This Law Of Attraction Sh*t will NEVER work until you do this...

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1. INK IT - Write your goal down. Everyday. Put it everywhere. Desktop. Fridge. Bedroom door. Office. Everywhere!!! Then Visualize and Feel it as though you have already achieved it. Feeling is the real secret. Make it so real in your mind that it brings tears to your eyes. This is magic.

2. Raise your vibration - Eliminate complaining and cultivate GRATITUDE in your life. Be grateful everyday all day. This will make you feel good! Recommended book: Flip The Gratitude Switch by Kevin Clayson

3. Clear limiting beliefs from a subconscious level - This was the one thing that gave me a major breakthrough. I changed my mindset using meditation and subliminal. These are all over YouTube.

4. Take Action. Any action. Meet the universe halfway. Don't just wait around for a miracle. Miracle = Extraordinary Effort + Unwavering Faith according to my favorite author Hal Elrod, book: The Miracle Equation. You can read that for motivation. DO THE WORK!!!

P.s My favorite meditation on manifesting money in the comments below!
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by BillionMakerGirl View Post

    1. INK IT - Write your goal down. Everyday. Put it everywhere. Desktop. Fridge. Bedroom door. Office. Everywhere!!! Then Visualize and Feel it as though you have already achieved it. Feeling is the real secret. Make it so real in your mind that it brings tears to your eyes. This is magic.

    2. Raise your vibration - Eliminate complaining and cultivate GRATITUDE in your life. Be grateful everyday all day. This will make you feel good! Recommended book: Flip The Gratitude Switch by Kevin Clayson

    3. Clear limiting beliefs from a subconscious level - This was the one thing that gave me a major breakthrough. I changed my mindset using meditation and subliminal. These are all over YouTube.

    4. Take Action. Any action. Meet the universe halfway. Don't just wait around for a miracle. Miracle = Extraordinary Effort + Unwavering Faith according to my favorite author Hal Elrod, book: The Miracle Equation. You can read that for motivation. DO THE WORK!!!

    P.s My favorite meditation on manifesting money in the comments below!
    First does not work.


    Second, may work, but l couldn't be bothered, (for want of a better word).

    Three, can't really sit down for that one, it happens slowly.

    Four, I agree with, eventhough when the universe has a storm cloud hanging over your head, in what seems like forever, and it has become a cloud with lightening, l guess that is where the extraordinary effort comes in.


    The book you mentioned is probably similar to Think Big, and the like, which dissects basic concepts to infinitum, and overdoes generalizations till the cows come home, but there can be one or more helpful worlds in them.

    People want wealth and some rob to get there, but they don't have the mental capacity to maintain that, and some work hard and go through hell, then have the capacity to maintain and grow wealth, as much as that sucks.

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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by BillionMakerGirl View Post

    1. INK IT - Write your goal down. Everyday. Put it everywhere. Desktop. Fridge. Bedroom door. Office. Everywhere!!! Then Visualize and Feel it as though you have already achieved it. Feeling is the real secret. Make it so real in your mind that it brings tears to your eyes. This is magic.

    2. Raise your vibration - Eliminate complaining and cultivate GRATITUDE in your life. Be grateful everyday all day. This will make you feel good! Recommended book: Flip The Gratitude Switch by Kevin Clayson

    3. Clear limiting beliefs from a subconscious level - This was the one thing that gave me a major breakthrough. I changed my mindset using meditation and subliminal. These are all over YouTube.

    4. Take Action. Any action. Meet the universe halfway. Don't just wait around for a miracle. Miracle = Extraordinary Effort + Unwavering Faith according to my favorite author Hal Elrod, book: The Miracle Equation. You can read that for motivation. DO THE WORK!!!

    P.s My favorite meditation on manifesting money in the comments below!
    An interesting experiment would be to ask any wealthy person, how they got that way.
    I wonder how many will talk about raising their vibration?

    Enjoy this deep dive into the Law Of Attraction
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      An interesting experiment would be to ask any wealthy person, how they got that way.
      I wonder how many will talk about raising their vibration?

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      Those you talk with probably put it in terms of prater faith trust in God . Or some traditional religious terms.

      I have had to spend the last few years releasing a lot of built up anger.and practice forgiveness turns out the forgiveness was mainly of myself.

      I have also massively elimited much of what was causing me stress . .

      No going back to secular terms I have found you don't raise your vibration to attract or manifest anything . Those higher vibrational states or better feeling state are their own reward


      And once you get them there is much less need to manifest goals or attract anything
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        I've been on a similar journey Odahh.

        I had a traumatic experience when I was 15 which gave me social anxiety and later contributed to mental illness. Anyway I once said: "You can't change the past, however you can change the way you
        think about the past."
        For many People it takes a certain amount of humility and courage to face their past and do something about it.

        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        No going back to secular terms I have found you don't raise your vibration to attract or manifest anything . Those higher vibrational states or better feeling state are their own reward
        I somewhat agree with that thought: Because I've been through so much -- and am now in a good place and living a wonderful Life -- I'm grateful on an almost daily basis. And although it's not intentional ... The "higher vibrational state" has resulted in more "blessings". : )
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        Those you talk with probably put it in terms of prater faith trust in God . Or some traditional religious terms.
        I'm glad you brought that up, because it's true. Most of my successful friends are religious (as most people are), and they tend to say things like "I've really been blessed".

        But that's completely different from believing that all you have to do is chant, pray, visualize, repeat a mantra, post photos on a "vision board" and your life will change.

        The religious successful people put forth the effort first, they do the work first..and then their cultural leanings force them to credit a deity. Others may credit luck.

        The people that believe in the Woo Woo here, are never achievers. They are hopeful. They want something external to themselves....the universe... to solve their problems.

        And the problem is, the universe doesn't care about any of us. And so these people wait...and wait ...and wait. And post their beliefs here.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I'm glad you brought that up, because it's true. Most of my successful friends are religious (as most people are), and they tend to say things like "I've really been blessed".

          But that's completely different from believing that all you have to do is chant, pray, visualize, repeat a mantra, post photos on a "vision board" and your life will change.

          The religious successful people put forth the effort first, they do the work first..and then their cultural leanings force them to credit a deity. Others may credit luck.

          The people that believe in the Woo Woo here, are never achievers. They are hopeful. They want something external to themselves....the universe... to solve their problems.

          And the problem is, the universe doesn't care about any of us. And so these people wait...and wait ...and wait. And post their beliefs here.

          See, harmless platitudes aren't harmless if they turn normal citizens into hippies.


          Opportunity costs are still costs for the poor victim of such schemes.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I'm .

          And the problem is, the universe doesn't care about any of us. And so these people wait...and wait ...and wait. And post their beliefs here.
          well when you can post the wuu wuu believes and not traditional religious beliefs .. thats what you get but im fine with the religious stuff being left out of here .

          in any case over the last few years i have learned more to communicate with the universal force ..not the universe . which leaves a lot of human intermediaries out. and many times what comes to me is stuff i didn't want to hear and hurt a bit .. but was stuff i needed to fix in my life . behaviors and habits .

          and no one else has to believe what i am saying but its my truth .. the main thing i want to attract(i wont go into it here or with other humans) ..is getting a big old no and i need to release that thing ..because it is not something that will lead to a long happy life ..

          sitting and witing might be something one needs to do .. but it is only until one get inspiration on what to do next ..

          if one whines and doesn't want to do that thing.. there is just more waiting or things get worse
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    • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      An interesting experiment would be to ask any wealthy person, how they got that way.
      I wonder how many will talk about raising their vibration?

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      i am sure the beach boys would
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    • Profile picture of the author William 7724
      Good point. It does seem that visualizing is good for priming the brain. I allow negative thoughts whenever they come up in my reptilian survival brain. But then I work on mentally constructing different internal scenarios in my mind that offer me a degree of hope. And from that place I modify my images until they are too my liking. I do this not to attract anything, but to give me clarity on how to act. Actions are great because they provide an immediate feedback loop, moving me toward the 20 percent that will get things done. If there is anything to the law of attraction, I'd say it's more about returning again and again to the stillness behind it all. Earplugs are cheap and work great for going deeper. And once we turn off the chatter, we are more likely to get some inspiration, or at least a few thoughts different from yesterdays thoughts.
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  • Las' time I raised my vibration I fell off my washer.
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  • Profile picture of the author IGotMine
    1. INK IT
    I have enough tattoos.

