge/ Continued Learning/Self-Improvement, etc.
    - Household shit (furniture, pillow top, air mattress, cot, etc.)
    - Kitchen & Bath (Gotta eat, shower, shit, and shave, right?) Stuff breaks, Leaks, Overflows...
    - You get the gist, I imagine(?)

    These are just the most basics...

    What about...

    - Getting engaged?, Married?, divorced?
    - Having Child(ren)? Biological, Adopted, Siblings?
    - Household pets, Farm animals, Lizards, exotics, fish tanks?
    - Holidays, Birthdays, Special Occasions??? (Marriage, Anniversary, Vacations?)
    - Drugs (legally prescribed or street farmed), Alcohol, Gambling, Sex fetishes, etc...
    - 10% Savings -or- Chosen Investments/Retirement Plan? (*Rainy DAZE)
    - Spiritual Pursuits, Tithe with God?, Charitable donations, etc.
    - Daily lunch, Cappuccino, Frappe', Latte'... Iced Mocha Frapachino?
    - Tools, make-up, acne cream, Preparation H, Airborne, etc...

    God forbid, you're physically, mentally, or spiritually challenged...

    - Dr's, Shrinks, Exorcists, Physical therapy,MORE DRUGS, surgery???

    But... let's not forget, you'll probably "WANT TO" jump ship and try and start your own business, after all, nobody likes making someone else rich...

    If you do decide to "Go for Broke" and gamble on a traditional business model... Let's not even get into all the legalities, licensing, insurances, liabilities, side-effects, or risk of investing in a building, lease, inventory, signage, advertising, etc.

    Odds are probable... if you get through all that jazz...and are still breathing after babysitting a few employees/clients/students; Then COFFEE, caffeine, drugs, alcohol, and the NOW 80-100+ work week is likely going to fry you!

    The point being, most people DO NOT make $50 per hour, $100K per year, or do so for 10 years straight!!!

    Even if you did, that cool $1 Million Dollars over 10 YEARS... would likely be consumed & devoured by the aforementioned and list items above.

    Honestly, you probably couldn't afford all of it without adding a few promissory notes, bank financing, credit cards, loans, or some hefty interest payments.

    Now you've really committed yourself to the habitual insanity of chasing paper to pay the principle, and maybe a little interest!

    According to present statistics, to be in the TOP 1% earner's bracket as of 2018, requires a household income of $380,000 (I believe it was!)

    ... even then, a large percentage of the TOP 1% are financing their lifestyle, go figure!

    As far as "BEING HAPPY" well that's up to YOU...

    Money might make you happy, but after spending over 20 years of my youthful existence chasing those $100k years, running a business, having 3 children, pit bulls, a decent woman by my side, and head full of stubborn determination to "BEAT THE SYSTEM" - I can tell you this;

    I was happier when I NEVER had time to stop and think... I was too busy, too apathetic, and couldn't give 2 shits less what everyone else said, did, or thought...I didn't listen...unless it benefited my family, my beliefs, ideals, and addictions.

    After all, if we do what the majority does... what hope for happiness would there be???

    Sadly, upon sobering up, having a spiritual awakening, and inheriting empathy for the vast majority of humanity...

    I've concluded; I was far happier when I simply didn't give AF, stayed 1/2 baked, and I was rolling with a few G's in my pocket on the daily grind!

    I was happy when the BILLS were all paid.

    Meanwhile, there's primitive people still living on this planet who have absolutely no concept of money... and I for one believe; they are probably more grateful, appreciative, and overall happier running naked and free!!!

    To each their own, I suppose!

    Yes, Gordon finding the balance... of being happy and having money, sounds absolutely delightful - better still, having money AND the time to enjoy it... would be ideal!
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  • Profile picture of the author Monica8297
    The mindset play a crucial role in succeeding in internet marketing. If you have a bad mindset now matter show hard you try you will not succecd.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    My worst evah vacation?

    Spendin' zillions crap loadsa sh*t on a STOOPID SHIP gowin' NOPLACE with a buncha IDLE LOSERS got NUTHIN' TO SAY.

    Tellya, next time ima CRUISIN', prolly ima flop out on my bed in my panties with A HOPELESSLY MIXED COCKTAIL an' NOT CARE how this ain't EGYPT (fulla miraculously historicatorial PYRAMIDS dishin' MUMMIFIED CATS) aw bcs hey I wanna lift up my toes fronta my stoopid window an' kinda twinkle 'em around cos they ain't stompin' or tiptoein' noplace zilcho to do with MOI.

    YOUR LEGS MAKE THIS POSSIBLE, O PRINCESS?
    I guess so.

    My favo game is to trace out the window shape with my big toe while I flopped out on my ass, an' ima hopin' to level up to CEILING or CACTUS TOPPA MY REFRIGERATOR.

    Prolly I should be STOMPIN' or KICKIN' PEOPLE IN THE TITS, but I so love how I got toes I can direct through space as a soulful ditz in a potentially meaningless void.

    Plus also, seems I got the TV workin' again for a guy on my floor, an' nowan ain't been brainsucked half to death in sufficient numbers we dissin' ZAAAHMBIE APOCALYPSE as fake nooz.


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  • Profile picture of the author Monica8297
    Money can buy everything but happiness has no explanation, may be you have not much money but feeling happy!
    Thank you for your post.
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  • Profile picture of the author DripRevenue
    Money is likely just going to make you more of who you already are. If you are a kind person and get joy from helping others and being charitable, you will do that even more. If you are arrogant and self-absorbed, you will continue to be miserable... and just happen to have a lot of money. Of course, you have a lot of options for cutting corners when you have money (in most cases), but it would be ridiculous to think that money can solve all problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by palmtreelife View Post

      We've been talking about "success" in another thread and a lot of the talk there overlaps with "happiness". Happiness can only be defined by you. It's relative and does not depend on money.

      I think we can all remember a time when we didn't have a lot of money, and pick out an event or day or moment when we were extremely happy. How long do you have to be happy for to say you're a happy person or live a happy life?

      A lot of people earn a lot of money, and when they get that increase or that big paycheck, they're happy in that moment. It eventually wears off like a drug because it's not a new feeling anymore. Yes, it accumulates. A car is purchased (maybe 2). A house is purchased (maybe 2). New clothes. A few trips. Then what?

      It's good if they're truly happy, but there are some people out there who have arts degrees because they were passionate about the arts, and now they struggle to find people to pay for their creations or a job that pays more than $7/hr. I think the advice of "follow your passions" is dangerous advice.
      Phew, l think that writing must make you happy after getting through this war and piece thread.

