A lifetime of Woo-Woo, and how and why it can be helpful.

Timing and energy . And it not a mechanical energy the classic term was vibes that feeling you get from people or an area you are in.

People with the reality I live in energy feeders cannot stay around me or generally negative people. Everyone who comes around me and stays in my energy field is there in some way to exchange energy or because they have a piece of information I am seeking. It a matter of finding what that is.

I am an energy snob and try to be in an area or smooth out the energy of an area for my ultimate comfort.

As long as I follow my intuition and be where timing can work in my favor .

My them on the spiritual and woo woo stuff is how you personally use it in practical ways that result in importers daily experience.

As I hit a state of enlightenment or realization in the last month or so . There are a lot of little things just happening around me to support me. And it's stuff that just can't be planned or imagined as a possiblility before it happens.

Although I want to travel it looks like it will be a few years before things normalize to travel the way I want.. now that I am back in Florida and already have an id after just six weeks. I am focused on getting 3-5 acre of land and building a mini house.then building my food forest . Or more just being lazy and planting the food crops that grow real well in Florida.

Then I have a woo woo type belief when it comes to mentor type people. Rather than one person taking me under their wlng I have people show up when I need the and teach me or give me a tip or just point me to the right place . And it avoids the waste of a lot of time.

While we are on the subject of woo woo I will call it less a help full energy and more an energy of ease. But that is my perception at this point.

At the point I am at in my realization / awakening the stuff doesn't matter only the process of creating a more enjoyable personal experience in the present.even when things are far from ideal.

Well and part of my realization has been how little stuff I actually need while having access to a large number of things I don't need to own but can use occasionally when the experience requires.

As a survival mechanism I went numb to much of what was going on around me most of my life and put myself far outside the present moment.it was not do to physically or sexually abuse so there is no break in personality. Generally just the same miserable repetitive boring stuff kept happening over and over.

That was life prior to me going to live in Vegas an the last 6 years has been sorting through a wide range of experiences moving around to identify what things or experiences I want and don't want. What improves my experience and what does not.

Now the habit I have to break is the excess visualization of the future and pull more of that energy into present experience and work on a more intense. Satisfaction based present.

And as I do that I can provide the option and opportunity for those around me to have a much richer experience of life.

As I am an energy snob and those are the only ones who will tolerate or enjoy being around me.

Claiming to be enlightened/ realized/ awakend is an extreme level of egotism so I now see the world as a menu of options. That I have the power to choose the options I want to have better experience. And if options I didn't knowingly choose manifest they are keys to much better experiences after.

The energy has not been hiding. Humans relationships with energy of all types has been based in struggle and slogging through thick dense earth energy.so to get enough energy to survive required toil in the fields or burning some fuel to heat up water and unlock energy.either with food in a pot . Alcohol or burn oil for electricity..

Waking up now as we move to renewable and magnetic based power generation. And if you take virtually unlimited sources of electricity. Then producing fresh drinking water and water to grow hydroponic and electricity to run the lights and environmental controls.

And that is a small part of the great big changes it's dawn of a new time on this planet so you r's the time to wake up and get the house in order

Just had to chime in with a two cents worth of wit and say that the meat and potatoes of life is exclusivity.

Well Gordon,

When it comes to woo-woo thinking I bought my ticket for the crazy train a long time ago (chuga chuga, chuga chuga - Woo Woo!)

Granted, many woo woo thinkers might in fact be clinically insane, but most of us just see things from a different, more expansive, point of view.

We've tapped into an energy that's bigger than our conscious minds, and one that holds the secrets of creation.

Others might call us "woo-woo" or "cooked in the head" because we don't fit into their definition of "normal".

But as I get older, and learn to embrace a more creative kaleidoscope of perception, I've come to realize that "normal" might only be for people who can't handle the more beautiful questions.

Like "why not?" or "what if"?


From a strictly physical point of view...

Since the beginning of civilization...

Normal people knew machines could never fly... An insane person said "Why not?"

Normal people knew the world was flat, science proved it... An insane person said "What if it's not?"

Normal people understood we could never talk to someone on the other side of the world in real time... And now we're all crazy, because some lunatic said "What if we tried it this way?".


As far as metaphysical and/or spiritual woo-woo...

For those of us who've experienced such things, no convincing is needed because we already know it's real.

And for those who haven't, no convincing may be possible because they already believe it's not.


Fact is, I don't think I've ever met, nor do I ever care to meet, a truly creative or interesting person who isn't at least a little bit woo-woo in the headspace.

I love Mike M's emails....I'm an expert gardener but have learned quite a bit from him. He's a hoot.

I'd like to consider myself as a bit superstitious due to my background and upbringing my mom taught me many age old spiritual traditions passed on in my family such as if you step out the house don't instantly return even if you forgot something no matter how important it is keep heading towards your path and don't look back another one is if you are putting on your Jean belt and skip a belt hole it can be an indication of infidelity lol and thirdly if your right palm is itchy it can be a sign of some loot coming your way , I know their weird but those are some of many woo woo beliefs and traditions shared amongst my folks

I'd like to present TWO good articles, if you are interested in more woowoo understanding, or to see what many people maybe even a majority believe, OK?

The first is a good article by a skeptic and a pretty decent writer of human beings being human. All links are educational, no affiliation, it is always good to explore what other people think outside of WF/IM, don't you agree?

https://www.raptitude.com/2021/03/a-...robably-works/

This succinct article and the four stages of woowoo acceptance are keen.

This second one starts off with this:

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Cognitive Biases: Weeding Our Mental Garden
January 16, 2018 by Jonathan Vieker 2 Comments

I'm pretty sure you and I are on the same page.

As smart, hard-working people who want to get smarter, we're on a lifelong quest for personal development. No, we're not into woo-woo mysticism or law-of-attraction nonsense, but we are interested in making a conscious effort to get better at life. We want to improve, not just pass the time.

Oh yea, of course we are SMART, hard-working people...and NO we don't get into woowoo...and I love the arrogance of these types who value their intelligence and certainty above all else...anyhow, he does do a nice overview of cognitive bias.

https://jonathanvieker.com/cognitive...mental-garden/

We as marketers wanting to exchange value with others, are apt to study all that will help us either in a transactional nature or personal growth, and the transaction is much easier to understand and achieve before the growth part.

I introduced woowoo as a MIND topic, and my definition goes toward keeping the thread in that direction, although, you are free to submit an alternative definition which we all may find helpful and USEFUL.

