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Hey folks,

I wonder if the belief into life after death some how helps to motivate us in life? As then you do all your action for a higher purpose.

What about you, do you belief into life after death and if so, how does it motivate you in life?

If not, what is the reason... does it kind of stoppage your motivational power?

Anna Emilie.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    I believe in life after death, from a Biblical standpoint.

    Thanks,

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Cho
      Sometimes I ask myself... what's the point of having all the money if I'm going to die one day.

      That motivates me to live my life to the fullest. I really enjoy being with my family and friends...

      Btw, I live by the rule "GOD LOVES MONEY"

      God first, love second, and money third.
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      • Profile picture of the author SonnyKing
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        Originally Posted by choson View Post

        Sometimes I ask myself... what's the point of having all the money if I'm going to die one day.

        That motivates me to live my life to the fullest. I really enjoy being with my family and friends...

        Btw, I live by the rule "GOD LOVES MONEY"

        God first, love second, and money third.
        Thats a great rule to have...
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    I dont believe in life after death but believe that one must face the result of his/her own task in his/her lifetime.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
    Originally Posted by AnnaEmilie View Post

    What about you, do you belief into life after death and if so, how does it motivate you in life?

    If not, what is the reason... does it kind of stoppage your motivational power?
    Anna Emilie, I do not believe in life after death. I cannot remember any kind of 'life' before I was born, so I don't think that there will be any more 'life' after I die.

    For me, the notion that my time is limited is a tremendous motivator to live every day to the full and try to be an extraordinary person. Perhaps Oprah Winfrey says it best in just a few words: "Live your best life".
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      I don't think a person has to believe in life after death to operate from a higher purpose. For example I think helping people less fortunate than myself is a higher purpose. And that's not really anything to do with God. I think it's mostly up to me to be motivated and so forth. However some "spiritual" experiences completely changed my persective (and even me to an extent) on Internet Marketing. I used to be mostly about money. As in "How can I make the most money?" I wasn't really interested in helping anyone. And now I have a different perspective. Now I think "How can I help people while doing something I'm passionate about and make a lot of money?" And that's when a lot of concepts I'd heard including being passionate, offering value, and more clicked in my head. Somtimes I doubt whether there's something after we die. And I think that's not so bad, you know. And sometimes it motivates me to make to most of the time I have.
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    If you want to read my story about it I can PM you my web site, which I have removed from my sign because it is confronting to many in the forum.

    The problem with remembering what happened before is that the noise of the world and the brainwashing we receive as children removes it. Many young people are born with 'gifts' that I believe they brought from a previous life or lives.

    How can a three year old play a violin perfectly without music or why is a 4 year old a master painter if it were not the case? Think about these things and answer them in the religious perspective if you can.

    God bless

    Norma
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Very interesting point Norma. I actually do remember something which happened before I was born. However I'm not sure if it's a good thing. It involves a couple of "people" and a riddle. (Or something like that.) That's all I can remember.
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      • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
        Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

        Very interesting point Norma. I actually do remember something which happened before I was born. However I'm not sure if it's a good thing. It involves a couple of "people" and a riddle. (Or something like that.) That's all I can remember.
        You should read my website on this. I will only PM you the site if you ask.

        Norma
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      • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
        Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

        Very interesting point Norma. I actually do remember something which happened before I was born. However I'm not sure if it's a good thing. It involves a couple of "people" and a riddle. (Or something like that.) That's all I can remember.
        People often contact me with things their very young children have told them. One in particular was of a little 3 year old girl who described to her parents her own murder in a previous life. She named the State in the US and the date and when they checked it turned out that a 17 year girl had been murdered on that date in that place. There was more to the story he told me but that is the gist of it. She had never been outside of their own locality and there is no way she could have known of this as her parents did not know of it.

        As for the existence of heaven and hell perhaps someone can tell me where they are. As they have no presence and one cannot touch, taste, feel or see them then they surely only exist in the imagination of those caught up in these great myths and things they want to believe are true.

        The other things about death is that the dead cannot feel pleasure or pain because they have no living nerves. You need nerves to feel but spiritual feelings are all engulfing and require no nerves but is a pleasant thing not something to be feared. Certainly not a means of punishment. It is the very essence of life.

        Matt I Pm'd you my sites

        God bless

        Norma
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark McClure
          I always liked this quote from the late Tony De Mello:

          "My experience is that it's precisely the ones who don't know what to do with this life who are all hot and bothered about what they are going to do with another life."
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      I would like to see your website. PM the link to me.

      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      If you want to read my story about it I can PM you my web site, which I have removed from my sign because it is confronting to many in the forum.

      The problem with remembering what happened before is that the noise of the world and the brainwashing we receive as children removes it. Many young people are born with 'gifts' that I believe they brought from a previous life or lives.

      How can a three year old play a violin perfectly without music or why is a 4 year old a master painter if it were not the case? Think about these things and answer them in the religious perspective if you can.

      God bless

      Norma
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
    I 100% believe that God exists and that each of our lives have a purpose. I also believe that believing in such does have a major role on how we live our lives.

    As for the 3 year old violinist and 4 year old painter... I think we are ALL created unique. A youngster that can learn at an early age doesn't convince me that there was a previous life, but instead confirms my view that our God is an awesome God and that He shows his love through peoples lives... both yound and old... in many different ways (including yours)

    I also think its important to remember the "Christ" in Christmas at this time of year
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    • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
      Originally Posted by mm365 View Post

      I 100% believe that God exists and that each of our lives have a purpose. I also believe that believing in such does have a major role on how we live our lives.

      As for the 3 year old violinist and 4 year old painter... I think we are ALL created unique. A youngster that can learn at an early age doesn't convince me that there was a previous life, but instead confirms my view that our God is an awesome God and that He shows his love through peoples lives... both yound and old... in many different ways (including yours)

      I also think its important to remember the "Christ" in Christmas at this time of year
      Daniel, I don't like to rain on your parade but these youngsters never learned from anyone. They just took to their instruments and away they went. They are often featured in the media.

      My sister was explaining to me about a recital ahe recenly witnessed by a world renown violinist who have been playing since he was 4 and no one ever taught him. Towards the end he brought on a young boy of around that age who also played remarkably well with no music and never having learned the instrument. I did learn the violin at 8 and believe me it is not something you can just pick up and do. In fact I didn't continue with it because it was just too difficult.

      There was a three year old recently on the local TV who is a piano maestro and his feet can't even reach the pedals. But he is up there with the best of them.

      God bless

      Norma
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Ambrose
        Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

        Daniel, I don't like to rain on your parade but these youngsters never learned from anyone. They just took to their instruments and away they went. They are often featured in the media.

        My sister was explaining to me about a recital ahe recenly witnessed by a world renown violinist who have been playing since he was 4 and no one ever taught him. Towards the end he brought on a young boy of around that age who also played remarkably well with no music and never having learned the instrument. I did learn the violin at 8 and believe me it is not something you can just pick up and do. In fact I didn't continue with it because it was just too difficult.

        There was a three year old recently on the local TV who is a piano maestro and his feet can't even reach the pedals. But he is up there with the best of them.

        God bless

        Norma
        Again, this just tells me that we have a wonderful creator.

        I completely respect your beliefs, but they strike some questions with me.. and these aren't attacking questions, but simply questions that a belief in re-incarnation presents:

        where/how did it all start? Does it ever end?

        What I mean is... if there was a previous life, what was before that life? and the life before that? Does it end when we die, or do we live here again?

        Who/what started the whole life cycle? does it ever end?

        The earth hasn't been around forever, so what happened with life as we know it before the earth was formed/created.

        The earth isn't going to be around forever te way we treat it, so what happens then?

        Who/what controls your re-incarnating life? When your dead, it's completely out of your control.

        What about those who don't have miraculous gifts/talents at a young age? are they "newbies" to the world? :confused:

        Personally I feel that all of us have gifts in our different ways. Some show these at a young age (whether taught or not) and others later in life. The brain is such a complex part of us and it has been proven we dont use it all.

        Others that have autistic tendencies have what I would say an amazing talent of being smarter than a calculator - is this because they had a previous life as a maths professor - no, not in my opinion. I feel some people are just born and use a part of the brain that allows them to do such unbelievable things.

        For me.. the brain is so amazing. it just had to be created.
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    There is no life Without death.

    Death is such a beautiful thing that never dies itself... It keeps coming to everyone... It's like a relaxing spot where you leave your body and move on to meet your GOD/Supreme consciousness...

    I mean come on, we all want to meet Pam Anderson, and she's just a silly actor and death is the point where you've got to meet the ultimate celebrity.. The Almighty... The most beautiful... The never beginning, never ending supreme soul... Your measly weasly life is gonna dissolve in the ocean of life that He is...

    So I only try to do what He wants me to do... help others and stay happy... I never consider myself as a winner... He is the one making me win.

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    • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
      Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

      I mean come on, we all want to meet Pam Anderson...
      Sorry Lakshay, I'd rather meet Shilpa Shetty myself...
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaEmilie
    In the book of Deepak Chopra I read a sentence which goes:

    Death is crucial for Life to exist...

    this is a nice point and it hits the point of evolution, religion and creation all together, without the need of excluding each other...

    P.S: dear Norma, can you please PM me your link. I would be more than happy to read your site. Thank you already in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
      Originally Posted by AnnaEmilie View Post

      In the book of Deepak Chopra I read a sentence which goes:

      Death is crucial for Life to exist...

      this is a nice point and it hits the point of evolution, religion and creation all together, without the need of excluding each other...

      P.S: dear Norma, can you please PM me your link. I would be more than happy to read your site. Thank you already in advance.
      The problem with most of these books/documents they run along the same line because the authors are copying from one another. It is the tradition which cannot be broken.

      The real experience of reincarnation and out of body experiences are all too often ignored or passed over by those who want to believe what they are brainwashed into accepting.

      That's why the noise of the world wipes out such memory.

      Norma
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Taylor
        Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post


        The real experience of reincarnation and out of body experiences are all too often ignored or passed over by those who want to believe what they are brainwashed into accepting.
        It strikes me as funny that you label any belief that is opposed to reincarnation as "brainwashing".

        I do not believe in reincarnation. Rather, I believe in the resurrection of the physical body on the last day of human history. This is a foundational belief in my understanding of God, Man, and the goal of history. And because of this bedrock layer of belief I hold, I will not even consider any opposing idea, including the idea of reincarnation. Will you now say that I have been brainwashed into this belief?

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        • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
          Originally Posted by Michael Taylor View Post

          It strikes me as funny that you label any belief that is opposed to reincarnation as "brainwashing".

          I do not believe in reincarnation. Rather, I believe in the resurrection of the physical body on the last day of human history. This is a foundational belief in my understanding of God, Man, and the goal of history. And because of this bedrock layer of belief I hold, I will not even consider any opposing idea, including the idea of reincarnation. Will you now say that I have been brainwashed into this belief?

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          No!, Only in the religious sense is is brainwashing. Many people cannot accept reincarnation and I respect their rights. Its usually only those who are spiritual who think about it because of their memories, experiences, and recall, to say nothing of visions and knowledge of future events.

