Why this trend among the people?

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For the last six to nine months there has been a mentality created among the global population not to turn to work because they do not want to work for others.

There is news that 41% of the population will leave their jobs this year alone and want to start their own work. It is a very big topic with a lot of discussions and debates with evidence.

So, what my question is, do these people think of turning to affiliate marketing, a small online business, freelance jobs, dropshipping business or are turning to their attention to eCommerce?

Because nowadays there are lots of opportunities online and offline and people are tired of their working places.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Originally Posted by moneymint View Post

    For the last six to nine months there has been a mentality created among the global population not to turn to work because they do not want to work for others.

    There is news that 41% of the population will leave their jobs this year alone and want to start their own work. It is a very big topic with a lot of discussions and debates with evidence.

    So, what my question is, do these people think of turning to affiliate marketing, a small online business, freelance jobs, dropshipping business or are turning to their attention to eCommerce?

    Because nowadays there are lots of opportunities online and offline and people are tired of their working places.
    The baby boomers reached retirement age and Covid gave the good read to retire. So now a lot of younger generations either moved up into those jobs or over to better jobs. And those who where in jobs that where working at under staffed places left to better staffed work places.

    There are far more reasons a lot of the business being started are side business or 1099 stuff working to Uber eats and a number of other gig economy types pick your own hour jobs.

    A wide verity of small businesses that replace what they would make from traditional employment but don't become a traditional business.

    There is quite a bit of research on why it is happening and the top of the list is lifestyle improvement.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    There's several socio-economic reasons for this, as Odahh mentions, amongst several other reasons outside Covid, the Baby Boomer's reaching retirement, and many of us Gen X'ers have experienced far less security, salary, or benefits in many of the markets and jobs that once used to thrive and produce far more benefits, no longer support the appetites of those who were paid more 20 -25 years ago in those same industries.

    I'll go out on a limb here and say there appears to be a major shift in the traditional middle-class economics. It has been proven the housing costs in America increased 7.5X in the last 2 decades what used to be the norm of 2X over a 20 year period.

    The rising living costs, lowered salaries for the majority of labor based, menial labor, and work a day middle class folks cannot sustain financial growth or security with the increasing costs of inflation.

    Think about the median average household annual income in America is reported at $96,955.04 - in 2021.

    I believe that is a stretch, especially in households with only 1 or 2 incomes. Most government jobs and even decent jobs in trade skill are not paying anywhere near these figures, so - I do wonder; as an average median income - how many millionaires (*let alone billionaires) does it take to skew these numbers.

    Most people I know in real life are making less than $50K per year! - To me, the average is probably more in the average person making $35K per year and with 2-3 people to a household contributing - then I'll buy the whole $100k annual average being reported.

    Sadly, I believe corporate influence has impacted the workforce with a new wave of socio-economics that works in favor of franchises and franchise owners and since there's one on every corner and all points between - it is setting the consensus at lower paying jobs, less benefits, insurance, and retirements options such as annuities, 401k's, and other means to truly appreciate the middle and lower class workers.

    I'm multi-trade skilled and am still trying to recover from what I call Economic Tsunami's - grandma always said; "you have to save for a rainy day" - but what grandma didn't say is; "one flip of a switch and your career can change on a dime - or leave you penniless today!"

    I used to average $75k per year (*after expenses) when I was 18 - 19 years old, owning an operating a very inexpensive ice cream truck that I built, owned, and operated only part-time roughly 35 hours per week back then. I was young, ambitious, and actually quite ignorant despite my success at that venture for 2 years.

    Moving on, I sub-contracted for nearly 20 years in multiple fields, primarily building custom pools, spas, fountains, waterfalls, etc... and when that was slow, renovating entire homes, bathrooms, kitchens, roofs and all points between. My average annual invoices for mainly labor was right at $100K per year - after expenses that would range between $60k - $80K per year, and my wife worked with as a helper for most of those 20 years in those trades.

    I would argue that you cannot make what I made 25 years ago in trade skilled occupations today when factoring in the spike in living costs, mandated necessities, and all the inflated costs of say materials, tools, and operating expenses... there is simply no comparison! I would need to invoice $200k to $300k per year to live how I lived back then, which was nothing too fancy, but comfortable.

    So, I personally have beaten my sub-conscious to near death attempting to phase out of those arenas and get on top of those markets - be it online or off, doesn't matter. The point is, my kid who is nearly 30 years cannot read a damn tape measure and he is valued near or at the same wages they consider me worth on the job, able body, willing to work for "X" - you're hired!

    Problem with the whole; "Everyone is hiring" is that few are paying living wages and the expectations, increase in performance, and the results projected upon a salaried or hourly worker today does not appear to differentiate the experienced from the inexperienced - I cannot stand being on a job with 5 people - where only ONE knows how to do anything! - Yet, the ONE who knows how to do the work is then (*forgive the term) punished and expected to tolerate being in the company of say a 20-something that is dreaming about Xbox, virtual meta-verse, and Veronica the hottie and could care less about the job as a career as we did when we were 20-something's!

    I feel bias saying it aloud, but there is definitely a depletion hitting the middle-class. I don't believe there's a conspiracy to argue it as much as an influence moving through trying to impose upon others more responsibilities for less pay and benefits - whilst the corporations and many business owners say; "we cannot stay in business paying $80 for a sheet of plywood, so Manny, Artie, and Duncan - the installers will have to take a cut in hours, pay, or benefits to sustain our roofing company!"

    And, I made better money roofing as a teenager than I can today with an arsenal of knowledge I didn't have then! It baffles my mind, having more experience than most does little good, unless you find the right company - which is getting harder and harder to find today. Survival of the fitest, I gues it always was, but creeping on 50 years old, it doesn't serve my greater interests to give 35 years experience away for some $15 - $18 dollar per hour gig that doesn't provide much (*if any) long-term security, benefits, or insurances... I wonder; how long will businesses sustain underpaying their labor???

