The Shift

2 years ago

Savage

I understand what you are are talking about. At some point the healing and releasing and the self work is done. . This is perception based so it an attempt for me to explain it. You will most likely have a different view.

The shift as you explain it is in the natural of how one joins with others. Prior to the shift the nature of the joining is the source of the problem contributing to wounds and suffering and pain.

Post shift the joining with others creats a better situation for those involved. Then a positive momentum builds from that point

Right now I am not sure what is going on with me. You mentioned this not being talked about in spiritual texts. But what if the texts are the results of joining. When a master takes on followers students and deciples.or sets up a spiritual school.

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Princess Balestra

2 years ago

Gotta figure always there is a point of ultimate embrace kinda wavers between shiftin' certainty an transition.

It is equally the case that what goes around comes around, plus also frickin' death as an undeniable subplot to stuffs.

Here is where we seek within for rewards gonna manifest in the Withoutscape.

Or jus' soak stuff up bcs.

This can mebbe happen if'n we ain't gaht no cloo, but it helps to have sum kinda plan bcs meaningless surprises often feachah snakes in bulk.

May I throw in a pantie analogy?

To help one an' all review their stance to What Shifts?

Sumtimes they onya, sumtimes they in a drawer or washer, an' sumtimes they slippin' up an' down your legs for various reasons.

An' as you shift between alla the states of bein' your ongoin' relationship with your panties demands an' decribes, inevitably you gotta prepare yusself for Zaaahbie Apocalypse strategies gonna make evrythin' OK.

Bcs you cannot choose when the critters will strike.

Neithah can they -- an' that is what makes 'em so SCARY.

So ... on the basis you can't choose when the monstahs most bereft of choice gonna strike ...

you want 'em bustin' down the door while you throwin' your panties in the wash?

Actschlly, that would mebbe make a decent movie scene.

Thing is, it is in the natyoore of our regulah pantie REGIMEN to form a backdrop for adventures random or premeditated.

(An', guys, your overly elasticated thrustah boxers do not wreck this analogy, despite they srsly wreck most evrythin' else with their pragmatic stylin'.)

Way I see it, the ebb an' flow of washer-drawer-ankles blends its own pulse of shift an' certainty.

Gotta figure ascendin' a mountain demands an interflux of transportin' yusself up an' restin' -- till'n you reach the summit.

An' where you gowin' from there?

"I demand no further transition! Set my ass in stone, etch my words as final, and may God have no merciless pooping birds upon my accomplished goal!"

It is in the natyoore of the Caahsmos that degrees of mutability may seem sumtimes to be constant.

Yet always we are momentously propelled to flux.

If desire for shift don't exist within us, it is down to sumone else to show us how it's done.

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Jonathan 2.0

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Interesting concept savidge4: Thanks for sharing it.

Something similar that I have experienced is something that Entrepreneur Eben Pagan calls an "Ah-Ha Moment" ... Essentially ― usually after studying something and taking action ― a Person will have a "realization moment" where they understand something. Personally for me that was learning this Napoleon Hill/Think And Grow Rich quotation (from Copywriter Gary Bencivenga) ...

Every failure, every heartache, and every adversity carries with it the seed of an equal or greater benefit.

Here's his explanation: https://marketingbullets.com/bullet-8/

HTH.
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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Interesting concept savidge4: Thanks for sharing it.

Something similar that I have experienced is something that Entrepreneur Eben Pagan calls an "Ah-Ha Moment" ... Essentially ― usually after studying something and taking action ― a Person will have a "realization moment" where they understand something. Personally for me that was learning this Napoleon Hill/Think And Grow Rich quotation (from Copywriter Gary Bencivenga) ...

Every failure, every heartache, and every adversity carries with it the seed of an equal or greater benefit.

Here's his explanation: https://marketingbullets.com/bullet-8/

HTH.
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Well it is two different points I believe what savage is referring to happens after the events you are talking about. Where people go from realizing or aha moments or wanting and goal setting. To the point they are working on achieving some goals and bringing people in to help and work on the goal.

Rather than trying to get others to change and do something. Or talking about what you will eventually do. You start working on things and join with those who can and will help make those goals a reality. My view is probably different from savage. As his scale far exceeds anything I have the desire to do.

The joining I would do mostly would be far shorter in duration for the most part.

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Jonathan 2.0

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Originally Posted by Odahh

Well it is two different points I believe what savage is referring to happens after the events you are talking about. Where people go from realizing or aha moments or wanting and goal setting. To the point they are working on achieving some goals and bringing people in to help and work on the goal.

Interesting Odahh: Do you think "Self-Actualization" plays a part?

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Interesting Odahh: Do you think "Self-Actualization" plays a part?

We what is being discussed comes after that. After all the self work.

When you reach the limit of the growth at can be achieved at the stage of self everything. You get beyond the self and growing requires others

The evolution of humans was partly the result of tool use and cooking fire. Our talents and potentials only manifest based on the technology available and the people around us.

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Jonathan 2.0

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Originally Posted by Odahh

We what is being discussed comes after that. After all the self work.

So a Person has to reach a level of "Self-Actualization" before they experience "The Shift" that savidge4 talks about? What's been your experience with "Self-Actualization?"

Originally Posted by Odahh

When you reach the limit of the growth at can be achieved at the stage of self everything. You get beyond the self and growing requires others/

Something I learned from my Mentor is that a Person can keep growing, learning, and evolving in Life .. Essentially keep going to the next level.

Originally Posted by Odahh

The evolution of humans was partly the result of tool use and cooking fire. Our talents and potentials only manifest based on the technology available and the people around us.

Sure. Good point. : )

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"Self-Actualization" had been defined as: "The process of becoming everything you are capable of becoming."

Thoughts?

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

So a Person has to reach a level of "Self-Actualization" before they experience "The Shift" that savidge4 talks about? What's been your experience with "Self-Actualization?"

Something I learned from my Mentor is that a Person can keep growing, learning, and evolving in Life .. Essentially keep going to the next level.

Sure. Good point. : )

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"Self-Actualization" had been defined as: "The process of becoming everything you are capable of becoming."

Thoughts?

I'm at a loss you really can't attain much without people around you and appropriate technology to achieve the task.