          I respect your right to believe as you do but where did you get the idea from, as it is very religious. The Egyptians believed in the dead coming back to life and being rewarded or punished. This would happen through their Pharaoh who they respected as a god and able to reward or punish them.

          What happens to those who have been burned to ashes, either accidentally or in cremation, do they come physically back to life. Also over the years bodies decay and are moved, bones are mixed up and bits are often scattered all over the place. Just look at 9/11 as an example.

          Oh well, that's probably enough on this subject.

          God bless

          Norma
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Taylor
            Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post


            I respect your right to believe as you do but where did you get the idea from, as it is very religious.
            I don't deny the religious tone of the idea of the resurrection of the dead. Of course it's religious. It's completely counter to anything the Enlightenment has taught us about the nature of death. Imagine...the dead rising from their graves. Scandalous.

            And this is why I believe in the resurrection...

            Lord Jesus rose from the dead after his death on the cross.

            He also taught the general resurrection of humanity on the last day. The apostle Paul teaches about the general resurrection very clearly. And the apostle John teaches it in the Revelation. It's taught elsewhere in the Scriptures, as well...Daniel, Job, etc.

            Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post


            What happens to those who have been burned to ashes, either accidentally or in cremation, do they come physically back to life. Also over the years bodies decay and are moved, bones are mixed up and bits are often scattered all over the place.
            In the one case, where the body remains more or less intact, that very corpse is reconstituted and given new, whole life. This was the case with Jesus Christ, and it will be the case with everyone who has died and has left a cold, dead, rotting body entombed on the earth.

            And note that every single person will be raised, not just those who believed in Him. You too, Norma!

            In the other case, where there is no possible trace of physical remains, they also will be given resurrected, immortal bodies. These, since there is no cadaver left to animate, will simply be created. The people who have no earthly remains won't be left to wander around without a physical presence. Once again they'll be able to run, jump and laugh just like the rest of us.

            (The first instance is a matter of Scriptural teaching...the second is arrived at by necessary theological consequence. In other words, the second instance isn't taught directly by Scripture, but the teachings of the Bible have led those who think about these things to reach that conclusion. It's an old question, and one tackled by the Early Church Fathers and beyond.)

            So, what's the point? Why would God do this? Quite simply, He's promised it. His Son has conquered death, and in the end, He will apply that conquest to all of Mankind.

            Good things are coming...

            Merry Christmas!
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  • Profile picture of the author Canei Group
    Here's an interesting article I found for you on the subject...

    HowStuffWorks "Has Science Explained Life After Death?"
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    • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      Daniel, I don't like to rain on your parade but these youngsters never learned from anyone. They just took to their instruments and away they went. They are often featured in the media.
      sounds like some natural born geniuses. my friend is the same way and did abnormal things when he was younger. Not every genius is going to be a musician, they all have different talents. He has "other" abilities that have gotten us out of trouble many times... I think the correct word for him is Renaissance man.

      Originally Posted by mm365 View Post

      Again, this just tells me that we have a wonderful creator..
      we do... and No one really knows why things are this way, we all have different beliefs. and beliefs aren't really, real According to some religions im actually going to hell. according to me, they're they ones going to hell for judgin me jk


      Originally Posted by AnnaEmilie View Post

      Death is crucial for Life to exist...
      Thats right. No happniess with out sadness and no life with out death

      On a side note.. I think I had an OBE before.. The last thing i remember was the energy inside of me was trying to jump out of my body... felt really weird, i wish it happened again, lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
      Hi Anna,

      Originally Posted by AnnaEmilie View Post

      Hey folks,

      I wonder if the belief into life after death some how helps to motivate us in life? As then you do all your action for a higher purpose.

      What about you, do you belief into life after death and if so, how does it motivate you in life?

      If not, what is the reason... does it kind of stoppage your motivational power?

      Anna Emilie.
      As far as Life after Death being a motivational factor, I think motivation is an individual
      thing. One that doesn't believe in Life after Death can have just as much or even more
      motivation than those that do believe and vice-versa.

      Personally, I do believe in some form of life after death be it reincarnation or not.
      I also believe that the life after death experience depends upon your own individual
      belief system. If you believe that once you die, you rot in the earth and that is it;
      that's probably pretty close to what you will experience in your own mind/spirit.

      However, if you believe that there is an afterlife, you will probably experience some
      form of afterlife created by your own mind. You create your life experiences based
      on your own thought processes. (If you always think you will fail...you will fail, etc.)

      Just my opinion. But lets face it, most of us here know that you can change your life
      experiences based on your own thinking. Once you get into the mastermind mindset,
      you will notice major changes in your life.

      Originally Posted by John Henderson View Post

      Anna Emilie, I do not believe in life after death. I cannot remember any kind of 'life' before I was born, so I don't think that there will be any more 'life' after I die.

      For me, the notion that my time is limited is a tremendous motivator to live every day to the full and try to be an extraordinary person. Perhaps Oprah Winfrey says it best in just a few words: "Live your best life".
      John,

      Can you remember what you were doing 10 years ago today?
      I can't. But that doesn't mean we didn't exist 10 years ago now does it? LOL
      However, if time being limited is a tremendous motivator for you....
      More Power to YOU! Nothing wrong with that.

      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      If you want to read my story about it I can PM you my web site, which I have removed from my sign because it is confronting to many in the forum.

      The problem with remembering what happened before is that the noise of the world and the brainwashing we receive as children removes it. Many young people are born with 'gifts' that I believe they brought from a previous life or lives.

      How can a three year old play a violin perfectly without music or why is a 4 year old a master painter if it were not the case? Think about these things and answer them in the religious perspective if you can.

      God bless

      Norma
      Norma,

      I'd love to check out your site, so feel free to shoot me a PM too.

      Thanks in Advance!
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  • Profile picture of the author Phnx
    Have you read "Reunions" by Dr Raymond Moody, Norma? He gives bone fide methodology for proving the 'dead' are merely on another 'frequency', based on techniques used in ancient Greece (and modern occultism). He taught most of his students these techniques and had a very high success rate.

    Needless to say, many of his colleagues got a bit upset with him, but he got so engrossed with these methods that he has set up a centre somewhere in the US where people can go and have direct communications with their loved ones ala the Oracle at Delphi. (Mirrors play a major role, as does constant and focused happy thoughts of the deceased person)

    Hang on I'll go find a link.....

    Here it is (it's well worth reading)....

    Amazon.com: Reunions: Visionary Encounters With...Amazon.com: Reunions: Visionary Encounters With... (not aff link)
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    • Profile picture of the author Brillant B
      Life after death is an interesting thought. I don't know if I really believe in it. Within life, it is always nice to think that things happen for a reason. How does this fit into the totality of life?
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    • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
      Originally Posted by Phnx View Post

      Have you read "Reunions" by Dr Raymond Moody, Norma? He gives bone fide methodology for proving the 'dead' are merely on another 'frequency', based on techniques used in ancient Greece (and modern occultism). He taught most of his students these techniques and had a very high success rate.

      Needless to say, many of his colleagues got a bit upset with him, but he got so engrossed with these methods that he has set up a centre somewhere in the US where people can go and have direct communications with their loved ones ala the Oracle at Delphi. (Mirrors play a major role, as does constant and focused happy thoughts of the deceased person)

      Hang on I'll go find a link.....

      Here it is (it's well worth reading)....

      Amazon.com: Reunions: Visionary Encounters With Departed Loved Ones: Raymond Moody Jr., Paul Perry: Books (not aff link)
      No, I don't read anything by other people because what they know is learned from others. When someone has a Dr in front of their name they have been subjected to a force of conditioning through a university that ensures they stick to a certain rule. Its called follow the leader. Often the leaders they are aligned to were descendants or created images by tribal elders who thought about how things might work and taught their followers to believe in them.

      Such leaders were often kings or chiefs whose word could not be questioned and whose laws were passed down. This is how most religions started and of course the fanciful notions that go with dogma. At the heart of all it is violence too force people to believe and if they openly did not or don't, as in some contemporary religious practices, then they are exiled, maimed, tortured, ostracised or killed.

      These things are overlooked or forgotten by the brain washed who follow in their footsteps.

      My research demonstrates that people who adhere to a doctrine of any description have their eyes and ears closed to the facts. This is unfortunately the sad facts and the lies are fed by ignorance and a willingness to accept what is told or written as truth.

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      • Profile picture of the author Phnx
        Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

        No, I don't read anything by other people because what they know is learned from others. When someone has a Dr in front of their name they have been subjected to a force of conditioning through a university that ensures they stick to a certain rule. Its called follow the leader. Often the leaders they are aligned to were descendants or created images by tribal elders who thought about how things might work and taught their followers to believe in them.
        Actually, you are quite wrong. Moody practiced the methods himself, and experienced what he writes about. :rolleyes:
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      Originally Posted by Phnx View Post

      Have you read "Reunions" by Dr Raymond Moody, Norma? He gives bone fide methodology for proving the 'dead' are merely on another 'frequency', based on techniques used in ancient Greece (and modern occultism). He taught most of his students these techniques and had a very high success rate.

      Needless to say, many of his colleagues got a bit upset with him, but he got so engrossed with these methods that he has set up a centre somewhere in the US where people can go and have direct communications with their loved ones ala the Oracle at Delphi. (Mirrors play a major role, as does constant and focused happy thoughts of the deceased person)

      Hang on I'll go find a link.....

      Here it is (it's well worth reading)....

      Amazon.com: Reunions: Visionary Encounters With Departed Loved Ones: Raymond Moody Jr., Paul Perry: Books (not aff link)
      My father is friends with Raymond Moody. The place you talk about where you can have contact with a deceased person is actually in his house in Virgina. It is nothing more than a corner of a room with thick curtains around it. In the center of the enclosed protion a mirror hangs at a certain angle and you sit in a small chair infront of it. I've seen it, as well as the "bed" you lay on that can produce "out of body experiances". My dad tried it a couple times but did not have any success. He is a very nice guy, and you would not know by talking him in a normal conversation that he is that indepth with things such as this. Very strange vibes when you walk into the house. It could have been the whole "he's got a mirrior I can see dead people in" thing though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Phnx
        Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman View Post

        My father is friends with Raymond Moody. The place you talk about where you can have contact with a deceased person is actually in his house in Virgina. It is nothing more than a corner of a room with thick curtains around it. In the center of the enclosed protion a mirror hangs at a certain angle and you sit in a small chair infront of it. I've seen it, as well as the "bed" you lay on that can produce "out of body experiances". My dad tried it a couple times but did not have any success. He is a very nice guy, and you would not know by talking him in a normal conversation that he is that indepth with things such as this. Very strange vibes when you walk into the house. It could have been the whole "he's got a mirrior I can see dead people in" thing though.
        Your Dad just needs to persist, and he might get better results.

        You don't need a special bed to have OBEs, but I guess Moody was just arranging a congenial 'setting' to allow the experience to happen. There are loads of techniques, ancient and modern, to allow one to have such experiences. They, more than anything, demonstrate that there is more to 'life' than what we normally experience. One never quite views life from the same angle afterwards, much like those who have a Near Death Experience (same thing really, except OBEs are intentional and directed)

        If you are interested in OBEs and developing the ability to have them (not difficult, although experiencing them 'at will' is harder), you might want to check out Robert Bruce's forums. He's wrote a few critically acclaimed books on the subject and attempts to document in a 'scientific' way. Whether he's correct in his belief of what is occuring is another matter, but in the end it doesn't matter providing the experience occurs. He has some good workable techniques, and members discuss their successes and experiences at his forums.

