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I, like other newbies, am working hard to achieve success.

But I can't see that happening any time soon because for the most part, I am unknown. No one has heard of me yet or is familiar with my articles and ebook. I feel that until I can become better known, I will be able to sell my stuff a lot easier, since all of it focuses on solving various problems.

A few years ago, I began posting on a website focusing on stress. This website was unique in that its forum included about five or six "basic" questions that anyone could feel comfortable in answering, such as "What did you do today?" A number of posters wrote short, but interesting stories. I also contributed a few over time. Consequently, the forum's owner became familiar with me and began posting on my writing-related forum. Turns out she happened to be a very competent webmaster and helped me rewrite part of my website.

My point is that it wasn't until I became known that I began receiving comments on my forum. The other posters who left comments on my forum were the result of a small ad in a writing-related newsletter.

I'm also sure that if I had ebooks to offer for free or for money, I would have earned a good income.

Become known. Just something to think about.
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    • Profile picture of the author webwriter
      That might be, in this forum. I never considered doing that, for a good reason.

      I just don't like my name. If I had a choice, I would have chosen a name that is easer to pronounce like yours, for example. It's all relative. Sometimes giving your real name is an asset. Even a few well-known authors and others changed their names and kept those names til they died. Other times, it's nothing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shaleniie Devi
        Originally Posted by webwriter View Post

        That might be, in this forum. I never considered doing that, for a good reason.

        I just don't like my name. If I had a choice, I would have chosen a name that is easer to pronounce like yours, for example. .

        Pardon me for my ignorance if any but you say you don't like your name because it's difficult to pronounce and so you have not used it as your username.

        Firstly, no one on this forum will be 'speaking out' your name since it's a print and not a verbal forum... unless of course they are saying it in their minds.

        Secondly, when you speak to anyone verbally, you can always tell them the correct way to pronounce your name.

        I'm telling this based on my own experience of having a non-English name. It does get frustrating with all the mispronunciations and despite repeated attempts to teach them by breaking down my name, some people still don't get it.... I just leave them be foreign names are hard to get right if you're not a native.

        Still these minor issues don't deter me from using my real name - I'd like to see it as a gift from my parents (I was named after a popular Indian actress :p) and I'm proud of it.

        In any case, if you REALLY don't like your name, there are always laws in which you can change your name to one you desire and that rolls on the tongue easily legally

        Just my 2 cents...
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      • Profile picture of the author Baadier Sydow
        Originally Posted by webwriter View Post

        That might be, in this forum. I never considered doing that, for a good reason.

        I just don't like my name. If I had a choice, I would have chosen a name that is easer to pronounce like yours, for example. It's all relative. Sometimes giving your real name is an asset. Even a few well-known authors and others changed their names and kept those names til they died. Other times, it's nothing.
        You could always request that your name be changed via Warrior support but you would have to start building a reputation with that name. Its a difficult choice to make going forward. I faced a similar dilemma a few weeks ago but I was lucky in that I had at least chosen my first name as my username.
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    • Profile picture of the author Akibahoward
      Originally Posted by Shaleniie Devi View Post

      ...I'm telling this based on my own experience of having a non-English name. It does get frustrating with all the mispronunciations and despite repeated attempts to teach them by breaking down my name, some people still don't get it.... I just leave them be foreign names are hard to get right if you're not a native.

      Still these minor issues don't deter me from using my real name - I'd like to see it as a gift from my parents (I was named after a popular Indian actress :p) and I'm proud of it.

      In any case, if you REALLY don't like your name, there are always laws in which you can change your name to one you desire and that rolls on the tongue easily legally

      Just my 2 cents...
      <- Look at MINE. Imagine the numerous ways IT has been pronounced...

      Originally Posted by TerryAnny View Post

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      Excellent solution!

      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      If you'll excuse the observation (meant with absolutely no hostility or criticism at all, I hasten to mention!), it's possible that being "Webwriter" here rather than using your real name isn't going to help you too much in that regard. This is a very well frequented, highly respected, high-PR forum and not itself a bad place to make moves toward becoming known. "Just saying".
      But THIS, this was I believe, the comment that caught my eye. See, I saw something a bit deeper in the OP's post. THIS comment made me reflect on something that (being IN the Mind Warrior thread) I didn't initially notice.