The complexity of the society and the way that labor is divided. Allowing for specialized work.

So it what you can achieve based of the society you are in and the resources and technology you have access to use.

Self is self not much potential as is shown by what was the basic human living standards for history until the Las 200 years.

For the most part you are already joined to many parts of the system. But also that joining is by default and just kind of happened.

You need to make a conscious choice to either step out of the system or shift and join where you can be a better service to the whole and have a better life for yourself and those around you.

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Originally Posted by Odahh

I'm at a loss you really can't attain much without people around you and appropriate technology to achieve the task.

but wat about miyamoto musashi

or shrinivaja ramamujan
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- Odahh 2 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by socialentry
  
  but wat about miyamoto musashi
  
  or shrinivaja ramamujan
  
  Well I'm not sure how musashi does not adhere to my statement. He might have withdrawn to life as a farmer on a miserable piece of land no one else wanted farm . And to write his books. After accomplishing anything he really accomplished the was fictionalization or embellished in his books.
  
  Granted I read part of his books more than ten years ago a few stories of him fighting through the entire student population of schools to get to the master of the schools.
  
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- savidge4 2 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by socialentry
  
  but wat about miyamoto musashi
  
  or shrinivaja ramamujan
  
  Miyamoto Masashi, um Courtesan Kumoi? a daughter? a couple of adopted sons? And a figure like this again eastern philosophies, being Buddhist, one is going to assume based on his passion that he was more a follower of Koans Zazen - which is more "Common Collective" than say Shikantaza Zazen which is more of the empty mind passing thought type meditation.
  
  Shrinivaja Ramamujan - know he is a mathematician, but not much else to comment on
  
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savidge4

2 years ago

Ive been trying to bring my thoughts together on responding here... Some points where brought up.... that made me ponder - think - needing to clarify before I spoke kind of thing. I really dont look at the things here in what i would consider a traditional manor...

even now I am trying to take the ideas of relationships and self actualization and dong and tryingto formulate an egg or the chicken scenario.. where to start and where to end so it makes the most sense. The issue is, all of these "topics" are inter connected.. you cant have one without the other.

Self Actualization FOR ME is not a thing... Self Awareness is a far more appropriate label... BUT this comes with a caveat... and the caveat is Relationships or specifically A relationship. Self actualization is a relationship with ones inner self... a kinda far east philosophy. You start dealing with Conscious, and Sub Conscious and maybe even Super Conscious. And there comes a point that you might understand some of this is "Universal" and at that point you are working with a greater sense of self - I hope that makes sense.

Western philosophies are broken down and simplified... As an example there is Jesus and his relationship with his father... and then there is ones relationship with Jesus as the gateway to his father, and very distantly removed is the relationship of the father and the Holy Spirit... Eastern Philosophies are at the self and Holy Spirit level of relationships and again I hope that makes sense.

Self Awareness is more rooted in consciousness. The awareness of YOU, YOURSELF within your surroundings - getting to the point that you understand that anything and everything around you is a reflection of YOU and YOUR thoughts...the buck stops here, because anything and everything around me is of MY doing, MY choice. With self awareness comes accountability - by the truck load.

Enter relationships - Relationship ultimately are not relations with another person place or thing.. its a relationship with yourself - a refection of you. At its most basic there are 3 types of relationships.. good, bad, and ugly and all 3 of them are reflections of your inner self. We recently watched Johnny Depp and Amber Heards life spit out for all to see... My oh My that was toxic - Cause and effect played out for everyone to see... She ruined his life, and then in turned ruined hers - and his life was redeemed

Some other relationship failures of interest Bill Gates and his wife... mark my words, Bill will fade away.... Bezos will fade away... The relationships where the foundations of the success - pull out the foundation and usually nothing good happens after that.

Look at the opposite spectrum of failures... Albert Einstein comes to mind... Colonel Sanders comes to mind... Stephen Hawkins comes to mind... all 3 beyond strong foundation type relationships - Super Wives.

If there are 2 states of being ( Light and Dark )... where do your relationships fall? This one took me a whole lot of years... My relationship with my "Wife" is light... my relationship with my son is bright AF. Once my son was born... fatherly instincts kicked in and my ability to "Provide" became a thing.. that, ( providing ) at this point extends in to the absolute far reaches of my life - and without question the foundation of that is the relationship with my son - and the direct reflection of myself he offers.

The power of "Joining" is not a part time come and go, do it as you need it thing - it is Lungs and air... a pumping heart and blood - without relationships... you have nothing... Look at those around you that you might deem successful... and there will be a foundation, a relationship or relationships that is the light brought forth that attracts the positive energy.

So back to "The Shift". I in no way believe there is a precursor for the shift to occur - I would actually state the opposite is true - the shift is the gateway - or is physically "Self Actualization". DOING is the shift - turning thought into motion. You can sit there are try and manifest the winning numbers to the lottery all you want.. but if you dont go buy a ticket... well whats the sense.

Self actualization is one thing... being self aware of where you are RIGHT NOW, and where you want to be.. thats a whole other ballgame - and then to actually act on your future TODAY - SO the shift.

Scale... look up "Parkinson's law" at its very basic level "work will expand to fill the time allotted for its completion." Absolutely rules my life - I am divided into to many ways to count... but NO WHERE is it written that success by your standards has to follow mine?

I will say - be careful for what you ask for... you maybe asking for what you already have - more often than not I find within myself and observing others - we often do not ask for enough - and then question why we are stagnant or floundering.

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Jonathan 2.0

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Wow ― fascinating opinion savidge4. We need more People like you here in Mind_Warriors.

Originally Posted by savidge4

Self actualization is one thing... being self aware of where you are RIGHT NOW, and where you want to be.. thats a whole other ballgame - and then to actually act on your future TODAY - SO the shift.

Yeah I really like how you made the distinction between "Self-Actualization" and "Self-Awareness." Like you said ― "Self-Awareness" can happen at any point in a Person's journey ... Whereas with "Self-Actualization" ― as far as I know ― they have to complete the other levels before experiencing it. (I could be wrong though: Just a student of Success.)

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Would it be accurate to say that "Self-Actualization" is something People work towards, whereas "Self-Awareness" is something they experience?