      The things make you happy idea, is a hard one to answer, since they do. But a new house in a few years will be yeah, it is nice but so what.

      Although l am sure that being in that house when a storm is brewing outside would make you think that l am glad l have this house.

      Car the same thing, initially it is a new toy, but in 10 years you would be thinking oh hum, but it is a nice car still.

      My car is from 1988, and eventhough a lot of things don't work on it anymore l still enjoy driving it, or appreciate having it. Sounds dangerously close to being happy?

      So ballpark happy is probably enough for most.

      And doing what you love, reminds me of someone on tv who bought a bowling alley recently and obviously people are going to save for a meal of pay electricity over doing that, so his passion has put him in a million dollar debt, or he was close to being bankrupt.

      He got help to dig himself out, but up to that point, since he enjoyed the business kept borrowing more and more while doing very little to actually make the business more profitable.

      A bit like a drunk buying more boose to cure a hangover.

      As they say, you will cry less in a luxery BMW than a rust bucket Beetle.

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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      Originally Posted by Oddah

      stepping off the roof and falling to your death .. is not using gravity wrong .. there is no right way or wrong way to use law of attraction ..


      Well, I'd say since suicide is deemed wrong by .... hmmm... virtually every culture besides emo goth kids,


      well, ehm, yes I would say that using gravity to commit suicide by stepping off a building is very much a wrong use of gravity. Another wrongful use of gravity would be this one:



      E.g. Suppose you were a firefighter, and you're tasked to save a baby from a burning building by throwing it unto a trampoline below



      ...but...


      you're a lousy thrower and the baby goes splat against the pavement instead. That is also also a very very wrong use of gravity, regardless of your noble intentions.



      Another wrongful use of LOA would be this one.

      E.g. suppose terrorists plant a bomb near you. You use LOA to call an EOD tech but you use it wrong and the SWAT sends somebody that cheated on his entrance exams and is colorblind.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Very true.

      With this in mind, on a tangent, I'm always reminded of something which struck me some years ago. It brilliantly demonstrated that a lot of people just don't understand this concept.

      From what I recall, Peter Green of the early Fleetwood Mac was summoned into a cult one night at an event and ended up taking a dose of LSD which put his mind in a completely different paradigm.

      During this 'shift', which commonly diminishes the selfishness of ego, Peter Green declared that a revelation had hit him and it was his mission to get to a third world country as soon as possible to provide assistance to people.

      This, judged by family, friends and reflectively the press, this idea marked as his entry into madness.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        From what I recall, Peter Green of the early Fleetwood Mac was summoned into a cult one night at an event and ended up taking a dose of LSD which put his mind in a completely different paradigm.
        For what it's worth, I had a terrible experience with drugs that messed my Life up for 10 years. However looking back it was a good experience. I honestly believe that any bad experience can ultimately be good.
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          For what it's worth, I had a terrible experience with drugs that messed my Life up for 10 years.
          2C

          Without meaning to offend, that actually explains a lot of your posting behavior.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

            Without meaning to offend, that actually explains a lot of your posting behaviour.
            Not sure what you mean: Please elaborate.
            : )
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            • Profile picture of the author socialentry
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Not sure what you mean: Please elaborate.
              : )

              I have no idea why would a sane person be that much into self-help,

              but if you have something as destructive as drugs in your life, it makes sense that you would turn to a defacto ersatz religion.

              I find it regrettable, but at least you're not destroying your own society (and yourself) while on drugs so at least that is positive.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                I have no idea why would a sane person be that much into self-help,
                Well for me Personal Development books have been really helpful/beneficial. Maybe I got off to a "bad" start in Life ...

                but if you have something as destructive as drugs in your life, it makes sense that you would turn to a defacto ersatz religion.
                Like I already said: That was several years ago,

                I find it regrettable, but at least you're not destroying your own society (and yourself) while on drugs so at least that is positive.
                Again. You misread my post.
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                • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  Well for me Personal Development books have been really helpful/beneficial. Maybe I got off to a "bad" start in Life ...

                  Like I already said: That was several years ago,

                  Again. You misread my post.



                  Nope. I understood you were sober.


                  That's why I said:"you're not destroying your own society (and yourself)...so at least that is positive."
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                    That's why I said:"you're not destroying your own society (and yourself)...so at least that is positive."
                    Lol.
                    Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with a Person having the occasional drink now and again. Definitely nothing close to "Destroying your own society (etc.)" ...
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                    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      Lol.
                      Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with a Person having the occasional drink now and again.

                      Ok well good luck with your sobriety then.


                      You will need a great deal of it.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                        Ok well good luck with your sobriety then.
                        Thanks. : )
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                      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                        You've just described a paradigm which reflects altruism (which I agree with), so why do you regard it as 'toxic'?

                        Isn't it ultimately rewarding?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                          You've just described a paradigm which reflects altruism (which I agree with), so why do you regard it as 'toxic'?

                          Isn't it ultimately rewarding?
                          remove ultimately and replace it with immediately or inherently or favor trading . i give up for you because you gave up in the past or i expect you to give up for me in the future . or what i am getting out of it now is far more pleasant then what other think i am giving up ..

                          thankfully you used the word ultimately which is like a score card.. if i do enough altruist act ultimately i will get some reward ..
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                      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                        130+ posts and 2700+ views on a topic with no 'right or wrong' answer...gotta love it
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                        • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
                          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                          130+ posts and 2700+ views on a topic with no 'right or wrong' answer...gotta love it

                          Gotta figure "The Perfect Bra" is imminent.
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                        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                          130+ posts and 2700+ views on a topic with no 'right or wrong' answer...gotta love it
                          to catch up with: What to do when you are desperate.

                          https://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...desperate.html

                          At least with that one, a "right" answer, QUIT being desperate (as stated by many a sunshine pollyanna of the group).

                          It is my central goal, a burning desire, my one true purpose...to be a WF icon.

                          But it is hard.

                          GordonJ

                          PS to the Princess...the perfect bra is found...
                          in the fireplace where it belongs.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


                            PS to the Princess...the perfect bra is found...
                            in the fireplace where it belongs.
                            one thing i miss about working in the hangover costume on the vegas strip..is chatting with the showgirls who where standing in g-string bottoms and pasties ..and occasionally working with them ..

                            many time i din't make that much..cause things where slow ..but the view was spectacular.

                            the girls doing that on good night easily made a few hundred dollars in 4 hours no lewd actions lol
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                I have no idea why would a sane person be that much into self-help,

                but if you have something as destructive as drugs in your life, it makes sense that you would turn to a defacto ersatz religion.

