You can't get rich overnight

by Jamell
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These get rich quick schemes only serve to entice you to make a quick buck at the expense of your pocket book.

Let be honest . We all have methodologies we use to accomplish our marketing goals. .

Yes You have methods that work for you but that doesn't mean the exact same method will work for me.

People jump online thinking they can emulate the results of others without learning and understanding the process .

Every single one of us learn through trial and error no matter how much experience we have.

Yes some of us have more experience than others . Yes it's wise to learn from other people however our target audiences aren't the same and even if they were the consumer still wants to experience a unique marketing experience from you as opposed to sounding like everyone else .

If you sound like everyone else you are blending in which means you can't differentiate your brand from the others.
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  • Profile picture of the author oceanlogpig
    You're totally right about those get rich quick schemes - they're usually too good to be true and end up costing us more in the long run. It's important to find marketing methods that work for us individually and that we can tailor to our own unique brand and audience. Trial and error is a key part of the learning process, and it's okay to make mistakes along the way. Just remember, standing out and being authentic is the key to success in a crowded market.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jamell
      Yes they cost you a lot in the long run . Majority of the schemes are designed to upsell you which makes it even more annoying in my opinion .
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

        Yes they cost you a lot in the long run . Majority of the schemes are designed to upsell you which makes it even more annoying in my opinion .
        Well how else are you going to study upsells and marketing funnels. Would you feel cheated if you bought a product explaining marketing funnels and upsells. Then it had offer for a seminar or a course with the transcript of a seminar. Or a coaching program .
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    What is the context of your post, are you talking about specific schemes here, or just in general saying you can get rich quick?

    What is your point here?

    Which people are jumping online with that thought, of emulating success?

    And what is RICH mean?

    I will say that today, with social media, there have been many, many influencers who have gotten a lot of money in a very short period of time. Heck, Tik Tok is not that old, and within the last couple of years we've seen incredible amounts of money made by those who accumulated large audiences.

    In remote direct marketing, one ad which is a winner, and if it is a front end which makes a profit, there are many marketers hitting home runs, and doing it quickly too.

    It feels as if you are addressing a specific "these", as far as get rich quick means. Care to tell us more?

    Maybe one can make a lot of money in a short period of time, is two years quick? I think to those Warriors who have spent a decade or more struggling to survive, it might be very quick.

    I respect your opinion, but I don't know what you mean by rich or quick?

    Is it relative?

    Now on the other hand, it doesn't take that long to be earning a good job income from IM, if it is set up right at the beginning, and I suppose, that would leave almost everyone out who pursues a get rich overnight scheme, eh?

    GordonJ


    Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

    These get rich quick schemes only serve to entice you to make a quick buck at the expense of your pocket book.

    Let be honest . We all have methodologies we use to accomplish our marketing goals. .

    Yes You have methods that work for you but that doesn't mean the exact same method will work for me.

    People jump online thinking they can emulate the results of others without learning and understanding the process .

    Every single one of us learn through trial and error no matter how much experience we have.

    Yes some of us have more experience than others . Yes it's wise to learn from other people however our target audiences aren't the same and even if they were the consumer still wants to experience a unique marketing experience from you as opposed to sounding like everyone else .

    If you sound like everyone else you are blending in which means you can't differentiate your brand from the others.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Conceptually people have their own vision of what they consider as being rich. Then there is the different idea of how long it takes to build that income.

    You can get rich in one plane ride. Just if you have remote income go where that income starting as low as2000$ usd a month put you in the bracket of being rich and 3000$ usd$ Means you have a luxury apartment, a personal chef a maid and a driver. Then you can also get a few massages a week. While occasionally adding a piece of tailored clothing to your wardrobe.

    If that is something you want.

    If you are trying to compete with plastic surgeons, investment bankers, Hollywood celebrities and Silicon Valley executives. You probably have a way to go and work to do to get there.

    How you define the rich lifestyle you want effects how quickly you can get it. But there are many millionaires in California and New York who don't feel rich.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    "they" cost you a lot...schemes are designed to upsell

    Generalizations - yet you haven't answered questions asked of you....
    is this a broad compliant that YOU can't get rich overnight because OTHER marketers want to SELL you something?



    What is the context of your post, are you talking about specific schemes here, or just in general saying you can get rich quick?

    What is your point here?

    Which people are jumping online with that thought, of emulating success?

    And what is RICH mean?
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  • Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

    Yes You have methods that work for you but that doesn't mean the exact same method will work for me. .
    In many cases, that's not true. If someone makes a marketing strategy work for them......that means it works. It just might not be something you want top do, or are comfortable doing.


    Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

    Yes it's wise to learn from other people however our target audiences aren't the same and even if they were the consumer still wants to experience a unique marketing experience from you as opposed to sounding like everyone else .

    If you sound like everyone else you are blending in which means you can't differentiate your brand from the others.
    I hear this a lot.

    Being unique would matter a lot more if your prospects were aware of every single marketing approach out there. And they never are.

    It's impossible to sound like everyone else, because everyone else doesn't sound the same.

    Being unique is a plus....but only if you're also amazing.

    People don't get rich just because they are unique. They get rich because people want to give them money for what they sell. And people don't buy from you because you are unique....unless they really want what you have and they aren't aware of another option.

    Generally, you seem unique to the buyer, because they are only aware of you...and maybe a few other options.


    No buyers is aware of all the options available to them. You just have to be the best option they are aware of.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Interesting post Jamell.
    : )

    Depending on what you mean ― I wouldn't want to get "rich" overnight ... I would rather put all the time, effort, and energy into a Venture and kind of "earn" the money. Also I think it's more than just making money.
    It's mentioned a lot ― and for good reason ― however I like the concept of providing "tremendous Value" to People ... (And then asking for something in return.)

    P.S.
    There's a story about a Wealthy Dad who on his death bed leaving his Son a little note (something to the effect of): "Appreciate the value of a hard day's work."
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  • As your natchrl Princess, gotta tellya this is wahooey.

    When you born into Royalty, the cash is yours from the moment the noice cuts the cord.

    Gotta figure it is a bizzarrely unfair system.

    But we wound the clock forward back in the day, an' summa us still paradin' around in the outfits.

    (My tiara gaht plenny joolz btw, but I insist on swappin' it out for jokesy antlahs evry Christmas bcs prolly they woulda done same back in Medieval times if'n they had the choice.)

    Thing is, if'n you ain't rich, why you evah wanna be?

    If'n the internets noozscape be accurit, the loopster bloob-herd guy with the maxo dollahs cain't even whup out his tornado in the rest room without bodyguards checkin' the place for sucky assailants.

    With great dollahs comes great constrainability, it seems.

    As for happiness, if'n you payin' millions of dollahs in rehab fees, the **** you dowin' here, actschlly?

    Plz shoot yusself soonah rathah than latah, you abominable spongemeistah!

    Thing is, ground beneath feet an' sky up above can kinda stretchya out all stoopid if'n you don't watch straight.

    That is why I would wish always to ventyoore into tamara maximally wholesum an' yummy.

    Most change ain't neithah cataclizzumic nor revelatory.

    It is pulsy, it is directed, it is evident.

    You get up, you pull on your panties, you go smile at people.

    I believe it is this evryday momentum kinda grows our potential.

    Imbibe sweet. Pulse exotic. Throw a Santa on yr tiara.
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    Every single one of us learn through trial and error no matter how much experience we have.
    Absolutely right! But we have to remind ourselves often and not get discouraged.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Every single one of us learn through trial and error no matter how much experience we have.
      Originally Posted by PressRel View Post

      Absolutely right! But we have to remind ourselves often and not get discouraged.
      NO. Not at all. Nothing personal, been waging this war for decades...about absolutes, and what EVERY ONE must do, or not do, what is absolutely right...

      Granted some things are learned by the doing, and doing it wrong, so adjustment needs to take place.

      But imagine a dentist. You want her to learn by trial and error? Or would you prefer she have graduated from a dental school, preferably a real one.

      If IM is approached as if it were a profession or a career, there is a lot of trial and error that does not have to take place.

      Professionals learn and study first. They take the time to educate themselves, often at a great cost, BEFORE they jump in and make all those errors.

      The WF may be the best college of IM how not to that exists. It might be the St. Elsewhere of marketing, the Slough House of spies.

      Making money quickly...NO rules against it. Having success with IM in a short period of time...no LAW that says no.

      There isn't a good reason why one has to have a great number of trials and errors in their journey, it is all about how it is set up and gone about to begin with...which takes us to the OP, and the many flawed premises it contains, in addition to this one you so heartily agree with...there is
      the consumer still wants to experience a unique marketing experience from you as opposed to sounding like everyone else

      I'd like to see the study that supports this idea. I'm a consumer, sometimes I want a better price. And I don't know what a unique marketing experience is...but from what I do know about consumers and what they want...

      And don't want. Maybe most of them don't want to have a marketing experience at all, just a better product/service with a fair value exchange.

      NO. NO.

      NO. Not every single one of us (have to) learn by trial and error.

      GordonJ
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      Originally Posted by PressRel View Post

      Absolutely right! But we have to remind ourselves often and not get discouraged.
      Yeah I think discouragement is one of the main reasons why People give up.

      Sometimes ― even with an exceptional Plan, work Ethic, and Action ― "failure" is something People have to contend with ... (The "secret" is to learn something from it ...) As Winston Churchill said: "Success is the ability to go from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Ideally People/Entrepreneurs/etc. will succeed on their first attempts, however it doesn't always work like that. Learn something from it and keep going.

      Anyway, thanks for the post PressRel.

      [Added=]
      Thought I would share this quotation from Thomas J. Watson:

      "Would you like me to give you a formula for success, it's quite simple really: Double your rate of failure ..." (Uh, what? How can that work?) He continues:

      "You are thinking of failure as the enemy of success but it isn't at all. You can be discouraged by failure or you can learn from it. So go a head and make mistakes ― make all you can ― because that is where you find success."

      I don't know why, however when I stumbled upon that quotation several years ago I found it very inspiring/empowering.

      All that said ― when a Person has a solid Plan/Guide/Roadmap (from someone who has done it) ... They can avoid a great deal of all the "trial and error". That doesn't necessarily guarantee success, it just makes it much more likely and saves a lot of time. : )
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Your post forgets the power of positive thinking. It's big with some people around here and there.


    I have given people step-by-step instructions for various things... Some get the same results (or good enough), some end up with nothing good. So, though, in theory, everybody can learn; in practice, some cannot.



    And some get really lucky, enter a space at the right time, and think they're amazing (done that myself when I opened my real estate appraising company... had to do no marketing, no advertising, people were just chasing me... Because it was 2009 and I was in the USA. I thought it was because me being sufficiently tall, dark and handsome.



    2008 came and showed me otherwise... Lucky for me, I got into Dan Kennedy and marketing in 2006. It was rough, all the same, but it could have been a lot worse.



    Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

    These get rich quick schemes only serve to entice you to make a quick buck at the expense of your pocket book.

    Let be honest . We all have methodologies we use to accomplish our marketing goals. .

    Yes You have methods that work for you but that doesn't mean the exact same method will work for me.

    People jump online thinking they can emulate the results of others without learning and understanding the process .

    Every single one of us learn through trial and error no matter how much experience we have.

    Yes some of us have more experience than others . Yes it's wise to learn from other people however our target audiences aren't the same and even if they were the consumer still wants to experience a unique marketing experience from you as opposed to sounding like everyone else .

    If you sound like everyone else you are blending in which means you can't differentiate your brand from the others.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    You can get rich overnight but it takes an awful long time.

    And what is rich baseline is probably a million, (which barely buys you a house these days).