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Wow ― fascinating opinion savidge4. We need more People like you here in Mind_Warriors.

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Would it be accurate to say that "Self-Actualization" is something People work towards, whereas "Self-Awareness" is something they experience?

I have trouble right now trying to explain this as the aspects of the self don't really have such rigid borders. It a whole system and you can't really pull the pieces apart. One aspect works in relation to the others .

It not a machine it's an organism. Change one of the parts and the entire system changes.. as you become more aware or more self aware. All other parts of the self change.

The more you need to separate it into parts in an attempt to understand the self and try to improve the self. From an attitude that their is something wrong in the self. The longer and more difficult it is to change and improve.

Because then you have to go through the process of breaking the new self into parts and analyze those parts for suspicious sign of defects to be pounded out with lots of self work.

Human suffering is not caused by desire if it causes by the striving to prove one is worthy of the things they desire. By going through lots of struggle hard work and suffering.

The more our complex and technology advanced society removes the traditional causes of human suffering. The more people tend to join with others to whine and complain and needlessly suffering to have a wonderful life long pity party

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Jonathan 2.0

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Originally Posted by Odahh

I have trouble right now trying to explain this as the aspects of the self don't really have such rigid borders. It a whole system and you can't really pull the pieces apart. One aspect works in relation to the others .

It not a machine it's an organism. Change one of the parts and the entire system changes.. as you become more aware or more self aware. All other parts of the self change.

The more you need to separate it into parts in an attempt to understand the self and try to improve the self. From an attitude that their is something wrong in the self. The longer and more difficult it is to change and improve.

Because then you have to go through the process of breaking the new self into parts and analyze those parts for suspicious sign of defects to be pounded out with lots of self work.

Human suffering is not caused by desire if it causes by the striving to prove one is worthy of the things they desire. By going through lots of struggle hard work and suffering.

The more our complex and technology advanced society removes the traditional causes of human suffering. The more people tend to join with others to whine and complain and needlessly suffering to have a wonderful life long pity party

Fascinating Post Odahh. : ) I have to ask ... How as all that advice helped you become a stronger Person ― or maybe ― a Successful Entrepreneur?

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Fascinating Post Odahh. : ) I have to ask ... How as all that advice helped you become a stronger Person ― or maybe ― a Successful Entrepreneur?

How is that website you have been talking about building for what ten years coming along how many people are getting empowering messages or motivation on a daily basis.

I'm sure you are successful in what you are actually doing while what you tell us you want to do get put off.

You may not be making millions a year but are you successful in supporting yourself without needing a job.

Outside the few weeks I worked to make the money to fly here to Vegas a month ago. I have not earned any money sense I left Las Vegas in July 2017. But I have gradually managed to improve everything about my life. And I have not had to sleep on the stre in Vegas.

There are plenty of ways to earn money legally outside of a normal job especially here in Vegas soon enough I will find a few of those ways. . The to come to Vegas again and actually coming to Vegas was in total three weeks. It almost counts as a manic episode.

But I am here. Everything I want is somewhere near here and the way to earn the money for it all is here in Las Vegas.

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Jonathan 2.0

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Originally Posted by Odahh

How is that website you have been talking about building for what ten years coming along how many people are getting empowering messages or motivation on a daily basis.

Damn. : ) When People are feeling threatened/insecure/etc they start getting "Personal". For what it's worth, I'm still working on (my current Venture) ... YourHealthyKnowledge.com ... And am 90% complete.

What about you? What are your working on?

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Damn. : ) When People are feeling threatened/insecure/etc they start getting "Personal". For what it's worth, I'm still working on (my current Venture) ... YourHealthyKnowledge.com ... And am 90% complete.

What about you? What are your working on?

I'm done working on anything right now. All my physical pain is gone for the time being so I am enjoying and savory every pain free moment I can after a decade of chronic pain.

Then mental stability is better than it been in 25 years the only problems are high blood pressure and fatigue

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Originally Posted by Odahh

I'm done working on anything right now. All my physical pain is gone for the time being so I am enjoying and savory every pain free moment I can after a decade of chronic pain.

Fair enough. : ) I hope things improve. :

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Odahh 2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Fair enough. : ) I hope things improve. :

They are .

Now in need to go along with a level of joining to get far nicer things

Added I don't have it all figured out. I have just figured out that a lot of what I was trying to figure out proved to be a waste of time.

At some point you stop just leaning and you go into the world to try to use what you have learned. Or begin looking for thing you know you can learn that are useful to to the world
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- savidge4 2 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Odahh
  
  Now in need to go along with a level of joining to get far nicer things
  
  If I may... think less of "Things" and more of "Stability" and "Happiness" I would suggest the "Things" are simply by-products of a stable and happy path
  
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  Odahh 2 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by savidge4
  
  If I may... think less of "Things" and more of "Stability" and "Happiness" I would suggest the "Things" are simply by-products of a stable and happy path
  
  Normally but all the things I currently possess fit in a duffel bad an can be replaced fo a hundred dollars. So there are a list of things I need that are more than bi products they are required at this point.
  
  The things I do buy will be quality stuff that are meant to last instead of cheap crap that needs to be replaced over time. I need quality footwear because I easily go through cheap sneakers in a month or two and the fit is never correct.
  
  But when I say things I mean a lot more than just the stuff.
  
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  Princess Balestra 2 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by savidge4
  
  If I may... think less of "Things" and more of "Stability" and "Happiness" I would suggest the "Things" are simply by-products of a stable and happy path
  
  In what place u most happy rn?
  
  Stoopid thing is, this turns out to be more a % than anythin' acquisitional.
  
  2 ways to determine this, for most anywan readin'.
  
  *Even the dopes stoopid 'nuff to pay heed to Moi.*
  
  1) Where in hell areya? Material bein' & moshins & thoughts alogethah? Tellya, less'n you been abducted by aliens or hoodwinked into submission by any shades of morons, the TOUCH SELF TO TEST ansa is HERE.
  
  So we talkin' sum kinda ground beneath feet, sum kinda horizon faroff, plus also an intrinsic balance factah means you undahstand alla this bettah than no limpet.
  
