Why this trend among the people?

The baby boomers reached retirement age and Covid gave the good read to retire. So now a lot of younger generations either moved up into those jobs or over to better jobs. And those who where in jobs that where working at under staffed places left to better staffed work places.

There are far more reasons a lot of the business being started are side business or 1099 stuff working to Uber eats and a number of other gig economy types pick your own hour jobs.

A wide verity of small businesses that replace what they would make from traditional employment but don't become a traditional business.

There is quite a bit of research on why it is happening and the top of the list is lifestyle improvement.

There's several socio-economic reasons for this, as Odahh mentions, amongst several other reasons outside Covid, the Baby Boomer's reaching retirement, and many of us Gen X'ers have experienced far less security, salary, or benefits in many of the markets and jobs that once used to thrive and produce far more benefits, no longer support the appetites of those who were paid more 20 -25 years ago in those same industries.

I'll go out on a limb here and say there appears to be a major shift in the traditional middle-class economics. It has been proven the housing costs in America increased 7.5X in the last 2 decades what used to be the norm of 2X over a 20 year period.

The rising living costs, lowered salaries for the majority of labor based, menial labor, and work a day middle class folks cannot sustain financial growth or security with the increasing costs of inflation.

Think about the median average household annual income in America is reported at $96,955.04 - in 2021.

I believe that is a stretch, especially in households with only 1 or 2 incomes. Most government jobs and even decent jobs in trade skill are not paying anywhere near these figures, so - I do wonder; as an average median income - how many millionaires (*let alone billionaires) does it take to skew these numbers.

Most people I know in real life are making less than $50K per year! - To me, the average is probably more in the average person making $35K per year and with 2-3 people to a household contributing - then I'll buy the whole $100k annual average being reported.

Sadly, I believe corporate influence has impacted the workforce with a new wave of socio-economics that works in favor of franchises and franchise owners and since there's one on every corner and all points between - it is setting the consensus at lower paying jobs, less benefits, insurance, and retirements options such as annuities, 401k's, and other means to truly appreciate the middle and lower class workers.

I'm multi-trade skilled and am still trying to recover from what I call Economic Tsunami's - grandma always said; "you have to save for a rainy day" - but what grandma didn't say is; "one flip of a switch and your career can change on a dime - or leave you penniless today!"

I used to average $75k per year (*after expenses) when I was 18 - 19 years old, owning an operating a very inexpensive ice cream truck that I built, owned, and operated only part-time roughly 35 hours per week back then. I was young, ambitious, and actually quite ignorant despite my success at that venture for 2 years.

Moving on, I sub-contracted for nearly 20 years in multiple fields, primarily building custom pools, spas, fountains, waterfalls, etc... and when that was slow, renovating entire homes, bathrooms, kitchens, roofs and all points between. My average annual invoices for mainly labor was right at $100K per year - after expenses that would range between $60k - $80K per year, and my wife worked with as a helper for most of those 20 years in those trades.

I would argue that you cannot make what I made 25 years ago in trade skilled occupations today when factoring in the spike in living costs, mandated necessities, and all the inflated costs of say materials, tools, and operating expenses... there is simply no comparison! I would need to invoice $200k to $300k per year to live how I lived back then, which was nothing too fancy, but comfortable.

So, I personally have beaten my sub-conscious to near death attempting to phase out of those arenas and get on top of those markets - be it online or off, doesn't matter. The point is, my kid who is nearly 30 years cannot read a damn tape measure and he is valued near or at the same wages they consider me worth on the job, able body, willing to work for "X" - you're hired!

Problem with the whole; "Everyone is hiring" is that few are paying living wages and the expectations, increase in performance, and the results projected upon a salaried or hourly worker today does not appear to differentiate the experienced from the inexperienced - I cannot stand being on a job with 5 people - where only ONE knows how to do anything! - Yet, the ONE who knows how to do the work is then (*forgive the term) punished and expected to tolerate being in the company of say a 20-something that is dreaming about Xbox, virtual meta-verse, and Veronica the hottie and could care less about the job as a career as we did when we were 20-something's!

