"Giving Any New Advice to Self... is a Tough A$$ Sell!"

by art72
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Just wondering what fields of study do you pursue outside of sales, lead gen, copy/content writing, and typical marketing educational tools???

Whilst most of us here have a vested interest in understanding what exactly makes me people tick, be it in direct marketing, sales, or just in life's pursuits???

Most of the ancient philosophies suggest;

Our minds cannot differentiate reality - from fantasy.

It would be a safe bet to presume that most here are (*or desire to be/become) visionaries or something within those lines, whereas, we can carve a foreseeable path to our chosen destinations or simply pursue all the paths already mapped out by others - which, I once thought to be; totally taboo or a form of cheating.

The psychology alone that people here have shared over the years, and continue to share on this forum, I personally feel weighs equal (*if not outweighs) the marketing strategies, techniques, and systems that are almost overwhelming exploited by fellow WARRIORS!

Leaving me to question; if you have accessed your sub-conscious through whatever means or practices you deem befitting, do you struggle to know exactly what areas of your sub-conscious are handicapping you?

And, if so, how do you overwrite the negative sub-conscious encryptions?

To be 100% honest, I used to think all of that type of study was merely pseudo-science or it was just too damn woo-woo for me to explore any further!

My how time changes and reshapes our perceptions as we age!!!
#psychology #sub-conscious programming #tough sell
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by art72 View Post

    Just wondering what fields of study do you pursue outside of sales, lead gen, copy/content writing, and typical marketing educational tools???
    All of this is the VEHICLE right? Who What Where When Why, and How ( 5 W's and an H - answer these 6 questions in everything you do ) BUT a Vehicle without fuel is about useless. Fuel is the TOPIC or Niche of what you are selling. YOU understand contracting, YOUR interest are tables saws and Drills and Impact wrenches and and and , and with that you then add that fuel to the Vehicle that is lead Gen and copy and marketing etc

    I personally study all kinds of stuff. I know more about Business and business practices than i care to admit... With every project I get at least waist deep in understanding that particular niche... 500 plus websites a year... my knowledge base is uh uh vast - and thats not even my own personal interests.

    Once you have a "working" vehicle, you can apply any whichever fuel you want. The same principles apply if you are writing blog post, selling in person, selling on the web, from a tiny newspaper ad... it just doesn't matter, the ONLY thing that changes is what you are selling ( the fuel )

    Originally Posted by art72 View Post

    if you have accessed your sub-conscious through whatever means or practices you deem befitting, do you struggle to know exactly what areas of your sub-conscious are handicapping you?

    And, if so, how do you overwrite the negative sub-conscious encryptions?
    There are multiple levels of an answer for this... BUT the MOST critical in my mind is the overall fear of just starting... it wont be good enough, Why would anyone listen to me... blah blah blah self-doubt.

    Want to beat yourself Conscious? Just start - then what? hahaha And starting without expectations...oh nelly so powerful... none of this I am going to make $100 or Im a failure, or I need to pay rent or Im a failure... I'm going to quit my job cuz this will work... Uh NO, start as a HOBBY... 2 hours a day... STAY CONSISTENT - FORCE the inevitable oh i don't feel good today, or I'm to sick or My family, and all that crap. 2 HOURS for the love of Texas, make it happen. Because once you have locked in that routine then what can your sub conscious say? It will entice you with excuse after excuse... 2 Hours a day, and at some point, that little devil on the shoulder just kinda fades away.
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  • Profile picture of the author SARubin
    Originally Posted by art72 View Post

    Leaving me to question; if you have accessed your sub-conscious through whatever means or practices you deem befitting, do you struggle to know exactly what areas of your sub-conscious are handicapping you?
    I struggle with these questions everyday, Art. Not just for myself, but for the world at large.

    I find meditating with purpose helps. I start by naming the problem, then I let my subconscious guide me to an answer.

    I don't claim to be clairvoyant. But I'm 100% convinced, through personal proof, that our subconscious minds absorb way more information than our conscious mind are ever aware of. So I try to work with it as much as possible.

    Through meditation and quiet reflection I find a certain level of comfort and insight. But the things I don't know about people, and life, could fill the pages of a book.

    That's why I read a lot and learn new things everyday.

    And who knows, maybe someday I'll have all the answers. And then I can spend eternity looking for new questions.

    Originally Posted by art72 View Post

    And, if so, how do you overwrite the negative sub-conscious encryptions?
    I try to fill my day with as much positive input as possible. It's hard to do when I read the daily news because negative news is everywhere (negative headlines sell more eyeballs than happy news), but I try to find balance through other means.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    I found Mel Robins' MindsetReset videos to be helpful.


    She has a 35 day video series on youtube.


    No an affiliate of hers, just like her stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Henry David Thoreau was the RICHEST man living at Walden Pond. In a 25 dollar cabin he built (borrowed the money) and on someone's property not his own (friend R.W. Emerson).

    Was he bum? A freeloader? Or just extremely self-reliant?

    Anyhow. A question or two if you will.

    First, who does NOT have a vested interest in human behavior? Like many important fields of study, it isn't part of the "curriculum", neither institutional or personal unless we decide to make it so.

    Then, I would want to know what are the AREAS of your (or a) subconscious mind? It is problematic for me because we could have very different ideas of what these are. Are there universal areas?

    Also, the idea, the concept of the subconscious being a seperate entity from the mind, or when we reduce it to brain, the neurology of biochemical reactions, is not one which is universally accepted.

    However, many, maybe MOST here will have some version of a Maxwell Maltz definition of his 'Psycho-Cybernetics"...


    "steering your mind to a productive, useful goal so you can reach the greatest port in the world, peace of mind."
    ...as their go to operating system.

    And this raises questions of what is productive and useful?

    Maltz has the foundation of changes made in the subconscious as the SELF IMAGE, and he may be right in most cases.

    A low self image is the main governor of failure.

    His methodology was self talk, in certain states of awareness.

    As for treating the mind as a computer and wanting to OVERWRITE existing programming, there is ton of scientific evidence that it takes about 28 days of continuous ACTIVITY to break a habit, while simultaneously replacing it with a new one. That only means the habit takes root.

    Like in grade school when kids plant seeds and it takes time to see something, and what they see first is a very small fragile shoot, which needs tended. I being one of the impatient kids, kept digging it up looking for its growth, not ALLOWING it to grow, but rather trying to SPEED up the process. Mine never reached the heights the other kids' did.

    And the metaphor of a seed being planted is as old as your ancient philosophers, and a lesson Henry David observed while bumming it at Walden pond, obeserving nature and how it works.

    If one accepts the garden analogy, then first one has to clean out the weeds, and dig out their roots, and if that root is a low self image, then there is a lot of prep work which needs to be done before planting new seeds.

    What we see today, is what we have sown and either tended to or ignored in our past, so, if this does not please us, and we want a different result ... we want a different harvest in the future, we NOW KNOW that what we do today, will have a cumulative effect over time and the fruits of our labor manifest without interference on our part.

    Have I missed the point?

    GordonJ



    Originally Posted by art72 View Post

    Just wondering what fields of study do you pursue outside of sales, lead gen, copy/content writing, and typical marketing educational tools???

    Whilst most of us here have a vested interest in understanding what exactly makes me people tick, be it in direct marketing, sales, or just in life's pursuits???

    Most of the ancient philosophies suggest;

    Our minds cannot differentiate reality - from fantasy.

    It would be a safe bet to presume that most here are (*or desire to be/become) visionaries or something within those lines, whereas, we can carve a foreseeable path to our chosen destinations or simply pursue all the paths already mapped out by others - which, I once thought to be; totally taboo or a form of cheating.

    The psychology alone that people here have shared over the years, and continue to share on this forum, I personally feel weighs equal (*if not outweighs) the marketing strategies, techniques, and systems that are almost overwhelming exploited by fellow WARRIORS!

    Leaving me to question; if you have accessed your sub-conscious through whatever means or practices you deem befitting, do you struggle to know exactly what areas of your sub-conscious are handicapping you?

    And, if so, how do you overwrite the negative sub-conscious encryptions?

    To be 100% honest, I used to think all of that type of study was merely pseudo-science or it was just too damn woo-woo for me to explore any further!

    My how time changes and reshapes our perceptions as we age!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      Then, I would want to know what are the AREAS of your (or a) subconscious mind? It is problematic for me because we could have very different ideas of what these are. Are there universal areas?
      Depending on who you kind of follow. I am a Carl Jung kind of guy, and his ideas would be that there is a Collective Unconscious, that he breaks down into 12 archetypes. If you really get into Jung, you find this very what I would call very distinct parallel to Tibetan Philosophy AKA Buddhist philosophy.

      Basically, Jung suggests that there are only 2 areas of brain activity ( I might add that modern science kind of backs this up ) So there is Conscious being - Now in the present and Unconscious - Archetypes ( pre-determined experience ) and past thoughts and memories.

      If interested This: ( The Jungian Model of the Psyche | Journal Psyche ) is a decent real quick overview.