  2) What time is it? An' frankly it don't mattah what time zone you inhabit, or whethah you nooly born or near frickin' dead or in a coma gonna prevail for a thousin' years, time is NOW.
  
  HERE & NOW.
  
  Eithah it your prison of doom or your leapo point into all yonders.
  
  Or mebbe you jus' wanna swanky out this place forevah.
  
  So, hey, yeah -- what "things" you actschwlly need to smoochie on along with the sweetest kinda life-propulsin' inevitability we all gaht?
  
  Like my first evah yogah teachah said, "acquisition is the experience transaction of fools. Stay balanced in the ever-transforming cosmos as an ever-mutable being, and you will always be walking the best path."
  
  Tellya, till'n she started uppin' her rates to say prussicely the same thing every week, I was hooked.
  
  But then I saw I was merely bein' stoopid wrt to fyootyoore Moi.
  
  So I confronted her.
  
  "Belinda, how much longah we gotta show up on this basis till we acquire Nirvana? Bcs if'n your class is 'bout nuthin' more than repetition, all I gotta do is go home an' record musself peein', an' then play it ovah an' ovah till'n I spirityooly undefunct -- plus also ready for muh next cocktail in ways don't mean I gotta bust open in the mall embarrasingly."
  
  Aw, yeah, so like she looked at me frickin' daggahs.
  
  An' I would naht wish to describe the yogah-mat-on-yogah mat combats in which we engaged subsequently as a mindfulness-friendly alternative to scratchin' one anothah's eyeballs out as parta sum zen-centric bitchout fest.
  
  Hey, yeah, but that was yestahday.
  
  Today the Summer solstice, an' I would want always to feel maximally heartsy 'bout stuffs in my immediate vicinity.
  
  I am here an I am now, same equally with most evrythin' else, bless.
  
  So I may jus' squirt a whole buncha anti-incineration creams on muh boobies an go flahp out in the sun.
  
  If'n I am fortoonate, a friendly dog may lick muh face, or a bee may sleep for a while ponneth muh nose, or hunks may circle my available navel on a testosterone-enhanced Drip Ice Cream challenge.
  
  Eithah way, I will be caressed by the heat an' light of the moment in a trooly pleasin' way.
  
  CROSSBOW forums may well be frothin' with all kindsa enthoosiasm for the firepowah of CROSSBOW actschwaahn ...
  
  but I do naht desire that stuff rn.
  
  I layin' out sweet flat on my back in a trooly invitational capacity moved on from Belinda an' possibly the Lion King also.
  
  Makes me feel like a grown up even tho I less than a foot tall in this position (less'n I gaht my legs up).
  
  How else you levelin' with nowan less'n you can spread out sweet?
  
  An' what kinda shifto movement gets you back to this place?
  
  It is an unfortoonate consequence of Zen Mind Beginnah's Mind how it attracts to its soopreme vacuousness all kindsa assholes ain't gaht a cloo.
  
  Rest easy with Moi, we can let alla that schwango pass.
  
  Hey, plus this ain't no kinda lettin' go, it is an actschwl acquisition steada % gonna sustain evah, beyond all dreams of inflooencahs of ultimate rot.
  
  That is why you look at yuh evah changin' self in the shiftin' light of the mirrah an ask, "hey, Sweetie -- today, what in hell you gaht?"
  
  Othahwise, it jus' Plooto collidin' with Mercury sum time in the fyootore, an' you don't get no say in the deal.
  
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savidge4

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

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Would it be accurate to say that "Self-Actualization" is something People work towards, whereas "Self-Awareness" is something they experience?

A phrase I dont think I have ever shared here... "Think with your hands" shapes what and how I do things. Do first.. and put in the thinking process later. I would say the exact opposite of how most if not damn near all of the world operates. I have been blessed with an amount of experience in my life... and its that experience that comes into play - and all I have to do is get the ball rolling - act on an idea. I dont have to plan out steps A, B, C, and D - I already know what they are.

As much as things may be different, they are very much the same. Building a house and building a website pretty much follow the same steps. Site preparation, foundation, structure, interior finishes, landscape, and then marketing ( if you are selling the house you built ) There is no order of complication - that is only self imposed.

People are so caught in trying to actualize, that they never get around to experiencing. I bet 99% of all ideas are dead before a single action is taken to play it out...and without that - There is a lack of experience - and a lack of experience plays itself like an infinite loop of nothingness.

YES I very much agree self actualization is something people work - towards - but most never achieve... and Self Awareness is knowing who what where when why and how you are in any given situation. Self awareness in my book is the "Action" in call to action... and thinking with your hands puts ideas in motion

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Thanks savidge4. : ) Just a quick comment:

Originally Posted by savidge4

As much as things may be different, they are very much the same. Building a house and building a website pretty much follow the same steps. Site preparation, foundation, structure, interior finishes, landscape, and then marketing.

I agree. However certainly for a Builder (House or Website) to accomplish all that ― they have to have a certain level of learning, education, and understanding ― and that naturally requires "Thinking process".

Personally ― depending on the goal ― I think both Thought (etc.) and Action are important. They don't have to be mutually exclusive or an "either/or" proposition.

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Thanks savidge4. : ) Just a quick comment:

I agree. However certainly for a Builder (House or Website) to accomplish all that ― they have to have a certain level of learning, education, and understanding ― and that naturally requires "Thinking process".

Personally ― depending on the goal ― I think both Thought (etc.) and Action are important. They don't have to be mutually exclusive or an "either/or" proposition.

Well if there is no real doing or actions that have a result. If it permanently in the thought, visualization. Motivation realm. And does not translate into more positive actions and results.

Even if you start a deep in the suboptimal or complete mess. And only got to the level of average or normal life. That is a vast improvement. And perfectly fine.

If you don't go on to be a super successful deca millionaire entrepreneur .

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Jonathan 2.0

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Originally Posted by Odahh

Well if there is no real doing or actions that have a result. If it permanently in the thought, visualization. Motivation realm. And does not translate into more positive actions and results.

Exactly: "Thought" without "Action" ― doesn't (work most of the time) ― however "Action" without "Thought" doesn't usually work either. A Person can take Action all day long ... However without the right thinking (etc.) it probably wouldn't work.