        It's something anybody can learn, but it varies with individuals. Some take just a few weeks, others months, a few can take years. The key is persistence - and letting go of fear.

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        • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
          Originally Posted by Phnx View Post

          Your Dad just needs to persist, and he might get better results.

          You don't need a special bed to have OBEs, but I guess Moody was just arranging a congenial 'setting' to allow the experience to happen. There are loads of techniques, ancient and modern, to allow one to have such experiences. They, more than anything, demonstrate that there is more to 'life' than what we normally experience. One never quite views life from the same angle afterwards, much like those who have a Near Death Experience (same thing really, except OBEs are intentional and directed)

          If you are interested in OBEs and developing the ability to have them (not difficult, although experiencing them 'at will' is harder), you might want to check out Robert Bruce's forums. He's wrote a few critically acclaimed books on the subject and attempts to document in a 'scientific' way. Whether he's correct in his belief of what is occuring is another matter, but in the end it doesn't matter providing the experience occurs. He has some good workable techniques, and members discuss their successes and experiences at his forums.

          It's something anybody can learn, but it varies with individuals. Some take just a few weeks, others months, a few can take years. The key is persistence - and letting go of fear.

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          He believes in all of it he just doesn't have the time. But like I said he actually friends with him so he's at his house a couple times a year. Have you heard of Danion Brinkley? He's another interesting guy who used to be a colleague of Moodys.

          The bed I spoke of is no congenial 'setting'. It was actually built to do out of body experiances. There is music and vibrations that are built into the bed and come out through various openings on it. That is the only thing that bed is used for. It's actually in the same room as the "speak to your deceased relatives" set up.

          I don't know if he is still doing it now or not, but he used to charge a good bit of money to try out that OBE bed. And your are right there are lots of ways to "bring on" an OBE, as with anything else the more you practice and allow yourself the ability to let go and let it happen the more succesful it is. Moody has written a number of books on it as well as other things.
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            we have or have not done in this life, then this
            life is really meaningless and has no purpose.
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              Originally Posted by truckload-of-thoughts View Post

              If there is no life after death and we just go into
              nothing and become nothing regardless of what
              we have or have not done in this life, then this
              life is really meaningless and has no purpose.
              bingo... problem is most people don't want to accept this so that's why they invent all the types of things you see listed in this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan6
    When people get placed under deep hypnosis (past life regression), they often do remember such a past life! They usually manage to provide very specific referenced details as well.

    I am sure this life is not the only one! You can never be sure though, so make the most of this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Phnx
      Originally Posted by Ryan6 View Post

      When people get placed under deep hypnosis (past life regression), they often do remember such a past life! They usually manage to provide very specific referenced details as well.

      I am sure this life is not the only one! You can never be sure though, so make the most of this one.
      I think you'll like this documentary: a little Scottish boy claimed to have had a previous life, and a young American boy who insisted he was his own Grandfather. It's not everyday you are changing your kids nappy (diaper) and he looks at you and says "I used to do this for you y'know". Not something 2 year olds are known for.

      Neither family had any belief in "reincarnation". What's interesting is both boys talk about a 'portal'...the Scottish kid appears to have fallen through it and had no choice in the matter, the American kid seems to have chosen as he claims to have been given a pass or ticket by someone he interprets as 'God'.

      Here's Pt 1 on YouTube, but if you don't want to watch it in pieces (46 minutes) the full one is on Guba (can't embed it)


      http://www.guba.com/watch/2000869810
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      • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
        Originally Posted by Phnx View Post

        I think you'll like this documentary: a little Scottish boy claimed to have had a previous life, and a young American boy who insisted he was his own Grandfather. It's not everyday you are changing your kids nappy (diaper) and he looks at you and says "I used to do this for you y'know". Not something 2 year olds are known for.

        Neither family had any belief in "reincarnation". What's interesting is both boys talk about a 'portal'...the Scottish kid appears to have fallen through it and had no choice in the matter, the American kid seems to have chosen as he claims to have been given a pass or ticket by someone he interprets as 'God'.
        Thank you for this wonderful expose of what I have been talking about. Children remember until the world drives that memory out. Its religious mythology and social expectations that stop people from being told the truth. Its also the condemnation that those with memory receive from the fanatics.

        Reincarnation does not deny God only puts IT in the right perspective. God is Spirit, not a man, and those who are spiritual are connected. Its as simple as that. Likewise they don't need judgment because the spirit within directs you. There is a law for spiritual people that is hidden and known without learning. We know not to hurt others, we can't lie, and we normally are not chasing after worldly things because in the long run they have no value.

        There is a lot more to say on the subject but this is not the place.

        God bless

        Norma
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      • Profile picture of the author cainsproducts
        Originally Posted by Phnx View Post

        I think you'll like this documentary: a little Scottish boy claimed to have had a previous life, and a young American boy who insisted he was his own Grandfather. It's not everyday you are changing your kids nappy (diaper) and he looks at you and says "I used to do this for you y'know". Not something 2 year olds are known for.

        Neither family had any belief in "reincarnation". What's interesting is both boys talk about a 'portal'...the Scottish kid appears to have fallen through it and had no choice in the matter, the American kid seems to have chosen as he claims to have been given a pass or ticket by someone he interprets as 'God'.

        Here's Pt 1 on YouTube, but if you don't want to watch it in pieces (46 minutes) the full one is on Guba (can't embed it)

        YouTube - Extraordinary people - The boy who lived before Pt1

        http://www.guba.com/watch/2000869810
        Wow interesting video. I WANT to believe in life after death, but im a little sceptical (VERY in fact). Interesting topic though
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheCompanion
    I believe in live after dead.
    Just lost my best friend (43) and there are many strange signs that indicate that he's still around.

    Have a good christmas.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kamran
      I firmly believe in life after death, that God exists, and that God is taking care of our affairs.
      If there is no life after death, if there is no reward for a good deed, if there is no punishment for an evil deed, then life is not worth living.
      If you love doing something very much, and you get the chance to do it everyday, and you do it everyday, then after sometime you will get bored of it. I know many people don't realize this, but if you have everything that you want in life, money, happiness etc etc and you are enjoying your life to the fullest, then you will get bored of life as a whole. That's when you will ask and realize that there must be something better somewhere. Somewhere where you don't get bored, where the word "boredom" does not exist. And that is Paradise that God has promised us if we do good deeds.
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    I believe in hydrogen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
    Originally Posted by AnnaEmilie View Post

    Hey folks,

    I wonder if the belief into life after death some how helps to motivate us in life? As then you do all your action for a higher purpose.

    What about you, do you belief into life after death and if so, how does it motivate you in life?

    If not, what is the reason... does it kind of stoppage your motivational power?

    Anna Emilie.
    I don't believe in life after death.

    I do believe in leaving a LEGACY behind you that benefits the world after you're gone. That's one motivational force for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    Norma,

    I have a question.

    As for the existence of heaven and hell perhaps someone can tell me where they are. As they have no presence and one cannot touch, taste, feel or see them then they surely only exist in the imagination of those caught up in these great myths and things they want to believe are true.
    Based on this rationalization, how do you explain nuclear energy? Black holes? Sunlight? Darkness? While all of these, and a lot more, involve a (very) limited use of sensory perception, it is based on what we are told and yet they all mainly exist in scientific theory.

    Also, like Michael, my beliefs and faith are rooted in the belief of a living God, all based careful thought and consideration. I am far from being brainwashed, but the same could be said of some of the things that people are buying into these days.

    Thanks,

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
      Originally Posted by globalpro View Post

      Norma,

      I have a question.



      Based on this rationalization, how do you explain nuclear energy? Black holes? Sunlight? Darkness? While all of these, and a lot more, involve a (very) limited use of sensory perception, it is based on what we are told and yet they all mainly exist in scientific theory.

      Also, like Michael, my beliefs and faith are rooted in the belief of a living God, all based careful thought and consideration. I am far from being brainwashed, but the same could be said of some of the things that people are buying into these days.

      Thanks,

      John
      Nuclear energy, black holes, sunlight, darkness, etc, are able to be experienced. They are measurable, tangible and we know they exist because they can be seen. As part of my university research I examined the role of magic in religion. Back then I was not aware of the extent of it until I sat back and looked at the big picture. Being told that something exists is no proof that it does. Words cannot alter the state of something and yet that's what religious beliefs are all about. Someone says some words and bingo your are altered in some way.

      Descartes said "I think, therefore I am." The dead cannot think and therefore they are not. Spirit is life and God is Spirit and within those who are spiritual. The dead are not spiritual and they die - kapput. They need the dreams to hang onto and they believe the fanciful notion put to them. Its like the King with no clothes. But how long can you keep your eyes closed.

      Watch that video and then say that reincarnation is wrong.

      God bless

      Norma
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  • Profile picture of the author freedom25
    I am not religious, but I do feel that there is more than what we know. I really want to believe in life after death and my uncertainty does make me want to make the most of every day I have. I don't want to be constrained by work all the time, just in case there is nothing after death.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    Norma,

    Nuclear energy, black holes, sunlight, darkness, etc, are able to be experienced
    This really doesn't hold nay water though. What is the experience based on? A scientific theory that was put forth by a scholar and thus it must be true.

    It's like gravity. We can't touch, taste it, see it, etc. but it does exist. We only know the effects, but really have do way to measure it other than some system that was devised.

    Now, how do you explain the tales of people who have had 'near death' experiences? What do they mean? Are they real and can they be proven through sensory perception?

    If not, how do you explain people who claim to have had them?

    Thanks,

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
      Originally Posted by globalpro View Post

      Norma,



      This really doesn't hold nay water though. What is the experience based on? A scientific theory that was put forth by a scholar and thus it must be true.

      It's like gravity. We can't touch, taste it, see it, etc. but it does exist. We only know the effects, but really have do way to measure it other than some system that was devised.

      Now, how do you explain the tales of people who have had 'near death' experiences? What do they mean? Are they real and can they be proven through sensory perception?

      If not, how do you explain people who claim to have had them?

      Thanks,

      John
      Gravity is experienced in life, in the physical form, not after death and it is felt by everything and everyone who is grounded to the earth. It can be measured and space travel proves that it is related to forces controlled by the spinning of earth, so it can be seen because we witness the spin of the earth every day.

      Nuclear energy is also able to be experienced and measured. That it exists is undeniable because it too can be felt. When properly understood we know that it acts similar to gravity in that it control the way atomic particles act on each other. When one of those particles is forcible removed, say by mechanical means, the force is enormous and that is the principle behind atomic weapons.

      Sunlight is experienced daily and is responsible for promoting growth. Prior to scientific research into the rotation of the sun it was thought to sink into the earth, travel through it overnight, and emerge as a newly born sun at dawn. My independent research into the origin of religion and language displays exactly how ancestral hominids developed religion based on the sun. it emerged out of ignorance. fanaticism has a unique way of ignoring facts and continuing to believe the fanciful for the sake of religion while condemning anyone who dares oppose the old beliefs.

