30, 30, 10, 100 Rinse and repeat. For all ADD types and most beginners too.

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ANOTHER Christmas season. YIKES.

We can find posts from a decade ago, and longer, asking what the NEXT year will bring. Interestingly, all too often, it brings the same old same old. And if the same old is broke, struggle, scrounge and scurry...it is time to escape the rat race, is it not?

And years of same old, has to wear a body down; physically, emotionally and spiritually.

So, this next year, consider my 30 thirty 10 100 RandR concept.

30 days to a profit. Any PROFIT will do. Sell something, create something, buy and resell something in the first 30 days. Set up a free website, sign up for a few free tools. But have a short term goal, which is EASILY reached with minimum effort.

The reason? To build off of success, and not getting stuck in the the muck of procrastination and overthinking.

During this first 30 day period there should be self reflection, self knowledge, self assessment and an unemotional look in the mirror to see what you might have to offer to the world. Learn about transactions. See them all over the Internet.

List your skills, knowledge, experiences and DESIRES. Ask what do I want and why? Often the why is the most important idea you can discover.

But do the first 30 days with one MAJOR idea in mind. Make a profit. Don't spend any money, SELL something. Get even a small amount of cash in your hand, cash you did not have at the start of the time period.

And of course, PLAN during this first period. What are the steps to reach your goal? Oh wait, you don't have a goal?

Then that might be a good place to start, eh? Create a 30 day Plan Of Action with a deadline and a dollar amount to be achieved. What will you do the first 30 days? What sort of assessments do you need? Personality? Skills? Aptitudes?

Plenty of free sites to help you out.

How much time in every day do you have to commit? Realistically?

So, first 30 days might look like this:

At the end of my first 30 days I will have made 50 dollars PROFIT above any expenses I might incur. This profit will come to me while I learn, build, plan and create a foundation for my future. I will earn the 50 dollars PROFIT by selling my TV set, and then I will have 50 dollars to invest in my next 30 day challenge.

The thirty, 30, 10, 100 is a way to break down your future in manageable chunks of time and to have a reachable and doable goal to build momentum for your IM or whatever comes next for you.

Up next, the next 30 days. Questions, comments are welcome, share your strategies and plans for having a great NEXT YEAR.

GordonJ
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    Great post GordonJ. Yeah, just to add/summarize: A Marketer/Entrepreneur should decide what's important to them -- create a Plan of Action -- and do everything they can to make it happen.

    Soon it's a New Year -- and new possibilities.
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    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    ANOTHER Christmas season. YIKES.
    Up next, the next 30 days. Questions, comments are welcome, share your strategies and plans for having a great NEXT YEAR.
    GordonJ
    See, too many Warriors want to hit a home run first time at bat. Or they buy into a program from someone and try it only to find out it doesn't suit them. I know. I know this is a part of the discovery process, how else would you know if you didn't try?

    My argument is with TRYING FIRST without consideration of what you do best, or want to do for that matter. Maybe, the first 30 days and the first profit told you something about yourself.

    Often, it is, "I don't have as much time as I think I did." Or, I don't know enough, or I can't figure this out, any number of things and whatever that part of self discovery is...it is a good thing.

    So, next 30 is a RESET. You know a little bit more than you did, and you have a little bit of money in your pocket, and if you sold your TV, a lot more time to use to benefit yourself rather than some big corporation. Sweet.

    The first week of the second 30 days is evaluation, research, discovery and resetting the goal to double the profit. If the first was 50 and it was achieved, then now go for 100.

    We Warriors have been gifted with a fantastic plan by Savidge4 in the Warrior Path section here:
    https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...days-ebay.html

    I think I would make every new Warrior read that thread first thing, and then follow Art72's thread in the same section.

    https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...-platform.html

    Warriors owe both of these guys a tip of the hat and thanks for their revelations.

    Anyhow, with my way, you haven't fully committed to going ALL IN on a given way to do things. You have sampled, gotten your toes wet, made a modest amount of money. If it is only 10 dollars via selling a low cost affiliate offer, that IS something.

    So, next 30 days start with a pat on the back. And evaluate. Now the first 30, most will get exposed to the 1001 ideas, the gurus, the courses, the EASY PEASY LEMONY SNICKET SQUEEGEE way to wealth in minutes too. AKA, the WSO section.

    And there are some decent WSO's which one might find useful, I think that comes with a Caveat Emptor sign tho.

    So the new goal is double the PROFITS. Since they were modest, it won't stretch your BELIEF, which is an important factor in the big picture. During this second 30 days, you take copious notes, which isn't a bad idea at the start, but so as not to get bogged down, it can be kept waiting for the second 30 days. It is important the first 30 to be in motion, not meditation.

    Action, not thought, at least not until the PROFIT has been reached. Then the next 30 days gives you some time for contemplation, and analysis, and having been exposed to more ideas and found something out about yourself...then you can get your journal, notebooks or Google Docs up and running.

    The goal is to double your modest income. Go from 10 to 20. From 50 to 100. From 200 to 400. Whatever modest means to you.

    Many Warriors start by thinking they can make 50,000 to 100,000 their first year because some savvy copywriter/marketer said they can. And MAYBE they can, although it is rare.

    When one sets high goals from the get go, and they get into the journey, what happens is the GOAL seems to have gotten further away. Sort of a like a Hollywood camera trick making the hallway look extended.

    A few months of furious activity, and one is still miles away from being anywhere near their goal, discouragement and disillusion comes in, and they often want to abandon ship. Or the daily grind of what they are doing eats up more time and resources than they planned for.

    So, a modest goal, a 10 to 20% of last years income, done online, might be an easier elephant to eat. If you made 36,000 at a job (18 an hour USA), then maybe 5k PROFIT your first year in online business is a more realistic goal.

    I've seen dozens of guys set the big goals, the 100k plus, and spend years not reaching it...although we have Warriors who did it, and the archives here are wonderful...some did it, reached THAT mountain top, sold WSO on how to do it (after all, if I did it, so can you)...and then after being all high up like a guru they became, crashed and burned the next year with only 4 FIGURE a year income.

    On the other hand, people who started small but profitable, and GREW steadily, and some very quickly if they chose something scalable, can often reach their goals in half the time and SUSTAIN it for years, decades even.

    First 30 days to assess, BEGIN and make a PROFIT, however small. But get a feel for IM, offers, scams, gurus, a lay of the land, and a handle on one's own work hours and how they are used.

    Then, the second 30 to reset. Document. Double the modest profit and set yourself up for a longer journey in the next 100 days after that. Questions? Comments?

    GordonJ
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      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      Then, the second 30 to reset. Document. Double the modest profit and set yourself up for a longer journey in the next 100 days after that. Questions? Comments?

      GordonJ
      The 100 days. By the way, this is a tested, tried and proven method, HOWEVER< I don't know of anyone who followed it exactly as I lay it out. My reasons for doing this way have to do with the calendar year and the time it takes to establish new habit neural paths.

      But ADOPT, and adjust it to suit your ways. Some guys like a 15-15-45, others a 20-20-60 the number of days isn't important, but the steps are...

      Make a fast, albeit small, profit.
      Double that in the same amount of time.
      SUSTAIN that for 3 time periods in a row.

      So, make 50, double to 100, then make 100 a month for 3 months and then the 10 day evaluation and rinse, repeat and/or scale up.

      We can clearly see how doable this is in the Savidge4 thread I linked to. His son made a little bitty profit, then increased it...and used TIME to grow into a very nice income.

      So, I set this up to follow a calendar year, so as one can start in Jan. Feb, then Mar/Apr/May for sustaining profits. June eval and June restart/continuation.

      You need to make a PROFIT. Double it. Now SUSTAIN it.

      By the third block of time, or after 60 days one should have a pretty good idea of how they work, spend their time, set goals, learn, read, study and apply. But once there is a profit, then it becomes time to SUSTAIN it (not necessarily grow it bigger, that can happen organically). Sometimes, growth gone wild, can lead to disaster.

      You want to get to a point of being comfortable maintaining a set income, whatever that is, so the 100 days is used to determine the sustainability of what you are doing. It might be 4 x 25 days, or 3 x 33 days, that doesn't matter. But if you make 100 in Feb, you want to make that much, at least, in Mar/Apr/May...and hopefully increase it.

      This time period is used to discover/learn about scaling, advertising, marketing...finding more customers. Increasing traffic. Raising conversions. All the IM jingo-lingo of making moolah online.

      As you document the journey, and explore more and more ways to keep the profits flowing, most people have an AH HA moment, of getting what they are doing, or not doing or don't want to do. This is followed by a 10 day GRACE, eval period, where you ask the question, do I want to continue or start something new.

      For those who feel their path has to involve multiple rabbit holes or shiny objects, using this plan allows for 3 or 4 in the first year, and if you can't find your thing in 4 tries, it may be necessary to get outside help in self discovery.

      But this method, the PROFITS method, doesn't have one spending a lot of money on programs or software, but gives more information into personal work habits, the TIME it takes to complete a task, goal setting and adjusting the ACTION taken on the Plan.

      The first 30 days there should be a lot of questions. And maybe not so many great answers. But the second 30 days should have the questions honed down, and focused in on what the goal is.

      So, this is the gist of the 30-30-100-10 Rinse and Repeat Plan of Action that almost any new Warrior can implement, and hopefully, save themselves a lot of TIME so it doesn't take years and years, but months and months of continued, adjusted, focused activity.

      GordonJ
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      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      Many Warriors start by thinking they can make 50,000 to 100,000 their first year because some savvy copywriter/marketer said they can. And MAYBE they can, although it is rare.
      I gave up the lofty goals long ago... $3.00 a day is generally where I start - the eBay thread started with $40 and hoped to make $250. far from lofty - but very obtainable.

      There are times I am literally shooting for the first $1.00 Proof of concept... yes this will work, If I can sell one, I can sell hundreds or thousands - and if I cant sell one... its never the product, it is ALWAYS targeting and messaging - ALWAYS
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        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        I gave up the lofty goals long ago... $3.00 a day is generally where I start - the eBay thread started with $40 and hoped to make $250. far from lofty - but very obtainable.
        There are times I am literally shooting for the first $1.00 Proof of concept... yes this will work, If I can sell one, I can sell hundreds or thousands - and if I cant sell one... its never the product, it is ALWAYS targeting and messaging - ALWAYS
        ^^^^^^^^^^^THIS

        I presented this thread as A plan, certainly not THE plan. Over the last two decades here at WF, I've run into a lot of people who don't buy my concept...and to a person, those that don't...have spent the TIME, often 3 to 5 years, or more...before they hit their stride or found their thing.

        And during these last 20 years, my tune has remained the same...it doesn't take years of trial and error, and seeking/searching...it does NOT have to take a lot of time...

        IF,

        You start with TARGETING, and get the MESSAGE to the target at the right place and time. Sure, it is simplistic. But by beginning with the TRANSACTION, and knowing who the target is, it will literally shave off months of trial and error.

        Take writers. I've worked with scores of them over the years.

        They are here, right now, right today...looking for a way to make money online, and TO ME, any writer who spends 3 or more years with AFFILIATE marketing, has wasted her time, UNLESS, the writing was for selling her affiliate product, as with a Sblog or copy.

        Same for programmers, coders, graphics folk, if you start with what you know, or with what you want to do...then you don't need blinders on, they are there automatically.

        Writers write.

        If they are doing something other than writing, they are wasting time, in terms of IM, and wanting to make a living from IM and writing. All other IM "chores" can be outsourced, and today, we see too many beginner writers dreaming of AI.

        If you are a writer hoping AI is going to do some heavy lifting for you, please call yoursel something other than a writer.

        Savidge4 NAILED it shut ^^^^^^^^TARGETING...MESSAGING. In the eBay thread he started 3 years ago, the TARGET was easy. eBay BUYERS.

        When you start with BUYERS, a big part of your job is done. Use a platform of millions of buyers, like eBay is, then you can see why people are able to accelerate their money making ventures. I might add, if they qualify their TARGETS first, and source their products properly, it happens much sooner.

        Electric Bikes. We wrote about them 6 years ago as an up and coming market, and back then I said the electric BATTERY sales person is going to be surfing a tidal wave of WANT/DEMAND.

        Target DEMAND, the messaging becomes easier, maybe even as simple as HERE IT IS, COME AND BUY IT.

        All of that being written, here at the WF, there is very little time spent by beginners, whether they have experience, knowledge, skills or not...very little time spent finding TARGETS to message.

        However, a PLAN OF ACTION which has this right up front, and one that produces a fast profit, to borrow from Savidge4, "gives proof of concept"...

        Might be exactly what the Warrior might do first thing, TEST the concept, get a sale, find a buyer, make a profit, and EVALUATE.

        This is pretty much summarizes the plan I posted. The number of days, could be hours, could be MINUTES even, the actual time isn't important, ALTHOUGH, my years of research says it takes at least 28 days for a new habit to take hold...

        and is the reason I set up 30 days/30 days...to allow for some new HABITS to begin to develop.

        WF provides ample evidence that a large number of people DON'T have good habits when they come here looking for money making opportunities, and the so-called DESPERATE, have terrible habits, which they don't address either.

        Anyhow, TARGETS and MESSAGING might be all you need to think about.
        Traffic. Conversions.
        Product. Buyers.
        Offers. Eyeballs.

        However you want to split and parse the whole of IM, it really comes down to the basic four things.

        Product. Prospect. PROMOTION. Media (or platform).

        And all 30/30/100/10 plans can be constructed around those four things without spending years trying to figure it out.

        GordonJ
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    You had me at; " for all ADD types" - LOL

    I sincerely appreciate the simplicity to wit; knowledge is shared freely within these threads.

    If there is ONE thing to be learned here on WF, it would be; "just get started, and take affirmative action(s)"

    Clearly, there are (and have been) multitudes of successful people here on the WF who've shared (in great detail) the means, mode, and mechanics needed to sustain and succeed in life...

    Some are hard-wired to make tons of money (online and offline), others are centered on personal growth, development, and seeking freedoms & to share their experience (*many who choose to do so freely), and other just seeking escape, direction, and a sense of accomplishment.

    The formula... "targeting...messaging...and transactions" (i.e., making sales) is the same across the boards.

    One thing that separates the wheat from the chaff - is those willing to invest the time, energy, and maybe a little bit of money... BUT, I think it's "THE WHY" GordonJ mentioned that differentiates the outcome or provides the reason, motive, and fuels the initial pursuit(s).

    Having a "flight plan is a great start... but, without landing gear, a destination in mind, or the ability to "touch down" wherever it is YOU wish to BE... or whatever it is YOU desire to BECOME... you'll create more turbulence, and the journey will take a lot longer to get where you desire to be! (*I know this from personal experience, procrastination, and "the pessimist within" that spews negative/resistance needs to be tamed, lol)

    YOU need to know HOW to LAND... be it a pilot or even, a salesman/woman - having NO landing gear or the ability to land sales is equally important.

    Thus, flying is easy... it's the landing that'll kill you! (*I've been haunted by this philosophy for decades!!!)

    You see, humans complicate everything... I know; I have over the years.

    Over-thinking (and a side dish of ADD) can be leveraged...ONCE you gain some bearing on the WHY (or the REASON) YOU elect to pursue a dream, outcome, or specific result.

    This year... I am aiming higher, shooting straighter, and optimistic to travel farther FASTER... as the eBay journey has taught me a great deal about "automating sales" and as savidge4 stated; that 1st dollar is the hardest part.

    Once you've cleared the hurdle of making ONE sale... who is stopping you from making 100 sales, 1000 sales, or even 10's of 1,000's of sales???

    It's up to YOU... the formulas, blueprints, recipes, ingredients, knowledge, tools, and resources are ALWAYS AVAILABLE... If YOU choose to exercise YOUR RIGHT(S) to access all-in-which OTHERS have proven to work.

    The hard part... "following the instructions" of those who possess more knowledge, experience, and success DOING A,B,and C to produce X,Y, and Z.

    Despite having gained some bearing with eBay and now having cleared 155 sales...I still feel like I'm spending too much time on the 80% of things that really DO NOT produce the 20% that makes the phone... "Cha-ching!" - and nearlyeverytime that register rings, I'm grocery shopping, working on someone else's home, or even drinking a ice cold beer... it tickles my ribs... somebody is BUYING the THING that tickles their ribs, fills a void, and/or brings them a sense of worth, happiness, or accomplishment.

    Years ago... Terri would buy designer women's shoes at thrift stores, Goodwill, and the likes...

    I thought she was insane, and swore there was NO VALUE in buying/wearing other people's discarded junk.

    I am eating those words today... especially, after selling a pair of Air Jordan's for $373 and keeping $307 PROFIT! (*Wait a minute... that's over 1500% gains...) our highest yielding flip yet... it put my head in the clouds, and blows my mind!

    This year... I WILL either have the $50k working capital... or... in excess of $100k in inventory, full-well knowing; it's no longer a question of "IF" - But... "WHEN" we move that inventory... it's ON!!!

    And, all the years that slipped by, I knew the formulas... I just wasn't implementing the knowledge -and, it really doesn't matter if you sell books, reports, websites, SEO services, graphic design, Air Jordan's, vacuum cleaners, local or online services... it's ALL THE SAME PROCESS!

    I wonder if most struggle to TRUSTthe PROCESS... or... IF it is moreover an issue of TRUSTING IN ONESELF... That stalls people's personal growth and financial success? (Success being defined as They; Themselves deem worthy of their investments of time, energy, skill sets... and financial stability!)

    Most... (including myself) WANT financial stability... but, many like myself know the hangar, flight plan, and have the landing strip in sight... but, the obsess about; "Who built this plane I'm flying in?"

    Getting stuck in the minor details... is a blessing and a curse. I still think to NEED to KNOW every phase of the internet before I'll be satisfied...

    And, even still... those who start with the aforementioned MINDSET;

    Targeting your audience...
    Messaging & Marketing...
    (communication)
    Sales Transactions...

    R&R
    (Rinse & Repeat)

    So simple...

    Yet, most including myself... complicate those simple to follow instructions!!!! WHY???

    Trust YOURSELF this YEAR... and don't quit.

    I know my WHY...

    If my customers are HAPPY buying stuff that they need, want, or desire...

    Then, I am HAPPY knowing by doing more of that... *serving the demand, buyers, and others...

    I WILL BE HAPPIER...

    HA!- the phone just "cha-chined!"

    156 sales and gaining altitude.

    I guess if you are the pilot, you should have a landing plan, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      I especially appreciate your share, and going live in the forum to document your "flight plan" on your eBay journey. After the holidays, you will really reach some altitude.

      As for landing gear, you want to make that works or else you "sully" the thing in the Hudson river.

      A safe landing and unloading, I reckon is the END RESULT, the place to start from in my constant harping on Backward Chaining.

      So, THANK YOU Art72 for showing us all of your journey and not hiding the uncomfortable parts from us too.

      Everything you are learning will be used in the future to make things go faster and faster.

      As you say, the Process is the same.

      Now, a general additional comment. I think the start up secret, the best first step one can take with something new is...

      LEARN how to ask the right questions.
      And then ask the right people.

      I like to start with What and WHY? And as you state, the WHY is often the hard part.

      And an aside, you have the temerity to stick with this longer term project, I don't think most Warriors have what it takes to see it through, which is why I advocate QUICK success, a fast profit to get off the ground and in the air.

      Anyhow, thanks for your contributions and it is fun watching you flying high.

      GordonJ


      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      You had me at; " for all ADD types" - LOL

      I sincerely appreciate the simplicity to wit; knowledge is shared freely within these threads.

      If there is ONE thing to be learned here on WF, it would be; "just get started, and take affirmative action(s)"

      Clearly, there are (and have been) multitudes of successful people here on the WF who've shared (in great detail) the means, mode, and mechanics needed to sustain and succeed in life...

      Some are hard-wired to make tons of money (online and offline), others are centered on personal growth, development, and seeking freedoms & to share their experience (*many who choose to do so freely), and other just seeking escape, direction, and a sense of accomplishment.

      The formula... "targeting...messaging...and transactions" (i.e., making sales) is the same across the boards.

      One thing that separates the wheat from the chaff - is those willing to invest the time, energy, and maybe a little bit of money... BUT, I think it's "THE WHY" GordonJ mentioned that differentiates the outcome or provides the reason, motive, and fuels the initial pursuit(s).

      Having a "flight plan is a great start... but, without landing gear, a destination in mind, or the ability to "touch down" wherever it is YOU wish to BE... or whatever it is YOU desire to BECOME...

      YOU need to know HOW to LAND... be it a pilot or even, a salesman/woman - having NO landing gear or the ability to land sales is equally important.

      Thus, flying is easy... it's the landing that'll kill you! (*I've been haunted by this philosophy for decades!!!)

      You see, humans complicate everything... I know; I have over the years.

      Over-thinking (and a side dish of ADD) can be leveraged...ONCE you gain some bearing on the WHY (or the REASON) YOU elect to pursue a dream, outcome, or specific result.