No one can state absolutely that the study of woowoo, or even soft woo (psychology) as opposed to hard science (gravity) is beneficial for everyone, but I think here at the WF, there are many who would benefit from a little woowoo introduced into their lives.

Salespeople, copywriters and successful marketers do know about bias, belief and many, even BS, all of which is used to complete an IM transaction.

Let me know if the topic is worth pursuing, fair enough?

GordonJ

Exceptional post: Thanks Gordon. : )

The problem that many People make is dismissing all of something ― sometimes even the whole of Personal Development ― just because some of it is "woo-woo". And so they miss out on a lot a great information/knowledge. Even if a book (or concept etc.) is 80% "woo-woo", it's still worth reading and considering (IMO).

For example, I don't agree with everything about "The Law Of Attraction" ... However there are parts of it that I find empowering ... (Like practicing gratitude for example.)

Anyway, thanks for the great post.

[Added=] Here the term "woo-woo" means information that isn't proven/useful/practical enough. Some of it can be helpful ― amazing even. : )

I have been processing a lifetime of information for a good while now, and I am both respectful and highly grateful for all in which we inherit from the positive and negative influences alike.

Much of what we share - if not, ALL of what we come to appreciate, inherit, and share with others cannot be achieved without some form of bias - be it; "woo-woo" or downright proven scientifically, mathematically, or that to wit; holds tangible and/or intrinsic values.

However, as I feel to be privileged to continually explore the works and the minds of brilliant people - past and present - it remains impossible for me to comprehend (*again, my bias cannot be hidden easily) - how it is people can navigate through life without a compass, a map, a legend, or a clue as to the definition of "hidden treasures" - as we all share stock in seeking to fuel our being through an infinite supply of knowledge, tools, training, and EXISTING resources needed to preserve, protect, and provision for either ourselves from the individual level -or- as the whole of humanity from a heightened perspective view.

I was raised as a Christian - baptized, sealed upon my forehead an anointed cross of protection - and with reverence to the unknown, foreign, and/or alien nature of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

I seldom identify today as a Christian, as the bias, the limited views, and the religious dogmas - never seemed to truly satisify that itch - or- the need to know the TRUTH!

Whilst, I do not easily dismiss a great deal of the teachings, my origins, tradition, heritage, and long ancestral lineage that supported those Western Philosophical teachings - thereto, I reserve a certain measure of cognitive bias - as it would be ignorant to ignore - EVERY culture had or continues to have (or carry within) a similar - if not, identical teaching.

I mean to me - nearly all religious, spiritual, and/or mythological teachings carry both bias and an element of our own ignorance - for we simply cannot know everything, the identity of the external forces in totality, or in any likelihood retain the WHOLE TRUTH - for if we did, we would likely be robbed in silky white robes with flowers in our hair, and be humping like wild bunnies!

So, when we enter these realms of "woo-woo' - I truly feel we should remain skeptical and optimistic towards ALL that remains unknown, foreign, or alien to our mind-spirit's ability to conceive ANY subject - be it political, academic, religious (*I prefer spiritual), cultural, pharmaceutical, financial, or even media induced - as ALL of these hold some positive and negative woo-woo, or that which we either do not yet know - or - simply cannot know without evolving our mind - body -spirit to greater understandings.

Thereto, as I continually feel guided by a compelling urgency to overwrite my worldly biases - still, I cannot help to reserve some bias towards those who prefer to impose, impress, influence, impact, impair, impale, or implode their one-sided bias upon the whole - as if to have appointed themselves as gods over the lesser - when in reality, a large percentage of the "minority" would be severally suffered - had the "majority" sought to reclaim all-in-which has been stolen (*directly or indirectly) through the maleficent uses of psychology, philosophy, mythology, biology, socio-economics, history, and a host of other well-respected fields of study.

The inferiority and negative influence the "minority" imposes upon the "majority" - be it intentionally negative or simply the individual's inability to conceive "outside the box" enough to explore beyond what appears to be limited-beliefs or limited-access to an abundance of resources - resonates through the fabric of time, space, energy, mass, and matter to the extent; we deny our "Rightful Inheritance" on the account of fearing what we "know not!"

The human mind is hard-wired to do just that - protect, preserve, and provide the means to sustain your life - avoid danger, illness, disease, and especially; death!

However, wise philosophers, professors, and teachers alike "do not" support the mainstream or institutionalized schools of thought to such a degree - one should simply accept or deny ANY one subject, teaching, or exploration in seeking one's greater understanding of the universal truth - over that of what many blindly accept as the worldly truths.

In light of these negative behaviors - the imbalances of say; "The Global Economic Scales" - there is without a doubt a negative balance in much of what "we as a whole" were raised to accept as truth - or - that which was believed and influenced - by others - as a path for us to follow.

Meanwhile, every renown teacher (*most whom I would have labeled a bit woo-woo in my early years) have now resurfaced - bringing new meaning - almost in an indescribable manner - like supernatural - superimposing - or - downright leaving me to question; EVERYTHING we were taught to blindly accept as NORMAL!

Today, I would describe NORMAL as being woo-woo AF!

Normal is obedience to the systemic suck, and obeying what others either insist or demand - as is so with most of the aforementioned institutionalized and systematical influencers that began - long before our arrival.

One example being;

Child bearing.

In the civilized version - you bring a pregnant woman to the local hospital after her water breaks. (*If your not into at home birth - which is practical frowned upon these days, in many civilized cultures) to wit; we could almost compare the process to a 72-hour "Baker Act" for someone undergoing mental illness.

Granted - this is a different reason for visiting the hospital and "The Baker Act" suggests the individual is not medically or mentally fit to decide what is best for his/her own safety - thus, giving in essence the "power of attorney" to a licensed medical professional to determine; if the subject or individual is a direct threat to his/herself or a threat to society at large.

Meanwhile, back to the typical maternity ward, child bearing process - and the socially accepted (*almost institutionalized) protocols - a woman goes straight to the hospital to be monitored and cared for while giving birth and for a day or two thereafter.

What fascinates me and equally perplexes me is the ideology of the hospital as a "BUSINESS" suggests; we need that bed for the next pregnant woman and in essence, billing purposes for services rendered.

Yet, let's examine a few biological and proven facts about child bearing...

1.) The hospital (*or parent in many cases) cuts the ambilocal cord just moments after the child arrives.