      "I don't like my name". I promise not to go all psychological on you but that is an interesting place to start, if you ask me. That is YOU. Your name is who you are. They all aren't pretty, but it's who OWNS it that makes 'it' what IT is....(whew...a lot of its')

      Ok, so seriously, I just feel as if that is a great place to start, with the premise that you ARE great, you ARE worthy of BEING known, and with that, SO IS YOUR NAME....

      Now, before I posted, I read through a lot of other replies, and noticed many other people do not post their name here. As one other commenter said "maybe it's ok NOT to be known", and if that is ok in your niche, DO IT! Be Anon!

      BUT, if you are in the 'helping people' biz, them being able to connect with you is crucial. And that starts with Who You Are.

      Even if you use the (using YOUR term) ugliness as a tool. Turn a negative into a positive. Add a Pronunciation Key to your sig file, so people DON'T miss it.

      I can see it now - mine would be

      Akiba
      (Uh-Key-Buh...Get It RIGHT! please..)
      Changing Marketing forever...

      Someting like the quote above is great and simple. Just use it, BELIEVE in it, and embrace it please. It IS you.

      (My 2 cents...)

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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Help others around you in every way possible. Enrich others. Worry about giving, not receiving. You will then become known in a good way. Becoming known isn't enough, you must be known for creating value and helping others.
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    • Profile picture of the author webwriter
      That's exactly what I'm trying to do, both in these forums and in my blog. I enjoy doing this and will continue to do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author chris562
      I agree with you Kenster, I'm also a newbie & being new to something we or I often feel incompetent of not knowing what to contribute or how to contribute. But I 100% agree that if you give you will receive multiplied.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenster
        Originally Posted by chris562 View Post

        I agree with you Kenster, I'm also a newbie & being new to something we or I often feel incompetent of not knowing what to contribute or how to contribute. But I 100% agree that if you give you will receive multiplied.
        Absolutely...that is so true for nearly every business out there. The more you give and the more value you provide, the more you will get in return. It may not come quick and may not be obvious, but I truly believe that giving is the formula for long term sustainable success!
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    • Profile picture of the author AchTi
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      Help others around you in every way possible. Enrich others. Worry about giving, not receiving. You will then become known in a good way. Becoming known isn't enough, you must be known for creating value and helping others.
      I hear that a whole lot. "Focus on Helping others"
      You would think that Internet Marketing is about charity work! But I would say that that is the reason newbies fail. They get in thinking it is about making a killing and then being this instant super star that everyone envys. Truth is, it is all about helping others!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenster
        Originally Posted by AchTi View Post

        I hear that a whole lot. "Focus on Helping others"
        You would think that Internet Marketing is about charity work! But I would say that that is the reason newbies fail. They get in thinking it is about making a killing and then being this instant super star that everyone envys. Truth is, it is all about helping others!

        So true, so true. Most people know this is what you need to do, but few people actually do it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Raygun
    It all goes back to the old says about it is not what you know but who you know that can get you somewhere. The longer I understand this the more I realize the importance of the the mastermind alliance that Napoleon Hill talks about in Think and Grow Rich.
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  • Profile picture of the author AwesomePossum
    Nice Thread WR and Nice Post Raygun,

    Mastermind is by far the most underacted concept in business....plus it's soo much easier to be known to be inside of a group of people....it's much easier than going into business alone. I think that there is a better defined way to use mastermind in the Law of Success.

    Also,
    Just a thought, but I'm thinkin a great way to get known is to get know the people that are active and known in forums your in and start talking to them...also, getting involved in new forums and websites before they launch has potential.

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    • Profile picture of the author webwriter
      Originally Posted by AwesomePossum View Post

      Nice Thread WR and Nice Post Raygun,

      Mastermind is by far the most underacted concept in business....plus it's soo much easier to be known to be inside of a group of people....it's much easier than going into business alone. I think that there is a better defined way to use mastermind in the Law of Success.