      This year... I am aiming higher, shooting straighter, and optimistic to travel farther FASTER... as the eBay journey has taught me a great deal about "automating sales" and as savidge4 stated; that 1st dollar is the hardest part.

      Once you've cleared the hurdle of making ONE sale... who is stopping you from making 100 sales, 1000 sales, or even 10's of 1,000's of sales???

      It's up to YOU... the formulas, blueprints, recipes, ingredients, knowledge, tools, and resources are ALWAYS AVAILABLE... If YOU choose to exercise YOUR RIGHT(S) to access all-in-which OTHERS have proven to work.

      The hard part... "following the instructions" of those who possess more knowledge, experience, and success DOING A,B,and C to produce X,Y, and Z.

      Despite having gained some bearing with eBay and now having cleared 155 sales...I still feel like I'm spending too much time on the 80% of things that really DO NOT produce the 20% that makes the phone... "Cha-ching!" - and nearlyeverytime that register rings, I'm grocery shopping, working on someone else's home, or even drinking a ice cold beer... it tickles my ribs... somebody is BUYING the THING that tickles their ribs, fills a void, and/or brings them a sense of worth, happiness, or accomplishment.

      Years ago... Terri would buy designer women's shoes at thrift stores, Goodwill, and the likes...

      I thought she was insane, and swore there was NO VALUE in buying/wearing other people's discarded junk.

      I am eating those words today... especially, after selling a pair of Air Jordan's for $373 and keeping $307 PROFIT! (*Wait a minute... that's over 1500% gains...) our highest yielding flip yet... it put my head in the clouds, and blows my mind!

      This year... I WILL either have the $50k working capital... or... in excess of $100k in inventory, full-well knowing; it's no longer a question of "IF" - But... "WHEN" we move that inventory... it's ON!!!

      And, all the years that slipped by, I knew the formulas... I just wasn't implementing the knowledge -and, it really doesn't matter if you sell books, reports, websites, SEO services, graphic design, Air Jordan's, vacuum cleaners, local or online services... it's ALL THE SAME PROCESS!

      I wonder if most struggle to TRUSTthe PROCESS... or... IF it is moreover an issue of TRUSTING IN ONESELF... That stalls people's personal growth and financial success? (Success being defined as They; Themselves deem worthy of their investments of time, energy, skill sets... and financial stability!)

      Most... (including myself) WANT financial stability... but, many like myself know the hangar, flight plan, and have the landing strip in sight... but, the obsess about; "Who built this plane I'm flying in?"

      Getting stuck in the minor details... is a blessing and a curse. I still think to NEED to KNOW every phase of the internet before I'll be satisfied...

      And, even still... those who start with the aforementioned MINDSET;

      Targeting your audience...
      Messaging & Marketing...
      (communication)
      Sales Transactions...

      R&R
      (Rinse & Repeat)

      So simple...

      Yet, most including myself... complicate those simple to follow instructions!!!! WHY???

      Trust YOURSELF this YEAR... and don't quit.

      I know my WHY...

      If my customers are HAPPY buying stuff that need, want, or desire...

      Then, I am HAPPY knowing by doing more of that... serving the demand, buyer, and others...

      I WILL BE HAPPIER...

      HA!- the phone just "cha-chined!"

      156 sales and gaining altitude.

      I guess if you are the pilot, you should have a landing plan, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Just for the record... ONE of the biggest struggles to date, has been remaining focused, consistent, and navigating through all the turbulence life throws at us.

    As you mentioned in 'other posts' - the minute someone redirects their focus (or starts investing their attention, time, and energy) into 'other' means or modes of making money, it often tends to DETRACT from the other.

    Ever since the home improvement jobs started picking up, I've been hard-pressed to keep CONSISTENT with our staging, listings, and building up our inventory in the store. BUT... I have been consistently "hunting new merchandise and items to sell" all the while.

    This NEW YEAR is coming fast... (as did the holidays) and that too has been a HUGE distraction; finding the time to balance the local clients, build our eBay store, and of course MAKE TIME for family, get togethers, the kids, and grandkids, etc... has been a bit overwhelming these past few weeks.

    I'm actually grateful that I only have (2) bids out for local clients right now, and both of those proposals are awaiting acceptance, and will not begin until after Christmas and the Holidays... (*as I predicted, as those types of jobs always 'slow down' during this time of year)... which will redirect my focus back to generating more sales via; eBay.

    There remains a consistent excitement and subtle fear in managing the time, utilizing the knowledge, and continuing to learn from our mistakes. Clearly, we're still 'practicing' - more than 'preaching' - as the seasons change, and we prepare to have a better grip on specific markets this coming year.

    And, with all due respect, I appreciate the knowledge you share, and the mindset of being "IN PROFIT" fast.... as it does create a sense of urgency to build momentum (and income) quickly, as so not to operate within a stressed financial mindset or "lack of" mindset - as many do, and I have experienced a few 1000X in my own pursuits.

    There certainly is NO LACK of opportunity available... only the time, consistency, and mindset to see it through - which will determine the success or failure of most ventures... it's easy to "fall back" to the old routines, but it is definitely harder to continue exploring "outside one's typical routines" and this year, I plan to be more focused (and efficient) with my time...

    That is still a work-in-progress, no doubt.

    I am hoping by mid-2023 to only need to work 4 hours per day, and spend the rest of that time doing what we/I truly desire to be doing... and intentionally turn those hobbies (like writing, fishing, traveling, shopping, LOL) into additional revenue streams as well.

    There's no shame in failing... as long as it doesn't paralyze the ability to get back up and move forward afterwards... and eBay is no exception to that rule, we (I personally could have already done a lot more with that journey if I wasn't spreading my time across 3 different ventures) - BUT... those (3) ventures will converge and compound once we get the TIME MANAGEMENT issues refined a little more!!!

    Definitely, an interesting pursuit... especially, when we land stuff for FREE (*or inexpensively) that holds value to others, and can earn while learning to be/become more efficient in "doing the work".
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      ONE of the biggest struggles to date, has been remaining focused, consistent, and navigating through all the turbulence life throws at us.

      This struggle, seems to be more of a WF universal struggle as much as anything.

      Your ship has sailed. As it has for most Warriors, be they guitar teachers, writers, ecom, those Warriors who have been here for a while, more than 3 years is my marker. Your course has been set, and hopefully you make the port you are aiming for, but if you have to change course, nothing wrong with that. MOST Warriors have done similar.

      And all of you get KUDOS for your actions.

      I try to catch the newbie, the beginner, and although I've failed with so many over the last two decades, it is my goal to reduce that STRUGGLE from the outset. I get it, and I am part of the crowd who wants to do things my way.

      So, I have ignored advice from others, had I taken at the time, would have expedited my journey and probably would have eliminated the struggles, most of which in retrospect, were SELF CREATED.

      It is just an opinion here, but I think the late teen early 20 year old will get to their goals 2 to 3 times faster than anyone 40+. Thirty somethings can go either direction.

      So a 21 year old can probably hit that 100k mark in a year or 18 months whereas most 40+ folk will take 4 to 5 times longer. Not necessarily due to family obligations, or bills to pay or any of that which comes with older age...but, mainly due to being fixed in their ways.

      Habits. Routines. Easier to break when younger. And of all the habits one accumulates, the hardest to overturn, or to turn away from is mindset. The neural paths are deep.

      So I appreciate the struggles older people have.

      There is a group, some that came out of the Dan Kennedy school of thought (If I don't take their money, they will give it to someone else), which has the idea of IT DOESN'T MATTER THE HOW.

      If it is money you want, then why not pick the fastest route, the tried and tested, proven thing?

      I don't subscribe to this particular idea, but it is one reason we see so many getting into supplements and private labels, cause, some Rich Jerk made millions in a year doing it.

      I prefer doing what you love, like, enjoy, or if just strictly about making money, then sure, the maximum amount within the minimum amount of time...and this is where the ASSESSMENT and analysis comes in at the beginning.

      Here at the WF, of course, we see different types than we might find at MJ DiMarco's FASTLANE forum, or at the Facebook group NHB (Nothing Held Back).

      Warriors, in general, .appear to struggle more than those in more focused groups.

      I just can't abide by anyone going years and years without reaching their IM goals, but we all have our own journeys to take, eh?

      These posts may be nothing more than echoes in the canyon, but if I don't at least shout out, I feel that some Warrior who may need to hear it, can't.

      GordonJ





      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Just for the record... ONE of the biggest struggles to date, has been remaining focused, consistent, and navigating through all the turbulence life throws at us.

      As you mentioned in 'other posts' - the minute someone redirects their focus (or starts investing their attention, time, and energy) into 'other' means or modes of making money, it often tends to DETRACT from the other.

      Ever since the home improvement jobs started picking up, I've been hard-pressed to keep CONSISTENT with our staging, listings, and building up our inventory in the store. BUT... I have been consistently "hunting new merchandise and items to sell" all the while.

      This NEW YEAR is coming fast... (as did the holidays) and that too has been a HUGE distraction; finding the time to balance the local clients, build our eBay store, and of course MAKE TIME for family, get togethers, the kids, and grandkids, etc... has been a bit overwhelming these past few weeks.

      I'm actually grateful that I only have (2) bids out for local clients right now, and both of those proposals are awaiting acceptance, and will not begin until after Christmas and the Holidays... (*as I predicted, as those types of jobs always 'slow down' during this time of year)... which will redirect my focus back to generating more sales via; eBay.

      There remains a consistent excitement and subtle fear in managing the time, utilizing the knowledge, and continuing to learn from our mistakes. Clearly, we're still 'practicing' - more than 'preaching' - as the seasons change, and we prepare to have a better grip on specific markets this coming year.

      And, with all due respect, I appreciate the knowledge you share, and the mindset of being "IN PROFIT" fast.... as it does create a sense of urgency to build momentum (and income) quickly, as so not to operate within a stressed financial mindset or "lack of" mindset - as many do, and I have experienced a few 1000X in my own pursuits.

      There certainly is NO LACK of opportunity available... only the time, consistency, and mindset to see it through - which will determine the success or failure of most ventures... it's easy to "fall back" to the old routines, but it is definitely harder to continue exploring "outside one's typical routines" and this year, I plan to be more focused (and efficient) with my time...

      That is still a work-in-progress, no doubt.

      I am hoping by mid-2023 to only need to work 4 hours per day, and spend the rest of that time doing what we/I truly desire to be doing... and intentionally turn those hobbies (like writing, fishing, traveling, shopping, LOL) into additional revenue streams as well.

      There's no shame in failing... as long as it doesn't paralyze the ability to get back up and move forward afterwards... and eBay is no exception to that rule, we (I personally could have already done a lot more with that journey if I wasn't spreading my time across 3 different ventures) - BUT... those (3) ventures will converge and compound once we get the TIME MANAGEMENT issues refined a little more!!!

      Definitely, an interesting pursuit... especially, when we land stuff for FREE (*or inexpensively) that holds value to others, and can earn while learning to be/become more efficient in "doing the work".
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    The main struggle on this forum over the years has been me learning to put my ideas into writing that people can understand. I'm not really interested in pure IM be that internet marketing or information selling products about making money online when I have never done that.

    But whatever I get into will require digital marketing or digital direct marketing with the ability to communicate in writing and be understood.

    You have great advice but if virtually every entrepreneur or anyone with success had a period of 3-10 years where they the ropes and hit their stride to build momentum. Can that really be shorted in any way that doesn't eventually get made up at possibly greater expense down the road.

    Seems almost all who make it quick and at a young lose it just as quick. And the people I have talked to who where around my age and had made a large amount of money and lost it for the most part are dead now some didn't make it to 40 others didn't get to 50.

    But the quality of the advice in this thread. Focusing on making a profit and growing that profit with the 4 things you point out. Is a great place for anyone to start and pretty much everyone should do that before they worry about anything else the mythic entrepreneur is supposed to be good at.

    You have any excellent way of pointing at the starting point and explaining here is the start and here is how to start and the basic things you need and reasonable expectations. When you give advice like you do in this post.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Your writing is 1000% better today, than it was just a few years back. You have some good insights and with the way you write today, it is easy for us to recognize your intelligence and well thought ideas. Much different from (my assuming), yelling into your phone for a post.

      Thanks for sharing and keep writing, if you have a passion for it.

      GordonJ


      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      The main struggle on this forum over the years has been me learning to put my ideas into writing that people can understand. I'm not really interested in pure IM be that internet marketing or information selling products about making money online when I have never done that.

      But whatever I get into will require digital marketing or digital direct marketing with the ability to communicate in writing and be understood.

      You have great advice but if virtually every entrepreneur or anyone with success had a period of 3-10 years where they the ropes and hit their stride to build momentum. Can that really be shorted in any way that doesn't eventually get made up at possibly greater expense down the road.

      Seems almost all who make it quick and at a young lose it just as quick. And the people I have talked to who where around my age and had made a large amount of money and lost it for the most part are dead now some didn't make it to 40 others didn't get to 50.

      But the quality of the advice in this thread. Focusing on making a profit and growing that profit with the 4 things you point out. Is a great place for anyone to start and pretty much everyone should do that before they worry about anything else the mythic entrepreneur is supposed to be good at.

      You have any excellent way of pointing at the starting point and explaining here is the start and here is how to start and the basic things you need and reasonable expectations. When you give advice like you do in this post.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    The "it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks" is an absolute truth, as you mention those habits, routines, and neural pathways run deep...

    And, you cannot go wrong aiming at teaching beginners... in nearly any business, trade, or talent...

    Much like training a toddler or a puppy, there is a stone cold truth to the fact, younger people stand a far greater chance of achieving success early in life, provided they ask the right questions and learn from the right people.

    I don't know, I know I've invested well in excess of 10,000 hours in a multitude of ventures... many to date, I've yet to truly exercise (or execute the knowledge) - and, I sincerely believe (like Odahh stated above) - if you've never applied the new skills (like IM or creating digital info products for example) - there is often a "lack of actual experience in DOING that thing... so, it becomes (impart) a "lack of confidence" perhaps.

    Meanwhile, if you read Gordon's free report from 2018 (*in his signature) it simplifies a process of utilizing both your passion(s) and your knowledge.

    One of the hiccups I find in fueling my passion for writing (and wanting to teach, guide, and help others) is I often examine the knowledge I have and because it is "old news" to me (familiar, if you will) that experience feels a bit "lackluster"...

    But, to the beginner... that knowledge could likely shave a decade or two off their pursuit. So, again it almost becomes a matter of confidence (or being confident enough) those efforts WILL BE HEARD (an appreciated) by those lost in those canyons.

    As many teachers and wise folk mention, it is the select few (*maybe 1-2%) who will explore, examine, and ultimately utilize the knowledge...

    In light of being "The Teacher" (*old Jethro Tull comes to mind) - the odds of successfully training someone creates a huge challenge... as statistics prove 98% WILL NOT follow the instruction manual..

    And, and although that 28-page report 'screams at me; Hey Art - you love writing - here's the blueprint I have used for 50+ years" - my ability to conceive success as a writer... still eludes me, as I have made a little money writing, but like a passionate golfer, cyclist, or personal passion in what one does for fun... turning that into a business, career, or even a job - induces a side-effect; "if I do it for a living will it lose it's therapeutic value?" - as I think it was savidge4 who mentioned; certain personal pasttimes or hobbies "are not" for sale...

    Again, habitual thinking perhaps... and, if I had a choice between writing for a living or replacing 200 lineal feet of facia and soffit on someone's house...

    Of course, writing would be the wiser of the two... yet, I have more confidence in home improvement gigs than I do creating digital info products...

    Those neural pathways, may be a huge clue as to the WHY the he'll am I not cranking out affiliate reviews, reports, and marketing the shopping mall's worth of offers available to make profit?

    Especially, if doing so could be the equivalence of "printing money on-demand?"

    I love the challenge, I suppose... and, never cared much for that word; suppose, as it implies; "I guess so"...LOL

    There's at least 4-5 phases to my "bigger ideas" - and until ONE seeds the next... I often think the time & money required are just "out-of-reach".

    But, I do feel "writing" will play a huge roll in my future... maybe it ought to be a bigger priority TODAY!

    THANK-YOU! - That 28-page report (in GordanJ's current signature) was well-written, and as always... I enjoyed the insights you've shared!
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Phew, ok a few gems in this, and some misconceptions.

    Sure you can plot plan and break it all down, but reality rarely likes confinement, or setting a date then getting pissed when it doesn't happen as planned.

    Also the "Rich know stuff that most people don't Know" rule which is the reason they are rich!

    Or you spend years stock market trading, doing Pay Per Click, internet marketing or whatever and lose all of your money in the process then give up.When you give up you are off the hook, can moan to all of your family at Christmas time and have a reason to go on a bender but not much else.

    The Rich analyze all of their data, ask "why" and not "why me" form a new game plan and keep going. And they push through their emotional barriers and any other barriers including the "Never Happen one".

    This isn't a time sensitive project, more of a motivational one. Or as Matthew Guy in The Martian movie said,"you just start, do one thing and then another".

    I can sympathize with the formula approach but don't really believe in it. Or it is more of a case in staying with one thing until you succeed!
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      The RICH.

      Bernie Madoff catered to the rich. Educated, intelligent wealthy people, whom he took to the cleaners for BILLIONS of their hard earned dollars. They ANALYZED ROI, and BM had the highest passive income available. So, maybe some rich know stuff we don't, but I doubt they have any secrets (other than insider info) unavailable to the motivated Entrepreneur.

      A plan is not confinement. A plane flies around the storms if possible. I don't know of anyone getting pissed about having to adjust their plan. Success knows that going into anything, there are seldom straight lines.

      I think the reason for so much Warrior failure is, they DON'T make it a time sensitive project, when maybe they should. ALL of the LOA crowd, especially the TAGR (Napoleon Hill) gang use his formula...TIME to goal.

      Staying with the wrong one thing is the reason why we see Warriors having to spend the extra YEARS trying to get to it. So, as to repeat....much of this is eliminated with a well thought out Plan Of Action, based upon realistic assessment, motivation and solving problems in the direction of the goal.

      GordonJ

      PS I know there are affluent folk at Country Clubs, Yacht Clubs, etc., but it is hard for me to identify a group of people, THE RICH, and believe they have a hive mentality...that is hard to believe.

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Phew, ok a few gems in this, and some misconceptions.
      Sure you can plot plan and break it all down, but reality rarely likes confinement, or setting a date then getting pissed when it doesn't happen as planned.
      Also the "Rich know stuff that most people don't Know" rule which is the reason they are rich!
      Or you spend years stock market trading, doing Pay Per Click, internet marketing or whatever and lose all of your money in the process then give up.When you give up you are off the hook, can moan to all of your family at Christmas time and have a reason to go on a bender but not much else.
      The Rich analyze all of their data, ask "why" and not "why me" form a new game plan and keep going. And they push through their emotional barriers and any other barriers including the "Never Happen one".
      This isn't a time sensitive project, more of a motivational one. Or as Matthew Guy in The Martian movie said,"you just start, do one thing and then another".
      I can sympathize with the formula approach but don't really believe in it. Or it is more of a case in staying with one thing until you succeed!
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Art

    To get off track a little and focus on passion for a second. You love to write probably because you have a large number of of things bouncing around in your head and writing is the way you get it out and maintain some sanity. You probably enjoy fishing and making money doing that for another reason a different type of passion. Then when it comes to your construction type work there is another type of passion that drives you to do a great job in an efficient manner.

    All passion but they tickle different parts of the pleasure centers. And you probably need different ways to express your passion. So if you did write all the time you would miss something .

    But this can easily be applied to everyone who isn't a highly trained specialist. Or anyone with any type of ADD not specifically you just using examples from what you have mentioned.

    Savage and Gordon have sets of passions they follow that are in areas where there is a lot of money to be made not everyone has that.

    If you are not heavily invested in on area that requires high start up costs and pricey infrastructure. You can build your day doing different things you are passionate about through the day . Built around your passion your personality.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Yup. I think "Passion" ― and a Person being Passionate about why they're creating/achieving/accomplishing ― makes a massive difference: They are far more likely to stay with their Venture ― and keep taking action ― until they start seeing results (IMO).

      I started several projects in the past however never stayed with them because I was just doing it for the money.

      P.S.
      Something else I think makes a difference is a Person's "Reason Why." Sometimes it can simply be creating an income, however usually it's more "significant" than that.

      [Edit=] I just realized I've probably repeated something I've said before. My apologies: I'll leave it for People that haven't read it though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        Yup. I think "Passion" ― and a Person being Passionate about why they're creating/achieving/accomplishing ― makes a massive difference: They are far more likely to stay with their Venture ― and keep taking action ― until they start seeing results (IMO).

        I started several projects in the past however never stayed with them because I was just doing it for the money.

        P.S.
        Something else I think makes a difference is a Person's "Reason Why." Sometimes it can simply be creating an income, however usually it's more "significant" than that.

