I still have'nt made a dime:/

I know how you feel. It's pretty hard to keep your hopes up when you've been jaded by too many sites promising boatloads of cash overnight.

Don't give up just yet, there is still a way for you to make a living online. You just have to be willing to learn the right way to do it. Don't fall for the get quick rich schemes.

My best recommendation for you is to check out Chris Farrell Membership site. He is one of the most trustworthy Internet Marketers out there.

Hope this helps,
-michael

Thanx guys I'm trying to keep the faith. Honestbizpro I got your message and I tried to reply but I got a message about I need to post 50 times before I can respond to a pm:/ Sounds ridicules but thats what it said.

Like Stephen Pierce said, sometimes it's not the big issues that you gotta change, but the tiny minor issues that need to be changed.

(wait, I'm not sure if he said it exactly like that, but that's the point.)

My mentor is Ewen Chia, and he says that as an Internet marketer you need to have the right mindset. After that you need to write down your goals and look at them every day.

Then you also need to be focused. Don't overload yourself with too much info. Do 1 thing at a time and have a daily schedule.

Debster, your sites are not readable. Especially luvthe90's, unless there's something wrong with my computer (which is not the case).

Get rid of the crazy and dark backgrounds and have readable text. That would be a start.

Regarding "gurlztown", first it scared the **** out of me as soon as it loaded, with the loud music, and almost woke up my neighbors . There's no point in having that "enter site" stuff, take them directly to the homepage.

I think before we can even get into how to promote your sites, you need to really overhaul the design & usability of the sites.

Also, you have adult content on gurlztown, just double check to make sure your host allows adult content before someone reports you and they shut your site down.

I think you might want to make another post to the tune of "please review my sites", and get some of the brilliant minds here to give you tips.

If you're not able to do the web-design work yourself (though not that hard these days with Wordpress and what not), then you really need to hire or find someone who can do it for you for free.

Not trying to be harsh... but those 2 websites are really just...

Thanx for the input but not sure what you mean by unreadable and dark on the 90's site. If anything its very colorful to reflec that trend of the 90's style. Gurlztown as you can see is geared toward a certain clientel and out of my close to 700 views since November, they don't seem to have a problem with it. So i'm not really surprised that you would'nt be into it and it "scared" you. Although I might take your advice and remove the intro page.

One thing that really seems to work is solo ads with e-zines.

Another good thing is back linking.

That being said... there are hundreds of good methods. These are just things that have worked for me.

PM me if you want to discuss.

You need to learn how to fail, so that you can learn lessons from them.

Every Successful person has failed before they got to where they are.

Okay I'll give you my honest review. The "gurlztown" site looks so cheap. It looks as if it was just thrown together with not much care in it. You've probably worked hard on it, but it's not showing it. Everything looks everywhere and it's not giving me a reason to stay on there (I am straight, but we're talking about your site appearance, not the niche). It's so much stuff on there I just don't know where to look and it makes me want to click the "x" immediately. My advice: Sort it out and don't try to plaster everything on one page. It's pretty hot, but you need to spruce it up a bit. What type of website editor do you use?

Now on to luvthe90s (haha I'm a 90's baby, 1990 in fact). Honestly it looks like a hot ass mess and that's as nice as I can put it. It's not attractive at all and you have too much of everything going. People will think you're just under construction and won't come back. Stick with no more than 3 colors and work around it for the entire site. The backgrounds are literally eating the text off the page.

You have potential and I know you want the results of perfection the first time, but trying to be in a serious business and showing these sites are not going to work at all. You need to give them a professional glow and at the same time think about what others may like and may not like. Don't go for that 10 out of 10...shoot for a 20 out of 10. As I stated before, you have GREAT potential...you just have to sacrifice some things and organize the sites a lot better than what they are now.

Hi Debster,

I'm also new to IM, but I'm a long time tech person. Here are my two cents:

The first thing us geeks tell people is to lose the flash intro page. It takes too long to load, serves no purpose and from what I hear Google will actually start penalizing sites with slow load times.

The 90's site is really hard to read - can't buy stuff if I can't see it.

I like your concepts and obviously your getting traffic (this is good), but you need to present your products a little better and make it easier for people to find them. I think you're being a little too discrete - maybe make a products tab for the Gurlz - let them know your selling stuff - no shame in the game =)

Mario

Debtster,

first off, after seeing lovethe90s.com....My head hurts.