    I would say that rich is being able to burn 100k and not give a toss, but that is just me.

    But rich is probably being able to do virtually anything with a price tag and not have any remorse about it.

    I could probably package my Stock market Skills into a salable product but why would l if it is making me money?

    Also disclosing all of those methods l have developed over 5 years would potentially destroy some of them and water down others, or as is the case in IM and other areas the more people know the more it may not last.

    Or about the only thing l would sell is being very determined!


    If you are very determined then you will figure it out, and without destroying the systems you may find, since the vast majority are not!

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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      By your definition (1M) a lot of rich people, I know...would most certainly "give a toss" at a 100k expenditure.

      See, what we have at the mind forum, is a lot of LACK of money mindset, and some false beliefs about what rich people do, or would do. Your idea of spending 100k without a worry, is in the Paris Hilton type crowd, Neporichbabies, who inherited it. A nepotrust person never had to work for their wealth.

      Many a rich person has come out of the stock market, by being IN the stock market successfully, and leveraging their profits, NOT by selling how to info, that is left to the marketer types, not the investors. Before they became named pundits, most had success with what they did, ala Jim Cramer.

      But anyhow, the idea, that it takes a long time to get rich, however you define it, just isn't true. It may take a couple of years, but it doesn't have to take a decade. What many Warriors lack is a SAVINGS plan or an investment plan, of growing wealth over the long haul while making their moolah doing something they like to do.

      This thread, and all like it, and the majority of Mind forum participants, have a LACK mindset to begin with and use their experiences as the measurement of how hard/easy it is to reach a monetary goal...and maybe most Warriors don't even have one of those.

      The goal, will often dictate the HOW TO, the Plan of Action to get to that point.

      So, making some glue here; there is do what you love and the money will follow (I vote against this one),

      Do what you like, save and invest and grow.

      Do what makes money...and do what makes money quickly, if it doesn't violate any personal morals.

      But to say it takes years and years just doesn't bear out, especially today.

      GordonJ



      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      You can get rich overnight but it takes an awful long time.

      And what is rich baseline is probably a million, (which barely buys you a house these days).

      I would say that rich is being able to burn 100k and not give a toss, but that is just me.

      But rich is probably being able to do virtually anything with a price tag and not have any remorse about it.

      I could probably package my Stock market Skills into a salable product but why would l if it is making me money?

      Also disclosing all of those methods l have developed over 5 years would potentially destroy some of them and water down others, or as is the case in IM and other areas the more people know the more it may not last.

      Or about the only thing l would sell is being very determined!


      If you are very determined then you will figure it out, and without destroying the systems you may find, since the vast majority are not!

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      • Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        But to say it takes years and years just doesn't bear out, especially today.
        Some businesses take years and years, because of the structure of the business.

        But online? Selling something?

        The part that takes years is the constant self sabotage....then the period of not doing anything at all...then waiting...then pretending to work (I speak as an expert in this area)...then bragging about what you are going to do....then making a half hearted effort to try again. And the constant jumping at shiny objects away from what you know.

        And then one day you just decide to get to work, and a week later, you're on your way.

        At least, that's my experience.

        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


        I could probably package my Stock market Skills into a salable product but why would l if it is making me money?

        Also disclosing all of those methods l have developed over 5 years would potentially destroy some of them and water down others, or as is the case in IM and other areas the more people know the more it may not last.
        You mean because your methods are so powerful that markets would crash if word got out about your secret strategies?

        Yes....I see the danger.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Sure, some businesses do take years and years. Sticking with one one person would be Entrepreneurs, ala most Warriors, they don't have years and years to do that type of business.

          Reminds me when I got my Real Estate License, with GRI designate, and my broker told me it would take 12 years to get to 100k a year. I told him my goal was 365 or 1k a day in two years...he laughed. Then got mad, when I informed him my side hustle, OFF KEY singing telegram business was already doing 1k a day, and that mostly profit.

          I didn't last long in RE. Back then, mostly men, and brokers believed in residential "farms" for 5 years, and industrial/biz believed it took about 7 to get really good.

          From a quick money stand point, that is determined by the kind of business one wants to do. One past venture was with a Dr. who took 5 years to build his network type (it didn't start as mlm) supplement business, almost identical to one Felix the Rich Jerk did in about 18 months to the tune of millions (and legal woes).

          One big difference is most that grow a business over time (years) almost always can pay their salaries, or make a living from it AS they grow it to wealth. Few IM types can do that.

          Professionals, Drs., Lawyers, Brokers, etc. often take years to build a practice which puts them in the upper %, unlike some good salesman, who can do that in a couple of years, if they sell the right product/service.

          But for IM to take years to produce a living income? I don't buy it, that is a direct reflection on the Entrepreneur and the plan and choice they make at the start.

          What we see here at WF, are butterflies, flitting from one thing to the next...not so many taking the time to choose carefully and align with those enterprises which can and do bring in faster income.

          Years and years? NO thanks. But to each his own.

          GordonJ




          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Some businesses take years and years, because of the structure of the business.

          But online? Selling something?

          The part that takes years is the constant self sabotage....then the period of not doing anything at all...then waiting...then pretending to work (I speak as an expert in this area)...then bragging about what you are going to do....then making a half hearted effort to try again. And the constant jumping at shiny objects away from what you know.

          And then one day you just decide to get to work, and a week later, you're on your way.

          At least, that's my experience.



          You mean because your methods are so powerful that markets would crash if word got out about your secret strategies?

          Yes....I see the danger.
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          • Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            I didn't last long in RE. Back then, mostly men, and brokers believed in residential "farms" for 5 years, and industrial/biz believed it took about 7 to get really good.
            That strategy was created for agents who don't know how to sell.

            When I was 21 and started selling life insurance, I was told that it would be 5 years of cold calling and misery and then a life of easy selling. That was what was pitched in the industry.

            My first full calendar year, I as the #3 agent in the country (for that company). Was it because I was a sales genius? No. It was because I cold called for months, and then figured out a way to get sell employees of companies, and have their premium taken out of their paycheck.

            Almost nothing I learned about selling came from the company.

            But that "Starve for the first 5 years" rule was for people who thought they were in the insurance business. I figured out that I was in the "selling insurance business".

            It has always fascinated me that nearly everyone I've met in sales.....has never studied selling at all. It never even occurs to them.
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              You are right Claude, and it took us some aging to understand how a lot of the Silent/Boomer generation (I think you being on the youngest side of it) were full of horse hockey or B.S. if preferred. The whole farm, taking time, years of struggle was created, more I think, by companies/Industries that didn't know how to sell or teach. Or wanted to maintain control.

              You may have been just before the revolution of "buy term, invest the difference" of Art Williams, the Billionaire, who changed the landscape for a short while of the insurance industry. He was a disrupter, and he did help many people make a lot of money in a short period of time, maybe he was the Frank Kern of insurance (ha).

              Your point is exactly the one I make here. These Warriors who say it takes years and years, are akin to those who think they are in: the SEO business, the Affiliate Marketing business; the Copywriting biz, etc., etc. when and IF they ever get to the basic idea,


              THEY ARE IN THE SELLING BUSINESS. Period. Period. Period.

              Then it is less about years and years of struggle, and becomes more about

              Who am I selling to?

              WHAT am I offering?

              The mechanics of the transaction?

              Unlike the good old days, where we were mostly instructed by corporate idiots, the Warrior of today can make a lot of money quickly once they have accepted the fact that they are in the selling business.

              And it happens with a transaction. Between who? What? Where? and along with When and Why. Those answers don't take decades to figure out.

              They should be the STARTING point of any business. Which brings up another point, most Warriors are woefully undereducated in basic business concepts and are unwilling to spend (in their minds waste?) time on learning some of the basics first.

              We see a lot of diving in. Taking the plunge. Going all in. And the oft disaster of that action.

              GordonJ

              If you ain't selling something online, can you say you are an Internet Marketer?????




              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              That strategy was created for agents who don't know how to sell.

              When I was 21 and started selling life insurance, I was told that it would be 5 years of cold calling and misery and then a life of easy selling. That was what was pitched in the industry.

              My first full calendar year, I as the #3 agent in the country (for that company). Was it because I was a sales genius? No. It was because I cold called for months, and then figured out a way to get sell employees of companies, and have their premium taken out of their paycheck.

              Almost nothing I learned about selling came from the company.

              But that "Starve for the first 5 years" rule was for people who thought they were in the insurance business. I figured out that I was in the "selling insurance business".

              It has always fascinated me that nearly everyone I've met in sales.....has never studied selling at all. It never even occurs to them.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                Interesting discussion Claude and GordonJ:

                Reminds me of this quotation: "We are all salesmen every day of our lives. We are selling our ideas, our plans, our enthusiasms to those with whom we come in contact."―Charles M. Schwab.

                Thoughts?
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                • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  Interesting discussion Claude and GordonJ:
                  Reminds me of this quotation: "We are all salesmen every day of our lives. We are selling our ideas, our plans, our enthusiasms to those with whom we come in contact."―Charles M. Schwab.
                  Thoughts?
                  First, a point about industrial wealth. The gilded age saw men become rich, unbelievable wealth...and some might argue, on the backs of low paid, abused workers, especially in the steel, railroad, and construction industries that gave rise to their wealth.

                  Schwab basically paid for PA to form a new "Police" force, just to break strikes at his company. It can be argued, these Industrialists, also created the rise of the socialist and communist parties too.

                  Just to give a balanced and fair perspective to the men we choose to admire and use as our examples. Schwab was a brilliant, and RUTHLESS man. His brand of Entrepreneurship would be hard for some today, to admire.

                  But, he was very good at bringing people together, for GREED, until the greed got out of his control.

                  The point, however, of your post that we are always selling, I just want to contrast with his inability to sell his workers on NOT forming a union.

                  To the issue of WF, and QUICK money, or get rich quick...we have seen that is relative.

                  One Warrior wants to be able to spend 100K without a care, and that would be rich; whereas another could live like a king in parts of the world on a 10k a month income, which is not out of the reach of most Warriors.

                  So, if we accept the Schwab adage, then it would make selling an important skill to learn, and we have Claude, with some terrific books from his experiences, to learn from.

                  As for the Warrior, who wants to make money quickly...it may come down between the

                  WHO you are selling to. Or the What you are selling.

                  Owning a steel mill and a ship building company at the time the USA was spending the first great tax of DEFENSE aided in many an Industrialist to maintain their NY standings in the 400 club.

                  A Warrior can begin with a WHO? Someone with the money to spend, with a need/desire/hunger for ____________?

                  Or a WHAT, and then find the market to make your offers at.

                  I agree in the general concept of we are selling, always, whether we acknowledge it or not.

                  GordonJ
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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                    Thanks GordonJ. Admittedly ― I don't know everything about Charles M. Schwab (except what I read in "Think And Grow Rich") ― I just thought the the quotation was interesting. (And kind of makes a lot of sense IMO.) So I decided to post it for "Food for thought."
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                    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      Thanks GordonJ. Admittedly ― I don't know everything about Charles M. Schwab (except what I read in "Think And Grow Rich") ― I just thought the the quotation was interesting. (And kind of makes a lot of sense IMO.) So I decided to post it for "Food for thought."
                      Schwab died almost broke, living in a small apt, having been kicked out of his house by his wife, she being a little bit upset he fathered a child with a mistress.

                      There is an old saying, be careful not to meet your hero, for disappointment awaits.

                      TAGR is a complete RichWashing job, by a man, who many say, never even met most of those he claimed he did. It was Nap Hill worshipping the rich from afar while cashing in if he could. NOW, that may not matter. The book contains good ideas for the most part and it has the sales and testimonials for decades.