    2. Raise your vibration
    This >>> "Las' time I raised my vibration I fell off my washer."

    3. Clear limiting beliefs from a subconscious level
    I've had enough lobotomies - thanks!

    4. Take Action.
    Relentless, focused action after you have a definite plan.
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  • When the archer shoots for the target, he has all his skill.
    When he shoots for a brass buckle, he gets nervous.
    When he shoots for the gold prize, he goes blind.

    Relax. Do your dance. Stop trying to someone, and just be somebody.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      I keep using pencils for #1; that must be why I attract nothing, huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    Originally Posted by BillionMakerGirl View Post

    1. INK IT - Write your goal down. Everyday. Put it everywhere. Desktop. Fridge. Bedroom door. Office. Everywhere!!! Then Visualize and Feel it as though you have already achieved it. Feeling is the real secret. Make it so real in your mind that it brings tears to your eyes. This is magic.

    2. Raise your vibration - Eliminate complaining and cultivate GRATITUDE in your life. Be grateful everyday all day. This will make you feel good! Recommended book: Flip The Gratitude Switch by Kevin Clayson

    3. Clear limiting beliefs from a subconscious level - This was the one thing that gave me a major breakthrough. I changed my mindset using meditation and subliminal. These are all over YouTube.

    4. Take Action. Any action. Meet the universe halfway. Don't just wait around for a miracle. Miracle = Extraordinary Effort + Unwavering Faith according to my favorite author Hal Elrod, book: The Miracle Equation. You can read that for motivation. DO THE WORK!!!

    P.s My favorite meditation on manifesting money in the comments below!
    Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face.

    -Mike Tyson
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    Incredible things happen to incredible people
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Just Jess View Post

      Incredible things happen to incredible people
      That is an undeniable fact.

      It's also an equally undeniable fact that incredible things happen to ordinary people.... and...

      Mundane things happen to incredible people.
      Bad things happen to good people.
      Good things happen to good people.
      Good things happen to bad people.
      Bad things happen to bad people.

      And...the secret of the universe is...Many things happen to most people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Just Jess
        Thank you, somehow you make me feel a better person so it is a true joy.






        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        That is an undeniable fact.

        It's also an equally undeniable fact that incredible things happen to ordinary people.... and...

        Mundane things happen to incredible people.
        Bad things happen to good people.
        Good things happen to good people.
        Good things happen to bad people.
        Bad things happen to bad people.

        And...the secret of the universe is...Many things happen to most people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Lol Good point Claude. Personally I liked Jess' comment: I think it was something of an "expression." Another one I like is "Extraordinary things happen to ordinary People." And if quotations/thoughts/etc. like that give People comfort and hope, then why discredit them?
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          And if quotations/thoughts/etc. like that give People comfort and hope, then why discredit them?
          Because, as Claude illustrated, they're just empty platitudes. Worse, they may actually encourage false hope or entrench people in their comfort zone.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            Because, as Claude illustrated, they're just empty platitudes. Worse, they may actually encourage false hope or entrench people in their comfort zone.
            Just because a Person believes in a "thought/etc." doesn't make it an "empty platitude." That's just the perception of another Person. Personally I have learned a great deal of knowledge from reading "Personal Development" books.
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            • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Just because a Person believes in a "thought/etc." doesn't make it an "empty platitude." That's just the perception of another Person. Personally I have learned a great deal of knowledge from reading "Personal Development" books.
              We weren't actually discussing them, but I wonder why you were so quick to equate the term "empty platitude" to personal development books. Still, to each his own.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                ... But I wonder why you were so quick to equate the term "empty platitude" to personal development books.
                Good point. Simply because ― like you and Claude have demonstrated ― many People don't "believe" in "Personal Development Books." Like they don't believe in "Positive Thinking" or "Positive Statements." Again ― they have been Life-Changing for me.

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              • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                I wonder why you were so quick to equate the term "empty platitude" to personal development books.


                Freudian slip?
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                • Profile picture of the author Shana Walters
                  Some of you are cracking me up with your responses to this thread. Seems mos of you are in support of action taking. So I have a question. Did I take action or not? Let me explain.

                  Back in late 2016, I developed two separate problems with my eyes. My left eye had a shadow that I could barely see through or around. But my right eye had the biggest problem. It was running water like crazy. And at odd times throughout the day, that water would burn my eyes like someone pored Clorox into it. It was a mess and just the day before this happened, nothing was wrong with my eyes.

                  I hope the problem would go away on it own cause I was broke and couldn't afford the doctor fee. My only solution was the law of attraction. My back was against the wall y'all.

                  I read a post from a guy talking how blessing himself everyday was doing wonders for him. I tried it out. I was suffering everyday and this whole blessing thing didn't seemed like it was working at all.

                  But I kept going because it's not like I could just borrow the money. It took about two month for some results to finally show and boy was I glad about it. When the burning stopped altogether, no one was more happier than I was. I kept the practice up for another month until my both my eyes were back to normal. To this day, I never had that problem again.

                  I promise you, I'm not making this story up.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Shana Walters View Post

                    Some of you are cracking me up with your responses to this thread. Seems mos of you are in support of action taking. So I have a question. Did I take action or not? Let me explain.

                    Back in late 2016, I developed two separate problems with my eyes. My left eye had a shadow that I could barely see through or around. But my right eye had the biggest problem. It was running water like crazy. And at odd times throughout the day, that water would burn my eyes like someone pored Clorox into it. It was a mess and just the day before this happened, nothing was wrong with my eyes.

                    I hope the problem would go away on it own cause I was broke and couldn't afford the doctor fee. My only solution was the law of attraction. My back was against the wall y'all.

                    I read a post from a guy talking how blessing himself everyday was doing wonders for him. I tried it out. I was suffering everyday and this whole blessing thing didn't seemed like it was working at all.

                    But I kept going because it's not like I could just borrow the money. It took about two month for some results to finally show and boy was I glad about it. When the burning stopped altogether, no one was more happier than I was. I kept the practice up for another month until my both my eyes were back to normal. To this day, I never had that problem again.

                    I promise you, I'm not making this story up.
                    I believe you completely. Your eyes eventually got better (like many ailments do)...and while they were getting better you spent time "Blessing yourself".

                    Had you spent the same amount of time yodeling, I suspect your eyes would have also gotten better over the same amount of time.


                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    Just because a Person believes in a "thought/etc." doesn't make it an "empty platitude.".

                    That is also a true statement.

                    But they were empty platitudes, whether you believed them or not.

                    I will say this...they were harmless empty platitudes.

                    Believing that chanting...or "blessing yourself" is going to actually cure anything, while not seeking medical help isn't harmless.

                    That kind of thinking is wide spread, and causes real consequences, especially if the "believer" is making medical decisions for others.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      But they were empty platitudes, whether you believed them or not.

                      I will say this...they were harmless empty platitudes.
                      I'm not sure if you're referring to your list? Many of the quotations and statements I've read and collected have been very helpful. And I'm sure countless other People have found them valuable as well.

                      Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion. : )

                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      Believing that chanting...or "blessing yourself" is going to actually cure anything, while not seeking medical help isn't harmless.

                      That kind of thinking is wide spread, and causes real consequences, especially if the "believer" is making medical decisions for others.
                      I agree Claude. In fact I was going to post something like that myself. I think one of the most harmful could be "Christian Science" ... However I haven't researched it enough to be fair.
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                    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      But they were empty platitudes, whether you believed them or not.

                      I will say this...they were harmless empty platitudes.

                      But what if the harmless empty platitudes encourage a Doomsday cult like Aum Shinrinkyo?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                        But what if the harmless empty platitudes encourage a Doomsday cult like Aum Shinrinkyo?
                        When gullible people eat up the empty platitudes .it can open the door for a cult leader type person.

                        A chunk of people will always have the need to believe someone has the truth or there is a truth to have


                        Someone to hand them a checklist of things to do that should make everything better .
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                      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                        But what if the harmless empty platitudes encourage a Doomsday cult like Aum Shinrinkyo?
                        I believe that Mark Twain has those covered.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                        But what if the harmless empty platitudes encourage a Doomsday cult like Aum Shinrinkyo?
                        The definition of "Harmless" means that this wouldn't happen, at least with a sane person.

                        Doomsday cults are out of my area.



                        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                        The secret of the universe is bad things happen to everyone at the same time!
                        OK, how is that true?
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                        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Doomsday cults are out of my area.

                          Good thing. Doomsday cults are very dangerous. You don't want to get involved with them.
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                  • Originally Posted by Shana Walters View Post

                    Some of you are cracking me up with your responses to this thread. Seems mos of you are in support of action taking. So I have a question. Did I take action or not? Let me explain.