      Out of body experiences are too numerous and credible to be ignored. They are not fanciful tales but visions of reality. Passing them over as fanciful is just another case of ignoring facts for the sake of old beliefs that do not hold water.

      Now you prove to me how heaven and hell can be seen, felt, tasted, smelt, heard or tested in some way. Where are they to begin with? there is far more evidence for reincarnation than there is for their existence.

      Originally Posted by Michael Taylor

      I watched the video and remain unconvinced.
      Perhaps you should open your eyes and watch it again, Michael. There are millions of stories like this but they rarely get filmed.

      God bless

      Norma
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark McClure
        The late Ken Grimwood wrote a stunning novel called "Replay" on the meme "What if you could live your over again? And again? And again?"

        The main character did things like bet on the Kentucky Derby, buy winning mega stocks when they were still small caps to amass wealth. And went on to experience every incredible high and emotionally gutting low you could imagine.

        But what was the point of all? There's a twist in the tale that'll have you thinking and thinking just like folks do on threads like this when they arrive (as I do too) with specific beliefs and faiths about life's great mysteries.

        Interested?
        Here's a YouTube review by an aspiring writer and admirer of Ken's work.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Taylor
        Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post


        Perhaps you should open your eyes and watch it again, Michael.
        That's condescending.

        I do detect a bit of brainwashing here, after all. A common tactic is to belittle another person's viewpoint until they feel silly for holding to their cherished belief system. After the person is made to feel uncomfortable about what they believe, it becomes easier to inject the new belief.

        Is that what you're trying to do here?

        You've painted anything that's not reincarnation as brainwashing. Then, when someone refuses to acknowledge as proof a video of a confused child who is propped up by enabling adults (one of whom is a "professional") and a television show that makes its money on stimulating the imaginations of far out and fanciful dreamers, you say their eyes are closed.

        So who's brainwashing who?
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        • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
          Originally Posted by Michael Taylor View Post

          That's condescending.

          A common tactic is to belittle another person's viewpoint until they feel silly for holding to their cherished belief system. After the person is made to feel uncomfortable about what they believe, it becomes easier to inject the new belief.

          Is that what you're trying to do here?

          You've painted anything that's not reincarnation as brainwashing. Then, when someone refuses to acknowledge as proof a video of a confused child who is propped up by enabling adults (one of whom is a "professional") and a television show that makes its money on stimulating the imaginations of far out and fanciful dreamers, you say their eyes are closed.

          So who's brainwashing who?
          Michael, I do not put people down for their beliefs. You are entitles to believe what you want. But it appears you are the ones throwing gibes.

          The child in the video is far from confused. He was just able to talk when he spoke of his previous island home. No one in his family knew what he was on about. His mother (a single parent) was the one who was confused as she had never heard of Burra, a small island off Scotland. As the child grew he painted a more detailed picture of his previous home there. He knew it was on the beach, had rock pools on the water's edge and a gate leading to the beach.

          he also knew that the airplanes landed on the beach, an extraordinary thing to know as this happens rarely. There was no television show as this is a private documentary, probably done by the professor who went there to explore this little boys pre-existence. The fact that he has made a study of reincarnation and has many examples to offer credits him with knowing whether the boy was confused or not.

          The boy even knew his parent name, not even known by the locals until someone recalled they had a holiday home there. That's why I told you to open your eyes. the cottage they lived in was exactly as the boy described, which is hardly indicative of a confused child and as for the prompting by adults, which adults are you talking about?

          It might interest you to know that I have full memory of my reincarnation and of my last death. I was a man in my last life and died suddenly when around 45 years. Between lives I was in the spirit and saw visions of my next life before standing above my parents, on a well documented date, one month before I was born.

          With memory from day 1 in this life I arrived with a purpose and a different language to parents and siblings and carried an accent until well into my twenties. Until 8 years old I had trouble speaking English because it is a very difficult language to pick up.

          That other language prevented the noise of the world robbing me of the memories or of my connection to the Spirit. It drove me with passion to research the origin of the myths and lies that people believe and as shown to me in visions my life has followed the path to enable me to know the facts.

          It was not by accident I researched the origin of language and religion and was driven to do a university degree to prove the visions. The rest of the story is on my sites for anyone who would care to get the links to them.

          That's why I know the things I do about the brain washing because it would have happened to me too except for the Spirit's guidance and that other language. It also prevented me from blurting out too much until the ground under my feet was strong enough to withstand the criticisms and the answers are there to offset them.

          God bless

          Norma
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      • Profile picture of the author SteveSki
        Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post


        Now you prove to me how heaven and hell can be seen, felt, tasted, smelt, heard or tested in some way. Where are they to begin with? there is far more evidence for reincarnation than there is for their existence.

        Norma
        Hi Norma, A quote I once heard goes something like... "Religious people frighten while Spiritual people enlighten" or something like that.

        In regards to proving how heaven and hell can be seen, felt, smelt, heard or tasted in some way I can't prove it to you but you can experience it for yourself and have been doing so for years since these are all mental states that exist in you. Did Jesus not say that the Kingdom of God is Within you? Oh - sometimes they are also physical states - War is painful and a real hell both mentally and physically. Being in love feels great and so does making love.. like a bit of heaven.

        The thing is that nothing seems to last forever and everything that does exist is always in a state of flux forever changing but the hardest thing to change is someones mind.

        Cheers,
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    • It's not really the concept of life after death that inspires me - it the legacy of our dear departed ones. That if they could have lived a little longer, they would have wanted to do something better. And, that they would have wanted us, the living, to continue what they have left and what they should have done.

      I am writing this in memory of my grandfather. I love you, Lolo, and you are deeply missed.
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      • Profile picture of the author claycath
        I'm not sure I believe in reincarnation but I do have vague memories of before I was born. I also was a sickly young child and had a near death experience when I was 3. I remember the details of that as if it happened yesterday so I definitely believe in life after death.
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        • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
          I believe that what we think of as "us" (the mind, personality, our memories and personal histories) originates from the brain, and that once the brain cells die, the mind ceases to exist. I'll continue to believe this until and unless science proves that our current ideas about the relationship between mind and brain are incorrect and it somehow is possible for the personality to survive after the brain has been destroyed, or perhaps until I have some sort of personal experience such as a near death experience that leads me to change my beliefs.
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    • Profile picture of the author adodis
      For every individual there will be life after death depending upon the sins they commited in present life.This is acording to Indian mythology.
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliateKungfu
      There's a market for this aspect of humanity, ie. the psychic aspect, wherein many are keen to delve into the intricacies and mysteries of life itself.

      There are products/services in Clickbank which deal with such matters.

      Targetting this niche may be fruitful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
      Originally Posted by globalpro View Post

      Norma,



      This really doesn't hold nay water though. What is the experience based on? A scientific theory that was put forth by a scholar and thus it must be true.

      It's like gravity. We can't touch, taste it, see it, etc. but it does exist. We only know the effects, but really have do way to measure it other than some system that was devised.

      Now, how do you explain the tales of people who have had 'near death' experiences? What do they mean? Are they real and can they be proven through sensory perception?

      If not, how do you explain people who claim to have had them?

      Thanks,

      John
      Sorry! I ducked out for a cup of tea and forgot to come back to this exciting exchange of thought and mind power. memory of my last death was like an OBE.

      I stood above my body looking down on the scene and then was in darkness and at one with the Spirit. It was fantastic and I did not want to come back. But, those of you who have read my sites know it, I had a job to do and so next thing I was above my parents looking down on them in a most memorable scene. One month later I was born with a completely different language to them and was a gifted child.

      There were things I could do from a very young age that stunned everyone.

      The fact that I was a man in my last life and female in this one caused some confusion until I learned to accept the status quo and that the strength I used to have was no more.

      There is a lot more in my books and on my sites
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    • Profile picture of the author Dayton Keeran
      I would hope that there is life after death because the thought of NEVER seeing loved ones again is very hard to imagine. I believe there is some kind of force in the universe but to what extent i have no idea.

      I think the best advice is to live your life to the absolute fullest, enjoy as much as you can, treat people as you would want to be treat and let the afterlife take care of itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author tinywebdesigner
      I believe in life after death, it's proven in many cases!
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    • Profile picture of the author michaelbnielsen
      I am happily surprise of all the responses on this thread...

      Personal, I believe that my spirit has always existed. The we progressed before this life to a point where it were a necessity to gain a body.

      I believe we are here to be tested, tested as to our obedience and faith in God that we currently cannot remember. I believe that all people no matter background in their heart knows what it right and wrong. I believe that we will be deciding our own after life by the way we live. Not what we believe, but in the actions we take. How we tread ourselves, our loved ones and every person within of reach. I believe the predestination is none existing and you can work out you own destination.

      I believe that we will be remember everything after this life.

      So to answer your question. Yes my life is very much influenced by a believe in an much larger goal beyond this life.

      And I love life....

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    • Profile picture of the author Gemini9
      I've no doubt that there's life after death and that how we live in this life will impact us in the after life.

      But I'm also motivated by the sheer joy of being alive now, in this space and time. I want to live life in abundance and leave this earth somehow a better place.
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  • if there is "life" after "death" then you never really died. Death is the end of life!
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Nobody really "know" if there is life after death. Whatever we may
    say is based on our own belief system.

    I chose to believe what the BIBLE teaches about death. I believe in the
    historic Jesus who actually died and was resurrected. The following
    summarizes my beliefs:

    The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will grant eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an unconscious state for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous, will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 6:15, 16; Eccl. 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.)
    It doesn't matter how you construct it, if there is no life after death then
    this life has NO MEANING. It doesn't matter how much "good" you do.

    This life has meaning only because there is an afterlife and a judgment
    because the good often suffer the most in this life while the wicked
    live the 'good life'. (Life is NOT fair!)

    Neither do I believe there is any life before birth. This is just another
    twist of the first LIE told to Adam and Eve that they would not
    "surely die."

    "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"
    -Hebrews 9:27

    But, again this all depends on whether you believe in the Bible or not.

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    • Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      Neither do I believe there is any life before birth. This is just another twist of the first LIE told to Adam and Eve that they would not "surely die."
      I don't understand what you mean here. Can you please expand?
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        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post
        Neither do I believe there is any life before birth. This is just another twist of the first LIE told to Adam and Eve that they would not "surely die."
        I don't understand what you mean here. Can you please expand?
        Originally Posted by truckload-of-thoughts View Post

        I don't understand what you mean here. Can you please expand?
        Well, according to the Genesis 3 account, the "serpent" told Eve that if she
        eats of the fruit, she will become like God--immortal really. The belief in
        'another life before birth' is another way of saying that humans don't
        really die. We change from one form to another. This agrees with the
        original claim of the serpent.

        The idea that when a person dies a "soul" goes some where is also in
        agreement with this original lie. The Bible doesn't support that idea
        of a "soul" independent of the body.

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  • Profile picture of the author JWB
    I honestly, sincerely want to believe in life after death but I just dont see it...I mean WHY does there have to be life after death. I am an addict of all these ghost hunting shows and i would love to go to some of the places they go and " spend the night "
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  • Profile picture of the author nipit007
    We all have free will to believe or not believe what we want to. Right? As for myself:

    I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God.