                      Many claim it was their key to unlocking their potential.

                      One thing Hill doesn't really dive into is TIMING, and how so many of those names on his list of successes, may have been in the right place at the right time and we tend to give them a lot more credit than they really deserve.

                      Right now, the TIMING is right for? AI. For the next two years, fortunes will be made off of the AI wave.

                      Three months ago, at the WarriorPlus site (nothing to do with WF), there wasn't much being sold on AI< as of today, the top sellers are all about AI.

                      Just as in USA post civil war, the rebuilding, the founding of steel mills, railroads and the US NAVY, all contributed to the massive increase in steel production, and all that came with it. War brings new fortunes with it.

                      This is not to say that men and women didn't achieve fantastic results, all I am asking is that one consider the circumstances for their wealth.

                      An historical perspective will often reveal, that their autobio, and paid for biographies may leave out a few details about the times.

                      Just as today's gurus gloss over their legal troubles, having had assets seized, having paid huge fines, some even doing time behind bars...these facts get glossed over as they make more and more money.

                      Nothing new really.

                      These uber rich types were just people. Some did have incredible skill, some had imaginations and determination, but not all of the rich of the past were that special, some just downright scoundrels; in my younger days, I really liked Chase Revel, the bank robbing, lying, cheater who founded ENTREPRENEUR magazine, one of my favorite publications.

                      From a Warrior view just be aware of who and where the good sounding sound bites come from.

                      GordonJ
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                • Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  Interesting discussion Claude and GordonJ:

                  Reminds me of this quotation: "We are all salesmen every day of our lives. We are selling our ideas, our plans, our enthusiasms to those with whom we come in contact."―Charles M. Schwab.

                  Thoughts?
                  "As soon as you lay your hands on a conversation, to steer it. It's not a conversation anymore. It's a pitch." Danny DeVito The Big Kahuna


                  This is a clip where they talk about selling...and character. I thought you would enjoy it.
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                    (Lol) Thanks Claude: I watched the whole thing. Really I think the "Human" aspect of "Sales" and "Selling"/"Marketing" really makes a diffidence. IMO ― most People can tell/sense when they're dealing with someone "honest" and who really cares ... (I could be wrong though ― just an Apprentice Entrepreneur.)
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    By your definition (1M) a lot of rich people, I know...would most certainly "give a toss" at a 100k expenditure.

    See, what we have at the mind forum, is a lot of LACK of money mindset, and some false beliefs about what rich people do, or would do. Your idea of spending 100k without a worry, is in the Paris Hilton type crowd, Neporichbabies, who inherited it. A nepotrust person never had to work for their wealth.
    Point taken but l am going with the Rolling Stones who are immensely wealthy and told one of their drivers to smash one of their limousines into a wall just to see how it would look, or for laughs perhaps.

    So totaling a car almost worth 100k since they were bored and extremely wealthy, so didn't give a toss about the money value!



    Many a rich person has come out of the stock market, by being IN the stock market successfully, and leveraging their profits, NOT by selling how to info, that is left to the marketer types, not the investors. Before they became named pundits, most had success with what they did, ala Jim Cramer.
    Agreed.

    But anyhow, the idea, that it takes a long time to get rich, however you define it, just isn't true. It may take a couple of years, but it doesn't have to take a decade. What many Warriors lack is a SAVINGS plan or an investment plan, of growing wealth over the long haul while making their moolah doing something they like to do.

    Do what makes money...and do what makes money quickly, if it doesn't violate any personal morals.

    But to say it takes years and years just doesn't bear out, especially today.
    Unfortunately it bears out on the US stockmarket, or some months make more money than others. I hate this conclusion but have to face it, strike when the iron is hot but it won't be hot all of the time.

    I know of two newbies who started out with about 10k each and lost most of it since they had beginners luck and virtually no experience.

    It does take years to master this, but a decade you probably have a point.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Some businesses take years and years, because of the structure of the business.

    You mean because your methods are so powerful that markets would crash if word got out about your secret strategies?

    Yes....I see the danger.
    Lol, no of course not, a lot of investment corporations very likely use some of my strategies but don't say anything to their client base, since they have an advantage that mainstream only has a hint of.

    Or more to the point if a quick and easy way is found to create wealth then ....bodies may step in, change legislation and is it effectively unusable or not available anymore.

    Countries don't flourish if everyone is rich, but they do if most work hard and pay high taxes.

    This gets back to the Frank Kern example were he spammed before spamming was made illegal, created a 8k list and grew it from there.

    Or the guy who leveraged 50k just before Gamestop took of and turned it into l think that he ended up with 125million. That wasn't tossing a coin there was more to it than that.

    And he didn't say a word about how he did it only that he expected it to go up but was surprised by how much.

    He knows that if he had told everyone how he did it everyone would use it and the method would be destroyed by overuse or new rules may be implemented and the method would be illegal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Shane can you pick a different story of a celebrity,athlete or rockstar wasting a chunk of money. Unfortunately any attempt to google that story leads to the magazine and not the band.

    If they where crashing the limousine to see how it looked. Where they by chance filming it to maybe put the footage in a music video or get photos for the cover of an album single.

    Maybe it was creative inspiration to write a song.

    Many of those stories that hit the press are publicity stunts. Or the are the stories of how celebrities/ rockstars and pro athletes went broke so fast.

    Then there are the stories that come of of how people committing fraud and other criminal activities spend the money.

    Adding this .much of the wealth around the world is hidden and it either socially not excepted to be flashy. Or it's dangerous. In the last 30 years there has been so much wealth created around the world with so many different ways for people to get rich. People from different cultures with different people priorities get rich and build wealth differently. There is even a different idea of what is valuable.

    Now even with globalization stalling and the economic crisis unfolding around the world because of to much debt. New technology will open ways for many more to get rich and build wealth in the next 20 years. Different from how people did it traditionally.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    I was quick to criticize this viewpoint. Mostly because there isn't any context.

    But as the thread has gone on, and we have different ideas of what rich is, and discuss time too...I thought it only fair, if I was so against this post, then maybe it would behoove me and the forum to give the other side of the coin.

    I advocate making money quickly, ASAP, as soon as you can.

    Sure, sounds good.

    But HOW?

    Not to drag this out, and to keep things dirt simple...and if you disagree, feel free to express yourself, this is only one person's point of view. Fair enough?

    My favorite story comes from Ben Suarez and Gary Halbert, two names widely recognized in marketing. Ben spent 5 years struggling (must have been an early Warrior-HA)...trying to get his mail order business off the ground. He had spent a lot of money and a LOT of time and just couldn't get it to work.

    Enter Halbert. With his ADVICE. Sell what people want to buy, not what you want to sell.

    It was advice ignored, right up to the brink of bankruptcy. As a last ditch effort, he did what Gary told him to do, sell something popular that people were already buying...in other words, sell to an existing "hungry" crowd.

    And his choice was astrology. Ben hated the idea, went against everything he believed in, except the making money part. So, reluctantly, he gave it great thought, and the result was a breakthrough ad, ASTROLOGY TODAY. It ran on the back of the Sunday comics in test newspapers, then was rolled out across the country.

    After 5 years of heartache, struggle, and failure, in a matter of MONTHS he was rich. Rich enough to end all debt, build a business which 50 years later is still going strong.

    Because...and here is the HOW TO I mentioned:

    He began to sell what people were buying.

    In the thread, I have said that Claude gave us the answer, BE IN THE SELLING business...not the SEO, IM, AI, Affiliate, eCom, etc., etc. business

    And as long as you are going to be in the SELLING BUSINESS, then it stands to reason you would want to:

    Learn how to sell. Learn how to sell REMOTELY, online, to complete strangers around the world. This involves knowing the mechanics, the basics which are:

    A product/service or OFFER as many like to call it today...that is the SOMETHING to sell.

    A prospect for the thing, preferably someone who has bought a similar thing recently.

    A PROMOTION, or as I call it, the INTERSECTION where your prospect meets your offer, and a way to take money or exchange value.

    The WAY to get rich quick, or make money fast is; Sell something they want, and keep selling them a family of the thing they want.

    Now all the tools, such as funnels and such, have been automated to the point where anyone can get started for minimum costs, and reinvest profits to scale it all up.

    In choosing your product/service/offer, many of the most experienced will tell you to start with the WHO first, and build, acquire, create your offer for them...it is faster than doing first and trying to find a market.

    Since I was quick to criticize the idea, I feel at least now, there is somewhat of an idea to counter balance it out.

    YOU can make money quickly. And now you have a dirt simple concept of the HOW.

    Questions??

    GordonJ


    Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

    These get rich quick schemes only serve to entice you to make a quick buck at the expense of your pocket book.

    Let be honest . We all have methodologies we use to accomplish our marketing goals. .

    Yes You have methods that work for you but that doesn't mean the exact same method will work for me.

    People jump online thinking they can emulate the results of others without learning and understanding the process .

    Every single one of us learn through trial and error no matter how much experience we have.

    Yes some of us have more experience than others . Yes it's wise to learn from other people however our target audiences aren't the same and even if they were the consumer still wants to experience a unique marketing experience from you as opposed to sounding like everyone else .

    If you sound like everyone else you are blending in which means you can't differentiate your brand from the others.
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


      He began to sell what people were buying.
      Business 101.

      Unfortunately, almost everybody would agree...but few get the agreement part out of their brain and put it into action.

      If you know 90% of all millionaires got that way through real estate, why wouldn't you get into real estate?

      Well, umm, you know, I just don't have the cash...

      you start out small and build your way up. Don't overcomplicate your excuses.

      I now have over 300 apartment units in 2 states. Honestly, I couldn't care any less about apartments or real estate...but it's an investment that took years to build up.

      You don't need to start with multi-million dollar apartment complexes...start with a house you need to remodel and go from there...

      but, most won't even start small because they're chasing other shiny ideas that just may, maybe, possibly, who knows, be a winner. And in all honesty, it took me a few years to get it through my hard head that not everybody cares or wants what I had to sell. Find a product that people want.

      I'm not trying to make this post about real estate...just using it as an example of what is proven to work.

      You can try to sell Tea Cup Pigs all day, but it's probably not a million-dollar idea...

      then you'll wonder how to write your copy better, or why your ads aren't working. Obviously, this is just an example and I have no idea if Tea Cup Pigs sell well...the point is, if you want to make a lot of money you go where the money is.

      There's nothing wrong with having a hobby and working on that...but don't expect to always get wealthy from it. If you're happy just making pocket change, that's ok too.

      Find the products/services/investments that make money and you'll make money.

      It may not always be what excites you...but once you have cash coming in you can pursue your hobbies.

      I've worked on projects that were so boring to me that I wondered how anyone could possibly care about the crap...but guess what? People were buying it and making someone wealthy.

      So so so so so many people will agree that you need to sell what people want...but so so so many people don't take their own advice.

      Thanks for that post. It's a subject that could go on and on.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
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        Unfortunately, almost everybody would agree...but few get the agreement part out of their brain and put it into action.

        If you know 90% of all millionaires got that way through real estate, why wouldn't you get into real estate?

        Well, umm, you know, I just don't have the cash...

        you start out small and build your way up. Don't overcomplicate your excuses.

        I now have over 300 apartment units in 2 states. Honestly, I couldn't care any less about apartments or real estate...but it's an investment that took years to build up.

        You don't need to start with multi-million dollar apartment complexes...start with a house you need to remodel and go from there...
        I know it has become a cliche to hear about how some millionaire celebrity bought this property and then sold it years later for a few million in profits.

        but, most won't even start small because they're chasing other shiny ideas that just may, maybe, possibly, who knows, be a winner. And in all honesty, it took me a few years to get it through my hard head that not everybody cares or wants what I had to sell. Find a product that people want.