      So is there a "Universal"? I say yes... 12 universals at a minimum not counting overlapping. Statements like "you are not alone in that' OR "thank goodness Im not the only one" would be outward demonstrations if you will, of this concept at play.
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  • Without wishin' to sound lewd, mebbe what is at ishoo here is fuzzy metrics.

    Dollahs an' sales figures, we can measure -- but the hooman brain an' its capacity for meaningful interaction gaht a more analog kinda nooance.

    Here is where the random an' spontaneous coexists with the predictable an' regulah.

    Observation an' intooition play a big part here in figurin' what is gowin' on.

    Was it Walt Whitman who said, "our fixed landmarks of thought must rest on stable foundations of being, or we risk defiling our horizons with statues of our inner monsters"?

    No, waitaminute, his line was "lookit me, basking half naked in my shabby pants."

    Thing is, plenty stuff you see in literature an' philosphy is mebbe fiction an' supposition -- but we would pay it no heed if we figured it warn't troo.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Alright, let me try this again, made it to responding to everyone up to Gordon and lost the whole response, lol!

    @savidge4

    Yes, I wholeheartedly agree knowledge is the vehicle and we must fuel it with ACTION or no better than a low bidder - no sale at Barrett Jackson auction... load it up and try again next time.

    Lately, I can significantly identify through people's written responses - for what it's worth (*they could be lying or fakes) - but for example, I can almost feel who like you mention later, you are a supporter of Carl Jung's philosophy, as am I, along with some Emanuelle Kant, and though I would NEVER "DEAD END" a philosophy - I too, as you see from my sig recently awakened to the forest, the middle way, and it the path one must seek, and cannot be followed. Same with nearly wise teaching routing or rooting back to and sown deep in the rich soils the Corpus Hermetica (THOTH - or - Hermes Trismegistus/ in some circles believed to be the same person) - but, these teachings also appear to resonate on similar frequencies, as does Buddhism Tibetan, Doaism, other Eastern, Hinduism, and even Western philosophy - Christ words are echoing the same wisdoms. I DO NOT disrespect the masters or any wise teacher of ANY culture, unless it is extremists, or suffers from any of the "I"isms which can be repaired with an "aneurysm" - you can guess "Y" -

    In absolution, between Alan Watts who speaks in similar vibes as Carl Jung, as you mentioned, also defines our being universally connected - is again the mind is mental, the universe is mentalism" (*paraphrasing) - in Hermetic teachings. Our founding fathers; John Locke who wrote some brilliant stuff I believe; influenced what became the Declaration & Constitution which too respects and reserves the rights of ALL to their inalienable human rights - even globally - which is getting a wee-bit bizarre these days to say the least.

    At times, I could unload TRUTHS that would probably be the equivalence of jumping or tap dancing on a field of land mines... I'm trying to go homicidal, suicidal or martyrdom if I can avoid it, lol. But - the rules ever increase, justice stays blind - and too many people - forgive the analogy (*I am theoretically Christian respectful) - yet, I cannot number the number of people who have splinter's in their arse from hiding behind a cross, where I carry mine upfront - and without bias towards anyone else's belief - unless, it threatens our way of life or more importantly my grandchildrens future - which I feel obligated to do something about - God knows my children have no entrepreneurial hunger as of yet, and they are already in their mid-20's.

    Plus, 27 year old gets a $64,500 check... 30 days, blew over $30,000 - girlfriend she got the same, another $30k in 30 days... they bought iPhones, hover boards, video games, WTF???

    I have a least 5 million dollar - low-cost blueprints, plus, a billion-dollar vision on the backs of... if that takes flight, it's on like "Donkey Kong!"

    Reality... I need $5k - $6K it should be a cake walk... it's constant intrusions, I withdrew to study for 2 years, I hadn't stepped in here for nearly 3 years, fearing I'd get too caught up helping out noobs, and yet I am the one procrastinating from starting - yes, fear is the driver, as I think to fear success will require a full separation of the few in my life who - if not for them, I would have no one in my life.

    Everything for 30 years, non-stop was mostly BUSINESS FIRST - FEED FAM - PLAY LATER!!!

    Once up and running I am unstoppable. But, there is a glitch... I was dependent on contractors to sell, close, and deal with all the stuff I know the 5 W's and the one H - I am the one who asks the hardest questions, always - knowing most cannot give reasonable thought to their answers - which is like being surrounded by ZOMBIES at this point!

    Yet, I mean no judgement by that - it's me they say at fault. O.K. - as a kid, you're hyper - and you chug caffeine and cannot keep up! So who is really wrong? The person who's mind is constantly pushing, multi-tasking - juggling 17 roles... or a quack with a degree prescribing some new anti-depressant drug? - Some may actually work, forgive my bias.(*That's a whole-nother book in itself!)

    @SARubin

    Yessir, I have been knowingly practicing deep meditations, centering, and grounding - amongst having had a few astral travels, OBE's, and I guess call it; downloaded info from the ether bits... even 15 years, while I was meditating I would've though that was woo-woo AF! Not anymore... I am of the mind to believe it is ALL connected, as everyone here in one, shape, or form seems to be attuned to similar frequencies, but not those who I do business offline??? - I get all the megalomaniacs, sociopaths, psychopaths, and f'in crazies, and I grew up as the son of a Hippie Mother and a dead beat Vet from Vietnam... it's not exactly coalescence for me to have ventured so far off the reservations so to speak, but I give up everything before I quit meditating TODAY!

    Thank-You!

    @DABK

    Thanks, I haven't checked out Mel Robbins Mindset Reset vids, but I will check them out as well. I fall asleep nearly every night, if I sleep at all - listening to audiobooks, meditations, philosophy, and brilliant literature and of course, I have prob 3000+ song lyric memorized in my head, for when I was young I need ambient noise (loudly) to fall asleep... I too wonder; if the sub-conscious remembers what we hear while sleeping - cause I acnnot fully grasp how I remember that many songs, and I don't officially play music, but I visualize myself at a drum set... and according to some studies, people learn to play the piano just imagining the notes in their head while listening... I have not master such a technique - albeit, I do believe it can be tapped into by the sub-conscious and consciously repeated...

    Thank-You!

    @Princess_Balestra

    Always a pleasure reading your cryptic use of writing, definitely a vent or pressure relief valve of sorts, I would suppose(?), as mine goes straight to satirical comedy or music - when the brain needs a break!

    You're not wrong, as I too though most pseudo-science and neuro-esthetics and such were an unmeasurable field of study. According to Vishen Lakhani's latest "intuitive meditation vid" he claims EEG's, MRI's, and #D brain wave activity is proving to be more viable than the woo-woo I was applied to almost of it - I just chalked it all up as fanatic's tripping on who knows what, though I always reserved my skepticism and optimism in any pursuit. Guarded, to a degree, what I once thought was mine to protect... now I share more than I once conceived, as it all does appear connected like Avatar - the movie.

    Thank-You!

    @Gordon

    Again, there's clearly certain frequencies people tune into, I see it like a stereo dial, we may not all like the same tunes or food, etc... But, even just in these responses I see a pattern that seems genuine and sincere, whereas, nearly everyone here respects nature, humanity, and some reservations as to the evolution of the human mind - from the behavioral to omnipotent wonders we cannot be all knowing of - or - the entirety of any one truth, as everyone holds a belief to what these explorations provided or means to them.

    I too have listened to Maltz's "PsychoCybergenics" and I feel along with savidge resonates in Carl Jung's philosophy, Emanualle Kant, and even some Stoics maintain the core virtues and values of what could be Aristotle's - metaphysics - nature and being, meaning, and purpose... so yeah, I too respect everyone has a vested interest in our human behavior as individual's and to those who remain observant of the whole of humanity, and the preservation thereof.

    I am familar with 28 days to break a habit or overwrite an old habit, some say longer, some say less, but it definitely not easy - or I would have quit smoking tobacco by now. I quit everything else, no problem, liquor, drugs, etc... with a the exception of self-medicating All-naturally - I have no real excuse for my "self-worth" being absent - or as you say; "self-image" which, I prefer to be in control of my assets, the outcome, the results... and the money, if I get my ass back out of what can only be considered a withdrawal from the extrovert I was most of my life.

    I left the house one time all month. Strange. I'm not feeling depressed, suicidal, or incapable of say working two gigs - one online, one offline and balance the time between the two, with favor being to just build the damn network I envision in my head already... it starts with ONE PROJECT, ONE FOUNDATION, ONE WEBSITE... not the 500 a year savidge is cranking out, I get that - you gotta earn that, and likely have outsourcing in check, whereas, I am ONE person trying to wear 17 hats again in a virtual real estate or (I.P.) Intellectual Property challenge.

    Before this gets any longer... "peace of mind" - I have clarity, almost reached nirvana at this point, as I accidentally(???) started cutting back on my appetite, lost maybe 15% body mass, mind you I am normally peaked out at maybe 145# - 150#'s normal operating, eating, and working more physically than as of late.

    It was Matthew McConaughey who mentioned on a zoom call with Joe Rogan who stated; "I lost a ton of weight for a role for a movie and was dropping weight, starving myself, and I noticed my mental acuity and focus became laser-like." - I'm paraphrasing of course, and I still yet to check out his book "Greenlights or Greenlighting" or something along the lines.