      Also,
      Just a thought, but I'm thinkin a great way to get known is to get know the people that are active and known in forums your in and start talking to them...also, getting involved in new forums and websites before they launch has potential.

      Aaryn
      Your point is well taken and I thank you.

      Talking to the active people on these and other forums is something that I haven't thought about doing. In the forum where I gradually got to know the webmaster, I recall replying to her posts frequently. Consequently, she joined my forum in return and helped me to improve my website.

      Thanks again, AP.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingguy2
    Getting your name branded or even your product will always come down to how good your content is that you are offering
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Newman
    Being known is an asset.Why do celebrities attract that level of attention and fortune? But a better way of looking at it is what are you known for? I believe that if one persists in creating and sharing what enriches others,it is only a question of time before one is rewarded immensely.
    It is hard to argue about masterminds,and I wonder why it is not explored as often as other strategies.Can those who have experience organizing mastermind groups help us by writing short reports on their experiences?
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  • Profile picture of the author fasteasysuccess
    The main way to change all that is positioning. It doesn't matter if you're brand new or experienced, if you know a little more than someone else you can help them and you are the "expert". Why should they come to you versus anyone else? How are you unique and most importantly what kind of value can you give them?

    Get the knowledge, take immediate action, and continue to give give give value and you will see that people will be seeking you versus the next guy. You can become a local or nationwide celebrity, whatever you want to do learn from someone that's doing it and take action now.

    If it feels like a lot to handle, then simply break it down into steps and each step celebrate your accomplishment and keep moving forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Offer good quality products etc, there is so much dross around here that if you do you will quickly pick up interest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Nash
    Well first of all, never give up. You don't have to be "known" or "famous" to be able to make a lot of money if that's a goal in your life (thats my goal - in my opinion, you can do everything with money. But that's another story...).

    May I ask, why do you want to become known or famous so badly? Being a "celeb" is probaby not so fun all the time. But I guess the "celebs" within moneymaking online doesn't have all those annoying paparazzis around them, hehe.

    But to become known, you have to stick out from the crowd. To stand out. Do something original that has never been done. Product and marketing is probably 50/50.

    If you are interested in at least getting your name a little bit known... You maybe are willing to do a big event/live seminar where you invite people from all over the world - or just locals, paying a fee of $100 (cheap, and that is why so many will come) and then you are on the right track.

    "Making money online for newbies - All ages". You get the idea...

    Having the highest price might give it the impression that it is exclusive. But not always. I suggest that You (whoever that will try this out sometime), start with a low price and continue with it for a while.

    Low price = More people = More known.



    Good luck with your goal :-).


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  • Originally Posted by webwriter View Post

    I, like other newbies, am working hard to achieve success.

    But I can't see that happening any time soon because for the most part, I am unknown. No one has heard of me yet or is familiar with my articles and ebook. I feel that until I can become better known, I will be able to sell my stuff a lot easier, since all of it focuses on solving various problems.

    A few years ago, I began posting on a website focusing on stress. This website was unique in that its forum included about five or six "basic" questions that anyone could feel comfortable in answering, such as "What did you do today?" A number of posters wrote short, but interesting stories. I also contributed a few over time. Consequently, the forum's owner became familiar with me and began posting on my writing-related forum. Turns out she happened to be a very competent webmaster and helped me rewrite part of my website.

    My point is that it wasn't until I became known that I began receiving comments on my forum. The other posters who left comments on my forum were the result of a small ad in a writing-related newsletter.

    I'm also sure that if I had ebooks to offer for free or for money, I would have earned a good income.

    Become known. Just something to think about.
    I agree that we need to be well known. But I want to add something I think is important.

    I would say that there are two ways to become well known.

    1. To make your product known.

    2. To make yourself famous.

    Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

    Some people have managed to built a big campaign around them, and made themselves the stars, some make their product the star.

    For example, one of the people who belong to those who made themselves major product larger than product itself, is well known Anthony Robbins.

    He could make a product, without his name. But he decided this. And succeeded!

    It is a matter of personal choice. I like my privacy, and protect it as much as I can. I prefer to make the product famous than myself...
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  • Profile picture of the author BethHewitt
    I would just keep at it, add value everyday, try to help others, be confident. I know you say you dont like your name but if it is unusual then it is more likely to stand out and people will remember it.

