Where to draw the line at accepting failure

by swords
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Hello Warriors. If you don't want to hear some *sob* story, don't read this. This is not intended to be a sob story by any means, but most people will unfortunately stereotype it as so. I hope some higher Warriors (or anyone) can provide some insight for any Warriors such as myself.



Let me start off by saying that I am a 17 year old kid, middle-class typical American family. Straight A student, highest in my class of 40ish. I am not some money crazed 'kid' that thinks he will become rich overnight.


August 7, 2010


That's when it all started. I purchased 'The Flipping Teen' by Caleb Spilchen, being highly influenced by a person around the same age as I. I had been paid $5 on Fiverr to post on someone's account here on the Warrior Forum (spam ftw?), and while reading topics to get a relative idea on what to post, I got interested. IM had officially hooked me in.


To this date, I have yet to make a dime from anything that I have learned from this forum. No harshness intended. I said I learned, but have yet to make a dime. Being that middle-class American, I typically work in the summer making around $7-$8 an hour, doing hard, physical, work. Construction, farming, whatever... It's not my cup of tea!

So to take all of this hard, earned, money and to spend nearly $400 on WSOs really says something about my drive. I'm a 'techy', I love the internet. I see it's potential! Some of that $400 was made off of stupid purchases, but many great ones! I truly believe that every single WSO or eBook about internet marketing has one thing to be learned from it. You will NEVER stop learning, no matter what!


I am done purchasing WSOs, I have all the knowledge needed to make some amount of money, but I just can't accomplish it, it seems. I have taken action, I have about 5 domains with product reviews, a few advertising campaigns for affiliate links for ClickBank.... but I have yet to see a single dime... and I say that truthfully. The only money I have made online is from a site I made before learning about IM, so I don't really count that. To top it off, it only makes me about $0.30 a day :/.


Recently I tried creating a 'Warrior For Hire' thread, offering article writing services. I have great English grammar and punctuation (look at this post), in my opinion anyways. I then changed that Warrior For Hire thread to a backlink service (located in my signature). The backlink service that I offer is beyond phenomenal from what I know about IM. High Page Rank + DoFollow = great backlinks. I don't need to go into details about the service itself (it's in the thread), but I have yet to have one person interested. I see similar threads in the WFH section that charge $29.99 for 250 PR4 - PR8 backlinks. I offer 405 PR4 - PR8, all DoFollow for $15 only! What am I missing there? Credentials? A reputation?


So today, I ask you fellow Warriors... Where do I draw the line? I appreciate any motivation that comes, I will read it with gratitude, but I want straight up answers. I want only the deepest truth from anyone.

Should I give up?

I've read around the Warrior Forum since that day in August. I see many people with the same issue, if anything... this thread can be a guide for anyone else in my same position.



This is where I say:

/rant
#accepting #draw #failure #line
  • Profile picture of the author DomenicoGrecojr
    Hey Swords,

    You should give up when:

    - you hate what you are doing with IM
    - you don't believe in making money online
    - you don't have enough money to pursue your goal

    Even if money is a problem, I would still come back to continue internet marketing and carry on.

    For the Warrior For Hire thread, it is probably because you don't have a reputable name in this forum and not enough posts. There are lots of article writers and with good post count, so they would get preference.

    For your online business, I would advise you to stick with ONE thing only.

    If it's building back links, then focus on offering services for building backlinks and creating a product/coaching for it.

    Continue to test and improve in this area until you are happy with your conversions and are getting some sales. Then move on to another area since you have made a name for yourself.

    If you stay focused on one area, I can safely say that is would be extremely hard for you not to get any sales. There are a lot of crappy websites with awful sales copy and they manage to make some money. So I don't think you should have a problem if you really work at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joel_Cowen
    Drive is a big determining factor. some of the best guys online have "failed"'badly, bit the continue on. I would also say stick with one thing for a while. Dave Ramsey has a great formula he runs his business by, it's focused intensity over time, multiplied by God, equals unstoppable momentum.

    You have to keep at it, keep falling (that's how you learn), and keep getting back up.
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    • Profile picture of the author swords
      Originally Posted by DomenicoGrecojr View Post

      Hey Swords,

      You should give up when:

      - you hate what you are doing with IM
      - you don't believe in making money online
      - you don't have enough money to pursue your goal

      Even if money is a problem, I would still come back to continue internet marketing and carry on.

      For the Warrior For Hire thread, it is probably because you don't have a reputable name in this forum and not enough posts. There are lots of article writers and with good post count, so they would get preference.

      For your online business, I would advise you to stick with ONE thing only.

      If it's building back links, then focus on offering services for building backlinks and creating a product/coaching for it.