    I believe these influences certainly reside way above politics and even academics are going into debt with tuitions today, just to land a $40, 000 - $50,000 per year gig.

    I'm looking into PHd's and surprised to find, in America you are not required to already have a Masters degree or Bachelor's degree to qualify for a PHd, I didn't know that until recently.

    I am a high school drop out and would love to obtain a PHd in philosophy with literature, Latin, economics, and business built-in, but then again - why not just self-publish online and side-step the whole pile of nonsense the world implied was necessary to make good money - cause most jobs are not paying worth a sh!t these days, BUT everybody is hiring!

    What like Dollar General's, Burger King's, and CORPORATE latte slingers???

    Sure, sell $100K in sales for our register and we'll give you a free t-shirt, name tag, hat, and 27 hours with no benefits at $12 per hour!

    No wonder 20 and 30 year olds are lost in Xbox, iPhone 13's, and Virtual reality... cause their reality sucks, I bear witness through the lenses of my children who the youngest is pulling $60k per year on a 1099 as a waitress with herself as a 25 year old working single mother. The ex is smoking weed, dating another hottie, and barely holds a job, it's getting bad - in my opinion.

    4 out of 5 men (*25 -30 years of age) in my life or involved through my children lives are all all dead beat dads that do nothing for their children claiming they cannot afford to live on their salaries and pay child support... so they don't work or risk losing their driver's licenses and possibly suffer further penalties later. I raised 3 kids and I am glad to had the chance to sustain them when they were unable to sustain themselves, but I believe it's a different world today in many of the occupational hazards that used to pay way better money, that I say from personal experience!
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Sorry art didn't read beyond the making less than you made working the same jobs 20-25 years ago that had much better benefits and health plans. And prices for the things people buy have gone up 200-500 percent

    Prices are outpacing many people's abilities to keep up and they are giving up and seeking alternatives.

    There is no career path for people under 40 today it this job for 1-3 years then the next and it works against many to stay in a job for longer. The best option to replace that 30,000-50,000k a year most younger generations make is gig work and other side hustles.

    The there is tiny houses every living and other living options as apartments start at1,000 a month and easily 2-3 thousand a month in many cities.

    The a used car that meats standards easily starts at 10,000 dollars, the car insurance can be2000 to 3000 and health insurance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    didn't read beyond
    ...the first three lines...lot of that going around.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      ...the first three lines...lot of that going around.
      I went back and read the entire post and added to my response.bu left the first three lines.
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      ...the first three lines...lot of that going around.
      Probably wouldn't hurt for me to be more short and concise - I tend to go a wee-bit extreme, as this topic hits a chord at my core as to what exactly is causing these issues?

      Laziness?
      Bad leadership?
      Corporate influence?

      Maybe it's just a New World Disorder?


      Some of it is probably laziness... I see that being a factor, as many of my old friends, my son, his friends, etc... had or have no ambition to succeed at much other than partying - some are 50 -55 years old and still live that lifestyle! - I partied a ton, but always put work/business first. I'm sober today and cannot seem to escape the negative vibes going round!
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by art72 View Post

        Probably wouldn't hurt for me to be more short and concise - I tend to go a wee-bit extreme, as this topic hits a chord at my core as to what exactly is causing these issues?

        Laziness?
        Bad leadership?
        Corporate influence?

        Maybe it's just a New World Disorder?


        Some of it is probably laziness... I see that being a factor, as many of my old friends, my son, his friends, etc... had or have no ambition to succeed at much other than partying - some are 50 -55 years old and still live that lifestyle! - I partied a ton, but always put work/business first. I'm sober today and cannot seem to escape the negative vibes going round!
        How about I agreed with the point you made up to that point and made sure that part was the part I was responding to.

        The unusual part is my response stayed in context of your entire post.

        Which rarely happens with my responses.

        And when people clip out a single line the response tends to have no bearing on the post it was clipped from or the prior conversation in the thread.

        And that is something everyone does it seems
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Just one of my observations.


    I just looked into real estate appraiser requirements in my area;
    1. you must have a college degree
    2. you must work as a trainee for 2500 hours (so, a bit more than 1 year).
    3. most outfits get most of their work in the mortgage industry
    4. the law says that an appraisal management company must be used as an intermediary between appraiser and borrower
    5. appraisal management companies charge $450 to $500 for a basic appraisal
    6. they give the appraiser $275 to 300
    7. the appraiser pays the trainee (at least for the first few months) half of what they get
    8. a basic appraisal takes, on average, 7 hours to complete
    9. the new appraiser must, therefore, agree to work for $137.5 to $150/day (gross).
    10. in my area you end up with more money in your pocket driving for Uber
    11. health insurance subsidies make insurance not be as big of an issue as it used to be
    12. who in his right mind would get a college degree, then work a year for peanuts? Only someone training with a super appraiser (one of those that can get you to appraise oil rigs and airports or, at least mall strips and 50-unit apartments: there's more money to be made there; but those are few and need few trainees, if any).



    There are other such variables that did not use to exist a few years ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Dabk and art

    Wait until taxes go up across the board to pay for the last few years and the pension and retirement costs of baby boomers.

    I don't know what will happen but people will not work jobs or live in areas where they can't take home enough to live on. Or the will just set tents up on the lawns of rich people.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Originally Posted by moneymint View Post

    So, what my question is, do these people think of turning to affiliate marketing, a small online business, freelance jobs, dropshipping business or are turning to their attention to eCommerce?
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    I don't have any labor statistics. But would venture to say, small online business is where some are headed. Using past job skills We get people here on the forum asking about drop shipping. Yet no one ever seems to report back. The number of freelance jobs out there is probably where others have headed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Awais_Afzal1
    It all depends upon the context of a person's mind. Where he actually see himself. People with job habits don't have a much broader context or they cannot do experiments in their life since business or affiliate marketing is a form of business that comes with profit and loss so many people don't feel comfortable losing something they always wanted to earn something. So it depends on a person's mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    We are fast approaching a CRITICAL day in our history.