    I used to hate doing video because I have a british accent and not an american one but i realised that this was infact a great asset as would stand out more in certain countries.

    Good Luck. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author armadin
      How do the known become known? By the tip of the sowrd they claim their kingdom (brute force but generally not a good way) or the prefered way of just making a lot of connections.

      I am pretty fresh here too but here are a few tips which I can add and that I am setting my mind on at the moment

      1) Reply to posts, not for the sake of post count but to try and answer questions other begginers have.

      2) Ask other warriors if you can help them, do some free stuff for them if you can or if you have the time (anything in general from reviewing an offer, book or doing something for their content)

      3) Focus on bettering yourself rather then being known, the most recognized individuals are known for their quality, generosity and good character

      4) Perhaps related to tip 2 but really important, continue building good relationships with other marketers, so chose wisely how you speak and refrain from futile arguments, people are also measured by their use of words and someone that expresses poorly or in a bad manner will not be the kind of person people wish to know.

      5) Lastly, think about your unique qualities and interests that can define you better. I tend to get a better response in life if I stick to subjects in which I am well versed in but by all means, do get involved in things that are foreign too, we always learn more like that.

      Playacting in a subject is not like being dishonest, basically you use what you know and allow other people to fill in the blanks.

      Hope this helps a bit, I am a freshamn too but these are just some lessons I learned from life and spending time reading threads.

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  • Profile picture of the author SEOExpert104
    You don't make yourself popular, others make you.
    I was interviewed, and a few more now know me, but I'm not really popular, I'm still in the egg.
    To be popular, it takes months and years, it's not that simple, you have to do something amazing, be really helpful, people will recommend you and etc, you will see your name more often
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  • Profile picture of the author npope
    well if you are known and people knows you in a positive sense than in language of accounting it is known as intangible asset which will help you to stable your postion and for making furthur process
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    • Profile picture of the author LindseyRainwater
      I've been trying to make a name for myself as well as a freelance writer, and I'm going about it by trying to provide quality and complete satisfaction.

      I believe that if you stick to your guns as far never cutting corners and never making excuses, you are in a better position for "becoming known." Not to mention that helping other along the way will make you a lot of allies. Many people seem to miss this part. (Which I don't get. Many people on this forum have that figured out and are doing well! So it just seems like common sense.)

      But one of the most important things is setting good goals and never allowing yourself to be swayed from achieving them. If you are determined to do something, you will get there one way or another. On your way to getting there, you will probably become known just for your unwavering efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author TerryAnny
    Just put the name you want to "get known" in your signature. It's easier that way.

    I feel ya' though. I used to troll the freelancer websites, putting in dozens of bids before getting a bite.

    Eventually, I gathered a handful of regular customers that were marketers and after a while it finally sank in. Why in the hell was I begging for scraps when I could have them coming to me, asking me to write for them?!?!

    the results: still out for review ;-)

    I guess my point is that getting known as a writer is a reasonable goal. good luck, keep us updated on your successes.
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  • Profile picture of the author faithyunn
    Well I think its also depend on your niche, if your niche is something that is common and popular and most of the people are looking for this then you will be known to your market indeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author WarrenPeterson
    Originally Posted by webwriter View Post

    I, like other newbies, am working hard to achieve success.

    But I can't see that happening any time soon because for the most part, I am unknown. No one has heard of me yet or is familiar with my articles and ebook. I feel that until I can become better known, I will be able to sell my stuff a lot easier, since all of it focuses on solving various problems.

    ....
    Do you want to be known and/or popular or do you want to generate more revenue to your business?

    They are not necessarily related.

    I know many people I will never purchase anything from.