        [Edit=] I just realized I've probably repeated something I've said before. My apologies: I'll leave it for People that haven't read it though.
        Another thread another day how the passionate lose to the obsessed.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          Another thread another day how the passionate lose to the obsessed.
          Not 100% sure what you mean Odahh. Explain?
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          Several Entrepreneurs/Business People etc. (Including W. Clement Stone) ... Have said to create and live out: "A Magnificent Obsession."
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Not 100% sure what you mean Odahh. Explain?
            [Added=]

            Several Entrepreneurs/Business People etc. (Including W. Clement Stone) ... Have said to create and live out: "A Magnificent Obsession."
            Okay then he probably explains it better than I ever could.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          Another thread another day how the passionate lose to the obsessed.
          Just to add: Even a small amount of "passion" (etc.) can be the beginning of something great and worthwhile. : )
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Just to add: Even a small amount of "passion" (etc.) can be the beginning of something great and worthwhile. : )
            As much as I want to have this discussion it needs its own thread and I am unable to start it right now .
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              As much as I want to have this discussion it needs its own thread and I am unable to start it right now .
              Sometimes conversations "evolve" ― personally I don't see anything wrong with that. That said, it is GordonJ's thread. My point was simply that sometimes that greatest Projects start with a little bit of belief and passion .. And kind of build momentum ― and keep evolving and progressing.
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                I'm in.

                I made the point I wanted to when I started the thread.

                So, lets see where this takes us. I just would like a clear definition to have a base line...so maybe set the difference between a passion and an obsession.

                I can relate (maybe?) in my life with Golf, which I had a passion for for decades. Then when it became the eat my lunch business where moolah flowed like a spilled milk can at a dairy...I might have flipped to obsession about the biz, the making money...

                And although that did happen, maybe the obsession killed the passion? I don't know, but I'm certainly willing and interested enough to get other opinions.

                I would like to know how the obsessed win over the passionate?

                So, lets go down that gopher hole and I'll be the Bill Murray groundskeeper and keep the dynamite handy, in case we need to blow the thread up, OK?

                GordonJ

                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                Sometimes conversations "evolve" ― personally I don't see anything wrong with that. That said, it is GordonJ's thread. My point was simply that sometimes that greatest Projects start with a little bit of belief and passion .. And kind of build momentum ― and keep evolving and progressing.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                  Hey Gordon.

                  According to https://dictionary.cambridge.org/ "Obsession" is defined as: "The control of one's thoughts by a continuous, powerful idea or feeling, or the idea or feeling itself:"

                  "Passion" as: [From Britannica.com] "A strong feeling of enthusiasm or excitement for something or about doing something."

                  Personally I don't think these definitions have to be mutually exclusive. A Person/Marketer/Entrepreneur can experience elements from both.
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                  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    Hey Gordon.
                    According to https://dictionary.cambridge.org/ "Obsession" is defined as: "The control of one's thoughts by a continuous, powerful idea or feeling, or the idea or feeling itself:"
                    "Passion" as: [From Britannica.com] "A strong feeling of enthusiasm or excitement for something or about doing something."
                    Personally I don't think these definitions have to be mutually exclusive. A Person/Marketer/Entrepreneur can experience elements from both.
                    We can work with these definitions, and I'll add: from the CAMBRIDGE dictionary: A passion for something, an extreme interest in or wish for doing something.

                    Obsession: something or someone you think about ALL THE TIME.

                    Now we can go from here, and what many psychologists and researchers assert, there is a thin line between the two and when one crosses it and stays in obsession, it becomes pathological.

                    A passion has temporal releases of dopamine and serotonin the so-called feel good neurotransmitters, whereas the obsession is always ON, too much of a good thing leads to a bad thing. In very layman terms and all.

                    I'll wait for Odahh to get charged up and have the time to give us his reasoning for the idea, the obsessed beats the passionate.

                    A thin line, some convergence, overlapping and maybe just syntax splitting of hairs...but it will make for a good discussion, I think.

                    Thanks for those definitions, useful and baseline.

                    Now to generate some obsession over this very limited interest thread (in the scheme of Warrior forums in general).

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                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                      Thanks for the reply GordonJ.

                      Personally I don't think think that having an "Obsession" is necessarily a bad thing (See "A Magnificent Obsession" point above) ... However I do agree that it definitely could be ― like you said if they're thinking about something all the time/too much (etc.)

                      P.S.
                      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                      We can work with these definitions, and I'll add: from the CAMBRIDGE dictionary: A passion for something, an extreme interest in or wish for doing something.
                      Again ― I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that. It's when it becomes too much of an extreme where it could be a problem.

                      [Edit=] Sorry I think I misunderstood your definition GordonJ: I thought you were referring to "Obsession"?

                      (QUOTE=) "I have a magnificent obsession. All I want to do it change the world ― make it a better place for this and future generations."―W. Clement Stone
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    • Profile picture of the author art72
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Art

      To get off track a little and focus on passion for a second. You love to write probably because you have a large number of of things bouncing around in your head and writing is the way you get it out and maintain some sanity. You probably enjoy fishing and making money doing that for another reason a different type of passion. Then when it comes to your construction type work there is another type of passion that drives you to do a great job in an efficient manner.

      All passion but they tickle different parts of the pleasure centers. And you probably need different ways to express your passion. So if you did write all the time you would miss something .

      But this can easily be applied to everyone who isn't a highly trained specialist. Or anyone with any type of ADD not specifically you just using examples from what you have mentioned.

      Savage and Gordon have sets of passions they follow that are in areas where there is a lot of money to be made not everyone has that.

      If you are not heavily invested in on area that requires high start up costs and pricey infrastructure. You can build your day doing different things you are passionate about through the day . Built around your passion your personality.
      I'm of the belief "obsession & passion" do tend to converge and the longer someone does a certain job, hones in on a skill set, or stays consistent - there is a fine line between being "obsessed" and feeding strictly off one's "passion(s)".

      I had a passion and an obsession when I was building swimming pools, no doubt... but, I think the "learning of the skills" and "getting paid" to do that type of work was impart a motivator then too... so, I think many people get "used to doing something" almost habitually, and as a recourse to boredom, dislike, or maybe even reaching "burnout" they tell themselves they still enjoy the work, are passionate about it, or maybe to a degree obsessed with hitting new goals or financial milestones as a profession of sorts... that drove me to keep going for years, similar to eBay now... but eBay is far easier than that type of work...

      I actually did enjoy the last few jobs, working again, and remodeling... there's a sense of accomplishment, when the job is done... with the exception of ONE customer who didn't want to pay for the extras, and took wayyyy longer to complete the project.

      Yeah, I think you raise a valid point, having a variety of passions does feed different areas of BEING... doing the same thing to the point of say "staring at the clock" hoping the day will just be over, was never an environment I could sustain in very long.

      And, if I were to focus on writing as a primary source of income, I do feel it would lose some of the appeal (and therapeutic value) - but, it can't be any worse than some of the jobs I've had in the past, LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    And sometimes a phone charging cable just stops working and it might take a few days or more to get a new one .

    Passion is great at the start . And this thread is about great points to start.

    Well adding to what Gordon just said while I can. I don't see most obsession as a negative things they all get lumped into bad. But anyone I meet who puts out high quality work or is far more productive than most has some amount of obsession that drives them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I think many people get "used to doing something" almost habitually, and as a recourse to boredom, dislike, or maybe even reaching "burnout" they tell themselves they still enjoy the work
    They get 'used to doing something' because it supports them and/or a family....telling themselves they enjoy what they do...or finding things they DO enjoy about the work is preferable to complaining every day.I think you know as well as I do - sometimes the 'passion' is for having reliable shelter and food so you enjoy the work for what it PROVIDES for you in real life. It is a true privilege to reach a time in life when you can focus on your passions....or interests.

    What I like about this thread is it's practical - it's not pie-in-the-sky - it's doable and focused. Settling reasonable timelines helps avoid procrastination.
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    obsession and passion... hmmm

    Obsessions are short term, Passions are a life time

    I could say that I am passionate about programming in general... to the point that it is an obsession... it runs my life, and I would say under my own personal circumstance I break the rule I wrote above.

    What I have done in my life is take the skill set of programming and its very very very linear process and translated that to other skills. Programming has given me the ability to see out a scenario from front to back and back to front - Where I am and where I need to go, and where I want to go, and the steps needed to get there from where I am at.

    The minute i let loose in front of a computer and start coding... time all but stops... the world fades away, and the matrix sets in ( think a shower of green 0's and 1's ) OBSESSED with the process, and I cant stop until what it is I am doing is done

    At some point I realized it was the PROCESS im passionate about... and I started applying the exact same process to anything and everything, and no, it doesnt work every time, but it works dang near most of the time. I can see the flaws in a concept or idea before I even think of starting. But it isnt days weeks or months... its usually minutes - Drives my wife crazy... I get "that look" when something isnt going to work, and to please her we do it anyway.... SHE KNOWS - hahaha and we do it anyway - so funny.

    I would say Passions will over ride obsessions... binge watching a program series on Netflix is an obsession... and it would literally take a passion to break you from that.. or a nagging spouse / girlfriend / kids / parents - BUT there is a differnt feeling... being pulled away from binge watching and not wanting to you feel bumed out... To go play Xbox with your friends or go fishing or whatever it is and you fell good about it - Obsessions are short term, Passions are a life time.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    [quote=GordonJ;11737844]The RICH.

    Bernie Madoff catered to the rich. Educated, intelligent wealthy people, whom he took to the cleaners for BILLIONS of their hard earned dollars. They ANALYZED ROI, and BM had the highest passive income available. So, maybe some rich know stuff we don't, but I doubt they have any secrets (other than insider info) unavailable to the motivated Entrepreneur.
    Secrets no, the rich know that the best way to hide something is to have it in plain view and rely on mass misconceptions, well established paragrims and distractions to cover for them.

    A plan is not confinement. A plane flies around the storms if possible. I don't know of anyone getting pissed about having to adjust their plan. Success knows that going into anything, there are seldom straight lines.
    No but a plane is predictable in how long it will take and when it lands. Doing something with several unknowns is the killer.

    When you are losing money, nothing you do works and the question marks are piling up you can't put a clock on that. Sure l tried PPC, and after 8 months ditched it, (mainly because it was very expensive to test, and appeared to have limits. Same with software development and so forth.

    Sure some succeed with PPC, since they refuse to give up and some other successful guy either gives then a hint or they figure out an new angle that most wouldn't contemplate.

    I think the reason for so much Warrior failure is, they DON'T make it a time sensitive project, when maybe they should. ALL of the LOA crowd, especially the TAGR (Napoleon Hill) gang use his formula...TIME to goal.

    Staying with the wrong one thing is the reason why we see Warriors having to spend the extra YEARS trying to get to it. So, as to repeat....much of this is eliminated with a well thought out Plan Of Action, based upon realistic assessment, motivation and solving problems in the direction of the goal.
    Staying with the wrong thing and when to kill a project is the question and a personal one for most. A clock may help, but it depends on a lot of factors.

    I started stock market trading 5 years ago, with no other better options left to try so l had to make it work. I lost about $500 initially then made a lot and lost a lot and learned from it all, now l am making it back with systems techniques and advantages most don't use or are aware of.

    I believe that l am a professional trader now and can scale this, and sure l still have losses and even screw up, but overall l am way more ahead than behind.

    But this as possibly some internet marketing fields may not be suited for everyone.

    I know of someone who to make a long story short started out with 13k years ago and is now broke. So an individual needs to soul search and decide.

    I can relate (maybe?) in my life with Golf, which I had a passion for for decades. Then when it became the eat my lunch business where moolah flowed like a spilled milk can at a dairy...I might have flipped to obsession about the biz, the making money...

    And although that did happen, maybe the obsession killed the passion? I don't know, but I'm certainly willing and interested enough to get other opinions.

    I would like to know how the obsessed win over the passionate?

    So, lets go down that gopher hole and I'll be the Bill Murray groundskeeper and keep the dynamite handy, in case we need to blow the thread up, OK?
    I found this recently which l believe covers this question.

    https://newtube.app/user/yabba/fzoEVJE
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      First, THANKS for the Huberman link, I'm a big fan of his and of all neuro research, especially when we can apply and use in our lives what we learn from the lab rats.

      My twisted paraphrase of Hubie is: don't escape the rat race, win it by competing.

      His way: "The pursuit is the reward."

      And one would find that many Warriors have been telling us this over the years, often in the form of follow your passion, or do what you love, and maybe this is where the obsession vs. passion play comes in.

      The Huberman Lab gives us the idea, that the task, the journey, the effort...gives us the continuous motivation via rewards along the way. In climbing a mountain, one rests and is able to look out and see how much progress is being made, the view becomes greater and spurs us on to a new height.

      This would be akin to the 30 days of the OP, where we check to see how we are doing, what progress has been made.

      I disagree with your "conspiracy" parts of your post...as to what THE RICH do or don't do as far as mass misconceptions, which may hold truth in groups of like minded folk, but knowing a lot of wealthy and affluent people, I'd say, as a group they don't agree on almost anything, other than holding onto their wealth. Again, the rich do not move as a herd or a hive.

      And you press my point. Which is WHY would you do something with several UNKNOWNS as a beginner?

      So, I would question the WHY did you choose PPC back then? What gave you the idea that you could do it, why it fit in with your goals, and your abilities, and what was your PLAN OF ACTION on the PPC timeline?

      My point, maybe in its entirety is, CHOOSE what fits. There is absolutely NO reason to choose a process which has several UNKNOWNS, that just doesn't make sense, does it?

      You say, Staying with the wrong thing and when to kill a project is the question and a personal one for most. A clock may help, but it depends on a lot of factors.

      I strongly disagree. IF the time is taken to set things up, there is an automatic project killer built in, there isn't anything personal about it, other than stubbornness, habit or a poor choice to begin with. Warriors like yourself, are the very examples a beginner should see here, and they get tons of IT TAKES TIME.

      Along with: you have to try different things to find out what you like. All of that. And for you and maybe thousands of other Warriors it may have been true, but the whole idea is to learn from the mistakes of others, and if one begins with maybe, a passion or an obsession for making money, they spend the time up front PLANNING and knowing the journey is going to provide the motivation (release of dopamine) to keep going.

      Do the soul searching up front, at the start, and one doesn't need to go 5 years into their IM before they find their thing. Start with the thing.

      Thanks for that link, he's excellent as a researcher.

      GordonJ




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      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      The RICH.
      Secrets no, the rich know that the best way to hide something is to have it in plain view and rely on mass misconceptions, well established paragrims and distractions to cover for them.
      No but a plane is predictable in how long it will take and when it lands. Doing something with several unknowns is the killer.
      When you are losing money, nothing you do works and the question marks are piling up you can't put a clock on that. Sure l tried PPC, and after 8 months ditched it, (mainly because it was very expensive to test, and appeared to have limits. Same with software development and so forth.
      Sure some succeed with PPC, since they refuse to give up and some other successful guy either gives then a hint or they figure out an new angle that most wouldn't contemplate.
      Staying with the wrong thing and when to kill a project is the question and a personal one for most. A clock may help, but it depends on a lot of factors.
      I started stock market trading 5 years ago, with no other better options left to try so l had to make it work. I lost about $500 initially then made a lot and lost a lot and learned from it all, now l am making it back with systems techniques and advantages most don't use or are aware of.
      I believe that l am a professional trader now and can scale this, and sure l still have losses and even screw up, but overall l am way more ahead than behind.
      But this as possibly some internet marketing fields may not be suited for everyone.
      I know of someone who to make a long story short started out with 13k years ago and is now broke. So an individual needs to soul search and decide.
      I found this recently which l believe covers this question.
      https://newtube.app/user/yabba/fzoEVJE
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        And one would find that many Warriors have been telling us this over the years, often in the form of follow your passion, or do what you love, and maybe this is where the obsession vs. passion play comes in.

        The Huberman Lab gives us the idea, that the task, the journey, the effort...gives us the continuous motivation via rewards along the way. In climbing a mountain, one rests and is able to look out and see how much progress is being made, the view becomes greater and spurs us on to a new height.
        Yeah, do what you love and the money will follow, agreed l don't believe in that either. You do what you like first, make the bucks then do the love one.

        This would be akin to the 30 days of the OP, where we check to see how we are doing, what progress has been made.

        I disagree with your "conspiracy" parts of your post...as to what THE RICH do or don't do as far as mass misconceptions, which may hold truth in groups of like minded folk, but knowing a lot of wealthy and affluent people, I'd say, as a group they don't agree on almost anything, other than holding onto their wealth. Again, the rich do not move as a herd or a hive.
        Not really a conspiracy but they know things that the masses don't.

        And you press my point. Which is WHY would you do something with several UNKNOWNS as a beginner?

        So, I would question the WHY did you choose PPC back then? What gave you the idea that you could do it, why it fit in with your goals, and your abilities, and what was your PLAN OF ACTION on the PPC timeline?

        My point, maybe in its entirety is, CHOOSE what fits. There is absolutely NO reason to choose a process which has several UNKNOWNS, that just doesn't make sense, does it?
        I did join a PPC course with several very successful people sharing what they did, so it shouldn't have had any unknowns. But they dragged out the videos, to increase membership profits and didn't show step by step how to launch a successful campaign until most members had left, and that campaign failed.

        I left shortly after that and realizing that it was very expensive to test. And Amit Meta didn't show us how he was making the bulk of his wealth, since the rich will strangle the golden goose if they did.


        You say, Staying with the wrong thing and when to kill a project is the question and a personal one for most. A clock may help, but it depends on a lot of factors.

        I strongly disagree. IF the time is taken to set things up, there is an automatic project killer built in, there isn't anything personal about it, other than stubbornness, habit or a poor choice to begin with. Warriors like yourself, are the very examples a beginner should see here, and they get tons of IT TAKES TIME.
        Thanks.

        Along with: you have to try different things to find out what you like. All of that. And for you and maybe thousands of other Warriors it may have been true, but the whole idea is to learn from the mistakes of others, and if one begins with maybe, a passion or an obsession for making money, they spend the time up front PLANNING and knowing the journey is going to provide the motivation (release of dopamine) to keep going.

        Do the soul searching up front, at the start, and one doesn't need to go 5 years into their IM before they find their thing. Start with the thing.

        Thanks for that link, he's excellent as a researcher.

        GordonJ
        I have read books on the subject, but probably my greatest breakthroughs came from research and development and just being open to new ideas, (you try to kid yourself on the stockmarket you will lose everything).
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    To clarify the obsession part. While there are negative aspects or negative behavior aspect when you get into pathological obsession or part of the obsession savage mentioned where someone will binge watch several seasons of a show on Netflix or whatever streaming service. Or when they get a new video game spend a hundred hours playing in a few weeks until they beat a game .

    The obsession I mean is like a Tom Brady and what he has had to do to stay healthy and competitive into his 40 even destroying his marriage possibly.

    Sustained performance requires a certain amount of obsession that seems extreme to many others. Beyond simply good habits an extreme level of dedication and focus that last even far past the point all reasonable and most unreasonable goals have been achieved.

    Yeah yeah those rare types with such obsession refer to it like it's just passion. Was Steve Jobs just passionate or was he pretty much obsessed . Where he was the most famous of the follow your passion speeches.

    Most people passion have no market value to them and they need to earn money to pay for the things that make them passionate part of the time.

    But if it's something they can make money from and still enjoy doing every day 8 or more hours a day they might want to pick one of there passions that can become a bit of an obsession. Or they can split their time between different passion projects.

    Either on is better than the current normal that many are trying to get away from. And obsession might be the place to start to focus on developing the need skills and acquisition of verity of experience in the direction of a more preferred life.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Thanks Odahh,

      Certainly, in the highest levels of what we might call Success, we see a lot of obsession, and probably mixed in and hard to separate from passion.

      I can't argue with that, but I disagree with this:

      Most people passion have no market value to them and they need to earn money to pay for the things that make them passionate part of the time.

      The market value is in sharing with others, or documenting the journey, or to give knowledge and experience to others. And this need NOT take up a lot of time, nor require a lot of learning. Blogs got started for this reason, to share our selves with others.

      Here at the WF, I try to keep the context of the million plus Warriors who come here, ostensibly to learn (or share) how to make money with IM. At other groups, forums, or markets, the context might be different.

      When I started this thread, I wanted to offer some practical, useful, advice on how to go about having a plan. It is only one way to set up a plan, and my war with Warriors has always been their TIME to goal, again, assuming goal one of Warriors is to make money with IM, or to share the HOW to do it.

      When you stated; "how the passionate LOSE to the obsessed" (emphasis mine)...it piqued my interest. I see where you are going, and also see how this may play out at the upper levels, ala S. Jobs, B. Gates, etc., etc.

      I don't see making money with IM to require either; might be a better idea to start with a passion...and share your passion or journey, but certainly the exchange of value does NOT have any of that emotion attached to it.

      See, I haven't changed my tune in the last 20 years. When someone wants to make money with Internet Marketing, and then comes here or any place else looking for some how to information, they usually don't get it. A lot of sales pitches for sure, but as we can clearly see from the main forum, a LOT of confusion, looking for the BEST thing for them to do, or asking which is better THIS or THAT?