                I find it regrettable, but at least you're not destroying your own society (and yourself) while on drugs so at least that is positive.
                society destroyed the people..then find some way to makes as much money from them as possible.. wether.. from prescribed drugs.. or throwing them in some for profit prison fror a few years ..for 30,000-60,000 UsD a year.. or chargeing them with a felony and greatly reducing their employment prospect and restricting where they can live ..or travel..

                when how you feel is just broken down to a chemical state..and corporations can make lots of profits dishing out feel better pills..and get the government to bab other feel better chemicals ..

                It is a destroyed society that is the problem ..
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          For what it's worth, I had a terrible experience with drugs that messed my Life up for 10 years. However looking back it was a good experience. I honestly believe that any bad experience can ultimately be good.
          2C
          It was really just highlighting the fact that people to blame insanity or stupidity when someone suggests a personal radical, idea, that they themselves possibly don't even give thought to because they can't fathom the concept of unity and altruism, until they need same people as a crutch when things go wrong for them.

          Peter Green was very ill - by any measure and he lost a good chunk of life and a career.

          I can't take liberty to assume what effects or drugs you mean, since there's many, though it's good that you've you've forged the experience into a lesson.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

            It was really just highlighting the fact that people to blame insanity or stupidity when someone suggests a personal radical, idea, that they themselves possibly don't even give thought to because they can't fathom the concept of unity and altruism, until they need same people as a crutch when things go wrong for them.

            Peter Green was very ill - by any measure and he lost a good chunk of life and a career.

            I can't take liberty to assume what effects or drugs you mean, since there's many, though it's good that you've you've forged the experience into a lesson.
            this is only my view at this point..and it is rapidly shifting so..

            i like this view.. but once one expands the self behind the confine of the body .. altruism dissapears ... and actions that actually improve and help other people in their lives..the benefit both parties in some way ..are even more ideal and heavenly experiences..

            then attempting to build up good people points through charity and altruism.

            give a man a fish every day.. he eats every day.. and you can feel like a really good person..

            teach him ten men to fish lease them some fishing equipment and buy their extra fish.. then sell those fish at a profit .. it makes things better .. for everyone.

            decide to give people the money to buy things they neeed.. you feel like a good person.. espesially if you are stealing the money from the guy selling the fish he is buying from the poor people he taught to fish .

            in nature the lions serve the herd but eating the weaker members of the pack so only the strong healthy member thrive and reproduce .. humans kill the biggest and strongest members leaving the sicker weaker members to breed and creat week sik populations of animals ..

            as humans the strongest are supposed to help the weakest get stronger ..that is the source or real happiness
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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              this is only my view at this point..and it is rapidly shifting so..

              i like this view.. but once one expands the self behind the confine of the body .. altruism dissapears ... and actions that actually improve and help other people in their lives..the benefit both parties in some way ..are even more ideal and heavenly experiences..
              I'm in agreement with this, and realised my post was typed incorrectly.

              I meant that people don't understand the concept of unity through altruism.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                I'm in agreement with this, and realised my post was typed incorrectly.

                I meant that people don't understand the concept of unity through altruism.
                at the point i am at there is no altruism or trying to be altruistic it actually toxic ..

                you should do things that help other people ..that you get a lot of pleasure out of doing..not that imply suffering or sacrifice to do for other people ..that seemingly have no benefit..but are done out of guilt..or some attempt at scoring good people points ..

                find ways to serve others you enjoy and or are fun.. or don't bother . you serve the unity and the oness of creation more if you throw of the addiction to suffering
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  • Profile picture of the author wizbiz
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    What do you all think? Do you believe more money is going to bring with it more happiness? I especially would like to hear from newbies and beginners, those who have not yet conquered the whole money making thing.

    Thanks,

    GordonJ

    It's very good topic, if you smart enough and think outside the box, you will figure out that we all leave in ILLUSION.. What "Money" you talking about?
    Do you know that Dollar is not money and not even a "Dollar".. if you really look up Legal Definition what is the "Dollar" Here you go:


    "Dollar Law and Legal Definition. ... Dollars or units were equal in value of a Spanish milled dollar and contained 371 grains and four sixteenth parts of a grain of pure or 416 grains of standard silver. Pursuant to the Act, the United States dollar was designated as the unit of currency of the United States."


    So, is that DESCRIPTION looks anywhere close or similar to what you have in your pocket now??? Heck no... You holding a BAG my friend... What you have is a "Monopoly Game" coupons/tokens... Foreign Private Bank Promissory Notes (Yes, Promise to pay NEVER)...

    And Every step you start digging from there, you will realize, that's it's all deception and Illusion... Did you ever
    watch Matrix movie? Time to watch over again... SO? Would you feel more
    happier, if I cut you some paper clips with happy faces? or print some Zeros
    in your "Account"? It's all depends on your perception... See what I mean?
    It's all Fake, - illusion.. The only true Value is LOVE and Friendship, everything else is meaningless... In this WORLD, my Friend, Everything is PRE-PAID! Jesus paid for our sins(DEBT), everything else is Lie and Deception.. It's not prepaid for you, because you are a Slave and wasn't told how to operate properly, they do not teach this in school.. There is no lawful Money in US since 1933, but of course you have no clue about that... Not their fault either...

    For the rest of us, we just have to play the GAME, most still sleeping and blind all the way, you got great Game Masters, who are making sure everyone keep comfortably sleeping and keep "Paying" for cars and mortgages 3x over and over again, which already been paid on the spot right after Promissory Note/Contract (as good as "cash") is singed and deposited, then securitized and sold second time.



    When you get closer to the End, just remember this post and see if you change your mind then

    about what is really valuable...
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by wizbiz View Post

      It's very good topic, if you smart enough and think outside the box, you will figure out that we all leave in ILLUSION.. What "Money" you talking about?
      Do you know that Dollar is not money and not even a "Dollar".. if you really look up Legal Definition what is the "Dollar" Here you go:


      "Dollar Law and Legal Definition. ... Dollars or units were equal in value of a Spanish milled dollar and contained 371 grains and four sixteenth parts of a grain of pure or 416 grains of standard silver. Pursuant to the Act, the United States dollar was designated as the unit of currency of the United States."


      So, is that DESCRIPTION looks anywhere close or similar to what you have in your pocket now??? Heck no... You holding a BAG my friend... What you have is a "Monopoly Game" coupons/tokens... Foreign Private Bank Promissory Notes (Yes, Promise to pay NEVER)...