    I also have bought things from many people I just met.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackiej21
    You're right people will gravitate towards those they know and feel comfortable with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Gray
    Don't do thing for being known. Do things for just good reasons. help others, guide others, advise those who really need it. these all good things will make you known one day.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterbizcoach
    In internet, becoming known is something you contribute the community which is useful. Every IMer's know how to suggest useful products specially tools to make the work easier. So the best way to become known is to contribute by providing useful information, tools and etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidfrankk
    When on the internet, becoming known is something everyone is interested in. Apart form being great for your online business, it is nice to know that you are a person who is well known for the good things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martinsee
    to become known, i used to spend 3 months hardworking.
    is it nice or bad ?
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    It entails a lot of hardwork to get a name. Just do what you do best..
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    • Profile picture of the author Nice Nastahsa
      I know I have the same problem. I just started a new adult product...

      Nipplebands.com

      I am trying to figure out how to market it, without any funds. I ran out of money getting it all together.

      Any ideas?
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      • Profile picture of the author Akibahoward
        Originally Posted by Nice Nastahsa View Post

        I know I have the same problem. I just started a new adult product...

        Nipplebands.com

        I am trying to figure out how to market it, without any funds. I ran out of money getting it all together.

        Any ideas?
        Nastasha - I just sent you an PM. Check it. I think you may be surprised...

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      • Profile picture of the author Akibahoward
        Originally Posted by Nice Nastahsa View Post

        I know I have the same problem. I just started a new adult product...

        Nipplebands.com

        I am trying to figure out how to market it, without any funds. I ran out of money getting it all together.

        Any ideas?
        Another thought Nastasha, as I was sitting here thinking about your product offer. THere are a few things I see clearly of concern, that I would definitely adjust before attempting a launch.

        1. The look in unique, but likely, not very functional. Youre BRAND new here, and so you have a bit of a learning curve to ride, but my first thought would be to send you to a few threads dealing with Sales Funnels. Maybe you can find a warrior here who would be willing to help you to develop a sales funnel around this product.

        Personally, I have found a bit of a turn off factor for actual 'products'. Internet marketing is more about the SELL, so it will be a bit harder to find the right person, but when you DO, it can mean ALL the difference.

        2. The product. You seem to be doing a LOT of the sell, and you are doing what I did early on - tried to reinvent the wheel to match what I THOUGHT were my special needs. You have spent a great deal of time on your site with TONS of testimonials, TONS of soft core pics (nice touch) and some interesting but not HARD sell copy.

        What you are clearly missing is the product. I have NO idea what the product looks like. AND NO, I don't need to see a nipple to see the product, but I promise you, it's going to be a HARD sell without even a picture of the product in a package.

        Take some time out here in the WF (I would suggest about a 30-45 day INTENSE DAILY) to read and learn about sales funnels, WP, product design. NONE of this will cost you IF you do it right. Engage in this forum as much as you can, ask questions and be involved.

        If you do, you will GET answers, and someone will notice you and your product and possibly take note and help you out.

        3rd and finally, take your time. I know the feeling you have now ('spent all my money developing this thing'). I and MOST of the Warriors here have been there. MAny of us are STILL there and working to get up and out of that predicament.

        Perseverance is the ONLY key. If you get a sec, go read my blog posts, specifically about the Journey. It is NOT short, it is NOT quick and easy, but it IS rewarding if you apply yourself.

        After all, if you have bought anything online (and the design of your page indicates you probably have spent a few dollars here and there) you know that almost ALL 'gurus' say this over and over - PUT IN THE WORK or IF YOU FOLLOW ALL MY STEPS.

        Well, truth be told, most of us don't, and that is why so many people AREN'T manking money. You do NOT need to reinvent the wheel to be successful with almost ANY product.

        Build a solid and quality sales funnel. Showcase THE PRODUCT. Build the right relationships HERE and in a few other strategic places. THEN LAUNCH and LAUNCH BIG!

        I imagine your product is very much like the new versions of 'lube' we all see on TV nowadays. Most people would NEVER walk down that aisle at the store in the middle of the day, but NOW, now that it has been associated with HAPPY and WOMEN and OPEN GOOD LOVIN, its now OK to go get some.

        Your product will likely have plenty of women (and men) coming out of the 'hidden' woodworks to stimulate their nipples.

        Ok, before I get one of the Mod's on my back, I'll let the blood retract. (wink wink)

        Good luck to you, and please do take a look at the email I sent. AS well, I hope this answers some other questions some may have about getting going with something new and unique...