    But first, a little back history.

    Oct. 17, 1929 a week before the stock market crash.
    Oct. 31, 1917 a week before the Russian revolution.
    Aug. 23, 1939 a week before Hitler's Army invaded Poland.

    What were people doing the week before these life changing events? More than likely, their daily mundane routines. Going about their business. Maybe some anxiety, some nervousness but it wasn't enough to DISRUPT their lives as the above events did to millions of people.

    I believe there are now BILLIONS of people who are soon to be disrupted beyond our current thinking.

    It is in the air. An electricity. And IT is coming our way, maybe as soon as April of this year, the typical Spring time birthing of major life changing events.

    The Great Resignation the media likes to harp on (because they thrive on negative ideas) may be one indicator of a major shift, an Earthquake which may be predictable.

    It feels that something is coming.

    Am I wrong? Oversensitive? Buying the Doom and Gloom?

    What is your sense of the world, and if we are a week away from whatever, how prepared are you today to be able to handle it?

    We are still in the beginning of the supply side problems which will show up more and more as inventory drops and prices rise.

    So, I think there is an invisible energy out there that is adding to the mentality of the global work force, the collective unconscious is issuing us all warnings of what lies ahead. Sort of a like a lookout who sees the iceberg in the water and allows us to prepare for the collision.

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    QUOTE=moneymint;11696354]For the last six to nine months there has been a mentality created among the global population not to turn to work because they do not want to work for others.There is news that 41% of the population will leave their jobs this year alone and want to start their own work. It is a very big topic with a lot of discussions and debates with evidence.

    So, what my question is, do these people think of turning to affiliate marketing, a small online business, freelance jobs, dropshipping business or are turning to their attention to eCommerce?

    Because nowadays there are lots of opportunities online and offline and people are tired of their working places.[/QUOTE]
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Gordon

    Nothing invisible about it . The majority of the workforce is trying to earn money to support basic need and provide a comfortable lifestyle for themselves and their family. Now it is okay to do the with a lower paying more enjoyable job and gig economy work to meet any extra financial needs.

    It is only bad if you are an entrepreneur or business owner who has had their employee pool dry up.

    A parallel I saw someone point out was around the time of the Great Depression many people in the workforce stoped doing domestic labor like maids butlers and that sort of thing in the USA. And became immigrant work

    Many of the jobs people are not going back to where going to eventually be replaced with automation.

    The way things worked in the past no longer work and will probably not come back any time soon. And long term planning and goal setting that worked in the past. May not work in this new environment of continuous rapid and unpredictable change.

    You can have millions of dollars in the bank. And not be able to buy many things you want anymore because no one wants to do the jobs that get those things to you

    You might need a kuerig because the coffee shops near you can no longer open when you want because of staff issues. Then the more people with kuerigs the fewer people need coffee shops. Or shorter operating hours.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Socialization.

      Getting out with other people. Always a need, not everyone wants to hide out like us, most want some human interaction.

      So bunker living is off the table for those folks.

      The coffee house will always be with us, even Plato hung out at one.

      GordonJ



      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Gordon

      Nothing invisible about it . The majority of the workforce is trying to earn money to support basic need and provide a comfortable lifestyle for themselves and their family. Now it is okay to do the with a lower paying more enjoyable job and gig economy work to meet any extra financial needs.

      It is only bad if you are an entrepreneur or business owner who has had their employee pool dry up.

      A parallel I saw someone point out was around the time of the Great Depression many people in the workforce stoped doing domestic labor like maids butlers and that sort of thing in the USA. And became immigrant work

      Many of the jobs people are not going back to where going to eventually be replaced with automation.

      The way things worked in the past no longer work and will probably not come back any time soon. And long term planning and goal setting that worked in the past. May not work in this new environment of continuous rapid and unpredictable change.

      You can have millions of dollars in the bank. And not be able to buy many things you want anymore because no one wants to do the jobs that get those things to you

      You might need a kuerig because the coffee shops near you can no longer open when you want because of staff issues. Then the more people with kuerigs the fewer people need coffee shops. Or shorter operating hours.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        Socialization.

        Getting out with other people. Always a need, not everyone wants to hide out like us, most want some human interaction.

        So bunker living is off the table for those folks.

        The coffee house will always be with us, even Plato hung out at one.

        GordonJ
        Somewhere you go sit and enjoy a coffee while you work on a laptop and chitchat with those around you doing something similar.. coffee house with low cost refills. Great WiFi comfortable seating and plenty of places to plug stuff in.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          Somewhere you go sit and enjoy a coffee while you work on a laptop and chitchat with those around you doing something similar.. coffee house with low cost refills. Great WiFi comfortable seating and plenty of places to plug stuff in.
          I had a space lined up, was ready to pull the trigger and then Covid. Coffee house on hold.

          One of my fav's is LESTAT'S in San Diego, the one on Park, if you Google you'll see where I spent a lot of time when I was out there.

          I'm going to share the plan. Only because it passed me bye-bye. Two years shouldn't mean much, but at my age and health, they do. Anywhooo....

          We would be a coffee house Interent Cafe from 6AM to 7PM M-F. At 7, the doors closed and the evening setup took place. At 8 the doors opened again for the nightly show. The location already had a stage, sound system, we would have some folding seats, like bleachers they fold into the wall, but they are comfy seats, and rearrange our daytime set up for a Nightclub type operation.

          If you look at LESTAT'S, their other location, not on Park, is a COMEDY CLUB, so my idea was not original, I had what I think are some good models and some twists.

          Now it was a big open room, but we could hang those sound curtains, and divide it and set up PORTABLE offices, which one person can set up in minutes. So during the day, a group could hold private meetings, do presentations, or if they needed the stage, the other 2/3 of the room could be draped off, so several small events could take place without disturbing the quiet of a coffee shop cafe.