      And Every step you start digging from there, you will realize, that's it's all deception and Illusion... Did you ever
      watch Matrix movie? Time to watch over again... SO? Would you feel more
      happier, if I cut you some paper clips with happy faces? or print some Zeros
      in your "Account"? It's all depends on your perception... See what I mean?
      It's all Fake, - illusion.. The only true Value is LOVE and Friendship, everything else is meaningless... In this WORLD, my Friend, Everything is PRE-PAID! Jesus paid for our sins(DEBT), everything else is Lie and Deception.. It's not prepaid for you, because you are a Slave and wasn't told how to operate properly, they do not teach this in school.. There is no lawful Money in US since 1933, but of course you have no clue about that... Not their fault either...

      For the rest of us, we just have to play the GAME, most still sleeping and blind all the way, you got great Game Masters, who are making sure everyone keep comfortably sleeping and keep "Paying" for cars and mortgages 3x over and over again, which already been paid on the spot right after Promissory Note/Contract (as good as "cash") is singed and deposited, then securitized and sold second time.



      When you get closer to the End, just remember this post and see if you change your mind then

      about what is really valuable...
      Interesting philosophy, I too share a similar vision and belief.

      After all, if 99% of the world's inhabitants (past & present) remain "under the influence" - of others and the 'SYSTEMS' they built...

      Is it really ANY wonder WHY so few acquire enough 'resources' to sustain a meaningful, purpose-driven life - fueled in abundance???

      The facts you state about 'promissory notes, loans, credit, currency, etc...' all date back' long before 1933... as China (*look up Marco Polo, Silk Road, Promissory Notes, Kublai Khan, paper currency, INFLATION, etc.) - it's all built upon and programmed by the 'perceived value' of what 'each' resource is worth to humanity & our survial!

      Often... the greater the resources NEED preserve life, the greater the cost!

      From the Big 3...

      - Politics
      - Academics
      ...and;
      - (Most) Religions...(*not all, but most!)

      *All contain age-old influences used to program (*conform) generations of people for all recorded history.

      It's all PAR for the course, as the Scales of Time, Money, and POWER... were NEVER designed, built, or intended to SERVE the majorities well-being or meet the public's greater interests.

      MONEY... and the INFLUENCE it holds was created - by others, with both a promise & a threat.

      You can use 'this currency' to purchase, buy, sell, and barter at market to obtain the resources you'll need to sustain a civilized existence...

      But, upon accepting this MONEY - you will be taxed, pay interest, and accept... It all belongs to us, the gov, bank, proprietors of power...

      Abuse this 'gift' (promissory note/money/privilege???) and you will be severely punished...

      Yet those who abuse the system... are the ones who created it, to SERVE themselves!

      People think... The President can do whatever he wants... as if; he holds the power!... Meanwhile, he needs permission from above, and I'm not referring to God!

      The REAL WORLD LEADERS... influence, control, and have successful 'programmed' the majority to believe the SYSTEMS in-place, serves the majorities interests and well-being...

      That's a LIE we all know exists, but are clueless as to how to remedy the extent of the problem!

      God forbid, the 99% should ever decide; they've been abused long enough...

      What would the world look like "IF" - The People actually acknowledged; "The Writing on the Wall" and stopped accepting; What's truly "Robbing them of their Rightful Inheritance???" (i.e. piece of mind, self-actualization, & attuned to their own true freedoms!)

      I feel your pain... Empathy for humanity is an awakening I've yet find means to put back to sleep!

      Godspeed... as Led Zeppelin so boldly wrote; "All will be revealed!" (reference, the song; "Kashmir")
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  • Profile picture of the author offmarketinvestor
    B*S*. try and be happy with no money in the bank, can't pay bills..can't take kids on holiday, etc...

    If you cannot be happy rich there is something mentally wrong with you to start with. Money cannot fix that but it could pay for a top shrink to help.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by offmarketinvestor View Post

      B*S*. try and be happy with no money in the bank, can't pay bills..can't take kids on holiday, etc...
      I'm sure there are thousands upon thousands of people in the world who have never experienced any of those things and they lead a happy and fulfilling life.

      One of the most valuable traits to make money is having a scope which extends beyond the needs and conditions of oneself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by offmarketinvestor View Post

      B*S*. try and be happy with no money in the bank, can't pay bills..can't take kids on holiday, etc.
      Good point: I Agree. A certain amount of money does bring happiness and security.
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        Good point: I Agree. A certain amount of money does bring happiness and security.
        Maybe. But what is at issue is your "CERTAIN AMOUNT", of money. We have established some figures based on research.

        I feel the argument for or against money vs. happiness is of a personal ideal, and not all that relevant to the conversation at this point, although there will be those that insist on hitting the nail a few more times once it has been hammered into the wood.

        Happiness and security are also defined individually.

        The Warrior Forum is about digital MARKETING, which means, to 99% here, making more money.

        My issue is, and has been for years...why it takes so long for so many to reach those income goals which make a difference, whatever the CERTAIN AMOUNT is.

        Thirty six thousand dollars (USA) a year is 3k a month, and it would be the first level of success for most IMer's. Then 100k a year. Or 8.5k per month.

        So it would be good for the forum if we didn't post the same personal view several times in the same thread. Wouldn't it?

        HOW can a Warrior get to 36k a year in two to three years and 100k in 3 to 5, whether that makes them happy or miserable is not important. That is on THEM.

        On US, is the how to help them onus. How to make them happy is outside the scope, at least here. Or is it?

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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Well I remember one Cristmas my Mum put a load of money into a account and then somehow it went wrong and I remember her crying. Random story -- however one of the reaons why I chose to be an Entrepreneur.

          I'd love to see everyone to make as much money as they want to. (And whatever that means to them.)

          : )
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Well I remember one Cristmas my Mum put a load of money into a account and then somehow it went wrong and I remember her crying. Random story -- however one of the reaons why I chose to be an Entrepreneur.

            I'd love to see everyone to make as much money as they want to. (And whatever that means to them.)

            : )
            You need the last word, but if you are going to have it, then at least make it topical...yea, yea, yea, we all would love to see everyone make as much money as they want to...

            the question is HOW?

            And without the mandatory pablam of PASSION, DO what you love, overcome your fear yada, yada, yada.

            You've been a Warrior now for 11 years. Can we assume you have reached the CERTAIN AMOUNT where you are happy?

            What have you done, and what can you share with the group on the HOW to do it, and better yet how do it in the least amount of time?

            Ball in your court, I KNOW you have something to add.

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                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                No need to get "defensive" ... Was just sharing my thoughts.
                : )
                Defensive?? Hardly. Trying, like always with YOU, to get you to contribute as opposed to just emptying your mind bowels on the forum. Any contribution to the HOW?