2.) After a short bonding with baby, Mother, and in some cases - the Father (*or family) present during the birthing process - the child is wrapped and taken to another room for examinations, cleansing, and I don't know the exact details or extent of the actual procedures - but is then probed, prodded, and possible injected with specific medicines, etc...
3.) The average healthy birth - whereas, Mother and newborn are declared healthy - generally takes place with a turn-over rate of 72 hours or less. (*Unless, there are complications, of course)

So, like the "Baker Act" example of a 72 hour hold for evaluation - we see a similar turn-over rate for newborns and the Mother being cared for about the same length of time. Again - totally differing circumstances - (*hopefully she; The Mother - wasn't "Baker Acted" while having a baby or impregnated while under a "Baker Act" - raw dark humor escapes me!)

My point???

I think it is scientifically proven that a newborn should not have the ambilocal cord cut immediately, the white film should not be wiped of the newborn's skin, and outside of checking the child and mother's vital statistics - should not require being probed, prodded, or need any outside medicines, injections, or examinations!

Still, the hospital performs these tasks, the turn-over rate is nearly identical to the 72-hour Baker Act - and the business of both centers on "billing/invoicing" - over that of being respectful to both the mother and the newborn having proper time to bond, absorb, and retain the nutrients intended by NATURE at birth!

To me - Hospitals are WOO-WOO, and outside of giving birth - I had the displeasure as a teenager of being Baker Acted (*although I was forceable removed by 3 bikers - true story for another time) in just under 36 hours - so not to have stayed the entire 72 hour Baker Act, and I have bore witness to my own 3 biological children's births at Broward General Hospital in Fort Lauderdale, Florida!

At that time - I was oblivious, ignorant, and had no foreknowledge of the sciences that suggest; a child should remain connected to the ambilical cord longer than most hospitals permit - the white film (*motherly nutrients and vitamins on the newborns membranes) is critical to allowing that child to develop properly and absorb as much nutrition at birth as possible.

In closing - to cut the cord to soon, wipe the child clean, and then remove the child so quickly from the mother's arms, breast, or presence suggests; "These people are INSANE!" and knowingly endangering the baby, the bond, and the proper procedures, and WHY SO?

MONEY - turn-over rates, invoicing and billing.

Let alone the trauma a newborn must endure when being poked, prodded, probed, and possibly injected nearly immediately after birth - sickens me, and leaves to wonder; "How is it each generation seems less disciplined and more controlled than the last - if there is no fowl play in the systems we were taught to blindly know, trust, and ultimately RESPECT?"

No need to guess which science my bias supports!

The other science is beyond woo-woo - they are control freaks, insane, and be it this life or the next we need to bring the balance back to the majority - I always had that internal hunger - though, I still cannot truly define WHY do I care about how hospitals, institutions, or the system operates - I alone cannot change it, right?

And, as it appears; "NORMAL" is woo-woo as "The Majority" lack the courage or desire to stand against any goliath that implies they will suffer punishment - if ever, they attempt to do so.

But, all-the-while, "The Majority" have been robbed, tormented, and ill-equipped based on such limited beliefs, fowl teachings, practices, and authoritarian rulers since mankind started documenting life on cave walls, pig skins, parchment, and now digitally!

Nothing changes - the numbers don't lie - people do!

That to me is the ULTIMATE WOO-WOO - as would be for us (*The Majority) to continually ignore all the warnings, signs, and tell-tale stories that suggest:

- Speak or promote the TRUTH (*like Christ) You'll be crucified!!!

- Seek knowledge - you will be punished!

- Disobey - you will be punished!

I used to believe; I was wrong (*and punished most of my life) for standing against such bias, here I am at 50 - and after multiples of awakenings (*not one) - tuned to C.G. Jung's (Shadow System), Joseph Campbell's ("Follow Your Bliss" - "The Heroes Journey"), and countless others from ALL cultural wise teachings; Hermetic - ("The Kybalion" -Trismegistus Hermes), The Tablet - )"As Above - So Below - Thoth)" - Christianity/Catholic - (The Holy Bible" Holy Trinity) - Buddhism -Tao - Daoism -Hinduism - (Dharma) - and every culture, country, and tribe alike - has a core virtue or value system!

Anything less than pursuing "The Truth" to me - is beyond "Woo-Woo" - it's bat sh!t crazy to ignore the demand to be counter-intuitive to such menial and sustained threats - as these problems span - 3000+ year old issues, whereas, the majority blindly accept "What is" and seldom (*if ever) deviate from the paths of least resistance that are both heavily trodden and hold little (*if any) resources.

Burying one's talents - doesn't work, tried that a bunch of times!

Ignoring the facts - doesn't produce befitting results!

Going gangster - might work in some cases, but not over longevity!

The BIG SECRET to me, isn't a secret at all, it's not magic, VooDoun, or pill or potion...

It's "The Philosophers Stone! - mentally turning what would otherwise be rendered worthless and turn it into the equivalence of GOLD through compartmentalization's and mentalizing the pre-conceived outcome, not an easy climb, if you are toting a bunch of DEAD WEIGHT and useless to bear such unnecessary guilt, burden, or indifference - when the majority are all seeking the same things; resources to either sustain or enhance their quality of living.

Lastly, I find it both fascinating and equally haunting that I was writing in journals and purely for personal reasons (*or so I once thought!) and now I am freaking out as the teachings are confirming those writings are something bigger than I;myself could've ever imagined - as I began selfishly seeking answers - never realizing those answers come from places I cannot truly difine without giving reverence to the unknown - call it what you choose, it's all the same - as those that found out these things before we were born in many cases!

What to do with it(???) - that still keeps me up at night feeding the mind/spirit, lol

TLDR... Sorry, I've been burning the midnight oils and this subject hits the core of EVERYTHING - I am currently trying to process, which is a lot to take in and frame out!!

I could get super specific into my beliefs and understandings etc... but...

Each and every person is where they need to be... Myself included, could be further along on the journey...

But we like to be hit in the face with 2x4's multiple times before we realize that maybe another choice/path at this moment is needed.

"Enlightenment" is being in the NOW, the moment.. and with that a musical share...


Yes, I am a techno head... Yes I love my Son, I love my wife, but music is my mistress

Music is the expression, by playing or the act of listening of your inner being.. your current state of mind... Music lifts you, or sends you deeper - what you play and what you listen to are choices...