    Oddly, Vishen's latest intuitive lecture/meditation revealed so much I feel to either be or having had already experienced as he referenced quotes from Nikola Tesla, Edison, and other research studies confirming we can download information, and to become withdrawn or reclusive is not uncommon for someone on a spiritual or enlightened journey. But, I am not trying to live in dog house, although I could survive off grid, I did it for nearly 6 years - throwing 14- 16' cast nights and selling fish...best time of my life, but as a business too unstable! Inconsistent, and covy did a number on that market as the fish were shipped to NY and the Bronx areas, not only, but a big chunk of that market resides there...or did!?

    Anyway, I started thinking ahead a bit, about your DM template (*Thank-you again, BTW) and I created what I engineer my writings similar to your simple "Black and White" papers... nothing too fancy, just good valuable content.

    So, 4am this morning, I am "copy and pasting" 24 word docs, all with different headers/headlines... for future reports. Naturally, I need a backend or a way to build credibility, so I am thinking give a report away or two, build that damn email list that I have known I needed for at least 5-7 years, maybe longer... and I get to thinking, why not a Newsletter - weekly reports centered on mostly getting one's mind right, then introduce the blue oceans of opportunity.

    I know a lot of you are in real world business, publications, building entire networks with subnetworks within those, as I can see how it connects if done properly...and with the right foundation to build upon, of course.

    I have idea or belief, if this takes off I will be answers emails, spending absorbent amounts of time on socialist media sites, and that is not what I want to be doing... but, I feel if the business does start rolling, money rolls in, then I can start trying source out the stuff I don't care to spend my days doing. Writing, I can write for 12 hours and seems like 5 minutes in my mind... trying to keep my fingers tapping as fast as my mind, that's a whole-nother story... not a QWERTY - prefer the pen to paper, but I never revisit anything I write in my notebooks. Honestly, I don't think I can critique or edit worth a sh!t, but if one cannot afford an editor, proofreader, or publisher - one must resort to honing those skills along the way as well, I suppose!

    Lastly, the common philosophy and outline most decent people as displayed here, seldom reflects in the ads, the mannerisms, or the behaviors of people I know in real life...polar opposites almost. Not the business aspects, just the demeanor an employer or client holds over a new entry or canidate seems far from being in-line with extending any curtesy to another of business mind...it creates this "two people pissing on one canvas in the field seldom works" as I am sure if Dali tried to hang a melted clock on Bob Ross's log cabin door... all hell would break loose.

    Part me has wanted to comit to a 50 or 52 week premium newsletter for $97 - that's less $2 a report, but reach 10k subs - that a 7-figs, so math doesn't scare me as I know I need ONE subscriber, then 10, then 100, so on and so forth... but my mind, hates "coming down" from the architect's helm, or the proverbial mountain most say is impossible to climb, and having to bleed before those I love that have no drive for success and are happy just being in "The Cabbage Patch" below... I see landslides coming and they are just watching 8 hours of tv, playing video games, and they have no direction whatsoever, like Earl Nightingale said in "Lead the Field!"

    I still don't want to believe, being consciously-aware in a world whereas most are asleep or lackadaisical, no insult intended... that gives me a lot of options. I cannot be unethical, a liar, thief, etc... even after having experienced others ill-regard for human decency, and I grew up as a wild child! - I should be braindead by now, not the other way around... yet I am "Stuck in the Middle" - that song haunts me... as too feel the JOKER is not a bad card to be in a world where everyone gambles!

    Thank-you!
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  • Profile picture of the author He11o Wor1d
    I am a specialist, teaching people psychology.
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    In my opinion, your knowledge of the subconscious and its mechanisms is too primitive. As long as you are not aware of honestly, no changes in the subconscious will never happen. Consciousness plays a key role. There are many methods and practices of working with human psychology, but some of them are useful. Not every person can learn from all this, even if he is a specialist. I do not even have what you call "negative subconscious encryptions." I have another picture of the world around us, my reaction to it follows.
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by He11o Wor1d View Post

      I am a specialist, teaching people psychology.
      Write me if you wish
      In my opinion, your knowledge of the subconscious and its mechanisms is too primitive. As long as you are not aware of honestly, no changes in the subconscious will never happen. Consciousness plays a key role. There are many methods and practices of working with human psychology, but some of them are useful. Not every person can learn from all this, even if he is a specialist. I do not even have what you call "negative subconscious encryptions." I have another picture of the world around us, my reaction to it follows.
      I am neither a psychologist, nor have I spoken with any since some entanglements as a teen when I was experimenting with drugs and alcohol, etc... which as an adult, I have handled my prior addictions moderately well, by comparison to many whom I know, loved, and those lost to such refusals to mature, and be mindful of others - as we seldom see our "self-inflicted" wounds as punishing to others, when in reality, it effects all-in-whom we associate, love, or care about us or visa-versa.

      The sub-conscious to me holds a ton of retained early formulations upon our beliefs and the influences, environmental signals (*which in my world and those around me are often negative behavioral responses or reactions - as psychology denotes we are 70% negatively wired.) I getting better grip on alpha, beta, delta, theta states.

      I wouldn't be against an occasional exchange of words - though I must admit; I just started to recognize what they - the psychiatrists and psychologists (I had both!) tried to teach me in treatment as a teenager. I didn't take the doctors advice too serious then concerning "laundry lists" and making amends, giving forgiveness, and the 12 -Step BIG BOOK process AA/NA, etc... which seemed popular back in the 80's...

      Honestly, I almost concerned with the idea I may be meditating too much and as such have been a bit more euphoric - and doing longer meditation sessions than I did prior. I do believe we can trick our minds to produce oxytocin's, adrenaline, dopamine, cortisol, and endogenous opioids, etc... if we understand the pharmacy of the mind!

      I question, since I can lower my heart rate in less than a minute (*I tested this 2 days ago with my sons iWatch on a whim) and dropped my heartrate from 91BPM - to - 71 BPM's almost instantaneously - then I started getting excited and the heart rate jumped back up, all in less than 2 or 3 minutes...

      As far as the sub-conscious my concern is like "cleaning out a storage unit" or a "library of sort" whereas, I don't feel the need to forget or permanently remove any memories, nothing was that horrifying in my life I can recall.

      But... to quickly know how to access those files, overlay the positive messaging instead of the negative a lot of that carries - is new to me... I never toyed with sub-consciously - consciously, I just ignored it unless it beckoned my attention, triggered an old memory - good or bad, or like with addiction - I could recognize certain triggers; people, familiar smells, or certain environments like bowling alleys I have childhood memories of my Father - sitting at the bar with my uncle Patrick - he would hand me $3 or maybe $5 and I would play the shuffle board style old bowling game at the Elks Lodge my uncle was the President of back then.

      I literally, just figured out WHY every time I went to a bowling alley - with no intentions of drinking at all - I get hammered almost every time!

      I sincerely think it rooted in that one memory - which are few of my father mind you - he wasn't too stable when he came back from Vietnam... doing better now from what I here at 74 and survived throat cancer... still smoking Winston's and playing his guitar to Jim Croce's :Leroy Brown" -

      But in reality, that is just one file I have accessed in the past 90 days - which oddly, may have ignited as was and still am to a degree bereaving my Mother's death to bone cancer in March 1st, 2021... that a kick to the gut for me, I made peace her death before she actually died - she was hellion, love her still, but was a handful indeed!

      Any way... I may hit you up in a DM - I'm not stuck, just still - and at peace staying out of society and has NOTHING to do with this pandemic or any depression I can identify. My self-image as Gordon said is in question as is my ability to understand what makes people so to judge, when seldom are they even in the ballpark of any truth... they just assume you are struggling, you must be messed up on something.

      Meanwhile I am almost 50 and still desire to get my bucket list on, do adrenaline based stuff like squirrel suit jumping, ziplining over Niagra Falls, or something to alive - I feel bored with everything, which is strange as I am visionary of sorts - or - a keen observer, but I did create a character that consists of acting less intelligent to fit in to certain environments, which may be what keeps me from believing I can move up, away, or sustain in the sectors I prefer to operate, but to date seem out of reach - purely due to finances!
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      • Profile picture of the author He11o Wor1d
        WOW!...)An unusually interesting your revelation, made me re-read your message in more detail several times, let it not miss anything
        I myself do not trust psychologists / psychiatras, and especially those who prescribe antidipressants. After all, instead of resolving the situation, they are thereby proposing to suppress the natural reaction to stimuli, which is not true and can aggravate the situation. Warm friendly conversation - the best tool.
        I also know how to regulate the pulse in seconds, just overlaw various feelings, etc.
        In my opinion, in your bowling club there were too aggressive personalities, against which you could not distinguish physically, if you were a great boxer, then this situation would not repeat again)
        You have achieved great success for your life and developed spiritually, almost all books and authors that you mentioned, I know. It made me forced you and your parents to respect at a high level. I sincerely condole about the death of your mother, I think it's all good and she will overcome all the ways of Bardo. You are very courageous and adequately met her death. This is a big plus and and indicates that it is doing well)
        Be present, you do not need to create characters from which reflect your nature not from all the parties. Perceive yourself the same you are in fact. Be proud and respect this world and yourself, love. Do that, whatever you want to do, strive for your goals - this is all real. Do everything that improves this world is truly, from the soul, and you will always have ideas, money, motivation, love, happiness, respect