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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by offmarketinvestor View Post

      B*S*. try and be happy with no money in the bank, can't pay bills..can't take kids on holiday, etc...

      If you cannot be happy rich there is something mentally wrong with you to start with. Money cannot fix that but it could pay for a top shrink to help.
      how did people stay in good shape before there where gyms to go to to work out in.. how did people have happiness before there was money .. or banks to have money in.. ot the concept of vacations to take ..

      (big post in between i deleted )

      the question of money and happiness is phrased wrong.. it really should be at least in my highly biased opinions.. if you spend most of your waking hours.. doing thing to earn money.. your happiness should stem from how you earn money..

      but a lot of the advice it seems .. stems around ho to torture yourself to do things to make more money .. so you can then be rich and figure out how to be happy.

      I found a way to be happy without money .. in any case happiness is one emotion of many.. and as someone with rapid cycling bi polar disorder.. i have made some of my worst choice .. when i was Happy Manic..

      so find a way to make money .. that you can be proud of and happy to tell other what you do ..
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    The fear of investment is the feeling of having a chance to lose everything to put so much money into right? Of course, nothing weird in that. But picture this idea for a moment of a place where you could invest and come out as the profitable winner? I can share with you good people on the web. Before you use the service I would suggest that you find a code for your first cash in. Head over to and put your money on any team that you predict will win. The best part is that you get a chance to not just double but also to triple your initial first investment. When you get there you will see, it's easy to understand, rather simple to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author brucey666
    For me, making more money will makes me happy indirectly just imagine not being able to bring food to your kids because you are broke, as oppose to being rich and can bring your kids to their favorite restaurant and seeing them smiling and having fun, that would certainly make you a lot happier.

    Remember what Grant Cardone said, Money cannot buy Happiness, Poverty cannot buy anything
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  • Profile picture of the author nimdekvan
    Money can buy a lot of happiness even if it's not all true.
    what i hate is when i first started making money online everybody said it was easy....hell no it doesn't
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  • Profile picture of the author imranforu
    Things are different. So many people I have seen with huge money and zero happiness. Did you know any person who had a lot of money but committed suicide? I believe more money more enemy and more frustration.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by imranforu View Post

      Things are different. So many people I have seen with huge money and zero happiness. Did you know any person who had a lot of money but committed suicide? I believe more money more enemy and more frustration.
      When it comes to money and happiness, as this thread has shown us,

      what you BELIEVE, is your truth.

      I believe they are compatible, and not in opposition and can live together in peace and harmony... but they are separate too.

      GordonJ

      PS. Like in most areas of belief, one finds what he brings along.
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Originally Posted by imranforu View Post

      Did you know any person who had a lot of money but committed suicide?.
      Quite a few Actors, musicians with loads of money over the past few years

      al
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  • Profile picture of the author Monica8297
    Yes, I work, for money. But I love the idea that I can help people find what they need and fulfill their needs. Of course money will not make me instantly happy but will take care of some needs like a food, rent etc
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    MORE happiness may come along with it, but, as a list of lottery winners who either committed suicide or wound up worse than before they won, shows us...having more money DOESN'T mean more happiness, right?
    Lottery winners aren't happy after they win the lottery.....

    .....because they didn't earn the money. It was thrust upon them.

    They are suddenly thrust way outside their comfort zone. Suddenly, lots of people are pretending to be your friend, asking for money, and then resent you because you stopped giving them money, or asked to be paid back. Suddenly this poor person has a home they feel uncomfortable in and money they can't control. They buy stupid things...a boat, motorcycle, jewelry, trips they would never normally take.

    The benefit of earning a million dollars..is the person you become from the struggle. The things you learn, the insights, the lessons that almost break you, but don't.

    Think of this. Let's say an ordinary man wished that he was instantly a master of Kung Fu. and that wish was granted. The problem is, his bones are still weak, his muscles aren't conditioned, he hasn't spent decades training...... So, every time he uses his new found skill, he hurts himself, and weakens his body. And because he never trains, eventually, his body is broken. So...in a short time, he's worse off than when he started.

    That's what it's like to win the lottery. You aren't prepared for it. You aren't trained in how to handle that much money. And...none of your friends are wealthy. And now you don't fit in...now, you are not part of your own tribe. And you aren't part of the "wealthy" tribe either. Life becomes stressful and lonely....except for people you pay.

    One reason people are poor is that they cannot be trusted with large sums of money. Any beginnings of wealth are squandered on foolish "investments".

    Before you can receive and keep large sums of money, you have to become the person that can handle it. And nobody that I know of, that plays the lottery, is that person.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post



      Before you can receive and keep large sums of money, you have to become the person that can handle it. And nobody that I know of, that plays the lottery, is that person.
      Thanks Claude, I would like to borrow and reframe this for WF:

      Before you can receive IM success, you have to become the person that can not only handle it, but are prepared to do what it takes.

      GordonJ

      PS. There is playing the lottery, as in gaming, and there there is PLAYING the lottery, as in thinking you can actually beat the house. The latter type of players are never THAT person.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        Thanks Claude, I would like to borrow and reframe this for WF:

        Before you can receive IM success, you have to become the person that can not only handle it, but are prepared to do what it takes.

        GordonJ

        PS. There is playing the lottery, as in gaming, and there there is PLAYING the lottery, as in thinking you can actually beat the house. The latter type of players are never THAT person.
        interesting part of how you and Claude both stated this is.. it is the way law of attraction actually works ..

        interesting part of the lottery numbers .. is the same amount of people who win lotteries go broke withing five year .. about 70 percent.. as people who achieve wealth through playing professional sports.. which is about the same or even worse.. above 70 percent are broke within 5 years ..

        now how many people become successful in one business then lose it soon after they cash out.. maybe about the same . then many do find away to make it again.. then lose it again then make it again .

        i guess this success thing isn't a point people get to .. and once there they are there permanently..
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          interesting part of how you and Claude both stated this is.. it is the way law of attraction actually works ..

          but what if you want to use LOA but you're using it wrong and instead of money for sleeping and playing video games the local SWAT kicks down your door by mistake.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

            but what if you want to use LOA but you're using it wrong and instead of money for sleeping and playing video games the local SWAT kicks down your door by mistake.
            no if your playing video games and the swat kicks down your door .. it's because some jack ass you beat in a game who knew who your are and where you lived .. got you swatted ..

            or because you decided to get the money to play video games ..doing things that would get the swat kicking your door down .

            stepping off the roof and falling to your death .. is not using gravity wrong .. there is no right way or wrong way to use law of attraction ..

