What's a better way to inspire a change of attitude?

That's good, because I wanted to focus on the principles that will help the next discussion, not the personalities and mistakes of that past discussion.

That sounds good. There were lots of reasons and persuasive attempts. But I don't think there were many examples of the better approach. That might have helped, not just to say "you're doing it wrong" but "check out this example of how to do it right."

The other discussion somewhat broke down into a debate about whether or not that was the situation.

Thanks for sharing your perspective!

Henri Ford was told for 1,5 year that it's impossible to create V8 engine. Then his engineers invented it. It very easy to give up after failure. It's very hard to overcome the failure, but this is the only way to become winner.

Marketstriker, thanks for the tip about using inspiring or funny audio/video clips to get into a better mood. That's so easy to do, but it can also be easy to forget about when someone feels grumpy!

Webwriter and SmartEntrepreneur, thanks for the reminder that persistence can get a person past obstacles until they learn a way to succeed.

Ed, thank you for the "higher path" reminder. I appreciate your perspective. Looking back on the situation, I think that the original poster in the other thread may have been better helped if the frustration and expectations were acknowledged and honored. Instead, others fought against those attitudes. Sledge hammer, meet brick wall. No fun for either side. Your gentler approach might well have won the day.

It looks from the map that Lowell is half an hour out of Eugene, right on the lake. Is that right? Beautiful countryside for people who like rain.

If you're very curious I'll send you the link by private message. I don't want to publicize the personality conflicts there, but instead to focus on principles. I doubt that seeing the argument would make any change at all in the wisdom of your reply. I really think you hit the nail on the head here:

I knew about this, but I didn't think about how it applied to the frustration thread. This really puts the whole situation into perspective for me.

In the other thread, the frustrated person had some expectations about how things would work. When things didn't work according to that person's belief, I suspect (my own interpretation or belief) that the person came here looking for sympathy at how things didn't work out. Then their belief was that people would tell them what techniques to use, without having to change what they believe about what's possible for them.

People were unsympathetic to the original disappointment, since they didn't share the original poster's belief about what should happen. And then the tips were not what the original poster believed should have been helpful advice. In the end, the original poster concluded that the forum was full of jerks and seems to have since given up on looking for help here.

I believe that's a shame because the passion and energy the poster obviously has, plus the effective techniques and beliefs offered here, could add up to a lot of success for the person.

I agree it's important, and most people never get any education about how this works. Why do you say it's the second most powerful skill?

You are way ahead of your time at 19! May want to read "The Disappearance of the Universe" by Gary Renard. I sense it might help clarify those issues for you.

I think you're right on track. You might enjoy the collection of free metaphysical books here: PsiTek - FREE Metaphysical Books & The Law of Attraction

I'm on another forum that's dedicated to this kind of metaphysical study. It's amazing, all of a sudden a lot of deep-thinking 19 year olds showed up with really great insights and thoughtful ideas.

1991 must have been some spiritually important year. Collapse of the Soviet Union? Publication of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Freddie Mercury dies? Sweden wins Eurovision? Must have been something really powerful about that year. Oh, here we go: April 1, 1991: Comedy Central is launched.