        I'm not trying to make this post about real estate...just using it as an example of what is proven to work.

        You can try to sell Tea Cup Pigs all day, but it's probably not a million-dollar idea...then you'll wonder how to write your copy better, or why your ads aren't working. Obviously, this is just an example and I have no idea if Tea Cup Pigs sell well...the point is, if you want to make a lot of money you go where the money is.
        Tea cup pigs wouldn't make you rich!

        Went through that phase and found out that Chinese imports with very talented artists could sell at wholesale twice as cheap as l could, (dinner sets that look like Tulips, Elephants, etc).

        Doing what l loved and living in abject poverty a month away from being thrown out on the street since l couldn't pay the rent, (classic artist life) nope!

        There's nothing wrong with having a hobby and working on that...but don't expect to always get wealthy from it. If you're happy just making pocket change, that's ok too.

        Find the products/services/investments that make money and you'll make money.

        It may not always be what excites you...but once you have cash coming in you can pursue your hobbies.

        I've worked on projects that were so boring to me that I wondered how anyone could possibly care about the crap...but guess what? People were buying it and making someone wealthy.

        So so so so so many people will agree that you need to sell what people want...but so so so many people don't take their own advice.

        Thanks for that post. It's a subject that could go on and on
        True, do what bores you and the money will follow.

        Projects that have border restrictions or are hell to send though the post or have some restriction of some kind putting a ceiling on your earning potential are projects to be avoided. Doesn't matter how much you love doing it, love doesn't translate to wealth it does translate into loving it and losing all sense of time, but not big wads of cash.

        Online businesses involving digital products pretty much have no restrictions on earning potential, nor Stock market trading, and most may think that pressing keys all day isn't hard work like digging a ditch, but l beg to differ.

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        • Profile picture of the author max5ty
          tagiscom -

          You may be doing something you don't like...but still working on something you love.

          Example: You hate writing a book...but you've done a proof of concept and will love making money on it.

          If what you love is making money and succeeding, then no matter what you do to make the money, you're still working on something you love. I know that's a very brief explanation, but if you think about it long enough it'll make sense.

          Speaking of proof of concept...

          it's something most ignore.

          Back to the book example: Someone spends weeks and months and maybe years writing a book...then they offer it for sale to a dismal opening.

          Proof of concept is when you see if anybody cares about your book before you start writing it.

          Throw up a 1-page lander. Sell what you're planning on doing and have people sign up to be notified when it comes out...or presell the book, etc.

          Run ads to your proof of concept and see if you're wasting your time on the idea.

          It's a lot cheaper and time-saving to run ads to a proof of concept than it is to spend all the time building it and trying to advertise it...only to find out it's a dud.

          Lack of doing a proof of concept is why you'll see people frustrated their ads aren't working...then they wonder what they're doing wrong.

          People are doing proof of concept on crowdfunding every day. 1-page landers are used by market-savvy people every day for proof of concepts.

          People will take weeks to build a website and have no idea if it will work.

          Weeks, months building software...

          products...

          It goes along with the saying I've used before: Move fast and break things.

          Heck, you can do 4, 5, or 10 proofs of concepts at a time and maybe end up with a couple of good money-makers. Of course, you'll do your research to determine if your proof of concept has merit.

          Why not do what smart successful marketers do?

          Want to start a local offline business? Do a proof of concept. Throw up a page and see if there's any interest.

          Want to start a local coffee shop even though there are already 35 in town? Do a proof of concept and sell 300 subscriptions for $49 a month for all the free coffee you can drink. That's 15K a month you're already bringing in on opening day.

          One last thing...

          you can do a proof of concept and also do a quick survey which gives you valuable feedback.

          So, I'm probably getting away from the subject too much (my mind wanders), but, proof of concept is something that works and could probably have a couple of threads just on the subject.
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Thanks max5ty,

            You wrote:
            So, I'm probably getting away from the subject too much (my mind wanders), but, proof of concept is something that works and could probably have a couple of threads just on the subject


            Au contraire, mon frère...you are getting us closer to understand the HOW one can get rich overnight...whatever rich means. In your post you address the
            build it (write it) they will come (buy) FALSE concept too many new Warriors follow.

            Yes, too little discussion on "proof of concept", in the olden mail order days, there was dry testing, until it was frowned upon by alphabets, I love the modern Internet way as you describe to test proof of concept.

            I like people I work with to use gumroad to test their proof of concept.

            A lesson I learned in the 70's, about HOTSHEETS from a pretty well known marketer, was to use a hotsheet to gather names, and it works ONLINE much better. You can give your little hotsheet away to list build or charge a small fee to get buyers, and then within the hotsheet or short report, you can link to either offers or continue to build the relationship.

            As you mention, one can be testing proofs of concepts on several things at a time and that IS a short cut to riches. Once we discovered that only 1 in 7 of our offers were winners, it became a numbers game. Even if you get to 12 fails in a row, 13 and 14 could more than pay for all the testing.

            Along with your "move fast and break things", someone in a hurry to make money quickly might want to also "break a lot of things" simultaneously.

            I think PROOF OF CONCEPT is a perfect fit for a thread about getting rich quick, or at least making money ASAP. I would bet all the Warriors who accept the idea of the OP, are also the ones who have never tested their ideas first.
            Proof of concept is a SHORTCUT, one which most don't even know about, thanks for bringing it up.

            GordonJ



            Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

            tagiscom -

            You may be doing something you don't like...but still working on something you love.

            Example: You hate writing a book...but you've done a proof of concept and will love making money on it.

            If what you love is making money and succeeding, then no matter what you do to make the money, you're still working on something you love. I know that's a very brief explanation, but if you think about it long enough it'll make sense.

            Speaking of proof of concept...

            it's something most ignore.

            Back to the book example: Someone spends weeks and months and maybe years writing a book...then they offer it for sale to a dismal opening.

            Proof of concept is when you see if anybody cares about your book before you start writing it.

            Throw up a 1-page lander. Sell what you're planning on doing and have people sign up to be notified when it comes out...or presell the book, etc.

            Run ads to your proof of concept and see if you're wasting your time on the idea.

            It's a lot cheaper and time-saving to run ads to a proof of concept than it is to spend all the time building it and trying to advertise it...only to find out it's a dud.

            Lack of doing a proof of concept is why you'll see people frustrated their ads aren't working...then they wonder what they're doing wrong.

            People are doing proof of concept on crowdfunding every day. 1-page landers are used by market-savvy people every day for proof of concepts.

            People will take weeks to build a website and have no idea if it will work.

            Weeks, months building software...

            products...

            It goes along with the saying I've used before: Move fast and break things.

            Heck, you can do 4, 5, or 10 proofs of concepts at a time and maybe end up with a couple of good money-makers. Of course, you'll do your research to determine if your proof of concept has merit.

            Why not do what smart successful marketers do?

            Want to start a local offline business? Do a proof of concept. Throw up a page and see if there's any interest.

            Want to start a local coffee shop even though there are already 35 in town? Do a proof of concept and sell 300 subscriptions for $49 a month for all the free coffee you can drink. That's 15K a month you're already bringing in on opening day.

            One last thing...

            you can do a proof of concept and also do a quick survey which gives you valuable feedback.

            .
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            • Profile picture of the author max5ty
              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

              I like people I work with to use gumroad to test their proof of concept.
              I've noticed a lot of people using gumroad on product hunt...even if it's for something free. I'm guessing it's an easy way to capture data?

              The whole POC is really just about saving time and money (famous infomercial line).

              I think we all know stories of people who have spent months working on a project and then finding out they had the whole concept wrong...or the public was looking for another approach...or most would-be buyers thought this or that should have been included to make it better...

              You can actually find a problem that 100% of everybody has...but 0% of anybody is willing to pay a dime to fix it.

              The POC method can answer so many questions.
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                This year, I am working with only 4 people, out of 21 that "applied", to take them to a 5 thousand dollar a month recurring income by the end of the year. All are on track to do that. May not qualify as "rich", but I'd wager it is better than most new Warriors are going to do.

                5k monthly = 60k a year, part time, recurring income.

                The first assignment is to have a PRODUCT for sale within the first 10 days, and I chose gumroad because it is easy and does it all for the beginner. Simple no code web site, ability to take money and deliver a digital product. It really doesn't get any easier.

                It is also a marketplace, albeit, one of the lesser known ones. But 10 days to first product, then one a week for a month. If they do this part, then we examine the track, the path they are on and take on the other elements. It will take most of the year to get to the 5k recurring income, and that from building a list of buyers and a continuous creation/addition/expansion process.

                With sites like Gumroad, and many others out here, it strips away all excuses from people who aren't making it in IM.

                I would also bet the OP, and those who agree with him, that they don't have a mechanism in place to create/acquire products and a system set up to sell them.

                Gumroad is just one way to test the concept, get some proof, MOSTLY proof these guys CAN create a product and have it in the marketplace, quickly. FAST.

                But if anyone prefers to take it slow and use years and years, that is a choice, eh?

                GordonJ



                Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

                I've noticed a lot of people using gumroad on product hunt...even if it's for something free. I'm guessing it's an easy way to capture data?

                The whole POC is really just about saving time and money (famous infomercial line).

                I think we all know stories of people who have spent months working on a project and then finding out they had the whole concept wrong...or the public was looking for another approach...or most would-be buyers thought this or that should have been included to make it better...

                You can actually find a problem that 100% of everybody has...but 0% of anybody is willing to pay a dime to fix it.

                The POC method can answer so many questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    tagiscom -

    You may be doing something you don't like...but still working on something you love.

    Example: You hate writing a book...but you've done a proof of concept and will love making money on it.

    If what you love is making money and succeeding, then no matter what you do to make the money, you're still working on something you love. I know that's a very brief explanation, but if you think about it long enough it'll make sense.

    Speaking of proof of concept...

    it's something most ignore.

    Back to the book example: Someone spends weeks and months and maybe years writing a book...then they offer it for sale to a dismal opening.

    Proof of concept is when you see if anybody cares about your book before you start writing it.
    True when l developed my software, (put up a WSO here) for the best Underconstruction WP App available all l did was study all of my competitors that were clearly selling them and put all of their best ideas into one package, (ideas only).

    #1 Best graphics, (well l did enjoy that part but outsourced most of it).
    #2 Best backgrounds, (image, or product replicated over the background, etc).
    #3 Best social media aspect, (had Facebook, Twitter and so forth options down the bottom and a feed option of course).
    #4 And put in someone very few of my competitors were using, or a link option that would stop at a certain stage of the large countdown timer to the ? launch time.

    Anyone could do that, but even though l made over 1k in profits most of that was for affiliate's, and l eventually had to close down the offer as spammers using Giraffe sites to siphon credit card numbers and using that to steal my product was getting too much in the end, (PayPal doesn't refund that on occasions and that kills profits).

    I know, l know if l had got my team of programmers in India to do a series of related products it could have been a viable business, but back then l thought that one product would make me rich, but it is a bit more involved than that.

    Agreed loved the money, loved the sense of achievement and loved the positive feedback here, losing a sense of time, only when doing the graphics.

    I guess l just laid out here how to make money online, but hey my business these days is online trading so l am happy to spill the beans and kick the can down the road.

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  • Profile picture of the author snicky54
    Problem is that once the course is available to the public, the trick or trend is already 90% on the way out.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by snicky54 View Post

      Problem is that once the course is available to the public, the trick or trend is already 90% on the way out.
      ????????????

      Anyhow.

      Techniques can be new, then they aren't. A trend can retain a core group of advocates.