      Continue to test and improve in this area until you are happy with your conversions and are getting some sales. Then move on to another area since you have made a name for yourself.

      If you stay focused on one area, I can safely say that is would be extremely hard for you not to get any sales. There are a lot of crappy websites with awful sales copy and they manage to make some money. So I don't think you should have a problem if you really work at it.
      What about 'niche' sites though? These are all different areas in theory. Unless you mean, 'services'. Niche sites being a blog type, backlinking being a type, etc.

      Originally Posted by Joel_Cowen View Post

      Drive is a big determining factor. some of the best guys online have "failed"'badly, bit the continue on. I would also say stick with one thing for a while. Dave Ramsey has a great formula he runs his business by, it's focused intensity over time, multiplied by God, equals unstoppable momentum.

      You have to keep at it, keep falling (that's how you learn), and keep getting back up.
      I have fallen pretty far. Like I stated, I have spent $400 of hard earned money. My family is not rich by any means. Parents make $40k each a year. This kind of money is agonizing to see let go, but never come back. I have yet 'to get back up'.

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  • Profile picture of the author mobiusman
    Sounds like you're coming along fine if you ask me. A very successful executive once said "Want to double your success rate? Triple your failure rate."

    Hey, you did say you're not a get rich quick kind of guy. You have youth on your side and that's a huge advantage. If you choose this path (IM) then you need to pick up some scrapes, broken bones, and scars. It's all part of the game.

    Failing is not the problem. Being unable to adapt to stuff that happens to you is.
    Charles Darwin found that out over 150 years ago.

    You seem to me to be a bright guy. Look at some of your school mates. Are they studying marketing and learning how to write copy? Or are they playing around on Facebook or burning up valuable time with their xBox? I'll put my bets for success in life on a guy like you.

    The average millionaire in America tried and failed at seven things before finding the sweet spot that worked for them. Don't give up if want to win. But use "intelligent" gut persistence to guide you along the path.

    Good on ya.
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    • Profile picture of the author swords
      Originally Posted by mobiusman View Post

      Sounds like you're coming along fine if you ask me. A very successful executive once said "Want to double your success rate? Triple your failure rate."

      Hey, you did say you're not a get rich quick kind of guy. You have youth on your side and that's a huge advantage. If you choose this path (IM) then you need to pick up some scrapes, broken bones, and scars. It's all part of the game.

      Failing is not the problem. Being unable to adapt to stuff that happens to you is.
      Charles Darwin found that out over 150 years ago.

      You seem to me to be a bright guy. Look at some of your school mates. Are they studying marketing and learning how to write copy? Or are they playing around on Facebook or burning up valuable time with their xBox? I'll put my bets for success in life on a guy like you.

      The average millionaire in America tried and failed at seven things before finding the sweet spot that worked for them. Don't give up if want to win. But use "intelligent" gut persistence to guide you along the path.

      Good on ya.
      I have sat in bed many nights thinking about this same concept. I do have a life, do not get me wrong there. But where my fellow classmates go wrong is the spare time on there hands.

      I quote Cartman (Southpark) from the episode Make Love, Not Warcraft

      You can just hang around outside in the sun all day, tossing a ball around, or you can sit at your computer and do something that matters!
      Which is what is really comes down to. I have come to reason that... what possible positivity will become of playing COD MW2, or Halo Reach. Not only are they just shooters, but they don't even have a storyline to them (online anyhow). The one and only thing they give is some fun, and not even much of that!

      Your first sentence "Sounds like you're coming along fine if you ask me." I cannot agree on. Maybe it's my declining attitude to internet marketing. I just have always wanted to see just a TINY TINY return on anything. Even if one site makes me $0.50 a day I'd be God awful happy. That has yet to happen though . Failure is part of success, I know this. Warren Buffet failed many times in the stock market, but came out on top in the end.

      Thanks for your words. That quote reminded me that as long as I'm not spending money anymore, I'm not really at loss for anything. Because if I didn't have IM to do, I would be playing COD myself, out of sheer boredom.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shania
    I guess we all have to pass through the tough stage. I'm relatively new in this forum, trying to stay focused and develop my Article Writing business. This thread speaks to me very personally because I do have those moments too. Hey, lets keep at it. We shall get there if we don't give up.
    I totally enjoy what I do and that is really motivating!
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    • Profile picture of the author helenaldin
      Swords,

      I'm a bit surprised that no one else has mentioned this.

      You said you aren't a "get rich quick" kind of guy...but are wondering why you haven't seen a return on the investment you've made yet.

      You wouldn't plant a crop one night and then return the following morning, demanding a bountiful harvest!

      I agree with what everyone else has said - this stuff's DEFINITELY a learning experience and I applaud you for getting started at such a young age.