Ah choices.. are there choices? or is there opportunities to select again, and again and again - the 2x4 in the face - over and over and over - choose wisely says the wise man on the mountain, choose wisely.

The further one can see out into the future the more able they are to work and experience the now. The behavior based diseases of today develop of decades. Unless there is a genetic issue.

Art mention the minority who control the masses. I'm getting the feeling Gordon has met several in that minority. And from what I observed it less control and more execution on plans that stretch over many decades. Much of the control is from within the masses.

Jeff bezos , Elon musk, warren buffet. And others work in far longer time frames than is common even in business today. And with in those timeframes what they need to get done today is in line with the long term.

When bill gate was talking about computers on every deck and every home in 1980 . Iit was crazy talk to the masses and maybe the experts. The experts still think much of what Elon says is crazy talk.

Woo woo can easily fit in the category of anything that current science or the experts in any area thin is fancy based thinking.

As far as goals go. I saw what retirement ment to my parents and my father had pension social security and a small mortgage payment.

I learn how to take care of my health now and I won't have to spend hundreds on medications every month 25 years from now. If I take care of my body now so it is in a continuous regenerative state. And feed myself the food that promotes health. If I build a house that can run off renewable power. If I could grow my calorie crops and my greens I can prevent having to pay more and more every year for food and electricity .

So it really depends what you considered a goal. And know how what todo today will effect you decades from now

Savage

Ok disagree To me what they do involves long term planning and execution. Once this split becomes apparent in the way we view things. It leads to a frustrating chain of discussion.

If we can establish some way to turn the disagreement into a discussion that would be excessively joyful. Rather then a cascade of frustrating disagreements.

In an attempt to understand what you are saying. Let me strip it down to a basic premise you might be willing to work with and expand on.

To do this thing they want to do now that requires resources and large numbers of people. They use the stated long term goal as marketing to get those resources and as a way to explain what they are doing now.

Many of the pieces Elon has in place between building the rockets and the boring machines and getting into the refining of materials for battery production. Make it look like asteroid mining is more the goal than getting to Mars. But that just might be my autistic pattern recognition seeing a pattern where there is non.

That I can understand and agree with

As a practical statement use a bowl was a bowl was probably very good possibly for monks living in a monastery.

I was the youngest in my family so I got stuck with cleaning everyone dishes many times. And where I move around and sometimes only live in an apartment a few months. I only buy one set of dinner plates and a few forks and knives. A pan . And it either clean the after each use or see the dirty dishes in the sink.

Over time you learn not to make as much of a mess. Unless you really enjoy cleaning.

If your not interested in enlightenment you can leave the dirty plate and hope someone else cleans it thus shift your burden onto others. But if you are on the path. You take care of your own burden with shifting it onto others.

And monks go into monasteries at young ages so your pondered a teaching meant to teach children to clean up after themselves.

My view is there are many of the mystical or spiritual quotes the people ponder of . The turn out to be practical instructions that can be applied to life. If you read the entire passage are many common biblical quotes it tends to be practical. A story with a message of what you should be doing.

So yes it leads back to now

One of the more controversial concepts in THINK AND GROW RICH was found in the chapter on the SIXTH SENSE, which is as woowoo as it gets.

It made men like Art Williams back off of their suggestion for reading the book, although he said it was life changing, he also said he never really got past the part of setting goals.

Whatever. Many people who do endorse Nap Hill and TAGR, skim or skip over this chapter where Napoleon Hill talks to dead people and it becomes so real in his mind, and he writes:

These meetings became so realistic that I became fearful of their consequences and discontinued them for several months. The experiences
were so uncanny I was afraid if I continued them I would lose sight of the
fact that the meetings were purely experiences of my imagination.

He goes on to write how he resumed the meetings and makes a point about the IMAGINATION, which is one of the most powerful life manifestation tools we have.

Well, back in the 60's, when I first read TAGR I assembled my own INVISIBLE group of people to chat with. My experiences were not unlike those of the great Robin Williams who had many an invisible playmate back in his alone childhood.

Most kids outgrow their imaginary friends, and others like Napoleon Hill tune into them as adults.

It is not unlike a roundtable meeting, imagine for a moment, Bezos, Musk, Buffett, Jobs, Gates doing a zoom conference, sure Jobs would be from the beyond...but he left us plenty of his thoughts which we can still tap into.

I mention all this to ask you all, how much of your IMAGINATION do you use, is it a daily part of your routines?

I call it an ACTUATED imagination when it is purposefully tasked with either solving a problem or bringing knowledge to me when needed, or making a little magic happen (like finding a parking space).

IMAGINATION.

Or do you talk to dead people too like Nap Hill?

GordonJ

Gordon
Oh boy haha. Don't really talk to people it's more visual of a concept without finer details. I can get clear images of the many of the parts but those parts never meld into one big picture.

My imagination works more by putting many different concepts together and the works to synthesize different potentials.

Adding in. It all collapsing in though as I can be imagining something an someone around me will start talking about it so I had someone else to bounce ideas off.

I really have to start being careful about what I imagine as if it is possible even if very unlikely what I imagine can happen a lot faster than I expect. So I know long have the luxury of imagining things I do not want.

Yes the mindful choice is to go somewhere where you have a range of foods the taste good and are healthy. If those are the contrasting options.

Go where you have a much wider range of healthy options or provide yourself those options.

We still on different worlds ?

Gordon

Take a commodity add a good amount of woo and get people to pay a premium.

Take pink salt mined in Pakistan and call back t hymilain salt and give it all types of special properties. While charging way more for it.


The marketing for premium priced products especially those that infused quite a bit of woo is interesting

Gordon

I think we have mentioned the importance of story in threads on the marketing forum.

My view on woo is it either adds to a story or provides one where one is not.

I would consider your remote viewing less woo woo because at the time both sides where putting resources into it. Heck and you could have easily be projecting some imagery to hide the sub from Russian remote viewers

It woo woo or just fantasy until science researches it an proves or disproves something or we invent a device that can measure and observe.

As we grow our areas of interest shift so we can be interested in an buying certain products for a time. Then move on to others.

I was a bit to jingoistic with the while they are interested in woo they will buy from you line.

But it's catchy.

Here is the thing I still have many physical issues including an injured lower back and at43 I get arthritis flare ups that limit movement. The amount of physical work I can do in a day is limited and will probably be limited for the rest of my life.

Now I can balance and be pain free and medications free. And in today's world that is woo woo. The more plant based I eat and the fresher food I eat the easier it is to be physically great.