          Then on Fri. and Sat. nights we'd have acts, and Sat could be a running TALENT show, and Sundays, could be used for Football watchers.

          Now this sounds like an expensive thing to do, but I have learned from some pretty smart people NOT to invest money in these things, but do as much as you can on a lease deal...until concept is proven then buy out your lease.

          We had it planned out in detail and actually one member of my team was working on the Franchise angle of it, there are lots of empty spaces, old stores and many with 8 to 10k Sq. FT and smaller units more like a starbucks type thing.

          What I learned a long time ago, if you buy or build a big bldg, with big open spaces, it can always be used for something else. 20 years ago, they built racket ball courts, take out the walls, you have a big space, an exercise center, a gym, a warehouse even. From my Real Estate days I learned that these GENERAL use bldgs were a popular item in the big money investors' portfolios.

          Rather than an office bldg with a 100 offices, a nightmare in hard times to get filled, a big box bldg can easily serve many purposes.

          So our prototype got put on hold, we were hoping for a few months, then a year went by and then two, and new strains, POLITICAL footballs to kick around, and although maybe others want to open a huge place where people meet, it no longer suited us.

          On the bright side, all the time, energy and MONEY saved, well, now maybe you can come to Lestats and have a cup of tea with me, when I get back out there very soon.

          One thing, the venture opened my eyes to all kinds of things we found useful, such as the folding bleachers, the sound drapes, instant portable meeting rooms, the instant mezzanine, which we discovered when looking at a local BEST BUY we thought might become available, all that wasted space above. Since then we've had some graphic folks lay out many different schemes for using a big space.

          In Junior High school we called our gym the multipurpose room, and even had a big curtain in the middle to keep the boys away from the girls.

          So my dream/goal of being a Coffee house raconteur went away when covid arrived.

          If you are into RE, keep the idea of wide open space in the back of your mind, it will help get you through the ups and downs of the cycles.

          GordonJ

          P.S. The door on that closing, did open other doors that I am now working on. Sometimes, it might be best if your dream gets shifted a bit, I take it as a good sign, otherwise, I'd be dead drunk up against the honky tonk juke box.
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Last year, I told my online business partner I would make one new offer a month, having no idea what those would be.

            In Jan. it was a done for you report/sales page, in Feb. it is the 10k guarantee.

            So what did I learn from the Warriors who contacted me this month?

            Sadly, a common theme. A lack of knowing what they want. My process is to ask a lot of questions, to flesh out the idea, to see why and how they are planning to do what they want to do.

            And the Warriors I communicated with, could NOT pinpoint what they wanted.

            Having one specialized report out there, hasn't to my knowledge, made anyone any significant money. But as a lead gen piece of content, it can build your list, your cred, your authority and help you to create a following. A book is even better, but a decent report can do the same thing.

            But just to have A report, to sell just the one thing, without a plan for back ends, or even upsells or cross sells or to do some email follow up with...doesn't make any sense to me.

            If I had to ID the ONE thing most Warriors come here for, it would be to learn how to make money. Also, I'd bet that those folk don't know why, or have some generalized idea, like to quit my job.

            So, you want to quit your job, how much will you have to earn to do that? When you add in the costs of self funded health care and other expenses, it looks like they have to make at least 25% MORE than their annual income.

            I think the so-called GREAT Resignation of today, is going to flood the market place with more people who want independence, but really, have no clear idea what that even means to them.

            I consider myself a very good MAP MAKER, but I have to know where you want to go.

            And too many Warriors don't have a clue. THAT might be job one, to figure out what you want first, THEN, look for a way, a plan or an idea on how to get it.

            I also discovered that most of you that responded to my offer, DON'T like to be asked a lot of questions, and found I can be even more irritating with direct contact than I am on the forum.

            But without answers to the most basic of questions, like what do you want and why?, I'm one of those helpers that becomes useless.

            Nothing worse than a useless helper is there?

            GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        Socialization.

        Getting out with other people. Always a need, not everyone wants to hide out like us, most want some human interaction.

        So bunker living is off the table for those folks.

        The coffee house will always be with us, even Plato hung out at one.

        GordonJ
        You know, it's strange... up until maybe 10 -15 years ago, I was so busy serving clients offline and a total outdoor kind of guy with a passion for being a bit of an attention seeker and a bit of a comedic joker, but lately, I am hunkered down, total introvert, and it actually makes me wonder; how did this change take place?

        I think in part it was fear, after observing what can happen to good people. Before that, I could go run around writing a few invoices, collect my money like clock work, and be 100% content to work hard and stay the course without any concern for political or socioeconomic changes, I took all that for granted after a 20 year smooth run. Oops - lost a couple million dollars at least on that blindsided view!

        After the 'bail out' people got scared. The pandemic, people ARE STILL scared.

        I believe much like yourself, there is definitely some vibes in the ether bits suggesting we need to sincerely be solution providers more so than ever!!! - Or people will be run over, bankrupted, and conformed to the socialist mentality... I cannot function in that, I too listen to the music you likely grew up with, that was my mother's music - such as your other post with the Tom Petty and George Harrison, they knew - a lot of writers/artists/visionaries seem to get the early warnings, I believe I did!!!

        But it was more of a brick to the head "wake up call" I wasn't sure how to respond to, I'm just now starting to formulate a real plan to combat what I consider a very real threat to those who are not yet seasoned in taking a financial hit at the expense of relying too heavily on the same old same old routines, we need to pivot and protect the freedoms and opportunities for the next online or by horseback curriers, both still would get the message out.

        Lastly, I thought about it the other day, I don't have my written rolodex of important contacts, phone numbers, and stuff that would be impossible to remember - if the power or internet just stopped working. I could survive, I believe; but many would suffer greatly due to their reliance on easy lifestyle conformities.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Art.