      But keep in mind that the marketing behind the information you're offering is going to be just as key.

      What are you doing to drive traffic to your sites every day? Are you blogging? PPC? Direct mail?

      By looking at what you're doing to drive traffic, we can ascertain whether you have a marketing problem or a niching problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    swords,

    My forte is asking questions. It is what I DO best. So,

    Where will you be in ONE year from today (it is Nov. 1, 2010)?

    Are you off to college? Or where?

    See, the reason for your frustration and lack of any income isn't because it is 'REQUIRED' to get bumps and bruises, as many say...it does NOT have to be part of the experience.

    Those educational "hard knocks" come as a result of poor planning. If you were to search my posts here at WF, you'd find me to be a one trick pony, and that is PLANNING.

    You came, looked around, found a voice or two which spoke to you, particularly from others of your age and you said to yourself (as they told you to)..."if he did then so can I." AND off you went to the races, buying WSO and trying to do what they did.

    NOW, 400 bux later and NO results, you are scratching your head. And so many people will tell you that you must spend a lot of money to learn, you must FAIL FAIL FAIL to succeed.

    It is the pablam fed to the masses who never take the time to THINK and to plan and to know why they are doing the activity they are doing on a daily basis. It comes from a lack of planning.

    Spend two hours going over this forum and you'll see a few CENTRAL themes taking place. These are FRUSTRATION over a lack of progress after spending hundreds and even thousands of dollars on WSO and other packages.

    A lack of focus. (Everyday someone wants to know how to overcome procrastination).

    A lack of direction.

    ALL of these "problems" are a direct result of NOT having a detailed plan of action, with specific goals and time frames and a good reason WHY for having the goal to start.

    Consider this:

    IF you are going to college, and IF you follow the tested and proven PLAN which has produced millions of college graduates, you too will become one of them.

    The "standard" PLAN is to go 4 years. Take X number of credits a semester (quarter) fulfill the requirements of the college you choose, get passing grades, complete the PLAN, get a diploma.

    And people go tens of thousands in DEBT following that plan to get a higher education.

    NOW, what if you had a PLAN, a part-time PLAN for the next 4 years which took you to a certain income goal. And all you have to do is follow the plan? Well you could come out of college a debt free person, with CASH in your hands and TWO educations, one with a diploma behind it, the other with the HOW TO behind.

    Don't you think in the next 4 years you could become THE expert on ___________ in IM? Does it matter what? Only if you say so.

    Could be CPA, PLR, SEO, Video, Google TV, any of 101 things. YOU create your own "degreee" and become the expert and you'll have phenomenon success.

    Since NO one else here will tell you this, here goes:

    START with a definite Plan Of Action, with a goal with numbers (cash) and deadlines (dates) and a WHOPPING big reason WHY you want to reach that goal....

    then you'll stop spinning your wheels and you'll know on a daily basis EXACTLY what you have to do and it eliminates chasing after greener pastures (the ones filled with cow pies) and you'll get to where you want to go.

    gjabiz

    PS. Sure, every once in awhile a whiz "kid" comes along, or someone who hits a home run first time at bat, and they live off of their success selling their one-off or unique results to others who buy the, "if I did it, you can too" routine. IF that were true, we'd all be doing THE thing which brings in the most money with the least effort. Alas, we're not.
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    • Profile picture of the author jlmconnection
      Remember this one idea: no great result was ever achieved without great effort. A crucial part of your effort must be planning. You must know, without any question, where you are going and how you will get there. There will always be a learning curve in any new endeavor but that is just part of the process. Take a step back and objectively look at where you are and where you want to be one year, three years, even five years from now and begin your detailed planning. Any plan must be flexible in some areas but you must establish a goal that is the one goal you are completely committed to attaining, a goal that inspires you and helps you move through the "tough" days.

      Plan, focus, persevere and success will be yours.

      I wish you great success
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    • Profile picture of the author AmericanWoman888
      Brilliant...just brilliant.

      I wish I knew you 3 years ago.

      Thank you for this.

      I hope it helps you Swords - it is the 'key'......

      AW888

      Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

      swords,

      My forte is asking questions. It is what I DO best. So,

      Where will you be in ONE year from today (it is Nov. 1, 2010)?

      Are you off to college? Or where?

      See, the reason for your frustration and lack of any income isn't because it is 'REQUIRED' to get bumps and bruises, as many say...it does NOT have to be part of the experience.

      Those educational "hard knocks" come as a result of poor planning. If you were to search my posts here at WF, you'd find me to be a one trick pony, and that is PLANNING.

      You came, looked around, found a voice or two which spoke to you, particularly from others of your age and you said to yourself (as they told you to)..."if he did then so can I." AND off you went to the races, buying WSO and trying to do what they did.