So that it where growing most of my food comes in and preparing cooking all my own food.. mostly plant based but I might have chickens for eggs or ducks for eggs meat and to render animal fat.

Not much to document. Honestly..

Get the resources and money to buy a few acres of land. Buy a prebuilt shed and convert it to a small home. With a renewable power system. And learn to grow food starting with growing what grows great here.

Any documentation probably has to wait until I have the land. But I have to get my license here and get a vehicle. I am basically completely restarting life from this point. I was in a place where ever area of my life was miserable and wrong 6 years ago and the last six years was bouncing around into different situations to figure out the basics of the life I want.

I might skip all this business stuff and just go with recycling pallets as a way to earn money going forward. And a few other small things.

I am in an incredibly difficult set of circumstances right now. But I have never been a beggar . Nor will I ever be . With no very attractive involved.

And I will get snarky and defensive when someone repeatedly ignores what I say I am trying to do and continues tell my howto build a cathedral. When I am just trying to build a wall or to learn how to build a wall.

The aggression in my argument is from the perception in the advice given by those who have success in business over decades. To the people starting out any type of business. That the only option you have is to build a cathedral. Or large million dollar or billions of dollars business.

The majority of people starting business will at best get to survival levels where they will support their needs or work a job and make enough money in their small business to reach the comfort level they want.

But the more competent people who manage that the fewer competent people that need to be paid higher wages. By those who want to build something bigger.

I believe in goals. Start with self awareness the set response goals that are just beyond what you think you can achieve and possibly unlikely but not impossible.

From being in a place where everything was out of control.

So tell me when it comes to responsibility and most businesses fail and nearly every diet fails the responsibility is to stop doing things that fail the majority of the time.

I will not take responsibility for failure when the thing that failed .failed nearly all the time. Accept for those with skills or genetics most people don't have and can't learn.

My responsibility to myself is to find models that work most of the time and work over the long term and learn to follow that model.

Doing what works over time is usually hard at first but gets much easier over time. Where as life spent following advice that is inappropriate or does not work to begin with gets harder to live as time goes on.

With the great resignation the masses of baby boomers retiring earlish open up many opportunities for younger generations to move up or move around to find employment that better suits them or just pays better. Or pays less saves commute time or costs less to do. And allows for a side hustle that provides any extra cash needed.

With the great resignation and many people starting side businesses. Has there been a huge influx of new people looking for information on this forum. Who stay more than a few days.

A little late chiming in here, forgot about this thread!

As GordonJ mentioned; I too am into the woo-woo for PRACTICAL reasons, more so trying to understand how my beliefs haven't changed all that much, rather my understanding has increased exponentially as I research everything from God - Satan and in betwixt! - and try to understand it from a neutrality as Hermetic teachings and to a degree many teachings mention the balance, neutral, or the observer's role, which I consider myself an observer/explorer first - especially entering into arenas I have not yet examined thoroughly enough to accept or dismiss just yet.

I do not identify as religious, rarely ever did if ever, though I was raised in traditional Western philosophy Holy Trinity, etc... I don't dismiss much of the virtues, values, and even some of the metaphysical properties that are often debated by alternative philosophies or those who choose to believe in nothing per se.

But I do believe we should have been introduced to specific teachings I didn't start exploring outside of say Catholic or Christian teachings and beliefs, and sometimes it pains me to think; there's a ton of abuse (or misinterpretations) throughout much of the traditional Western philosophies!

There's always been the concretions and universal laws which I respect without feeling woo-woo at all. That just virtuous, value, and principle based aspects of any good teaching.

but, I was looking for a new book outside my normal scope the other day and remembered somebody mentioning "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard many years ago and someone I didn't know too well recommending that I read it.

I googled Mr. Hubbard, found a documentary on him was kind of turned off - even in my own ignorance of having had no clue Mr. Hubbard started Scientology. Hey, to each their own, but I would definitely get on a Tony Robbins kick - before jumping on one of Hubbard's boats. Yet, there are people who sincerely believe the overall good is being served in that culture(?) - I don't know what they refer to it as, they mention the word; church - but there seems to be more to it than that, not my cup of tea, personally!

I admit, some of the people I am now highly attuned to such as Alan Watts, and thanks to Gordon - I am actually blown away just now learning of Mark Hamilton's NeoThink and 200 million book sales. Some say that too is a scam, but I read a bunch of what he wrote about and I agree that guy seemed genuine about helping people escape the rat race!

It's not like we go to the politicians or the churches to learn about making, managing, or developing financial security. The academic world is finicky at best as tuitions and schooling costs basically puts you i9nto to debt with no guarantee of a job without putting forth a sincere effort to capitalize on the knowledge gained in say college or an accredited school of thought!

To me, it seems a bit woo-woo that I would need to invoice about $200k - $250k per year to live the way I did 20 years ago, before the 'bank bail outs" that basically wiped me out! - I think it was the lingering fear really that toppled some industries and shook the core of small service based business owners like myself, whereas, I was merely serving clients - a small step up from hourly or salaried pay. At least then the more I worked, the more I made.

But... honestly, I followed everything from world leading physicists chasing down UFOs, to becoming a fond disciple of Buddhism - which normally would be woo-woo for someone raised on Jesus!

I don't judge people based on their beliefs or non-beliefs in God or a specific religion, even though some have carved out the means to retain their early beliefs and expand upon those beliefs as Neal Donald Walsh did with "Conversations with God" - or- Erick von Daniken - "Chariots of the Gods" and he who inspired nearly all sci-fi movies, books, and researchers around the world in multiple fields of accredited studies...it just blows my mind, as he too felt something more was not being shared in most churches, governments, or traditional teachings.

I have always been skeptical and optimistic... but not disrespectful to allow my ego to get too big or become megalomaniacal. I am not a big fan of such types, typically!

It's just within the last 5 years, almost every study I have dug into seems to be suggesting the same things;

Everything is connected. It's all mirrored from our inner cells to the outer reaches as with communications, environmental signals, and age-old influences that rarely if ever change without a war, major discourse to disprove the old teachings, or a battle of wits between the sciences, as to; who is actually serving the greater interests of humanity? nature? and the whole?