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Exactly: "Thought" without "Action" ― doesn't (work most of the time) ― however "Action" without "Thought" doesn't usually work either. A Person can take Action all day long ... However without the right thinking (etc.) it probably wouldn't work.

Well without a method to measure results on a short term and long term basis.

You can think all you want. Act all you want. But. Without a set of numbers or measurements to point to in the short and long term. Or without some other outstanding manifestation that can be pointed to.

Thought to action to measure able results. To thoughts of how to get better results to actions to get better results.

Then there is always hitting the results you planned on in the first place.

There are many parts of life where constant improvement is not needed.

The learning process and thought process is greatly excelerated and short. Having measurable outcomes and the willingness to identify and join with how ever is appropriate those who can get you closer to or help you get the desired results

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Originally Posted by Odahh

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Lol. Well you have a point ... However practically speaking, that simply doesn't work in a "General Discussion" context ... Hopefully we're not all here to be "accurate" ... Just having a good Discussion ... Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right ― However I hope I've contributed something of value to the Discussion.
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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Lol. Well you have a point ... However practically speaking, that simply doesn't work in a "General Discussion" context ... Hopefully we're not all here to be "accurate" ... Just having a good Discussion ... Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right ― However I hope I've contributed something of value to the Discussion.
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If contribution was a requirement I would have been banned long ago. Here work more as a place that one can talk about concepts . That you don't run into many people you can talk to in daily life.

It's hard to find anyone that can talk about spiritual topics and wealth and and money.

We live in a world where money is a requirement to fill basic needs and provide comforts in life.

Nearly everything has a price. I know I'm twisting something savage said but money is more a bi product rather than a goal.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

If contribution was a requirement I would have been banned long ago. Here work more as a place that one can talk about concepts . That you don't run into many people you can talk to in daily life.

It's hard to find anyone that can talk about spiritual topics and wealth and and money.

We live in a world where money is a requirement to fill basic needs and provide comforts in life.

Nearly everything has a price. I know I'm twisting something savage said but money is more a bi product rather than a goal.

"We live in a world where money is a requirement..." what happens when we say "We live in a world where Happiness is a requirement"?

Its an absolutely foreign thought - I honesty can not think of a time in my life in respect to earning money that i did not enjoy what it is was doing - why exactly would I do something i hate? WHY? and yet people do it all day every day - and we are talking a majority of people.

Your average teenager right? gets a summer job at some restaurant or a hardware store or where ever... and they go home and play video games and complain abut their job... uh why arent you working at Game Stop? DUH?!?!?!

People CHOOSE to be unhappy... and never see the HAPPY choice right in front of them.

I live it and will forever say it.. Do what you love... and the rest will just fall into its place.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

"We live in a world where money is a requirement..." what happens when we say "We live in a world where Happiness is a requirement"?

People CHOOSE to be unhappy... and never see the HAPPY choice right in front of them.

I live it and will forever say it.. Do what you love... and the rest will just fall into its place.

Well I find people tend to make it far to hard to be happy and sustain that feeling and really really easy to find reasons to be unhappy and continue to stay in situations and do things that keep them unhappy.

Your idea of love of what you do and happiness. Is far different from the masses of doing thing that temporarily provide as escape from the misery.

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Originally Posted by Odahh

Your idea of love of what you do and happiness. Is far different from the masses of doing thing that temporarily provide as escape from the misery.

I get what you are saying... but they are escaping from the Misery / Pain / Fear that they imposed on themselves.

My favorite color is red... its like me saying I will take 6 of those in blue please, and then being ill about having 6 blue what evers because my fav color is red... its literally that trivial - its just silly
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Originally Posted by Odahh

If contribution was a requirement I would have been banned long ago. Here work more as a place that one can talk about concepts.

Ha ― I don't think so. : )

Actually a lot of your posts are spot on and even insightful sometimes. I think most People who reach your age ― and have been through a lot ― have something to share ... (Even when they don't realize it.)

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Ha ― I don't think so. : )

Actually a lot of your posts are spot on and even insightful sometimes. I think most People who reach your age ― and have been through a lot ― have something to share ... (Even when they don't realize it.)

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Oh cheesus heist man I am only 44. The main thing I learned from what I have gone through. Is to look for what I did that made things worse. Without knowing at the time the effects those would have.

And to look for ways to figure out the long term effects of what I am doing today or recently. Will most likely be. I share a lot here but there is a lot I keep to myself. That is actually most of the motivation for the things I state as goals here.

I'm in Las Vegas. I think the goal after I get a place is to marry some woman within days of meeting her. Haha

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Originally Posted by Odahh

Oh cheesus heist man I am only 44. The main thing I learned from what I have gone through. Is to look for what I did that made things worse. Without knowing at the time the effects those would have.

And to look for ways to figure out the long term effects of what I am doing today or recently. Will most likely be. I share a lot here but there is a lot I keep to myself. That is actually most of the motivation for the things I state as goals here.

I'm in Las Vegas. I think the goal after I get a place is to marry some woman within days of meeting her. Haha

Lol. Sorry ― I think for many People they really start understanding Life (etc.) around the age of 35 ... (I could be wrong though: Just something I read.)

Oh getting Married in Vegas (by Elvis) is a trip for sure. : )

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Lol. Sorry ― I think for many People they really start understanding Life (etc.) around the age of 35 ... (I could be wrong though: Just something I read.)

Oh getting Married in Vegas (by Elvis) is a trip for sure. : )

The elvis impersonating weddings are now banned. The company that owns the legal rights to the image of the singer put an end to it. Unless I believe the impersonator is licensed or something. Not sure

I would say 35 isn't when people generally figure life out it's when those who followed the standard path figure out something is wrong .

But after 25 changes become much harder to make so to actually change things after that for the most part needs life altering or reality destroying traumatic events. That are different from the traumatic events in childhood.

Divorce jobless or career ending events. Bankruptcy. Some personal reset to zero or worse.

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Originally Posted by Odahh

The elvis impersonating weddings are now banned. The company that owns the legal rights to the image of the singer put an end to it.

Damn.

Originally Posted by Odahh

I would say 35 isn't when people generally figure life out it's when those who followed the standard path figure out something is wrong.