      NOW, 400 bux later and NO results, you are scratching your head. And so many people will tell you that you must spend a lot of money to learn, you must FAIL FAIL FAIL to succeed.

      It is the pablam fed to the masses who never take the time to THINK and to plan and to know why they are doing the activity they are doing on a daily basis. It comes from a lack of planning.

      Spend two hours going over this forum and you'll see a few CENTRAL themes taking place. These are FRUSTRATION over a lack of progress after spending hundreds and even thousands of dollars on WSO and other packages.

      A lack of focus. (Everyday someone wants to know how to overcome procrastination).

      A lack of direction.

      ALL of these "problems" are a direct result of NOT having a detailed plan of action, with specific goals and time frames and a good reason WHY for having the goal to start.

      Consider this:

      IF you are going to college, and IF you follow the tested and proven PLAN which has produced millions of college graduates, you too will become one of them.

      The "standard" PLAN is to go 4 years. Take X number of credits a semester (quarter) fulfill the requirements of the college you choose, get passing grades, complete the PLAN, get a diploma.

      And people go tens of thousands in DEBT following that plan to get a higher education.

      NOW, what if you had a PLAN, a part-time PLAN for the next 4 years which took you to a certain income goal. And all you have to do is follow the plan? Well you could come out of college a debt free person, with CASH in your hands and TWO educations, one with a diploma behind it, the other with the HOW TO behind.

      Don't you think in the next 4 years you could become THE expert on ___________ in IM? Does it matter what? Only if you say so.

      Could be CPA, PLR, SEO, Video, Google TV, any of 101 things. YOU create your own "degreee" and become the expert and you'll have phenomenon success.

      Since NO one else here will tell you this, here goes:

      START with a definite Plan Of Action, with a goal with numbers (cash) and deadlines (dates) and a WHOPPING big reason WHY you want to reach that goal....

      then you'll stop spinning your wheels and you'll know on a daily basis EXACTLY what you have to do and it eliminates chasing after greener pastures (the ones filled with cow pies) and you'll get to where you want to go.

      gjabiz

      PS. Sure, every once in awhile a whiz "kid" comes along, or someone who hits a home run first time at bat, and they live off of their success selling their one-off or unique results to others who buy the, "if I did it, you can too" routine. IF that were true, we'd all be doing THE thing which brings in the most money with the least effort. Alas, we're not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruby Rynne
    August to November is not long. Some people see results in this kind of timeframe, the vast majority do not.

    Two things I would say to you. First, Ross Perot (billionaire that looks like ET, ran unsuccessfully for the US Presidency a few elections back) said "90% of people who fail give up within 100 yards of the finish line". In my experience, if you're feeling the way you say you are feeling, you're within 100 yards of the finish line. Now is not the time to give up.

    Second, I made my first sale within 7 days of starting IM. But that was a long time ago. How I did it was I thought about something *I* wanted to know, but didn't know. I went out and I found out the answer (did a little barter and trade with someone who DID know the answer), then I sold that information. It was something that was very specific to a percentage of the residents of ONE country (not the US), and I knew that if *I* wanted to know, so would other people. I gambled that they would be prepared to pay for the info, and they were.

    These days it would take longer to get the SE ranking than it did back in 1997, but there MANY more people (prospective customers) online and many more avenues to get their attention, so it about evens out.

    Everything you read about 'hungry buyers' and 'hot niches' is true, but you have to think outside the box a little. I didn't do weight loss, acne, dating, forex... None of the 'niches' you may have heard of were anything to do with it. It was a simple piece if information about how to acquire something that I knew must be available somehow, but wasn't publically advertised anywhere (online or off).

    So think, what do YOU want to know that you don't currently know? Where could you get the information from? Then get it, package it, and sell it. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author webspider20
    If you are considering giving up then do it now. Most internet marketers will give up within the first month of even trying. I didn't see any money until my third month in and it was because I was targetting competitive keywords. At that time I didn't know what keyword research was and after I learned that all my sob stories turn into happy ones.

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    • Profile picture of the author swords
      Originally Posted by webspider20 View Post

      If you are considering giving up then do it now. Most internet marketers will give up within the first month of even trying. I didn't see any money until my third month in and it was because I was targetting competitive keywords. At that time I didn't know what keyword research was and after I learned that all my sob stories turn into happy ones.

      Try learning something new if what you are doing isn't working.
      I am my third month in... :/



      To everyone else. I have plans! I've been putting them into action since I started here.