            If you are down in your parents basement playing video games.. unless you are selling items or doing something that people can do today to earn money from playing games..while you are down in the basement playing the games.. money isn't just going to be attracted to you ..no matter what happy thoughts you think .

            but if you want to make enough money .. to pay rent for your own small place .. pay for a high speed internet connection food and other life essential ..have a computer dedicated to playing games .. and money to pay for in game micro transactions..

            and that makes you happy.. then build the online business that funds that lifestyle ..

            but then if you are sitting their thinking you have to build a million dollar a year business .. or some thing that generates a lot of passive income (hahahaha ) that then once you sell or get the right amount of income ... or hit the point of success .. ..or use loa to manifest .. so you can then retire early ..or live off the big pile of money you made.. sitting in a big mansion .. while spending most of the time in one room playing video games while occasionally driving your fariri to pick up pizza or Chinese take out ..

            you can live a a pretty high standard of living in tropical countries with nice beaches .. for 2,000 dollars a month or less .. but if you don't have something productive to do with much of your time.. you will probably spend a lot more money ..or get in trouble in some way .

            If your not spending a load of money to live where you can commute back and forth to a good job ..you can live pretty well in most of the US for 2 k a month after taxes .. without the costs people incur of going to a job..

            you can get that 3 k a month passive income ..if you save up a million dollars and put it in an index fun and withdraw 4% a year
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    you win .. i wrongfully used the loa ..when i mentioned it in this thread and thought i could avoid ..the pro wrestling is real crowd ..
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  • Profile picture of the author offmarketinvestor
    Every person is different. Some money does equal happiness. Others it equals disaster.

    You will never have enough nor be satisfied..so learn to be humble and try and not make it the whole focus of life. You'll end up like Scrooge.

    It can be great or it can be deadly. YOUR choice
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      Originally Posted by offmarketinvestor View Post

      Every person is different. Some money does equal happiness. Others it equals disaster.

      You will never have enough nor be satisfied..so learn to be humble and try and not make it the whole focus of life. You'll end up like Scrooge.

      It can be great or it can be deadly. YOUR choice

      How about both great and deadly?

      E.g. what if youre a 1930s Japanese guy, and you want to help your country's imperial ambitions?
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

        How about both great and deadly?

        E.g. what if youre a 1930s Japanese guy, and you want to help your country's imperial ambitions?
        hey .. what if you where willing to use examples that a person today would actually have c chance to have happen.. and not stuff that can only happen in fiction or movies or cartoons ..

        the problem with your comment .. was in the 1930's all citizens of japan where commited to serving the will of their emperor or the empire
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          hey .. what if you where willing to use examples that a person today would actually have c chance to have happen.. and not stuff that can only happen in fiction or movies or cartoons ..


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          the problem with your comment .. was in the 1930's all citizens of japan where commited to serving the will of their emperor or the empire


          Not nescessarily.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    It depends on how you define happiness. Possessions/acclaim bring happiness... but it normally doesn't last.

    If you're looking for LASTING happiness, it has to come from within.

    Why?

    Real lasting happiness doesn't come from things/people/situations you can't control.
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    you are right
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  • Profile picture of the author WinonaSilverstein
    Money can make your life much more convenient, but it can't replace friends or husband/wife.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    i am going to inject my very odd .. view on this ..

    money is not really tied to happiness.. and trying to is a great way to confuse people and makes it easy to get masses of people to chase a ghost like target.

    money can pay for thing like a house a car to travel, food to eat,, cloths..medical care ..entertaining stuff to do .. a great cup of coffee every day..

    and there is actually limits ..on how many houses you can live in in one day..how much you can eat, how much coffe you can drink .. how many cloth you actually wear ..and if you need a lot of medical treatment..you may be relived to pay the bills..but probably not as happy .

    and if your rich enough to live in nice homes in high cost of living area ..where you you can keep the homeless out of your house.. but they are setting up tent on the sidewalks outside yourr house and defecating in your rose bushes .. and you can't use the nearby beach because of all the poop and used needles in the sand .. while the local government don't let the police really do anything about it ..

    how happy does having all that money and the nice house really make you ..

    then if you are pathologically frugal .. and have a few million in net worth .. but clip coupons ,shop at thrift store and have anxiety attacks if you spend more than 2,000 a month .. and don't buy the best thing you can ..

    what good is the money ..especially if you are still piling it up ..
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Good post Odahh. After a certain point, money becomes (IMO) a "tool" to do something great with. Something I learned from Rick Warren ("The Purpose Driven Life") is there are wealth builders and ... "Kingdom Builders" ... The latter being Entrepreneurs (etc.) that makes loads of money to give it all away to fund good causes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunny Mughal
    You lead a busy life. There never seems to be enough time to do the things you really want, like doing yoga, running, having a weekly night out with your sweetie or watching pinoy tv shows. With so much already on your plate, how can you fit it all in?

    In Work Less, Live More (Nolo Press, 2007), Bob Clyatt argues that you can make time for fun stuff. The secret, he says, is prioritizing:

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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Was it Krishnamurti said "peein' down your own legs is a gift -- 'speshly when nowan worth noticin' ain't lookin'"?

    Or was it Jesus?

    Thing is, evrythin' is relative -- jus' always gotta figure to what, I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    Yeah, more happiness does not come from more money. Maybe in the short term but the more money you have the more problems or challenges you have. Today a lot of people associate money with happiness and that just is not the case. Money is a material thing and happiness comes from the heart and love.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hosneara Parvin
    Failure isn't such a bad thing. In fact, it's the shadow of success. Failure doesn't tell you what works, but it definitely tells you what doesn't work.
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  • Profile picture of the author webexpert2016
    Money never give happiness . Even it essential for life but most of the cases no happiness comes with money .
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    • Profile picture of the author palmtreelife
      Maybe I'm taking your point out of context, but no happiness comes with money? I'm not sure about that...have you ever had a job and received a pay raise? A bonus? A Severance package? Have you seen people win at bingo? The lottery? Find $5 in the street? Make your first dollar online? First sale in business? I think money makes a lot of people happy.

      How long do these same people stay happy and grateful? That's a different question and what most people debate about more often.
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  • Profile picture of the author Master Blake
    More income and less work usually equals to more happiness.

    The smarter you work, the less you have to put in the hours.

    Most people slave away because they believe that
    hard work is the only way to make ends meet.

    The culprit is more often than not, lack of self worth.

    Doubt gets in the middle for every action they take.