                    Back in late 2016, I developed two separate problems with my eyes. My left eye had a shadow that I could barely see through or around. But my right eye had the biggest problem. It was running water like crazy. And at odd times throughout the day, that water would burn my eyes like someone pored Clorox into it. It was a mess and just the day before this happened, nothing was wrong with my eyes.

                    I hope the problem would go away on it own cause I was broke and couldn't afford the doctor fee. My only solution was the law of attraction. My back was against the wall y'all.

                    I read a post from a guy talking how blessing himself everyday was doing wonders for him. I tried it out. I was suffering everyday and this whole blessing thing didn't seemed like it was working at all.

                    But I kept going because it's not like I could just borrow the money. It took about two month for some results to finally show and boy was I glad about it. When the burning stopped altogether, no one was more happier than I was. I kept the practice up for another month until my both my eyes were back to normal. To this day, I never had that problem again.

                    I promise you, I'm not making this story up.

                    Shana, you can apply the same logic, or lack thereof, to breaking your ribs and blessing yourself daily for 2 months until they heal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Just because a Person believes in a "thought/etc." doesn't make it an "empty platitude."

    You miss the point. The definition is personal - you can't define for someone else.Your important motivational 'saying' may be MY empty platitude.



    To me - following the steps in the OP is spending a lot of time getting ready to get ready to start doing something. Some people may need that - some get stuck in that 'preparation' mindset and never move on from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      You miss the point. The definition is personal - you can't define for someone else.Your important motivational 'saying' may be MY empty platitude.
      No ― that was exactly my point. Frank said they may be "empty platitudes" and I disagreed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Honestly John ,

    I have heard some very awful stories from people about their pasts. The last few years and well all my adult life. I have had my share of missery but all mental emotional never physical trauma


    In the last few months I have become rwalativly snobbish and brutal.

    I want nothing to do with people who wallow in their past and hold their pasts up to explain why the have such miserable lives.and are not willing to do anything to improve their selves .

    Or even forget improving many need to start at halting the things they are doing that make things worse for them and those around them.

    Does a person make the choices they make today based of the messy life or nasty things that they remember in the past .or are the making choices that will over time build a better future.

    Even if in between here and there many uncomfortable thing are likely to happen

    I will admit that I tend to need life to beat me up a bit to show me where I need to improve things .
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Just Jess View Post

    Incredible things happen to incredible people
    Good to know, since l am!

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    That is an undeniable fact.

    It's also an equally undeniable fact that incredible things happen to ordinary people.... and...

    Mundane things happen to incredible people.
    Bad things happen to good people.
    Good things happen to good people.
    Good things happen to bad people.
    Bad things happen to bad people.

    And...the secret of the universe is...Many things happen to most people.
    The secret of the universe is bad things happen to everyone at the same time!

    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

    Just because a Person believes in a "thought/etc." doesn't make it an "empty platitude." That's just the perception of another Person. Personally I have learned a great deal of knowledge from reading "Personal Development" books.
    I am glad Optedin isn't about!

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Good to know, since l am!



      The secret of the universe is bad things happen to everyone at the same time!



      I am glad Optedin isn't about!

      I'm not glad he isn't about. Miss him but how long can anyone piss against the tornado winds of thoughtlessness?

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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I am glad Optedin isn't about!
      Me too. (Lol)

      Seriously though, one of the Personal Development books I'm Reading at the moment is "Start Where You Are" by Chris Gardner. And it's just phenomenal -- learning something from every chapter. Gardner is the Guy the Will Smith movie "Pursuit Of Happyness" was based on.

      I would recommend it especially to Entrepreneurs and People who are going through (or have been through) difficult circumstances. For those of you who may be interested, here's the Amazon page.

      https://www.amazon.com/Start-Where-Y...s=books&sr=1-7

      (Not an affiliate link)
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    I'm not glad he isn't about. Miss him but how long can anyone p**s against the tornado winds of thoughtlessness?

    GordonJ
    A long time.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    The definition of "Harmless" means that this wouldn't happen, at least with a sane person.

    Doomsday cults are out of my area.

    OK, how is that true?
    If a horoscope says that all electrical or electronic devices are going to be less cooperative in three years time, and that happens then it isn't a lucky guess or prediction made with using statistical analysis it is something else.

    I have had a rough time over the last 6 months, (in a Financial Sense Only) and the last two have been hellish, or my investment money has had to go into living expenses, and l am waiting forever for a back payment to arrive, which could be weeks.

    This is when l am getting so good at trading that l can consistency make money from it, but l cannot do so at present.

    Or a bit like a V8 being caught in the mud.

    All of these events and what l am going through was set down decades ago, or impossible to predict without there being something in planetary alignments!

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


      If a horoscope says that all electrical or electronic devices are going to be less cooperative in three years time, and that happens then it isn't a lucky guess or prediction made with using statistical analysis it is something else.
      You are right. It's mindless chance. if you read 100 horoscopes, at least a few predictions will come true.

      And how would a horoscope predict that all electrical gadgets will be less cooperative in 3 years time? Horoscopes are specific to your birthday. Did the horoscope mean that electronic gadgets will work less effectively if you are a Capricorn? Did every horoscope that day, for every sign, say the same thing ?

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I have had a rough time over the last 6 months, (in a Financial Sense Only) and the last two have been hellish, or my investment money has had to go into living expenses, and l am waiting forever for a back payment to arrive, which could be weeks.

      This is when l am getting so good at trading that l can consistency make money from it, but l cannot do so at present.
      Soooo you are consistently good at trading to make money..but not now? Did you know that being good at investing means that you actually make money?


      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      All of these events and what l am going through was set down decades ago, or impossible to predict without there being something in planetary alignments!

      So...planetary alignments are what affect your ability to invest?
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You are right. It's mindless chance. if you read 100 horoscopes, at least a few predictions will come true.
        No l don't read hundreds l read two mainly and both, predict similar occurrences at the same points at the month. Some are general or cover everyone, but most are specific to one sign.

        And how would a horoscope predict that all electrical gadgets will be less cooperative in 3 years time? Horoscopes are specific to your birthday. Did the horoscope mean that electronic gadgets will work less effectively if you are a Capricorn? Did every horoscope that day, for every sign, say the same thing ?
        Everything is made up to atoms, and atoms at its core is made up of energy, so planetary alignments affect that aspect.

        So far this month my firefox browser has slowed, and another issue has cut the top of my browser window off, to name the main tech, issues, or more issues than usual, (l didn't will or want these to happen, who would).

        Soooo you are consistently good at trading to make money..but not now? Did you know that being good at investing means that you actually make money?

        So...planetary alignments are what affect your ability to invest?
        Lol, no, l have tried a few different platforms and most didn't give out much, but after running an analysis, l can make on average $50 US, (probably $75 AU when converted) for every $1000 l have.

        And every month that compounds, so l make that profit plus the profit on the previous profit.

        All of that has gone into living expenses, since an extra $75 a month is not enough to not stop me from having to pull it.

        The monthly Wi Fi alone would pull that out.

        A year ago l knew something nasty was going to take place around this time, but l downplayed or ignored it.

        And horoscopes work in varying degress on the stockmarket, sometimes quite well and others not really; you will most likely put that down to Whack a mole in the dark, but l believe that there is something more to it than that.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    You are correct - I'd put it down to Whack a Mole...
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    I'm glad you brought that up, because it's true. Most of my successful friends are religious (as most people are), and they tend to say things like "I've really been blessed".

    But that's completely different from believing that all you have to do is chant, pray, visualize, repeat a mantra, post photos on a "vision board" and your life will change.

    The religious successful people put forth the effort first, they do the work first..and then their cultural leanings force them to credit a deity. Others may credit luck.

    The people that believe in the Woo Woo here, are never achievers. They are hopeful. They want something external to themselves....the universe... to solve their problems.

    And the problem is, the universe doesn't care about any of us. And so these people wait...and wait ...and wait. And post their beliefs here.
    Well it does, but it is tough love. And l agree, vision boards and books won't get you there, (with the possible exception of people who constantly win contests) hard work, study and persistence will.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    How would that work? This is the first time I've ever read that claim.
    Not sure haven't really looked into it. And l know what you will say, with my reply of, someone doesn't need to know how a car works, but they know that it gets them from A to B.


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  • Profile picture of the author Just Jess
    (1) There are those who are smart chaps and maybe even lucky and strike gold.