      As a trusting person, I'll share my niches that I have done a bit of keyword research on and that I think might be profitable. I would expect you to honor my wishes and not try to steal my niche in any way. Thanks


      buycataclysm.net <-- 2nd page.... moving up slowly

      televisionremote.net <--- Not ranked... not sure why, I used the same backlinks as buycataclysm

      Those are my 2 review sites. I have one domain now that I plan on 'flipping', but no need to share that one since nothing can be done on it other than market it to local businesses to sell to.

      Thanks for everyone's responses so far!
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  • Profile picture of the author jointaldc
    You haven't been doing it that long... granted $400 is not play money, but you still need more time. I saw minimum profit for the first 4 months, and I'm talking about minimum... though, at the same time, when it's not fun anymore, that's when it's time to hang up the old IM hat....
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    • Profile picture of the author swords
      Originally Posted by jointaldc View Post

      You haven't been doing it that long... granted $400 is not play money, but you still need more time. I saw minimum profit for the first 4 months, and I'm talking about minimum... though, at the same time, when it's not fun anymore, that's when it's time to hang up the old IM hat....
      Here's my opinion. I'm sure I'll get a lot of criticism on it, but I like to hear it.

      Is IM fun for anyone? Do you look forward to typing 500 word articles, typing in keywords all day trying to find the right one?

      I think what makes IM fun is the thrill of making money, and a lot of it. I'm not money-hungry by any means. I do see IM as being 'fun'! But the reason I see it as being fun is the income, not the actual work process.

      Example:

      I log on to my computer one day and see $100.00 in sales overnight. That's exhilarating (although I have yet to have such a day)! It's like winning the lottery, but winning every single day!

      Give your opinion on my statement. I'm sure many people will say, "If you aren't having fun doing it, then don't do it. IM should be fun, and if it's not, you will fail". I expect these kinds of answers, but if you truly dig deep, I bet 90% of IMers will agree with me in one aspect or another.

      I don't compare it to adults who have jobs that they really hate, but get a good paycheck. You have to deal with bosses, co-workers, actual manual labor in most cases... If you don't enjoy these kinds of jobs in real life, then don't do them. IM is almost the exact opposite. You don't have a boss, you don't have co-workers (although you may, but you pick them!), and all you have to do is sit on your *arse* all day on your computer (in most cases, except for offline marketing).
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      • Profile picture of the author mwbyrd
        Swords,

        I took a look at your websites. I have a question, would you purchase your product from your website?

        You are trying to sell a video game using Amazon Assoiciates as your main source of income. You only have one option to purchase the game and the savings is a whopping $.50 What about shipping, can someone get cheaper shipping at one of the other vendors?

        At minimum, give the visitor a couple options to buy the game. You don't care where they buy from as long as you get credit for it. Find some additional affiliates selling the game and put links to them on your website.

        Your writing in the forum is 10x better than the text on your websites. Take a litte more time with the content on your website. And keep in mind the one thing that gets constantly talked about re: websites is quality content and a lot of it.

        Just getting traffic is only part of the deal. You have to offer the customer a reason to want to buy from you and trust what you are offering the customer.

        Hope this helps,

        Mike
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        • Profile picture of the author swords
          Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

          looks like you were making $ before you got here ? interesting to say openly, and guess some one is ducking low ?
          I think I cashed out a whopping $4 at Fiverr. I had $16 racked, but Fiverr banned me for just MENTIONING in a convo with someone my personal PayPal email. Needless to say, I no longer use them after they scammed me that. To add to it, I had to pay about $12 out of that $16 because I would buy advertisements on PTC sites, and then offer Fiverr users a rate which was slightly more expensive than the PTC, thus profit. So to answer your question, I technically didn't make any money beforehand, I had lost around $8 :/.

          Originally Posted by mwbyrd View Post

          Swords,

          I took a look at your websites. I have a question, would you purchase your product from your website?

          You are trying to sell a video game using Amazon Assoiciates as your main source of income. You only have one option to purchase the game and the savings is a whopping $.50 What about shipping, can someone get cheaper shipping at one of the other vendors?

          At minimum, give the visitor a couple options to buy the game. You don't care where they buy from as long as you get credit for it. Find some additional affiliates selling the game and put links to them on your website.

          Your writing in the forum is 10x better than the text on your websites. Take a litte more time with the content on your website. And keep in mind the one thing that gets constantly talked about re: websites is quality content and a lot of it.

          Just getting traffic is only part of the deal. You have to offer the customer a reason to want to buy from you and trust what you are offering the customer.

          Hope this helps,

          Mike
          I realize this. Like I said, I am only 17 and all affiliate programs require you to be 18+ (accept ClickBank!). So, I have to bring up the question to my mom/dad, "Hey can I have your Social Security Number for an online account?".

          Let me also note that many parents in the age range 40+ have no computer knowledge what-so-ever. Until 2 years ago, my dad didn't know how to open the internet browser, he did manage to turn on the computer though!