    What is the lifespan you can expect based on family history. My mom got to 75 my dad to 80 and they had very unhealthy lifestyle and have family members that lived into their 90's.

    This is a stretch in thinking but what happens if the country is no longer financially able to fund prolonged treatment for conditions that are from bad habits.

    So unless you can afford how much diabetic medications will cost ten or 20 years from now and you have type 2 now or are developing type 2 .you will probably die or lose limbs then die young.

    The result of to many wanting wanting more free stuff and fewer and fewer paying in as everything keeps getting more expensive.

    How long before everything breaks because prices keep going up a lot faster than what 90 percent of people earn goes up.

    Of course if wages are not going up and it becomes easier to make more money stringing side hustles together and doing cash work off the books

    What good would a Rolodex do in a power down situation if the contact numbers are people's cell phone, e-mail and Facebook messenger. Etc
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Gordon

    If they can't tell you what they want. They probably can tell you what they don't want and that is driving them to something else. They are not sure what though .

    We have come to a conclusion in other threads that the people with the most joyful lives . At core enjoy the work they do..

    Let play a game and assume the main desire is work they enjoy doing. But they don't believe such a thing is possible for them.

    They don't know what they have done wrong but a lot of jobs are just punishment for being alive at a time where you need money to live
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      The most joyful of lives. VS. The most successful, moneitarily.

      edit to remove political reference


      You are right, most can define what they don't want. And doing something they want to be doing is at the top of the list of fuzzy wants. And you present the paradox of, wanting to do something they enjoy to make their moolah, but not BELIEVING it exists.

      I hate the term life coach. It literally causes a physical reaction of lip curling dismay.

      Here is my "coaching" strategy: you were born, you will die, in between you have a lot of control, TAKE IT.

      But if they have surrendered that control to others, and don't want to take it back, I need to be fired as their coach.

      The ONE thing they all have done wrong, is to ACCEPT life as it is now, and not THINK for themselves.

      As for the people in our lives? Well they have been TRAINED by us on how to act toward us. We tell them what is acceptable and what is not, from a very young age if it is our children, and the

      8 year old us is often the one person in the world, we have to do what the great Old Maester Aemon at Castle Black said to John Snow, "kill the boy and become the man".

      If our selves talking to us and seeing things through those formative eyes are the problem, then we must get rid of that kid ASAP. And the Philosopher's Stone looks like an ordinary rock to those who most need it.

      And MOST people have surrendered dreams, if they ever had any, but they suffer from a 1000 cuts of others, and not the knife they drove into their own hearts.

      A course on how life works in those formative years would solve a lot of problems.

      But as a guy who wants to help, and as a marketer/consultant/advisor BUT not a coach, who takes their money to tell them HOW to reach the goal...

      I'm helpless if there isn't one.

      GordonJ


      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Gordon

      If they can't tell you what they want. They probably can tell you what they don't want and that is driving them to something else. They are not sure what though .

      We have come to a conclusion in other threads that the people with the most joyful lives . At core enjoy the work they do..

      Let play a game and assume the main desire is work they enjoy doing. But they don't believe such a thing is possible for them.

      They don't know what they have done wrong but a lot of jobs are just punishment for being alive at a time where you need money to live
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    I don't know...

    I'm starting to think people have become accustomed to suffering, surrendering their innermost dreams, and just living check to check.

    My most beloved people in this world and the many who have already passed over to the other side never seem to know what they wanted, it pains me - because I know exactly what I want; financial independence, but it's not for the reasons most would think, if they think at all.

    I'm considering a lot of reasons for this type of behavior and still; most the excuses (*including many of my own) are not even valid. It's just a reason to ignore reality for many who have no direction, then refuse to follow the instructions.

    I'll admit; one thing I have struggled with is not the idea of following instructions or how things work - rather; the sheer amount of crap other people produce makes it nearly impossible to cut through the bs, stomp out all the fires others light and do not maintain... and I guess, being blind-sided by those who want to tag along - but do nothing respective to support the sacrifices others have made to be successful.

    Whether be it a castle or a tent, my respect remains. To some, they dream of the castle, but refuse to acknowledge where they currently reside!

    Also, Thank-You WARRIORS as I never really did subscribe to this forum for the sole purpose of making money, I came here seeking understanding, knowledge, and wisdom - and for awhile I thought the forum lost that in the sale... No, there are still people here sharing it daily!

    I couldn't find it anywhere else, probably why I came back here!

    ... and here I feel like a whooped wet dog ATM with nothing to offer, but that is temporary!

    Lastly, I do believe the people in our lives make staying in focus very difficult - as many are just content to live to the next pay check and that viscous cycle Odahh mentioned... I cannot sustain long like that, though I find my disgust for money and the influence it often carries being part the blame - I too know; the problem cannot be fixed without money or something of value.

    I feel tempted to dangle those golden carrots in front of hungry horses... but, that won't solve their problem. Until these CHILDREN experience the facts; you cannot shovel enough sh!t into those internal voids and expect to find any sustained satisfaction - nothing will change!

    I've consumed all kinds of addictions, poisons, and chased worthless paper for many of my 50 years, only to find, what I really want - is to leave something timeless behind for the next.

    Today, I almost fear there's simply not enough time to waste on superficial trinkets, toys, and empty promises... which is what most the people I know are consuming, they don't seek understanding, knowledge, and wisdom.

    Here I have access to "The Philosophers Stone" and cannot find ONE person to extend that olive branch to in my immediate company!

    Love, Pain, and Suffering! - that's the 3-way mirror!
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      is to leave something timeless behind for the next.
      At this point in my life... im not "Working" for money... Im working for Legacy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        At this point in my life... im not "Working" for money... Im working for Legacy.
        Where I don't have a pre defined notion of what legacy means.

        I'm up for what you feel it means. What legacy are you working for.

        I'm 43 I get my health right medical technology may make it possible to live well past 100 and be healthy and mobile and youthful.