I feel bias saying it aloud, but there is definitely a depletion hitting the middle-class. I don't believe there's a conspiracy to argue it as much as an influence moving through trying to impose upon others more responsibilities for less pay and benefits - whilst the corporations and many business owners say; "we cannot stay in business paying $80 for a sheet of plywood, so Manny, Artie, and Duncan - the installers will have to take a cut in hours, pay, or benefits to sustain our roofing company!"

And, I made better money roofing as a teenager than I can today with an arsenal of knowledge I didn't have then! It baffles my mind, having more experience than most does little good, unless you find the right company - which is getting harder and harder to find today. Survival of the fitest, I gues it always was, but creeping on 50 years old, it doesn't serve my greater interests to give 35 years experience away for some $15 - $18 dollar per hour gig that doesn't provide much (*if any) long-term security, benefits, or insurances... I wonder; how long will businesses sustain underpaying their labor???

I believe these influences certainly reside way above politics and even academics are going into debt with tuitions today, just to land a $40, 000 - $50,000 per year gig.

I'm looking into PHd's and surprised to find, in America you are not required to already have a Masters degree or Bachelor's degree to qualify for a PHd, I didn't know that until recently.

I am a high school drop out and would love to obtain a PHd in philosophy with literature, Latin, economics, and business built-in, but then again - why not just self-publish online and side-step the whole pile of nonsense the world implied was necessary to make good money - cause most jobs are not paying worth a sh!t these days, BUT everybody is hiring!

What like Dollar General's, Burger King's, and CORPORATE latte slingers???

Sure, sell $100K in sales for our register and we'll give you a free t-shirt, name tag, hat, and 27 hours with no benefits at $12 per hour!

No wonder 20 and 30 year olds are lost in Xbox, iPhone 13's, and Virtual reality... cause their reality sucks, I bear witness through the lenses of my children who the youngest is pulling $60k per year on a 1099 as a waitress with herself as a 25 year old working single mother. The ex is smoking weed, dating another hottie, and barely holds a job, it's getting bad - in my opinion.

4 out of 5 men (*25 -30 years of age) in my life or involved through my children lives are all all dead beat dads that do nothing for their children claiming they cannot afford to live on their salaries and pay child support... so they don't work or risk losing their driver's licenses and possibly suffer further penalties later. I raised 3 kids and I am glad to had the chance to sustain them when they were unable to sustain themselves, but I believe it's a different world today in many of the occupational hazards that used to pay way better money, that I say from personal experience!

Sorry art didn't read beyond the making less than you made working the same jobs 20-25 years ago that had much better benefits and health plans. And prices for the things people buy have gone up 200-500 percent

Prices are outpacing many people's abilities to keep up and they are giving up and seeking alternatives.

There is no career path for people under 40 today it this job for 1-3 years then the next and it works against many to stay in a job for longer. The best option to replace that 30,000-50,000k a year most younger generations make is gig work and other side hustles.

The there is tiny houses every living and other living options as apartments start at1,000 a month and easily 2-3 thousand a month in many cities.

The a used car that meats standards easily starts at 10,000 dollars, the car insurance can be2000 to 3000 and health insurance.

...the first three lines...lot of that going around.

Just one of my observations.


I just looked into real estate appraiser requirements in my area;
1. you must have a college degree
2. you must work as a trainee for 2500 hours (so, a bit more than 1 year).
3. most outfits get most of their work in the mortgage industry
4. the law says that an appraisal management company must be used as an intermediary between appraiser and borrower
5. appraisal management companies charge $450 to $500 for a basic appraisal
6. they give the appraiser $275 to 300
7. the appraiser pays the trainee (at least for the first few months) half of what they get
8. a basic appraisal takes, on average, 7 hours to complete
9. the new appraiser must, therefore, agree to work for $137.5 to $150/day (gross).
10. in my area you end up with more money in your pocket driving for Uber
11. health insurance subsidies make insurance not be as big of an issue as it used to be
12. who in his right mind would get a college degree, then work a year for peanuts? Only someone training with a super appraiser (one of those that can get you to appraise oil rigs and airports or, at least mall strips and 50-unit apartments: there's more money to be made there; but those are few and need few trainees, if any).