          So for them to trust any website online with their SS # is a hard bargain. I actually have yet to ask them this question, but I will once my Google Adsense gets up to $100. That $100 being from the site before IM that makes me $0.50/day :/.
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          • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
            Originally Posted by swords View Post

            I think I cashed out a whopping $4 at Fiverr. I had $16 racked, but Fiverr banned me for just MENTIONING in a convo with someone my personal PayPal email. Needless to say, I no longer use them after they scammed me that. To add to it, I had to pay about $12 out of that $16 because I would buy advertisements on PTC sites, and then offer Fiverr users a rate which was slightly more expensive than the PTC, thus profit. So to answer your question, I technically didn't make any money beforehand, I had lost around $8 :/..
            I think you missed the point buddy and it's more how many accounts have you had here and if we follow the trail of your posts back, what do we see in the pages of history ?

            I had been paid $5 on Fiverr to post on someone's account here on the Warrior Forum
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by swords View Post

    I had been paid $5 on Fiverr to post on someone's account here on the Warrior Forum (spam ftw?),
    looks like you were making $ before you got here ? interesting to say openly, and guess some one is ducking low ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Not So New
    Hey Swords,

    I noticed that you only have 18 posts and I find a lot of people like to deal with someone that has been around for awhile. Maybe over the next few weeks, you can get active with some discussions and build up your reputation.

    Also maybe there are some technical skills that you can offer as well as I'm sure their are a lot of techno newbies on here.

    Just my 2 cents ... but don't give up unless you really hate what you are doing : )

    Sid
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    • Profile picture of the author swords
      Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

      I think you missed the point buddy and it's more how many accounts have you had here and if we follow the trail of your posts back, what do we see in the pages of history ?
      I had one account previous to this account. It was created by the person whom paid me on Fiverr. The name was Whiplash54. I posted 50 times, and while making these posts, I got interested in IM (as stated in my first post in here).

      A few days ago I decided to purchase the War Room, seeing that it could be very beneficial. So I didn't want my account in the hands of someone else, especially $37 worth! So I created my own personal account, and that is where I am. I don't see why it is so tough for you to accept this, instead you persist on accusing me some kind of a liar or cheater :/.

      Originally Posted by Not So New View Post

      Hey Swords,

      I noticed that you only have 18 posts and I find a lot of people like to deal with someone that has been around for awhile. Maybe over the next few weeks, you can get active with some discussions and build up your reputation.

      Also maybe there are some technical skills that you can offer as well as I'm sure their are a lot of techno newbies on here.

      Just my 2 cents ... but don't give up unless you really hate what you are doing : )

      Sid
      Yeah, my backlink program has turned out to be doing alright. Got 3 people who paid, but after checking into my backlink list, some of my sites had stopped working. So I'm building a much more powerful list currently. This list already has a PR9 and 2 PR5 .edu links!
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      • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
        Originally Posted by swords View Post

        I don't see why it is so tough for you to accept this, instead you persist on accusing me some kind of a liar or cheater :/.
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        slow down son, no good getting exited, not sure where i said that, i am only going from you have told us here that is all, and not judging you in any way.
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      • Profile picture of the author vok
        Successful people don't have any self doubt or self pity so if you do want to be sucessful in business than I suggest you work on your mind set and not what exactily you are doing because forget what you think is the reason you failing. It's because of your mind set, there's an old saying that goes around and it's that people fail, systems work.
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  • Profile picture of the author alonbiz421
    Hi swords,

    It seems like you are being honest about your story and you really want to create a solid income online.

    I can really relate to your story because I started internet marketing when I was 17 as well (I'm now 22). I remember that I had to create a Clickbank account in my Mother's name since I wasn't 18 yet. It took me about a month to make my first paycheck, but that $33.27 paycheck change my life forever.

    After seeing that it was possible to make money online, I tried EVERYTHING to create a large and consistent income online. It took me about two years to create a solid income online so I could finally quit my 9-5 job. In those two years I had many challenges, but I decided I wouldn't stop until I had what I wanted.

    The thing that helped me immensely was getting a success mentor. He pointed out to me that the money making opportunities were not the problem, I was the problem. After that discussion with my mentor, I started driving deep into personal development and mastering my craft.

    Fast forward to now and I can say that I'm at the point where I make at least $3500/week online. My advice to you is to continue moving forward. If you never quit and you always move forward, it's only a matter of time before you reach your destination.

    Make a commitment to yourself that you are going to see this journey through to it's completion because you will not settle for anything less than what you want.

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    I have looked at your websites and I want to be straight with you Swords.

    Your websites offer very little value to website visitors.