      And we know there isn't one. Making money does not require passion, obsession, just activities of exchange and rather than looking for that exchange, I ALWAYS ask what did you bring with you?

      What do you have to give or share? So far, have never seen a Warrior with nothing to offer.

      So, after asking about BEST, or which one, or the really odd: What should I do? As if complete strangers can actually answer that...then the next thing is MINDSET, one must have a given, a certain, this mindset or the other.

      Again and again, I argue that it just isn't true, the ONLY thing a newbie needs to bring with them to the WF and IM is the desire to make money. The HOW is here, in all its forms, shapes and with a 20+ year history of the HOW.

      Now, if they bring passion, that is a benefit, a good thing, if they bring obsession, that could be either a good or a bad thing.

      The GOAL, PLAN OF ACTION, begin, adjust and continue has met with so much resistance, so much scoffing and that mostly being anecdotal from Warriors who did spend 5+ years of trial and error and starts and stops.

      I can't tell anyone what they should do, but I can state with the WF itself offering all the proof one needs...it could take years and years of struggle BUT,
      it doesn't have to.

      Passion and obsession could be useful, but NOT required.

      GordonJ


      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      To clarify the obsession part. While there are negative aspects or negative behavior aspect when you get into pathological obsession or part of the obsession savage mentioned where someone will binge watch several seasons of a show on Netflix or whatever streaming service. Or when they get a new video game spend a hundred hours playing in a few weeks until they beat a game .

      The obsession I mean is like a Tom Brady and what he has had to do to stay healthy and competitive into his 40 even destroying his marriage possibly.

      Sustained performance requires a certain amount of obsession that seems extreme to many others. Beyond simply good habits an extreme level of dedication and focus that last even far past the point all reasonable and most unreasonable goals have been achieved.

      Yeah yeah those rare types with such obsession refer to it like it's just passion. Was Steve Jobs just passionate or was he pretty much obsessed . Where he was the most famous of the follow your passion speeches.

      Most people passion have no market value to them and they need to earn money to pay for the things that make them passionate part of the time.

      But if it's something they can make money from and still enjoy doing every day 8 or more hours a day they might want to pick one of there passions that can become a bit of an obsession. Or they can split their time between different passion projects.

      Either on is better than the current normal that many are trying to get away from. And obsession might be the place to start to focus on developing the need skills and acquisition of verity of experience in the direction of a more preferred life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Honestly I agree.

    Starting out for someone who is earring around the median individual income in the USA or less than that. One does need need passion or obsession. From the start they need reasonable expectations and too focus on a few areas too learn. With a reasonable income goal or profit goal that is a fraction of their current income.

    Digital marketing allows for rapid growth and zero to 5 k profit is pretty rapid.

    Too many get lost in the marketing message trying to automate or create passive income or multiple streams of income. Then there is the myth of the entrepreneur with all these skills great entrepreneurs are supposed to have. But savage has been building those skills for many decades.

    Jobs and gates both where hustling and learning business before they started the companies they are famous for and apple was only started to make a few thousand dollars selling kit computers.

    It all depends how much ambition people actually have after they get started and build some momentum in the form of growing profit.

    Many successful people who didn't initially follow their passion but had to find a way to make money found a way to create passion in that area.

    But the hardest shift is learning to go from earning a wage to earning profit. And not eating the profit before it grows.

    So your advice to start making profits even if it under 100 dollars in a month or two is perfect for a place to start .
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      If being a millionaire is the goal for the new Warrior, they are in the wrong place to get started. Forums like MJ DiMarco's FASTLANE or Facebook groups like Alen Sultanic's NOTHING HELD BACK is a better place for them to start. Not Warriors.

      It all depends how much ambition people actually have after they get started and build some momentum in the form of growing profit.

      Growing profit. BINGO. If they do want to become a fast millionaire, they will quickly find out it takes money, the testing at NHB often runs into the tens of thousands of dollars.

      Just trying to keep it context relevant to where we are.

      Make a fast profit, assess, evaluate, and continue on. Build the profit into more working capital, where the money begins to make the money. Thanks.

      GordonJ



      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Honestly I agree.

      Starting out for someone who is earring around the median individual income in the USA or less than that. One does need need passion or obsession. From the start they need reasonable expectations and too focus on a few areas too learn. With a reasonable income goal or profit goal that is a fraction of their current income.

      Digital marketing allows for rapid growth and zero to 5 k profit is pretty rapid.

      Too many get lost in the marketing message trying to automate or create passive income or multiple streams of income. Then there is the myth of the entrepreneur with all these skills great entrepreneurs are supposed to have. But savage has been building those skills for many decades.

      Jobs and gates both where hustling and learning business before they started the companies they are famous for and apple was only started to make a few thousand dollars selling kit computers.

      It all depends how much ambition people actually have after they get started and build some momentum in the form of growing profit.

      Many successful people who didn't initially follow their passion but had to find a way to make money found a way to create passion in that area.

      But the hardest shift is learning to go from earning a wage to earning profit. And not eating the profit before it grows.

      So your advice to start making profits even if it under 100 dollars in a month or two is perfect for a place to start .
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        If being a millionaire is the goal for the new Warrior, they are in the wrong place to get started. Forums like MJ DiMarco's FASTLANE or Facebook groups like Alen Sultanic's
        What's wrong with a Person wanting to be a Millionaire?
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          What's wrong with a Person wanting to be a Millionaire?
          Nothing depends on where someone currently is and how long they expect it too take to get to that point. Plus the fastest way there from starting out is selling high priced high margin goods to affluent/ richer consumers . In the current period as globalization collapses
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            Nothing depends on where someone currently is and how long they expect it too take to get to that point. Plus the fastest way there from starting out is selling high priced high margin goods to affluent/ richer consumers . In the current period as globalization collapses
            Thanks Odahh. Actually there are (almost) countless ways for People to make all that money. (IMO)
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Thanks Odahh. Actually there are (almost) countless ways for People to make all that money. (IMO)
              Pretty much all of them take time and learning to grow profits . Especially starting from zero or a job earning under 50,000 usd a year. The vast majority of of millionaires built it up over decades through assets accumulation and appreciation. Where much of the wealth in the world is in real estate.

              Limit consumer debt. Live frugally. And if someone does have a few expensive tastes that is a good thing to build a business around
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          What's wrong with a Person wanting to be a Millionaire?
          Nothing wrong.

          Warrior Forum is the wrong place to start that journey. If you think otherwise, post why you think it is.

          As for IM, some of the first online www Internet Marketers started here, John Reese had the first million dollar day (allegedly) with those first 2k launches. Today, guys like Alen Sultanic are teaching others how to do it, but the offer needs eyeballs (advertising), which gets expensive.

          Some of the fastest IM millionaires did it by building and then selling off a successful business. They made profits while building it up.
          .
          I stand by the idea of the WF being the wrong place for those who want to be a millionaire as a starting point, if you disagree, tell us why?

          GordonJ

          P.S. As a metric, mostly Western (until recently), a ruler, a measurement of financial 'success'. If a millionaire is the foot, then a billionaire might be the yardstick, and to those with first down distance, 10 yards, those MULTI billionaires are really swinging the lumber around, being a millionaire puts you at the bottom of that rung of the ladder. Absolutely nothing wrong with anyone wanting to be a millionaire, but even then, there is net worth, assets, debt and what not.

          I know millionaires who are cash poor. Lifestyle plays a part, some prefer to drive a used Jeep fully owned, than to be seen tooling around town in the leased Lambo. Status from external perspectives is always going to be short of whatever idea one has of what a millionaire should look like.

          There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be one, and as far as that goes, the 30, 30, 10, 100 OP will work too. Beginning with the assessment, formulating a plan, getting proof of concept, all the steps in the processes.

          And for the record, I never stated there was anything wrong with wanting that, I clearly stated, I thought the Warrior Forum was the wrong place to begin that journey.
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          What's wrong with a Person wanting to be a Millionaire?

          There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a millionaire... But there is something wrong if you are coming here ( no offense to the WF, it is what it is ) to do it.

          There is a whole lot to be said for the company that you keep - meaning if you want to become a millionaire, you need to surround yourself with millionaires.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a millionaire... But there is something wrong if you are coming here ( no offense to the WF, it is what it is ) to do it.

            There is a whole lot to be said for the company that you keep - meaning if you want to become a millionaire, you need to surround yourself with millionaires.
            With internet marketing the fastest path to making millions from zero income zero experience is probably focusing on affiliate marketing for products above a hundred dollars. And getting to the point where you are among those promoting a product before launch to your list or subscribers.

            There is a lot of noise now originally I'm or the I'm I was exposed to even before coming to warrior forum. Was mainly about different ways to build lists of buyers who would buy from you many times. ( uh oh that trip down memory lane pre 2003 sometime. Before so much in my life went messy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

    What's wrong with a Person wanting to be a Millionaire?
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    Nothing wrong.
    Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

    There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a millionaire...
    "Wrong" might be a little strong, but I see a potential problem with this thought. And it goes back to the point raised earlier: "know thyself".

    We learn what to value by imitating our peers. Most of our thoughts start off as someone else's opinions - and often stay that way. That's natural for social creatures like us.

    Wanting to be a millionaire sounds like an example of borrowed thinking. A millionaire could have a million in the bank or tucked away under the mattress. Equally, a millionaire could be weighed down with property, liabilities and duties that require constant financial and emotional upkeep.

    When people use the term millionaire, do they envision some kind of lifestyle? And is that vision actually theirs or is it someone else's? In other words, is it a borrowed vision?

    I'd suggest what they really mean is they want to be financially independent or secure. Understanding this might well impact on what needs to be done to achieve it. If you start with an idea of the sort of lifestyle you actually want - without comparing it to your perception of how others live - you can look for realistic ways of financing it.

    Maybe you'll decide you really do need a million. Or maybe all you need is a shift of perspective.
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      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      "Wrong" might be a little strong, but I see a potential problem with this thought. And it goes back to the point raised earlier in the thread "know thyself".

      We learn what to value by imitating our peers. Most of our thoughts start off as someone else's opinions - and often stay that way. That's natural for social creatures like us.

      Wanting to be a millionaire sounds like an example of borrowed thinking. A millionaire could have a million in the bank or tucked away under the mattress. Equally, a millionaire could be weighed down with property, liabilities and duties that require constant financial and emotional upkeep.

      When people use the term millionaire, do they envision some kind of lifestyle? And is that vision actually theirs or is it someone else's? In other words, is it a borrowed vision?

      I'd suggest what they really mean is they want to be financially independent or secure. Understanding this might well impact on what needs to be done to achieve it. If you start with an idea of the sort of lifestyle you actually want - without comparing it to your perception of how others live - you can look for realistic ways of financing it.

      Maybe you'll decide you really do need a million. Or maybe all you need is a shift of perspective.
      Exactly... having been 'on the cusp' of being a millionaire in my early 30's... I concure, being 'weighed down' is an UNDERSTATEMENT in the arenas I competed!

      All it took was a little shift to the "left or right" and the hint of a recession to topple that stack... no remorse, no regrets... I've always learned the hard way.

      So I think the allure of being or becoming a millionaires IS NOT the goal "under the illusions people portray it to be" .

      Much like my old philosophy that drove me to work 80 - 100 work weeks centered upon; " 4-figure weeks, 5-figure months, and 6-figure years"... $100,000 per year (*even 20 years ago) NEVER afforded the luxuries, FREE time, or fueled the motives (*expectations) I had preconceived $100k per year would produce.

      It produced more responsibility... which is what many want to avoid altogether. Which lends reason to WHY so many either give-up, forfeit, or settle for a normal(?) job with a consistent predictable income... as GordonJ mentions the median household income falls under $50k per year... especially, if you equate the millionaires, billionaires, and the entire work force in America.

      Most of the working class I currently know, have known, and still love, appreciate, and ultimately respect; fall we'll under $50k per year... and, some of them are much more content, humble, and happy than I am ATM.

      BUT... if you examine the statistical data, most millionaires in America are in their mid-60's, 70's, and above in age... maybe age and experience makes you wiser... IDK?

      Meanwhile, I still subscribe to the ideology... there are far more ways to make better money than say building pools, renovating homes, or in essence;

      "Laboring for decades, in an effort to give birth to your future freedoms"

      You can labor your whole life and NEVER give birth to FREEDOM!

      You might as well sell (in-bound) leads to local contractors who have the credentials, the track record, and success in those local business arenas... cause I know (and have known) plenty of salesmen/women who made the same or better money (*than I did laboring as a tradesman...) just getting the contracts signed & selling millions in those industries and earned commissions.

      It's ONE (*of many) blueprints I am working on in the background... but requires some "working capital" and multiple skill sets to implement, no doubt!

      I do believe... people DO NOT really WANT to be millionaire's... they WANT their TIME and to feel their underlying desires to travel, explore, and feed their innermost passions and desires.

      With bigger money comes greater responsibility...

      Thus, THEY (*most people) really don't want THAT, they want to BE FREE of all that time spent BEING responsible...

      IMHO, that's exactly what I want... LESS RESPONSIBILITY, LOL.

      No wonder governments outsource wars, eh?
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by art72 View Post

        Meanwhile, I still subscribe to the ideology... there are far more ways to make better money than say building pools, renovating homes, or in essence;
        "Laboring for decades, in an effort to give birth to your future freedoms"

        You can labor your whole life and NEVER give birth to FREEDOM!
        Which is why we often prescribe, doing a LABOR of LOVE. When work is a joy, a necessity like oxygen, then we don't even think of it as work.

        How about a look at some of "more ways" to make better money, what are they?

        In a hurry? Create or acquire something that is complementary to a list of buyers and do a joint venture. It can, and has produced millionaires in a matter of days. DAYS.

        Of course, the catch is having the something of VALUE that a list owner would want to offer to their buyers.

        Almost to a person, the millionaire who struggled to get there, can now, often, repeat the process at a much higher speed. Not always of course, but this idea is behind the reason we buy the books.

        MJ DiMarco, Alex Hormozi, Alen Sultanic, etc, etc. have their tomes on accelerating the process to wealth. And so much of this is readily available and for free or at a low cost.

        There is not a lack of information out here online about making money quickly, and becoming a millionaire in a short period of time. The tested and proven shortcut is this:

        OFFERS TO BUYERS.

        Simple. Of course finding the buyers and creating the right offer for them is the crux of it.

        The higher the offer, the fewer the buyers needed. Lower cost items mean more transactions needed. Broker a super yacht or cargo ship, maybe only ONE time is needed. Sell TIDE (or any soap) and a million transactions might be needed.

        So, as one sets their sights on a million bux, once again, I take you back to assessment and what you can, can't or won't do. Deal making today, is one of those areas where you can be sitting at the kitchen table and via Internet/Phone be making deals around the world and conduct big business at that.

        Deals, at the income level we're discussing, could be 9 or 10 figure deals, whereas at the TRANSACTION level, only one is needed.

        One of the biggest problems most people face, when they think they want to become a millionaire is...lack of knowledge, in general on how the world works, and more specifically in big business methods. And of course, the mindset is a HUGE factor, going to belief...

        The idea that ONE CAN, and will do it is often the first block on the path. And that mostly comes from prior experience. But we can borrow the experience from the rich jerks like Kelly Felix, or from the above mentioned authors or from hundreds of books out there on how to do it.

        The millionaire IDEA is a good seed, that is often planted in bad soil.

        So soil preparation and reclamation may take the TIME, and often the longest amount of time to have a mindset of belief ready to receive the seed of wealth.

        At the bottom, the foundation, is once again the transaction. Start with a macro world wide overview, to see how things work...a million boxes of TIDE in Walmarts...100,000 supplement buyers at 10 bux each...one super yacht, one jet fighter, and there you go...yous gots ur million bux...and you are welcome.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a millionaire... But there is something wrong if you are coming here ( no offense to the WF, it is what it is ) to do it.

      There is a whole lot to be said for the company that you keep - meaning if you want to become a millionaire, you need to surround yourself with millionaires.
      Good point savidge4: Thanks.

      I agree that being around Millionaires would definitely help ... However I don't think it's a necessary requirement. (In fact I'm 97% certain I can reach that goal without it.) Also, I think that although a Person/Marketer/etc. may not be at that level ― there is often still something (sometimes many things) valuable that you can learn from them.

      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      Wanting to be a millionaire sounds like an example of borrowed thinking. A millionaire could have a million in the bank or tucked away under the mattress. Equally, a millionaire could be weighed down with property, liabilities and duties that require constant financial and emotional upkeep.

      When people use the term millionaire, do they envision some kind of lifestyle? And is that vision actually theirs or is it someone else's? In other words, is it a borrowed vision?
      Hey Frank. Thanks for the interesting post.

      Honestly I just think being a Multi-Millionaire is a cool goal to have ― and part of becoming an Accomplished Entrepreneur. For me, the more money a Person has, the more good they can do. For example, helping their favourite Charities and good causes; tithing 10% or more to their Church; helping their Friends and Family (etc.)

      All that said, as I learned from Chris Gardner ("Start Where You Are") "Money is the least important component of Wealth."
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post


        Honestly I just think being a Multi-Millionaire is a cool goal to have ― and part of becoming an Accomplished Entrepreneur. For me, the more money a Person has, the more good they can do. For example, helping their favourite Charities and good causes; tithing 10% or more to their Church; helping their Friends and Family (etc.)

        All that said, as I learned from Chris Gardner ("Start Where You Are") "Money is the least important component of Wealth."
        Chris Gardner is an inspirational story, no doubt.

        As to tossing money at good causes? Literally BILLIONS of dollars are thrown at charities a year. Every Billionaire and his sister have foundations, and it is not a coincidence that the Congress of the US has built in tremendous TAX advantages for the super rich. As altruistic as they may be, would there be this kind of charity if these guys actually paid taxes on their corporate earnings?

        But let me retell a popular story. A man walking by a river hears a scream for help, and sees a person flailing in the river and jumps in and pulls him out. He isn't on shore long until he hears another cry for help, and goes back in...soon there are lots of people jumping in to pull out the many people floating by.

        The exhausted first man, gets up and starts walking away, when asked where he is going, he replies, "I am going upstream to find out who is throwing these people in the river and stop it THERE."

        Opioid crisis. Alcohol addiction...Cancers. ASSOCIATIONS for just about every body part, food banks, to the tune of TRILLIONS of dollars over the decade.

        Take food banks as the example for most of them. Sure, they provide food (high in carbs, salt, sugar, fat) but which of the organizations is going up stream to prevent the lines at the food banks from getting longer? Uncle Sam or any National Gov't?

        Every THANKSGIVING here in Akron, as well as cities around the country, have a RUN for something, we get thousands of people running/walking every year to support an ALL VOLUNTEER organization...and that brings up where the CHARITY money goes.

        Yes a millionaire can give more money and as little as 5 cents on every dollar given goes to the people in need where some of the biggest CHARITIES have operating expenses, Executive Directors making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, and a built in fiefdom system of middle managers.

        MONEY hasn't made a dent in World Hunger.
        MONEY has had little to do with advancements in Cancer cures (breakthroughs are often from small researchers, not the well funded institutes who have to pay for staff.

        Now this is all well and good, it is how things are.

        Going back to the idea of wanting to become a multi millionaire to become a HELPER of people, someone who makes a difference?

        Well, that smacks of self identity issues. The girl on the ground, VOLUNTEERING her spare time to be face to face with those in need, offers more hope, more advancement of human caring and nurturing than all the FOUNDATIONS, tax free multi-millionaire donations every could.

        ALL rich people give money. Fine. Good. Dandy.

        Giving time is something else. But whatever ACTUALLY motivates a person is a good thing...mostly.

        Bernie Madoff and Jeffrey Epstein were HUGE donors to Charities.

        And almost all (but not all) like to let the world KNOW about their donations, what they don't get in a tax advantage, maybe they get in what they think is GOOD WILL or appreciation? Ego and Id?

        Whatever works to get people productive...

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            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            What's the opposite? To provide them with nothing?
            If this gets deleted it gets deleted. I have been in need aomy survival has been dependent on this being there. From that personal perspective. It is all about developing a system to provide people fish every day. And there is no attempt to teach people to fish too provided for them selves.


            That is my view my perspective and my experience and no opinion on religion. Or politics. All of it keeps people in poverty and dependent and makes me it harder for people to get out of needing the stuff.

            But that Is my biased and bitter view. In the face of people fine with being dependent and others fine feeling better about themselves giving people fish every day.

            Once the education system fails people the current options either take advantage of people or sustain them in the state of failure.
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            What's the opposite? To provide them with nothing?
            Provide them more healthy mix, fruits, veggies, and HOW TO as the preparation and education too. Give them macaroni and cheese, gov't cheese, and you ADD health problems to their lives. But offer a healthier option and avoid additional problems down the road, in general give a healthier mix.

            Too expensive? Check the dumpsters of EVERY supermarket, Walmart, restaurant in America and see how much of the better, healthier selections are tossed into the garbage.