There are other such variables that did not use to exist a few years ago.

Dabk and art

Wait until taxes go up across the board to pay for the last few years and the pension and retirement costs of baby boomers.

I don't know what will happen but people will not work jobs or live in areas where they can't take home enough to live on. Or the will just set tents up on the lawns of rich people.

I don't have any labor statistics. But would venture to say, small online business is where some are headed. Using past job skills We get people here on the forum asking about drop shipping. Yet no one ever seems to report back. The number of freelance jobs out there is probably where others have headed.

All I know is ...

cephalopod gals play silvery blue equally for spin of propellah an' dream of oceans yondah.

What does this tell us?

That principles of flowin' out are zackly the same as stayin' same.

Flavor of moment. Sureness of aim.

What is naht to love 'bout bein' a sub-aquatic pulsah?

It all depends upon the context of a person's mind. Where he actually see himself. People with job habits don't have a much broader context or they cannot do experiments in their life since business or affiliate marketing is a form of business that comes with profit and loss so many people don't feel comfortable losing something they always wanted to earn something. So it depends on a person's mind.

We are fast approaching a CRITICAL day in our history.

But first, a little back history.

Oct. 17, 1929 a week before the stock market crash.
Oct. 31, 1917 a week before the Russian revolution.
Aug. 23, 1939 a week before Hitler's Army invaded Poland.

What were people doing the week before these life changing events? More than likely, their daily mundane routines. Going about their business. Maybe some anxiety, some nervousness but it wasn't enough to DISRUPT their lives as the above events did to millions of people.

I believe there are now BILLIONS of people who are soon to be disrupted beyond our current thinking.

It is in the air. An electricity. And IT is coming our way, maybe as soon as April of this year, the typical Spring time birthing of major life changing events.

The Great Resignation the media likes to harp on (because they thrive on negative ideas) may be one indicator of a major shift, an Earthquake which may be predictable.

It feels that something is coming.

Am I wrong? Oversensitive? Buying the Doom and Gloom?

What is your sense of the world, and if we are a week away from whatever, how prepared are you today to be able to handle it?

We are still in the beginning of the supply side problems which will show up more and more as inventory drops and prices rise.

So, I think there is an invisible energy out there that is adding to the mentality of the global work force, the collective unconscious is issuing us all warnings of what lies ahead. Sort of a like a lookout who sees the iceberg in the water and allows us to prepare for the collision.

GordonJ






QUOTE=moneymint;11696354]For the last six to nine months there has been a mentality created among the global population not to turn to work because they do not want to work for others.There is news that 41% of the population will leave their jobs this year alone and want to start their own work. It is a very big topic with a lot of discussions and debates with evidence.

So, what my question is, do these people think of turning to affiliate marketing, a small online business, freelance jobs, dropshipping business or are turning to their attention to eCommerce?

Because nowadays there are lots of opportunities online and offline and people are tired of their working places.[/QUOTE]

Gordon

Nothing invisible about it . The majority of the workforce is trying to earn money to support basic need and provide a comfortable lifestyle for themselves and their family. Now it is okay to do the with a lower paying more enjoyable job and gig economy work to meet any extra financial needs.

It is only bad if you are an entrepreneur or business owner who has had their employee pool dry up.

A parallel I saw someone point out was around the time of the Great Depression many people in the workforce stoped doing domestic labor like maids butlers and that sort of thing in the USA. And became immigrant work

Many of the jobs people are not going back to where going to eventually be replaced with automation.

The way things worked in the past no longer work and will probably not come back any time soon. And long term planning and goal setting that worked in the past. May not work in this new environment of continuous rapid and unpredictable change.