    (2) And then there are those who programmatically insert commands in the subconscious in order to form the right decisions and come up with answers in their lives.

    So we have two groups. The second is the one who is CONSCIOUS of their success (2). They usually just "get it" and don't have to work as helots to bring home the bacon. They are enlightened and what is work, doesn't seem like work.

    Being conscious of what is about to happen means that you program your reality instead of being sucked in by the matrix.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    what if the universe isnt benevolent


    e.g. what if your using LOA wrong and the universe sends a 2000 tons meteorite your way as a prank?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      what if the universe isn't benevolent
      The universe isn't benevolent.

      Every time we see the universe as giving, forgiving, angry, or helpful, it's just our brain trying to anthropomorphize inanimate objects.

      All this "we are sending out positive vibrations' stuff breaks down with the most elementary attempts at critical thinking. Fairy tales for adults.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        All this "we are sending out positive vibrations' stuff breaks down with the most elementary attempts at critical thinking. Fairy tales for adults.
        Hi Claude: While I don't personally think The Universe responds to a Person's thoughts ― or that People send out "vibrations" (etc.) ― (and I could be wrong) I am open to the possibility that we "affect" things outside of our heads. Again, could be wrong.

        I know you don't like the concept, however I think having an open, inquisitive Mind is important for learning. At one point in time most people thought The Earth was at the centre of The Universe.

        By the way did you know that Founder/Creator of Warrior Forum, Allen Says, had a Website selling Law Of Attraction books?
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          I know you don't like the concept, however I think having an open, inquisitive Mind is important for learning.
          And I have that. I don't mean to single you out, but you mentioned it...an "Open mind".

          Literally every time I have heard someone say that someone else should have an "Open mind" it was because they wanted someone to accept a nonsensical irrational idea as fact...without reason...without evidence...without thought. Every time.

          If what you were proposing was real, you would have given the reasoning for it, or provided evidence...not asked someone to be "Open minded".




          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          I
          At one point in time most people thought The Earth was at the centre of The Universe.
          Yes, and it was science, not superstition, not religion, not pseudoscience that changed everyone's mind. In this "Earthcentric" example, you are the one saying that the Earth is in the center of the universe, and are asking me to be more open minded about it.

          in fact, this entire thread is about being open minded to nonsense, like the Earth being the center of the universe.

          We don't send signals...we don't manifest. Our brains simply don't work that way. The problem with these beliefs is that they stop real learning. They stop the process of finding out how things really work.

          The key to real learning is to keep learning past the nonsense that isn't true, except in your imagination.

          And as much as it pains me to say it...the Mind Warrior section isn't the place to learn.

          Sometimes, when someone doesn't seem open minded, it's because they know more, not less.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            And I have that. I don't mean to single you out, but you mentioned it...an "Open mind".

            Literally every time I have heard someone say that someone else should have an "Open mind" it was because they wanted someone to accept a nonsensical irrational idea as fact...without reason...without evidence...without thought. Every time.
            I'm sorry to hear that ... However I have a different perspective/experience with the phrase.

            For me it means for a Person to be curious, open to learning, humble, and not to think or pretend they understand everything. That's part of The Law Of Attraction by the way ― because of your thought/belief of the concept of being open-minded ― you can't see past that and so don't appreciate or understand another point of view.

            Again, being open-minded also means forgetting about your preconceived definitions so you can learn something new.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              and not to think or pretend they understand everything.
              Another bad argument, that strongly indicates a nonsensical position is saying thast the person you are trying to convince "thinks they know everything". It's one step away from saying "Well, I don't pretend to be perfect like you".

              It's another dodge. Another way to avoid arguing on the merits, and discussing something rationally.

              Let me help you. Here are the arguments that are always given when discussing these nonsensical ideas. they are never used for any other purpose.

              1) "You don't know everything"
              2) "You need to be open minded"
              3) "You need to be open to the experience"
              4) "There is a grain of truth in every myth"
              5) "500 people can't be wrong"
              6) "Some things we just can't understand".

              I do have to admit that you haven't used the term "Quantum mechanics" yet, the ultimate sign that the person wants you to believe nonsense.

              And then there are the questions like
              "You can't prove that it isn't so, can you?"
              "How do you explain (some nonsensical claim assumed to be true)?"
              "So, you've never been wrong?"

              Name calling is usually next, because it's frustrating not having real information to argue with. So far, I've never seen you do that.

              One way to know if someone is spouting nonsense is, they never argue the facts, or give rational arguments. They never seek to really understand how something works. It's always something like this...

              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post


              Again, being open-minded also means forgetting about your preconceived definitions so you can learn something new.
              "Preconceived definitions". And by that it means "Let go of that bothersome science you trust in, and just accept what I say at face value"

              By the way, that was a well written post you just gave. I'm not joking.

              And...I would love to learn something new. I do it every day. And I love being shown that I'm wrong.That's another way I learn. But bad arguments are bad arguments, no matter how much I want them to be true.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                I'm not going to respond to all that Claude ... Because I honestly can't be bothered. (Lol). You keep your beliefs/values/concepts/etc. And I'll keep mine.

                AllTheBest
                : )

                P.S. For the People reading, Claude added this after my post.

                But bad arguments are bad arguments, no matter how much I want them to be true.
                Which was a bit sneaky, however I don't care.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              I'm sorry to hear that ... However I have a different perspective/experience with the phrase.

              For me it means for a Person to be curious, open to learning, humble, and not to think or pretend they understand everything. That's part of The Law Of Attraction by the way ― because of your thought/belief of the concept of being open-minded ― you can't see past that and so don't appreciate or understand another point of view.

              Again, being open-minded also means forgetting about your preconceived definitions so you can learn something new.
              Jonathon; I was serious when I said I thought this was a well written post. I don't have to agree with it to see it's intent and thought process.
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            • Profile picture of the author socialentry
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Again, being open-minded also means forgetting about your preconceived definitions so you can learn something new.

              Would the law of gravity count as preconceived definition?
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                Would the law of gravity count as preconceived definition?
                No. My comment doesn't apply to everything ― that would be absurd.
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                • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  No. My comment doesn't apply to everything ― that would be absurd.

                  Ah ok. So you define "preconceived definitions" as "whatever it is that Claude believes"



                  A quite sensible definition that ought to be inscribed in the UN charter.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                    Ah ok. So you define "preconceived definitions" as "whatever it is that Claude believes"
                    Actually in that sentance I was talking in general. And I stand by what I said. The problem many people have is that they're kind of "stuck" in their own beliefs (etc.) and often can't see anything outside of them. Hey it's something I experience sometimes as well ...

                    However the difference is that I'm aware of it.

                    One of the classic examples would be People believing that rich/wealthy People are greedy/unethical/etc. and only interested in making money.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      Actually in that sentance I was talking in general. And I stand by what I said. The problem many people have is that they're kind of "stuck" in their own beliefs (etc.) and often can't see anything outside of them..
                      That is literally the definition of belief. Believing something stops learning. It's a bulletproof shield against learning anything new.

                      This is different from an opinion. In an opinion, you know it's a point of view, with a belief, you think it's a reality...a certainty.


                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      However the difference is that I'm aware of it.
                      Oh? Everyone thinks that. It's a flaw in cognition to assume that you know how others are thinking.
                      For example, it's impossible for me you know what you are thinking, or your thinking process, just as it's impossible for you to know what I'm thinking, or how I'm thinking.

                      We tend to read a lot into what someone is saying, and make generalized assumptions based on what was said.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        That is literally the definition of belief. Believing something stops learning. It's a bulletproof shield against learning anything new.
                        Sometimes that's true. And that's what I was referring to ― I suppose. However I think that some beliefs can lead to greater understanding. For example let's say a Person has the belief that Wealthy People could actually be quite generous, that may lead to them reading a Book where they will learn more beliefs, values, concepts, etc.

                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        This is different from an opinion. In an opinion, you know it's a point of view, with a belief, you think it's a reality...a certainty.
                        Good point. Thanks.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                          Sometimes that's true. And that's what I was referring to ― I suppose. However I think that some beliefs can lead to greater understanding. For example let's say a Person has the belief that Wealthy People could actually be quite generous, that may lead to them reading a Book where they will learn more beliefs, values, concepts, etc.



                          Good point. Thanks.

                          if you believe some trait will prevent you from building wealth and you have a few traits you think wealthy people dont have.. are you vibrating and sending a signal to the universe to some external force ..or is it you sending a message to you telling yourself a false story that keeps you away from doing anything to build wealth .