      I don't know, or care for that matter, what this post is about...but I will further the discussion in spite of it.

      Two years ago I wrote a report about a TIDAL WAVE trend that was coming, it was about the legalization of Sports Betting in OHIO. It started this year, and in Jan. Broke all kinds of records for sports betting. We instantly became the number 1 sports betting state...for awhile anyhow.

      One can cash in on TRENDS, or growing audiences/participants if one tunes into the cycles. Today it is PICKLE BALL. 30 years ago it was RACQUETBALL. In Europe, they are picking up Racketball, and squash remains popular in some circles as does badminton. All retain a core group, a niche market if you will.

      Golf has had up and down cycles. Today the LIV tour has disrupted the game, and actually has helped spur new interest. A trend? We'll see.

      As for making money quickly, with either trends or CYCLES, you just have to place yourself on the track and let the train run you over.

      Every 4 years in USA a ton of money is made on elections; signs, buttons, postcards all things political marketing...a very lucrative recurring cycle.

      As for courses, uh, "running their course", reaching market saturation and the point of diminishing returns goes...this is where the concept of the PARADE OF LIFE comes in.

      Just as in life we go from cradle to casket, and along this journey we go into and through many different markets and niches, a savvy marketer sets up for longevity by offering water stands along the marathon runners' routes.

      Or a food truck in the middle of a starving crowd, if you prefer.

      Trends, cycles and events coming can all be wonderful sources of income IF one takes the time to do a full evaluation and understands the market and the customers.

      So, whatever the post means, we can try to spin some gold from this straw, can't we?

      TRENDS, cycles, the Parade of Life all are opportunities to make some pretty fast cash, eh?

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Jamell
        I don't know what's your definition of fast cash but I agree that money can be made off of trends so to speak .
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          Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

          I don't know what's your definition of fast cash but I agree that money can be made off of trends so to speak .
          Anyhow...

          Those wanting to get rich faster, as quick as they can.

          Help the rich get richer, it is an evergreen needy, greedy marketplace that has the money to spend.

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    • Originally Posted by snicky54 View Post

      Problem is that once the course is available to the public, the trick or trend is already 90% on the way out.
      GordonJ handled this nicely.

      But I can't help myself.

      Only the most event centric courses are irrelevant by the time they come out.

      For example, there was a sales book written about selling during the pandemic.

      A brilliant idea, that I wish I had thought of. And of course, the book sold like hotcakes...

      ....for about a year. And now, it won't sell anymore...and neither would a course, based on that premise.

      Some internet marketing courses are centered around a technology that is essentially a fad. It burns brightly for several months...and then burns out.

      But the majority of subjects about making money are almost evergreen.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by snicky54 View Post

      Problem is that once the course is available to the public, the trick or trend is already 90% on the way out.
      Agreed, and some push strategies that are thrashed. I did a PPC course that was thrashed and very expensive to test and the founder even tested a campaign for a successful product after months of members asking for it, and it bombed.

      Typically by the time mainstream learn about it it is thrashed and virtually useless.

      If mainstream catches wind of anything that is quick and easy it doesn't last long.

      The elites use a system til it is too hard to use then package it boasting about what they made from it and make more money.
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        You made some good points. Once the trend or fads get popular they become over saturated because a lot of people start using the same method which will make the methodology genetic .
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    "Mainstream" are the folks who don't want to buy anything until others tell them whether it 'works' or not. They don't want to be 'first' because something might go wrong.


    And by the time they make up their mind to try a process or method....it may well be overused and old news.


    It never occurs to those in the 'mainstream' that simply tweaking or updating a process might make it 'work' again. Mainstream prefers to wait for the next 'new' product or process and then wait to 'see if it works' for others....and the cycle repeats.
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    • Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      "Mainstream" are the folks who don't want to buy anything until others tell them whether it 'works' or not. They don't want to be 'first' because something might go wrong.
      Flipside, you gaht people coatin' their nipples in loominous paint bcs the science they read says it will increase their IQ by 5%.

      I believe these people are called "early a-dupestahs".
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        Yes the early adapters sometimes capitalize off of the early opportunity .
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      Good observation . Main stream is not forward thinking and innovative .
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    Jamell - are you using the 'modern view'? It results in 'serial posting'


    Put your cursor over your forum name in the black toolbar above and look at the dropdown menu - in the 'gold box' if it says 'view classic' - click on that to get ot the more usable forum discussion style where you can quote the person you are answering.


    Yes the early adapters sometimes capitalize off of the early opportunity .
    Aren't they also the ones who usually create or recognize the opportunity?
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    • Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


      Aren't they also the ones who usually create or recognize the opportunity?
      Actschwlly, early adaptahs is a soopah cool typo in this respect.

      Adopt presupposes the adoptable, trad to startup.

      Natchrlly, if'n you early in on the startup, you gaht fyootyoore prescience.

      But if'n you startin' up sumthin', aintcha an early adaptah?

      First to break out from a model or format dun its time an' nowan knows yet?

      Gotta contrast also with a fearly adoptah.

      Yanno, jus' knucklin' down an' gowin with what evrywan says bcs you don't do that, they shoot you in the tits.

      What do YOU think of my ideahs?

      You a NEARLY adoptah?

      Or a COME HITHERLY adoptah?

      rn I don't cayurre whatchya are bcs it is Eastah.

      Tellya, I eaten half muh body weight in chocklit fancies & am behavin' abominably as a non-resurrectional phenomenyoolwn.

      Searly adoptah.

      Hurly adoptah.

      Helicuptah.

      rn anythin' goes, kinda typose.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


      Aren't they also the ones who usually create or recognize the opportunity?
      Creators may not be able to cash in, although the ones that do, usually cash in big.
      Adopters, may see the opportunity with a different market, or niche.

      As for the fast cash, maybe even the get rich quick possibilities one who thinks MARKET FIRST, will be the one that makes the dough faster. The creator, usually, has spent their TIME and money to bring the idea out...but just like most inventors, they don't understand how to market their invention.

      A trend, like the growing NFL broadcasting contracts, and legal sports betting now allowed in many states represents a trend of time, as opposed to a new thing.

      So, I just want to look at these separately too.

      And I'll give some examples. Bill Myers was an early adopter of Internet Membership sites, back in the late 90's he was charging $1,000.00 for membership in his IDEA BANK group, and started every year off with tens of thousands of dollars in his personal bank account. But Bill was also a creator.

      One of his creations was his MEMBERGATE software, which allowed people to create member sites easily, with a push button effect. Those early adopters also became affiliates for the software, allowing them to cash in three ways; their own members site, building for others, or commission on those who bought the software.

      Today, 25 years later, there are tons of membership softwares, yet, we can still see some of them being operated on MemberGate, some of those have been around two decades pumping cash to those early adopters.

      The thing some of these Warriors are talking about, come out of that get rich quick mindset to begin with, and shiny objects, etc,, etc. and it usually is some guru's latest, and greatest...and THOSE kinds of opportunities do indeed reach saturation and become ineffective.

      But that, for the most part, is succumbing to COPY, buying into the big promise of IF I DID IT, SO CAN YOU, JUST FOLLOW THE FORMULA, and then toss in an affiliate aspect and we can see why so many Warriors, who just jump in, dive head first into the shark infested IM waters, spin their wheels for years in their money quest.

      Since the OP never defined RICH or QUICK, there is ample evidence that YES, one can make money quickly, get fast cash, and for some who take the time to assess the opportunities...can indeed, get rich quck too.

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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Well i am amazed on how people sell courses on how you can make 1000 daily for 50$ or 100$
    Do you think if they was making 1k daily they will lose a lot of time to promote their course of 100$ online
    Hell no
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      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      Well i am amazed on how people sell courses on how you can make 1000 daily for 50$ or 100$
      Do you think if they was making 1k daily they will lose a lot of time to promote their course of 100$ online
      Hell no
      Hell YES, Considering it may take only a couple of hours to get an ad done...and if you are outsourcing, probably only MINUTES of time.

      How long did it take you to create your sig file link, to what appears to be a sales promotion used by many affiliates? Not more than a click of a button, eh? I wonder how many are making the 150 daily selling 27 and 37 dollar "courses" as you say they can do in said sig file??

      There are Warriors using the same WSO pitch they created YEARS ago, and it takes them no time at all to keep it posted...so go ahead and be AMAZED...

      but the truth, and FACTS are, once a promotion is posted up, it takes very little time and so NO one is losing time by doing it, HELL NO they aren't.

      GordonJ

      ADDED...there are those affiliates even using Clickbank, that are affiliates of programs with 50% and more, often up to 75% commission or affiliate pay. AND many offers into the hundreds of dollars, but at 50 dollars, an affiliate would only need 20 sales a day to reach that 1k. And most often, they promote several different all at once...so even in the field you chose to work in...there are those making 1k a day, mostly by offering things which pay only 50 or 100 bucks. Just one more chance to say HELL YES (one more thought and I gots a country song).
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Rinse and repeat is interesting... I fundamentally use rinse and repeat on the daily. Every business i have run in the last oh jeeze forever has basically started and run using the same steps - regardless of vertical or product or whatever - a business is a business is a business.

      I will say this - my "Steps" in about no way shape or form apply to Internet Marketing. the basic of basic formation steps do but the whole thing falls apart on the step of determining demand.

      Start searching online to determine "Demand" and all you will see is people filling the demand... its simply hard to get a grasp on the actual demand - online.

      So the average person, might even say, the above average person is going to go with - if there are people answering the question, then there is demand - how can I make the approach unique. And the reality is most have no clue what the actual demand for the item or the service is - not a clue. If others are selling it, I will too.

      We see this played out on the forum more than often... "whats hot right now?" or when there is talk about Evergreen Niches such as health and beauty. Said niche rakes in billions a year - you cant go wrong. Has absolutely nothing to do with actual demand of a specific item or service.

      I will say this, Rinse and repeat requires an amount of... what Adam Savage ( mythbusters ) calls "institutional Knowledge". Time plays a factor in this, experience and above all else understanding through a process what worked / is working and what is not working. the later being the biggest hang up in the entire principle overall.

      Just starting... you simply have no clue what is is is not working. Same applies with things like A/B testing etc etc hard to know what to test if you dont understand what is failing or could be improved.
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      • Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        I will say this - my "Steps" in about no way shape or form apply to Internet Marketing. the basic of basic formation steps do but the whole thing falls apart on the step of determining demand.

        Start searching online to determine "Demand" and all you will see is people filling the demand... its simply hard to get a grasp on the actual demand - online.
        Yup. There is the demand...and then there is the deeper demand....what the need really is, below the needs that are obvious.

        We all know the "Nobody needs a quarter inch drill, they need a quarter inch hole".
        But is that the real desire? Are they just going to drill holes until they get exhausted?
        No. They don't want a hole. They want to mount shelving. They want a place to hang their tools.

        The drill...and the holes...are just steps along the way.

        Do business owners and salespeople want more sales? Sure. But what need does that serve? More money? Sure....but it's deeper than that.

        What do they want? Certainty. They want less stress and more status that more sales will give them.

        If you infiltrate your appeal with the fact that more sales will cause less stress...and they will also gain more status......they are more likely to buy.

        Every other marketer is just stating more sales. But they aren't grabbing the prospect by the heart and asking "But why?"....and then "But why?" again.

        I absolutely love hearing myself talk.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


          If you infiltrate your appeal with the fact that more sales will cause less stress...and they will also gain more status......they are more likely to buy.

          Every other marketer is just stating more sales. But they aren't grabbing the prospect by the heart and asking "But why?"....and then "But why?" again.