        What do you want your legacy to be
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    I am not against a paycheck. I just have never found a way to get a paycheck without working a job that literally made me want to kill my self. Then my family thought the stuff I wanted to do when not at work was not as important as what they needed me to do for free.

    Anyway I am not a financial independence person. The people who want it never really get it. The people who get it usually keep working and finding more ways to grow the net worth.

    The goal for me is more getting the cost of the lifestyle I want as low as possible and finding several ways to make money to more than cover those costs.

    I don't want or need a big house . I need a bedroom a bathroom a kitchen and living area. Something not expensive to build. I am more interested in a few acres of land.

    I know what I want but that is from understanding what I do not want first. Unless someone gets burried in their mess and has to clean it up. It is hard to know what they really want

    On one hand you should be thankful you didn't mess your son up otherwise he would be on smoking meth or spice. Or shooting heroine that could easily kill him

    So apparently he is lazy plays video games to much and probably watches to much porn. . And it the porn messing his brain up . Not the video games. The highly produced stuff leads to falls expectations of what to expect in reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by obmal View Post

      Since we are in a pandemic situation, people try to work online and they focus more on shifting their platform digitally because more and more people use the internet. It lessens the stress and hassle they experience compare to working in a physical office setting.
      Yes, more are TRYING to work online, and yes more people are online...but NO, it does not lessen stress, in fact, it may add to the anxiety of not having an income/job or place to go to work.

      Only MY opinon, but I find there is more stress and anxiety working with those who want only an online business/money maker than those who are off line.

      Then, add in the possiblities, the CHOICES one has to make, the learning curves, the 1001 different voices telling them What and How to do it...YIKES, again, my view...

      Online has more stress and hassle for those who need to make money and may have joined the Great Resignation a tad bit too soon.

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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        Yes, more are TRYING to work online, and yes more people are online...but NO, it does not lessen stress, in fact, it may add to the anxiety of not having an income/job or place to go to work.

        Only MY opinon, but I find there is more stress and anxiety working with those who want only an online business/money maker than those who are off line.

        Then, add in the possiblities, the CHOICES one has to make, the learning curves, the 1001 different voices telling them What and How to do it...YIKES, again, my view...

        Online has more stress and hassle for those who need to make money and may have joined the Great Resignation a tad bit too soon.

        GordonJ
        When it is so much easier than ever to start something offline . Why are so many without the needed skills intent on fully online. Without being financially able to actually do it.

        Or am I just biased in thinking people much like choosing the path most likely to fail.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          QUOTE=Odahh;11697189]When it is so much easier than ever to start something offline . Why are so many without the needed skills intent on fully online. Without being financially able to actually do it.

          Or am I just biased in thinking people much like choosing the path most likely to fail.[/QUOTE]

          We (marketers) make it look easy, sound easy, write copy to sell EASY, it feels as if it COULD be easy...

          Wait, I have a computer.
          I'm online.
          Others are making money.
          I will too.

          And when the search begins, they bump into 100,001 gurus and IM that tell them sell them, cast a spell on them that it is EASY.

          Just follow the Plan, Blueprint, Steps, Formula, whatever I did you can do it too.

          So, we have to accept some of the blame, but also, we human beans are wired to make these associations and it simply has to resonate with our tiny little lizard brains, and then it begins.

          It helps, that many thousands of people HAVE found great success online doing just about anything. But the skill lacking, is often the same skill lacking in the Off line world to, the skill to THINK for themselves.

          And we come back to why they can't/don't and whether we should just go with their flow and take their money if we offer a good value?

          GordonJ
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          • Profile picture of the author art72
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            When it is so much easier than ever to start something offline . Why are so many without the needed skills intent on fully online. Without being financially able to actually do it.

            Or am I just biased in thinking people much like choosing the path most likely to fail.
            We (marketers) make it look easy, sound easy, write copy to sell EASY, it feels as if it COULD be easy...

            Wait, I have a computer.
            I'm online.
            Others are making money.
            I will too.

            And when the search begins, they bump into 100,001 gurus and IM that tell them sell them, cast a spell on them that it is EASY.

            Just follow the Plan, Blueprint, Steps, Formula, whatever I did you can do it too.

            So, we have to accept some of the blame, but also, we human beans are wired to make these associations and it simply has to resonate with our tiny little lizard brains, and then it begins.

            It helps, that many thousands of people HAVE found great success online doing just about anything. But the skill lacking, is often the same skill lacking in the Off line world to, the skill to THINK for themselves.

            And we come back to why they can't/don't and whether we should just go with their flow and take their money if we offer a good value?

            GordonJ
            Both appear to be true... Odahh suggests "getting a job" is at least a paycheck and means to survive. I agree to an extent, as it is hard to break the routing once you settle for that option and it impedes on time, energy, and the ability for many to stay focused when many (*as was I for a few years) up at the computer all night until it was time to go to work again in the morning with little or NO SLEEP!

            Gordon is NOT WRONG... when I followed FREE ADVICE from a Warrior named; Matthew Neer who was a bit of a rogue warrior, cussing and just being a skateboarder type of person... free spirited, I guess as was I (and still am to a degree).

            But he hit me up in a DM and said; "Hey Art, I've read a lot of your posts you seem familiar with IM and business, if I give you FREE ACCESS to my $9.97 monthly membership site; Digital Bankroll - would you be willing to give me some honest feedback.

            2 weeks later, I ranked the ugliest blog on the planet, ranked on page 1 of Google doing simple on-page SEO he taught me in that exchange. I followed his directions to the letter!

            http://cultivatewealth.net/wp-conten.../Blog-2011.png (Screenshot of Ugly Blog! - Notice the date also!)