                          how you think about yourself is the signal you will send out to the world around you and people smell it hear it see it feel it when they are around you .. it comes out in how you speak.how you dress how you walk ..how you carry yourself around others . the situations you put yourself in .or the situations you let yourself stay in.

                          i am not a result of the people around me .. the people i have around me are my results ..and my choice .. i am fine being alone if i have people around me ..i am learning something from the relationship..and i have no problem moving a thousand miles away or more and getting new people around me in day.. and usually different . .. i will not let the people around me box me into a limited way of being. .
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                        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                          Sometimes that's true. And that's what I was referring to ― I suppose. However I think that some beliefs can lead to greater understanding. For example let's say a Person has the belief that Wealthy People could actually be quite generous, that may lead to them reading a Book where they will learn more beliefs, values, concepts, etc.

                          Have you ever considered that usually, for arguments with substance, you do not need to ask for open mindedness of the participants?

                          E.g. Suppose you were a salesperson trying to persuade a medieval king of the effectiveness of the machinegun.

                          You wouldn't need to say:"Be open minded".You'd just fire a burst into a crowd and ask for gold, women,and horses.


                          Why don't you have doctors and physicists saying "You need to be more open minded"
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                          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                            how you think about yourself is the signal you will send out to the world around you and people smell it hear it see it feel it when they are around you .. it comes out in how you speak.how you dress how you walk ..how you carry yourself around others . the situations you put yourself in .or the situations you let yourself stay in .
                            Thanks Odahh. I definitely think there's some truth to that. In fact it's been said that People "attract" as a result of who they are. As John Templeton (Billionaire Philanthropist) said:
                            "Good attracts good." Generally speaking I think that's true. : )

                            Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                            Why don't you have doctors and physicists saying "You need to be more open minded"
                            That's a fair enough point.

                            However let me ask you: How did we find -- and will continue to find -- cures/vaccines/medicine/etc.? Just by understanding what was already there, or by having an open-minded/"inquisitive" approach? Wanting to discover as much as we can -- and believing that there was more to understand than what we already knew. It's been said that: "Imagination is more important than knowledge."

                            This thread is getting off topic so I thought I would add another John Templeton quote: "An attitude of gratitude creates blessings." (This this has been 100% true in my experience.) So for those reading definitely practice it.
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                            • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                              However let me ask you: How did we find -- and will continue to find -- cures/vaccines/medicine/etc.? Just by understanding what was already there, or by having an open-minded/"inquisitive" approach?

                              You didn't answer my question.



                              I'm sorry to say, it's not up to your audience to accept your claims: the burden of proof in this case is entirely on you.



                              Why not try an empirical approach instead:
                              e.g. try to use LOA exclusively get more toilet paper and post the results.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                            Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                            Have you ever considered that usually, for arguments with substance, you do not need to ask for open mindedness of the participants?
                            Of course, that's correct.

                            It's interesting here to watch people argue against reasoning, against knowledge.

                            And yet, everyone thinks they are the reasonable one.

                            It's interesting to watch. But you have to know that reason won't help in these kinds of discussions. You can't reason someone out of an irrational argument.



                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post


                            However let me ask you: How did we find -- and will continue to find -- cures/vaccines/medicine/etc.? Just by understanding what was already there, or by having an open-minded/"inquisitive" approach? Wanting to discover as much as we can -- and believing that there was more to understand than what we already knew. It's been said that: "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
                            Scientists, not New Age thinkers, discovered these cures...by relentless testing, documenting results, testing again, using the scientific method. The opposite of what you are talking about.

                            And Albert Einstein said "Imagination is more important than knowledge" because he was talking about theoretical physics. And the "imagination" he was talking about was the ability to hold complex ideas in your mind, and extrapolate what happens if you affect the construct in certain ways. He wasn't talking about imagination like wishful thinking. He was talking about engineering, science, based on an incredibly deep knowledge base. He was using advanced math, which is the kind of imagination physicists use.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              Scientists, not New Age thinkers, discovered these cures...by relentless testing, documenting results, testing again, using the scientific method. The opposite of what you are talking about.
                              Fair enough. That makes sense. : ) However, just because I didn't provide a good example, doesn't discredit what I said -- just how I presented it. IMO imagination is important in many pursuits. An athlete for example would use their imagination to rehearse and practice ... (I'm sure there are countless more examples.)

                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              And Albert Einstein said "Imagination is more important than knowledge" because he was talking about theoretical physics. And the "imagination" he was talking about was the ability to hold complex ideas in your mind, and extrapolate what happens if you affect the construct in certain ways. He wasn't talking about imagination like wishful thinking. He was talking about engineering, science, based on an incredibly deep knowledge base. He was using advanced math, which is the kind of imagination physicists use.
                              OK: I didn't know that. He also said: "Imagination is the preview of Life's coming attractions." What does that mean? Nothing? He was wrong?
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                              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                Fair enough. That makes sense. : ) However, just because I didn't provide a good example, doesn't discredit what I said -- just how I presented it. IMO imagination is important in many pursuits. An athlete for example would use their imagination to rehearse and practice ... (I'm sure there are countless more examples.)



                                OK: I didn't know that. He also said: "Imagination is the preview of Life's coming attractions." What does that mean? Nothing? He was wrong?
                                but they still acctually practice and do the workout and training and watch their diet.. and do all they need to do for recovery .. yes they may have visualized and dreamed and all the law of attraction stuff but they still put in the work they needed to put in to get there .

                                but many actually enjoy the hard work they put in..

                                many try to envoke the loa to get around the hard wrok that needs to be put in ,

                                when you preview lifes comming attraction .. it help with putting the effort in to shoot the movie you want
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                                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                OK: I didn't know that. He also said: "Imagination is the preview of Life's coming attractions." What does that mean? Nothing? He was wrong?
                                You see, Jonathan, you're not arguing for your beliefs. You're hoping that by quoting Einstein, it brings some sort of legitimacy to your posts.

                                You know...we could use a friendly wager to settle this:

                                We first agree on an experiment that is falsifiable, measurable and preferably amusing
                                as well as the yardsticks for success or failure. (e.g. How many rolls of toilet paper can I get in a month using LOA?)

                                If I win, you will change your avatar to an avatar of my choosing that you will sport for a month.

                                Of course, it's only fair that if I lose, you can choose an avatar of your choosing for me to sport for a month.

                                So to the LOA practitioners (that are regular posters):
                                Are you willing to wager your avatar? Do you believe or are you really trying to convince yourself and are gonna chicken out? Shall we begin negotiations?
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                                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                  (Lol) socialentry I honestly have no idea what you're talking about -- and I read your post 3 times. (Been a long day.)

                                  : )
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                                  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                    (Lol) socialentry I honestly have no idea what you're talking about -- and I read your post 3 times. (Been a long day.)

                                    : )

                                    It's really simple:

                                    Instead of having yet another stale discussion where you don't want to budge even an inch,we wager.

                                    Step 1:

                                    You and I agree on a concrete test to see if LOA is real. It has to be simple enough so that neither of us has much wiggle room for argumentation.

                                    E.g. "I will get 40 times 24 rolls of toilet paper with only using LOA in less then a month and without cheating (going to the store, using my credit card on amazon or asking my relatives for TP)"

                                    This is a clear statement: it's pass or fail. True or false.

                                    Surely if you can use LOA to attract olympic medals and billions , you can use it to collect common household items?

                                    Step 2:

                                    The wager. Because it's more fun with a wager.
                                    I propose our respective avatars.

                                    If the LOA fails us, then I pick a funny image on the internet, and you have to use it as a forum avatar for a month.

                                    Of course, if somehow the LOA wins, the tables are turned.

                                    Deal?
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                      (Lol) Well thanks for the chuckle.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                                        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                        (Lol) Well thanks for the chuckle.
                                        If you can't even find a household staple with LOA , why would you possibly believe you can win an olympic medal or billions or whatever with the LOA?

                                        You're not even willing to wager on something that should be a trivial problem for the almighty universe?

                                        These are fair questions. It's like thinking you can take on a final boss in a video game but you can't even pass level 1.
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                                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                OK: I didn't know that. He also said: "Imagination is the preview of Life's coming attractions." What does that mean? Nothing? He was wrong?
                                I don't know what it means, because it's such a general statement.

                                If I said "Patience is strength", would I be right? Wrong? It's a pithy statement that sound like it may be profound, like Einstein's statement.

                                By the way, I just can't stop myself from saying this, to the few rational thinkers here..