You can have millions of dollars in the bank. And not be able to buy many things you want anymore because no one wants to do the jobs that get those things to you

You might need a kuerig because the coffee shops near you can no longer open when you want because of staff issues. Then the more people with kuerigs the fewer people need coffee shops. Or shorter operating hours.

Art.

What is the lifespan you can expect based on family history. My mom got to 75 my dad to 80 and they had very unhealthy lifestyle and have family members that lived into their 90's.

This is a stretch in thinking but what happens if the country is no longer financially able to fund prolonged treatment for conditions that are from bad habits.

So unless you can afford how much diabetic medications will cost ten or 20 years from now and you have type 2 now or are developing type 2 .you will probably die or lose limbs then die young.

The result of to many wanting wanting more free stuff and fewer and fewer paying in as everything keeps getting more expensive.

How long before everything breaks because prices keep going up a lot faster than what 90 percent of people earn goes up.

Of course if wages are not going up and it becomes easier to make more money stringing side hustles together and doing cash work off the books

What good would a Rolodex do in a power down situation if the contact numbers are people's cell phone, e-mail and Facebook messenger. Etc

Gordon

If they can't tell you what they want. They probably can tell you what they don't want and that is driving them to something else. They are not sure what though .

We have come to a conclusion in other threads that the people with the most joyful lives . At core enjoy the work they do..

Let play a game and assume the main desire is work they enjoy doing. But they don't believe such a thing is possible for them.

They don't know what they have done wrong but a lot of jobs are just punishment for being alive at a time where you need money to live

I don't know...

I'm starting to think people have become accustomed to suffering, surrendering their innermost dreams, and just living check to check.

My most beloved people in this world and the many who have already passed over to the other side never seem to know what they wanted, it pains me - because I know exactly what I want; financial independence, but it's not for the reasons most would think, if they think at all.

I'm considering a lot of reasons for this type of behavior and still; most the excuses (*including many of my own) are not even valid. It's just a reason to ignore reality for many who have no direction, then refuse to follow the instructions.

I'll admit; one thing I have struggled with is not the idea of following instructions or how things work - rather; the sheer amount of crap other people produce makes it nearly impossible to cut through the bs, stomp out all the fires others light and do not maintain... and I guess, being blind-sided by those who want to tag along - but do nothing respective to support the sacrifices others have made to be successful.

Whether be it a castle or a tent, my respect remains. To some, they dream of the castle, but refuse to acknowledge where they currently reside!

Also, Thank-You WARRIORS as I never really did subscribe to this forum for the sole purpose of making money, I came here seeking understanding, knowledge, and wisdom - and for awhile I thought the forum lost that in the sale... No, there are still people here sharing it daily!

I couldn't find it anywhere else, probably why I came back here!

... and here I feel like a whooped wet dog ATM with nothing to offer, but that is temporary!

Lastly, I do believe the people in our lives make staying in focus very difficult - as many are just content to live to the next pay check and that viscous cycle Odahh mentioned... I cannot sustain long like that, though I find my disgust for money and the influence it often carries being part the blame - I too know; the problem cannot be fixed without money or something of value.

I feel tempted to dangle those golden carrots in front of hungry horses... but, that won't solve their problem. Until these CHILDREN experience the facts; you cannot shovel enough sh!t into those internal voids and expect to find any sustained satisfaction - nothing will change!

I've consumed all kinds of addictions, poisons, and chased worthless paper for many of my 50 years, only to find, what I really want - is to leave something timeless behind for the next.

Today, I almost fear there's simply not enough time to waste on superficial trinkets, toys, and empty promises... which is what most the people I know are consuming, they don't seek understanding, knowledge, and wisdom.

Here I have access to "The Philosophers Stone" and cannot find ONE person to extend that olive branch to in my immediate company!

Love, Pain, and Suffering! - that's the 3-way mirror!

Art
I am not against a paycheck. I just have never found a way to get a paycheck without working a job that literally made me want to kill my self. Then my family thought the stuff I wanted to do when not at work was not as important as what they needed me to do for free.