Interesting: Maybe so. Personally for me my Life began to improve at approx. the age 25. The decade before that I experienced a lot of "pain" and "suffering".

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Similar to what you said ― I think it can be somewhat empowering to "review"/be Mindful of/and consider the past ... In fact it reminds me of something Chris Gardner ("Start Where You Are") said about a Person going over their "Thorny Yet Golden Past". Essentially ― the past can be difficult however there's also a lot of great things you can learn from it.

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

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Similar to what you said ― I think it can be somewhat empowering to "review"/be Mindful of/and consider the past ... In fact it reminds me of something Chris Gardner ("Start Where You Are") said about a Person going over their "Thorny Yet Golden Past". Essentially ― the past can be difficult however there's also a lot of great things you can learn from it.

I have done that. And much of the difficult things where just pattern based things that led to the same miserable things happening over and over again. So it's more about learning to identify the patterns and interrupt them.

There may be a value in learning for entertainment. But it's a waste and kind of sad to repeatedly go through the same misery or suffering and struggles over and over. Without eventually moving out of those negative patterns.

Suffering and struggle becomes the default choice. When someone reacts the same way every time something bad happens and continues the pattern that will lead to the next bad thing.

By learning the ability to respond differently . To change the pattern and eventually lead to better outcomes.

Remember it's your past and your the only one at the scene of the crime every time the same bad things happened

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Originally Posted by Princess Balestra

Ha.

You wait till I hit that baby, you all in trouble for sures.

Lol. Thanks Princess B. Like I said before ― you're an interesting linguist.

Originally Posted by Odahh

By learning the ability to respond differently . To change the pattern and eventually lead to better outcomes.

Absolutely: Great point Odahh. I've probably mentioned it before ... However it's not necessarily what happens to a Person ― it's how they respond that counts.
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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Lol.

Absolutely: Great point Odahh. I've probably mentioned it before ... However it's not necessarily what happens to a Person ― it's how they respond that counts.
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This is more how I view taking responsibility. So developing the ability to respond.

The bad outcomes are typically punishment enough. No need to go into guilt blame or all the internal finger pointing. To make changes far more difficult. Either change the way you respond or accept you are choosing at this time to let the same things happen again for what ever reason.

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Originally Posted by Odahh

This is more how I view taking responsibility. So developing the ability to respond.

The bad outcomes are typically punishment enough. No need to go into guilt blame or all the internal finger pointing. To make changes far more difficult. Either change the way you respond or accept you are choosing at this time to let the same things happen again for what ever reason.

Good point Odahh. No one in Life has it easy ... However I've always liked Susan Jeffers mantra that (essentially) "Everyone does the best they can at the time." Although I don't think that's always the case ― most of the time I think it's true.

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Good point Odahh. No one in Life has it easy ... However I've always liked Susan Jeffers mantra that (essentially) "Everyone does the best they can at the time." Although I don't think that's always the case ― most of the time I think it's true.

The real numbers say otherwise. The majority of the time people are underperforming or barely hitting mediocrity.

Otherwise you would have more people at a healthy weight than obese. And 80 percent of people would not be working in jobs they admit to not really liking.

What a person does to earn money uses up much of their waking hours and determines so much about their lives. And most of the time they are doing just enough not to get fired

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Originally Posted by Odahh

Otherwise you would have more people at a healthy weight than obese. And 80 percent of people would not be working in jobs they admit to not really liking.

but wat if those 80% of people want the job of prison executioner and nothing else

or wat if 40% wants to be professional twerkers, and 40% want to be prison executioners

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Odahh

2 years ago

Originally Posted by socialentry

but wat if those 80% of people want the job of prison executioner and nothing else

or wat if 40% wants to be professional twerkers, and 40% want to be prison executioners

It's more like you tubers, not millionaires and crypto billionaire at the moment. What ever is popular and trendy. And seems easy

As the everything bubble turns into an everything crash and we go into 20 years of economic depression.

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An individual who learns to join networks or build their own personal network. Can largely step out of and live pretty well. Despite what is going in the wider economy.

Though the is value in thinking and alone time. Without the network of people that on can exchange energy with on a mutual and positive basis. The improvement in one's life is minimal.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

It's more like you tubers, not millionaires and crypto billionaire at the moment. What ever is popular and trendy. And seems easy

As the everything bubble turns into an everything crash and we go into 20 years of economic depression.

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An individual who learns to join networks or build their own personal network. Can largely step out of and live pretty well. Despite what is going in the wider economy.

Though the is value in thinking and alone time. Without the network of people that on can exchange energy with on a mutual and positive basis. The improvement in one's life is minimal.

There's definitely a "cause and effect" to all that has become the primary influence over society (i.e., social networks, news, and information channels, etc.) and the way people view life from a need, want, or desire to acquire more stuff, more security, and more freedom... and all-the-while I agree, certain influences trigger negative vibes, recessions, depressions, and economic landslides, largely based on bad leadership, greed, or decisions made for the majority - by others - generally referred to as; the minority.

Isolating, being reclusive, and tuning to your own frequency is still a bit of a conundrum as we cannot sustain anything of any intrinsic value alone. Unless, you are a mighty hunter - move off-grid, fly solo, and run life's gauntlet like a 'mountain man' or desert dweller' living in a cave, which at times does sound like a definitive way to escape the demands and influences already established - by others.... odds are probably you would deduce your life expectancy significantly, and likely live a lonely existence.

I find people like Nikola Tesla's auto-biography fascinating as he quit drinking coffee (caffeine) and frequently 'locked himself away' (*for the most part) from societal influence to tune his mind to a higher frequency... and even then, WHERE did he go in his mind? WHO gave him the insight for the combustion engine? HOW can we escape the societal tyranny of being 'influenced' by others when in reality, we ALL rely heavily upon everyone else's inventions, farming, clothing, transportation, housing, and instructions on 'how we are to live/sustain within a societal melting pot" - heavily influenced by systems established before we were even born!

I certainly 'do not' have conclusive answers for any of those HARD questions, as I would love a log cabin nested in BFE atop a mountain and the fresh air, solitude, piece of mind, and the freedom(s) to not have to worry about money ever again - but even then, danger lurks as does influence - especially if a Kodiak Grizzly knocks on your door - or - you fall ill in a tree fort and there is no medicine man/woman to provide you with a remedy or to save/sustain your life.

