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Discipline

by Agatha Seboka
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Hello everyone i would just like us to help eachother on ideas to stay focused and disciplined on goals we set.
#discipline
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    First of all I would say having a plan and a passion and using that plan and passion to provide value to others .Discipline is what helps to shape and form habits.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Stanley
    A big topic for sure ... you may want to check out this WF thread on the very topic of focus: https://www.warriorforum.com/beginne...ments#comments

    Everyone has their own mental frameworks for this, but FWIW, I personally found James Clear's book on Habit building to be one of the most helpful recent books on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Agatha Seboka
    Very true guys. I think the biggest problem is allowing ourselves to be easily distracted. I personally fail at discipline when it comes to waking up early, i would tell myself that i want to wake up at 5:30 am do my yoga and meditations and set an alarm for that but still fail.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew Stanley
      Having kids accidentally solved that one for me. But as that's a pretty extreme measure to recommend taking for the purpose of making yourself a morning person , I'd ask: what else have you tried doing to make yourself do this? Different things work for different people, but for me, avoiding pain/punishment is usually the strongest. A few years ago when I wanted to create a morning gym habit, I took the (believe Tim Ferriss-recommended) "extreme" measure of enrolling on the website Stickk (no affiliation - there are other such websites that do this), where you sign a contract and incur a financial penalty for not sticking to your goal (there are "referees" you can select to validate). Worked like a charm after a few $5 donations to charities I loathe...
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      • Profile picture of the author Declan O Flaherty
        Originally Posted by Matthew Stanley View Post

        Having kids accidentally solved that one for me.

        Of course mate. It gave you a purpose
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        • Profile picture of the author Matthew Stanley
          this is true. just wish that purpose enjoyed sleeping until 10am occasionally
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Agatha Seboka View Post

      Very true guys. I think the biggest problem is allowing ourselves to be easily distracted. I personally fail at discipline when it comes to waking up early, i would tell myself that i want to wake up at 5:30 am do my yoga and meditations and set an alarm for that but still fail.
      well waking up at 5:30 requires the discipline of going to sleep about 9:30 at night to get about 8 hours of sleep ..then it might be better to meditate for 15 minutes at about 9 pm ..

      proper sleep is probably more important than meditating and yoga ..though if you had an amazingly good diet .. you could probably sleep less and have no ill effect ..
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      • Profile picture of the author Matthew Stanley
        good point i didn't think of, but immediately made sense. Setting oneself up for a productive morning absolutely should start the day/night before .... 9:30 bedtime probably also means an earlier dinner than most, minimizing blue light after sundown, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Matthew Stanley View Post

          this is true. just wish that purpose enjoyed sleeping until 10am occasionally
          Originally Posted by Matthew Stanley View Post

          good point i didn't think of, but immediately made sense. Setting oneself up for a productive morning absolutely should start the day/night before .... 9:30 bedtime probably also means an earlier dinner than most, minimizing blue light after sundown, etc.
          My brothers dog wakes up in the morning when the dog needs to go the bathroom. And she will lick my face until i get out of bed .. that is between 5:30 am and 7 AM ... the last walk is usually 9 PM ..that my role while staying with my brother through the pandemic ..

          i tend to eat dinner before 5 pm .. and i don't eat big pieces of meat anymore ..so my stomach is empty and my blood sugar is through any spike i might have after eating ..if you are chronically sleep deprived and compensating but having a caffeinated sugary beverage every few hours ..for 18 either hours a day ..your real goal is diabetes or fatty liver leading to cancer .. even if you never touch alcohol ..

          before you try setting new goals ..first map out the goals you already have .. based on the things you do on an almost day to day basis .. the results if you keep doing that are are your current real goals ..10 20 30 years down the road ..

          then if you have children ..they will probably pick up the bad habits you have ..so map out how your children will be worse off in 10 or 20 years if they mimic your actions ..

          if you cook vegetables in a way so they taste good and you eat them every day .. your children may actually eat vegetables as well ..

          the not so soft and cuddly way to develop discipline and focus
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    • Profile picture of the author Declan O Flaherty
      Originally Posted by Agatha Seboka View Post

      Very true guys. I think the biggest problem is allowing ourselves to be easily distracted. I personally fail at discipline when it comes to waking up early, i would tell myself that i want to wake up at 5:30 am do my yoga and meditations and set an alarm for that but still fail.
      You can't get distracted if you have a purpose.

      Purpose is what stops procrastination. It's what gets you out of bed, eagerly. It's what stops obstacles stifling you. When I look around at all the people struggling in life, it's clear those people have no purpose.

      Procrastination is a symptom. So is lack of motivation. Lack of direction. Lack of self belief. ALL symptoms of one problem.

      No purpose.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Declan O Flaherty View Post

        You can't get distracted if you have a purpose.


        No purpose.
        i agree with you .. people are genrally fully aware of their purpose .. but embarrassed or ashamed to admit to themselves or anyone else their purpose .

        so to hide that .. they dive into struggling and suffering .. to appear to be good people ... to other people .. good people believe in recycling or sending cardboard and plastic to somewhere i asia for them to decide to burn bury or dump in the ocean ..instead of incinerating in the US and producing electricity from it
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Only detoured.