        I do believe we can trick our minds to produce oxytocin's, adrenaline, dopamine, cortisol, and endogenous opioids, etc... if we understand the pharmacy of the mind!
        All that you have listed is only part of the regulatory function and the intercellular body sharing, mind and consciousness is different, the mind exists without the body, the mind is the function of the spirit. You can see you inattentively read books that have been listed earlier
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          Originally Posted by He11o Wor1d View Post

          WOW!...)An unusually interesting your revelation, made me re-read your message in more detail several times, let it not miss anything
          I myself do not trust psychologists / psychiatras, and especially those who prescribe antidipressants. After all, instead of resolving the situation, they are thereby proposing to suppress the natural reaction to stimuli, which is not true and can aggravate the situation. Warm friendly conversation - the best tool.
          I also know how to regulate the pulse in seconds, just overlaw various feelings, etc.
          In my opinion, in your bowling club there were too aggressive personalities, against which you could not distinguish physically, if you were a great boxer, then this situation would not repeat again)
          You have achieved great success for your life and developed spiritually, almost all books and authors that you mentioned, I know. It made me forced you and your parents to respect at a high level. I sincerely condole about the death of your mother, I think it's all good and she will overcome all the ways of Bardo. You are very courageous and adequately met her death. This is a big plus and and indicates that it is doing well)
          Be present, you do not need to create characters from which reflect your nature not from all the parties. Perceive yourself the same you are in fact. Be proud and respect this world and yourself, love. Do that, whatever you want to do, strive for your goals - this is all real. Do everything that improves this world is truly, from the soul, and you will always have ideas, money, motivation, love, happiness, respect
          You nailed the one, I do not trust easily in doctors - I have a major phobia of needles, I do not like being probed, stuck, or prodded... I'm not a germaphobe or anything too extreme, but despite being wild in my youth, and a boxer as younger man (44-0-1) - I never have broken a bone, been really ill, or felt the need for hospitals or doctors outside of the occasional stitches or a cut that infected, etc. - but no surgeries to date or major impalements, I feel blessed and protected in that scope.

          Thank-You! - Yes, I too believe the universe does not waste energy - and I appreciate your sincerity in my mother's passing through Bardo -or- the process of reincarnation, as I was raised, but Alan Watts has taken me deeper into the understanding of Buddhism and I sincerely, feel I am in the forest - excommunicated from the societal dissonance, in a way. - I sincerely hope to achieve Bodhisattva and NOT STAY in the Forest!

          I am operating outside of what would be considered prior - my normal personality or archetype - I feel to have shifted into a full-blown introvert, whereas, I am -or- was more extroverted and sought attention, now I am not currently seeking ANY attention outside of educational or business mechanics and strategies.

          Thank-you - I feel connected to everything - the universe is within us - as we are within the universe, so we are in essence connected to everything! - I love that feeling, and when I made peace with my mom's passing - it was as if - she connected me to all my ancestors - as I sincerely felt all those whom died - but wasn't close enough for me to really feel or process their absence. But too, goes deeper, as I respect the entire ancestry - as should we all. Some people today carry little if any respect for their own parents, let alone their entire lineage. I think it opens doors or portals to our intuitive or psyche ability - though I only get glimpses of clairvoyance, I cannot make it happen.
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    Art I have yet to read the entire new post.

    I am crazy I find the biggest subconscious block is the need to struggle and have a story. To make things hard . And be worthy or deserving.

    Habits generally come from the habitat you are in. What changes in your environment or of your environment will make it far easier to do the things you want to do.

    There was a story about meditation I only remember the punchline " you meditate until it's clear on what to do next. Then stop meditating and go do that thing.

    I listen to a lot of alien watts as well and I think he said it once or twice monks that meditate for long periods of time are not showing any discipline they are enjoying themselves tremendously

    If you want to give up smoking get out more around other smokers who are to poor to buy their own cigarettes. So you migh buy a pack but only smoke half . I'm trying to jab a nerve with that did I hit. Haha

    Unfortunately conscious awareness leads you to the responsibility that you are creating your reality or the fantasies you call reality. Those people you see as asleep still get to believe everyone else is responsible but them.

    Normally though people who attaine high levels of awareness die or transition within a few years but the post Covid world provides a whole lot of new variables which are a source of adventure for those with awareness . And annoying the hell out of the majority by waking them up and kicking them out of one room and soon after they go back to sleep they get woken up and moved to another room

    Let people wake up and avoid being the but head trying to wake people up. They just go to another room and sleep.
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      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Art I have yet to read the entire new post.

      I am crazy I find the biggest subconscious block is the need to struggle and have a story. To make things hard . And be worthy or deserving.

      Habits generally come from the habitat you are in. What changes in your environment or of your environment will make it far easier to do the things you want to do.

      There was a story about meditation I only remember the punchline " you meditate until it's clear on what to do next. Then stop meditating and go do that thing.

      I listen to a lot of alien watts as well and I think he said it once or twice monks that meditate for long periods of time are not showing any discipline they are enjoying themselves tremendously

      If you want to give up smoking get out more around other smokers who are to poor to buy their own cigarettes. So you might buy a pack but only smoke half . I'm trying to jab a nerve with that did I hit. Haha
      I think you are on to something. I would have to admit, some of my best artwork, designs, writings, and even epic business that I had in the past - stem from being in a dark or unbecoming circumstance.

      So I do wonder, if I intentionally take myself down to those lows with a sub-conscious intention?

      That would actually makes sense, like force my self to grow -or-die type of scenario!

      The monks, bad discipline... I often feel "drunk in the spirit" lately. - And outside of coffee, sugar, and a little homepathic All-naturals, I am nowhere near a drug addict or drunk, never really was - I partied a lot until my significant other tamed me down to focus on the kids, and business - which I do not regret losing some of those friends.

      But... being committed to a wife and 3 children, business, and everyone else's needs - I feel now that they've grown up, moved out - I'm like dang, 1/2 my bucket list is unlikely at best considering how brittle the bones, aches, and pains have intensified after all those roughneck work years! I was hyper, kept me out of fights and jail, I suppose - a place to release, construction was fitting for someone with my high drive and energies! Not so much interested in that arena ANYMORE!!!!

      The cigarettes... I bought like 5 expensive vapes, chargers, batteries, juices, etc.. - and for awhile, there I was trying to quit smoking, and I'm smoking cigarettes, vape, and buds now - I was thinking; what the hell is wrong with me(?), trying to quit and save what's left of my lung capacity and start smoking 3 things instead of one -or- none at all.

      Even bud, I don't smoke a lot like when I was younger, couldn't sustain people without it back then, now it makes me a bit nervy, not paranoid but just I guess a feeling of guilt - for enjoying nature!

      [EDIT] No. You're not crazy... most people I know specialize in telling people how crazy their life was, is, as has been getting - and those stories are GOLD if you can escape and tell people "How you escaped....
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    The how I escaped part was simply the rattle snake crawled up beside me at to am and rattled its tail in the dark. I stood up and got the f away from the snake.

    Our bodies tell us after we have eaten if we ate to much and and what we should not eat or not eat at certain times by the discomfort in digestion..

    It been less escape accept from cold climates. And more getting my health beat to hell ignoring these signals. The slow learning and experimenting over time . And paying attention to the response of my body.

    I talk about food and using food to change behavior because people eat every day and normally people eat several times a day.

    Look for where things are uncomfortable or not working correctly and start with the most obvious things to do to improve them

    Anyway I prefer to refer to myself as a crazy and others as normals and I do that in conversation with people
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    Art

    I understand the point you are at. All the energy you interact with is your energy. It's the Universe not the themiverse. In any case the path I am on this point. Is to use this connection and state of awareness. To better enjoy the day to day living experience. I have gone through a life reset and I am around people more. But I only interact with those I choose to . Or who's energy is comfortable for me to be around.

    The more pleasant your experience is to you. The more people who are in a similar state will be around you and the less people determined to experience a miserable state will be able to stay in your presence.

    When people say from a point of envy "it must be nice " the response pi's it really freaking amazing.

    There is no point and denying yourself the life you want . Out of some masochistic sense of service to others .

    But it requires being willing to only use your connection to the universe and self awareness to judge how you are doing versus how you have been doing and how you can be doing. And not by how others are doing.

    And not to attempt to get others to judge themselves using you as a measure.

    You are the only one with you genetics the physical characteristics you currently have and your collection of life experiences . As you age it becomes nearly impossible to use others as a reliable way of measuring how you are doing.

    When people whe lucky to get out of childhood and 50 was considered old and wise and the world barely changed or changed much slower. Now on the other hand there are way to many variables.
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      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Art

      I understand the point you are at. All the energy you interact with is your energy. It's the Universe not the themiverse. In any case the path I am on this point. Is to use this connection and state of awareness. To better enjoy the day to day living experience. I have gone through a life reset and I am around people more. But I only interact with those I choose to . Or who's energy is comfortable for me to be around.