We NEED to be social (*to some degree) or we die! (*So your comment of being unsocial and having minimal growth, I agree.)

Granted, we all must die; "Memento mori' - but we can choose to prolong the inevitable, so long as we remain under the proper influences, sadly, most of us were NEVER taught the core basics of how influence works, let alone taught proper psychology, and cognitively understanding the system was built to conform, control, and keep (forgive the term) The Sheep safe until the need demands an exhaustion of resources... which is today's reality according to Elon who boldly and profoundly states; "de-population" is a menu item on some people's agendas....

Don't be the sheep!

You don't have to be a wolf either...

You can be a sheepdog, and observe from a heightened perceptive view of how the 'SYSTEM' demands our attention. What we choose to do about it, remains our choice as does the future rewards or consequences of our own thoughts and the actions we choose (*or choose not to) employ!

I need to be a better boss over my time, energy, and earnings... that's all I know, nobody else will hand you the keys to the universe - it's up to you (us, as individuals) to test drive all there is to explore... we may not always like what we find, but how else might we know; if not to explore beyond the known paths of familiarity?

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

Lol. Sorry ― I think for many People they really start understanding Life (etc.) around the age of 35 ... (I could be wrong though: Just something I read.)

Oh getting Married in Vegas (by Elvis) is a trip for sure. : )

Ha.

You wait till I hit that baby, you all in trouble for sures.

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0

I agree. However certainly for a Builder (House or Website) to accomplish all that ― they have to have a certain level of learning, education, and understanding ― and that naturally requires "Thinking process".

Personally ― depending on the goal ― I think both Thought (etc.) and Action are important. They don't have to be mutually exclusive or an "either/or" proposition.

Firstly thank you for the banter, it is much appreciated... I teach what I most need to learn... and this conversation has created some moments of pause and retrospect on what i believe to be true... to better understand what I believe to be true... to better communicate it.

I dont think I am disagreeing here... its an order of operations thing. I perceive "thinking" as a step in the direction of talking your way out of something... at the very least it is a escape route.

Building a house...lets just say you have a piece of land already...you go online and you find a set of plans to build a home... You can goto an architect and have a set drawn up... THAT thinking... seeing the end result I am all fine and good with - I NEED to have that to make the rest of the process work - THE END GOAL. Anytime AFTER that point it becomes order of operations..i need to create a flat spot on the land, however that happens... IF i am doing this step myself.. i will educate myself ( think ) one this point and this point only - Where I am RIGHT NOW and looking at the end goal.. at this very moment there is no gap between A and Z.

Next I have to lay out the foundation. Stakes String, a tape measure, the needed people to tell me where the water sewer and electric lines need to be - and I self educate ( think ) and RIGHT NOW there is no gap between B and Z

If I look at steps A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z its over whelming - its daunting - doubt becomes a thing, I cant do this, I dont know how to do that, Ive never done this - you OVER think yourself into buying a house that is already built.

Websites are the exact same thing... I dont know how, its to complicated, If you see the END... focus on the step right in front of you, and think and learn what you need to think and learn about in that exact moment - for ME.. for those around me that i have engrained this into.. think with your hands first... get into it... get your hands dirty here is NOTHING that can not be achieved.

Which brings us into the concept of failure... "Failure" does not exist in my world... let me rephrase that...the ONLY WAY one can fail is if the quit, by saying "I cant" - in my world there is either "I will" or "I wont' ( AKA "I choose not to" )

Out there on your flat piece f land with a spray can some string, stakes, and a tape measure and attempt after attempt you cant get it square - I dont QUIT... learn from my mistakes, and try and try and try again... one less no to a yes. By the end of the day.. by the end of e week for all that matters, I will not only be able to tell you HOW to do it correctly... I will have a list of possible errors

Just another skill in my toolbox - I THRIVE on adding tools to my toolbox... laying out a square foundation applies to so many other things its not even funny. The entire build process actually revolves around that ONE skill as either a point of reference or the need for floors and walls and doors and ceilings and rafters and this and that and the other all being square.

I would say most people are afraid of a unknown ( process ) and just not willing to take that first step - again looking at, thinking about all those steps to get to Z - so you are "Prepared" more often than not turns into "scared"

To borrow from Ryan - You can FEAR the process, you can LOVE the process. If you FEAR the process you will never put your hands to work... If you LOVE the process, hands first - thinking / processing / learning AS NEEDED, and not a moment sooner.

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2 years ago

Well for me the shift its when you make the shift in subconstient mind .Sometimes we have so many negative ,limiting beliefs that dont allow us to get the life we want so it keeps us stuck .The real shift its when you make the change ,its not easy buy totaly worthing

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2 years ago

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I understand what you are talking about. The joining for most is something that happens by default. But those defaults are what many people end up struggling against. And I can get very esoteric as to the many levels of joining. But I won't do it here.

In my world the concept of joining and the shift would be to become aware of why you for relationships and what relationships you are in and what you get from and give to those relationships. And begin to be more deliberate and conscious of the relationships you form.

My world is crazy though

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2 years ago

One of my life goals - spirityooly undefunct

Would be a real accomplishment.

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quote=Kay King;11715815]One of my life goals - spirityooly undefunct

Would be a real accomplishment.[/quote]

Hey, c'mon, we all gotta venture there, sweetiepoppet.

Lowest bar for potential miraculature we gaht ... less'n the Spirityooly Defunct decide.

See how I raised their status there with capitals lifted outta the accidental?

Why, if'n they evah became the Spirityooly Defunct Movement, who would stand against momentum of their stomp?

Do the spirityooly undefunct gaht sumthin' in common?

Tellya, eithah they celebrate their existence or the Spirityooly Defunct gonna whoopy it offa 'em.

Way I see it, Kay, you are a proto-undefunctster.

As uncertainty rains down 'pon us evah fastah an' eveh seemingly surer, I would wish this always to be a maximally responsive stance to adopt.

How best may we deal with all emergence less'n we emergin' into all possibility usselves?

Like I said, today the Summer solstice.