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    • Profile picture of the author papeter
      Originally Posted by zim View Post

      Yes I believe that this life is temporary and there is life after death which is everlasting. My belief has a profound effect on all my actions since I believe that I will be judged on the basis of these deeds and end up in either heaven or hell. If anyone has a belief in life after death and the day of judgement, he will think a thousand times before commiting any atrocities/ sins that people commit everyday.
      Zim, please read 'Conversation with God' ....book one particularly. It's a profound read.
      You will change your mind about 'hell'

      There is no life as we know it after death, but something much more, much much more!

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  • Profile picture of the author webwriter
    Yes. I believe that there is life after death.

    We are really spirits inhabiting temporary physical bodies that enable us to complete our mission, ie, learning lessons on Earth's physical plane. After all, Earth is our school and playground. As such, we are here on Earth to learn lessons and move on or graduate to the afterlife when we have learned them. At that point, only we as individuals go through a life review and judge ourselves. Did we learn those lessons or not? Are there any more lessons that we need to learn? If so, then we may opt to return to the physical plane (Earth) to learn them and as a result, advance spiritually.

    Also, it doesn't matter what your religious background is, as every religion contributes to our understanding of ourselves and the world in which we live.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard A.Cox
      Originally Posted by webwriter View Post

      Yes. I believe that there is life after death.

      We are really spirits inhabiting temporary physical bodies that enable us to complete our mission, ie, learning lessons on Earth's physical plane. After all, Earth is our school and playground. As such, we are here on Earth to learn lessons and move on or graduate to the afterlife when we have learned them. At that point, only we as individuals go through a life review and judge ourselves. Did we learn those lessons or not? Are there any more lessons that we need to learn? If so, then we may opt to return to the physical plane (Earth) to learn them and as a result, advance spiritually.

      Also, it doesn't matter what your religious background is, as every religion contributes to our understanding of ourselves and the world in which we live.
      And you are basing this assumption on which evidence, exactly?



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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    As far as scientific evidence is concerned, the only remote credible evidence is for reincarnation. There appears to be a lot of cases in India where children claimed to have lived a past live and which is extremely difficult to explain by any other means.
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  • Profile picture of the author erwindegrave
    Yes there is life after death.. It motivates me not just to achieve greatest things in this life but to also be focused on fulfilling the plans God has for my life.. We can grab all things we wanted in this life and stay materialistic however if we disregard the purpose of our existence, everything we worked for will be useless :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
    This is a very personal subject for me. You see, about two years ago, I died. What I mean is, my heart stopped for 52 seconds during open heart, triple bypass surgery.

    Now, I didn't see a light, my deceased parents or anything. I woke up and was told what happened. To me the whole surgery just seemed like a long 8hour deep nap.

    That being said, I do believe in life after death.

    Why?....cuz it can't hurt believing in it can it?
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  • Profile picture of the author webwriter
    Of course there's no harm in believing that! You'll understand much of it over time. You, me and everyone else are here for a reason.
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    • Profile picture of the author webwriter
      I agree. God loves all of his children regardless. The concept of a god who would punish anyone for anything is really a false god that certain religions promote in order to control people. People punish themselves when they refuse to love themselves and God. God is love.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gale10
      Originally Posted by Cecille20 View Post

      I don't know. So lets just enjoy our life and be good in others. Well, I heard that Jehovah's Witness Religion don't believe in life after death. If you're going to be dead then you're totally gone without having a soul. :S

      Jehovahs Witnesses believe in the bible. The bible tells of a resurrection. Everyone who has died will be resurrected on the earth (that is what it was designed for, us humans) once wickedness is cleaned off the earth, and it is back to being the paradise it started off as. They will be in perfect physical health with no sin.

      Jehovahs Witnesses do not believe everyone goes to heaven, that is for a limited number of people. For instance, if Lazarus went to heaven, Jesus did him a great dis-service by bringing him back to earth.

      The purpose of people going to heaven is to be rulers. If they are rulers, then they need someone to rule over. Thus, a relatively few people will go to heaven, the rest will live on a paradise earth.

      So, Jehovahs Witnesses do believe in life after death, just not immediately after death.

      Best wishes,

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  • Profile picture of the author christiantt
    you have die first before you begin to live
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucas Adamski
    I believe that you will experience after death what you were expecting. But what is the truth, real truth? I don't think you can express it by words, thinking won't help with it but you may find the answer in the silence. I'm really into Eckart Tolle
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetBullDawg
    I believe in life after death. I don't know not really life but something much more.

    You see my father was in a terrible accident when I was about 9. His car went into the back of a tractor trailer.. big rig truck. Many people passed by his wrecked car as the firefighters were trying to get him out. Alot of them said he looked dead. My father told me later that he saw his grandfather, my grandfather (who had recently passed away) and other relatives. My grandfather told him to go back and he said it was a flash of light and he was back.

    So yeah there is something after death.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maryleena
    Yes I do... I belive that we live more than once, and that we grow form each life!
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  • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
    I think money can be a powerful tool in the right hands. It can release people from slavery, it can fund people that are passionate but don't have the resources... (the list goes on).

    Me personally, I believe in God and when you have a relationship with him he can direct you in the way you make and spend money. -- but that may just be me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I usually stay away from discussions like this, but nonetheless, here are a few points to ponder...but first let me say this: a closed mind cannot learn, grow, or evolve.

    Why is there anything?

    Forget about the origin of life, if there is no God, why isn't it just empty space everywhere?

    Why are there rocks, planets, stars and galaxies? They had to have an origin. Where did these things come from if they weren't created? Did they just appear out of nothing one day without a cause? Science tells us something can't come from nothing, so why is there anything?


    Cause and Effect

    Causality describes the relationship between causes and effects. It is fundamental to all natural science, especially physics. Simply put, the law of cause and effect states that every material effect must have a cause. In other words, nothing can't cause something to happen, something has to cause something to happen.

    The law of cause and effect is a well-established scientific principle, so let's ask ourselves an interesting question...

    If we could trace every effect back to it's cause, at some point we'd have to come to the first effect that ever occurred in the universe. The question to ask ourselves is, what caused that first effect? Remember, every effect must have at least one cause, so...

    Whatever caused that first effect would have to be eternal, or this first cause would itself have been an effect of another cause. So what is eternal that could have initiated the first cause? My imagination is so limited...all I can think of is God.


    Energy

    Science tells us energy cannot be destroyed, it only changes form. Well then, since we are energy, we can never be destroyed, we only change form. What form do we change into?


    Where do your beliefs come from?

    When we are born we have no beliefs. We have no language. Then the assault begins. We are taught what to think and what to believe. We are taught who we are and who we are not. We are taught our limitations. All this, before we can think for ourselves.

    In order to fit in, we buy in. We trust our family, we trust our teachers, we trust authority. But are they teaching us the truth? Where did their beliefs come from? From someone else, who learned their beliefs from someone else...however far back the chain goes?

    Who are we, really? Do you ever feel like something is missing?

    Did we become our authentic self, or did we become what we were shaped to become by external influences? As we learned to think, did we go back and examine what we were taught? Are our beliefs our own, or those of our tribe?

    People of religion, any religion, often cite their holy books as evidence for the validity of their beliefs. These books are thousands of years old. They were written, interpreted, translated, and shaped by MAN. They are full of contradictions, have they been changed over the centuries? Should we ignore the contradictions because they don't fit our beliefs? Is it wise to base our belief system on the beliefs and teachings of other people?

    Didn't God give us reason...for a reason? Shouldn't we then question the teachings of our tribe? Is our house of faith built on our own foundation of beliefs, or someone else's foundation?

    Ah, but there is comfort in like-minded company, isn't there? Even if everyone is mistaken. Do we really want the truth, or do we want the comfort and ignorance that accompanies intellectual laziness?

    Do we even need someone else to teach us about God? Why not trust God to teach us about God? Why not let God speak to our heart and mind. Oh yeah, it's much easier to believe what we're told to believe, and as a free bonus for being a follower, we can blame our beliefs on someone else if those beliefs are wrong.

    "It isn't my fault I couldn't find you, God," we can explain, "they lied to me!"

    Think God will buy that?

    Hmm...

    Well, I guess that's probably enough. Have fun playing with those thoughts, and remember, lead your own life!
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    • Profile picture of the author medway
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


      Energy

      Science tells us energy cannot be destroyed, it only changes form. Well then, since we are energy, we can never be destroyed, we only change form. What form do we change into?
      Simple, we decay and get absorbed as gas, liquid and nutrients for other living things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Why are there rocks, planets, stars and galaxies? They had to have an origin. Where did these things come from if they weren't created? Did they just appear out of nothing one day without a cause? Science tells us something can't come from nothing, so why is there anything?


      Cause and Effect

      Causality describes the relationship between causes and effects. It is fundamental to all natural science, especially physics. Simply put, the law of cause and effect states that every material effect must have a cause. In other words, nothing can't cause something to happen, something has to cause something to happen.

      The law of cause and effect is a well-established scientific principle, so let's ask ourselves an interesting question...

      If we could trace every effect back to it's cause, at some point we'd have to come to the first effect that ever occurred in the universe. The question to ask ourselves is, what caused that first effect? Remember, every effect must have at least one cause, so...

      Whatever caused that first effect would have to be eternal, or this first cause would itself have been an effect of another cause. So what is eternal that could have initiated the first cause? My imagination is so limited...all I can think of is God.
      But if "something can't come from nothing", then what did God come from? If you use scientific principles to support the existence of God, then you have to apply those principles to Him as well. And so if you say that the universe can't have existed without a cause, therefore God must have caused it...Then what caused God?

      Again, IF you're using science to support your case (as opposed to religion, which basically says, "Well He's God, so He can do whatever the heck he wants.), then you have to apply the laws of science to God as well. You can't have one set of rules for the rest of the universe, and a different set of rules for God. Which would mean that if "something can't come from nothing", then something would've had to exist before God, as well. And if that's the case, then what existed before that "something"? And before that? And before that?

      On the other hand, if you say that God just "always was", and therefore didn't need to be created, then why should that belief only apply to God and not the rest of the universe. In other words, if it's possible for God to have "always been", then it's possible for the universe to have always been as well, albeit in a different form.

      In fact, this is what some scientists do believe: That the universe was never actually "created", and that our current universe is just one in an infinite cycle of universal birth, death and rebirth, each cycle beginning with a big bang and ending with a big crunch. What existed before this cycle began? Well that's just it. There was no beginning. It's just always been. Sort of like God.

      Who knows? That could just be one of those crazy theories that ends up in the trash bin of science on day. In any case, if you accept that science implies that God existed eternally, then you have to accept the possibility that the universe did as well. If you're using science to prove God, then you can't have God play by a different set of rules than science.
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  • Profile picture of the author Swimmer
    I'm a Buddhist and I believe in Karma and that makes me feel like my good deeds will be rewarded and leaves me motivated independently of whether I receive a reward for my good deeds immediately or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author ScottCofer
    Yes, I do believe in 'life after death' - I am a practicing Christian.