Seems to me, power, money, and influence will permit damn near any teaching - so long as it doesn't go too extreme like drinking the Kool-aide or requires some brutal act to be indoctrinated into the cult, club, gang, or tribe... and for some odd reason, I favor the tribe over all. - Peace pipes, tribal drums, and giving thanks seems to still pique my interests towards serving the greater good of humanity, even when I am failing - for I, personally cannot make excuses to take advantage of other people, as I have experienced being taken advantage of (*ripped off) and have witnessed happening to others - online and offline.

Caveat emptor applies to a multitude of offerings and teachings alike. So, I tread with caution, as I am just woo-woo enough to believe; what we do on this earth may not just effect us in this life, in between, or beyond this realm. I reserve great respect (reverence) for all that remains unknown, woo-woo or not!

Art

I enjoy listening to Allen watts another voice at the time to listen to us marshal McLuhan explaining how the media of the time effect how people see and interact with the world.

Unlit there where microscopes that could see germs and pathogens. Germ theory was considered woo woo for decades. The same with the doctor who proved many ulcers where not from stress but infectious in the stomach that could be cured with antibiotics.

I think it's easier to filter through the woo woo world if you are looking for a practical application to a personal challenge that the world doesn't provide.

But there are people in it who are looking to escape their problems instead of solving them.

My favorite concept from Buddhism is either called the biggest problem or the 99 th problem. Which comes down to humans will always have a long list of problems. The biggest problem is the belief they should not have any problems.

The interesting part of the story of the buhhdah and I can't pronounce or spell the rest of the name. Was he was born a prince with everything provided for him. And it was exposure to others problems that put him on his path.

It's only Socrates or one of the Greek philosophers who was among the richest of his tim and left great wisdom for the ages. But he had a practice of stepping out of his wealth and living like the poorest of the time for a few a period of time.

Today when I want a modern wise voice to listen to I go with sahdguru . He uses pretty good social media marketing to market his inner engineering course.

We all have different lives what is practical is from one person to another and local environmental and geographic conditions to another.. so what is woo woo for one person is practical advice for another.

The world we live in is an ever growing list of options of things we can do thing we can eat places we can travel conditions we can live in. Being born in or residing in the USA we have a long list of places we can visit without leaving the country.

Only a small fraction of what now can be done. Is doable in one lifetime. Ther are times you need to do stuff you don't really want to do to do the things you really want to do. But spending most of your time on stuff you don't want while almost no time on the stuff you want is a waste.

Let the people who want to do the stuff you don't want to do. Do that stuff. All it takes is accepting there are others out there who take great joy in doing it

Gordon

Identity is critical to self improvement personal growth and other things.

For the last 200 years pretty much everyone in modern advancing societies get richer. The rich get richer exponentially and the less fortunate get rich a few percent a year.

At what point can someone claim to be rich or claim to have success. And identify themselves as rich or as a success. How do they judge if they are improving. Where do we start measuring that .

Where do start seeing the momentum of positive change and start fanning it on . Rather than rushing to assess someone a failure and writing ignoring or discounting it all as worthless.

The line of exponentially growth tends to be flat for a long time before it takes off

Good thread Gordon.

I see two really different things IMO are discussed here.

(1) We're discussing how "woo woo" can help you be more successful personally

and

(2) We're discussing how using woo woo in your marketing can get you more sales

I think (2) is very different from (1) and it is its own topic. Personally, I agree. Using woo woo in your marketing will definitely get you more sales. I've worked and coached people who started selling these woo woo stuff. Most successful one made sales of over $1M, starting with nothing but dropshipped products off Aliexpress, in less than 1 year. No content, no nothing. Just find products, run ads, get paid. Profit at around $200K (and that doesn't include selling the biz), almost ALL from the front-end, very little use of lists and re-marketing.

Now the reason for all this is all in the market. Most of these woo woo folks are gullible (don't mean that as an insult, it's just how I see it - they take almost anything they read as true), and unsophisticated buyers. I mean, who else would pay $200 for a crystal that gives you positive vibes? o.O So the copy/marketing doesn't even have to be good. You can make many millions of dollars selling to the right market with crappy marketing. It still works. Compare that with something like my agency clients, let's take coaches in particular. It's damn hard to scale a coach who doesn't have a solid brand already, social proof and so on. Even the best marketing and copywriting sometimes fails. Direct response alone isn't enough. Also needs branding. If a coach comes to me with literarily nothing, I can't just tell him "send this message to people and start printing money". It won't work.

Now, I disagree about woo woo being helpful in the sense of (1). It is true that I've never had any of the experiences that you've spoken of, but I have read a lot of literature that could be considered woo woo, including Joe Karbo's book you mentioned, Collier's Secrets of the Ages upon which Karbo's was partly based on, works of people like David Hawkins and so on.

I know for myself at least that it's possible to be successful in business and NOT have the right mindset. I didn't start any of my businesses thinking I'll succeed. I'm actually quite pessimistic by nature. I don't really "believe in myself", unless you count taking action as believing. I take action in spite of my beliefs many times. I have also found it damn hard, if not impossible, to change beliefs. And believe me, I've read both of Tony's books (referring to Awaken the Giant and Unlimited Power), paid for a lot of his programs, and so on. And he's just ONE of the gurus. You can count Katie Byron, David Hawkins, Hill, Maltz, as just some of the others I've read that immediately come to mind. None of that stuff works for me. If I'm afraid of something, for example, I can talk about it till I turn blue in the face, I won't stop being afraid. I can question my beliefs, reframe them, etc. but they always come back. The only thing that works is taking action, and then, over time, those beliefs change.

But the first time you take action... those limiting beliefs are there. You must act IN SPITE OF them, rather than worry about removing them first. Worrying about getting rid of your limiting beliefs is in my opinion procrastination. If you have a limiting belief about sales, for example, and experience anxiety when cold calling... you can do all the mental prep you want, the very first call you make, you're going to experience anxiety. No ifs or buts. It's just there, regardless of how much you've worked on your beliefs. Because your limiting belief is the first thing that springs to mind when encountering the situation. So to get good at it, you've got to push through it (ie, courage) and act in spite of your fear, rather than seeking the absence of the fear first.

I think that the KEY to success is just the right strategy. You simply need to know what to do at every step of the way. If you know that, then you just need to act. That's it. Problem is that knowing the right strategy, ie, knowing what you should be doing in the first place is HARD. Very hard. It took me a long time to start making great money because I lacked know-how and knowledge. Now it's easy. I know exactly what to say to get a testimonial that says what I want it to say. I know exactly what to say to get a referral. I know exactly what to say to get people to buy. What's hard about it? Nothing! Because I have a roadmap where everything is already figured out in advance. And it's not the sort of thing you can successfully put into a course, because there are all sorts of small situations and exceptions that you've got to figure out and learn... so practice and experience is the only way. Now what is all this? Is it mindset? I don't think so, it's just sales and marketing expertise.