    They don't realize it... if you type "that is" in
    google, somewhere at the bottom you'll see the next
    recommended keyword phrase that people type - and
    says:

    "That is impossible"

    Nothing is impossible for those who take a good shot
    at things. Being more productive and prolific at the
    same time especially nowadays with the advent of tech-
    "knowlogy" well... knowledge means power and there you
    have it, abundantly spread all over the wild web.

    Everything you need to know is out there and in the
    subconscious mind. Bottom line... your subconscious
    is everything (the alpha and omega of manifestation).

    Those hard working chaps out there will probably never
    realize that the subconscious is the #1 reason they are
    here at this level today. So if you have someone to blame,
    just take a quick look in the mirror. The culprit is you
    but fret not... that can quickly change.

    I've seen dramatic results with mind programming.

    Before I was scared sh*tless.

    After the subconscious mind was "tuned", well,
    it turned out smooth sailing. Trust me, there
    are folks out there literally killing it barely
    moving a finger. And then there are others burning
    the midnight oil to bring home the bacon.

    Choose your side. Visualize who you want to
    be and by all means, make the leap forward.

    Don't be a victim of the "wasted talent" statistics.

    If you read thus far, you prolly have what it takes.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Master Blake View Post




      Visualize who you want to
      be and by all means, make the leap forward.
      .
      If it takes the ability to VISUALIZE, I'm dead in the water. So what do people with aphantasia do?

      In fact, isn't VISUALIZATION the real secret behind the secret and all things manifestation?

      Use your mind's eye and SEE the future you. But if your third eye is blind? Then what?

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      • Profile picture of the author Master Blake
        > If it takes the ability to VISUALIZE, I'm dead in the water. So what do people with aphantasia do?



        They could use guided imagery to start exercising this ability.


        > In fact, isn't VISUALIZATION the real secret behind the secret and all things manifestation?



        Yes it is.


        > Use your mind's eye and SEE the future you. But if your third eye is blind? Then what?


        Subject your mind to systematic visualization methods like hypnosis to start upbringing the characteristics you want to have. Some folks have great success with this line of approach.








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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Master Blake View Post

          > If it takes the ability to VISUALIZE, I'm dead in the water. So what do people with aphantasia do?



          They could use guided imagery to start exercising this ability.


          > In fact, isn't VISUALIZATION the real secret behind the secret and all things manifestation?



          Yes it is.


          > Use your mind's eye and SEE the future you. But if your third eye is blind? Then what?


          Subject your mind to systematic visualization methods like hypnosis to start upbringing the characteristics you want to have. Some folks have great success with this line of approach.
          If you can't visualize, you can NOT subject your mind to systematic visualization. Hypnosis and guided imagery do not work on these people, they lack the ability to see in their mind's eye.

          If it is, indeed, THE KEY to it all, one needs to have the ability to do it. Alas, a small % of us just can't do it.

          Maybe I can PRETEND to visualize, like watching a movie THE MATRIX and thinking it is real???

          Depending on visuals, albeit, even if only in the mind, doesn't work for everyone, and as more and more research is done, those numbers will grow.

          GordonJ

          PS. Just imagine tasting the choc. cake isn't it yummy? But what about those who have never had it, how could they imagine what the cake tastes like?
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            If you can't visualize, you can NOT subject your mind to systematic visualization. Hypnosis and guided imagery do not work on these people, they lack the ability to see in their mind's eye.

            If it is, indeed, THE KEY to it all, one needs to have the ability to do it. Alas, a small % of us just can't do it.

            Maybe I can PRETEND to visualize, like watching a movie THE MATRIX and thinking it is real???

            Depending on visuals, albeit, even if only in the mind, doesn't work for everyone, and as more and more research is done, those numbers will grow.

            GordonJ

            PS. Just imagine tasting the choc. cake isn't it yummy? But what about those who have never had it, how could they imagine what the cake tastes like?
            I am one of those people who can not visualize in detail ..conceptually ..but not in detail..and i can sit in front of you and not really be able to describe how you look to you .. it is part of autism spectrum.. i have seen woman change their hair.. and been like damn.. is that the same person ..

            and although i have great reading comprehension the lack of visualization makes it near impossible to learn from just reading ...thankfully now there is plenty of videos and audios ..and rather than trying to visualize from a blank mind screen.. i can remember images i have seen in videos .. pleople describing stuff with number charts and pictures.. and i can synthesize stuff.. with is how my creativity works.. creating a collage of different pictures i have seen and blending them together ..

            now this is me and i am quite weird.. but by building visuals from different parts ..it means for me .. success is noot achieveng the entire visual .. i can identify the quicket path to experiencing on part.. then another .. then another .. and over time build the entire experience in the most satifying way..

            which then give me the ability to continue building new experiences .. and shifting parts around taking parts out and having different experience ..

            i don't like chocolate cake .. once in a while it is ok .. but i prefer eating foods that i can then turn around and learn how to cook myself .. becaus as a creator ..it is so much mor e fun and pleasurable to eat food i have cooked that taste really good.. than it sometime is to eat food prepared by far better or far more professional chefs .. unless
            it is like a really complicated food .. that i don't really enjoy the process of cooking .. like cake ..

            honestly there are many thing i can't make myself .which is fine need to manifest those..but life is more enjoyable at least for me the more of the thing in my life i have the power to create .. or alter to my liking once manifested .
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post




              i don't like chocolate cake .. once in a while it is ok ..

              YOU don't like it because you have experienced it. When my kids were little, they had a friend, a .little girl who was supposedly allergic to chocolate, or so said her mother.

              It was drilled into all the parent's heads NO CHOCOLATE of any kind. At 12 years of age, she had never tasted chocolate, let alone the cake. She had no experience to know whether she liked it or not.

              You also have some sort of weird adjustment to visualization too. Being able to cobble together images from videos and such, which means, you may (or may not be) wired a bit differently as to having a mind's eye...

              but you still are able to see some things as mental images.

              I can not. And others can not. Our imagination is not of a visual nature. Less pics more sounds and feelings.

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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                YOU don't like it because you have experienced it. When my kids were little, they had a friend, a .little girl who was supposedly allergic to chocolate, or so said her mother.

                It was drilled into all the parent's heads NO CHOCOLATE of any kind. At 12 years of age, she had never tasted chocolate, let alone the cake. She had no experience to know whether she liked it or not.

                You also have some sort of weird adjustment to visualization too. Being able to cobble together images from videos and such, which means, you may (or may not be) wired a bit differently as to having a mind's eye...

                but you still are able to see some things as mental images.

                I can not. And others can not. Our imagination is not of a visual nature. Less pics more sounds and feelings.