            I held page 1 rankings for nearly a year in the #2, #4, and held a few more slots for multiple keywords on a free one page blog, and woke up within 14 days with (2) sales and $94 ($47 commission - per sale)

            That ONE ClickBank review article - eventually ran it's course, but in total I made roughly $1200 in paid commission checks from CB - for what equated to 4 hours of work, and I never touched that blog since! That's $300 per hour!!!

            I spent 30 minutes giving Matt a rave review and personally thanked him for what I learned in that exchange.

            BUT here's the part where I drifted into the ABYSS of information overwhelm!!!

            1.) I didn't have a clue how to create an email list and capture the leads before sending them to the offering

            2.) I had NO CLUE who has purchased the offer - outside of the credit card type, date, and what state or country they purchased from, not their age, sex, interests, or reason for buying???

            3.) I felt dirty because the technique I used was every poor man's dream - to make profit from NOTHING!!! - They called it; "Bum Marketing" for a reason - I had little capital to invest as my offline business was going bankrupt!

            4.) I felt like it was 'cheating' because I made sales on a product that I too had purchased prior to promoting, and believed in that product... not sure I believe it delivered in the long run though, (bows head in shame) - shiny object, push button bs!!!

            5.) Despite having a few sales trickling in - it wasn't enough or consistant enough for me to see the long-term - compounded interest a 100 reviews could've had, if I just kept doing that ONE thing over and over again!

            Instead, I listened to Warriors talking about; "The Money is in the List!"

            I believed them then - and I believe it to be MORE TRUE now than EVER before with the guru's throttling the FREEDOM OF SPEECH on certain platforms, changes in SEO algo's, and the ability to OWN & CONTROL your ASSETS, such as a list of potential buyers... and eventually a list of BUYERS!

            It's easier to sell to a repeat customer than find new ones!!! Still TRUE TODAY!

            I felt like something was missing, I felt IGNORANT - so I learned more about list building, SEO, writing sales copy, content, advertising, organic traffic sources, and web design, Photoshop, and automated systems and sales funnels...

            That really only took 3-4 years to accomplish, but I was still making 99% of my income offline which has been getting harder and harder in my offline skillsets.

            So, despite 'burning the midnight oils' - 'dark nights of the soul' and all the other studies and research I conduct - yeah, I should've chosen the following:

            - ONE NICHE
            - ONE LIST
            - ONE FORMULA
            - ONE OFFER
            - ONE URL/WEBSITE

            Instead, I bought 300 domains, dreamt of having 1000 websites in 5 years... and here I am back scratching to get that 1st ONE DONE RIGHT and cannot shell out a $1000 to do that right now.

            That last part, is my EXCUSE for all the crap distracting me in my life right now... I could sell my truck and pull the resources needed, but I won't IN FEAR - what if the funnel doesn't generate income for 3 months...

            All because in reality, that's about how long I see it taking to generate consistent TRAFFIC & SALES REVENUE and enough income to replace a $500 per week job!

            Meanwhile, I too dismiss what I already know as most do - thinking it's OLD NEWS, when in TRUTH & ABSOLUTION most people here and especially offline don't have a clue how much of these funnels work, I broke them all down like a NEWTONIAN SCIENTIST would, I'm not ANY better for it yet - but I certainly DO NOT regret the hours invested...

            We often make excuses - while other people get rich with far less effort. I just feel the need to know how it works? - and, I seldom worry about money.... until I don't have any, funny how that works.

            Some of my greatest past success came from having no clue what the hell I was doing.

            Thereto, now that I know a ton of offline skills - they don't pay very well anymore. You would think; it would pay better knowing MORE... that's not always true!

            But... my main vision is fueling offline businesses - once I perfect my online formulas.

            For now, affiliate marketing would likely carry me to the bigger arenas I seek to break into and fund the business model I cannot afford to build just yet.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            QUOTE=Odahh;11697189]When it is so much easier than ever to start something offline .



            And we come back to why they can't/don't and whether we should just go with their flow and take their money if we offer a good value?

            GordonJ
            All the voices in my head have been trying to come up with a response for a few hours and they got nothing.

            Maybe there is an unmet opportunity for a course or product to help people figure out what they want.

            Maybe long term goals are to much. And a number of benchmark that increase their chances of surviving in business .

            You already mentioned needing to increase income by 25 percent over when someone was working a job. I bet you have a list .

            I know what I really want and when I have my land and my little house and big garden with lots of fruit trees. And my healthy weight. I'll find her.

            I wasted to much tim the last 7 years trying to figure out how to get back over to the Philippines to find a wife. But I was also putting that off until post enlightenment.

            I bet if you are dealing with men who are young and single. What they want is to be in a position to attract and keep women they find attractive.

            But of god can that be and even bigger can of worms of not knowing what they really want. Haha
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          When it is so much easier than ever to start something offline . Why are so many without the needed skills intent on fully online. Without being financially able to actually do it.

          Or am I just biased in thinking people much like choosing the path most likely to fail.
          Easier? actually far from easy... way more complicated, and way more expensive. I can start an online business right now with NO MONEY DOWN... maybe a $40 investment in inventory... thats it.

          $40 wont even cover to pay for the gas to put in your car looking for a good location to rent for your offline business. Or even more basic... get you to Job interviews.

          People are going "Online" because they think they can start with little or nothing...which CAN be true... but that specific path as I seem to preach day in and day out is with the use of platforms to sell GOODS.

          BUT, people think selling online is about building websites and this and that and developing a products and hiring VA's and hiring out for this that and the other...ALL of these things... are money and time. And the SAD reality is.. many a person "Starts" an online business, and spend an amount of money and lots of time, only to fall short and never actually get them into a poition to start selling anything.

          The #1 hang-up to success is TRAFFIC, Online and Offline, and in todays world BOTH require the knowledge of developing that traffic online. You succeed at this once, and then a second time...you can do it hundreds of times... thousands of times... MY personal success comes from this very principle.

          Around the world... business' are closing at a feverish pitch. And there is really only 1 reason this would be happening, its because these people had no clue how to get people on their website, or people through their store door - TRAFFIC.