      The more pleasant your experience is to you. The more people who are in a similar state will be around you and the less people determined to experience a miserable state will be able to stay in your presence.

      When people say from a point of envy "it must be nice " the response pi's it really freaking amazing.

      There is no point and denying yourself the life you want . Out of some masochistic sense of service to others .

      But it requires being willing to only use your connection to the universe and self awareness to judge how you are doing versus how you have been doing and how you can be doing. And not by how others are doing.

      And not to attempt to get others to judge themselves using you as a measure.

      You are the only one with you genetics the physical characteristics you currently have and your collection of life experiences . As you age it becomes nearly impossible to use others as a reliable way of measuring how you are doing.

      When people whe lucky to get out of childhood and 50 was considered old and wise and the world barely changed or changed much slower. Now on the other hand there are way to many variables.
      Thanks. You are right on... some of the points you chimed in on are indeed a series of conditions or better still what most have been 'conditioned' to blindly accept as 'good enough' - as being older and wiser doesn't always get well received in the company of those we often conditioned ourselves to serve, share our lives with, or dedicated ourselves to tend to their needs, wants, and desires first - even at our own expense.

      Any decent parent would likely understand that they created a life-time commitment to their child/ren and even though their may be a wide swath of parents that did not truly commit to the responsibilities or responsibilities associated with raising a child or children - the majority in my experience still cared enough to do their best within the means they were able to procure.

      Now, shifting that focus to providing means, solutions, or some form of relief to others in such industries as most here serve - I sincerely took the approach as if I am equally obligated to anyone I serve, be it one of my own children or a client, customer, or prospect who lives next door -or- on the other side of the world - to me, it is all the same.

      We either commit to the cause of being a problem solver or provisioning others - or - we don't and only concern ourselves with our own premortal beliefs or individual well-being.

      I admit; there are at times where it does feel almost masochistic to continue serving those whereby the reciprocity, returns of our investments, or the ever-damaging expectations get the better of us for assuming blindly that others operate on the same or similar frequencies.

      Add into the equation, many of the people we all follow are indeed successful, experts, leaders, or visionaries that have proven you can start in your mother's living room, from a $25 cabin on a loan, or even from a rented laptop from Buddy's that you one day - hope to own, lol...

      But, the idea of change in self, that takes a consistency, a determination, and a series of disciplines and daily practices - I believe; most people cannot break an old habit easily.

      Sure, we could issue a "One-Step" to freedom report or create an entire series from the types of problems people face in the internalization or how they feel in the reflective lenses of time, space, energy, mass, and matter - and most will certifiably have a difference of opinion as to how to "USE LIFE's MIRROR" to gauge a better understanding of how others perceive both themselves and amidst the company or people they current allow into their lives. As you mentioned, being very selective to whom you dwell, interact, or share your time and energies with in this realm of existence, is a 'KEY" to maintaining one's own sanity!

      I am not finding it easy to imagine having to let go of certain people in my life, despite full well knowing they are on their own path. Sadly, the one's that pain me are the people whom I would die for - yet, they have no path chosen - they just seem happy to be lead by anyone who may sell them a ticket to paradise - or - in a more befitting example will take a $400 per week job - deny a business opportunity ot partnership and then cuss you out because they cannot make ends meet - and they want your help to fix the problem.

      When in reality, these people seldom (if ever) realize they stalled both your pursuits and the very things they seek, simultaneously.

      I am in a state of heightened awareness, like I have never been before. Part of me has found and embraced the surrealism, peace of mind, and the comfort of knowing all those years of study may not have provided 23.999% bars of gold, but I wouldn't sell the experiences I have been having for any amount of money. Normally, I wouldn't open up publicly or especially to people on a forum.

      There is a glint of hope, as I generally do not place much faith in such things - such as hope, luck, or that dream that something will just fall out of the sky and land in my lap... never been that type of person. I believe; as is so with knowledge, respect, and success - one must put their time in, earn those benefits, and embrace the fact; we continually pursue the means to live a happier, healthier, and more productive life.

      The last thing I truly want is to climb life's mountain alone - simply to post a flag at the peak, and have no one there to share the experience with... that would SUCK!
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  • Originally Posted by art72 View Post


    Our minds cannot differentiate reality - from fantasy.
    When I was a teenager and in my early 20s, I read a lot of Ayn Rand and Nietzsche.

    Although I've read lots of books on sales and marketing, because that's my living...I studied (and still study) books on rational thinking. What are irrational arguments and why? How does logic work (in its three main forms).

    The reason I study rational thought is partly because it helps my construct convincing sales arguments....but mostly because of what you said...

    "Our minds cannot differentiate reality - from fantasy".

    And I believe that's true. Our biases and perceptions can fool us.

    And that's why I study rational thinking. Maybe I can't tell is something is true or not, but I want to be able to tell if it's irrational.

    I have found something in my long life. Untrue claims are always explained with irrational arguments. The argument will tell me if the claim isn't true.

    Of course, true claims can also be explained irrationally, (Because most of us don't know the difference) and still be true. But there is always at least one well thought out argument that reveals if something is true or not.

    At least, that's what my brain is telling me...
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      When I was a teenager and in my early 20s, I read a lot of Ayn Rand and Nietzsche.

      Although I've read lots of books on sales and marketing, because that's my living...I studied (and still study) books on rational thinking. What are irrational arguments and why? How does logic work (in its three main forms).

      The reason I study rational thought is partly because it helps my construct convincing sales arguments....but mostly because of what you said...

      "Our minds cannot differentiate reality - from fantasy".

      And I believe that's true. Our biases and perceptions can fool us.

      And that's why I study rational thinking. Maybe I can't tell is something is true or not, but I want to be able to tell if it's irrational.

      I have found something in my long life. Untrue claims are always explained with irrational arguments. The argument will tell me if the claim isn't true.

      Of course, true claims can also be explained irrationally, (Because most of us don't know the difference) and still be true. But there is always at least one well thought out argument that reveals if something is true or not.

      At least, that's what my brain is telling me...
      Thanks. I agree, it can be difficult to rationalize what people say, do, or think... I too, desire to be better at discerning the difference of those who are sincere or true to a belief; be it a person, place, or thing.

      I sincerely knew some amazing salesmen/women growing up around multi-million dollar earners in small centralized local businesses, such as contractors, primarily.

      Although, I do not consider myself a great salesman - at least not yet, I do respect those who sell real solutions over the quick fix or push button magic. Either way, people need to eat, so I don't fault some of these people feeding the shiny object hunters per se, I don't subscribe to it either, if I can resist the temptation, lol

      But, my point is breaking away from old habits, self-doubt, non-beneficial routines, or be unable to discern when to listen to my own intuitions. That is a subject, I need to study or correct upon, for sure! - I cannot stay stuck in a repetitious cycle much longer, it spins me out - from that which you mention; thinking rationally, it's important in all areas of life, not just in sales or business.

      Oddly, I lack the ability to easily discern if those I aim to serve actually do think rationally - as of late - rational thinkers are hard to find in my current world!
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      • Originally Posted by art72 View Post

        Oddly, I lack the ability to easily discern if those I aim to serve actually do think rationally - as of late - rational thinkers are hard to find in my current world!
        I'll let you in on a secret.

        The vast majority of buying decisions are not made rationally. and they are not made emotionally (although that's what most everyone thinks). They are made unconsciously.

        And, never expect a sales prospect to think rationally, or say something rational. It's just now how humans think. Eventually you'll come to that conclusion.

        So what's the solution? You have to make their ability to think rationally immaterial. You have to ignore the validity of what they say.

        Originally Posted by art72 View Post

        Thanks. I agree, it can be difficult to rationalize what people say, do, or think... I too, desire to be better at discerning the difference of those who are sincere or true to a belief; be it a person, place, or thing.

        Most people are sincere. But they are irrational. They truly believe what they think and say.

        A losing proposition is to try to change their way of thinking with logic and reasoning. It's far more profitable to spend the time making sure that you are thinking rationally.

        It isn't so much what's true that matters. It's what they believe to be true that matters. Try to match your offer, and arguments to what they believe to be true.

        The only time you don't want to do this is when their beliefs prevent a sale. Or their beliefs may do them damage.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I'll let you in on a secret.

          The vast majority of buying decisions are not made rationally. and they are not made emotionally (although that's what most everyone thinks). They are made unconsciously.

          And, never expect a sales prospect to think rationally, or say something rational. It's just now how humans think. Eventually you'll come to that conclusion.

          So what's the solution? You have to make their ability to think rationally immaterial. You have to ignore the validity of what they say.

          It isn't so much what's true that matters. It's what they believe to be true that matters. Try to match your offer, and arguments to what they believe to be true.

          The only time you don't want to do this is when their beliefs prevent a sale. Or their beliefs may do them damage.
          Buying decisions are irrational - as have these issues with my wife, kids, and past relations in business, as well. My son said to me the other day; "Well I never had money like this before - so I wanted to live the lifestyle, even if just for a minute!"

