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You get what you negotiate

by Jamell
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You will always get what you negotiate veven if you end up getting what you think you.are worth you still had to negotiate to get it .

The reason why I am saying this is 1 so that you don't limit yourself 2 I know you can get more or less than what you think you are worth .

Yes you should know your value and have an understanding of the market and price points but the bottom line is that whom ever negotiates the best is going to get a better deal .
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    Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

    You will always get what you negotiate veven if you end up getting what you think you.are worth you still had to negotiate to get it .

    The reason why I am saying this is 1 so that you don't limit yourself 2 I know you can get more or less than what you think you are worth .

    Yes you should know your value and have an understanding of the market and price points but the bottom line is that whom ever negotiates the best is going to get a better deal .
    I understand your point, but have other ideas too...

    From the old school Robert Ringer and his WINNING THROUGH INTIMIDATION and LOOKING OUT FOR NUMBER ONE to

    Stuart Diamond's GETTING MORE, and even Trump's THE ART OF THE DEAL...

    There is a ton of information on the tactics of negotiations.

    My question, I guess, is WHY position yourself to have to negotiate? Why not eliminate the competition so as not to have to compete in any negotiation sessions?

    I think that having the mind set of needing to negotiate is as LIMITING a factor as any.

    And what you think you are worth and the MARKET thinks you are worth are two very different things. I prefer to tell the market and let it sort itself out as to who is worthy of my time and attention. Just a different mindset, I reckon.

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      Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

      You will always get what you negotiate veven if you end up getting what you think you.are worth you still had to negotiate to get it .

      The reason why I am saying this is 1 so that you don't limit yourself 2 I know you can get more or less than what you think you are worth .

      Yes you should know your value and have an understanding of the market and price points but the bottom line is that whom ever negotiates the best is going to get a better deal .
      Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

      My question, I guess, is WHY position yourself to have to negotiate? Why not eliminate the competition so as not to have to compete in any negotiation sessions?

      I think that having the mind set of needing to negotiate is as LIMITING a factor as any.

      And what you think you are worth and the MARKET thinks you are worth are two very different things. I prefer to tell the market and let it sort itself out as to who is worthy of my time and attention. Just a different mindset, I reckon.

      GordonJ
      If this had been posted in a different sub forum, I wouldn't have responded...but since this is the MIND forum, and we're discussing mindset...I felt the need to clarify my position. Truthfully, I may not have grasped the complete intention of the OP, but I can only respond to what is posted, not what I think he means, or is trying to say. So, have to take it at face value.

      He says to not limit yourself, and to get more than you think you are worth? Unsure what he means here.

      Anyhow...in Sports there is a zero sum attitude, a clear winner and loser. Only one team can win the top prize, the others are LOSERs. Team sports are a collaboration, a lot of contributors to either the success or failure to win. Individual sports; tennis, golf, boxing, etc. it is all about that one time performance.

      Now, as to negotiation; guys like Trump and Ringer like to play a zero sum game, the Apprentice TV show was all about a winner and a bunch of losers.

      So there are business people with that Win or Lose mindset.

      However, in business competition, where you compete for customers, there can be many winners, determined by DIFFERENTIATION, so McDonald's may be the big dog in the market, but there is room for flame broiled, fresh, and local too.

      But hamburgers have to compete with chicken, tacos, fish, Chinese...all sorts of competition for customers. Food is the HUGE market, fast food within that market, and this is where the Unique Sales Proposition comes in; Burger King with FLAME broiled. Wendy's with fresh not frozen. In and Out with a superior product.

      OK>OK...when choosing what kind of Internet Marketing business to operate, a lot of the slop and mess of having to negotiate can be eliminated at the beginning.

      I think the OP may mean in cases like Free Lancing, where you compete against others with a similar skill set, and if you THINK you are worth more, then you can NEGOTIATE or ask for more. And this can be true.

      What I'm suggesting is, one starts KNOWING they have the value, and THEY are the USP and can use that in the marketplace, so they don't have to get into any sort of negotiation to begin with.

      Which is why I harp on taking time at the start of the journey to try to fully flesh out your ideas, see what can be avoided (like having to negotiate) and starting from a further down the road point, albeit, a bit slower process to get started.

      Using what you have, what you bring with you, and maximizing that, building your foundation on what you already know or can do, will actually expedite and speed up your success and will help you avoid the dead ends, wrong routes, and save you maybe years of time too.

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      Any business deal you discuss is a negotiation whether you think you are or you are not .
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        Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

        Either way you are still negotiating. and that will never change .
        Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

        Any business deal you discuss is a negotiation whether you think you are or you are not .
        No on the first one, and yes if you DISCUSS it, a negotiation takes place. If someone just buys what you offer, without discussion, where is the negotiation in that?

        "discussion aimed at reaching an agreement." from dictionary.com

        I don't buy any self negotiation in a business transaction, if there is such a thing.

        It takes two. And if someone simply buys, they simply agree with the price at the point of their intersection with the product. You seem to want to fiercely defend your position, so maybe give a bit more detail of the idea, or call it quits, eh?

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    Tsch.

    As a Princess, my USP depends on Dad dyin'.

    That is kinda a bummah scenario with Thanksgivin' on the Horize.

    But I love so how Gordon counsels one an' all to be distinctive in the offahs they make.

    Bcs what else you gaht othah than slahp sniffoed up outta noplace?

    Gotta figure the ultimate bargainin' point you gaht always is ... the person opposite sittin' all POKAH FAYISSED ain't you.

    It is beyond doubt that we all depend upon one anothah for succor.

    You wanna build a bunkah to save yusself from Oblivion ... youwaint gonna last too long.

    So we inevitably hooked on a life-support system based on myootchwl exchange.

    Where we have enthusiasm an' latent talent, we can commit our resources to excel.

    Where we duffoed AF (for instance Moi & cookin') we gotta source the relevant expertise.

    Who decides the fee?

    Most likely it is a movin' target, bcs what moves the planit today don't necessarily move the planit tamara.

    But, less'n you DEAD, you still here.

    An' you a bargain strike of catalytica for anywan don't gaht what you gaht -- but wants it desprit.

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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Originally Posted by Jamell View Post

    You will always get what you negotiate veven if you end up getting what you think you.are worth you still had to negotiate to get it .

    The reason why I am saying this is 1 so that you don't limit yourself 2 I know you can get more or less than what you think you are worth .

    Yes you should know your value and have an understanding of the market and price points but the bottom line is that whom ever negotiates the best is going to get a better deal .

    Where does this apply in the 2020s. Do you use this or did you read a book from the last century . I know I read a few books on negotiations around the year 2000.

    If you have unique and in demand skill sets you probably should have an agent if negotiations will get you that much money.

    Your marketing and targeting should do the bulk of or all the negotiations.

    Face to face with people my communication ability is it fluid and natural. Ther may be an amount of negotiations but there is no tactical element it's just the way I talk. Plus I'm open about what I'm after and the options I have when I have them.

    If you can't walk away you are not really negotiating. But that is my view I don't need anyone to agree with it
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      Either way you are still negotiating. and that will never change .
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