            The millionaire can contribute to the buying of a better choice.

            But, as usual, you miss the point for the sake of stirring up the pot, the point is an intervention of not just provision, but of education and alternatives to assist them from having the need. How many Friendly Neighbors, or whatever or even church pantries offer any sort of assessment or help in having them help themselves?

            With all the billions and billions of money the super rich donate, very little goes to prevention and too much is spent on temporary "cure"...or as the old saying goes,

            give a man a fish, you fed him for a day (foodbank)
            teach a man to fish, you've fed him for a lifetime (a church with employment help)

            The ALTERNATIVE is to use existing resources in a better way.

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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

              Provide them more healthy mix, fruits,

              The ALTERNATIVE is to use existing resources in a better w

              GordonJ
              Deflation of assets and prices is the real option so people can afford rent education food and medical care without going into debt . Rent have doubled in the last five- 7 years in many places wages have not.
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      Maybe you'll decide you really do need a million. Or maybe all you need is a shift of perspective.

      I hope you're joking. A middle class house costs 1 million where I live.

      The travails of entrepreneurship are hardly worth it for so little.
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      • Profile picture of the author art72
        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

        I hope you're joking. A middle class house costs 1 million where I live.

        The travails of entrepreneurship are hardly worth it for so little.
        There is some truth to this perspective, as they want $200,000 for cheaply made double-wide trailers around our neck of the woods... well-built homes are upwards of $500k (...and UP) especially, if you desire to dwell on an acre or more!

        I don't think the "dollar amount" people put on their 'wish list' is nearly as important as escaping the systematical dysfunction (*inflation) that is creating the travails of small business ownership. The cost od a decent start-up (*especially, brick and mortar businesses) is hardly worth the overhead, up-keep, and current returns on small business ownership these days.

        But... like many suggest; it can be difficult to ignore the problems abroad, and stay focused and committed to creating your "own economy" - that definitely requires a shift in mindset... and some thick skin!

        Be of my own opinion, but I think much of this inflation is intentional - and robs the majority, whilst limiting the options people have to some degree.

        We just have to "outsmart" the system(s) and command a more beneficial outcomes for the majority... and, until then, pay whatever premiums being placed on the items and wares (i.e., fuel, housing, utilities, food, etc)... that are required to sustain a healthier living, until enough people 'stand up' and demand change... the system will remain a threat to the majority's overall well-being.

        Many predict, this inflation will not 'come down' until 2024... all I know is; those who have beaten the odds need to teach others, and likewise, those seeking to escape should follow the advice of those whom have either created their own economy, or in the least, have a leg up on how to find better ROI's and know how to reverse engineer the system(s) to favor those in need!
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          I just made that up. WIN. I'm having buttons and Tee shirts made too. Also, I'm a French model, Bon Jour.

          Our President, the one no one voted for, came up with Whip Inflation Now.

          The solution to beating inflation is, quit consuming. Since it is New Years, some resolutions might help.

          Give up smoking (do yourself and the health care system a break).
          Quit drinking alcohol. Again, better for you, better for us.
          Quit eating anything that has eyes.

          The way to win against inflation, is to quit.

          Also, give up joy, travel, NFL, NBA, MLB, TV and streaming (keep soccer, balls are cheap).

          But don't you dare try to take away my Little Debbie snack cakes, even when they cost, like 5 bux each.

          Be a WINner, IT WORKED ONCE, didn't it??

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          Originally Posted by art72 View Post

          There is some truth to this perspective, as they want $200,000 for cheaply made double-wide trailers around our neck of the woods... well-built homes are upwards of $500k (...and UP) especially, if you desire to dwell on an acre or more!

          I don't think the "dollar amount" people put on their 'wish list' is nearly as important as escaping the systematical dysfunction (*inflation) that is creating the travails of small business ownership. The cost od a decent start-up (*especially, brick and mortar businesses) is hardly worth the overhead, up-keep, and current returns on small business ownership these days.

          But... like many suggest; it can be difficult to ignore the problems abroad, and stay focused and committed to creating your "own economy" - that definitely requires a shift in mindset... and some thick skin!

          Be of my own opinion, but I think much of this inflation is intentional - and robs the majority, whilst limiting the options people have to some degree.

          We just have to "outsmart" the system(s) and command a more beneficial outcomes for the majority... and, until then, pay whatever premiums being placed on the items and wares (i.e., fuel, housing, utilities, food, etc)... that are required to sustain a healthier living, until enough people 'stand up' and demand change... the system will remain a threat to the majority's overall well-being.

          Many predict, this inflation will not 'come down' until 2024... all I know is; those who have beaten the odds need to teach others, and likewise, those seeking to escape should follow the advice of those whom have either created their own economy, or in the least, have a leg up on how to find better ROI's and know how to reverse engineer the system(s) to favor those in need!
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          • Profile picture of the author socialentry
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            The way to win against inflation, is to raise interests rates sky high



            ...


            Be a WINner, IT WORKED ONCE, didn't it??

            Fixed 4 u.



            All hail Paul Volcker.
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

              Fixed 4 u.

              All hail Paul Volcker.
              Appreciate the "fix", thanx...

              There is a flip side to the whole inflation issue...if it concerns you, maybe, you ain't making enough mooolah, eh?

              If inflation is 15%, give yourself a 30% raise and stay ahead of it. As a matter of point, if any news is impacting, influencing, giving you anxiety, then definitely you want to make more money, as fast as you can. No?

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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            Inflation is a vicious circle. Things cost you more, you then have to charge more.

            If you are not in a position to "Charge more" than you need to A) consider the situation you are in, or B) adapt to the situation you are in. If you have a "Job" this means you spend less, and if you run a business or are self employed, you simply charge more.

            At this point I am charging more because I can. Inflation is reverse effecting me... its not costing me, its making me.
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    Art

    I think if we get into what most people want. I'd say they want to afford to go to the doctor get their children good education. And have a comfortable place to live. And the current state of the USA almost requires someone to be a millionaire to pull that off.

    The millionaires in their 60-70s got degrees when people could work a part time job and pay their way through college. Bought houses in the 80 and 90s and had affordable health care plan
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Therein remains the ability to adapt, adopt, and in essence 'inherit' new beliefs, shift the paradigm, or be willing to change one's primal mode of thinking...

    When I designed an entire sales funnel for a digital product idea... I had everything built, the web design, the free report, the landing page, lead capture, and a rooftop view of a "value ladder" for one of many digital product ideas...

    Then I thought... this sucks... I could design better, write better, and build a better funnel... and scraped the project altogether.

    I have 100's (*if not 1000's of hours) examining, studying, and researching some of these launches... and could by-pass 90% of that time, work, and effort - just promoting those sales funnels, products, and earn affiliate commissions. (*Sounds easy as pie when put on a stage and broadcasted across the multitude of guru's who launch multi-million dollar product launches, memberships, courses, etc...) it too requires, time, energy, and effort....disciplines!!!

    But, they (guru's) have 10's of 1000's of hours invested... networks, affiliate partners, inner-circle reciprocation (*you sell mine to your lists... and I'll sell yours to my lists, etc.)

    I do believe a $5000 course on How to Master PPC Ads... or How to Sell In-Bound Leads to Local Business Owner's can indeed be replicated, cloned, and automated through sales funnels and make huge bank... much like writing $2 Kindle Books or selling $20 Hot Sheets... if positioned, packaged, and delivered properly to the right audience!!!

    So I believe in the idea... you can sell recipes to those who love to cook.

    What kills my belief is how many people (*like my wife) who loves to cook... does not understanding that a dream of running a food truck... almost takes a back seat to teaching people "How to cook" and selling the recipe, pots, pans, ingredients... or the old school methods of selling 'picks and shovels' to the would-be, wanna-be, could'be(?) gold diggers...

    And, in my mind, it almost screams; most will buy the picks and shovels and NEVER actually DIG for the GOLD.

    So whether I believe it's ethical or not to sell the "shiny objects" or "how to produce 'X' results" (*be it gold, money, or being/becoming a facilitator between an affiliate product offer per se) - as you mentioned; "if I don't take their money, someone else will" - So, there to is a NEED to believe in WHAT YOU ARE SELLING.

    When I made my 1st sales online... blew my mind making $94 in affiliate commissions... I bought the CB product, believed it was true to it's promises, made roughly $1500 in commissions ($47 per sale/commission)... for what amounted to *3-4 hours work ($300 per hour!), and then stepped-back and thought;

    -Who bought this product?

    - Why am I building someone else's email list and not my own?

    - Why don't I create my own funnels, lead capture, websites, and publications?

    I literally... stopped selling the other guys offer, thinking, he was the smart one and I must be stupid or something!

    Until... I learned about domains, hosting, autoresponders, building lists, sales funnels, and value ladders and was like... this IS TOO MUCH WORK for ONE PERSON to build, manage, and control... so I QUIT! (*a few times actually since joining this forum).

    Meanwhile... all the designs, files, content I created is still haunting me... tons of 3D eCovers (*spiral report covers, etc) are sitting on my hard-drives with 1000's of hours invested... as likened to many of my designs, writings, photoshop works... anf graphics, all just sitting there waiting to be produced, published, or worst case scenario... TESTED!!!

    Nope... they're collecting dust like antiques in an old abandoned mansion!!!

    Somehow, the eBay journey shares a similar 'mental frustration' although, it feels like "less work" than building sales funnels or trying to produce, publish, or sell $20 reports.

    All-the-while... selling a $20 eBay item (*especially ONE OFF ITEMS) does make me think... we had no following, no list, no feedback, and no problem selling 160 items thus far... we've built some positive feedback, followers, and momentum... but, we had to put those offers in-front of potential buyers.

    What truly scared me about IM was the exact same thing eBay just proved works...

    Stage the offer, make the sale... next!

    No shame in any of that process.

    Yet, now I am re-thinking the IM journey I've postponed several times due to... IDK..."fear of the unknown" that I wouldn't sell (*160) $20 reports???

    Why not do both???

    He'll, I may sell a how to start an eBay store report before all is said and done,and probably should...

    I could probable write a book on the subject just from the info savidge4, Chris, and other experts share freely online... and I think to be (good enough) at writing, design, and delivering PDF's to make that a priority too... this coming year!

    Meanwhile, it still roots back to 'baby steps' and trying to "forecast" the future...

    Who knows... in 5 years, a well-written $20 How to Master eBay report... might fetch more than the 1500% ROI those ONE OFF Air Jordan's brought in... last week.

    In any, and/or all likely... I'm going to have to recoup the TIME (*and knowledge) gained here on WF (and elsewhere) studying successful people in the IM community, no doubt.

    I may make a secondary "Warrior Path" this coming year... as there is a "burning desire" to accept I know enough to create and publish a few reports, ebooks, and/or Hotsheets... and build the sales funnels to facilitate sales... building traffic still scares me a bit tho.

    The son-in-law's sister (as I've mentioned prior) created TikTok videos making templates and gluing glitter into plastic drink tumblers...

    She sells the templates (*print on demand) - the tumblers (*Ali Express)... the glitter and the glue... (*AliExpress)...but, she had (1) TikTok video "go viral" 1.7 million views that kicked her hobby into business beast mode!

    Now, had all she done was sell the finished products she did as a hobby... she wouldn't be pulling over $300k a year right now... much like Terri making jewelry or wanting to sell food via; a food truck (hen we were younger).

    When part-time passion becomes a full-time business, it enabled her glitter hobby to retired her husband, stay home raising the kids, and she now works on her own clock.

    Now... selling a million-dollar yacht sounds fun too... but somehow, the production of one's own templates, books, and simple "cloning process" of selling templates, recipes, books, reports, etc... still has a 'promising' future attached to that style of create it ONCE... sell it forever appeal!

    I just need to convince myself (*like with eBay) IT can be done from zero... everybody starts at zero, essentially. (*even the gurus)

    Heck, if I sold 160 reports for $20 each in 6 months online... I would consider that easier than selling "one-off" physical products, and be happy to do so, no doubt.

    Again, I think eBay is teaching me a lot more than just eBay, lol.

    I wonder if the "idea" of easy money scares people???

    That might be my underlying hand-up with IM to date... not to imply it is easy, y'all know I've been studying all things IM for a good minute, lol.

    Maybe it's time to test a few ideas, theories, and produce a complete and fully functional sales funnel of my own this year...

    I already have 80% of the work stored on harddrives... what could it hurt to TRY to publish a report for sale...and, still do eBay too!
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Sometimes, it is frustrating for me, to read about you and other folks who may have similar skill sets. And maybe I'm way off, but the self doubt and either perfectionism or some false ideas, I don't know which, leaves me shaking my head.

      MAYBE some 'gurus' have tens of thousands of hours invested, but in the schematics of making money, maybe many millionaires don't have anywhere near that time invested.

      I'm not about to analyze anyone here, or elsewhere, so what is, IS. I wonder about people who have intelligence, education (even an autodidact), skills, knowledge and remain in a cycle, knowing they could burst out of it?

      When we are our own worst enemy, and we know it, it becomes its own problem.

      I was able to defeat my own ADD by: Awareness. Frequent changes daily, but concerted focus during those times. I developed the habit of writing everyday. Without fail. For almost 50 years now. If I don't spend that allotted time to write, I get a pent up frustration.

      And since I was writing, and maybe as obsession, it came to me that, as long as I was writing, why not write some of it for others. To share. And if they found value, to exchange dollars for it.

      Maybe "commercial" writing is about 50% of my time, not so much these days, but the creative juices had to be used DAILY, one for me, one for the other guy. You've read several of my reports, in addition to Ain't No Einstein, I'm far from Shakespeare, King or J.K. Rowling too.

      So, 30 minutes of first thing in the day writing became an hour, and then, when those ADD times kicked in, maybe a day would go by without a break.

      But having a written mantra above my keyboard (or keys back in the typewriter days)...which was...

      ONE FOR ME. ONE FOR THE OTHER GUY.

      It gave me a sense of purpose, to share, but also a selfish means to write what I wanted.

      Making $28,000.00 in three weeks with the Headlight Cleaning Manual was one for THE OTHER GUY. See? I only benefitted when shared.

      The Chattel Report. OTHER GUY.
      Poems from the cemetery. ME.
      All things free. OTHER GUY.

      And so on for over 200 such things for THE OTHER GUY, and some of them have been with me for 25 years and continue to give me money for whatever it is.

      In the thread about being ALL IN, we read several different viewpoints. I've never been all in on making money to the exclusion of anything else, but I am all in on the day, and doing what ever needs to be done to the best of my ability. But the habit developed over the years, and there were times I had to get up an hour early to get my 30 minutes of must do writing in, then work a long and tiring day...but that is what the good thing is about HABITS.

      Oddly, they become habitual. We just do them automatically. And if we are able to make our habits have a purpose, like my 50/50 Other Guy/ME routine, then time takes care of the rest of it.

      Also, there might be a ton of good stuff in the for ME pile, that I just don't think anyone would be interested. So, as to the market place, you only find out if your stuff is worth a transaction, if it is out there to be made.

      Then, the refund rate will be the judge of the work. Thankfully, I have had only a handful of refunds over the last 3 decades, so the low cost thing either works, or it just isn't worth their time to ask for it back (giving bonuses helps too).

      Anyhow Art72, I hope there comes a time down the road where you stop and take a deep breath and do one for US, the other guys out here.

      And when you do that, and eliminate the ME/I from the work, I think you will soar to spectacular heights.

      GordonJ









      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Therein remains the ability to adapt, adopt, and in essence 'inherit' new beliefs, shift the paradigm, or be willing to change one's primal mode of thinking...

      When I designed an entire sales funnel for a digital product idea... I had everything built, the web design, the free report, the landing page, lead capture, and a rooftop view of a "value ladder" for one of many digital product ideas...

      Then I thought... this sucks... I could design better, write better, and build a better funnel... and scraped the project altogether.

      I have 100's (*if not 1000's of hours) examining, studying, and researching some of these launches... and could by-pass 90% of that time, work, and effort - just promoting those sales funnels, products, and earn affiliate commissions. (*Sounds easy as pie when put on a stage and broadcasted across the multitude of guru's who launch multi-million dollar product launches, memberships, courses, etc...) it too requires, time, energy, and effort....disciplines!!!

      But, they (guru's) have 10's of 1000's of hours invested... networks, affiliate partners, inner-circle reciprocation (*you sell mine to your lists... and I'll sell yours to my lists, etc.)

      I do believe a $5000 course on How to Master PPC Ads... or How to Sell In-Bound Leads to Local Business Owner's can indeed be replicated, cloned, and automated through sales funnels and make huge bank... much like writing $2 Kindle Books or selling $20 Hot Sheets... if positioned, packaged, and delivered properly to the right audience!!!

      So I believe in the idea... you can sell recipes to those who love to cook.

      What kills my belief is how many people (*like my wife) who loves to cook... does not understanding that a dream of running a food truck... almost takes a back seat to teaching people "How to cook" and selling the recipe, pots, pans, ingredients... or the old school methods of selling 'picks and shovels' to the would-be, wanna-be, could'be(?) gold diggers...

      And, in my mind, it almost screams; most will buy the picks and shovels and NEVER actually DIG for the GOLD.

      So whether I believe it's ethical or not to sell the "shiny objects" or "how to produce 'X' results" (*be it gold, money, or being/becoming a facilitator between an affiliate product offer per se) - as you mentioned; "if I don't take their money, someone else will" - So, there to is a NEED to believe in WHAT YOU ARE SELLING.

      When I made my 1st sales online... blew my mind making $94 in affiliate commissions... I bought the CB product, believed it was true to it's promises, made roughly $1500 in commissions ($47 per sale/commission)... for what amounted to *3-4 hours work ($300 per hour!), and then stepped-back and thought;

      -Who bought this product?

      - Why am I building someone else's email list and not my own?

      - Why don't I create my own funnels, lead capture, websites, and publications?

      I literally... stopped selling the other guys offer, thinking, he was the smart one and I must be stupid or something!

      Until... I learned about domains, hosting, autoresponders, building lists, sales funnels, and value ladders and was like... this IS TOO MUCH WORK for ONE PERSON to build, manage, and control... so I QUIT! (*a few times actually since joining this forum).

      Meanwhile... all the designs, files, content I created is still haunting me... tons of 3D eCovers (*spiral report covers, etc) are sitting on my hard-drives with 1000's of hours invested... as likened to many of my designs, writings, photoshop works... anf graphics, all just sitting there waiting to be produced, published, or worst case scenario... TESTED!!!

      Nope... they're collecting dust like antiques in an old abandoned mansion!!!

      Somehow, the eBay journey shares a similar 'mental frustration' although, it feels like "less work" than building sales funnels or trying to produce, publish, or sell $20 reports.

      All-the-while... selling a $20 eBay item (*especially ONE OFF ITEMS) does make me think... we had no following, no list, no feedback, and no problem selling 160 items thus far... we've built some positive feedback, followers, and momentum... but, we had to put those offers in-front of potential buyers.

      What truly scared me about IM was the exact same thing eBay just proved works...

      Stage the offer, make the sale... next!

      No shame in any of that process.

      Yet, now I am re-thinking the IM journey I've postponed several times due to... IDK..."fear of the unknown" that I wouldn't sell (*160) $20 reports???

      Why not do both???

      He'll, I may sell a how to start an eBay store report before all is said and done,and probably should...

      I could probable write a book on the subject just from the info savidge4, Chris, and other experts share freely online... and I think to be (good enough) at writing, design, and delivering PDF's to make that a priority too... this coming year!

      Meanwhile, it still roots back to 'baby steps' and trying to "forecast" the future...

      Who knows... in 5 years, a well-written $20 How to Master eBay report... might fetch more than the 1500% ROI those ONE OFF Air Jordan's brought in... last week.

      In any, and/or all likely... I'm going to have to recoup the TIME (*and knowledge) gained here on WF (and elsewhere) studying successful people in the IM community, no doubt.

      I may make a secondary "Warrior Path" this coming year... as there is a "burning desire" to accept I know enough to create and publish a few reports, ebooks, and/or Hotsheets... and build the sales funnels to facilitate sales... building traffic still scares me a bit tho.

      The son-in-law's sister (as I've mentioned prior) created TikTok videos making templates and gluing glitter into plastic drink tumblers...

      She sells the templates (*print on demand) - the tumblers (*Ali Express)... the glitter and the glue... (*AliExpress)...but, she had (1) TikTok video "go viral" 1.7 million views that kicked her hobby into business beast mode!

      Now, had all she done was sell the finished products she did as a hobby... she wouldn't be pulling over $300k a year right now... much like Terri making jewelry or wanting to sell food via; a food truck (hen we were younger).

      When part-time passion becomes a full-time business, it enabled her glitter hobby to retired her husband, stay home raising the kids, and she now works on her own clock.

      Now... selling a million-dollar yacht sounds fun too... but somehow, the production of one's own templates, books, and simple "cloning process" of selling templates, recipes, books, reports, etc... still has a 'promising' future attached to that style of create it ONCE... sell it forever appeal!