Times change, so you gotta do same.

Replenish.

Refresh.

Revitalize.

Renew.

An' step out as a natchrl woman.

I believe it is this point I smacked Belinda in the frickin' chops.

"I seen this yogah mat on Amazon for fifty dollahs, but you charged two fifty, you vampire!"

"It is infused with the vaginal magma from my very core, dear initiate."

Tellya, I do naht enjoy bitin' people too much, but I sure loved bitin' her.

Prolly shoulda gone for the neck but bcs I tall for a gal I swooped down for the nose an' gaht a direct hit.

Is it a surprise to nowan how the world of karma, wellness an' fruitful peace eternal is so populated by chillout versions of the frickin' mafia?

Hey, so let's all aim for spirityooly undefunct kinda baseline ovah world peace or no more seal pups get shaht in the head by no bolt rifle.

Nowan knew ice cream was gonna positively revolutionize the planet till'n it happened, right?

So c'mon, let us dream on productively, profusely an' pro-undefunctly.

We might actshwlly get sumplace.
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Kay King

2 years ago

I am willing to be a proto-undefunctster.....as long as I don't have to join any movements or do any protesting.

I don't do groups well...

....I have a low boredom threshhold and no tolerance for fools....rules out a lot of stuff....

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2 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I am willing to be a proto-undefunctster.....as long as I don't have to join any movements or do any protesting.

I don't do groups well...

....I have a low boredom threshhold and no tolerance for fools....rules out a lot of stuff....

Voila le spunk nécessaire!

Plus also, didya know an astonishin' 76% of people belongin' to groops of fools would make out 98% bettah among groops of jus' frickin' idiots?

Tellya, when you figurin' which groops to avoid, moron is only a start point.

Which is, I guess, why most morons die alone -- or possibly as a shoot-em-up posse gone crayzee.

All I know is, I am proto-undefunctst & necessarily spunked.

Natchrly that don't qualify me to be an astronaut, so I figure the planet is safe for now.

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ryanbiddulph

2 years ago

Everything really, really, really is:

- our mind
- our choice
- our creation
- our intent

Literally, *life is nothing else*.

This reality horrifies the ego because it means that God-Spirit-intuition is in complete control, circumstances do not exist, and victims do not exist either.

Of course, applying this concept is freedom, love, peace and liberation forever.

Ryan

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DWolfe 2 years ago

Never mind
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savidge4

2 years ago

https://ipropertymanagement.com/rese...second%20homes.

you can banter on about the poor the poor the poor all you want... 65% of Americans OWN their home vs 35% rent... 10% of the 65% "Owned" properties that COULD BE rented are vacant and we will say 3% of the owned homes are 2nd residents.

There are in many States pretty strict rules on how and when you can raise rent. If the same tenant is in place you can only raise it so much. Increase in rent is not the rich making the poor pay..it is the nature of the Poor being transient ( generally stay in a lease for only a year ) and when they move out then the landlord can raise the rent to accommodate any increases in cost. If they remain and extend the lease a landlord can only increase by so much so 10% of say $800 a month is a far cry of a 20% increase on a $300,000 property or in California a $800,000 property.

I actually have a couple of rentals right now that got tax increases and the rent does not cover those increases. Increased taxes... effects the rich.

Please keep in mind the rich dont pay... taxes or their fair share or what ever you want to call it.. its a narrative - it is plain out false.

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2 years ago

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savidge4

2 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

Well many stars don't and 30-60 percent or more increases have been common around the country.

Any I was saying what you though I was saying. I know rich any wealthy pay many different types of taxes .

I was more trying to point out how all these taxes drive up prices and just make it more difficult for poor or low income levels people. Then there are the shitheads in the poor communities that make things harder.

It the behavior of the poor and low income that tends to keep them in that mode . And not some outside oppressive forces.

I will say it now and mark my words... RENT will only go higher... if the recession hits hits like I know I have been positioning for... foreclosures will be a huge thing... and there will be a mass amount of people needing to rent, vs an already stressed rental market. I anticipate double and triple increases. Taxes are the LEAST of the worries.

Here is the thing... again we can discuss the habits of the poor all day long... but that gets us where? Just one person reads what I write often... and makes the shift... Im doing my part.

Originally Posted by Odahh

It doesn't exist anywhere in our universe that we can observe.

really? Survival of the fittest? What exactly does a black hole do? You have this dynamic mass of energy just sucking up anything and everything around it that is just doing what ever it is does... a planet rotating around a star... a star just burning away

Dynamic vs Static

Im stuck, I cant get out of this... what are you doing to get out of it? I cant do anything man.. this and that and that and the other - no responsibility in any of it right? STATIC.. and the black hole... the predator, the DYNAMIC forces in life...

You can sit there and think and meditate and whatever else you want... its not until you start DOING that you SHIFT from Static to Dynamic... you can sit and think.. or you can get up and think with your hands.

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2 years ago

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savidge4 2 years ago
Originally Posted by Odahh

Outside taxes a lot of the jump in rent was due to people leaving California and high cost of living state and moving to low cost of living states.

Leaving California... YES... but because the people of California were moving to say Texas... the Reason was not driven by taxes or a perceived value... it was driven by Supply and Demand.

The data set I showed earlier states there is a 10% vacancy of rental properties - across the nation....

Again looking at Texas specifically... and honestly what I am about to show you remains true across every State that I have ever looked at.

Look here: ( https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...e/TX/EDU685220 ) scroll down to "Housing" 5th section down and look specifically at:
- Median selected monthly owner cost - with a mortgage - $1654
- Median Gross Rent - $1082
This absolutely defies any point you are making - 62.3% of Texans that own a home ( with a mortgage ) are paying MORE than those that rent. we are talking right above 1.5X more to be clear.

You are repeating the narrative... that is repressing the poor... Want to get into the real nitty gritty and look at the cost of new construction... building a 10 unit apartment building say 5 years ago would have been a $1,000,000 project. TODAY... probably close to $2,500,000 - rent is going to increase. basic rules of economics... no fluff fluff oh people are moving and used to paying more... so the rich people are price gouging the poor people.. its just absolute BS

And Like I keep saying here.. it will only get worse - all the way around
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