                                Jonathon's last post to me was a typical "Oh yeah, then what about...?" response.

                                It's so commonly used that it seems reasonable, at least an expected argument.

                                But here is what is going on, at an unconscious level. (I don't specifically mean Jonathon, but people that use this type of argument)...

                                They say something...you explain why it isn't true. Rather than argue their point, they switch to something else. a quote is easiest, it takes nothing other than repeating it. In pseudoscience the argument is usually "Oh yeah? Then how do you explain....?"

                                And on it would go, until eventually, because nobody knows everything about everything, you would say "I don't know"...and then the other person says "Exactly my point. You don't know"...and then they feel that they won the argument.

                                Of course, nobody is conscious of these thoughts...but I have seen this type of argument play out. Usually about religion, but also about conspiracy theories, new age treatments, and superstitions.

                                It even has a name. It's called God Of The Gaps. It's a way to continually ask questions about a scientific subject, until you find a question the rational thinker cannot answer...and there is where the superstition (or other belief) creeps in.

                                Here's a link that describes it more fully.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps


                                Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                                You're not even willing to wager on something that should be a trivial problem for the almighty universe?

                                No tests. That's the doctrine of all pseudoscience and magical thinking. No tests.
                                Why? Because testing would make it real. And on a deep unconscious level all believers in magical thinking know...they know...it's nonsense. But it's fun nonsense that makes their life more interesting.

                                A few years ago, we had a Forum member tell us that he could pick lottery numbers...because he had super powers. another member put it to the test. A date was picked, and many members picked lottery numbers.

                                As the date got closer, the "Super powered member' started hedging, lowering expectations, until it was no better than random chance.

                                Of course, he got two numbers right (out of sequence) which is exactly random chance. He declared victory.

                                What did I learn from this? Because he kept lowering expectations, it gave ample evidence that he knew...deep down...that this was nonsense. But it gave him a feeling of importance...a fun feeling...an interesting life.

                                But remember. NO TESTS. an offer of a test will be treated as a joke, or dismissed by "I never gamble". But rarely accepted. and in the rare case that it's accepted, the result will be dismissed as a false result, or bad luck, or the stars being misaligned.

                                Jonathan; This isn't personal, although I know it feels like it. I'm attacking your arguments, not you personally. I just have a pathological hatred for bad arguments, usually directed at myself.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                  OK: So sometimes I can't construct good "arguments" (etc.) I'm not a professional debator. And sometimes I see the value in quotations that may be out of context of the original meaning. (Many times my thinking is accurate, by the way).

                                  I'm just an Enptreprenure trying to do some good in the World.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                    OK: So sometimes I can't construct good "arguments" (etc.)
                                    Well, that's the thing: you don't have to. I've built a ready made, cookie cutter, custom argument just for you in the form of the TP challenge.

                                    Watch this video, it is about a book that can predict the future:

                                    Now imagine if a TP truck gets into an accident in front of your house with exactly 48 packs of TP in front of you on day 30 of the challenge before midnight.... All of us would be as flabbergasted as the cowboy in this video. This is how bulletproof the TP challenge is.

                                    If you accept the TP challenge, you will have concrete evidence upon which to launch your career.
                                    You could write a whole book about it and you'd be rich.

                                    If not, well, you'll just have a funny avatar for one month. It's all upside and very little downside.

                                    In any case, we'll both be entertained in this time of coronavirus.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                      Sorry I didn't understand any of that: Please explain. : )
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                                      • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                                        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                        Sorry I didn't understand any of that: Please explain. : )

                                        Step 1:

                                        You and I agree on a concrete test to see if LOA is real. It has to be simple enough so that neither of us has much wiggle room for argumentation as to the outcome.

                                        E.g. "Jonathan will get 48 times 24 rolls of toilet paper with only using LOA in less then a month and without cheating (going to the store, using his credit card on amazon or asking his relatives for TP)"

                                        Step 2:

                                        If the LOA fails us, then socialentry pick a funny image on the internet, and Jonathan 2.0 have to use it as a forum avatar for a month.

                                        Of course, if somehow the LOA wins, the tables are turned.

                                        Deal?
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                          LOL. Do you realize how purposterous that sounds? Don't worry: I have plenty of Medication, I'll send you some. (Hehe)
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                                          • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                            LOL. Do you realize how purposterous that sounds? Don't worry: I have plenty of Medication, I'll send you some. (Hehe)

                                            Did you mean preposterous?

                                            You're the LOA proponent. Not me. As I said, the burden of proof lie entirely on your shoulders.

                                            Why can it bring you wealth but not 48 packs of TP?
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                                        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                                          Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                                          hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
                                          Groan, don't tempt me, (l was looking forward to untying kittens, during isolation).

                                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                          So...you're saying your secrets are secret?

                                          A piece of advice. Don't say that you have no money, but you have trade secrets on how to invest. ....And you have been trading for years.

                                          just a thought.
                                          I have been trying to trade for 2 years, and got a handle on it the last year Claude, or trading is like learning to drive a manual car, which is a nightmare initially until it becomes automatic, or you drive without thinking and can concentrate on driving.

                                          It is also crucial to pick how steep a hill you want to drive down, too steep and you may not be able to get back up.

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                                          • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                                            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                                            Groan, don't tempt me, (l was looking forward to untying kittens, during isolation).

                                            hmmmmmmmmmm.......

                                            " But remember. NO TESTS. an offer of a test will be treated as a joke, or dismissed by "I never gamble". But rarely accepted. ."- Claudius Maximus
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                                      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                                        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                                        See, the large number really is to prevent this kind of arguments happening.

                                        The skeptics would have to at least concede that the odds were against him. We wouldn't be able to say:"Well, you just got up early, punched a few seniors citizens in the face and stole their TP."

                                        The TP challenge have been designed with the following :

                                        -First of all, it's dangerous to go out just to get TP. He might violate lockdown depending on where he lives. Or he might get corona.

                                        -In my area, TP is 15$ (!) per pack. Do the math.

                                        -It's unlikely even in normal times that he gets to buy 48 packs at just one store. He'd have to visit a lot of them.

                                        Of course, I don't want to 2.0 to do all these things: that's the point.

                                        So cheating is literally risking your life for TP.

                                        See... the easiest way to win the TP challenge is (if LOA is true) is simply to apply LOA religiously until a truck carrying TP gets into an accident in front of his place.

                                        I should have emphasized the point that Jonathan can change the thing being wagered on if he so wishes: All I ask is that the wager have an easy true/false outcome to verify and low enough odds so that we can't dispute the results.
                                        Yes, even if l was Jonathan l would be changing the wager, (it isn't fun getting up early and punching seniors).

                                        And he could also go to Fiverr, and fake the invoices and images, (at least when l did the Lotto challenge, anyone in AU, could have photocopied the ticket and scanned it at any AU, newsagent, to verify that it was legit.

                                        And l am not saying that he would do that, just saying.

                                        A few years ago l also accurately predicted what Bitcoin was going to do in March the next year, after that l screwed up, but l got the hump right and how high it was going to go.

                                        Also the reason l don't want to discuss present conditions, since A l don't want any more stress, and B, it is going to get really ugly, (not for me, since l see it as a once in a lifetime opportunity).

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                                        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                                          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                                          Yes, even if l was Jonathan l would be changing the wager, (it isn't fun getting up early and punching seniors).

                                          And he could also go to Fiverr, and fake the invoices and images, (at least when l did the Lotto challenge, anyone in AU, could have photocopied the ticket and scanned it at any AU, newsagent, to verify that it was legit.

                                          And l am not saying that he would do that, just saying.

                                          A few years ago l also accurately predicted what Bitcoin was going to do in March the next year, after that l screwed up, but l got the hump right and how high it was going to go.

                                          Also the reason l don't want to discuss present conditions, since A l don't want any more stress, and B, it is going to get really ugly, (not for me, since l see it as a once in a lifetime opportunity).


                                          hey tagiscom nice avatar you got there.


                                          Care for a wager?
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                                          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                                            Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                                            hey tagiscom nice avatar you got there.

                                            Care for a wager?
                                            Groan, no not really, l am stressed enough with the goon squad in shopping centres giving me the boot every time l sit on one of their seats, and the destitute broke, waiting for backpay thing.

                                            Not much point anyway, eventhough l could show a stock l invested in, and how much it made, which would be dismissed as dumb luck or l invested til l got lucky and so forth.

                                            It isn't really the case of facts and evidence more along the lines of past trauma, pigeonholing and bending everything to that box of worms, when a discussion takes place.