    When I'm creating websites/offers, I always make sure that my website has enough value to go viral.

    Do you believe someone would tell their friends and family about your website? If not, you're probably not offering enough value.

    I don't mean to be harsh; I give you this whoopin' out of love

    If you want to make money online you need to do the following.

    Give more value than you are asking for.


    Oh, and let me say this as well.

    I love doing IM. For the things I don't enjoy doing like writing articles and building links; I outsource to other people.

    You do need to find something you enjoy doing Swords.

    I was heavily into SEO until I realized that I hated it.

    Now I'm into video marketing/consulting and I'm loving every minute of it.

    Find something you love Swords.

    PS: I also want to say lighten up a bit. When you are making $10,000+/mo, you will greatly appreciate the challenges you're going through now.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Swords,

    Do you really want to do what you're doing? That's the question only you can answer.

    If you say yes, never quit. These are the times when you're introduced to your higher self, the part of you that ignores these feelings and moves forward.

    If you've chosen the wrong field it might be time to look in another direction but your drive and commitment to self-improvement indicates you might be on the right track, at least from my view.

    Double up on self-improvement time. Start meditating daily. Shut off the computer for a few hours a day, shut everybody out and map out your goals. See them. Feel them. Be them. You won't have a problem development persistence if you make this practice a habit.

    All the best!

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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    Swords,

    Sometimes bad things happen.. It's true that you should do only what you truly enjoy doing.. Ask yourself what it is that you want? what are you good at? and if you could choose any job in the world what would it be? Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author sarafina
    People often quit right before they're on the brink of success.

    The tunnel looks dark but the light on the other site is worth it. Keep your head up and NEVER QUIT NO MATTER WHAT. You'll find a way to succeed. Good luck.

    I have subscribed to your backlink thread. Will order tmrw. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author swords
      Originally Posted by sarafina View Post

      People often quit right before they're on the brink of success.

      The tunnel looks dark but the light on the other site is worth it. Keep your head up and NEVER QUIT NO MATTER WHAT. You'll find a way to succeed. Good luck.

      I have subscribed to your backlink thread. Will order tmrw. Thanks.
      Yeah, wait until at least tomorrow until I am no longer 'Under Construction'. I will bump my post up when I am ready. I had a list of 135 backlinks that I used a week ago, but some of them went dead... a lot went dead. So I decided to take the high PR ones and just rebuild a new list with fresh backlinks.

      This has proven to hurt and help me.

      Hurt: I don't think I will have quite 135, like previously stated.

      Help: I found a freakin PR9 DoFollow. PR9 is the highest to go unless your domain is Google (I have yet to see a PR10 other than Google themselves). This PR9 itself will undoubtfully produce 'link juice' equivalent to the missing backlinks of the original 135. I hope you are still interested with that being said .



      To Everyone else:

      Yes I've been reading, and I don't want to make a wall of quotes.

      I'm not so sure that building blogs to produce affiliate commission, CPA leads, Adsense, etc... is the way that I seek. Currently my backlink program seems like it might become a big success. The only thing that I have problems with accepting is that I have to put work into, while there are people who have 100 auto-blogs making 50x as much as I will with my backlinks .

      I don't think I mentioned it in my first post or any replies, but I am really interested in domain flipping. I was truly introduced to it just 2 days ago when I read Gene's 10-Step action plan for domain flipping. His ideal and concept made 100% complete sense to me, and for anyone who knows what I'm talking about you will understand this. What business wouldn't want to get a domain that is ranked #1 in Google under a search term even getting only 100 local searches.

      Let's make a scenario:

      Say a business makes $5 profit per meal sold at their restaurant. If even a 'lame' amount such as 100 searches locally are done for a search term based off of their business (restaurant in this case), that's a potential $500 profits.

      I will base my offering price for each domain depending on how many local searches are made that see my #1 domain. If there's 10,000 local searches, I could easily convince a restaurant a cool $1,000-$2,000, beings they have a potential $50,000 in profits.


      If anyone sees anything at fault here, let me know. This might be my key to stick with it. I'm currently doing my first test, and it's on the first page of Google for a few search terms for about 500 local searches total. I'm going to try and get bigger search terms (10,000-20,000) before I contact the businesses. If I cannot succeed in getting on the first page for those bigger terms, I'll just sell them it as is (with 500) and just move on to my next domain!
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  • Profile picture of the author pathmakerserves
    When I've tried everything and did achieve what I want then I accept it. It's not actually failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author magnates
    How about you keep going even if it has not happened yet ... there are always reasons to push on or to give up if you look hard enough .

    if you keep going and refuse to quit .

    you will succceed
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  • Profile picture of the author WillQuick
    Swords,

    This may sound really simple but... That site you've got, the one that makes you 30 cents a day...