Anyway I am not a financial independence person. The people who want it never really get it. The people who get it usually keep working and finding more ways to grow the net worth.

The goal for me is more getting the cost of the lifestyle I want as low as possible and finding several ways to make money to more than cover those costs.

I don't want or need a big house . I need a bedroom a bathroom a kitchen and living area. Something not expensive to build. I am more interested in a few acres of land.

I know what I want but that is from understanding what I do not want first. Unless someone gets burried in their mess and has to clean it up. It is hard to know what they really want

On one hand you should be thankful you didn't mess your son up otherwise he would be on smoking meth or spice. Or shooting heroine that could easily kill him

So apparently he is lazy plays video games to much and probably watches to much porn. . And it the porn messing his brain up . Not the video games. The highly produced stuff leads to falls expectations of what to expect in reality.

The very premise of all this is FLAWED... It is a Narrative... and a False Narrative at that. Unemployment is currently at an absolute all time low. We are not talking since the Pandemic.. we are not talking Just before the Pandemic... we are talking about historical LOW unemployment.

If you pay attention to the news, we are experiencing one of the largest migrations in American history since probably the 30's. When you up and leave one State... what do you do? you quit your job...and when you settle in a new State, what do you do? you start a new job.

A quick question.. how many people do you know right now ( Other that Arts son ) that quit their job and is just lounging around? I personally can not think of 1 person ( in my circle of influence ) in this situation.

How many people in the older generation maybe retired early but went back to work.. working for the same company they "retired" from, but as a 1099? I know HUNDREDS that would fit that description.

People are not out starting up their own business' in droves... the statistics I am reading is new business start-ups are actually in a bit of a lul - New Tax reporting that went into effect I think may have something to do with that.

The whole premise of the great resignation is miss leading at best... It is propagated to distort the truth... A False Narrative FAKE NEWS if you will.

When you look at rush hour it is amazing all the people that work in the opposite directions they live on both sides of the highway.


Road rage.


Gridlock.


Gas prices.


Child care.


Working online (for yourself) is not easy as it sounds but it sure sounds easier than offline to me.


I still remember the guy that outsourced his job overseas while still physically showing up daily just BSn around all day online.

Savage I agree with you.

I believe though the people who dream of online business think dealing with any kind of products make it an offline business. Even if the marketing is done online . And if they actually have to touch products and put it in boxes to ship.

I go with your view of using the platforms to sell real products. Is probably the easiest path into business.

I guess it comes down to what people mean when they talk about and online business.

Well maybe because so many people encouraje people to have their own business and work for themself .Well i think this its a good idea but also having a job you like its also very good you dont need to be an entrepreneur to be happy .For example me i have a job in a factory and i like it ,even if i would be very succesful in IM i think i will not quit my real job

Yeah with the way things happened due to covid people were getting paid more with unemployment than they did at their hourly job. Hell if I made more on unemployment why would I want to go back to work?

My whole thing with me is why go to work for an employer who tells me what to do? Why work for someone who makes rules that I have to follow? I want to be free. 7:00-3:30 is not free for me when I have to get up and go to work each and everyday and feel like a slave working for a company at a job that I do not like. So I need to change that. My goal is to be my own boss. I do not need someone telling me what I do and do not get to do at my job when I can be my own boss and make my own rules. That simple for me.

Firstly, let me say an interesting topic. Work from home has become a popular topic among my connections lately. Many people are interested in knowing how to make the switch from their current 9 - 5 job to working from home. I have a broad range of experience in different industries, so I am familiar with the steps that need to be taken in order to make this switch.

There are a few things that anyone considering working from home should keep in mind. Firstly, you will need to acquire the relevant skills and experience. This can be done by taking courses, reading books, or simply gaining experience through your current job. Secondly, you will need to build a strong network of contacts who can help you with your business. And finally, you will need to have the discipline to work from home.

If you endorse poor products you'll be guilty by association and your list will cringe. And your sales will plummet.