                GordonJ
                i understand.. i use to not even have the conceptual level of vizualition i have now ... there was nothing when i shut my eyes to visualize .

                but there are a lot of things i couldn't do a few years ago that i can now ..

                hopefully in a few years i can add effective communicating with the written word .. without consuming the people reading my stuff .. but i would have to force dialog in a post have a conversation inside my own posts ..

                comunicating like this is way to clunky for me haha ..

                anyway .. i tend to have to break things down to numbers and figure .. to really grasp something ..

                this is why i focus on stuff that can be achieved in small bits as early as possible ... rather than some big vision.. i might have a big conccpt or vison for where i want to be in the future .. but i also need stuff i can work on today or day by day and progress i can point to.. even if people around only see what they see now
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                • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post


                  comunicating like this is way to clunky for me haha ..
                  Clunky as your English writing sometimes gets, it is the spirit behind it which makes you readable. You're here, making an effort, when so many others have disappeared, given up hope on WF and moving on.

                  And I get them too.

                  So, thanks for staying, sticking around and dropping your thought cow pies in our pastures to be squished between our toes.

                  One bite at a time. (How to eat an elephant, or anything for that matter.)
                  Small steps. (You've got to crawl, then toddle, fall and then walk all before you run).

                  One day at a time. Mantra for millions in recovery, or just getting through their life.

                  And here is the relevant point. Happiness, as we have seen in this thread, is often a concept of getting somewhere else...an escape to greener pastures free of the cow droppings.

                  Money is often seen the same way, one a state of mind, the other a dollar figure representing something only we know.

                  They are seen as DESTINATIONS. And if one has a destination, it makes perfect sense to follow a map, to make a journey from one point to the other and then to arrive.

                  But, from a mountain of anecdotal evidence surrendered by those who have reached their mountaintops of financial freedom...it is way too often, the JOURNEY MADE which provides them with the greatest joy, the happiness was in the doing.

                  One day at a time, one hour at a time of purposeful meaningful activity in the direction of our goals, dreams, and wishes is or may be the happiness reward we are seeking, and it has been with us all along.

                  After all, death is the destination of everyone; rich, poor or struggling.

                  Is the pursuit of happiness or money, even a consideration for an enlightened mind?

                  GordonJ

                  PS. Hope you keep posting Odahh, you have value to contribute, even if we (ME) sometimes has to chip away the rock with our pick axe, to get to the gold.
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  • Profile picture of the author PolicyMaker
    Make Money by Making Others lives Better By Solving Others Problems & SERVE Others with That Money As much As You Can.

    Thus You'll Have Both Money and Happiness...

    Problem Solved...

    Rinse and Repeat to Have More Of Both
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      Originally Posted by PolicyMaker View Post

      Make Money by Making Others lives Better By Solving Others Problems & SERVE Others with That Money As much As You Can.

      Thus You'll Have Both Money and Happiness...

      Problem Solved...

      Rinse and Repeat to Have More Of Both
      This, hopefully, gets deleted, but in case it doesn't. The sign up on your link is not active, which appears to be an affiliate link, and thus, not allowed, or have the rules changed?

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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    i'm getting a chunk of money falling out of the sky in the next week.. i am going to use it to relocate asap.. but have no idea where i am going yet ..until i buy the ticket ..and not sure exactally what i will do to get there ..

    but i have gotten as close to enlightenment as i can where i am at ..

    so i might have my hands full getting everything up and running i need to ..next step on the road to enlightenment .. well actually realizing enlightenment after that it is getting better at living as an enlightened person ..

    i have had brieffe periods a few time in the last half year.. but only hours long .. so it is a matter of getting to where i am in that stat much of the time and only out long enough to enjoy getting back in so much more ..

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    Master > if you were a book, I'd rip the pages and run.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maca56
    For sure no, that is something which really doesn't apply to happiness. Low income for sure reduce happiness massively, but high income doesn't at all. Some amount of money for sure needed to have ability to live good live anyway. I am not sure about all the rest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    there is an easy formula .. for figuring out how to get money to support your happiness..

    figure out what you need for the basics ..that give you happiness ..then find some way to make money that you enjoy ..that covers those basics.. and gives you extra money that allows you to invest for cash flow income.. that as soon as possible gets to the point of paying for the basics ..

    but where 80 to 90 percent of people seem to not like or not really enjoy what they do to make money .. a key part of thee formula for money and happiness is left out .. and a person is trying to spend money in the non work time .. to buy thing or party.. to cause enough temporary happiness to fuel them up to go back working the job they don't like to get more money to eventually have a few days or hours of happiness or pleasure .

    but each person has their own definition of basics ..
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  • Profile picture of the author kyurin
    The difference of someone suddenly getting a huge lump sum of money (e.g. winning in the lottery, inheriting a fortune etc.) and building something from the ground up. Lottery winners most of the cases don't know what to do with the money, since they didn't have a clear vision to get to that point in the first place.

    When you are building a business you have at least some idea about the future and your goals why you are doing it.

    I haven't made hundreds of thousands of dollars myself yet but what I have understood from several fresh millionaires that at some point the money doesn't matter anymore even if they get more of it. As long as they can afford to pay their bills, got their house and car covered.

    I guess it all comes down to self-awareness in the end. What makes you happy? It doesn't need to be millions of dollars necessarily. If you're happy what you're doing now and make 100k a year, just keep doing that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Master Blake
    Listen, if we didn't have slaves, we'd be the ones.

    That's the gut wrenching reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
      Originally Posted by Master Blake View Post

      Listen, if we didn't have slaves, we'd be the ones.

       That's the gut wrenching reality.

      Mebbe I should equip my apartment with a gimp kinda springs from his trunk with a laser-targeted candle evry time I pass (most unPrincessly) wind.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Master Blake View Post

      Listen, if we didn't have slaves, we'd be the ones.

      That's the gut wrenching reality.
      well the key is at some point you gain enough intelligence to figure our how to make money serve you or money be your slave..

      that sign yourself o for servitude or sell yourself into slavery for money .
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Blip
    Looks like someone survived a plane crash.
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  • Profile picture of the author Techs
    Money tends to make people's live more stable which in turn can lead to happiness. Not having enough to get by on can make you fairly unhappy. At the end of the day a lot depends on your constitution. But I'd say most people would rather have money than not. It depends on what you have to do to get it
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  • Profile picture of the author sgalla414
    Speaking as someone who has not yet "made it", i still truly believe money can buy happiness. To me happiness is having the luxury of spending more time with my friends and family and living a life on my terms. Happiness for me is also gifting my parents the ability to retire with a comfortable income. Money can and will help me achieve all of those things. Happiness is not spending 40h/ week working towards someone else's goals.
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