          I absolutely love hearing myself talk.
          ...so not a moral vacuum?

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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Yup. There is the demand...and then there is the deeper demand....what the need really is, below the needs that are obvious....

        If you infiltrate your appeal with the fact that more sales will cause less stress...and they will also gain more status......they are more likely to buy.

        I absolutely love hearing myself talk.
        We (well some of us) love hearing you talk too, keep chatting away.

        Thanks for a new project, HOW TO INFILTRATE THEIR WALLETS VIA THEIR LIZARD BRAINS AND ELEPHANT HEARTS.

        My word of the day is infiltrate. I love it. Today, in about a week, a new Warrior can learn the basics of influence and persuasion, then maybe after two decades, come to understand human behavior.

        I think MOST IM folk are clueless as to demand, as savidge4 sez, and most have no idea about the reason behind the reason for buying. Good news is, if you take the time to select your TARGET MARKET carefully, and find a matching product, you don't have to know or do too much.

        In savidge4 post (below), he makes a point about demand, and how so many, especially IMers follow the herd, and that is an approach that works for the more experienced person who does have the experience to know what is not working.

        In the Evergreen markets, we see there is a PARADE OF LIFE, and it enables a company to maintain a long time hold on the market place, like JOHNSON'S BABY SHAMPOO, the best seller for decades, with no one even close to it. Although, there are dozens of other baby shampoos, and many are TARGETED toward a particular niche, or group.

        So, one can carve out a nice slice of an Evergreen niche, if, or IF (a big if), they can get to the deeper demand as Claude alludes.

        The easiest route for a new Warrior is to join the parade, just step off the curb and march with the band, so as to start the education...so that is why they want HOT or trends, or follow the IM guru so often, because they don't know what they don't know.

        Institutional knowledge most often comes with time spent in the institution...in the old days we would "apprentice" with the skilled worker to learn the trade, but today, well, it is the reason why we see and hear so much about AI.

        Mrs. Davis (the only good show on Peacock), is about the future when AI (Mrs. Davis in US, Mom in Britain and Madonna in Italy)...runs our lives and gives out wings for our accomplishments. I'm surprised she doesn't pay in Crypto. Anyhow, sorry for the TV brain reference...I love all AI futuristic contents.

        To the point of making money quickly, I'll have to find it, the savidge4 STEPS he talks of here, he has outlined and given to us before. When I find it (or if he knows exactly where)...I'll post a link. Some of the best how to info at the WF.

        GordonJ





        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        Rinse and repeat is interesting... I fundamentally use rinse and repeat on the daily. Every business i have run in the last oh jeeze forever has basically started and run using the same steps - regardless of vertical or product or whatever - a business is a business is a business.

        I will say this - my "Steps" in about no way shape or form apply to Internet Marketing. the basic of basic formation steps do but the whole thing falls apart on the step of determining demand.

        Start searching online to determine "Demand" and all you will see is people filling the demand... its simply hard to get a grasp on the actual demand - online.

        So the average person, might even say, the above average person is going to go with - if there are people answering the question, then there is demand - how can I make the approach unique. And the reality is most have no clue what the actual demand for the item or the service is - not a clue. If others are selling it, I will too.

        We see this played out on the forum more than often... "whats hot right now?" or when there is talk about Evergreen Niches such as health and beauty. Said niche rakes in billions a year - you cant go wrong. Has absolutely nothing to do with actual demand of a specific item or service.

        I will say this, Rinse and repeat requires an amount of... what Adam Savage ( mythbusters ) calls "institutional Knowledge". Time plays a factor in this, experience and above all else understanding through a process what worked / is working and what is not working. the later being the biggest hang up in the entire principle overall.

        Just starting... you simply have no clue what is is is not working. Same applies with things like A/B testing etc etc hard to know what to test if you dont understand what is failing or could be improved.
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          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          To the point of making money quickly, I'll have to find it, the savidge4 STEPS he talks of here, he has outlined and given to us before. When I find it (or if he knows exactly where)...I'll post a link. Some of the best how to info at the WF.

          GordonJ
          Im going to assume the post mentioned would be about the greenhouse? I think I have posted the steps a few times but that is the only instance i can think of and i have no idea where that might be.

          I think - the interesting aspect of my "Steps" is where it begins - self necessity or self need. I obviously need it... how many other people feel they need it? demand right? is there enough demand to reach a level scale and viability?

          I strictly follow "Need" vs "Want". often times there are fine lines in this... the further you slide to "Want" the more things get wonky. Weight loss as an example There are those that NEED to lose weight - these people are going to be motivated in doing so. Then there are those that "Want" to lose weight while sitting on the couch going whoa is me and muching down a bag of potato chips.

          The separation of the words "Need" and "Want" in sales copy... is tremendous. The outcomes between those words are tremendous.

          And again there are fine lines within the terms. People may "Want" to be better at something - you then "Need" this product to do this. nuanced and tricky.

          "Want" more sales you "Need" this... vs "Need more sales - this gets you there,
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Maybe steps is wrong, it was a "process"?

            You have dropped so many gold nuggets here, it is sometimes hard to find where I hid them. Even with your own folder on my desktop, there is a lot to go through.

            I need to get better organized (as I have been saying for the last 4 decades)..

            You are spot on about NEED, and to relate how your bunny to greenhouse story relates to Harvey Brody... he repaired typewriters in college and couldn't find a way to cleanly oil the keys in the back, so he added a flexible straw...and that is how the ZOOM SPOUT oiler came to be.

            Now, over 60 years later, and having sold hundreds of million units of oil with a flexible spout, his is mostly an automatic reorder process. And his customers order thousands of units at a time.

            The old saying about necessity being the mother of invention holds up. Need to feed the bunny...and it starts adding up...well, who knows where that would lead.

            The difference between You, Harvey and most people, they may see the need, but they don't ACT on the need.

            Is it right to say that Need + Action = Potential Profits?

            GordonJ

            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            Im going to assume the post mentioned would be about the greenhouse? I think I have posted the steps a few times but that is the only instance i can think of and i have no idea where that might be.

            I think - the interesting aspect of my "Steps" is where it begins - self necessity or self need. I obviously need it... how many other people feel they need it? demand right? is there enough demand to reach a level scale and viability?

            I strictly follow "Need" vs "Want". often times there are fine lines in this... the further you slide to "Want" the more things get wonky. Weight loss as an example There are those that NEED to lose weight - these people are going to be motivated in doing so. Then there are those that "Want" to lose weight while sitting on the couch going whoa is me and muching down a bag of potato chips.

            The separation of the words "Need" and "Want" in sales copy... is tremendous. The outcomes between those words are tremendous.

            And again there are fine lines within the terms. People may "Want" to be better at something - you then "Need" this product to do this. nuanced and tricky.

            "Want" more sales you "Need" this... vs "Need more sales - this gets you there,
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            • Profile picture of the author savidge4
              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

              Is it right to say that Need + Action = Potential Profits
              I honestly cant see how it couldn't - I would say that I am a living testament that it does - BUT you often remind me that I am one of the few outliers on the forum.

              There is a demand for bread makers on eBay there is a healthy amount of people that not only want one... but feel they need one. Get lucky and find them at garage sales or Salvation Army or Goodwill at a low price, and YES there is potential profit.

              Juicers are the same thing. Dandelion leaves ( yes you read that correctly ) is the same thing. old TV's with a built in VHS player, same thing.

              These are just a smattering of items that the threshold of WANT has carried over to NEED ( in the minds of the buyer )

              You can get a bit more adventurous and watch YouTube short or tictoc and see what the current trends are and find those items cheap. in the minds of the buyer they dont want it, the NEED NEED it, and NEED it yesterday.

              I recently... this morning actually had a conversation about getting rich over night - and YES it is absolutely possible - with a caveat... With the prior experience of a working system that sold something / anything. you sell something anything ONCE - meaning more than one of something.. a few of something the same thing... and you can simply rinse and repeat the process - and the 2nd or 10th time in doing this the stars can and will align and you will make a killing. and all previous venture will be trickling money all the while.

              Success is not a slam bam thank you ma'am type of thing... you have been doing this for how long? I have been doing this for how long? Claude has been doing this for how long? As much as the project or product or service right in front of us is a "Short Game" there is the long long long game laying before it, that just short of guarantees its success.
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                This morning I sent an email to a guy who created a product from one of my posts.

                What I asked him to do was: Audio record his journey, in less than an hour. I will have it transcribed, and run it through various AI, with several different prompts to see what it spits back at us.

                Even we old dogs, like to play with new toys. I want him to create a product in ONE HOUR, and have it for sale, in the market place by minute 59. AI and tech, offers us some nifty things to incorporate into our OLD TIMEY, old world methods.

                I like that idea of moving the needle from want to need, and seeing how the trends allow us to stay ahead of demand. Thanks.

                GordonJ


                Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

                I honestly cant see how it couldn't - I would say that I am a living testament that it does - BUT you often remind me that I am one of the few outliers on the forum.

                There is a demand for bread makers on eBay there is a healthy amount of people that not only want one... but feel they need one. Get lucky and find them at garage sales or Salvation Army or Goodwill at a low price, and YES there is potential profit.

                Juicers are the same thing. Dandelion leaves ( yes you read that correctly ) is the same thing. old TV's with a built in VHS player, same thing.

                These are just a smattering of items that the threshold of WANT has carried over to NEED ( in the minds of the buyer )

                You can get a bit more adventurous and watch YouTube short or tictoc and see what the current trends are and find those items cheap. in the minds of the buyer they dont want it, the NEED NEED it, and NEED it yesterday.

                I recently... this morning actually had a conversation about getting rich over night - and YES it is absolutely possible - with a caveat... With the prior experience of a working system that sold something / anything. you sell something anything ONCE - meaning more than one of something.. a few of something the same thing... and you can simply rinse and repeat the process - and the 2nd or 10th time in doing this the stars can and will align and you will make a killing. and all previous venture will be trickling money all the while.

                Success is not a slam bam thank you ma'am type of thing... you have been doing this for how long? I have been doing this for how long? Claude has been doing this for how long? As much as the project or product or service right in front of us is a "Short Game" there is the long long long game laying before it, that just short of guarantees its success.
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            • Profile picture of the author DABK
              I am going to be redundant. You and Savidge covered it, but I do not think a lot of people really pay attention.


              Many marketing books tell you to go for what people want because they'll buy that over what they need. People buy wants, then justify. And, there is something to say to that.


              People buy wants that satisfy a need. Even if the want seems wonky to outsiders.


              In my life as an appraiser, I worked on an appraisal for a guy going through hard times. He had a largish boat in his yard (30-some feet long). He was refinancing the house to pay credit cards. He was not selling the boat. Ended up losing the house but keeping the boat... Outside looking in, need seems to be save the house, get rid of the boat (He had enough equity in the boat to pay his cards and have several months of house payments as reserves).


              From his point of view, the need and want was to save the boat. Not sure why he had that need. But I am sure it was a need.



              Another thing:
              Once upon a time, I knew a man who was in his late 50's and morbidly obese. We worked together for 2 years. The first 14 month he wanted to lose weight. Dieted, lost, regained, dieted, lost regain... That kind of thing.


              Sometime after a year and a couple of months, he had a heart attack... He was in the hospital a few days, then home for a couple of weeks, then back to work. He wanted to lose weight. And now he lost and it stayed lost. At the end of 4 months, he had lost some 50lbs. Last I saw him (at the end of the 2nd year), he had lost some 140 lbs.



              Need combined with want is powerful.


              Stands repeating.


              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

              Maybe steps is wrong, it was a "process"?