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      • Profile picture of the author KillKenny
        Originally Posted by Nice Nastahsa View Post

        I know I have the same problem. I just started a new adult product...

        Nipplebands.com

        I am trying to figure out how to market it, without any funds. I ran out of money getting it all together.

        Any ideas?
        Back in my day, the only thing you needed 'erect' was the male parts.

        On a more serious note, besides everything Akibahoward pointed out, you also need to work on the visuals of your website. Looks like it was built in the 90s. No offense. But if you expect people to buy then your website should be visually appealing and have a great call to action.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    Cool post.

    Yeah I think that becoming known will greatly improve your income and status and credibility for sure...but the first feeling I got from this initial post when I read it was...this came from someone who had to work on the marketing side of things,..vs worrying about becoming known...to achieve success.

    I think that if you would have experienced results....like making money from marketing...and then becoming known from those results..you would have conveyed a much different vibe in your post.

    I thought about this and often times I feel that we focus on the wrong things...especially when trying to get your business off the ground. Instead focus on the basics of the marketing to get results first.
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  • If you want to be known, then become known. Send out press releases via prweb or other press release sites. Your name or company will start generating in the search engines, make helpful posts on forums in the niches you want to be known in...eventually you'll become known. That's what branding is all about.

    Since you don't like your name then you must first figure out what do you want to be known about you: Either your, your company, or your products.

    Most successful businesses brand the company. Unless it's the IM world or freelancers, you hardly ever see the company's CEO being the primary focus of the brand. It's the brand itself, like Coca Cola, Starbucks, Nike, Apple (Steve Jobs is the exception).
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    Hmm I think your idea that you NEED to be known gets in your way. It fills you with negativity that you will never make it.

    You don't need to be known. You just need to focus outside of yourself and help other people. While you may know some gurus who chose to put their name out there, there are an equal amount of successful marketers who makes a lot of money but does not have the popularity. It is your choice if you want to be known and be successful. But you can be successful without it as long as you do your share of helping other people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aussie-Jim
    Alriiiighty then... Names and tough love - here comes my oversized, kid's dream-sized ice-cream super dollop of feedback, Webwriter.

    Firstly, I have some tough love coming your way and I hope it helps. It is intended to be just that, help.

    I teach business people and writers in the real world to take one lesson on board above all others - you will not get anywhere if you wait for it to be the right %&**& time.

    Want to be known? Want to be noticed?

    Do something note-worthy!

    Don't want to be a writer or want to be known, BE a writer and you will be known.

    I'm nothing special OK my kids disagree, but they're biased!) I was there, writing and hoping to be discovered... but then, on the last day of a writing retreat, the event coordinator posed a question we all had to answer "Where will you be this time next year?"

    When it was finally my turn and the repeated chorus was along the lines of writing more or studying more writers' work, I stood up and, amidst titters and rolling eyes, said "I will have a book finished or be under contract (by a publisher)"

    Eleven months and (I think it was) 21 days later, I signed the paper to ghost-write my first (paid) book contract. I had no writing background other than scribbling and telling stories to umpteen nieces and nephews - I just made a decision to do something.

    So do it - show the world who you are.

    Now.


    OK - Now on to Names...

    The downside of writing a published book (I'm up to my second with my name on the cover - no more ghost writing for me) is that people think they OWN you.

    The publisher makes you feel as if you need to send each public post on Facebook or Twitter past their PR department before clicking submit and the readers can get downright freaky in the way they feel ownership of and friendship with you. It's not Misery but it feels far too close for comfort.

    So there is a Pig's Butt In A Butcher's Shop Chance of me sharing my name here unless some trust has been earned on an individual basis and business is to be done requiring signatures, etc...

    To avoid being a hypocrite, I would never insist on others using their real names. This is the Internet, so I assume any sane person with a family will have a buffer of make-believe between them and potential issues, quadrupaliciously so, if they have a young family.

    So call yourself Webwriter or Plato, as long as you do something noteworthy, people will take notice.

    Hey! Stop reading this... go...

    DO!

    ... My far, far, far more than 2 cents worth.
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