                                            I have been trading for years, and have developed a few trade secrets, which are secret, but suffice to say, the ASX200, and S&P500, are in their early stages, (the current rise is a phantom) and will give the 2008 crash a run for its money.

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                                            • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                                              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                                              Groan, no not really
                                              hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......


                                              Originally Posted by Claude

                                              . That's the doctrine of all pseudoscience and magical thinking. No tests.
                                              Why? Because testing would make it real. And on a deep unconscious level all believers in magical thinking know...they know...it's nonsense.
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                                            • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                                              I have been trading for years, and have developed a few trade secrets, which are secret,

                                              So...you're saying your secrets are secret?

                                              A piece of advice. Don't say that you have no money, but you have trade secrets on how to invest. ....And you have been trading for years.

                                              just a thought.
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                                • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                  No tests. That's the doctrine of all pseudoscience and magical thinking. No tests.
                                  Why? Because testing would make it real. And on a deep unconscious level all believers in magical thinking know...they know...it's nonsense. But it's fun nonsense that makes their life more interesting.
                                  ...


                                  What did I learn from this? Because he kept lowering expectations, it gave ample evidence that he knew...deep down...that this was nonsense. But it gave him a feeling of importance...a fun feeling...an interesting life.

                                  But remember. NO TESTS. an offer of a test will be treated as a joke, or dismissed by "I never gamble". But rarely accepted. and in the rare case that it's accepted, the result will be dismissed as a false result, or bad luck, or the stars being misaligned.
                                  If that doesn't convince them,what will?

                                  Do you think this could be generalized to other ideas?

                                  A lot of beliefs falls in this category of either "the science is not settled so my idea is equal to the best of scientist" , or "I have a crazy idea , but no one cares about what I say so out of politeness, they'll agree with me"

                                  I get the feeling sometime it is not not a matter of reason, but of morale. (not moral, morale).


                                  I look at certain groups and they only disbanded when they felt betrayed by their leaders or they felt they could history was against them.
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                                  • Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                                    If that doesn't convince them,what will?

                                    Do you think this could be generalized to other ideas?

                                    A lot of beliefs falls in this category of either "the science is not settled so my idea is equal to the best of scientist" , or "I have a crazy idea , but no one cares about what I say so out of politeness, they'll agree with me"

                                    I get the feeling sometime it is not not a matter of reason, but of morale. (not moral, morale).
                                    Much of it is the company they keep. If they are in a religious group...or a group of people that believe in UFOs, ghosts, luck, deities, superstitions, the occult (I could go on)....they are supported by rituals, mutual encouragement, social structure, and a tribe mentality.

                                    The truth is, we all feel these things to one degree or another, but some beliefs require a social structure, ritual, customs, herd mentality to even exist at all.
                                    A dead giveaway that you are hearing a nonsensical idea, is if they won't argue the facts, but will argue the idea that you won't support them.

                                    Some ideas that are widely accepted are so nonsensical on their surface that even questioning them is socially unacceptable. and if you ask questions, it's considered a personality defect.
                                    For example, if I mentioned one specifically, this post would be deleted. It's just the reality we live in.
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      • Profile picture of the author socialentry
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The universe isn't benevolent.

        Every time we see the universe as giving, forgiving, angry, or helpful, it's just our brain trying to anthropomorphize inanimate objects.

        All this "we are sending out positive vibrations' stuff breaks down with the most elementary attempts at critical thinking. Fairy tales for adults.

        ur such a killjoy.
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  • Profile picture of the author TobiMDD
    I do all that or started doing it a while ago, but as of right now I realize how bad circumstances and people treating me bad causing me to lose my focus and the ability to manifest what I truly want.
    I hate that I get distracted from the important stuff from things/people around me.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Ah ok. So you define "preconceived definitions" as "whatever it is that Claude believes"

      A quite sensible definition that ought to be inscribed in the UN charter.
      The UN gives standing ovations to school dropouts and asks 3 year olds about the future of our planet, so not a good example.

      And as above so below!

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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by TobiMDD View Post

      I do all that or started doing it a while ago, but as of right now I realize how bad circumstances and people treating me bad causing me to lose my focus and the ability to manifest what I truly want.
      I hate that I get distracted from the important stuff from things/people around me.
      Something that works for me is seeing those circumstances as something that you can learn from. For example for a Person to develop and practice courage -- which is "mastery" of fear, not absence of fear -- they have to have a certain amount of fear in their Lives.

      Similarly, a Person can build confidence in themselves by responding and acting positively to difficult People and circumstances. It's been said that a Person can develop certain qualities by experiencing that exact opposite of those qualities. You can learn something from almost anything. : )

      My all time favourite quotation from Napoleon Hill ("Think And Grow Rich") is: "Every adversity, every failure, and every heartache carries with it the seed of an equal or greater benefit."

      HTH.
      : )
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      • Profile picture of the author TobiMDD
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        Something that works for me is seeing those circumstances as something that you can learn from. For example for a Person to develop and practice courage -- which is "mastery" of fear, not absence of fear -- they have to have a certain amount of fear in their Lives.

        Similarly, a Person can build confidence in themselves by responding and acting positively to difficult People and circumstances. It's been said that a Person can develop certain qualities by experiencing that exact opposite of those qualities. You can learn something from almost anything. : )

        My all time favourite quotation from Napoleon Hill ("Think And Grow Rich") is: "Every adversity, every failure, and every heartache carries with it the seed of an equal or greater benefit."

        HTH.
        : )

        Thanks for this comment.
        You are right.
        And the quotations from Napoleon Hill are always great
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      but what if ur sworn enemy have better visualization techniques and use them to prevent u from getting ur treats from the universe

      E.g. what if I use visualization techniques to prevent u from getting toilet paper (not of course that I consider myself anyone's sworn enemy, not even Claude's)
      We are all Claude's swarn enemy, why should you be an different.

      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      You see, Jonathan, you're not arguing for your beliefs. You're hoping that by quoting Einstein, it brings some sort of legitimacy to your posts.

      You know...we could use a friendly wager to settle this:

      We first agree on an experiment that is falsifiable, measurable and preferably amusing
      as well as the yardsticks for success or failure. (e.g. How many rolls of toilet paper can I get in a month using LOA?)

      If I win, you will change your avatar to an avatar of my choosing that you will sport for a month.

      Of course, it's only fair that if I lose, you can choose an avatar of your choosing for me to sport for a month.

      So to the LOA practitioners (that are regular posters):
      Are you willing to wager your avatar? Do you believe or are you really trying to convince yourself and are gonna chicken out? Shall we begin negotiations?
      Unfortunately this won't work, since Jonathan will get up early, fight everyone and grab what he needs.


      But l did pick up some paper towels yesterday, (which was a miracle) but it wasn't really, l just through going to several Coles, Safeways learned which shops gave me the best odds, and kept going to them.


      I expect to come across some toilet rolls eventually, not through meditating every day, just through dumb luck and playing the odd,s.


      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      I don't know, I was hoping that Jonathan and others would use the LOA to attract TP to themselves.

      A youtube vid with 48 x 24 rolls of TP would certainly add credibility to the LOAers posts.

      While not an ironclad proof, it's still a lot better then Claudian quotes like:
      "Your destiny... is to accomplish... your destiny."

      But the true believers seemed to have chickened out from the 48x24 TP rolls challenge, probably because LOA doesn't exist so the point is moot.

      I have to admit its been a while since I've completed a game in good and due form. I do like RPGs quite a bit but since theyre also the most time consuming, I can't remember the last time I've finished one (I think it was FFX-2 a couple of years ago).

      Last game I finished was DOOM 2016
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


      No tests. That's the doctrine of all pseudoscience and magical thinking. No tests.
      Why? Because testing would make it real. And on a deep unconscious level all believers in magical thinking know...they know...it's nonsense. But it's fun nonsense that makes their life more interesting.

      A few years ago, we had a Forum member tell us that he could pick lottery numbers...because he had super powers. another member put it to the test. A date was picked, and many members picked lottery numbers.

      As the date got closer, the "Super powered member' started hedging, lowering expectations, until it was no better than random chance.

      Of course, he got two numbers right (out of sequence) which is exactly random chance. He declared victory.

      What did I learn from this? Because he kept lowering expectations, it gave ample evidence that he knew...deep down...that this was nonsense. But it gave him a feeling of importance...a fun feeling...an interesting life.

      But remember. NO TESTS. an offer of a test will be treated as a joke, or dismissed by "I never gamble". But rarely accepted. and in the rare case that it's accepted, the result will be dismissed as a false result, or bad luck, or the stars being misaligned.