    This belief motivates me from the standpoint that I want to be as much of a contributor to the common good as I can be during my time here. I get up each morning thinking of ways to grow my business through helping other people and creating value.

    If I live each day in a way that pleases God, the 'side effect' is that my life gets better and more joyous for me ... a true win/win.

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  • Profile picture of the author scattermouse
    Some powerful and inspiring thoughts here. Thanks to those guys and girls that tried to explain their beliefs to others, rather than attacking.

    Personally I am a Christian, and have faith in the existence of heaven and hell. I only hope that we might all make it to the former. Still, it's fascinating to hear about other people's beliefs.

    Norma, on a side note, gravity isn't caused by the spinning of the Earth. In fact, if there wasn't any gravity, the Earth's spin would send us flying out into space
    The particles that carry the force of gravity are too small to see, if they exist at all, even with science's best detectors.
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  • Profile picture of the author webwriter
    I definitely believe in life after death.

    Knowing that gives me a purpose in this life and motivates me to learn lessons and ultimately become a better person for it in this life and the next.

    After all, my physical body is not me, but a temporary home in the physical dimension. When that body dies, my spirit will not. This doesn't mean that I have learned all of my lessons, but that is ok, since I would be able to incarnate back into the physical dimension and have another chance to learn them.

    Another point is that believing in life after death is consoling. Loved ones who "pass away" are not gone. They are with us. We are in one room (dimension) and they are in another.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah09
    So, Jehovahs Witnesses do believe in life after death, just not immediately after death.
    Are you a Jehovah's Witnesses? My cousin try to invite me about this. And what she told me is that earth itself is the paradise. And the so called Armageddon is the punishment to all bad people. But what she also said that after you die you'll be gone.
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  • Profile picture of the author krazysarah
    Originally Posted by AnnaEmilie View Post

    Hey folks,

    I wonder if the belief into life after death some how helps to motivate us in life? As then you do all your action for a higher purpose.

    What about you, do you belief into life after death and if so, how does it motivate you in life?

    If not, what is the reason... does it kind of stoppage your motivational power?

    Anna Emilie.

    Life after death is scary if you have stayed together with your gf or bf but it is worth dieing if you guys have seperated lols
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I usually stay away from discussions like this, but nonetheless, here are a few points to ponder...but first let me say this: a closed mind cannot learn, grow, or evolve.
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


      Why is there anything?

      Forget about the origin of life, if there is no God, why isn't it just empty space everywhere?
      The question should be asked from a scientific perspective: Why shouldn't there be something rather than nothing?

      What law of science claims that the universe is not supposed to exist? Or for that matter, that nonexistence is the "natural" condition of the universe?

      There is no such law.

      In fact, on the contrary, the law of the conservation of mass-energy takes us to a different conclusion and that is... our universe has always existed. It's amazing (to me) how many still believe our universe formed ex nihilo (i.e., out of nothing).

      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Why are there rocks, planets, stars and galaxies? They had to have an origin. Where did these things come from if they weren't created? Did they just appear out of nothing one day without a cause? Science tells us something can't come from nothing, so why is there anything?
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Causality describes the relationship between causes and effects. It is fundamental to all natural science, especially physics. Simply put, the law of cause and effect states that every material effect must have a cause. In other words, nothing can't cause something to happen, something has to cause something to happen.

      The law of cause and effect is a well-established scientific principle, so let's ask ourselves an interesting question...
      Causality is NOT "a well-established scientific principle." It's not science at all. The so-called "First Cause" is a philosophical argument attributed to Thomas Aquinas (who was a Theologian and Philosopher). "First Cause" is a textbook example of ad hoc reasoning (i.e., inconsistent and prejudicially applied... example: everything has a cause... follow it to the beginning and you have God, but who created God? No one created God, he has always been there. If everything except God is governed by the "Law of Cause-Effect," then the argument becomes ad hoc) and thus logically impermissible.

      The only places where the "Law of Cause-Effect" is taught as "science" is in Creation Colleges.

      In regards to the forum topic: Not a single shred of evidence shows that anyone will have a conscious afterlife. The atoms that make us up will "live" forever (the law of the conservation of mass-energy).

      "We are made of star stuff." -- Carl Sagan.


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  • Profile picture of the author selma
    Interesting posts...

    I 100% believe in GOD. There is no doubt about that, what I have a hard time believing is religion and the books of religion. The reason is probably what I have seen in my life, I am born muslim and along with being born muslim came all of these rules. I have personally studied the books to get a perspective to get some enlightenment, I have spoken with shieks and with priests but I still can't wrap my mind around some thoughts, as a lot of religion is contradictory and I just can't swallow some things islam is teaching. Well, anyway, I married a christian and he is also like me, believes in GOD but not religion. Funny, my husband is from the holy land and I live there half the year and in America half the year and I SEE with my own eyes how people live religion. And it bothers me. But whatever, its not me so its ok.

    I believe that life on earth is temporary and I believe we all have a purpose. There are no mistakes to who is born and why. This is the will of GOD. I believe in ethics, morals, manners, being kind and having a good ettiquette. I believe in karma. Although I am still unsure if there is a form of living after we die, I would love to believe it, and I do more than I don't.

    Bless you all and everyone. I wish more people were ethical, I think the world would be a better place.

    I feel that those who follow a certain religion (islam, christianity, judism) sometimes have a bit of a superiority complex and believe that there way is the only way and the right way and I am going to hell. I dont know, maybe they are right. But this behavior turns me off. Stop trying to convert me peoples!! lol....
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  • Profile picture of the author netmarketer21
    I most definitely believe in life after death. God is a motivating factor in all that I do.

    Its true that you can't take your money with you when you are gone, but it is necessary to have while I am still here. I feel that if I am still breathing, then I have not finished fulfilling my purpose here on earth.

    Thank you for everyone who has shared their viewpoints and insights... I just hope this thread doesn't turn into everybody bashing each other.

    God Bless

    Jason
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  • Profile picture of the author NewBeing
    I've read an interesting book written by a guy called Anthony Peake called 'Is There Life After Death?'

    He backs his theory up with quantum physics, which I found a bit heavy going, but the book is well worth a read, its very thought provoking...

    He has another book called 'The Daemon' (nothing to do with demons) which is also an interesting read and crosses over with 'Is There Life After Death?'

    If you want to read them, both books are on wowio.com, read 'Is There Life After Death?' first...

    'Is There Life After Death?'
    WOWIO: Is there Life after Death? The Extraordinary Science of What Happens When We Die by Anthony Peake

    The Daemon
    WOWIO: The Daemon by Anthony Peake

    He also has a forum at...
    Cheating the Ferryman, Is there Life After Death, The Daemon. • Index page

    PS. I have no association with Anthony Peake, I just find his theories thought provoking!
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  • Profile picture of the author knighthood
    Yes, I believe. I have only told a few people the following account of my life, but since Christmas is almost upon us, I would like to share it here.

    When I was 23, I was robbed at gun point. Tied up and placed face down on the floor to be executed. My life did indeed "flashed" before my eyes. I thought of my mother, sisters, friends, all the people I truly love. I also prayed. As I lay on the floor trembling with fear, I whispered a few prayers to God. HE listened and responded. A deep sense of peace fell over me. A peace I had never before felt. It was a peace and calm that seemed to radiate from something near by, in the corner of the room. I then heard a voice, the voice said "Love your Brother". I have no brothers, but I knew in my heart what HE meant. HE meant my fellow man. As HE spoke to me, I could see the gun being raised and pointed to the back of my head, but I was no longer afraid. I was a wash in love and peace. I was ready to die, if it meant I could go with this great being of love. Once you get that close to God and his love, you realize that life, even with all of its blessings, does not compare to the life that awaits us on the other side.

    The robber then moved the gun away from my head and fled. I live on, knowing that there is another life awaiting me to bask in the love of God.
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    • Originally Posted by knighthood View Post

      Yes, I believe. I have only told a few people the following account of my life, but since Christmas is almost upon us, I would like to share it here.

      When I was 23, I was robbed at gun point. Tied up and placed face down on the floor to be executed. My life did indeed "flashed" before my eyes. I thought of my mother, sisters, friends, all the people I truly love. I also prayed. As I lay on the floor trembling with fear, I whispered a few prayers to God. HE listened and responded. A deep sense of peace fell over me. A peace I had never before felt. It was a peace and calm that seemed to radiate from something near by, in the corner of the room. I then heard a voice, the voice said "Love your Brother". I have no brothers, but I knew in my heart what HE meant. HE meant my fellow man. As HE spoke to me, I could see the gun being raised and pointed to the back of my head, but I was no longer afraid. I was a wash in love and peace. I was ready to die, if it meant I could go with this great being of love. Once you get that close to God and his love, you realize that life, even with all of its blessings, does not compare to the life that awaits us on the other side.

      The robber then moved the gun away from my head and fled. I live on, knowing that there is another life awaiting me to bask in the love of God.
      I experienced something like that. Its funny what people say that life flashes and stuff...before that I thought it is BS.

      After that some thoughts came up really deep and clear and for me those thoughts were just "I want to hug my loved ones" :p
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  • Profile picture of the author David Brown
    I believe in death after life!
    I am not religious. I believe in evolution, everything has it's own time span and that's it....move over for the next one.
    I have had some strange experiences as a child and teenager, but cannot really clarify what I exactly experienced. OBE's, dreams or halucinations? who knows!

    On the other hand I find certain "psychics" offer amazing information and details about and from people who have "passed on" . Derek Ogilvy for one is startling with his information. His TV program here in Holland is a big success and he continues to absolutely blow people away......it makes you think, you do not know what to think!!!
    I guess we will all find the answer one day.

    Dave
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    • Profile picture of the author lampodiiluce
      to talk about life after death is a ridicoulous thing! life is a specific perception on this level of existence.
      after death there is still existence but not life.
      you need to have an identity to feel the life and to talk about it....and after death you won't have it anymore or however in a way that you cannot understand while you need a brain to think.
      almost all people are sure to be what they think to be. they are sure to be their names and they are sure to be free untill they are therselves.
      this is not true.
      any identity is a limitation for freedom.

      only if you have no names you can change your shape and be whatever.
      only in that way you are no more a product but you can fell yourself as a process.you stop to be a simple prospective of the process and become the whole process itself.

      when you lose your identity you lose yourself but you can be free.

      ps: sorry if my english is not so good
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  • Profile picture of the author lampodiiluce
    and one more thing: they told you that the serpent was bad.
    they did this because religions were made to keep stability and the serpent rapresents the evolution( so the moment when they would have lost their control!). the ones that had written and defined what and which "the religions" had to be...perfectly knew about this.

    in this precise moment millions of people of the world are scared by their serpents and also refuse to see them.
    they do not know that the serpent is where we come from and where we are going to.they just think it is an evil monster to stay away from!!!!!

    the snake is an increased level of awareness.
    it is evolution.
    i love my snake although to wake up as human is not easy at all when you have so many people around that always try to avoid this and think you are strange and maybe dangerous simply because they have learned to be scared.
    it is a continuous war with yourself and with the others too.
    but to grow up is not easy at all and many are actually here to make just this.

    anyway i love my snake and i think that everybody should do the same.
    life or death would appear irrelevant if they tried this too.
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    • Profile picture of the author vneely
      My philosophy on the whole question of life after death can pretty much be summed up in a Randy Newman song:

      We may only go 'round this one time
      As far as I can tell
      (He could be wrong about that)
      It's the time of your life, so live it well
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  • Profile picture of the author amaechi007
    If this life is all that we have, then it makes no sense. There must be a life after this one to help us make sense of things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Philok
    Yes i do believe in life after death, i thing god gives us a second chance.

