Old Sayings Often Tell Simple Truths

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'"They say...", something that's supposed to be helpful or inspiring or funny or historic or clever or supportive or daft.

Some sayings seem contradictory. Not looking a gift horse in the mouth whilst looking before you leap sounds confusing.

Some sound unlikely bits of advice such as, "They say that you should always use freshly drawn water when boiling water for tea". You needn't. But you can, so 'they' should say that then.

And some advice sounds trite and wishy-washy, "Where there's a will there's a way", being an example of something 'they' might say to someone who needs encouragement in an endeavor. It doesn't sound that practical.

But I think it's worth examining this one a bit closer.

Is this saying, in the main, true? Yes, is what I would say.

Solutions usually can be found for most problems. This requires will. How much will? However much is absolutely needed or however much feels good or better or stops you feeling worse. Or: do you have to do something or do you want to do something?

Much will would arise if you are thirsty because it's a natural urge of the body to take in water. You need to drink. A will could exist to avoid drinking alcohol so as to be fit to clean the house. But you don't want to clean the house. You don't have to clean the house. There may not be any will there. Even if it really really needs doing.

It can be hard to know where to draw the line - if you don't clean the house the landlord may evict you. But that still creates no urgent need. You may not want to sleep in the gutter but you could.

So when might will be created when there's no urge? Good question and I will attempt to tackle it after a rest. It is Christmas.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    I have the urge to complete my thought right now but I feel like doing something else. Cup of tea I think. I'm thirsty and don't feel like writing about this just now. I have done a lot of writing and don't feel like any more of it.

    I neglected this thread to do another one. I had more of an urge. I am under social pressures to be on that thread. No such pressure exists here. If I don't complete the task nobody will really notice or care that much.

    Peer pressure is a thing - I have it. Does that affect my will? You betcha!
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    I said I had no will for this thread (but I had a tiny bit - that's why I'm here) because my feelings were elsewhere. Nevertheless those feeling were because of peer pressure, amongst other things, so it turned out that with very little desire to add more I actually added more by way of explaining why I couldn't add more.

    The upshot is, I think: A little bit of will can go a long way without much conscious effort.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Oscar K View Post

      I said I had no will for this thread (but I had a tiny bit - that's why I'm here) because my feelings were elsewhere. Nevertheless those feeling were because of peer pressure, amongst other things, so it turned out that with very little desire to add more I actually added more by way of explaining why I couldn't add more.

      The upshot is, I think: A little bit of will can go a long way without much conscious effort.
      what do you really want to talk about in this thread..

      even though your body uses a certain number of calories each day .. you have no biological gear to tell how many calories food have .. and food labels can be inaccurate about the real caloric content of food ..

      so the reason 99 percent or more fail in diets that involve calorie counting .. many many times .is they are targeting their will to something that can not be done outside controlled situations .. and revert back to failure outside those strict situations ..

      changing the subject ..the people going into jobs they hate every day that suck out their will to live .. have had their wills subverted to accept the life of a prisoner until they retire or die .. a prisoner in a terrible reality they create for themselves because they believe their is some pay day or golden years .. at the end long long into the future .

      it is very easy for a persons will to be turned against them...so they will charge into battle and get killed for some king or some ideal ..you really can not change the out their.. but you can observe when your will is not acting in your long term best interests ... and get some control over time..



      are you creating your reality .. or are you trying to please some outside force .. so that force will bestow a better reality upon you
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      • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        what do you really want to talk about in this thread.
        As I was saying before Chrome became gone...

        Old wives tales is what we mean when we talk about proverbs and sayings and so on. Are old women reliable? Often, yes, but not always. It's probably good advice they give but a second look is always good. "Where there's a will there's a way", say the ladies, and statistically Old Wives Tales will be correct 73% of the time. But please bear in mind that a whopping 67% of all statistics have no evidence to back them up...

        Why did I just say that? Info? Er...no. Deception? Kind of but no. It was for fun. We all like to amuse and be amused. And we all like to be liked and like. Cheeriness is good. But something else maybe?

        Don't say anything but I was showing off. I don't like the word ego but it's handy. I was trying to be amusing so that people will accept and like me. There's basic will for you. No effort and I feel quite a need to do it. If you think I'm not so amusing I'm out of luck.

        And everybody needs friends - people here are friendly, and a desire to be human with other humans is a normal and everyday need and want for most folk.