        I think that is where discipline begins, and ends for many. They KNOW what they want to do, and they start, maybe with a fuzzy plan.

        But if one takes the time to have a clear "destination", albeit only a mile marker on a lifeline, then one who gets lost along the way, knows how to get back on track. Maybe a purpose and a destination are splitting hairs, but I agree, the reason WHY you stay with your journey, is paramount to reaching a given goal.

        GordonJ

        PS I think the Earl Nightingale quote says it: Success is the progressive realization of a worthy goal or ideal.

        Originally Posted by Declan O Flaherty View Post

        You can't get distracted if you have a purpose.

        Purpose is what stops procrastination. It's what gets you out of bed, eagerly. It's what stops obstacles stifling you. When I look around at all the people struggling in life, it's clear those people have no purpose.

        Procrastination is a symptom. So is lack of motivation. Lack of direction. Lack of self belief. ALL symptoms of one problem.

        No purpose.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          Only detoured.

          I think that is where discipline begins, and ends for many. They KNOW what they want to do, and they start, maybe with a fuzzy plan.

          But if one takes the time to have a clear "destination", albeit only a mile marker on a lifeline, then one who gets lost along the way, knows how to get back on track. Maybe a purpose and a destination are splitting hairs, but I agree, the reason WHY you stay with your journey, is paramount to reaching a given goal.

          GordonJ

          PS I think the Earl Nightingale quote says it: Success is the progressive realization of a worthy goal or ideal.
          a small number of people understand that discpline reduces suffering in ones life ..


          while the vast majority ..believe that discipline is the the taking on of more suffering and misery..as to prove they are good people ..their purpose is to suffer .. so when they have anything nice .. they can tell the story of the suffering they went through to get it ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Agatha Seboka
    This is all so true. It is all about having your goal in mind all the time to keep you motivated. I really need an accountability partner who will be serious about their goals.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Agatha Seboka View Post

      This is all so true. It is all about having your goal in mind all the time to keep you motivated. I really need an accountability partner who will be serious about their goals.
      is the goal to meditate or do yoga .. or is it to get the physical and mental effect you believe come from doing those two things ..that's why i asked if you where first getting plenty of sleep ..

      sometime the goal is not the goal .. but something you think will give you the thing you really want ..but have not yet explained to yourself ..honestly the easiest path to get that underlying thing you really wants , starts with stopping many things you may be doing that prevent you from getting to that state ..

      then there is a list of things you can do at almost any time the are optional and not should or musts.. that can lead to feeling better today .. and do not have a negative result at a later time that takes you out of the way you want to feel ..

      so if you want to get out of bed and be fully rested at 5 am .. what can you do today to make that nearly effortless

      it is winter time now .. so 6:30 ..7 am is about when i can wake up.. once the sun comes up earlier in a few months i will probably be waking up at 5 am .. millions of years of evolution ..built cycles into our bodies its easier to work with than against..when to wake up when to eat when to stop eating.. best ways to move .. when to go to sleep
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  • Profile picture of the author Agatha Seboka
    I will try changing my sleep pattern. I slept late now that you make me aware. I slept at around 10/11, so i now realise that waking up early would not be easy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Agatha Seboka View Post

      I will try changing my sleep pattern. I slept late now that you make me aware. I slept at around 10/11, so i now realise that waking up early would not be easy.
      instead of trying to shift when you sleep. attempt to meditate a 9:30 before you got to sleep at 10 .. then you should wake up between 6 or 6:30 without alarm .. and you can remove one area of feeling like you are failing at something ..

      i don't know what kind of yoga you practice .. as we lazy westerners lump dozens of different type of stretching and pose practices into the term yoga ...

      so it comes down to what do you want to get day to day and in the long term ..

      i despise habits on a personal level as i want to live my life based on the result i get from conscious day to day choices.... and researching what those choices will bring as a result in the long term .

      we are in time of very rapid change ..those tring to develop habits.. will fail .. those who become adaptable tp what is going on .. will do far far better
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Why not adapt your work pattern to your natural sleep rhythm...would make more sense to me.


    If I am going to exercise 'discipline' it will be over something more important in my life than which hours I sleep.
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  • Profile picture of the author Agatha Seboka
    I have realised that i a night person than a morning person, so mornings are not easy.... But that time when i was able to wake up i feel so good, doing my exercises and meditations in silence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elsie Dottie
    Having discipline in a life is very crucial to achieve whatever goal you set for yourself. Without discipline you can't even imagine.
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  • Profile picture of the author kmsazal
    In the event that you've battled with adhering to your objectives before, quit attempting to redesign as long as you can remember at the same time! It takes A LOT of energy to change propensities. You're intellectually debilitating yourself in case you're attempting to change 10 things all the while. No one has sufficient self discipline to support that numerous changes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Heinz
    Discipline is good but sometimes the power comes from the other side.
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