    Thanks,

    Philok
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  • Profile picture of the author richjerk321
    There's no such thing as life, and there's no such thing as death.

    It's all perception in a world that's literally an illusion. Science is becoming more up to date with how this reality operates.
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    • Profile picture of the author zesquian
      I believe that if this life is possible (which it's because we're here) than anything is possible.
      So I wouldn't find it too surprising if there's life after death. Anything goes as far as I am concerned. I am keeping my fingers crossed and hope that there's life after death.

      Things like ghosts, haunted houses, NDEs etc actually give me hope.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I believe in cycles. After the end comes a new beginning. On and on into infinity. It's very obvious in all of nature and we're simply a subset of a subset of a subset...

    I once read that the souls of the recently departed temporarily inhabit the bodies of butterflies so they can look in on friends and family as they continue their cycling.

    Interesting thought. And since it doesn't cost anything to believe, well... I appreciate butterfiles more...
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  • Profile picture of the author MsDebra
    Yes, there is life after death. But you must choose now where you will spend eternity.
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  • Profile picture of the author rainspeak
    Yes. Refine your question to be more specific. For example: Do you believe in reincarnation? What is the soul? How does the soul transform? When does it select or choose a human form? Do we come back in different gender and race roles? Is the soul an energy form? Does the soul care if one live or dies or only that it evolves? Just adding food for thought. Interesting topic.
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  • Profile picture of the author f4ll3rs
    I do believe in this. Why would God create you only to die and then sleep forever under the ground? I just try my hardest to gain the best place in life after death.
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  • Profile picture of the author Damz
    Your next soul entirely depends on what you do in your life...If u live the life being good and helping others surely you can be in heaven...
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    I do believe in God,
    and I believe in life after Death
    I'll try to post a teaching of mine here some time when I get the chance.
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  • Profile picture of the author caspara
    Every atom in our bodies is reused over and over again. We are reincarnated after death into a million different things, each a part of another significant thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerfectedWeb
    I do not think there exists some sort of reincarnation or life after death. When we reach "the end", it's definitive and irreversible.

    That may sound a bit cynical or sad but that reminds me that every second is important.
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  • I believe that there is life after death, God's purpose for humankind is for us to live a happy lives in a paradise earth. We are not created to live a short life but to live forever without death or problems. But why are we living now in this kind of environment? Why do we grow old and die? It is because of an issue way back in the garden of eden and all humankind is facing this issue whether we like it or not. More info? Consult His inspired word.
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  • Profile picture of the author grafx77
    I believe in life after death. And I mean life after death in the dogmatic christian sense.
    What is life really? I mean life here on planet earth. Human life.

    I think life is nothing but nutrition and procreation. Basically.

    The rest is motivation for something. And this motivation is either for further nutrition, procreation or for some hope.

    Yet I believe that life has a purpose. Forget all the scientific gas because none has a real definition for why we are here. We are here because we are in transition. Period. And to get to the destination, we must eat and breed.

    What we do after this is simply a matter of belief. But I believe in the destination.

    As for the hear and now, to feed and breed, I need money. And that's where for me business comes in.
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  • Profile picture of the author SilentX
    Personally, I think that believing in life after death can cause motivation OR demotivation. Believing in a life after death can make you just wait out this life knowing that there's still something afterwards. Believing there is a second chance can make you not care about this life as much.

    I guess I don't really put too much hope into a life after death. There may or may not be but, to me, speculating doesn't get me anywhere. I prefer to just hedge my bets and put my all into this life so I don't miss out on any opportunities That's not to say that believing in a life after death is misguided. If it works for you, then more power to you, I say. The important thing is to take advantage of your life.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpwilliams
    yes... there's definitely life after death and it is very very real. And this comes from the biblical perspective. So, in a way it could affect your purpose in life so to speak
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  • Profile picture of the author mayapearl
    Hi Norma,
    an interesting book that made me think is "The holographic universe" by John Talbot. Not a book about reincarnation or even life after death, it is about the interconnectedness of everything in the universe
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    I do personaly believe in life after death due to some personal experiences, but this does not prove anything really, does it now? This may just be my own wishfull thinking. What I am trying to say is: is it really all that important? We are not separate from the rest of the Universe but we are an intrinsic part of it, when we die our bodies go back to whatever bits made it up in the first place, maybe our consciousness does the same, it goes back to the source.

    Our ideas of Heaven or Hell are mere inventions by various religions in order to control and manipulate people, this goes for most known religions, there seems to always be that carrot for the compliant ones and the stick for the bad ones!

    Just my two bits worth :-]
    Please Norma could you send me your link?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rane
    I think that consciousness has to go on somehow but I don't believe in a God or heaven the way most people or bible people do. I think of the whole world and everything beyond as formless thinking stuff expressing itself through us.

    (The Science of getting Rich) says that it is sinful not to seek riches so that we, and therefore the consciousness or whatever created us can express ourselves more fully and freely.

    I used to be so into life after death stuff and research and ghosts (after I saw one) but lately I've lost my faith. Lately I've been feeling like a finite animal; but it sure feels better to think there's more out there and that's why
    I think so many of us choose to believe there is. the great comfort it gives is why I want to- and then it won't matter if you're wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rane
    Oh and AnnaEmilie you are a beautiful girl!
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  • Profile picture of the author flocon
    In Islam, we are supposed to do things in the best of our ability. By doing so, if your main goal is to please God (Allah), then, you are working for your reward in the hereafter.

    So no, believing in the life after death should not be something that takes your motivation away. In the contrary, when you only focus on this life, you are going to be ultimately deceived, because everything will perish.
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  • Profile picture of the author FreddieJones
    Very simple Question...

    If there is no life after death, what is the purpose of teaching difference between good and evil? why prophets came and why there are different religions?

    Ofcourse there is life after death and we can't deny it.
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    • Profile picture of the author DamianK
      Originally Posted by FreddieJones View Post

      Very simple Question...

      If there is no life after death, what is the purpose of teaching difference between good and evil? why prophets came and why there are different religions?

      Ofcourse there is life after death and we can't deny it.
      It's called fear. Fear controlled the masses, generated power and money for those that wanted it, and was an easy answer for things primitive man couldn't explain.

      Literally, it's like a parent telling a child if you're not good Santa Claus won't bring you presents.
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  • Profile picture of the author AbbyJustin
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    I believe life after death and it is true I think
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  • Profile picture of the author pennywrites
    All of these comments are very interesting. "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he." If you are afraid of death that could be a motivation to enjoy each day to the fullest. Or, if you believe in an amazing 'peaceful' afterlife you may be looking forward to death at times when life get really tough going. If you believe you only have one shot at life and then you are worm food then you may be paralyzed with fear of meeting such a death and miss out on some of life's adventures. It is all pretty much personal perception, don't you think?

    I personally believe...in my heart...that life is not as it appears. Real life is the Spirit within every living thing and that Spirit is without beginning or end. The life we see, feel and touch is transient and subject to the thought held about it's existence. Is there a material existence on a material planet after leaving this experience we call life? Does it really matter. The Spirit (the breathe of life) within each of us will always exist. The form may be entirely different or another round of the same until we learn or experience what is necessary for us to learn and experience.

    I know. I march to a different drummer...lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author DamianK
    I don't believe in God as a conscious being. I believe there is an energy connection between all things but that's about the extent of it. I'd love to believe in reincarnation or life after death, but the fact of the matter is when you die your consciousness ceases to exist, therefore, you cease to exist. Your consciousness is all you really are.

    Your body rots and cycles back into the universe. And just because we can't explain the universe, that doesn't mean there's someone all knowing and all seeing watching and creating it all. Life isn't a miracle, it's a simple coincidence. There is absolutely nothing special about us, or this entire planet for that matter. This entire Solar System can up and vanish and it would have an effect on absolutely nothing. Humans as a species have ego and need certain thoughts to comfort them. Why do we have afterlife, or are children of a god but paramecium aren't? Why are we special? We're not. That's our ego speaking. Religion is the same as everything else, just as bad and evil as it is good (many times more evil), but honestly, I see more bad in most religions than I do good.

    I'm sure this post will offend some, and it's kind of funny, but I am actually spiritual, in a spiritually-ish scientific way. And out of all "religions" I think the only purely good one is Buhddism. The main concept is simple. Be good to yourself, your neighbor, even if he/she is your enemy, and relieve yourself of unnecessary suffering (jealousy, anger, hatred, depression, etc). All the others are born and bred of hatred and finger pointing.
    What god would demand you worship him or go to a hell? Sounds like vanity....a form of pride.

    All I know is the moment just before I die I want to feel in my heart that I've conquered challenges, was good to myself and good to others......to put it shortly. But I would be totally amped if there was reincarnation. I want to go to other planets and that's not until the future!!! Boooooo!!!!

    So in summary....there is no life after death. And not everyone needs to have a judge at the end of it all to be good (a previous post said everyone believes in life after death on some level or else everyone would be........) and I think it's kind of sad that so many have a conception that "if I don't do these things I will be punished." I mean, why not just be good because you want to be? Just follow your passions and be good to people. Hopefully you'll be proud of your life when you die. That's your only judgement. And last.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mian
    Anna !
    You will get the real life after death. This life is fake at all. the truth of life is hidden till death.
    God Help us
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  • Profile picture of the author april_forshee
    I don't know... I ask this question to myself quite often, but I who can say fro sure that there is a life afer death. At a point I am a little for reicarnayion, but dik about life after death... he spiritual stuff drives me crazy sometimes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Victoria Kelley
    There is spirit, inner being, inner person, soul or whatever else you choose to call it. Spirit is energy so where does it go after you pass from this life?
    It goes back to the source that's where.
    "To prevent the madness and confusion you entered this life with no memory." This is a quote from a book that has always resonated with me.
    Some people however do have memories and flashes under hypnosis they are able to give accurate details of past lives, which again is something many of us do not understand. As the quote above stated we are not supposed to remember.
    We have been taught to be afraid of dying but in actual fact there is nothing to fear. It is what we do now that counts. To be the best we can, to express and feel. To be alive and joyful that is what this life is really about.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author hendricius
    I do believe in life after death.

    This can't be it. God put us here to learn. I wouldn't think this is all for nothing.

    We have a soul inside where do you think that goes when it leaves our body.

    I think that God has a plan for all of us. We just have to wait our turn then he will reveal it to us.

    It is only natural for us to be afraid of the unknown. That's part of what makes us human.

    Trust in God and you will have a good life after death.

    Besides who wants to find out that there is life after death when it is to late then you will just burn for the rest of your life after death.