        Another thing is authenticity. I think anything less is unproductive. I want to prove I have worth and value, so I say things that make me appear valuable and productive. You will notice I have never mentioned the ten mostly awful Xmas films I watched on Christmas Day on my own (Shh). That just makes me sound weird and stupid. But I had reasons - very obscure reasons - I don't know why exactly but 'something different' was decided on. Once the movies started playing I had to watch them until the end because that was the rule. I like completing things and 10 mini movie reviews made my day complete. They read OK for a novice. Second best Christmas Day ever as it turned out. Memorable. Ridiculous. I did see something you may have not seen: Edward Woodward's Ghost of Christmas Future in the 1984 version of Dickens' A Christmas Carol. That made my day worthwhile and even more...complete.

        So where does that leave, "Where there's a will there's a way", in the equation? I had a small amount of will to watch bad movies all day initially which then turned into deranged obsession and determination. Leaving aside my mental state this is actually very interesting. Remember the 3rd post above? It said, "The upshot is, I think: A little bit of will can go a long way without much conscious effort."

        What happened at Xmas? Exactly the same thing! I should market this.

        Sooo...let's highlight the wisdom of the ages: "Where there is A will there is a way". NOT much will. Will has more than one meaning. Each human could be said to be a place where there is will. But it seems to mean that the smallest amount of involvement with or interest in or contact with some things sparks something that is - uncontrollable? Not out of control - subject to the will that has spontaneously appeared from weak will. Any amount of will therefore brings about a 'way'. One exists - one perceives - one is affected by that perception - one acts on that input - it's not necessarily how you wanted to act - the WAY was dictated by the tiny WILL you never even thought would lead to something like THAT!

        So "Where there is a will there is a way", may mean (or not) something different to what we thought it meant. I thought it meant, "Putting your mind to things". But like many Old Wives Tales there may be more than one meaning. We have only had two examples to support this view but I'll assert it anyway. Statistics are very reliable and this is 100% accurate on the standard scale

        I'm so glad you asked the Q. I think we have at least proven that by just existing we find our will moves in all directions and that some directions become compelling for no apparent reasons sometimes. Examples abound if you think about it.

        Phew! That was a bit tricky. I deserve something for that. So long as it's comprehensible you should be able to examine the facts and decide if the conclusions may be correct or not. If it so happens that I am talking complete nonsense then no problem - I'll sell it to Jordan Peterson.

        *****

        Pride is a good word to mention here.

        I am proud of what's good and fair and right but not proud of being born in this country or having an influential father or being able to drink ten pints (I was). But anything good you do you can brag about when the chance arises. Did you rescue a dog from a burning building? You think you should hide that? You just painted an amazing watercolour. Don't respond to admiration with, "It's not bad", or "It's not as good as I would have liked it". Say thanks. Receive the glory because it is deserved. Say, "I agree - best one so far". Or just nod and go, "Very pleased with the way that one turned out". Do not knock back a compliment. Accept the praise. Do better. Get more praise and so on. Pride is good.

        Some books say maybe not so I could be very, very wrong. Fatally so, apparently.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        are you creating your reality ..

        Yes.

        or are you trying to please some outside force

        That may or may not be something to consider...

        .. so that force will bestow a better reality upon you
        Not quite. But who knows?
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    The next logical step, given that will is somewhat of a maverick, would be to consider how to control it.

    Focus will be required in order to answer this one. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Oscar K View Post

      The next logical step, given that will is somewhat of a maverick, would be to consider how to control it.

      Focus will be required in order to answer this one. Good luck.
      there is no controlling it ..there is only reducing the need to use it ..the critical thing is to find positive ways to get dopamine hits ..that will lead improvement.


      your will pushes you to pursue dopamine hits
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      • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        there is no controlling it ..there is only reducing the need to use it ..the critical thing is to find positive ways to get dopamine hits ..that will lead improvement.


        your will pushes you to pursue dopamine hits
        That makes a lot of sense. I can't add anything.
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    Truths get you in trance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    I remembered I wanted to mention dieting as per your post above: just an observation or two.

    Diet food is addictive and so are diet plans, in my view.

    One personal confirmation is this short tale:


    I worked in a greasy spoon café. Customer orders large breakfast. Bacon, egg, sausages, beans, black pudding mushrooms and toast. And a Diet Coke.

    I thought this was amusing - seemed like the lady was trying to appear to make an effort to lose weight yet chose the unhealthiest order on the menu. Told the story once or twice.

    But someone told me that it was because of the addictiveness of the diet drink. I must say, she did look about as disappointed as a boxing fan who mistakenly turned up at a wrestling match.

    She looked very confused, then became insistent - the "No" she received wasn't quite firm enough. Maybe she thought I had some in the back which I was saving for a friend. Had I said I'd pop round to Aldi to buy her a Diet Coke I think she'd have jumped at the offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Some old sayings can be helpful. However many of them aren't.