          I wanted to grab a stick...BUT, that would be irrational! - If I dropped $30k in a month - and all I had to show was a new VR headset - XBox - iWatch, i13 phone, etc... my 3 kids would've been awaiting adoption at the local orphanage - so, I know; people do not buy rationally. (*All in fun, of course - forgive my sarcasm, still sipping 1st cup of c-fein!)

          I think it was it Vishen who stated;

          One person buys a new car right on the spot, no research, no let me think about it, or any rational application to just buying that car.

          Another buyer - does their due diligence, researches manufacturers, MPG, dependability, etc... does the full exam on a few choices.

          He stated - within 3-4 months, the person who did all their research, was unsatisfied with the purchase more often than not, while the spontaneous buyer still loved the car the picked on a whim!

          I was trying to process - How does that work?

          I guess, it boils down to how people value money, material possessions, their spending budget, price points, etc... but, I wouldn't have guessed a survey would rule in favor of the spontaneity of a buyer who just buys the first pretty car they see - be it a car, girlfriend, or a piece of software - I am digging to find the root cause or effect as to why do I need or want this item? - Hate to admit, but is that a sign of having known financial limits, hardship, or experience having to budget? - I would say "YES" it is rooted unconsciously, a no waste mindset!!!

          Most people I know - "Oh my God, what a pretty stained glass butterfly lamp - I have to have it" - BUY NOW - SOLD!

          My wife didn't buy one - she now has 3 nearly identical - the 1st one was bought for $8 at a thrift store - The other (2) she hunted on eBay, lol - $75 for those two, and justified her 2 new butterflies by saying - One person wanted $50 - The other wanted $45 - I put in a lower bid - and I WON!"

          Butterfly #1 = $8 - great deal!!!

          Butterflies #2 & #3 = Over 400% more (*each item) than the first purchase - and she celebrated those as a VICTORY for underbidding, lol.... i just don't understand it!

          Don't get me wrong - we put those flickering candle bulbs in them - they are AWESOME, I actually like stained glass - Tiffany lamps, windows, etc... it trips me out - I would NEVER just buy 3 butterfly lamps... to me, it defies all priorities - as is so with the example of my son, whom I love - but really - he should be starting a business with that money first - then go shopping, apparently - they think I am irrational in their world.

          Your statement (and sales experience) really does explain WHY - I need to write sales copy and NOT try to sell through oratory means. And, my wife used to sell over the phone when we met - full office suit, high heels, professional - the whole 9 - now, she thinks "phone sales" are dead - doesn't have any interest in any of the ideas I put forth for her to work from home (or at all, at this point) - and I know her sales strengths, I almost envy her ability to handle 20 rejections for one "Yes" - I don't have that gene some of you professional salesman/woman have. to withstand the odds.

          I think to a degree that's what got me seeking to write and sell online, to avoid all of that whenever possible. Still, my wife watched me close $60k,$30k, and plenty of deals around $5k when I wore a younger man's clothes in the fields of construction/remodeling.

          I found that easy, as people navigated towards my expertise in those fields, and I knew all the answers before they asked a single question - that didn't always get me the sale - but it damn sure helped build their confidence that I knew every phase - so, in many cases it set their woes, fears, and uncertainty at ease.

          It amazes what these threads remind me of and in essence teach me - as I had forgotten about much of those sales I did make - as the rejections always outweighed the few who did say; "YES!"

          The "unconscious" part is rather a new perspective, as I did think most buy from an emotional connection... but, if there's a vending machine selling sugar in a ER waiting room, it does paint that picture you projected - they just buy what is available - even if it is not healthy, and they are in a hospital!

          WOW - appreciate your insights!!!
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          • Originally Posted by art72 View Post

            One person buys a new car right on the spot, no research, no let me think about it, or any rational application to just buying that car.

            Another buyer - does their due diligence, researches manufacturers, MPG, dependability, etc... does the full exam on a few choices.

            He stated - within 3-4 months, the person who did all their research, was unsatisfied with the purchase more often than not, while the spontaneous buyer still loved the car the picked on a whim!

            I was trying to process - How does that work?
            This is highly advanced stuff.

            It has nothing to do with thinking rationally.

            The reason one person buys right away, and the other person does research forever is this.

            Buying is a transference of Certainty.

            When someone's certainty about buying something reaches a higher level than their fear of making a decision...they buy.

            And the difference between the impulse buyer and the researcher is this.

            The impulse buyer has an internal sense of certainty that is self generated. It has nothing to do with intelligence or rational thinking. It has to do with a feeling of certainty.

            The person who does the extended research before buying? They get their feeling of certainty from external sources.

            They read articles, reviews, reports, ask friends what they think....

            Why? They are getting the feeling of certainty from these sources outside themselves. And why do they do that?

            Because, subconsciously, to the researcher...these sources are taking responsibility for the buying decision. They are making the researcher feel more certain. The researcher appeals to authority. They want someone else (that they trust) to decide for them. Usually multiple "Someone"s.

            Of course, all of this happens unconsciously. They think they are being smart shoppers. And generally they are. But it is that lack of certainty that drives the need to do extended research.

            And, the research isn't research to find out more. They can do that in a 15 minute video, or by reading a brochure. The research is to find multiple sources of authority, so they can feel like the decision was made for them.

            The impulse buyers (unless they are just idiots) go through the same process. But it's all done internally.

            And why do they buy quickly, while the researchers may take months?

            The internal unconscious process of making a decision happens very quickly. Maybe in seconds. The brain processes are fast.

            But doing research takes that decision making out o the person's brain, and externalizes it. And reading, and doing research happens much more slowly than the internal process.


            Added later; So, why are the researchers less happy in the long run with their purchase (or any decision)?
            Because the multiple external sources of that feeling of certainty...are no longer there to support the decision.
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          Right.

          I'm sure at least half of our purchases were impulsive.



          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I'll let you in on a secret.

          The vast majority of buying decisions are not made rationally. and they are not made emotionally (although that's what most everyone thinks). They are made unconsciously.
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    The experiences you are having are yours . It your awareness being expanded.your enlightenment. Your realization. Many of them out there are probably at the start and many lifetimes away.

    What happens as you go down or into the other parts of this is you start seeing the people close to you or the people who come to you for help actually are interested in the help you can give.

    Accept that you have already done the bulk of the struggle. You are 50 you can easily live another 50 years. How much more struggle do you need 20 30 more years another lifetime or two.

    Can you enjoy thing coming to you without a struggle and when you need them.

    Do you want to continue under the fantasy of serving others when you are really just annoying them trying to get them to do what they have no desire to do.

    Mozart wrote great symphonies how much effort did he put in trying to get others who had no desire to write or play music to write or play music. But he did leave great music for those who came after to play
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Art

      The experiences you are having are yours . It your awareness being expanded.your enlightenment. Your realization. Many of them out there are probably at the start and many lifetimes away.

      What happens as you go down or into the other parts of this is you start seeing the people close to you or the people who come to you for help actually are interested in the help you can give.

      Accept that you have already done the bulk of the struggle. You are 50 you can easily live another 50 years. How much more struggle do you need 20 30 more years another lifetime or two.

      Can you enjoy thing coming to you without a struggle and when you need them.

      Do you want to continue under the fantasy of serving others when you are really just annoying them trying to get them to do what they have no desire to do.

      Mozart wrote great symphonies how much effort did he put in trying to get others who had no desire to write or play music to write or play music. But he did leave great music for those who came after to play
      I am not 100% confident my body holds the stamina to go another full 50 years, not dismissing the possibility - just unlikely, as I have known only 2 people in my family break the ripe old age of 100, one lived to 103 - and she smoked, so who really knows???

      You make a good point - my significant other would definitely agree - she claims I am a control freak - when in reality - over business "YES" - in telling others how to live or what to do or be... not so much, I am rather chill in that department.

      But I get your point, pushing something on a person who has no interest in doing or changing - doesn't exactly produce benefit to either party!
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by art72 View Post

        I am not 100% confident my body holds the stamina to go another full 50 years, not dismissing the possibility - just unlikely, as I have known only 2 people in my family break the ripe old age of 100, one lived to 103 - and she smoked, so who really knows???

        You make a good point - my significant other would definitely agree - she claims I am a control freak - when in reality - over business "YES" - in telling others how to live or what to do or be... not so much, I am rather chill in that department.

        But I get your point, pushing something on a person who has no interest in doing or changing - doesn't exactly produce benefit to either party!
        My mom died at age 75 my dad got to 80 and other members of my family made it into their 90s

        Stamina won't matter if money runs out so it's more about maintaining the ability to be productive and provide for your needs. Medical advances and higher levels of self awareness including awareness of how to support the body in it ability to regenerate will be the key factors.

        The earlier you go on that path and provide the example for the around you who can follow it if they choose. But the key it removing the need for struggle. So the positive things you should do are easier that doing nothing or doing detrimental stuff.

        People root of suffering is in the things people desire. My addition to that wisdom. Is because people believe that every people desire and don't have the believe they must struggle and suffer to prove they are worthy to have that thing.

        The things I do in hopes of extending my life also improve my day to day well being and make day to day problems and difficult situations easier to manage. Because the difficult situations force important. By having me fix problems now rather than cope with them for several more decades.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Well art your son was at least buying nice stuff was a nice suit or bespoke/tailored clothes on that list.