I didn't bother pasting your other URL into my address bar, but you really need to focus on a solid message and deliver it in a way that doesn't hurt peoples heads trying to read it.

don't take it too hard, but you really need to revamp the whole site ASAP.

Promote or create something which you would love to buy and refer.

Don't buy all these products, there mainly false hope's.

Trial and error, make some cash and then get something that's reputable and can teach you.

Stick to the basics.

Develop a product
Sell that product

Pick something you are in to and a product that offers value. There are other complexities to the "game" but your primary concern should be with product development as of now.

The only easy way is the hard way.

Save your cash on most of the BS that goes around.

Don't read think and grow rich...the whole desire concept is way out of whack and does not do anything except create a desire which will eat at your being. Stay away from that, not healthy. Instead know what you want, figure out how you can get it and then do it.

debster

I checked out i love the 90's because i grew up in that era and loved it but your site takes far too long to load up and when it does it seems to remind me of a program on the bbc called top of the pops with the design, its good to see what you are trying to do however you are placing too much infomation on the site

have a look at my site http://www.englishpriemerleauge.net or http://www.pspgo-site.com the reason i show you them sites is that i could work on your sites and get them sorted out for you if you like. you can also see that out of 54,000 people my niche on psp go is number one on google, without effort just some standard design, since that site was made ive had offers for the site it self which i just refused,

i think from a search engines point of view is if you had the content seperate pages such as video pages and all the text and content different font and colour you would see some advantage,

if you want me to look at your deisgn and help out please pm me,

andy

Welcome to the real world of internet marketing.

What's the part of their crap where they talk about how to choose your niche?
Did their crap include something about how to identify good market segments, based on research?
Did you do all they said about the market research part of their crap?

What's the part of their crap where they talk about using successful businesses or sites as a model?
Are your sites based on successful sites that sell crap to the crappy market the crap told you to sell to, based on your crappy research?

What's the part of their crap where they discussed doing a small, inexpensive test before convincing yourself that your ideas are awesome?
Did you do some kind of test before deciding that your two sites are the ultimate in IM and if nobody buys, it's the crappy industry that's broken?

What's the part of their crap where they talk about how to leave behind ideas that don't work and try something else?
Are 700 hits with no sales far enough into their crap that it's apparent a site is crap?

Most importantly, does their crap have any crap about crappy attitudes providing crappy results? Anything about learning from success rather than trying to prove that your crap is better than the crap that makes all that crappy money from their crappy techniques! Nah, anything about a constructive mindset can't possibly be in any of the crap about money making crap. Must be that IM is all busted!

Mr. Craptacular

Hi Debster :-)

First of all, isn't this a pretty new website?
I haven't made it work yet, but there is a CSS code that can make parts of your site transparent, or so I've heard... If you can somehow make your 90's background image more transparent then it wouldn't be so loud to look at.
The links on that page are kind of stacked up too much. All you can do is change the link color to lighter?

The gurlztown seems to have been fitted to your PC screen resolution, because something seems very wrong when I look at it, and the "wrong" looks very much like my eternal problem with the various resolution people have on their settings... Plus something is missing of "guestbook link"!? ...Wait, the "herstory" part works on my PC :-)

Another thing is that I don't see anywhere to contact you, meaning email address as a minimum.
I think it is required by law in many countries that the owner of the website can be contacted in some way. I know you are just operating with lots of links, but it can't harm to do something to earn people's trust :-)

I don't know if any of this was helpful, if not just ignore.

Take care!
*Louise

Since you are a follower of the secret I suggest not even trying to make money. Read my blog post here on warrior forum titled "how to attract employment" and turn the story around to fit your Circumstance.

take a deep breath relax and fix some of the problems with your site. I have to agree with everyone here, both sites need work. Check them out on a friends computer you will see what everyone here is talking about.
Good luck!
2Xtreme Blogger

You might try reading this post
NickMattern.com Tutorial: Using WFReview To Make Money With Your First Website PART 1

It is very similar to the niche blueprint methodolgy. It works, I make money money from it just not alot. My best site averages 350.00 dollars a month gross.

did u done proper SEO or link builiding. Do it first, you will get lots of money pouring in your paypal or credit card...

I started off making about $40 a day from posting on dieting forums. I linked backed to my blog in my .sig file and had some clickbank diet books there. I did this consistently for a few weeks and started seeing money coming in.

No SEO, no article marketing. Just a cheesy blog on blogger that I updated daily and a few forums I was posting on every night.