      I just need to convince myself (*like with eBay) IT can be done from zero... everybody starts at zero, essentially. (*even the gurus)

      Heck, if I sold 160 reports for $20 each in 6 months online... I would consider that easier than selling "one-off" physical products, and be happy to do so, no doubt.

      Again, I think eBay is teaching me a lot more than just eBay, lol.

      I wonder if the "idea" of easy money scares people???

      That might be my underlying hand-up with IM to date... not to imply it is easy, y'all know I've been studying all things IM for a good minute, lol.

      Maybe it's time to test a few ideas, theories, and produce a complete and fully functional sales funnel of my own this year...

      I already have 80% of the work stored on harddrives... what could it hurt to TRY to publish a report for sale...and, still do eBay too!
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


    But do the first 30 days with one MAJOR idea in mind. Make a profit. Don't spend any money, SELL something. Get even a small amount of cash in your hand, cash you did not have at the start of the time period.


    GordonJ
    Originally Posted by art72 View Post


    Maybe it's time to test a few ideas, theories, ....

    I already have 80% of the work stored on harddrives... what could it hurt to TRY to publish a report for sale...and, still do eBay too!
    Art, could you take one of those existing files and slap on a 3D cover, then list it on Amazon Kindle, and possibly put it in your signature? You may actually start what Gordon posted above.

    By the way this is a great thread, thanks for bringing the subject up!
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      You can teach a man to fish - but if he only sits on the bank of the river and never casts a line...he'll starve. And perhaps that is as it should be.

      Opportunity is not a limited access option. It is not necessary for someone else to have less in order for you to have more.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        You can teach a man to fish - but if he only sits on the bank of the river and never casts a line...he'll starve. And perhaps that is as it should be.

        Opportunity is not a limited access option. It is not necessary for someone else to have less in order for you to have more.
        Well what if he is sitting on the bank writing reports and how to information on fishing. Isn't that the struggle most people have in the IM area. People who don't actually do. Trying to make money repackaging information on what they have read and learned.

        Especially in a day where it's easy to find the same information on YouTube with people who have been doing it for years making free videos and selling reports to their viewers and subscribers.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          Well what if he is sitting on the bank writing reports and how to information on fishing. Isn't that the struggle most people have in the IM area. People who don't actually do. Trying to make money repackaging information on what they have read and learned.

          Especially in a day where it's easy to find the same information on YouTube with people who have been doing it for years making free videos and selling reports to their viewers and subscribers.
          ONE problem I see at WF, so much bias, or belief about "people" in general.

          So, let me make a statement. And I've said this about RICH people; THEY are not of one herd.

          Nor are the "homeless".
          Or the "handicapped" or "mentally challenged".

          There is not a THEM.
          All poor people don't share the hive.

          And there is no such thing, as we SO OFTEN see here at WF, is: "most people". Or most, or the majority, or the BEST, and probably not "better".

          NO. Most people aren't sitting on the banks writing reports. I DO. Often. MOST information marketers (at least not the successful ones) don't always offer up only OBSERVATIONAL information. Maybe MOST affiliate information marketers do, but that is the very nature of that business model.

          Sure, learning from someone DOING, and having first hand experience is a preferred option. It is the reason I went to New Mexico for the headlight cleaning manual, and to FL for a car detailing report, and to N. Carolina for a bee keeping operation to EXPERIENCE what the business was like from the "BOOTS on the ground, direct experience" level.

          I have never picked up dog poo. For money.

          Although it is a franchise available, and some maybe make a full time living do it. I can write about THAT, strictly from an observational view, no need to be in the yard doing it.

          Making money, and following the advice of those that do it, or have done it, is, sometimes, a better option too.

          But going way, way back in my time machine; I learned about several business Ideas from George Haylings, and Chase Revel, basically reporters (researchers) of businesses. In the early days of the Internet Ron Ruiz compiled ideas.

          OBSERVATIONAL business information Can BE useful, whether it is second, third or 15th hand info. I made a small fortune from a SINGING TELEGRAM business, one which had been operated by a big company, WESTERN UNION, for decades, It wasn't unknown or hidden, nor secret. But until I read about it going out of business and Western ONION springing up, it never would have been on my radar.

          All* you Warriors need to take a beat...

          And THINK before you toss out words like MOST, or best, or better for me.

          These are spurious ideas at best, and more often than not they reveal YOUR personal bias and feelings about other people. Get over the THEM and what THEY do...and focus on what you have to offer from your FIRST HAND experience and maybe actually cast that line into the river and put something in your mouth other than excuses, blame and the other guy, eh?

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          Respectfully,

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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Opportunity is not a limited access option. It is not necessary for someone else to have less in order for you to have more.
        Great point Kay. That's where an "Abundance Mindset" can be influential.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Great point Kay. That's where an "Abundance Mindset" can be influential.
          First, what is an "abundance mindset", is it there is plenty of everything for everyone?

          And, however you define it, how is it influential?

          You can have an abundance mindset, knowing no one needs give something up for you to have yours, but, where is the action? You normally harp on taking action.

          So, a Warrior comes here thinking there is an abundance of money to be made with IM, and believes in abundance...HOW does that influence them to take action?

          Just knowing there are plenty of fish in the river, isn't enough, even then, casting a line with gummy bears as bait, may not work.

          I think a mindset becomes INFLUENTIAL when it is acted on in a planned, thought out way with a definitive goal in mind.

          I'm missing your point, if you have one to make.

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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Thanks for the reply GordonJ

            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            First, what is an "abundance mindset", is it there is plenty of everything for everyone?
            Essentially many People think there's limited resources (including money) ... They believe that if one Person is getting their "share" they won't get theirs. I'm not an expert on the subject, however usually I think often there is plenty to go around.

            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            And, however you define it, how is it influential?
            Well that goes back to what I said ... When a Person is in a "scarcity mindset" that will influence their thinking, decisions, and actions.

            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            You can have an abundance mindset, knowing no one needs give something up for you to have yours, but, where is the action? You normally harp on taking action.
            Sure. I think that being a Successful Entrepreneur (etc.) requires both thinking and action.

            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            So, a Warrior comes here thinking there is an abundance of money to be made with IM, and believes in abundance...HOW does that influence them to take action?
            When a Person doesn't believe they can make money and/or money is "scarce" ― that will often influence their decisions (etc.)

            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            Just knowing there are plenty of fish in the river, isn't enough, even then, casting a line with gummy bears as bait, may not work.
            Sure. I completely agree.

            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            I think a mindset becomes INFLUENTIAL when it is acted on in a planned, thought out way with a definitive goal in mind.
            Absolutely. : )

            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            I'm missing your point, if you have one to make
            Just that ― all things being equal ― adopting an "Abundance Mindset" will result in more success.
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            There is a reason behind the 30 days, other than it matches the calendar mostly. 12 months at 30 days is 360, a few to make up here and there.

            Also, as mentioned, it is about the avg. length of time to form a new habit, or to get one off to a good start.

            In a moment, an explanation of the quarterly formats, but first, within each 30 days one can do a weekly checklist, easy enough with your calendar or dairy.

            10 days seems to work better and I don't really have an explanation other than 3 is less than four.

            Being at the first 10 days point, I call this checkpoint ALPHA. The first time to see how progress is coming along.

            Because the WF never listened to us, even after they asked for our opinions, in fact, they let the guy go who made an effort to get the WF back to glory. Reminded me of an NFL football team and head coaches.

            Allen was the Tom Landry (Dallas Cowboys) and Al Davis (Oakland Raiders), being both owner and head coach, and the WF was the team.

            Since his selling of the WF, it became the Cleveland Browns. A slew of head coaches, and a sinking ship.

            Anyhow, we made the suggestions a few years ago about giving new people a starting point rather than having them just jump in and become overwhelmed/confused.

            The result of no help, no direction from the ownership, has been a playing field of chaos, and in the chaos a new Warrior may end up becoming a seasoned Warrior of several YEARS without reaching the goal they came here with.

            This thread is one way to prevent this for, perhaps, a few Warriors who don't want to waste years trying to find the right way for them to make their money with IM.

            The premise is simple: know what you want and why. That would be Square One. After the want/desire the logical question would be the HOW.

            This contrasts with how many new Warriors go about, starting with What is best? What should I do? Which is better or faster?

            I ask, what do you bring with you? And then once identifying THAT, a series of questions aimed at getting what you already have/know into the marketplace and producing income.

            Some new Warriors come here self aware, knowing their strengths and weaknesses, either having a passion, an interest or in some cases an obsession. Since it was designed to attract those who want to make money online with Internet Marketing (IM), we can safely assume the majority of new Warriors have that mission in mind.

            LOTS of IM ways, popular ones being affiliate, ecom, ebay, software, product creation or acquisition. ALL of the money making ways of IM require a transaction, an exchange of value.

            I believe EVERY new Warrior comes here with something called STORED VALUE, found in their skills, knowledge or life experiences and feel that is one of the best places to start.

            Start where you are at, with what you have...and know where and why you want to go there....THEN,

            THEN, plan on the HOW.

            IF someone has uncertainty about their skills or are not sure what their skills might match as far as IM goes, there are scores of assessments available online to help shine some light on strengths and weaknesses.

            So 10 days into our journey, I wonder if anyone has given thought to the idea or concept of the thread?

            We've had a good 10 days of discussion and now maybe we can take the thread to a more HOW to phase, looking at setting goals and mapping out the journey so as to avoid as much slop, mess and quicksand as we can.

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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Let's dive into the nitty gritty of HOW.

              If you are an American making 60 thousand dollars a year, you are considered in the median income class, however, you are doing pretty pretty good by world standards.

              60 thou is 5k a month.

              1250 a week. 179 bux a day. The Internet is ON, all the time, and a BILLION people are on it, and millions EVERY SINGLE DAY, are spending money on what they want.

              There has NEVER ever been a better time for a person to start a money making venture or to start a business, and there is a difference in the two. Selling your TV on the front porch isn't a business, it is a transaction. Selling dozens of bikes a month, could be a business, and if you do it from a storefront, it had better be a business.

              For the sake of this discussion, I will assume we want a legit biz to conduct our transactions with Internet Marketing, OK?

              So we start with a dollar (financial) goal. Convert into your currency if you want. But we are wanting to learn how to make 60 thousand dollars a year with Internet marketing, and we already know that is roughly 179 dollars a day for the 365.

              179 x 365 = 65,335 (if my calculator worked right).

              Now we can chunk that 179 up into smaller pieces or we can double, triple it. Or however we want to.

              If you made 10 sales a day of 18.00 each, you hit the goal. If you make 20 at 9, BINGO.

              OR, you can do 5 at 36, ONE at 180, ONE every other day at 360, and many Warriors have spent three hundred and sixty dollars for a product, a course, a software or an IM guru's latest and greatest. Several WSO's at these price points.

              All of this is on paper. NO action has been taken, it is still part of discovery and ASSESSMENT at this point. There are those who can't get to the belief stage that people will spend 360 on a product because they never would. And we run into one of the first stumbling blocks right here. Personal bias.

              Personal bias goes like this:
              " I would never spend that much money on _______, so I don't THINK anyone else would either."

              In general, we like to start from our own comfort zone of spending, based on our history. If you have never made the 60 thou a year, it may be hard to "believe" it is doable from where you are at. If that is half of what you are used to making, then it is much easier to believe it is possible.

              Now an aside, actually jumping forward here, but I'll get back to it. In reality, the beginner isn't going to make the 179 a day consistently, but with continuous effort and growing, a bulk or large part of that 60 will come in the final weeks of the first year. It may take 7 months to get to the first 5k month, but then things exponentially explode and maybe the final month, is a 30k month, see? This goes to MINDSET, you won't be making 179 a day from the get go, and may go days, weeks, even months not hitting this goal.

              We see from Savidge4's thread about eBay, how a small start grew and grew and grew and he and his 9 YEAR old son at the time, exceeded this modest GOAL of only 60,000 a year.

              But back to bias.

              YOU need to separate you from the market. Sure, I say start with you and what you know, do, have etc. Take golf, it is not unusual for a golfer to play twice a week and spend what? 20 bux each time?

              So if you golf, or bowl, or have a hobby you spend money on, you already have a comfort zone of spending.

              We are STARTING this IM journey with a dollar amount, at this point, leaving passion, obsession, heart's desire at the door step as we enter the IM world, we want the MONEY. So we start with how much money do you want?

              If you have the inner need for a millionaire status, your daily income will need to be 2740 dollars, every single day. And of course, that is done or being done by some IMers. NOT the beginner. Not the Warrior who has spent five years and still hasn't hit the 5k a month level, but it is being done by someone.

              So we have set a financial goal, 5k a month or 60 k a year, we got to the 179 by backward chaining a certain number of transactions, knowing it will more than likely be a MIXTURE OF dollar amounts...some below 179, some above. So we know what we want, and maybe why but now we look for the HOW?

              Enter the "which is best" of the weekly WF posts, now for over a decade.
              Here at WF, we see a lot about affiliate.

              We have ONE BLUEPRINT to follow with eBay and that thread, a very detailed laid out action sequence that went from a 40 dollar investment to a hundred thousand dollar success story, pretty much strips anyone from their excuses, doesn't it?

              Now create one for AFFILIATE marketing. Simple approach find a 360 dollar offer which has a 50% commission, right?

              If I need to tell you about Google, Bing, Youtube as SEARCH engines, sorry, you are already hopeless, good bye.

              Google top paying affiliate programs, and vary that search. You will find all sorts of things, but first, how about my goal, is it realistic?

              https://truelist.co/blog/affiliate-marketing-salary/ Here is an article which purports to give you the facts of affiliate marketing income and you will see that 60k a year, is about "base pay". So yea, not stretching do-ability here. Now, yes these are salary based stats, but they mirror what any one affiliate can do.

              So, you do a search. And today, MY OPINION, Search Engines suck. It is getting harder and harder for me to find the information I want without having to wade through garbage ads, gamed search sites irrelevant to what I am searching for, but maybe that's just me.

              One Google search that does work, is looking for affiliate platforms. One thing we IMers have done wrong, is teach people how to create these AFFILIATE review sites, where we want unbiased opinion and we mostly get someone making a commission from their reviews. It is what it is.

              Anyhow, sites like ClickBank, JVzoo, Warriorplus, CJaffiliate, Rakuten, etc., etc. have pretty easy to search features.

              As part of this ASSESSMENT period, before you decide what to do, take a look at those programs that may offer a 360 dollar product with a 50% commission, just to see what a 179 product looks like.

              OH, there is no shortage of information right here at WF, lots of discussion daily about affiliate programs, even a section recently used, with some affiliate offers. One of them TODAY has petshop affiliate offer, the other has a gaming offer, you don't even have to leave the forum to find things to promote.

              But it would be good FOR YOU, if you spent a few days going through the many platforms looking at what is out there, what others are offering, and to some deeper diving into these affiliate programs. Some, like ClickBank and Warriorplus have much easier paths than say, SemRush or Amazon. Some affiliate programs have a lot of hoops to jump through.

              What we see is, "What is the BEST affiliate PROGRAM?" And those come with some very biased answers, almost always from people in the affiliate game suggesting their thing. I tend to harp on assessment, and planning, but this time spent up front, actually doing some research will save you years of trial and error, and if you don't believe me, believe all the Warriors here who have posted about their 5, 7 even decades long journey to not making a living from IM.

              It is up to you. Start smart, or just dive in and do your thing, it is your time, your life.

              And keep in mind, affiliate marketing is only one way to get into IM. But by using a MONEY amount goal right from the start, you can ask better questions about which of the many ways might suit you and you won't embarrass yourself by asking what should I do?

              Questions?

              GordonJ

              P.S. Next, the same thing for information products, or membership sites, if you have questions about these too, ask away and I'll try to get them answered.
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                Let's dive into the nitty gritty of HOW.

                60 thou is 5k a month.
                The goal is to make 60 thousand dollars a year, first year, with IM. We looked at affiliate marketing, and we have seen how eBay can do that.

                Now, a couple of other ways, and we can cover several if wanted.

                Jump with me into the hot tub time machine and go back to 1998, and I paid a guy ( Bill Myers) $1,000.00 to join his private membership site known as the IDEA BANK. The next year, in Jan. Bill got another 1000 bux from me and from 80 to 100 others.

                Imagine starting the year off with 80 thousand in the bank, sweet peas eh? I think you would find every member of that group say, it was well worth the money, in fact, it was a bargain. Many of those people went on to use Bill's software, MEMBERGATE, and set up successful membership groups of their own.

                Now he too was an INFOPRENEUR, selling the old world "paper and ink" products, like newsletters, which so many of us old timers came online from doing.

                Today, there is no paper or ink, but tons of moolah still being made with newsletters and information products. We've built a 23 year business on that model.

                Anyhoo...HOW to make 60 thousand dollars your first year in IM with memberships and information products, as well as eBay, ecom, affiliate marketing et al.

                We've already done the math in the previous thread, and with the Bill Myers model, you would only need to find 60 people ready, willing and able to pay you 1000 a year, and then the whole thing gets super accelerated.

                In 1998, I sold my first affiliate product, and made $1,000.00 the first week doing it, never having to touch the product, ship it, worry about returns, all of that was just a commission for a sales letter I wrote for the product. I don't believe in slow and steady winning any races, especially not the Rat Race. If you really want to escape it, then you really should be looking for the fastlane, and learn to make maximum profits in minimum time.

                No one is going to retire on 60,000 a year, but for a newbie to IM, even if it takes twice as long to get there, it could be life changing. Let us strive to get there in one year. If motivated and you don't waste time, it is indeed, doable.

                How? Well, we start with a GOAL, money. And we looked at how that amount of money could be divided, with 1k memberships, you need 60 people. If your membership is 500 you need 120, whatever the math is. Alen Sultanic is getting $20,000.00 (soon to be raised to 40 thousand) a year for his private membership group. He needs 3 to hit this low goal. Imagine if he gets 100? Which he could do, albeit, the TIME of fulfillment might eat his lunch.

                Bill Myers gave us all content at once, with Alen, he offers personal coaching, so that comes into play too.

                We have seen the MASTERCLASS spring up, much like TED talks, when it was new and shiny, it attracted a lot of attention...I found my enthusiasm waning on both, when everyone and his cousin had a Masterclass or Ted talk. But MC still got a couple of years of dollars from my bank account.

                We have at the WF, and a lot of history, of a guitar instructor in the main forum detailing his IM Journey over the last several years to a point where he has far exceeded our starting goal. So the idea, the concept of a membership way to IM success is as viable today as it was at the beginning of the world wide web.

                Today, many are found at Facebook Groups, where you can pay and learn all sorts of good stuff which interests you.

                One BIG problem for new Warriors is: they come here in NEED, often desperate need. Or a want, desire to make money, and that is where their head stays...with Making Money Online, and the rut they fall into is in trying to sell other people how to make money things, mainly via affiliate marketing, and they perpetuate the cycle.

                The way to make membership offers work is to have a specific target market, a well defined avatar, or as the Prince of Print, Ser Gary Halbert said it, "find a hungry crowd, put your food stand in the middle of it" or words to that effect.

                So, when I ask what do you bring to the table, your answer could very well contain some clues, or keys to what could be turned into a lucrative IM business. Even your location could be valuable. Maybe you live in the big city, or a tourist destination, or in the desert, or the country. All of those locations have things that others are interested in. Speaking of Bill Myers, he built a chicken coop in his back yard, DOCUMENTED it (thanks Savidge4) and then sold blueprints and plans along with information on raising chickens to the tune of thousands of dollars.

                A rural family in the deep American South made homemade soap and sold thousands of bars at 4 bux each at county fairs and such. I made candles (way to early) back in the late 70's, before the candle craze hit big...but even today, there are kits, information and even retail stores with candles and soaps.

                So, when I say assessment of what you have, that not only includes education, skills, experiences but it could be a simple as living in an area where something happened, or there is something, and it could be a gateway to your IM money making journey. To Be Continued.

                Continued.

                A question to ponder, if you got a 20% pay raise every year, would that be a good thing, and is there anyone here or that you know of getting a TWENTY PERCENT raise? How about 20% ROI? Even old Bernie Made off with the money knew better than that.

                Yet, if you were to hit the first year goal of 60 thousand dollars, would there be any reason to think you couldn't increase that to 72 thousand in the next year? With a business, especially online Internet Marketing giving yourself 20% a year increase isn't that hard. Sure, maybe you hit a ceiling, but that is when you diversify.

                Back to information and memberships. One of the better things to come out of WF was the idea of a fixed term membership program, not sure who it was, but it was and IS a very doable, viable and effective method to know how much money was coming in for a fixed period of time.

                Now a cousin of the membership idea (in my world anyhow) is the SUBSCRIPTION. We've made steady streams of income with our subscription services and I came out of a background of writing newsletters, I've always thought it was an excellent model to do, and encourage you to consider it too.

                A membership and subscription don't need be mutually exclusive, some have both, but they can be separate and different income streams within the same target market.