    For example--when it comes to making money and wealth--a lot of People had somewhat "negative conditioning" from their Parents and Elders (etc.) For example many People have heard that "Money can't buy happyness." When, actually, according to T. Harv Eker ["Secrets of the Millionaire Mind"] Money gives you the freedom to do things that improve the quality of your Life--and the Lives of others.

    If you really think about that what a Person does with their money doesn't bring happyness, you have obviously never been homeless or in masses of debt. Then there's the one that "All wealthy People are greedy." Sure many of them may be greedy, however all of the ones I know (including my Mentors) are actually very generous.

    And finally, we have "Money is the root of all evil." Actually that's a misquote from The Bible: The correct passage [from the Book of Timothy] is ... "The love of money is the root of all evil." That's something completely different.

    Thanks for the interesting discussion Oscar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    You're very welcome Jonathan.


    Let's put the Old Wives aside for a minute (though I do understand how difficult this may be for some) and concentrate on what you just said:

    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

    Money gives you the freedom to do things that improve the quality of your Life--and the Lives of others
    If there was one good reason to seek wealth it is the latter reason.

    Not enough money makes you unhappy - usually; Just the right amount of money should be satisfactory and you should be able to avoid a lot of the unhappiness that you get with being poor; Having too much money probably doesn't make you happier unless you enjoy the thrill of chasing money or sheer indulgence. Just having a bunch of it helps - but I doubt it increase happiness a whole lot more than having just enough plus a bit extra.

    You need the amount of money you need for your circumstances or desires. For some that could mean dole money or welfare. For some it might mean $25,000 for a new car.

    But you can never be sure of what amount of money you might need in all circumstances. This is why substantial wealth is desirable: all material things are then obtainable. You may think you will never have need for a quarter of a million dollars. I did. I didn't have it. If I had my life to live over again I would ensure I had that $250,000 when I needed it.

    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post


    And finally, we have "Money is the root of all evil." Actually that's a misquote from The Bible: The correct passage (from the Book of Timothy) is ... "The love of money is the roof of all evil." That's something completely different.
    Yes, many forget to mention that bit. I could say, "I love money", as I kind of do in a way. But it's not really the money. It's the freedom to not do anything if I have enough of it and to buy things if I really want to and to help out friends and family when I can. If I ever don't have money I've been there already and I'll cope. No worries.


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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Oscar K View Post

      If there was one good reason to seek wealth it is the latter reason.
      Absolutely. : ) Great point. In the book "The Purpose Driven Life" (Rick Warren) talks about "wealth builders" and "Kingdom Builders" ...
      The latter essentially being People who create great wealth so they can give it all way to further good causes.

      Originally Posted by Oscar K View Post

      Yes, many forget to mention that bit. I could say, "I love money", as I kind of do in a way ...
      Sure. I understand. I think the Passage meant that people loving money more than other "Spiritual" values is a recipe for disaster: Essentially, making "money" an "idol." Thankfully most People don't do that: They would just like to live comfortably and have all their needs met. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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      Originally Posted by Oscar K View Post

      You're very welcome Jonathan.


      Let's put the Old Wives aside for a minute (though I do understand how difficult this may be for some) and concentrate on what you just said:



      If there was one good reason to seek wealth it is the latter reason.



      Yes, many forget to mention that bit. I could say, "I love money", as I kind of do in a way. But it's not really the money. It's the freedom to not do anything if I have enough of it and to buy things if I really want to and to help out friends and family when I can. If I ever don't have money I've been there already and I'll cope. No worries.


      .
      how much of the current wealth in the world has been created in the the last 30 years ...but much of it was created in small areas of the world.. one of the effects of the last year ..is the wealthy have scattered around the world based on how mobile they can be .

      thing might be a mess now .. but as things settle .. thousand new ways to build new wealth or create new opportunities to get wealthy using new technology ..that can be started with small amounts of capital ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Oscar K
    "A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client".



    Who would disagree with that? And who would immediately see wisdom behind these words? This actually isn't an Old Wives Tale. A lawyer purportedly said it. They should know, right?
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  • My favo old sayin'?

    Gruntin' is relentless.

    Works for rn -- IRL or fake nooz -- plus also the aynschwaahnt Greeks (an' mebbe most moderately toonful YouToobers).

    Prolly we got evrywan onside now bar the odd weirdsy cephalopod.

    (Hey, but like they say down in oceanic deep ... Shimmerin' Yr Wibblies is relentless.)

    I ain't got to marsoopials jus' yet, but prolly Whaterverpedia can covah this THORNY MUTHAH in my absence.

    Need a reptile expert?

    Head ovah to the Copywritin' areah where midbrain colludes with sub-brain in an explosion of immediately desirable cerebral excellence.

    Fey amphibians?

    Hey -- they got their own space on the dark web.
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