          On platforms IE Etsy, eBay, Facebook Marketplace etc... there are 3 elements in the way of success... a Photo, a Title, and a Price... that's it... nothing more nothing less. If you cant succeed on one of those platforms with little to no investment... i sure as heck would not suggest trying to build a site, or open an offline store. Your just asking for failure.

          Once you understand Photo, Title, and Price... you can then translate that learned experience into things like paid advertising... whats an Ad? Photo, Title, Price. Then you decide you want a website... SEO is what? Title and Price, and the photo is replaced with a written description. ( A picture says 1000 words )

          Its all the same over and over - different form same exact function.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by moneymint View Post

    For the last six to nine months there has been a mentality created among the global population not to turn to work because they do not want to work for others.

    There is news that 41% of the population will leave their jobs this year alone and want to start their own work. It is a very big topic with a lot of discussions and debates with evidence.

    So, what my question is, do these people think of turning to affiliate marketing, a small online business, freelance jobs, dropshipping business or are turning to their attention to eCommerce?

    Because nowadays there are lots of opportunities online and offline and people are tired of their working places.
    The very premise of all this is FLAWED... It is a Narrative... and a False Narrative at that. Unemployment is currently at an absolute all time low. We are not talking since the Pandemic.. we are not talking Just before the Pandemic... we are talking about historical LOW unemployment.

    If you pay attention to the news, we are experiencing one of the largest migrations in American history since probably the 30's. When you up and leave one State... what do you do? you quit your job...and when you settle in a new State, what do you do? you start a new job.

    A quick question.. how many people do you know right now ( Other that Arts son ) that quit their job and is just lounging around? I personally can not think of 1 person ( in my circle of influence ) in this situation.

    How many people in the older generation maybe retired early but went back to work.. working for the same company they "retired" from, but as a 1099? I know HUNDREDS that would fit that description.

    People are not out starting up their own business' in droves... the statistics I am reading is new business start-ups are actually in a bit of a lul - New Tax reporting that went into effect I think may have something to do with that.

    The whole premise of the great resignation is miss leading at best... It is propagated to distort the truth... A False Narrative FAKE NEWS if you will.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
    When you look at rush hour it is amazing all the people that work in the opposite directions they live on both sides of the highway.


    Road rage.


    Gridlock.


    Gas prices.


    Child care.


    Working online (for yourself) is not easy as it sounds but it sure sounds easier than offline to me.


    I still remember the guy that outsourced his job overseas while still physically showing up daily just BSn around all day online.
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

      When you look at rush hour it is amazing all the people that work in the opposite directions they live on both sides of the highway.


      Road rage.


      Gridlock.


      Gas prices.


      Child care.


      Working online (for yourself) is not easy as it sounds but it sure sounds easier than offline to me.


      I still remember the guy that outsourced his job overseas while still physically showing up daily just BSn around all day online.
      Yeppers... 3 kids back in the day, I was paying $350 per week for (1) full-time little one, and two aftercare only, and I was always LATE.... more MONEY!!!

      It's not only that - but the costs of commuting, gas, insurance, and then being groomed, presentable, and all shiny and clean to be respectable in most work environments, and even a requirement or weird expectation in some of the "dirty jobs" people do.

      Just what I mentioned above could easily cost more than a decent home office set up with decent gear, devices, software, and most of the components to build online - and then simply adding to your pages or number of websites, subscribers, and/or offers - is still far cheaper than most people spend in time, commute, gas, and legalities driving to work.

      I used to drive 45,000 miles a year building custom pools, pulling a tandem axle trailer, Kubota KH-41 mini-excavator (or 753 Bobcat) depending on the job, and a loaded down 1-ton dually - (I was my own mechanic too... cuz I broke, blew up, and had all kinds of break-downs in those days!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Savage I agree with you.

    I believe though the people who dream of online business think dealing with any kind of products make it an offline business. Even if the marketing is done online . And if they actually have to touch products and put it in boxes to ship.

    I go with your view of using the platforms to sell real products. Is probably the easiest path into business.

    I guess it comes down to what people mean when they talk about and online business.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Well maybe because so many people encouraje people to have their own business and work for themself .Well i think this its a good idea but also having a job you like its also very good you dont need to be an entrepreneur to be happy .For example me i have a job in a factory and i like it ,even if i would be very succesful in IM i think i will not quit my real job
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  • Profile picture of the author jeanr860
    Yeah with the way things happened due to covid people were getting paid more with unemployment than they did at their hourly job. Hell if I made more on unemployment why would I want to go back to work?

    My whole thing with me is why go to work for an employer who tells me what to do? Why work for someone who makes rules that I have to follow? I want to be free. 7:00-3:30 is not free for me when I have to get up and go to work each and everyday and feel like a slave working for a company at a job that I do not like. So I need to change that. My goal is to be my own boss. I do not need someone telling me what I do and do not get to do at my job when I can be my own boss and make my own rules. That simple for me.
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    Firstly, let me say an interesting topic. Work from home has become a popular topic among my connections lately. Many people are interested in knowing how to make the switch from their current 9 - 5 job to working from home. I have a broad range of experience in different industries, so I am familiar with the steps that need to be taken in order to make this switch.

    There are a few things that anyone considering working from home should keep in mind. Firstly, you will need to acquire the relevant skills and experience. This can be done by taking courses, reading books, or simply gaining experience through your current job. Secondly, you will need to build a strong network of contacts who can help you with your business. And finally, you will need to have the discipline to work from home.
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      Ok. And? What does that have to do with the subject of this thread?

      Originally Posted by George Flm View Post

      If you endorse poor products you'll be guilty by association and your list will cringe. And your sales will plummet.
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        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        Ok. And? What does that have to do with the subject of this thread?
        Ooops sorry, wrong thread.

        I guess they are right when they say to not operate machinery under the influence of hypnosis.
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