    THAT'S what you should be focusing on. Build on it, work on it. That first 30c is all that matters, now it's just a matter of scaling it up. A lot of people new to IMing think "oh wow, this sounds great, I've been earning a tiny bit of money from a site I made years ago so now I'm going to make a new one and earn more!", which is crazy.

    Start putting everything you know into making this site earn more. Do it not to earn a million dollars straight away, but set yourself goals:

    In one month I want to be earning $1 a day
    2 months: $2 a day
    3 months: $4 a day
    4 months: $8 a day
    5 months: $16 a day

    and so on. If nothing else, this site of your's will be a good one to learn on. Install Google Webmaster Tools and learn about A/B testing your pages to increase conversion rates, install Analytics and learn about how to position yourself in the SERPS.

    You might find this hard to believe, but if I set up a site that and it starts earning me 30 cents a day then I would put a LOT of effort into it because it's proven that people are willing to either click ads, or buy. This is how I started out. Now I build sites until they earn an average of about $5 a day, set it up so that I've created a lot of SEO'd content that'll keep updating itself for a couple of months, and move on to the next project. Then I come back to it after the two months and see what more I can do.

    If you're making this amount with, presumably, zero SEO work, zero thought to conversion rate optimisation and no thought to copy writing then think about how quickly you could earn more with putting what you now know into action! (I say these things because you said you set this up before you knew about IMing, so I'm guessing you didn't set it up in the same way you'd set it up now).

    Don't work to get rich, work to get damn good. Think about school / college / university:

    You sit in a lecture hall and make notes on everything your professor is saying. When you leave the hall are you now endowed with a whole new skillset? No. You have to do practice papers and example questions until it really sinks in and you "get it".
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  • Profile picture of the author ColdFire123
    You must set into your mind that you will be successful and must not have any self doubt or self pity so if you want to achieve success.
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  • Profile picture of the author helenaldin
    I agree wholeheartedly.

    I love what I do. But not all the time. There are some days it would be EASIER to go get a job.

    But, in the grand scheme of things, there's nothing else I would rather be doing than creating my own destiny, my own wealth, and my own schedule.

    You aren't always going to enjoy every single thing you do in life. So long as the end justifies the means, then keep going.
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  • Profile picture of the author excuzemee
    failure shmailure...

    american woman, gjabiz and willquick are pointing to the right idea.

    in the past three years i ahve failed MASSIVELY at everything i have done... but the failure doesn't translate as 'bad news'.

    i set on a course to LEARN learning means failing and figuring out. so i have learned TONS, and because of that, i know i am on my way to where i want to be. i started a plan three years ago and i am closer to my goal, even though it always seems to be right around the corner.

    if i want to learn fast, it means i need to fail fast. the quicker i want to learn, the faster i have to fail.

    it is all good in my book, failure is part of what you are doing. the planning comes in terms of goals but more importantly, WHY ARE YOU DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING? this leads into your "WHY".

    i see failure as bad when there is no end game/goal. if you are doing what you are doing and you don't know why, then it gets frustrating.

    what do you hope to acheive?
    when do you hope to acheive it?
    why do you want to acheive it?

    this will not only keep you in the game, it will win you the game.

    i had to fail selling to ten people to successfully sell to one. the sooner i got through the ten, the quicker i got to the one.

    i have built seven businesses in the past three years. only three made money, and only one of those made me profit - a lot of profit. this looks like to most people around me, that i should quit and go get my job back. i'd rather shoot myself.

    you spent $400.00 you have spent countless hours. you are only 17. you make better money mowing lawns... these are excuses.

    i have spent over $400,000.00 and the last three and a half years-full-time-of my life, my wife's life, my children's lives... and i will not quit. EVER.

    the fact that i was able to get one to REALLY work keeps me going, and makes it fun. and you have to keep working until you get it to work. you feel like you said... you feel like you won the lottery.

    it's nice to wake up to that in the morning.

    you will do well with whatever you choose.

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  • Profile picture of the author longnshortofit
    One of my favorite quotes that I do not know the source of:

    "The harder you work the luckier you get"

    It has always worked for me.

    Sorry the offer I orchestrated for you didn't work out.
    You may have thought it modest, but it was real...and gone now
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  • Profile picture of the author andy rodick
    Don't give up if want to win. But use "intelligent" gut persistence to guide you along the path.
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  • Profile picture of the author Warpanda
    After reading every words here... It sure does lift the heart of a newbee like myself !
    I'm an IT expert / Webdesigner for over 10 years and never thought of diving into IM until now.

    But the time invested in both of the skills above sure help me learn faster.
    Learning is a process and you need to spend hours in the doing to become you an expert.
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    The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.

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