It not people's own limited beliefs that holds them back. They share their goals and what they want to do with others. Then get large amoyof advice from those people's limited beliefs based in what they believe is possible.

Then they spend a large amount of time trying to change the beliefs of those around them. Trying to drag people with them who make it clear they don't want to go. Building up anger over time. Because rare giving up on trying to make their dream a reality. While attempting to get others to follow in the dream.

I think Elon musk's first wife would have been much happier if he just bought a small island.

If a mans social skills with women are awkward. It time to get a cute dog and start walking the dog in public parks. And having friendly discussion with other dog owners and women who just want to pat the dog.

A happy friendly well behaved dog will get far better relationship quality women than a Lamborghini

Well as far as skydiving goes. If you really want to do it . They don't just take you up and have you put on a parachute and toss you out of a plane

You get a safety course and the first several jumps are done tandem so you are strapped to someone who has jumped large numbers of times so the things that can go wrong are minimal.

I believe in woo woo but there is a bunch of motivational bull excrement that is mistaken for woo woo and can easily be practiced in place of talking action to give some one the false feeling of growth and progress.

Let's say hill didn't just plagerize a few other works at the time and actually got the material from interviews with hundreds of successful people. So the practical advice in tagr is basically the modeling if successful people tony robins teaches.

Now in my view personally the best course is to identify people with a level of success that person is able to achieve. The problem is the general models used are the stand out and the exceptions. Who probably can't repeat their success.

For me that is people that start with very little and build 2-5 million in net worth over 20- 30 years

But I studied the fire movement for a year as well those who build wealth between graduating from college and their early 30,s to retire. Seems the majority who pull it of end up with a small business that covers their lifestyles which tend to be frugal.

But both those models depend on investing in the stock market long term or at least during the bull market of the last 40 years and expecting that to continue forever.


My view is be frugal buy or build yhe house you can pay of in under ten years or much faster make the house as energy efficient as possible. And live of renewables while preparing most of your meals.

Having a bit of woo versus reality crisis.

I might have to just accept the reality that I have disabilities. That are permanent. An the goals I have are more built around a lifestyle that minimizes physical pain and eliminates any personal need for long term medications use.

The problem with motivation or is it in a way vilifies those avoiding or trying to get out of pain or dealing with permanent conditions that produce chronic pain.

And tends to encourage doing things that cause more pain.

From a position of pain and suffering a person is motivated to find a way to either heal or temporarily stop the pain. It is a far different state the just the choice between pain or pleasure.

Our dream is a ketchup without sugar - bbq style.

Just dip.

Not to be woo-woo... just noticed GordonJ hasn't posted in awhile, hope all is well. No offense to others intended or anything - but he is one of the few reasons I even look forward to the Warrior Forum!

Gordon
Outside of potential war . Rents around the country are rising faster than many people can keep up .

So prefabricated tiny houses like boxable homes or sheds that can be converted to tiny homes . And solar generation of power. And those who produce food and ship it directly to the consumer or buy it from growers and ship directly to customers without needing a retail location

Or producers who then proceed their produce into higher value or storable products then sell that to end user. The drought / water shortage in California as well as worker shortages with drive those prices up as well or just make that produce disappear.

War in Ukraine continued lockdowns in China , food shortages in China. And higher shipping costs. And there is probably a dozen more things

I have felt personally with homelessness. And there is what I can personally do to never be homeless again. But it really comes down to solutions based on case by case basis. Consider the amount of wealth tied to real estate and solutions that risk reducing property values are out the window.

The best I can figure is full self driving homes that pick people up from a part of a city and go back to a parking area that has bathrooms and showers available . And provides a safe place to sleep and store a small amount of personal items.

Food is not a problem for homeless and health care is as bad as for most low income.

Everyone needs a place to sleep but not everyone needs a house or home. But showers and a sanitary place to go the bathroom are needs. That don't have to be tied to a home .

What is coming is a world with a wide range of options that allow people to live in far different ways. Not just ways that perpetually grow the economy

I would take it out of the hand of governments and charities. And put in a corporate structure. Provide basics for free but charge for a wide range of comfort extras.

What ever is coming I have been preparing for it to go back to straight up woo. The flow of things has resulted in me refining the basic of what I want and learning to harness many types of energy to start the creative process.

Although some of it requires monetary energy other things involve other types of energy that can replace the need for money. What I talk about creating here is baby steps . I'm the last month I have been building a relationship that I was not expecting to build until after I got the land and the small house built. So my energy has been directed at that. And there is no hugging and kissing yet.

Although I can guess what a male who does not know how to explain what he wants. Wants on a base level.

Holy crap am I clueless trying to get a woman who was very sheltered to admit what she wants. But she it a battery of energy I just want to be around and make her feel safe and protected by my being there.

Her being there has forced me to refine the vision of what I want and may cause me to achieve certain goals faster than I was expecting.

And I am definitely achieving about 5 pounds a month weight loss since December 1

Life is too short to procrastinate.

I've studied Woo Woo the same way James Randi did. I study how we could come to believe such things in the face of strong evidence that they are not true.

I've studied Cold Reading, slight of hand, and stage magicians. These were interesting to me because of how we perceive such things, and how beliefs are cemented in our mind.

The benefits of studying these Woo Woo subjects has always been (to me) a way to further understand human nature.


No.

Rationality has to do with the structure of the thought, not in any benefit the thought gives you.

Rational thinking isn't in the interest of your desires or anything else. Rational thinking is in the interest of seeing reality, whether it matches your desires or not.




Yup. We love to see ourselves as rational thinkers. But our instincts and emotions control us. reason is almost always just our way of making sense of what we already believe....trying to explain our passions and actions so we don't sound insane.. And that's not rational thinking at all.

As a salesman who has sold to tens of thousands of people, I can tell you that rarely do I hear a rational statement. Every conversation is bristling with anxiety, prejudices, justifications, excuses, irrational arguments, faulty logic, and massive efforts to keep rapport going.

This is both an aggravation to me personally, and a tool to show the path I need to take to make the sale.