    So be safe and believe God knows if your heart is pure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sushie93
    I believe in life after death.
    The spirit is invincible, it can't die, it just energy, the body die but the spirit survive.
    I have only one as "Sushie", i mean in this life, i am meeting people and have differents situations, these things are here to help to understand this life and learn somting from it, so i try to profit from it because i have only one life to living as "Sushie", in my other life, i will live under another "personnlity", a "mashibishi" or something else and i will maybe never know people i know today so i profit of my life to be with them. xD
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    • Profile picture of the author Vogin
      "Life after death" is a religious construct for people too weak to handle the simple truth - that there's only empty blackness afterwards.

      "Do good, be rewarded - do bad, go in hell" is yet another construct for weak minds. I behave well based on reason, not because some fancy man in the sky told me.

      I don't need to be told that peace is better than war, love is better than hate or respecting nature is better than fighting it - everyone can deduct these fact using his own mind.

      I find it sad that even if religious people do good, they do it partly because they fear what might happen if they don't, therefore they're somehow forced to it and that's bad.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Vogin View Post

        "Life after death" is a religious construct for people too weak to handle the simple truth - that there's only empty blackness afterwards.

        "Do good, be rewarded - do bad, go in hell" is yet another construct for weak minds. I behave well based on reason, not because some fancy man in the sky told me..
        LOL. You do realize thats just as weak minded as you claim relgious people are. Why? Because you have no idea what happens at death unless you have been there and came back. So at lest in that you have proven that you don't act merely on reason. Its simple unreasonable to know what happens at death without any expertise on the subject.

        The whole point of science is knowing what it can and cannot speak to and it can't speak to anything outside of this universe even though its now been proven that there is reality outside of the present laws in our universe.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
      Originally Posted by hendricius View Post

      We have a soul inside where do you think that goes when it leaves our body.
      Originally Posted by Sushie93 View Post

      The spirit is invincible, it can't die, it just energy, the body die but the spirit survive.
      Sorry to burst your bubble girls, but science has yet to find a single shred of evidence for a soul.

      If this soul... spirit... has energy and momentum, then it's a material entity and science would be able observe and verify it.

      Science has been looking at what happens at the moment of death for over 100 years now and have concluded, beyond a reasonable doubt, that we do not have a soul (spirit).

      There are, after all, atheists who say they wish the fable were true but are unable to suspend the requisite disbelief, or who have relinquished belief only with regret. To this I reply: who wishes that there was a permanent, unalterable celestial despotism that subjected us to continual surveillance and could convict us of thought-crime, and who regarded us as its private property even after we died? How happy we ought to be, at the reflection that there exists not a shred of respectable evidence to support such a horrible hypothesis ~ Christopher Hitchens.
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  • Profile picture of the author markament
    Ok. I'm happy to play along.

    First thing that comes to me is that life and death are not opposites. Birth and death are the polarities.

    What we call life continues independently of these two poles.

    From the perspective of 3rd dimension reality this is pretty much impossible to experience. Some people seem to have glimpses - like those who have near death experiences or sudden satoris.

    The belief that life is continual with our without a physical body takes a lot of pressure off.

    You can't really make a mistake.

    I like the poem by Hafiz

    "This Sky Is No Place to Lose Your Wings,
    So, Love, Love, Love!"





    Originally Posted by AnnaEmilie View Post

    Hey folks,

    I wonder if the belief into life after death some how helps to motivate us in life? As then you do all your action for a higher purpose.

    What about you, do you belief into life after death and if so, how does it motivate you in life?

    If not, what is the reason... does it kind of stoppage your motivational power?

    Anna Emilie.
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  • Profile picture of the author imehe
    There is life after death even the ancient pharisees believed it to be so. The life that exist after death is purely in spiritual form. The mind still functioning 100% but the body having decayed is now in the form of energy. How should this concept of life after death motivate us while living life in the physical form? I remember this famous word of wisdom; "do unto others what you want done onto you". Be kind to others, love others, forgive those that wronged you rather than wait to be rewarded after life.
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  • Profile picture of the author mayapearl
    What do we mean by life after death?
    Is it our consciousness that lives on or do we all return to the Source, whatever that may be, or do we just stay the individual soul and reincarnate add infinitum?
    Does it really matter that much, we don't know what comes after death.
    There are many theories and we can follow whatever religion we wish but when it comes down to it we dont have a clue.
    Dr Weiss did a lot of research on reincarnation and found some amazing evidence to back up life after death, but it tells us that some people have memories of another life, it does not tell us for certain that this means we come back after death as someone else.
    I do believe that there is life after death, but it may be totally different to anything we can imagine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
      Originally Posted by mayapearl View Post

      Dr Weiss did a lot of research on reincarnation and found some amazing evidence to back up life after death, ...
      Sorry, but you're incorrect. He's found no evidence because...

      Weiss' research, which has been conducted without standard scientific protocols or peer review, has also been criticized for relying, as proof of reincarnation, on personal information about Weiss' deceased son that was provided by "Catherine" during a regression of her to "the space between lives."


      HAHAHAhahaha. He's not practicing science... your credulity (and this applies to the majority of people on this planet) makes it easy for him and others to sell his snake oil on shows like Oprah.

      As to us having a "soul" it has been known to neuroscience for some time that we do not. Quoting a Newsweek article from a few years back:

      Sept. 27 issue - Every evening our eyes tell us that the sun sets, while we know that, in fact, the Earth is turning us away from it. Astronomy taught us centuries ago that common sense is not a reliable guide to reality. Today it is neuroscience that is forcing us to readjust our intuitions. People naturally believe in the Ghost in the Machine: that we have bodies made of matter and spirits made of an ethereal something. Yes, people acknowledge that the brain is involved in mental life. But they still think of it as a pocket PC for the soul, managing information at the behest of a ghostly user.

      Modern neuroscience has shown that there is no user. "The soul" is, in fact, the information-processing activity of the brain. New imaging techniques have tied every thought and emotion to neural activity. And any change to the brain--from strokes, drugs, electricity or surgery--will literally change your mind. But this understanding hasn't penetrated the conventional wisdom. We tell people to "use their brains," we speculate about brain transplants (which really should be called body transplants) and we express astonishment that meditation, education and psycho-therapy can actually change the brain. How else could they work?

      This resistance is not surprising. In "Descartes' Baby," psychologist Paul Bloom argues that a mind-body distinction is built into the very way we think. Children easily accept stories in which a person changes from a frog to a prince, or leaves the body to go where the wild things are. And though kids know the brain is useful for thinking, they deny that it makes them feel sad or love their siblings.

      The disconnect between our common sense and our best science is not an academic curiosity. Neuroscience is putting us in unfamiliar predicaments, and if we continue to think of ourselves as shadowy users of our brains we will be needlessly befuddled.




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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post


        Modern neuroscience has shown that there is no user. "The soul" is, in fact, the information-processing activity of the brain.


        Terribly false. You were right to point out pseudo science but that bit in overstating the case has wandered into pseudoscience. Science is never meant to address several issues by its very definition. Furthermore the state of neuroscience has yet to unravel the deeper the secrets of the brain. That you can scan brain activity to thoughts and emotions is really immaterial. Its way too simplistic an observation. No one questions that physical mental processes are involved in the reception of said activities. That you have brain activity lit up when you are happy about something hardly means that the happiness originates from that reaction only that it is involved in receiving that action.

        In other words the fact that when you flip a switch the light bulb has electrical activity doesn't prove the electrical current turned on by itself without something else initiating it.

        There have been a number of recent publications that indicate a quantum process in all conscious activity that is not yet understood. Its patently false to claim that the process of consciousness has been proven by science. Claiming so is by definition pseudoscience as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    I have always personally believed in some sort of continuation beyond the physical realm in this particular life. This is evidenced by normal, sane rational people having experiences with the paranormal and the supernatural (may be one and the same) people have had out of body experiences/near death experiences, experiences with ghosts and memories of previous existences that cannot be accounted for through memories in this particular life. But exactly what occurs remains a mystery.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Don't know why but I always find this subject a bit
    funny.

    Since we humans are superior to any other creature
    we know of, we think that we're special. When in
    fact, we're not. Our brain is better than the brain
    of other creatures on this planet, that's all.

    Just like any other living creature, when our body stops
    functioning, we die, end of story. Most people feel
    better believing that will live happily ever after, after
    they die.

    Unfortuntately there's not a single bit of concrete proof
    that we have a soul, and that life after death exists.

    What I find funny about all of this is this...

    Let's say that we have souls...

    You don't control yourself with your soul, you control
    yourself with your brain.

    When your brain dies you'll lose conciousness, so even
    if your soul lives forever, you wouldn't know, because
    the soul doesn't have a brain!


    Could there be life after death?

    Well yeah, anything's possible, but I doubt that it
    would be as most people picture it to be.

    Just because I don't believe in this doesn't mean that
    I don't appreciate my life though. Actually,
    I appreciate it even more since I believe that I'll
    live once, and I work hard to make my dreams come
    true.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mega B
    Once my number is up that is it,i dont believe in a religion but i respect people who have one and i hope people repect my my wish as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    The funny thing about near death experiences is this they seem to vary from person to person. Some people have reported positive reunions with lost relatives and friends, others have reported negative experiences (being dragged off to a negative afterlife whatever you wish to call it.) and others have reported empty black nothingness they were dead and it was simply left at that. So maybe if there in fact is something beyond the life that we know it’ll vary from person to person or may be something completely beyond anyone’s comprehension or theory.
    The people in question were clinically/technically dead during the times these experiences have been reported to have taken place and were later revived.
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    I am atheist.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    I actually do believe in reincarnation and that we've been other people in our previous lives.

    Maybe I was a viking warrior in my past life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devilishboy
    Yes i do believe in life after death
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    I’ve heard numerous times that either.
    A. You move on to a better/higher place where you are given a new and improved body- A body that is free of whatever impairments, disabilities or conditions that effected your body in this world. For example a handicapped person (in this world) wouldn’t be handicapped any longer. Not only this but this new body would also possess additional senses and abilities such as the ability to fly, breath underwater, travel space and time in a single thought and shape shift/take on previous identities and new ones/appear however it wants to.

    B. You get reincarnated back into this world until you “get it right.” or simply because of your failure to move past this life and let go of it.

    Who knows really thousands of different people have thousands of different theories and beliefs. All of it sounds far fetched and science has yet to prove or disprove anything the technology just isn’t there yet and it may not be explainable by human comprehension. I’ve always believed that it relates to quantum physics and things such as alternate universes, dimensions and realities.
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  • Profile picture of the author elliek
    What if we are all one in the divine having a human experience; and that this is merely a school as we complete our lessons on the way home? Would you treat the people around you differently if you realized that they were God?

    Interesting thread for an interenet marketing forum..........

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  • Profile picture of the author PeterDunin
    It would be nice to think that something happened when you died,but I personally believe that when your gone your gone.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    I believe in life after death, but, nothing is absolute until you actually experience death. I don't want to even get into the debate we can have about us not being alive at this very moment etc etc
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicklas12
    sorry to say, life ends when the life ends. So live it fully.
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  • Profile picture of the author eshopgeek
    If you really want to know about your previous lifetimes, you can. That is really the only way to know beyond a shadow of a doubt whether or not it is true that you have lived before and will live again. I have found out for myself and once you know, you know. That which is true, is what is true for you.
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