    I love studying what people buy when they spend lots of money. Practicaly though it looks like he ran through everything he could justify buying for himself and use .now the big discretionary spending will be food delivery services. He probably got the large flat screen tv with the surround sound and comfy furniture as well. Now if he wants more stuff he might need a bigger place.

    Why am I assuming the high monthly cost will be food delivery. Well he must work quite a bit so when not working he will be using the stuff he bought which requires time. Now there are in game purchases but I doubt he would be willing to tell you if he was or how much if he was buying stuff in video games.

    Impulse buyers are way more likely to be treating themselves to nice stuff and bought ready to show off and defend their purchases . An reference the joy they have from using it or their the joy they will have in the future.

    Researchers probably always discover a problem they did not find in research or more fun several people close to them will argue that is was not the best thing they could buy. And they where duped by authorities.

    Expensive is a fluid concept based in a persons ability to earn or spend money and the value they get from owning or using something.. or awareness of a place it might save them money somewhere else.

    Your son may have saved himself money by placing a majority of his entertainment needs inside his home. Rather than go out to bars to drink or eating at restaurants many nights a week or any number of entertainment expenses that add up over time.

    And good job raising a kid that can make 30 k a month .

    I'm autistic and enjoy studying behavioral patterns or that go together.

    Maybe the real money saving where you son is making good money is avoiding going out with his friends who earn less money and be expected to buy round or pay the tip . Or share the wealth.

    But that is a stretch
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Your son may have saved himself money by placing a majority of his entertainment needs inside his home. Rather than go out to bars to drink or eating at restaurants many nights a week or any number of entertainment expenses that add up over time.

      And good job raising a kid that can make 30 k a month .

      I'm autistic and enjoy studying behavioral patterns or that go together.

      Maybe the real money saving where you son is making good money is avoiding going out with his friends who earn less money and be expected to buy round or pay the tip . Or share the wealth.

      But that is a stretch
      I sincerely wish he was earning $30k per month - maybe a year - but the money referenced came from a car accident, not work. No he didn't buy a suit, or change much of anything - instead, he quit his job and basically became a "professional shopper" for the moment! - which I don't even understand, as his Mother and I worked relentlessly for most of his life - trying to set an example - and seldom ever showered ourselves in much luxury. We lived well most of his life, but we were not "glamorous" or "celebrity level" spenders, EVER!

      "Lately, it occurs to me" - (*Grateful Dead, lol)- that many of the experts, teachers, and ancient philosophies across multiple cultures are all really saying the same exact things - or - they mirror other wise teachings.

      I stumbled upon a case study by a woman named; Victoria Stevens who along with others began studying something they coined as; "neuro-esthetics" that suggests a person can go into theta - delta - or - gamma states and learn real world skills - without having had any prior worldly experience. Such as, learning the music or keys on a piano without ever having sat at an actual piano has been proven to work in some cases.

      I noticed about a year ago that my mental acuity had starting peaking and upon re-entry or coming down from deep meditations, I am am overwhelmed (beta state) as to which path to choose or in this case - which niche-market I sincerely would be best to serve others?

      There too, as an avid fan & listener of music, as are most, I would suppose... I find myself remembering tons of lyrics from multiple genres of music from classics, blues, rock, hard rock, metal, and some country and a few rap songs my kids impregnated in my memory bank, lol.

      But, I will write for a few hours - and need a break - I'll put on music to decompress and I find myself - beating the erasers off my Dixon #2 Ticonderoga black pencils atop of my notebooks - but, more importantly - I have never played the drums - my cousin Kevin did - we hung out a lot while he played drums - I ran pool tables - my other cousin drew epic picture and artwork - but I swear at times I remember ever beat - in time - with renowned musicians such as John Henry Bonham, Ian Paice, Bill Ward, Neal Peart (a.k.a. The Professor) and several others... I may not hit every note or know which drum they are actually hitting - but I feel like I found the main patterns they use and section the timing, fills, and beats to near perfection and almost anticipate when the drummer is going to shift speeds or run a drumroll...

      I am actually highly motivated to get my affairs in order in hope to buy a drum set as a means to replace the extreme physical exercise I no longer do daily as an occupational benefit.(*to learn the drums for personal fun, not seeking any illusions of grandeur or anything, of course! - I am certainly not seeking to be or become a rock start at 50 years old!) - Though, I am growing my hair back, lol.

      So, I do wonder, am I impart autistic(?) or - was this merely a "download" of sorts from the deep meditational practices I have still yet to fully master or understand.

      When I realized how much I was meditating or drifting over all the years I was working at peak physical conditions - I know my adrenaline was fueling part of my stamina - but, I never truly embraced the idea; we can alter our states of mind - just through centering and grounded breathing exercises - so, it doesn't surprise me that we can acquire new information - or it would invalidate WHO or WHAT lead me to explore all these paths - as it appears - many here share a vested interest in very similar fields of study.

      I am fascinated by that which I once thought to be absurd, woo-woo, or non-valid in reality - now, full 180-degree turn around, I now respect people like Alan Watts, Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, Maltz, and several others who "walked the line" - as Johnny would say - and now, I am trying to learn to use those gifts properly - if only my Beta-state mind would shut-up, and do what my spirit instructs of me - I probably wouldn't have needed to find Buddha to understand both my own suffering and the sufferings of others. It's definitely a "series of awakenings" - I do not believe it is all-in-one awakening, it is progressively being discipline in these practices that shapes, forms, and ultimately directs our personal well-being!

      The crutch being - if those we love cannot understand much of these practices or lack disciplines - it cripples me to leave them behind and continue without them... although, I do believe; as you defined as did others - we cannot force anyone to seek that which cannot be mapped out, followed, or taught to those with no interest to learn - at least not yet, anyways!
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by art72 View Post

        I sincerely wish he was earning $30k per month - maybe a year - but the money referenced came from a car accident, not work.

        The crutch being - if those we love cannot understand much of these practices or lack disciplines - it cripples me to leave them behind and continue without them... although, I do believe; as you defined as did others - we cannot force anyone to seek that which cannot be mapped out, followed, or taught to those with no interest to learn - at least not yet, anyways!
        How are you leaving them behind. If you learn to play drums. Or shape bonsai trees. Or start learning a range of skills that make life for you more entertaining.


        Well I don't have an answer for your sone or the tens of millions of other men in the country like him. Nothing you did as parents. It's some change in society that has caused men too stop trying and completely lose ambition outside video games. And adult content.
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        • Profile picture of the author art72
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          How are you leaving them behind. If you learn to play drums. Or shape bonsai trees. Or start learning a range of skills that make life for you more entertaining.
          That I understand from personal experience as people delivered epic truths, golden nuggets, and even wisdoms I too thought to have grasped 20+ years ago, that return to me now as "AH-HA" now I sincerely know what that person was trying to say, when I thought to know everything back then... so yeah, it's not' "I'm leaving if you don't do what I say" - moreover, if you educate, seek knowledge, and the people around you do not - it makes it hard to even hold a decent discussion - hence my revisiting this forum, I cannot find people who are even interested in much of what we here (*for lack of a better term) seek in knowledge, skills, and business or personal developments.


          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          Well I don't have an answer for your sone or the tens of millions of other men in the country like him. Nothing you did as parents. It's some change in society that has caused men too stop trying and completely lose ambition outside video games. And adult content.
          I don't either, I question everything from increase amount of shots required to enter the schools - to - blaming myself for working too much, and relying on schools, babysitters, and day care centers to watch our children - that I know back then cost me on average $1400 per month for 3 kids - and that was ONE full-time preschooler and (2) kids in aftercare, as my wife (*or -significant other of now 29 years) worked together for nearly 3/4 of our then synced relationship.

          And, that it exactly what behooves me - and leaves me to question my own manhood (parenting) to a degree, as I don't have time for that bs (*video games, virtual reality, and all-Star porn marathons on Tik Tok and INsta, as is so widely advertised today) - I NEED BUSINESS - or I will go f'ing insane, as is in the moment - trying to transition back into business, but in a different business.

          I keep going back to savidge4 and Gordon as they both seem to appreciate - the same principles from ANY BUSINESS can literally be used in ALL business, once you understand the founding principles of business.

          I know my problem is "compartmentalization" and having a system, a box, or a "filing system" to keep everything organized and efficient - as I had offline for years - that is a task today - I am working on that now from Start - Finish on ONE niche-market website - to building out into multiple websites or an entire "connected network" of websites which is the DREAM I am currently feeding!

          Lastly, I am not seeking ANY personal attention, rather attention to what I hope to deliver, and do so under probably a few pseudonyms (*pen names) - which feels like I am trying hide, scheme, or lie... but it is NOT about me - especially if I build a network, I can't sell me - I'd rather build a business than a personal fan club, so to speak - it just sucks, my kid said last night; "Dad, your wasting your time - go have fun - there is no future on the internet!"

          And, I realize; they are not my audience!!! - and, I don't need anyone's permission, approval, or any 3rd party reassurances outside of testing the results, responses, and feedback - I do currently fear the feedback - for in hindsight, I don't desire to waste anyone's time - or much more of my own, as time is fleeting!