So these Woo Woo thoughts are useful if you understand the underlying causes, direction, and momentum they exhibit, and know how to align yourself with them to create a sale......but believing them personally? I have never seen the benefit, other than it's fun.

Heck, I genuinely tried to levitate until I was about 17 years old, bought books on how to do it (real levitation, not illusions), I believed, in my Kung Fu practice, that Chi was a real thing...until I was 40 or so.

I'm a slow study.

Added later; I'm guilty of irrational thinking as well. But it's impossible to see your own mistakes in reasoning. To us, almost every thought we have is perfectly rational.

Ok I am in a sharp mood.

The main irrational beliefs I judge people on weather I want to deal with the on a regular basis. Is a grasp of basic math.

If someone is to stupid to do basic math and actually thing the rich person with the 7 figure income paying 17 percent tax rate is actually paying less taxes tha ther 45,000 dollars income and what every rate they pay.

Even if the7 figure person is paying no taxes other taxes being generated by the activity far surpasses the income taxes paid but and individual with median to average income.

I have only really been studying wealth creation for the last 4 years . And the reason I started was when the in inequality people really started blabbing on . The the 1 percent get most of the income from wealth witch is taxed at far lower rates than earned income.

I'm crazy so I figured I should start learning about wealth than trying to just earn more money.

Art I have been outside the USA and homeless inside the USA. And homeless in the USA in many cases are far better off than about 60 percent of the human race outside of the USA.

People will always have a poverty mindset or a poor mindset even if they have a million in investments and the are looking at the person with 20 million who charters private jets and eat caviar and wague. And black silky chicken on a regular basis.

We are far richer than we have ever been and poor people have today have many thing the richest king or billionaires 100 years ago could not dream of having.

Own nothing an be happy compared to the current state that many own things as long as you can keep up with the payments.

How many of the movies you can watch on Netflix and other streaming services do you own. How many of the videos on YouTube. How about content on Facebook or Instagram.

Look at the right to repair stuff and understand a lot of the stuff you buy the software that runs them you never own.

New world order and globalization gave individuals with the willingness to learn how the ability to get stuff made in China ship it to the USA and sell on Amazon eBay and other platforms.

Rapid de globalization will change that and move much of that to Mexico or on demand automation some places in the USA. I've the coming decade.

Looking at food production and meal delivery services. Many people will probably never need a traditional kitchen again they will have premise meals custom made for them to heat up in an microwave or air fry toaster oven.

Yes there will always be restaurants and grocery store and regular takeout.

Any as long as people do not want to acknowledge the wonderful things they have for nearly free people will stay poor in mindset and personal actions but the world will continue to spit out new and wonderful things.

You're in trance

Gordon

This is my own personal view on the misery and suffering aspect. And I am different so I don't expect anyone else to view it this way.

6 years ago in Vegas the little whiny human wondering why certain things where happening in my life got a response from a source other than the little whiny human.

I'm going full into woo woo here. I can no longer just escape or cope with any type of personal misery and suffering. Every time there is a big situation cause it a large amount of misery and suffering. The little whiny human has had to learn to view it as a type of pruning that encourages growth or having a bone that healed improperly rebroken and reset to heal properly.

So I can't really sugar coat the misery and suffering. I can feel every bit of pain and use it to go through the process so that issue stays in the past.

How can I use the pain and misery and other types of suffering involved in what is happening to permanently make changes that result in a healthier happier me . Going forward. Using the misery I have gone through the first 44 years of my life to create a much happier life the next 40 or so which is the average lifespan of family members

It all boils down to the programming you choose.

Gordon

One of the things I have become aware of with growth or evolution or learning new skills. Is that a wide range of potentials open up that could not be imagined prior to . And there is almost a completely new self to test and find what works and does not work for.

One trick I have learned though to save my self time is observing what does and does not work for others and being aware of problems other people have faced and what different did that worked for several others.

One thing I am learning from the situation I am in . Is the large amount of time poor people or people in poverty spend sticking their noses in others businesses. That puts no money in anyone's pocket. And the inability of people to follow basic organizational work flow. Holy crap I was under the false belief people could understand and follow relatively simple rules.

Unfortunately I now believe many people are just done for in the world that is coming and will need handouts in the form of basic housing basic food and basic income. In the increasingly complex world they will not be able to provide for themselves

I remember when the umbilical cord established a connection with my wireless mouse and after a few clicks I found where I belonged. The power of the imagination never fails me, I'm always able to pick up something from the process because I am a keen observer of the machinations of the mind.

It all begun with the undying devotion to reach an exodus from the restless past. It was then that I knew that you have to fight for your right to party.

There is definitely something mysterious in the programming and the beliefs people carry, none of us are free in the sense we are all carrying pieces and parts we've inherited or borrowed from others.

I was watching a documentary about David Cameron using hypnosis on an audience and their response/reaction was compared to the 'vibes' of being at a live concert where the audience melds into a group mindset.

Another example was of Allister Crowley who was walking down the street talking with another gentleman, and in front of them was a man with a distinct walk. Crowley mimicked the man out in front of them without the man seeing him at all... when Crowley dropped to his knees - the man walking dropped to his knees. Coincidence? or did Crowley actually hypnotize the man's mind without his knowing?

I wasn't there - so I cannot determine if the even actually happen, but if it did - that would definitely trip the WHOA meter!

I'm not really a fan of dark magic or hypnosis - but, it makes one wonder; if a person can cause physical movements, alter another's functions, or cause actual changes based solely upon the metaphysical properties, signal/frequency, or synergizes with another, real changes do appear in some cases.

The person does not appear to have to 'know or approve' of these actions of a hypnotist or their ability to alter certain changes from what some have investigated. I try to apply rational thinking and I certainly am not going to join some weird cult anytime soon, but there is definitely a pattern there when larger groups religious, music, events, or even when evil gathers like rioting or war breaks out, there appears to be a group energy or synchronization that can take place causing otherwise 'neutral people' to take part in events they normally would avoid.

So, the programming does appear to possess some strange and mystical powers.

I find it amazing, if someone identifies as a witch, warlock, or pagan - most religious people call it evil. But if a church group has people laying hands on people to perform a 'healing' they call it good or godly.

The actual forces appear to work for good or evil - so really these practices, like any knowledge, application, or ability to influence others, etc. - can be used for good or evil as is so with writing sales copy or reading tarot, which both concert and amplify in my opinion around people understanding the powers of influence, or the programming of how the mind works!