              You have dropped so many gold nuggets here, it is sometimes hard to find where I hid them. Even with your own folder on my desktop, there is a lot to go through.

              I need to get better organized (as I have been saying for the last 4 decades)..

              You are spot on about NEED, and to relate how your bunny to greenhouse story relates to Harvey Brody... he repaired typewriters in college and couldn't find a way to cleanly oil the keys in the back, so he added a flexible straw...and that is how the ZOOM SPOUT oiler came to be.

              Now, over 60 years later, and having sold hundreds of million units of oil with a flexible spout, his is mostly an automatic reorder process. And his customers order thousands of units at a time.

              The old saying about necessity being the mother of invention holds up. Need to feed the bunny...and it starts adding up...well, who knows where that would lead.

              The difference between You, Harvey and most people, they may see the need, but they don't ACT on the need.

              Is it right to say that Need + Action = Potential Profits?

              GordonJ
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                I am going to be redundant. You and Savidge covered it, but I do not think a lot of people really pay attention.
                Many marketing books tell you to go for what people want because they'll buy that over what they need. People buy wants, then justify. And, there is something to say to that.
                People buy wants that satisfy a need. Even if the want seems wonky to outsiders.
                In my life as an appraiser, I worked on an appraisal for a guy going through hard times. He had a largish boat in his yard (30-some feet long). He was refinancing the house to pay credit cards. He was not selling the boat. Ended up losing the house but keeping the boat... Outside looking in, need seems to be save the house, get rid of the boat (He had enough equity in the boat to pay his cards and have several months of house payments as reserves).
                From his point of view, the need and want was to save the boat. Not sure why he had that need. But I am sure it was a need.
                Another thing:
                Once upon a time, I knew a man who was in his late 50's and morbidly obese. We worked together for 2 years. The first 14 month he wanted to lose weight. Dieted, lost, regained, dieted, lost regain... That kind of thing.
                Sometime after a year and a couple of months, he had a heart attack... He was in the hospital a few days, then home for a couple of weeks, then back to work. He wanted to lose weight. And now he lost and it stayed lost. At the end of 4 months, he had lost some 50lbs. Last I saw him (at the end of the 2nd year), he had lost some 140 lbs.
                Need combined with want is powerful.
                Stands repeating.
                We as marketers, may forget that many people can't separate the two. With your boat example, it may have been combined.

                And we may color some areas gray too, while we know food, clothing, shelter are NEEDS, there are wants that come with it. Most homeless, I'm guessing, would rather have a roof over their heads, not a tent. Or cardboard.

                We need to eat.

                And it may be easy for us, sometimes, to target one thing or the other, it is important to note, most people have no idea of the differences between the two.

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                • Profile picture of the author DABK
                  This gets very interesting for real estate appraisers.
                  Lender chooses an appraisal management company. The appraisal management company gets the order from the loan originator/or their processor. Appraisal management company shoots the order to a bunch of appraisers. First one to accept, gets it.


                  The homeowner wants a loan, does not want an appraisal but needs one.


                  The lender wants and needs the appraisal.


                  The management company wants an order from the lender, does not care an iota about the appraisers.


                  Some appraisers I talked to since appraisal management companies came into existence wanted my opinion on their marketing pieces.


                  They complain that it's not possible to market themselves as the people paying them are not the people getting / using / wanting their product.


                  So, how can they deal with want and need?


                  (My advice was: don't be the lowest level appraiser. Get general certified (allows for commercial/industrial appraisals), learn your stuff, and market to commercial property owners.


                  If you're going to do residential appraisals for mortgages, you have two options: become an appraisal management company or sign up with tons of appraisal management companies and work a lot for a lot less than you could make doing any other kind of appraisal structure/work.


                  Years later, they're getting all their jobs from appraisal management companies, having signed up with a few more, and complaining that they cannot get paid commensurate with their experience and skill.


                  PS When I was an appraiser and found out that my clients, the loan originators thought a good appraisal was one that was delivered fast and met their value expectation, I was shocked. After a while, it hit me: it makes sense for them to want fast appraisals that give them the value. I still hear from appraisers I met in 2000 how wrong originators are and why the hell don't they care that I added 2 extra comps and added the room layouts in my sketch?)


                  Sometimes, when I go out with young relatives and they expect me to pay, I tell them I will not. You'd be amazed at how fast they look at prices, then. Sometimes, they put the thing back and get a cheaper version. Sometimes, they just put it back.


                  When they get a cheap version, I'm thinking they actually need it, so I pay... sometimes for the cheaper version, sometimes for the original one.


                  But it's interesting how fast want-alone goes out the window if they have to use their own funds... Yes, at that point, I give them a little lesson about marketing. Which makes me the odd relative. The burdens I carry in the name of marketing!





                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                  We as marketers, may forget that many people can't separate the two. With your boat example, it may have been combined.

                  And we may color some areas gray too, while we know food, clothing, shelter are NEEDS, there are wants that come with it. Most homeless, I'm guessing, would rather have a roof over their heads, not a tent. Or cardboard.

                  We need to eat.

                  And it may be easy for us, sometimes, to target one thing or the other, it is important to note, most people have no idea of the differences between the two.

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  • Profile picture of the author RMRC
    I would consider within a few months to a year, quick. With the right formula it is possible to "get rich quick". It's more the time figuring out the formula that takes so long if you don't know what to do and you're learning as you go. If you have a proven formula and already know what to do, you could quite literally get rich overnight, depending on what your definition of "rich" is.
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      Originally Posted by RMRC View Post

      I would consider within a few months to a year, quick. With the right formula it is possible to "get rich quick". It's more the time figuring out the formula that takes so long if you don't know what to do and you're learning as you go. If you have a proven formula and already know what to do, you could quite literally get rich overnight, depending on what your definition of "rich" is.
      I doubt it.

      There are methods, and implemented strategies which can create a lot of money in a short period of time. They aren't 'state secrets' or anything, and no one needs to be an Einstein either.

      The problem with formulas are most often found in the personalities trying to use them.

      Just cause Bobby Joe made tons of money doing X, doesn't mean Billy Sue will, even doing the exact same thing. It is the GREAT LIE and fallacy of "do what I did, get what I got" sort of thinking.

      Formulas, plans, blueprints...the whole do it my way thing, sells a lot of books, courses and makes some rich...BUT, if we had one that worked, for everyone...why wouldn't we all be doing it?

      I will say the RIGHT MINDSET; based upon tested results. For example, thousands of people have made a lot of money with REMOTE DIRECT MARKETING, old timers used Mail Order, Radio, TV. Today, IM and social is all about RDM.

      I do know of, and use ONE formula which I know first hand works. It was developed by RDM legend Ben Suarez who has sold several BILLION dollars of stuff over the last 4 decades, he says he rinses and repeats using his NPGS formula.

      Product. X Prospect. X Promotion. X Media. = NET PROFITS

      Smart marketers start with PROSPECT (people already BUYING)

      That is a proven FAST way to generate fast cash profits in the shortest amount of time.

      Rich, gets defined by our own ideas of what it is. I think having a system (formula) in place that can be repeated over and over is as close to a sure thing as there is.

      If you, or anyone, knows of a marketer with over 50 years of continuous success, with Billions of dollars in sales (one billion from only ONE product)...then I'm all ears, please share.

      So, yes, SURE, find a tested, proven way to bring large amounts in short periods of time, then "rinse and repeat"...keeping in mind, TIME too. Some, would rather keep income steady and healthy rather than grinding for Rich.

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      • Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        So, yes, SURE, find a tested, proven way to bring large amounts in short periods of time, then "rinse and repeat"...keeping in mind, TIME too. Some, would rather keep income steady and healthy rather than grinding for Rich.

        GordonJ
        Another problem with Rinse and Repeat formulas(That are taught) is that every possible aspect can't be taught.... and whatever holes there are in the formula. are now filled by people who have no idea what they are doing.

        For example, I did an advertising seminar. Part of it was that I would critique an ad they created.

        One lady brought me an ad, and I told her how to change it. I told her it would make money, no matter what media she put it in (This was really before online marketing).

        A few weeks later, she called me...very upset. Nobody bought. She had a retail store, and not one person mentioned the ad.

        I asked her to send me the ad. It was strong. I knew it would generate a profit. Something was wrong.

        I got on the phone with her, and she mentioned offhand the name of the newspaper she put the full page ad in. I said "But I thought you lived in (wherever it was)"

        She innocently told me that she put the ad in a newspaper that circulated in a town 50 miles away.

        Through gritting teeth, and trying not to sound like I was hyperventilating......I asked "Why did you put the ad in a town newspaper that is 50 miles from your store?"

        She told me it was cheaper than the paper that served her town.

        My head pounded, and I resisted the urge to scream at her. And then I gently explained the physics of how driving 50 miles was inconvenient, and the buyers weren't seeing the ad.

        And yet, she listened to what I taught, and followed my instructions very well.

        Marketing isn't simple. You can't learn everything in a week....or a year. (I know you know all this). And that's one reason that perfectly good, already proven instruction doesn't work much of the time.....

        Because it's being taught to beginners that cannot identify obvious mistakes that ruin their chances of success......that's if they actually put any effort into it at all.

        I think my blood pressure went up a tad...just thinking about this again.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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          Thanks for the post Claude. I could be wrong however I sense a kind of "Love/Hate" Relationship with your post ... You're an amazing Salesman for sure ... However there seems to be something of a "Shadow" aspect to your Posts.

          Let me know if I'm wrong.
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          • Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Thanks for the post Claude. I could be wrong however I sense a kind of "Love/Hate" Relationship with your post ... You're an amazing Salesman for sure ... However there seems to be something of a "Shadow" aspect to your Posts.

            Let me know if I'm wrong.
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            Insightful. Although I don't know if it's a shadow element.

            I'm only really good at one thing, to the exclusion of everything else.

            Years ago, I found that I did not have the temperament, patience or aptitude for sales management.

            For example, the lady I just posted about. She's a smart business owner, and truly one of my favorite people. And...her whole family is made up of very caring, gentle, principled people.

            I wasn't angry at her. I was angry at the thought that she lost money for a reason that was irrational. I was partly at fault. It never occurred to me that anyone would make this exact mistake, so I never mentioned it in the training.
            I often think of this in reverse...

            What are the smart techie guys at Best Buy thinking when I tell them a problem that most 7 year olds could solve in a minute? I often wonder about that.

            Some of it stems from a realization I had about 20 years ago...

            A friend and mentor of mine and I were talking about our businesses. I had (at the time) maybe 10 employees, of which 8 were sales reps. Every day, it was drudgery for me. I liked training, but it was frustrating when these people lost sales I could make in my sleep.

            I was whining and complaining to my friend, and he asked me "Could you train someone to sell as well as you do?" I thought about it and said something like "I've trained a few reps that are exceptionally good. But sell as well as I do? No. Probably not"

            And he told me I should let everyone go, and just sell myself, because I would never be satisfied with the results I got a a sales manager. I did, and he was right. I made more on my own than with 8 reps.

            A friend of mine that worked with me for a few weeks told me, "You know the difference between us? I will do 8 sales presentations in a week, sell 2, and be happy with the 2 sales. You'll do 6 presentations in a week, sell 5, and then agonize over why you missed that 6th sale".

            She was right. It's just my nature.

            When I said I was gritting my teeth, it was a slight exaggeration. But when I make mistakes like that myself? It's not an exaggeration.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Thanks Claude.

          It has been my online battle for decades; railing against the noobs who aren't prepared to start, let alone run, a business.

          In my fantasy IM league; trying to pick out those who WILL have IM success, I'd do a basic business test. The first part would be MATH.