          I knew that at age 18, whereas some still don't seem to invest in how they invest their time. (*not to imply anyone is right or wrong for how they choose to spend their time, of course) - so long as they are happy... and it appears (*on the surface) those who show less concern for time are generally happier, not worrying about business, future changes, in markets, or gaining knowledge, etc.

          My spirit suggests; "I should be celebrating the advantages this gives those with vison" - but it equally holds a negative value, as I am not a megalomaniac or sociopath.... feeding on the weaker, so to speak.
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Pen Names. Nom de plume', pseudonyms....

            Chuck Dodgson,
            Richard Bachman,
            Eric Blair,

            aka: Lewis Carroll, Stephen King, George Orwell.
            Or from the occult side of things, my fav: William Walker Atkinson aka as Theron Q. Dumont and Yogi Ramacharaka and maybe others too.

            Mark Twain.

            You probably are familiar with NEO-TECH by Frank Wallace a pen name for Wally Ward

            Since Neotech might resonate with what you are thinking (just guessing), it would be a good idea for a pen name. Bank robber John Leonard Burke became Chase Revel, founder of Entrepreneur Magazine and considered one of best Biz-Op inforpreneurs.

            Point being. There are many good reasons for using a pen name, no need to feel as if you are hiding anything.

            Thomas Jaye (one of my former Pens)

            GordonJ

            P.S. Wallace H. Ward has trademarked his pen name, Mark Hamilton and associated with all NeoThink, NeoCheat and has some youtube videos, might want to watch one?

            Originally Posted by art72 View Post


            Lastly, I am not seeking ANY personal attention, rather attention to what I hope to deliver, and do so undero probably a few pseudonyms (*pen names) - which feels like I am trying hide, scheme, or lie... but it is NOT about me - especially if I build a network, I can't sell me - I'd rather build a business than a personal fan club, so to speak - it just sucks, my kid said last night; "Dad, your wasting your time - go have fun - there is no future on the internet!"



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            • Profile picture of the author art72
              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

              Pen Names. Nom de plume', pseudonyms....

              Chuck Dodgson,
              Richard Bachman,
              Eric Blair,

              aka: Lewis Carroll, Stephen King, George Orwell.
              Or from the occult side of things, my fav: William Walker Atkinson aka as Theron Q. Dumont and Yogi Ramacharaka and maybe others too.

              Mark Twain.

              You probably are familiar with NEO-TECH by Frank Wallace a pen name for Wally Ward

              Since Neotech might resonate with what you are thinking (just guessing), it would be a good idea for a pen name. Bank robber John Leonard Burke became Chase Revel, founder of Entrepreneur Magazine and considered one of best Biz-Op inforpreneurs.

              Point being. There are many good reasons for using a pen name, no need to feel as if you are hiding anything.

              Thomas Jaye (one of my former Pens)

              GordonJ

              P.S. Wallace H. Ward has trademarked his pen name, Mark Hamilton and associated with all NeoThink, NeoCheat and has some youtube videos, might want to watch one?

              Whoa.... he kind of speaks what I want to write about - but he sounds hypnotic, that's wild... I had to shut if for a minute - trying to process just the first minute - the pull of his words almost sucks you in - leaving you to want to know; where is he going with this???


              And, Thanks - I knew some of the above use(d) pen names - but you educated me to a few I didn't know.
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                One USEFUL concept in the whole Neo-Tech/Think/Cheat world is that of a Friday nite essence.

                Basically, (and this is very basic)...think back to when you were a kid in school, M-F routine and controlled, but come Friday night, and especially as you got into puberty, well, it became a different world.

                Dailey school routines wore most of us down. But from around 3 PM on Friday until the dreaded alarm of Monday morning, we were excited, had fun, played hard...maybe had some chores in there, but the FEELING of a Friday night without a thought of what other people wanted or told you to do...where your mind ran free, and many a kid burst with joy on a Friday night, after a gloomy "work week" of schoolin

                Find Your FRIDAY NITE ESSENCE and it may be all you need.

                GordonJ

                Also, there are many of these types of organizations, and they all have at least one useful idea but it is usually buried beneath a garbage of sending them more money to insure your ASCENT to your TRUE YOU (or some level of grand sounding name of achievement)....



                Originally Posted by art72 View Post

                Whoa.... he kind of speaks what I want to write about - but he sounds hypnotic, that's wild... I had to shut if for a minute - trying to process just the first minute - the pull of his words almost sucks you in - leaving you to want to know; where is he going with this???


                And, Thanks - I knew some of the above use(d) pen names - but you educated me to a few I didn't know.
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  • Stoopidest evah thing is this:

    Compared to a Caahsmos gonna Caahsmos on out prolly frickin' forevah, whethah we gaht blonde hair or wonky boobies or a dick could roll away a rock & free sum kids from Explosion Space Burial Hell, likely we gaht more limited powah than we might suppose.

    An' with embarrassin' kinda uselessness comes the desiah to dream.


    Key to evrythin' is sparkystuffs.

    Happninsmack of one kinda sweeto 'gainst anothah, kinda thing.

    (Uh huh ... so I jus' wrote out my dream datin' site tagline there, but ffs what is wrong with that?)

    Far as sparkystuffs're concerned, whateveh strokes 'em into view an' life are equal forces.

    So you gotta wish on kissin' sweet on stuff without bein' no kinda dom zaaahmbie moron.

    Sparkystuffs.

    Kiss of uninevitables.

    Prolly you should seek this out in the mall tamara.

    "The ease of cruise is the begins of delooze
    as abrase exotically 'gainst milieux you can't choose."

    Fine words from a confirmed Yogah flopout expert, I know -- hey, but kinda ain't they?

    Wow! Are You In Spiritually Evocative Mode, O Princess?

    Uhm, no.

    See bcs a bat flew in my mouth on the way back from the store, an' though I prised her free so she could flap the heck off, she left sumthin' weirdsy tastin' between muh front teeth prolly was her dinnah, an' I am almost embarrassed to admit ... yeah, tastes OK.
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      Stoopidest evah thing is this:

      Compared to a Caahsmos gonna Caahsmos on out prolly frickin' forevah, whethah we gaht blonde hair or wonky boobies or a dick could roll away a rock & free sum kids from Explosion Space Burial Hell, likely we gaht more limited powah than we might suppose.

      An' with embarrassin' kinda uselessness comes the desiah to dream.


      Key to evrythin' is sparkystuffs.

      Happninsmack of one kinda sweeto 'gainst anothah, kinda thing.

      (Uh huh ... so I jus' wrote out my dream datin' site tagline there, but ffs what is wrong with that?)

      Far as sparkystuffs're concerned, whateveh strokes 'em into view an' life are equal forces.

      So you gotta wish on kissin' sweet on stuff without bein' no kinda dom zaaahmbie moron.

      Sparkystuffs.

      Kiss of uninevitables.

      Prolly you should seek this out in the mall tamara.

      "The ease of cruise is the begins of delooze
      as abrase exotically 'gainst milieux you can't choose."

      Fine words from a confirmed Yogah flopout expert, I know -- hey, but kinda ain't they?

      Wow! Are You In Spiritually Evocative Mode, O Princess?

      Uhm, no.

      See bcs a bat flew in my mouth on the way back from the store, an' though I prised her free so she could flap the heck off, she left sumthin' weirdsy tastin' between muh front teeth prolly was her dinnah, an' I am almost embarrassed to admit ... yeah, tastes OK.
      I can only imagine the levels you write at in sincerity, when you are not breaking down the universe in epic fashion - and making valid claims while doing so - blows my mind. I initially and almost intentionally used to skip over your posts as they defied my ability to comprehend much of what you have contributed - but as of late - by God, if it doesn't seem like I now understand exactly what you say in a higher display of detailing realities, as only you could define.

      Brilliant!

      Thank-you! - we used to do all those "funny things" on weekends, go to the mall and make fun of all the shoppers while we attuned our minds to the sciences with... - well let's just say - mind-enhancing drugs back then, lol. Your writ brought me back like 36 years (*and no, I "do not" condone anyone doing what we were doing at 14 years old, back in the day - lol)

      Those days have long passed, but "the memory remains!"

      [EDIT] And, I would lose my mind if there were that many squiggly red grammar lines in my writings - I get a few and start cussing our The Editor in my Word app... especially, when AI still doesn't have the capacity to know a damn word that already exists, or accept all the ones I make up and hope to "submit" to Oxford for approval one day... I find those words daily - but nowhere near your level of word play! That's awesome!
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Well in terms of law of attraction when it comes to to discussion as long as I am out where I can run into random people . The people I run into usually have something I want to talk about.

    If you are going to put out information people are interested in consuming even if it is entertainment for the. If they choose to go where you put it on the web there is no waste of time involved. If your stuff doesn't interest the they will stop reading or watching or listening and move on.

    Milenials got hit by the gfc in 2008 so the half that where not lazy lost 5 years of career building in their 20s. And gen z is the hunger games generation where they eather compete for what is left before global warming destroys the world or enjoy what they can now as there will be no social security or retirement or machines will soon take all their jobs
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