Maybe the OP needs to do something small and easy first.

1 Tip, those sites saying get rich doing nothing, or get rich overnight, it's a lie, if it was true, then everybody would be rich?

Hello Debster,



I think I know why you design the 2 site the way you did.

Yes, they may look like a mess to a lot of people. Yet beneath the
mess I can also see and feel your character, vision and passion you
have in your heart and mind.

The Good news is at least you took action and actually created
something out of your own, not just another convenient way of a
"me too" sites we see everywhere on the internet.

Is you baby, nobody can take that away from you!
And You Are Already ahead of 95% of the people out there!

Another good news is that you also have traffic. At least for one of
your site, the NOV 700 views on gurlztown.com, consider that they
are generic traffic (meaning apart from your friends, people from this
forum and yourself).There must be something that you did right. I know
there are Very Good Looking websites that receive little or no traffic.

Also, I believe your site have a huge potential to start with, from the 2
domain names you registered, there is definitely a huge market down
there. I foresee that both of them can definitely evolved as the time
goes by into very good VRE "business" and not just websites for you to
earn affiliates commission.


Now here's the thing....,

You got a lot to learn and a lot to unlearn.

The Unlearning Part have to come 1st, is about putting aside what
you already knew and also letting go certain prejudgment of things
in the mean time.

1st thing 1st, I hope by now you can at least accept the fact that
you will need to re-organize your site design and layout , if not a
make over.

There are tons of good free information for you to do that. But before
you get "information overload" , I suggest you to do this immediately......

Create and replace both site with a single web page for both of your site.

Using your luvthe90s.com as an example, the content can be as follows

I highly recommend you do this with a word press blog cause is
really faster and easier. Do this as soon as possible. After which, you can
at least leave it aside and start your "Relearning and Revamping"

Like I said, there are tons of good information about website design out
there, and you can get them for free. So don't go into "buying"
anything just yet.


The few things to keep in mind when you re-organize your site
is this...

(1) Try To Focus On Building One Of The Site 1st.
Set A Target like,10 pages or 20 pages once you complete
that, you can move on to the other site with what you learned
from there. It will be way faster. (2) Keep This In Mind
On every site and every page you do, keep asking yourself, what is the
most wanted response you want from your reader?

I know you would want them to click on your affiliate's link. That's the
ultimate response, but to go to that, is a process.

The 1st thing u will need is to engage them with Good Content, let them
stay on your page as long as possible, let them feel so good about your
site that they will either

(1) Bookmark your site or
(2) Subscribe to your news letter or something.

Like I said, you got a lot to learn and a lot to unlearn.

I have a lot more to say but will leave it here for now cause I think you
may need sometime to digest from all the advice you got here.

But if you feel comfortable with my advice, You can PM me anytime for
further help.


Cheers
Jason Ser

Personally, I think you've done things probably a bit backwards. *I know because I followed much the same route.

It's better to limit your time and energy to things that don't require overhead, tons of skill/knowledge, or upfront costs (those moneymaking schemes).

I would have gone with Blogger, Squidoo, and/or Hubpages - none of which cost anything and come with the handy tools, modules and themes to make the site pretty. Figure out what works and what doesn't, THEN invest in a standalone site.

However, you're now fairly committed, with those sites. I'd say, forget bringing in income and just try to have fun with it. Maybe even de-monitize the sites. Make it so people will want to tell their friends and hopefully will return again and again. Eventually, add some monitization again.

I wish you good luck and success.

Guess what? you're not alone.. :-(

But im not giving up..And i believe you shouldnt give up too...

your site is absolute garbage. give up now.

You're going to fail a lot more. If you're already even thinking about giving up then you might as well just do it - it'll save you lots of time in the end.

I'll be honest Barman, I mean barmang, has the best advice in this thread thus far.

Zach

I've seen both sites, and here's a couple of quick notes:

* I luv the 90's is really busy, and to be honest I didn't see anything for sale until the very last page. There's affiliate programs for each of the topics you have on your pages, but no links to anything. It looks more like a tribute site - nothing wrong with that, btw - but not a site set up for the purpose of making money.

*Gurlztown.com is just too dark and the pages are too long and have a lot of scrolling to do. It's not that there's not a market for the items on the site, it's just that a lot of times you only have a short time to catch the viewer's attention and keep them on your site. If that doesn't happen, they're not going to stay on your site, and won't see any of the offers available.