          One of TODAY'S superstars of IM is the Nothing Held Back guy; Alen Sultanic, who knows the math of IM success like few that have come before.

          And along with math being the first part, I would make human behavior the second part of my imaginary training camp. Here at WF, if I ask at all, it is usually; what do you bring with you new Warrior? We mostly know what you WANT (TO MAKE MONEY) BUT what do you have to offer?

          TOO many, way too many, don't even know what they want or why, and on top of that lack the most basic of business skills, like figuring out what their profits are.

          And me using the rinse and repeat, without context, was just too dang lazy, because at the highest levels, it is NEVER that. So, although Ben Suarez has a formula, it should be known that he LOSES on the rinse and repeat about 6 times before he hits a winner again. Those Billions in revenue, came from MILLIONS SPENT in testing and advertising, and knowing the failure rate was part of that business model.

          I bet after that client, you made sure they knew exactly where to run their ads, or you had them give that to you up front. Yes, these little bits of experienced wisdom, gained from our own gaffes in the real world...are not the things we can teach to others.

          So, I stand corrected about rinse and repeat. It applied to the NPGS FORMULA in the post, but also knowing that success was only about a 15% of attempts; but with the idea that that ONE 15% block of success pays for dozens of more tries.

          Online, compared to what your friend paid in an out of area newspaper, the attempt is so cheap, and markets are so much easier to find...those 7 attempts to get one winner is so cost effective...and one win gives you maybe scores more tries, that is, if one takes the time to learn all the details of any and all rinse and repeat formulas.

          I'll be more careful, with the limited amount of time I spend here, I get a little quick on the keyboard...so I will take my own life advice, and "slow down, and follow through". Thanks for being onboard to give us your hard won, from the trenches, experiences which helps us all, newbie or old salt. THANKS.

          GordonJ


          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Another problem with Rinse and Repeat formulas(That are taught) is that every possible aspect can't be taught.... and whatever holes there are in the formula. are now filled by people who have no idea what they are doing.

          For example, I did an advertising seminar. Part of it was that I would critique an ad they created.

          One lady brought me an ad, and I told her how to change it. I told her it would make money, no matter what media she put it in (This was really before online marketing).

          A few weeks later, she called me...very upset. Nobody bought. She had a retail store, and not one person mentioned the ad.

          I asked her to send me the ad. It was strong. I knew it would generate a profit. Something was wrong.

          I got on the phone with her, and she mentioned offhand the name of the newspaper she put the full page ad in. I said "But I thought you lived in (wherever it was)"

          She innocently told me that she put the ad in a newspaper that circulated in a town 50 miles away.

          Through gritting teeth, and trying not to sound like I was hyperventilating......I asked "Why did you put the ad in a town newspaper that is 50 miles from your store?"

          She told me it was cheaper than the paper that served her town.

          My head pounded, and I resisted the urge to scream at her. And then I gently explained the physics of how driving 50 miles was inconvenient, and the buyers weren't seeing the ad.

          And yet, she listened to what I taught, and followed my instructions very well.

          Marketing isn't simple. You can't learn everything in a week....or a year. (I know you know all this). And that's one reason that perfectly good, already proven instruction doesn't work much of the time.....

          Because it's being taught to beginners that cannot identify obvious mistakes that ruin their chances of success......that's if they actually put any effort into it at all.

          I think my blood pressure went up a tad...just thinking about this again.
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          • Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            And along with math being the first part, I would make human behavior the second part of my imaginary training camp. Here at WF, if I ask at all, it is usually; what do you bring with you new Warrior? We mostly know what you WANT (TO MAKE MONEY) BUT what do you have to offer?

            TOO many, way too many, don't even know what they want or why, and on top of that lack the most basic of business skills, like figuring out what their profits are.
            I remember in my very early days of direct marketing. I had no idea why someone would buy from me, and it never occurred to me to ask.

            Questions like;
            What problem do I solve?
            What makes me think these people are likely to buy from me at all?


            I remember thinking...like most newbies..."If only 10% of these people buy, I'll get rich!".

            And of course we have all heard, for whatever reason...." On average 2% will buy".

            When you are new, no questions occur to you. You only think of the fantasy of your mailbox being filled with orders.


            Decades later, I engineered my advertising so that I would make lots of money if just 1 our of 1,000 people who say the ad, bought. Which is good, because that was about the reality of it.

            Eventually the ads lost much of their punch, and it went to about 1 in 10,000 people buying. Of course, I still made a profit, because I tracked my results, and knew the value of a sale.

            Those were direct mail ads (in coupon magazines) and not individually mailed to a targeted mailing list.

            By the way, You weren't wrong in your post. I just thought of another reason you were right.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    y not.



    buy an ak47 rob a bank
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      y not.
      buy an ak47 rob a bank
      Why not steal the AK, save that money. 70% of bank robbers are caught within days, the avg. bank haul is barely 10 thousand dollars.

      Seems too high a risk for so little reward. Same AK used in home invasion of known rich man probably yields more $$ less risk.

      As far as risk taking, why not scuba gear and attack a drug submersible, where MILLIONS of dollars or tons of cocaine are...if you don't get the cash, at least you get the high.

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  • Profile picture of the author Desireseekr
    If it was easy and you could do it overnight it wouldn't be valued, we wouldn't even be replying to this thread right now haha!


    If you could get a six pack overnight then no one would care about it in the first place.



    I believe even if you did happen to somehow hit it big literally OVERNIGHT with a random affiliate marketing course you purchased going from 0 to hero, that you would not even have HALF the required skills to run or maintain and anything at a "rich" level.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      The OP was all about it NOT being easy.

      Who, in their right mind, actually believes getting rich quick (overnight) is a reality? Only those lucky lottery winners, who usually spend it all and end up broke in quick order.

      There is NO debate about the premise.

      What is up for discussion, is: what is RICH (personal)? What is quick? What is easy?

      Even in your reply, you put "rich" in quote marks, leaving it up to each of us to determine what it means.

      And lottery winners are the perfect example of your point, NOT having the skills to maintain their new found wealth.

      And most business success needs someone with a different set of skills, many founders surrender control to managers, who can maintain the success.

      NO one here, says it is easy to get rich quick. HOWEVER, it doesn't need be hard either as many of the posts in the threads have indicated.

      You find what you bring with you to the Warrior Forum.

      GordonJ



      Originally Posted by Desireseekr View Post

      If it was easy and you could do it overnight it wouldn't be valued, we wouldn't even be replying to this thread right now haha!
      If you could get a six pack overnight then no one would care about it in the first place.
      I believe even if you did happen to somehow hit it big literally OVERNIGHT with a random affiliate marketing course you purchased going from 0 to hero, that you would not even have HALF the required skills to run or maintain and anything at a "rich" level.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Desireseekr View Post

      If it was easy and you could do it overnight it wouldn't be valued,


      I believe even if you did happen to somehow hit it big literally OVERNIGHT with a random affiliate marketing course you purchased going from 0 to hero, that you would not even have HALF the required skills to run or maintain and anything at a "rich" level.
      If someone then focuses on affiliate marketing and uses the revenue to build and learn all those skills they do not have. That are needed for consistent results in affiliate marketing. They might have a better shot at achieving and maintaining a rich level of income.
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        If someone then focuses on affiliate marketing and uses the revenue to build and learn all those skills they do not have. That are needed for consistent results in affiliate marketing. They might have a better shot at achieving and maintaining a rich level of income.
        A supervisor retired. Two of his workers applied for the position, one with 10 years of work, the other with 3. The guy with 3 got the job and the more "senior" guy complained and wanted to know why he was passed over.

        The big boss told him, "You've been loyal and steady, you learned the job quickly your first year and then you have repeated that year 9 more times, whereas, the other guy, has grown every year and is now more qualified than you are.

        Maybe that is the difference between a Warrior who has been an affiliate for the past 7 years and still struggling and the guy with the WSO who has made 10k a month and maintained that for the last couple of years?

        A good/bad thing can be, beginners don't know what they don't know. And some whom blindly follow a plan, and are lucky, may think they hit the motherlode.

        Affiliate marketing is an established IM means of income, and there is a ladder of knowledge one must climb in they want to get to the top...but isn't that true in anything?

        Only the very gifted, along with some luck, get to bypass the work it takes to make it in almost everything.

        When affiliate marketing became too much of a "grind" (ie.: too many people) I looked for ways to replace that income model.

        Some affiliate marketers have become giants in the industry.

        But the post you are quoting is the same for anything, there are levels of education and skills acquired as one ascends to the peak, but today, in IM...one only has molehills to jump over, not mountains to climb to earn a steady income from their IM.

        Most Warriors (newbies especially) OVER complicate their journey's because of the lack of experience and skills, but those can be acquired as quickly as they make up their minds to.

        I think maybe this thread has seen its better days in the rear view mirror, eh?

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  • Profile picture of the author taffie
    What are these quick schemes? What did they ask of you? Did you do it? To the T? Could you have a part you played, why did you get attracted to a quick scheme? Have you considered a coach/mentor? Because often we blame the tools and completely remove ourselves from the equation? Give us a good story.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by taffie View Post

      What are these quick schemes? What did they ask of you? Did you do it? To the T? Could you have a part you played, why did you get attracted to a quick scheme? Have you considered a coach/mentor? Because often we blame the tools and completely remove ourselves from the equation? Give us a good story.
      Jamell, the Original Poster, has never really told us which "schemes" he was referring to, and maybe it doesn't matter, as it seems to have been aimed at all "get rich quick" things.

      And throughout the thread, we have our own opinions on what both rich and quick means, it seems to be very subjective here, no agreed upon amounts of money or time.

      I think you hit pretty close to the nail, if not right on it...when you ask "why did you get attracted to a quick scheme"?

      And that may be the crux of the whole matter right there.

      Get rich schemes attract a certain type of person. Don't they?

      Most of society may believe if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't, which is why the best of the scamsters, the Bernie Madoffs, Liz Holmes and Sam-Bankman Fried took the pitch right up to the line of SOUNDING close but just short of TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

      So, we're not invulnerable from sophisticated scamsters...but the lower level, the low hanging fruit of the get rich schemes/scams are those who are most attracted to it.

      I think you hit an important point. As for your pitch about having a mentor, I would bet that these types, really aren't serious enough to consider a better way, they chase the unicorns over the shiny rainbows toward the pot of gold...often for years.

      Good luck getting answers to your questions, however good they might be.

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  • Needs & wants.
    Circs & dreams.
    All possibility
    sews the seams.

    (I cain't sew btw, jus' like I cain't cook -- but I would wanna hope this pithy contribyootion helps nowan lamah than Moi.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Rully
    The get rich quick schemes are mostly traps for beginners, or, if we talk about marketing, for those who don't want to hire a marketing team.


    What I like about these schemes is the simplicity with which they are explained.
    If you are new to the field, you understand in general terms what needs to be done to get to the desired result, but it is very vaguely explained. It's a good starting point though.

    Recently I opened an online business where I am selling handmade toys. In the beginning, was very hard for me to crawl through this process of creating an LLC and all the logistic steps. Luckily I found a great blog with relevant articles on how to open a business and different tips. You can see here about what I am talking. It might help you.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      We already DON'T know what Jamell was referring to, now you...which ones are you talking about?

      Where do you encounter them? A good starting point for what? PLEEEASSE. WTH?

      GordonJ

      Originally Posted by Rully View Post

      The get rich quick schemes are mostly traps for beginners, or, if we talk about marketing, for those who don't want to hire a marketing team.


      What I like about these schemes is the simplicity with which they are explained.
      If you are new to the field, you understand in general terms what needs to be done to get to the desired result, but it is very vaguely explained. It's a good starting point though.
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