                Subscriptions. Royalties. Residuals. Syndications. All part of the TOLL position concept, and with time can be very passive income streams, in fact, most are. When you create a membership, or a paid community, however you want to think of it, maybe CULT (as in Cult of Copy, a Facebook Group), or CLUB, like the Ohio Lottery Players Club or Community, Collective or Consortium (running out of alliteration here)...

                When you want to build a passive income stream these come into play, more on that later if interested. But back to information and membership.

                See, I think of a newsletter, or monthly HOTSHEET with a subscription to be as good as a membership site, and in some ways even better. A hotsheet differs from a cheatsheet due to a limited time period. The information has an expiration date, which will often make a hotsheet more valuable than a tips or cheat sheet does

                So there are some similarities with membership and information.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                  Just to add according to Tony Robbins "Abundance" has been defined as:

                  "An abundance mindset is the belief that there are enough resources in the World for everyone ― and of being grateful for whatever the Universe provides."

                  Unfortunately many People are stuck in a "scarcity" mindset. The solution? Adopt an Abundance Mindset. Realize that actually there's an abundance of Opportunity out there. ― just choose what's important to you.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    Just to add according to Tony Robbins "Abundance" has been defined as:

                    "An abundance mindset is the belief that there are enough resources in the World for everyone ― and of being grateful for whatever the Universe provides."

                    Unfortunately many People are stuck in a "scarcity" mindset. The solution? Adopt an Abundance Mindset. Realize that actually there's an abundance of Opportunity out there. ― just choose what's important to you.
                    Use the term value system instead of mindset. Japanese a5 wagyu is in limited supply so it is highly valuable. .

                    Is there enough to meet people's basic needs. Yes it is just not evenly distributed on the planet. And in the human condition people tend to devalue what is in great supply around them wile placing high value on what is limited or not available where they currently are.

                    If a person has a real abundance mindset they understand they have plenty of resources available to them to have an enjoyable experience today. If you get out of the western world. Some of the happiest people you meet have very little and work very hard. But are not making themselves miserable for all the things they don't have . While they and their family has a place to live plenty to eas and a cell phone they can use to message everyone they know all the time. I mean as long as everyone they know is healthy.

                    Abundance depends on what matters to you and what is really of value.

                    In the west or at least USA there is an abundance of opportunities because there is an abundance of of people with wealth. Not spread out evenly but it's pretty easy to move where the opportunities that suits a person are once they figure out what those are.
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                  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    Unfortunately many People are stuck in a "scarcity" mindset. The solution? Adopt an Abundance Mindset. Realize that actually there's an abundance of Opportunity out there. ― just choose what's important to you.

                    But what if the year is 1992 and you're a muslim living in Sarajevo.


                    also wat if ur the head of the US federal reserve
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                • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


                  And information.
                  INFORMATION.

                  First, a little dis-Information as regards, what it is. A working definition from Merriam-Webster is:

                  : knowledge obtained from investigation, study, or instruction

                  And I add: or experience.

                  So that is what information is. The confusion is when we start to think of it as only writing.

                  Information can be delivered in several forms. We have seen audio become popular once again. Audio is one of the fastest growing trends in information delivery. Actually it has come full circle. Most of you are too young to remember when CASSETTES were the thing, and we were buying courses for hundreds of dollars with the 6 or 9 cassette tapes and a workbook.

                  There was a time when the cassette player was the "cell phone" of its day, meaning, almost everyone had one and people walked around with earphones on listening to music and talk. Just like today.

                  Information can be sold in a wide range of formats. You could just talk on the phone or with Skype or any of the person to person means. You can make the 179 dollars in one hour talking on the phone. If you were to charge only 50 dollars an hour, only 3.5 hours would give you the daily level.

                  Today, we tune into Youtube, where we can watch both live and RECORDED videos. You could make on audio, or video and it could be sold for decades.

                  We don't see the CD DVD like we did a decade ago, but how great is it that we can put entire movies on a disk and carry it with us anywhere. This is the GOLDEN AGE of information marketing.

                  The sweet thing about selling information is, you can create or acquire it ONCE and that time never has to be spent again. You can sell it over, and over and over, year after year after year after decade.

                  Information is one of the most efficient products one can sell. The time and money it takes to create/acquire and then curate, is the most minimal of efficiencies.

                  Now I have a plan of action, but it is only one way to do it.

                  Start with an idea, a topic you know about. want to know about, have experience with or has a ready to buy market. Since I've used golf in the thread, I'll stick with that as a metaphor for all things Information.

                  Lets pick DRIVERS, one of the hot niches of the game. These sell for up to and over $1,000.00 each. If you are in the market for a new one, you probably have done some research. I would create a HOTSHEET on the subject, something like ...

                  HOW TO PICK THE BEST DRIVER FOR YOU FOR 2023
                  Discover the newest element that automatically adds 20 yards to your drive.

                  The one page hotsheet would probably be links to articles, stories and sales pages about drivers, of course, I would include as many AFFILIATE LINKS as I could in this low cost report. This sort of a FRONT end piece could be given away for an email addy...it could be a little 3-5-7 dollar no brainer product, it could be branded by a company, maybe TITLEIST would want it, or someone in the golf world.

                  After creating a HOTSHEET, I then have my students create a FOUR PAGE WHITE PAPER, this is just a term. Call it whatever you want.

                  Take the information on the hotsheet and build it out. Maybe include pics, graphics, graphs and charts, some research info. You want to give the prospect some more information, a few more details.

                  This can also be used for lead generation, or to sell cheaply for list building.

                  Then I have them do a 10 page report. Take the 4 page White Paper and go into detail, again fill out with more information, graphics, etc.

                  When you have 10 pages, READ it and record it. You have done some work, some research you know what is new in the golf world of DRIVERS. You can now make an audio. And if you get over your ugly looking self, you can even make a video. Honestly, you want ugly, TikTok it up. The point is you BUILD from a small start and create information products up the ladder as you go.

                  You could always BUY time, and writing expertise at one of many sites and have someone write it for you. You could repurpose some old time information in the public domain. You can use fair use for some of the most current quotes and ideas from Golf magazines.

                  But you start with a KNOWN evergreen market: GOLF.
                  You choose a KNOWN evergreen niche: DRIVERS.
                  YOU or someone researches the new, the latest, the greatest.
                  You or someone writes or talks about it.

                  You now have an audience, a group of known buyers...GOLFERS. You have researched a product they are interested in DRIVERS. Now you let this group know about it, via organic traffic, JV, paid advertising.

                  This is just ONE way, the way I teach it and go about doing it. Start small, but start fast. If you spend more than 2 days on the hotsheet, man you have already overcomplicated the whole thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Well what if...

      ...or maybe he would not put in the effort to cast a line because he KNEW no one was there to clean the fish for him? Maybe no matter what he was given or taught he would find excuses to justify doing nothing. We've all known those people who are totally excited about a new idea and manage to talk themselves out of it before they give it a try.


      abundance mindset...

      I do not have an abundance mindset - I just know if I work hard enough and think smart enough, I may be able to accomplish what I want. ....or I could find a list of reasons it won't work and decide it's not worth trying. Honestly, many times when I've done well no one has been more surprised than me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      A middle class house costs 1 million where I live.

      I would move. In fact, I've done that more than once to escape traffic congestion or high cost of living.


      "But what if" sounds like one of those folks who enters conversations with 'well, you think THAT is something, wait till you hear this"....


      Does inflation really 'come down'? Or does it just stop in one place to give people/jobs time to catch up with the new 'high'?


      All sorts of things to think about.....
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      • Profile picture of the author socialentry
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I would move. In fact, I've done that more than once to escape traffic congestion or high cost of living

        Nah. Rural areas are boring.



        I'd buy a gun and start shooting people, dogs and livestock out of sheer boredom.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    The ten thousand hour thing works fine if you are trying to master one skill at a high level . But several things require many different skills and don't need mastery for the results someone is trying to get.

    Those different skills can be acquired in different areas and combined together at a later date.

    On the other hand I don't need to turn most of the skills I learn into a way to make money if they improve my lifestyle and those of the people around me.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Oh Malcom.

      Here is a link to an article which has the actual researcher used by Gladwell in his book.

      https://www.6seconds.org/2022/06/20/10000-hour-rule/

      On a podcast by the same guy Ericsson he says the TEACHER is equally important.

      As we have seen in this thread, I think the tagiscom post where the teacher left out critical details about PPC or whatever it was.

      A mentor or coach, can help and whether there is a set number of hours needed for mastery is so dependent on the person, it has become one of those things taken for granted, but based on very little or flimsy at best scientific evidence.

      It takes the time it takes to become masterful, and maybe if 10k is the median and there is a 5k savant in the avg, some poor soul is spending 15 thousand hours or 15 years to reach his height.

      These kinds of things aren't useful, too much of this is spread around, and we see it here in the mind forum especially.

      Be a FOX Mulder, QUESTION EVERYTHING.

      GordonJ

      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      The ten thousand hour thing works fine if you are trying to master one skill at a high level . But several things require many different skills and don't need mastery for the results someone is trying to get.

      Those different skills can be acquired in different areas and combined together at a later date.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    It's useful for those who want to fill pages in a book and have stuff to speak about to an audience. But in general day to day use not so much.

    Although many of people have a mindset that treats life like they are doing time.so they think they put so much time in they should get certain results or achieve certain things.

    It doesn't matter if they have no real results for all the time invested Or spent. And they get annoyed by people who take a more forest hump path in their lives.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      OK, some guy in a book wrote that one needs to put in 10,000 hours of time to achieve mastery. This based on one study of violin players, and according to the guy who actually conducted study, he said, not so fast.

      But how about this instead. You, me, all of us have put in X number of hours in our life.

      Some of us have a LOT more hours, but even young 21 year old has had many hours put in on their own life.

      My central premise has always been, start with what you already have.

      I don't know squat about building a swimming pool, or fixing a transmission, or mountain biking. So I would not start with a product like THE BEST MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS IN AMERICA. I could, but it would mean research (time), and discussion and a learning curve. So if I did choose this, then I set myself up for the slop and mess that comes from having to learn and experience.

      But I could write about being a Mascot, or costumed character...something you know about. Having worked in a costume shop, having worn the Easter Bunny outfits, the giant rabbit with magician in his hat, and having helped my kid make a lot of money from being a mascot...I could easily write HOW TO MAKE MONEY WITH COSTUMES AND MASCOT MARKETING. See?

      I don't have 10,000 hours inside a hot costume, maybe you do from your Vegas strip days...but it is in the choosing...a violin or a harmonica? Name the top 3 harmonica players in the world? I don't know, but maybe he/she did their 10k hours, but I know a ton of people who spent a few months and can play a tune on one, whereas a few months on the violin....YIKES, please close the door.

      So, again, Mastery may involve the choices made as to the TIME it takes to achieve it.

      Sure, any Warrior can start one of the dozen or so choices, but doesn't it make sense to begin with what one knows, assesses the market, and enter at the point of least resistance vs. spending years learning how to do it. Or maybe BOTH, by starting small and growing in the spare time, while putting the main time into mastery of this or that?

      It certainly does NOT take 10k hours to start anything, and in the money making scheme, more than likely unnecessary.

      I see these as tangents to the OP, or to the idea of Obsession vs Passion, but lets get them out of the way and get into some real meat and potatoes, eh?

      GordonJ







      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      It's useful for those who want to fill pages in a book and have stuff to speak about to an audience. But in general day to day use not so much.

      Although many of people have a mindset that treats life like they are doing time.so they think they put so much time in they should get certain results or achieve certain things.

      It doesn't matter if they have no real results for all the time invested Or spent. And they get annoyed by people who take a more forest hump path in their lives.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        I don't have 10,000 hours inside a hot costume, maybe you do from your Vegas strip days...but it is in the choosing...a violin or a harmonica? Name the top 3 harmonica players in the world? I don't know, but maybe he/she did their 10k hours, but I know a ton of people who spent a few months and can play a tune on one, whereas a few months on the violin....YIKES, please close the door.

        So, again, Mastery may involve the choices made as to the TIME it takes to achieve it.

        Sure, any Warrior can start one of the dozen or so choices, but doesn't it make sense to begin with what one knows, assesses the market, and enter at the point of least resistance vs. spending years learning how to do it. Or maybe BOTH, by starting small and growing in the spare time, while putting the main time into mastery of this or that?

        It certainly does NOT take 10k hours to start anything, and in the money making scheme, more than likely unnecessary.

        I see these as tangents to the OP, or to the idea of Obsession vs Passion, but lets get them out of the way and get into some real meat and potatoes, eh?

        GordonJ
        I have probably put about 5000 hours into stock market trading over the last 5 years, and am pretty confident that l have mastered it.

        So no that 10k remark is more to flog books than anything else.

        Can l improve on that sure, but at this point l can only make small changes, since l have read several books, and did a lot of research in the first few years, then pretty much mastered techniques after that.

        I can still find insights and shortcuts, (stumbled on one this week) but for the most part it is putting candles on a cake.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Well

    I fully agree with where you are trying to go from here. In any case I'm more of an entertainer I have just been when I can figuring out how I entertain people and who responds to me. That has been part of my travels.

    My look and personality is a mix of Allen from hangover and Woody Haralson's character from the 2012 movie.. so working on the strip when I did I just managed to get in the costume that suited me and got to make money off the way I looked and the voice I always had but hated.

    The things you don't like about yourself become more acceptable while they put a roof over your head and buy you food and beer. And I went from being introverted too being able to talk to people so easily that people don't believe I was ever introverted.

    If I give advice of any kind I'll put together some character that has no trouble giving out crazy dumb sounding advice people would laugh at.

    I don't need to document the misery I have gone through my story sucks but others have far worse. But learning to improve my life from as bad as things where there is a lot of things I can entertain other people in the process of turning their lives around with. That may shorten their process by explaining how to avoid the stupid crap and unnecessary struggle and suffering.

    In any case I have managed to be mostly pain free for months and as I stated in another thread I have lost over 50 pounds sense moving back to Las Vegas. So I've built momentum in the self improvement area of my life . I'm running out of things to work on before I actually have to do something to earn money again.

    I might make another move after new year's but I have no idea where. .
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  • Jus' seen the science guys figured noocleer fyoozyun.

    Like ... gettin' more out than you put in.

    Like ... this is sum kinda noo discovry evah.

    Sweet the science wonks finally figured what goes on most days in the propulsive an' heartsy exchange buttween hoomans.

    Such is the intrinsic valyoo of myootyool conflux.

    Spermuwants might kinda blow up in yufface, kinda thing.

    What natchrl togetherables we gonna witness cum oblivion?

    I would wanna trust to zackly that stuff always whenevah we gaht a CHOICE.

    Which prolly we always gaht re: oblivion if'n eithah we cathlick or non-cathlick -- so evrywan happy!

    Anyways, seems I mebbe can incinerate pizza ad infinitum rn while also chargin' up my productive insertables.

    Yanno bcs laptops powahed by infinite fyoozyun gonna unleash incredible ditzpowah ...
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  • Thing I love so 'bout GordonJ's posts?

    They so constructively provocative evrywan can play.

    An' when we all here togethah, we gaht all kindsa smoochie gowin' on.

    An' noplace is this sweetah evah happnin' than down deep in yuh own personal vestibyool!

    See bcs you gotta figure how MILLIONAIRE an' PRODUCTIVITY an' EVEHSQUOIT GONADS can prompt you to become an all-devourin' monstah ultiametely devoid of true succor.

    For what purpose may one's energies be devoured by the inevitability of the Caahsmaahs?

    That is why I a yogah gal, trooly.

    Ritual flahpout 'pon all imaginable tableaux.

    What mattahs here is Moi, not muh trillion dollah 'ease yr deltoids like yr anal sphincter when you got the craps' WIFI-enabled yogah mat.

    What cripsness of vista may persist whenya cut out temptations ain't worth you resist?

    Gotta say, Frankie gaht it right earliah how we culchrlly fulla all kindsa schwango leeches itself direct to our EZ-AF momentum.

    What enablin' swarms of possibility may coalesce around our person?

    Evrywan alive can ask this question bcs speculation is free as a boid.

    I gotta go eat pasta now.

    I fried it musself, so if'n you nevah hear from Moi again, likely it is bcs I dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Gordon

    That is a great part of information marketing. And the technology of today allows someone to market almost for free by giving almost all their information away. But selling it in a more condensed format that someone can read through in a small number of hours instead of piecing together the content from hundreds of hours of content.

    I think one of the most prolific information marketing people right now is Peter Ziehan he has his own YouTube channel and doze multiple podcasts to sell his books but also does presentations around the world almost every other day for like 30-50k usd a pop.

    And tony robins does the same kind of model with a few tweaks when he releases a book to sell a new seminar or coaching program
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Gordon
      That is a great part of information marketing. And the technology of today allows someone to market almost for free by giving almost all their information away. But selling it in a more condensed format that someone can read through in a small number of hours instead of piecing together the content from hundreds of hours of content.
      I think one of the most prolific information marketing people right now is Peter Ziehan he has his own YouTube channel and doze multiple podcasts to sell his books but also does presentations around the world almost every other day for like 30-50k usd a pop.
      And tony robins does the same kind of model with a few tweaks when he releases a book to sell a new seminar or coaching program
      His MACRO view of the world has created a river of profits flowing his direction. His blog/newsletter is fantastic, and he travels the world reporting from his own boots on the ground. I would think this would be an example of getting to the PEAK of one's own mountaintop, planting your flag, and having the world come to see what is going on up there.

      He does present some very scary world conflict information, but he does it in a journalistic style, although he has strong opinions.

      Thanks for mentioning him as an INFORMATION Marketer. Good example.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Super good post Gordon.

    Lots of advice that is obviously from years of experience.

    A lot of times when someone wants to start something, they work everything out in their mind from beginning to end and then end up with analysis paralysis.

    It's good to plan, but we all know plans change quickly, and when you're working a future hypothetical problem out in your mind that could or could not possibly happen, you're not only adding hypothetical scenarios, but you're adding hypothetical solutions.

    What you're doing is teaching how to put the car in gear and learn as you go. Great advice.

    My saying is: "Move fast and break things"

    (although at 62 now, that kind of takes on a cautionary medical meaning haha)

    But I think your method is pretty much the same. Get started and learn.

    I read somewhere a long time ago that truly successful people are those that put money in last place when it comes to being successful. True success to them is being able to accomplish something...and the money follows. Don't know if I said that right, but I hope you get the drift.

    Another thing I like about your plan is: Often when we start something, it never ends the way we thought it would. We may start selling coffee cups and end up selling cars (for example). Or we may start thinking this widget is the greatest thing and find out nobody else thinks it is so we pivot to something that is more in demand.

    Your process allows decisions and pivots without a long drawn-out trial period.

    I read a great article today on Hubspot about minimum viable products and how to properly use them. It's a great article that fits nicely with this thread.

    Thanks for posting this. A lot of good information being shared from everyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Thanks max5ty, I like the MOVE FAST and break things concept.

      I would add, the thing to most often break, is, a bad habit...like procrastination, perfectionism, over planning.

      Let's discuss MINIMUM VIABLE PRODUCT. It is a little different for us one man band types, who don't want employees or slop and mess. The article is good, and gives some insight into how bigger companies or bigger IDEAS (like Dropbox, I actually remember that video) came about.

      But what I like to do here at WF, is...

      DOWNSCALE it. We hear a lot about UP scaling a business, but I choose to DOWN scale it.

      So MVP...I've beaten on the HOTSHEET horse, but there is another category of one page information products, and these I wrote about 2 decades ago in the Hotsheet report..these are

      PLANS
      BLUEPRINTS
      PATTERNS

      A staple of the weekly community newspapers for years and years were the RUNYAN family ads for both woodworking plans and sewing patterns. I know people who easily make their 60 thousand a year, selling patterns, for quilts.

      Today, these can be digital downloads, back in the day, the Runyans would actually send out the plans for the birdhouse, chair, or whatever via USPS mail.

      I loved buying plans from Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. My two fav mags of my adolescence were: POPULAR SCIENCE and FATE. More on these later.

      My mother was a seamstress, and she made a lot of our clothing, I loved her shirts. She, like most of my Aunts and cousins could sew, and they would exchange PATTERNS for dresses, shirts, etc. To my knowledge, sewing, knitting, needlepoint and quilting are still big niche markets, aren't they?

      So, in my mind, these are minimum VIABLE information products. I like to include MAPS, infographics, any one sheet of paper product as being MINIMAL.

      You eBay folk, do a search you'll find HUUUUGGGE markets and plans being sold, along with wall hanging blueprints, most from public domain Patents.

      There are at least a dozen people here in the Akron CANTON area, who operate remote direct marketing businesses, and most of us have come out of having worked with or for either Ben or Rick Suarez or Rod Napier. These guys are pretty much unknown, and they don't make a big noise.

      One guy, has sort of specialized in AMISH products, from balms, plans, and his ads have been widely seen...yet few would ever recognize his name. There are a lot of people, like myself, who prefer to fly low and collect the dough.