I would suggest figuring out which site is getting the most hits, redesigning that one first, finding the best affiliate programs that match the topics on the site, and then relaunching it. Once you have that one down, take care of the other one. You may even want to start finding forums to post to that will let you add a signature file for your website to your post - AFTER you redesign it, that is.

It's not going to be a fast journey to making money, but once you get the first money-making site done, it will get a bit easier.

I think you should make the 90`s logo that cover the page into a small banner top of page so that it appears on each page.

have the blue boxes with text a lighter colur maybe even the pink that they turn so text can be read.

Put a banner for your products top of each page and on right side just down a bit.

Maybe even get some companies to advertise.

Have a look at idea on web design on the forum, anyway your getting good advice

I just so happen to have a website about 80`, and 90`s music and old school stuff

You have the right idea the site just needs to be more pleasing to the eye thats all

Patrick Judge Old Skool

Pat

I'm sorry you felt compelled to removed this Debster. You always run the risk of rude responses or trolls when posting on forums, however I like to believe that the WF has less of this in most cases. You just have to learn to ignore the obvious trash responses (i.e. "your site is absolute garbage. give up now"). That being said, you cannot expect to start a thread expressing your frustration at your lack of success with a site or site(s) and point the community to those sites without getting any feedback on the sites in question. That's what this forum is for in many cases. I know some people are more blunt than others in their responses/criticism, but there is still feedback and valuable information to be gleaned from this.

Take this from someone who has learned the long and hard way about taking criticism and feedback. If you are unable or unwilling to at least hear people out after soliciting advice (or venting I guess), then you will find it very hard to grow and improve as an Internet Marketer (or as any professional for that matter).

Imagine if Jerry Seinfeld listened to the first people who told him he wasn't funny and no one would want to see his brand of comedy. He wouldn't have went on to create a comedy franchise worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

I don't want to sound patronizing or self-righteous, because believe me, I am not fit to be giving coaching or training in this field yet as I am still learning the ropes, however a big part of success is attitude and the mentality to pursue ones goals.

This is a great venue for learning and making connections in the realm of IM, and if it is something you are truly passionate and serious about, I strongly urge you to read these forums as much as possible, you will learn a lot, I promise you. I'm not one that posts much, unless I feel I have at least something to contribute (or ask), but I'm on these boards every day reading and learning and trying to apply what I can. It's a struggle, and it's certainly not easy, but nothing worthwhile typically is.

Again, I'm sorry to see that this thread has upset and discouraged you. My advice would be to try and shake it off, I doubt anyone posted with the intent to be 'jerks,' but rather to respond to your original post and try to give feedback. The best thing you can do if this is something you are serious and passionate about is read, learn, and apply. Pick a method (whether it be a WSO or other training package/methodology) and stick to until you are successful, or it is clear that it isn't right for you. Don't bounce around as it will just get frustrating. Try and find a single methodology at least to start, and once you find what works, you can start to expand and diversify.

This is not an overnight business, but it is a business and must be treated as such in order to get the most out of it. I'm not implying that you are expecting get-rich-quick results, simply pointing out some key aspects that many people fail to acknowledge.

I hope you continue to push on!

Danny

If you think you want to quit, then you are a sore loser. However, if you still believe that there is still hope for you, better change the way you are right now and for your website. Like me, I almost lose a job but I haven't quit till I find one. Just believe in yourself buddy.

Debster if you want, Mark Link and his affilorama site have been helping people like you get their feet off the ground for quiet somet ime and I know that hes the real deal. A cool guy out of Christchurch New Zealand and has been doing this for years.

One thing I've learnt is that if you hang your backside out, someones going to kick it. So why did you hang it out here? To get help of course. Sadly, you have taken to heart some comments obviously because they didn't say what you wanted to hear.

Take it from me, I have created what I thought was an awesome ad and Bill Glazier personally critiqued it for me at a conference as an onstage example.

He tore it to bits, was I upset? No way! I was wrapped because I learnt something new.

"It's none of your business what other people think of you, your business is to learn from them."

Steve

Debster, Im sorry you removed your post, and your angry. If you re-post your thread and tell me whats going on, maybe I can help you. Tell you things on marketing or give you some ideas as to what your doing wrong. Its hard to help you if I dont know what is your doing. Id like to try though. ;-)

Hi debster,

I haven't seen the post but I know what it feels like when the time comes that you are loosing hope. I hope you re-post it and dont mind some jerks. They're just too fly that you can't reach them because of they think they have the enough knowledge to make millions online.