      Jonathan; This isn't personal, although I know it feels like it. I'm attacking your arguments, not you personally. I just have a pathological hatred for bad arguments, usually directed at myself.
      And l also predicted twice how many numbers l would get, and was right both times, (l provided the receipts before drawing)!

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      • Profile picture of the author socialentry
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        .
        Unfortunately this won't work, since Jonathan will get up early, fight everyone and grab what he needs.


        See, the large number really is to prevent this kind of arguments happening.



        The skeptics would have to at least concede that the odds were against him. We wouldn't be able to say:"Well, you just got up early, punched a few seniors citizens in the face and stole their TP."


        The TP challenge have been designed with the following :

        -First of all, it's dangerous to go out just to get TP. He might violate lockdown depending on where he lives. Or he might get corona.

        -In my area, TP is 15$ (!) per pack. Do the math.

        -It's unlikely even in normal times that he gets to buy 48 packs at just one store. He'd have to visit a lot of them.

        Of course, I don't want to 2.0 to do all these things: that's the point.

        So cheating is literally risking your life for TP.

        See... the easiest way to win the TP challenge is (if LOA is true) is simply to apply LOA religiously until a truck carrying TP gets into an accident in front of his place.

        I should have emphasized the point that Jonathan can change the thing being wagered on if he so wishes: All I ask is that the wager have an easy true/false outcome to verify and low enough odds so that we can't dispute the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    john .. knowledge starts as imagination that get proven ... every medicine is the result of thousands or tens of thousands of different test or many many more ...until they are proven to work .

    the last several years has proven that humans tend not to shape their view of reality based on the facts .. but they chose the facts they can find to support the view of reality they hold . or just use their imaginations to manipulate the facts .

    the quote on gratitude works ... because you start viewing many more things as blessings . many thing in the past you view as negatives or bad .. and you can get a duel view of the bad or uncomfortable thing as you go through them ..
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      the quote on gratitude works ... because you start viewing many more things as blessings . many thing in the past you view as negatives or bad .. and you can get a duel view of the bad or uncomfortable thing as you go through them ..
      Personally I think there's a lot more to it than that ... However it's just my opinion.
      : )
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  • Profile picture of the author Sir Eliot Dundee
    Visualization is part of the LOA and I practise it almost daily.

    How dare you say it doesn't work. You'll steal the dreams of this generation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Sir Eliot Dundee View Post

      Visualization is part of the LOA and I practise it almost daily.
      Why don't you tell us about your results?
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      • Profile picture of the author Sir Eliot Dundee
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Why don't you tell us about your results?
        Posting about my results won't make much of a difference but upon visualization I get my treats from the universe here and there. Some are big some small and then some. Results will vary.
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by Sir Eliot Dundee View Post

          Posting about my results won't make much of a difference but upon visualization I get my treats from the universe here and there. Some are big some small and then some. Results will vary.

          but what if ur sworn enemy have better visualization techniques and use them to prevent u from getting ur treats from the universe


          E.g. what if I use visualization techniques to prevent u from getting toilet paper (not of course that I consider myself anyone's sworn enemy, not even Claude's)
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          Originally Posted by Sir Eliot Dundee View Post

          Results will vary.
          AKA: Life.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Sir Eliot Dundee View Post

      Visualization is part of the LOA and I practise it almost daily.

      How dare you say it doesn't work. You'll steal the dreams of this generation.
      Visualization is fine . if what you visualize leads you to things you can do now to eventually achieve the visuals .

      visualization is a way to simulate experience ..to chose what to do in the future .but we need to have actual experience to truely weed out the thing we really want and what we thought we wanted but really din't care about ..nice to have but doesn't matter .

      i visualize my perfect little house with a few acres of land that produces almost all the food i and my pretty Filipino wife eat in a year .i got the ideal bathroom in my mind ..the perfect kitchen..but i am still in the mode where i put all my thing in a suitcase move get on an airplane a few thousand miles away and live there for 6 or 7 month to a year before i do it again .

      i came back up to massachusetts 3 weeks ago..a month and a half ago it was way out of my mind to do it my vibration was never want to live where it gets cold again.. but my brother needed help up here for a few months ..

      and it was amazing timeing for all that has gone on .. now i have all new stuff and will have to buy a new suitcase before i go where ever i go next once the world gets going again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
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    What kind of feeling to you think someone would get have480 rolls of TP . That would be 3 years of to for me maybe 4

    See Johnathan doesn't need to manifest anything to feel better .he has notebooks full of out of context motivational quotes.

    Who needs results in other places or things you can practice on a daily basis

    And what kind of video game RPGs are the only game I would bother getting to the last boss
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      See Johnathan doesn't need to manifest anything to feel better .he has notebooks full of out of context motivational quotes.
      Maybe, but surely toilet roll would be softer.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

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      What kind of feeling to you think someone would get have480 rolls of TP . That would be 3 years of to for me maybe 4


      I don't know, I was hoping that Jonathan and others would use the LOA to attract TP to themselves.

      A youtube vid with 48 x 24 rolls of TP would certainly add credibility to the LOAers posts.

      While not an ironclad proof, it's still a lot better then Claudian quotes like:
      "Your destiny... is to accomplish... your destiny."

      But the true believers seemed to have chickened out from the 48x24 TP rolls challenge, probably because LOA doesn't exist so the point is moot.




      And what kind of video game RPGs are the only game I would bother getting to the last boss


      I have to admit its been a while since I've completed a game in good and due form. I do like RPGs quite a bit but since theyre also the most time consuming, I can't remember the last time I've finished one (I think it was FFX-2 a couple of years ago).

      Last game I finished was DOOM 2016
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post


        While not an ironclad proof, it's still a lot better then Claudian quotes like:
        "Your destiny... is to accomplish... your destiny."
        Hey!

        Seriously. although it isn't something I would say in real conversation. I have said similar things just to see if the person would agree with me...a test of independent thought and intelligence.

        The psychopath in me is buried deep (Mostly due to an unusually gifted and adorable wife), but it's still there.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Hey!

          Seriously. although it isn't something I would say in real conversation. I have said similar things just to see if the person would agree with me...a test of independent thought and intelligence.

          The psychopath in me is buried deep (Mostly due to an unusually gifted and adorable wife), but it's still there.
          i am responding to oth .. this one required no deleting hahah


          anyway although i observe and believe the law of attraction..anyone with wealth who mentions using it also puts in much higher levels of intense work.. they don't use loa to avoid work.. it aims them right at work that satisfies them .. and gives them something to accomplish ..


          it wouldn't take someone who really knew how to use loa..5 years or more to launch a website that inspires people .
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    Play hard or gtfo and go home

    That's how I would sum it up. And you can cut down the list from initial post by 50%, just do #1 - with real notebook/diary and #4 - repeat those too until you get somewhere Don't overcomplicate and "mentally masturbate" on things that don't need that, every thing else you will work out while taking action (#4).
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Originally Posted by BillionMakerGirl View Post

    1. INK IT - Write your goal down. Everyday. Put it everywhere. Desktop. Fridge. Bedroom door. Office. Everywhere!!! Then Visualize and Feel it as though you have already achieved it. Feeling is the real secret. Make it so real in your mind that it brings tears to your eyes. This is magic.

    2. Raise your vibration - Eliminate complaining and cultivate GRATITUDE in your life. Be grateful everyday all day. This will make you feel good! Recommended book: Flip The Gratitude Switch by Kevin Clayson

    3. Clear limiting beliefs from a subconscious level - This was the one thing that gave me a major breakthrough. I changed my mindset using meditation and subliminal. These are all over YouTube.

    4. Take Action. Any action. Meet the universe halfway. Don't just wait around for a miracle. Miracle = Extraordinary Effort + Unwavering Faith according to my favorite author Hal Elrod, book: The Miracle Equation. You can read that for motivation. DO THE WORK!!!

    P.s My favorite meditation on manifesting money in the comments below!
    This are very good advices and yea law of attraction works but its not as simple as people make it ,this its on a subconstient level and you must learn how to change your limiting beliefs .And i want to ask you something ,i have also subconstient limiting beliefs and you said we can hear sublimals on youtube .I want to ask you what tyype of sublimal i shoud write on youtube to dfind them ? Thanks
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    The simplest thing is to "change your habits". These are the small things, that, when compounded together, will give you the results you want in the long run.

    Of course, it easier said than done, but it's definitely achievable.
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