      I haven't in the past, talked to much about the Occult or Metaphysics marketplace, mainly because I didn't want any good copywriters butting in...they could have made a fortune.

      Anyhow, any WARRIOR who got started with a MINIMUM VIABLE PRODUCT, would have some feedback, some idea, some concept within that first 30 day period.

      I would love to see a map of OLD New Albany, before one man bought it up compared with NOW. That would make a good wall hanging. I wonder why more gazillionaires don't just create their own little cities. I have my eye on 10 thousand acres in NE New Mexico, a place to build Gordon Vale...might require doing more than a MVP however, but hope and dreams spring eternal, eh?

      GordonJ




      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      Super good post Gordon.

      Lots of advice that is obviously from years of experience.

      A lot of times when someone wants to start something, they work everything out in their mind from beginning to end and then end up with analysis paralysis.

      It's good to plan, but we all know plans change quickly, and when you're working a future hypothetical problem out in your mind that could or could not possibly happen, you're not only adding hypothetical scenarios, but you're adding hypothetical solutions.

      What you're doing is teaching how to put the car in gear and learn as you go. Great advice.

      My saying is: "Move fast and break things"

      (although at 62 now, that kind of takes on a cautionary medical meaning haha)

      But I think your method is pretty much the same. Get started and learn.

      I read somewhere a long time ago that truly successful people are those that put money in last place when it comes to being successful. True success to them is being able to accomplish something...and the money follows. Don't know if I said that right, but I hope you get the drift.

      Another thing I like about your plan is: Often when we start something, it never ends the way we thought it would. We may start selling coffee cups and end up selling cars (for example). Or we may start thinking this widget is the greatest thing and find out nobody else thinks it is so we pivot to something that is more in demand.

      Your process allows decisions and pivots without a long drawn-out trial period.

      I read a great article today on Hubspot about minimum viable products and how to properly use them. It's a great article that fits nicely with this thread.

      Thanks for posting this. A lot of good information being shared from everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Thanks Gordon.

    When I think of minimum viable product, I always think of a guy I've been following for years... couldn't even tell you how many years actually. Maybe 8 or 9?

    He owned a chain of furniture stores in 2007 and when the economy took a dive he lost everything. Cars, a fleet of semis, an airplane, his house, e v e r y t h i n g.

    Along with his 5 kids, he and his wife moved into a 2 bedroom single-wide house trailer.

    That's quite a drop in someone's lifestyle.

    Fast forward to today...

    don't know his worth, but I can tell you he's not hurting for money...and probably has more than most people ever will.

    So you know how he did it?

    Hot dog stand.

    When he and his wife decided to start a hot dog stand, they could only afford 2 packs of hot dogs (which is a minimum viable product concept if I've ever heard one).

    When they sold those 2 packs, his wife ran to the store and bought more.

    3 weeks later he had 3 hot dog stands.

    Today, he has a whole empire that revolves around him teaching others the business.

    A real success story, but also shows that anyone can make money if they really want to...and, it doesn't have to be an earth-shattering, brainstorming idea that took months and months to come up with.

    Just like your headlight cleaning business...there's a ton of money to be made in it. Anyone can start with almost nothing and build up to something where they never have to worry about working again...

    it can be done because I have read stories of people that have done just that.

    A little idea can really lead to big things...

    but like you suggested, it really just takes starting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      I love that example max5ty: Thanks. : ) Sometimes a simple idea/Venture can turn into something tremendous.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Thanks max5ty. I know a few early IM GURU types got into hot dog stands as absentee owners. There is a Warrior here who, in his youth, easily made the 60k a year with ICE CREAM truck, and I recall (although may be wrong), it was a van with a freezer?

      I had a report, about 18 years ago, on FOOD TRUCKS, and thought back then they were ready for a big surge...got one right, and today, it has helped more than one family out of the darkness of poverty and into the light of sustainable income.

      FOOD is a NEED. As evergreen as it gets. Last year, we wrote about the amazing fast start of Crumbl Cookies, one of the fastest starting franchises ever. Now I bet there are scores of people who may have given the hot dog stand consideration.

      The searched for stands, and maybe trailers. They looked, they may have even built a plan...and yet today, probably, 5, 10 or more years after THAT thought, here they are looking for something else.

      And your story. They started where they were at, with what they had and built on profits as they went along and figured it all out.

      Once helped a guy buy a cookie route, he operated out of a storage unit. He took over the route on profits from sales, so he had to hustle. Tiny the tow truck driver also paid for his first truck from profits and he worked his butt off to build a huge towing auto repair company.

      We need to remember BILLIONAIRE Wayne Huizenga started with ONE garbage truck, he also was paying for out of profits.

      Harvey Brody calls this; "paying for the cow with its own milk". And there are countless examples.

      What my attempt was/is in this thread is to get someone off to a FAST START, frankly, it tires me out reading about one more Warrior in his 6th year still chained to computer. I think after 6 years of IM, automated systems would (should??) be in place which allow for extended vacations if wanted.

      Maybe it is all motivation. For some.

      Execution of an idea, using the Minimum Viable Product in any of its forms, is going to beat the jumping around from here to there for over a year before landing on the pachinko slot one thinks is a good fit.

      Sometimes a good fit, with making money...is doing WHATEVER it takes to make the money.

      We do not lack of motivational and inspirational stories, thank goodness, so I would like to continue to lay down some HERE IS HOW to do it footprints in the sand, before the tide comes in.

      GordonJ

      OH, the taco guy, met at a seminar, had a taco truck in Kent, OH and several ice cream trucks, he also owned a print shop...he went belly up because he was chasing some other guy's dream (in this case Mail Order). It was the old Acres of Diamonds story, he was sitting on gold, but when chasing the better thing, that had less work and faster profits. Poor guy, should have stayed with tacos.



      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      Thanks Gordon.

      When I think of minimum viable product, I always think of a guy I've been following for years... couldn't even tell you how many years actually. Maybe 8 or 9?

      He owned a chain of furniture stores in 2007 and when the economy took a dive he lost everything. Cars, a fleet of semis, an airplane, his house, e v e r y t h i n g.

      Along with his 5 kids, he and his wife moved into a 2 bedroom single-wide house trailer.

      That's quite a drop in someone's lifestyle.

      Fast forward to today...

      don't know his worth, but I can tell you he's not hurting for money...and probably has more than most people ever will.

      So you know how he did it?

      Hot dog stand.

      When he and his wife decided to start a hot dog stand, they could only afford 2 packs of hot dogs (which is a minimum viable product concept if I've ever heard one).

      When they sold those 2 packs, his wife ran to the store and bought more.

      3 weeks later he had 3 hot dog stands.

      Today, he has a whole empire that revolves around him teaching others the business.

      A real success story, but also shows that anyone can make money if they really want to...and, it doesn't have to be an earth-shattering, brainstorming idea that took months and months to come up with.

      Just like your headlight cleaning business...there's a ton of money to be made in it. Anyone can start with almost nothing and build up to something where they never have to worry about working again...

      it can be done because I have read stories of people that have done just that.

      A little idea can really lead to big things...

      but like you suggested, it really just takes starting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        The low hanging fruit of starting in business because the key to success is starting.

        I like the stories of wealth built in not so fancy or trendy businesses.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          The low hanging fruit of starting in business because the key to success is starting.
          Getting started is important for sure Odahh. However I think it's staying with it that is the "difficult" part ... As Chris Gardner would say: "You have to be Committed and Consistent [in your actions]."
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Getting started is important for sure Odahh. However I think it's staying with it that is the "difficult" part ... As Chris Gardner would say: "You have to be Committed and Consistent [in your actions]."
            Of course, your opinions are important, but as we have seen over the last couple of years, when you Odahh start to go at each other, just for the sake of having the last word...the thread gets very far away from why it was started.

            So, try to break your ping pong habit here, OK?

            What he or she or Tony, Henry, Bill, or whomever would say, always finds a way into your comments, it would be nice to hear what J 2.0 has to say.

            The POINT of the thread is that consistency and commitment come into play BEFORE the start, at the choice, not after it has been made and the journey begins. It is the whole idea of assessment, planning followed by execution and adjustment.

            The whole concept is low hanging fruit, acted upon, built upon and fast profits...which can then be used to build other things with.

            30 days. Try to find the thing you CAN commit to. 30 days. Evaluate. 10 days, adjust or continue. 100 days is the consistent commitment.

            I have presented a doable plan. Any Warrior can follow. If the thread is over, I'll asked it be closed. But I for one, don't want to see a salvo of he said/he said.

            If you have questions or can make a comment other than quoting someone, please do so.

            GordonJ
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

              Of course, your opinions are important, but as we have seen over the last couple of years, when you Odahh start to go at each other, just for the sake of having the last word...the thread gets very far away from why it was started.
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              Actually I was just trying to be helpful: I have nothing against Odahh (or anyone for that matter) ... In my post I was just trying to offer some good advice.

              Many People start out being "motivated" and enthusiastic ... However many (most?) of them don't stay with it.

              You know what? I really like the Low Hanging Fruit Concept: And I'm sure it works for many People ... However, it doesn't apply to everyone.
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                Actually I was just trying to be helpful: I have nothing against Odahh (or anyone for that matter) ... In my post I was just trying to offer some good advice. Many People start out being "motivated" and enthusiastic ... However many (most?) of them don't stay with it.

                You know what? I really like the Low Hanging Fruit Concept: And I'm sure it works for many People ... However, it doesn't apply to everyone.
                What does apply to everyone?

                What was the good advice you offered? Staying with it? If anyone here at the WF, needs to be told they need to have consistency and commitment to make IM work for them, well, they are off on the wrong foot and in for a rough journey.

                Do you see any flaws with the 30/30/10/100 plan?

                Do you think it is wrong to do an assessment? What sort of a plan does one need?

                Help me find the good advice in this:
                Getting started is important for sure Odahh. However I think it's staying with it that is the "difficult" part ... As Chris Gardner would say: "You have to be Committed and Consistent [in your actions]."

                The whole concept of the plan presented is to avoid the DIFFICULT part, make it easy on yourself by choosing the quick results, fast profits, low hanging fruit and have SOMETHING, some success to build off of, rather than choosing a process which requires a long term commitment.

                I have a lot more to add to the thread, although it isn't mandatory, I won't lose any sleep if the thread gets closed today, no biggie thing.

                If you want to critique the plan, offer alternatives, make suggestions all that is fine and dandy, but if you just want to toss up a quote of the day from someone else, what is the point?

                An actual doable, workable plan is as helpful to Warriors as all the motivation in the Mind Forum.

                GordonJ
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                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                  Thanks for the post/Advice Gordon J. I don't have the time to comment on all of it at the moment, however I'll reply to a couple of things:

                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                  What does apply to everyone?

                  What was the good advice you offered? Staying with it? If anyone here at the WF, needs to be told they need to have consistency and commitment to make IM work for them, well, they are off on the wrong foot and in for a rough journey.
                  I think it depends on a Person's Goals/Ambitions/etc ... And where they are in Life at the moment. Sometimes when a Person has a Goal/Ambition that seems "difficult" ... I think Commitment and Consistency will definitely help.

                  Actually ― on the subject of those two Values ― I think they apply to almost all Successful Ventures. A person can't sit around hoping for "Success" and just do a couple of things: They have to be dedicated.

                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                  Do you see any flaws with the 30/30/10/100 plan?
                  No. I'm sure that different models work for different People.

                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                  Help me find the good advice in this:
                  [Getting started is important for sure Odahh. However I think it's staying with it that is the "difficult" part ... As Chris Gardner would say: "You have to be Committed and Consistent [in your actions]."
                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                  The whole concept of the plan presented is to avoid the DIFFICULT part, make it easy on yourself by choosing the quick results, fast profits, low hanging fruit and have SOMETHING, some success to build off of, rather than choosing a process which requires a long term commitment.
                  Yeah. Definitely: Sometimes seeing immediate results can be helpful.
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                    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                      OK.

                      To wrap the idea up: MY OPINION

                      It does not take 7 years, or 5 years.
                      It does not take four years or three years.

                      For a Warrior to reach a full time income and for the sake of this discussion I put a 60 thousand US dollar figure on it, or five thousand a month.

                      It is my opinion, based on working online with people for over 30 years, anyone who takes the time to start IM, working in an area they like or have skills, experience and are dedicated to the task...can reach that goal in ONE to TWO years at the most.

                      There are, however, TONS of Warriors who have proven my premise wrong.

                      It takes as long as you choose to make it take.

                      Follow whatever plan you want, or none at all.

                      Start and stop as many ideas, methods, businesses as you feel you need to.

                      I will leave it at this. ANY New Warrior who will spend their FIRST TWO weeks just reading and taking notes here and diving into the archives and going back several years, will find the HOW TO information ready to be acted upon.

                      If you want to reach a living income from IM in two years or less, it is more than doable, and here is the PROOF:

                      https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...days-ebay.html

                      And that is just one of many ways to do it.

                      Plan or act. Succeed or quote those who have, whatever you want, you get...IF...

                      GordonJ
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                      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
                        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                        MY OPINION

                        It does not take 7 years, or 5 years.
                        It does not take four years or three years.

                        For a Warrior to reach a full time income and for the sake of this discussion I put a 60 thousand US dollar figure on it, or five thousand a month.

                        It is my opinion, based on working online with people for over 30 years, anyone who takes the time to start IM, working in an area they like or have skills, experience and are dedicated to the task...can reach that goal in ONE to TWO years at the most.
                        been following along... and I cant do anything but AGREE with what GordonJ has said here... my only caveat being that it probably shouldn't take a year.

                        The biggest error I see played out time and again is the chasing of dollars vs "working in an area they like or have skills, experience and are dedicated to the task"

                        Any and every aspect of my business' started from a personal need - meaning if I would buy it,then so would others

                        Some examples:

                        Vinyl decals - I started in this because I needed 3 trucks decaled. was going to cost $300 per vehicle. Its an expense no big deal - im all about supporting local business. I just so happened to look at the cost of the machine and the materials. All in, it was right around $300, for a 36 inch vinyl cutter and the vinyl. I already had the artwork... so $300 in and I got my $900 worth of product, and the machine to produce more - kinda a no brainer in my opinion. Out the gate, the machine and materials paid for themselves.

                        Large Format Printing - I am a bit of a photographer. I was having large prints done and they were rather expensive, $200 and $300 a crack. I did my research and found I was paying $10 and $15 a sq ft for the prints and after the initial equipment expense of $2500 and we will say $500 in paper, my cost to print on my first 42 inch large format printer was $1.50 per LINEAR foot full coverage. ( thats $1.50 for the full width - 42 inches by 1 foot IE 3.5 square feet vs $35 to $52 )All i had to do was go out and sell prints, I had the machine paid off in like a month.

                        Greenhouse - started with the silly notion of growing greens for my Sons pet rabbits... grew way to much and reached out to some retailor friends of mine to see if they were interested in buying to sell what I had... Personal need turned to scale.

                        I would say ( MY OPINION ) the secret is to sell what it is you have bought, or would buy. A skinny guy selling a diet product is silly ( unless YOU the skinny guy weighed 300 lbs 2 years ago and now you are 180 ) or trying to sell forex, and you really have no clue what that is.

                        If you are going to sell a MMO ( Making Money Online ) product BUY the dang product... USE the dang product, and document using the dang product. Good bad or indifferent the process creates accountability and authority.

                        If I was personally going to go down this route I would be looking for a couple of products that are about as to good to be true as possible and document the use and failure of these products. Documenting failure is an absolute path to Authority, once you hit apon a product that actually works.

                        The contrast of this didnt work, and that didnt work but this one worked for me? oh my. We read listen and watch this all the time and dont realize it. A time tested and proven method to gain TRUST, and Authority.

                        Failure if positioned correctly, is NOT a failure, but a notch in the belt. People identify with failure long before they identify with stories of success. Success from a complete nobody screams to good to be true. Failure, Failure, Success changes the entire dynamic of perception within your target audience.

                        Counter intuitive - I get it... we are somehow programmed to hide our failures... Tony Robbins... look at his back story. Tai Lopez... look at his back story. Don Lapre ( Tiny ads guy ) go watch his infomercials... No money about to be evicted blah blah blah failure failure success.

                        We live in this lambo and mansion filled society... look at me... look how successful I am... look at my perfect life, and they are but one ounce of drama from losing it all. I would Say Tai broke that mold - ahead of its time... sitting in his garage talking about the books he reads and how he struggled and now he owns some of the biggest belly up brands in the world.

                        I personally am not a "plan first" type of guy... I act first, and plan accordingly after the point of proof of concept. In it to win it each and every time... At this point most work, but some dont. Failure in the grand scheme of things is a very cheap education...

                        in the case of IM we are talking a website build, hosting and an amount of time spent working on social media accounts. If you dont have results in say 3 months... you need to figure out what you are doing wrong. No traffic? how hard are you hitting social media? $1.80 Instagram Strategy by Gary Vaynerchuk is a tried and true method... and in 3 months of consistently following through, you will see the build in traction.

                        Have traffic and are not getting sales? you need to break down what you are doing what you are saying and how its presented. You are either NOT asking... OR you are only asking - 2 opposite ends of the spectrum, you need to find the balance - Give until it hurts then ASK
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          The low hanging fruit of starting in business because the key to success is starting.

          I like the stories of wealth built in not so fancy or trendy businesses.
          What? https://youtu.be/NN3_QR-Nv80

          A startup for dog poop DNA?

          As mentioned, Wayne Huizenga, garbage truck.
          Fred DeLuca, a sandwich shop, 2 FAILURES to start.

          YouTube? Plenty:
          https://globalnews.ca/news/1956533/m...gs-on-youtube/

          Ben Suarez, near bankrupt, finally listened to Gary Halbert and sold low hanging fruit of Astrology products. Gary himself, with the COAT OF ARMS.

          As I always do, my argument with your statement and what I would add is...

          ASSESSMENT, PLANNING and then STARTING. Just starting, is what takes the most amount of time. Assess, plan (quickly, first 30 days, sort of my whole point in the thread, eh?)...

          then EXECUTE, adjust and either continue or hit reset.

          Of all the low hanging fruit out there, can you think of one lower (laying on the ground) than INFORMATION? Everybody wants to know HOW TO do something.

          GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Here are some tools I've used to create almost instant information products to add to my InfoEmpire.

        Olympus VN-722 with Microphone.

        Dragon Speaking.

        Open office.

        I'm still grounded in the old world, meaning I carry a pen and notebook on me at all times. ALL TIMES. I feels nekkid without them.

        A lot of the time I have my Olympus voice recorder with me or near by. My method is to do a lot of reading, I still go to my local library at least once a week and read about 20 different magazines from all the sections, and peruse the new books or what has been ordered.

        Amazing to me, how this FREE resource many of us have nearby, has been forgotten and hardly ever discussed. Man the LIBRARY is a great source of ideas.

        Anyhow, I fill my mind with all kinds of different facts, data, how to from a lot of different sources, then I sleep on it, allowing my subconscious to do a thought salad toss, and give me something new to think about.

        Also whenever I see a sale of a business, or a renovation of a bldg taking place, I find out what is going in, just this week, a NEW business, a CANDLE SHOP opened on our Main Street. High rent district, a lot of money spent, looks great...we'll see if they know what they are doing or not very soon. Two years ago, I would have bet against them, but post covid, our downtown now attracts the people who may buy these things.

        Candles. YIKES. I started a candle company in the 70's, way too soon, no one wanted to pay the high cost (7 to 9 dollars) of a candle. Not even me, I stocked up on the 4 for a dollar candles when the DOLLAR TREE was still a dollar, not the buck and quarter tree.

        Anyhow, so how would I CREATE from this. Several ways, I did take pics weekly, of the thing being finished, it started with a dirt floor still there. So I documented the build out.

        Once I found it was a candle shop, well, it was something I knew about. But having not been in the game for decades, has to search on the cost of Wax today, molds, scents, colors all of that. Now I can walk down to our downtown amphitheater and sit and talk into my voice recorder, reading from my notes.

        Then when I go home, just plug it into the computer, open Dragon, and having it trained so well, it does the work of transcribing, I can go take my well deserved nap.

        An hour later, I'll have a ten to 12 page rough draft of a new product, HOW TO START YOUR OWN CANDLE BUSINESS FROM YOUR BASEMENT

        If I were smarter than I am, I would have an affiliate site set up, either give the report away or sell it for a very low cost, with the idea of taking them to my affiliate products and making moolah that way. This can easily be done in one day.

        Now not everything I talk and translate is used, but once it is written, I can always scavenge from it, for future use. But getting into the habit of talking from written notes, having it transcribed is one fast way to build a library of ideas, thoughts and concepts which can be used for profitable activity.

        GordonJ

        P.S. There might be better voice recorders now, I like mine because it has the ext. microphone port, records in mp3, and is reliable. Also, I've dabbled with other VOICE TO TEXT software, and so far, none have beaten my well trained Dragon for the job.

        I then cut and paste that into open office, add and edit, export as PDF, and WHAMO, another info product waiting to hit the newstands.
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