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  • Profile picture of the author BenFromSoMo
    You've really opened up a real complicated can of worms, but to some extent I agree with you, but it's hard to put into words exactly why this is so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
      Originally Posted by BenFromSoMo View Post

      You've really opened up a real complicated can of worms, but to some extent I agree with you, but it's hard to put into words exactly why this is so.
      The reason it can't be put into words is because you can't understand it at the level of the mind.

      I'm getting into some "deep" new-age weirdo stuff here, but the more I learn about this topic, the better my life gets...without me "trying" to make it better.
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  • Profile picture of the author BenSalez
    Belief system is important; however the "secret" is missing one fundamental ingredient... ACTION.

    I think the law of consistent time and energy is more relevant to what we do.

    -ALL HARD WORK LEADS TO A PROFIT.
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      Originally Posted by BenSalez View Post

      Belief system is important; however the "secret" is missing one fundamental ingredient... ACTION.
      That says it all!
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
        Originally Posted by GodFadr View Post

        That says it all!
        I completely agree. Action is necessary for success, but here's the thing...

        We don't take action, action arises spontaneously. The reason most people DON'T take action is because they are resisting action taking....mainly by having incredible desires...

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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
      Originally Posted by BenSalez View Post

      Belief system is important; however the "secret" is missing one fundamental ingredient... ACTION.

      I think the law of consistent time and energy is more relevant to what we do.

      -ALL HARD WORK LEADS TO A PROFIT.
      The thing is, we don't take action....action arises spontaneously!!

      This is such a weird concept, but the more I learn about it the more I buy into the fact that we're really not in control of our own actions...

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    • Profile picture of the author MeelisM
      Originally Posted by BenSalez View Post

      Belief system is important; however the "secret" is missing one fundamental ingredient... ACTION.

      I think the law of consistent time and energy is more relevant to what we do.

      -ALL HARD WORK LEADS TO A PROFIT.
      I agree. And taking constant action goes together with the "effortless creation". You work hard in the beginning, you start seeing some success. You keep working hard and since you've become more confident in being successfull towards your goal, you start to gain the success "effortlessly". But you must take constant action.

      Visualizing your goal while sitting under a tree eating an apple for 4 hours every day isn't going to bring you any closer to your goal. You just need to work hard.
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      • Profile picture of the author reapr
        It is like going to a multilevel network marketing convention and getting all pumped up then after a few hours the reality sinks in.

        You have to take action, work and believe in what your doing!
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      • Profile picture of the author WorkSatisfaction
        I have always lived by the motto that dreams without a plan of action and physical work on your part will forever remain dreams.

        It is only when we take action that we are able to realise exactly what we are capable of. This realisation usually gives us the desire to push ourselves all the harder to achieve our original 'dream' and continue beyond that point to dream even further and bring into reality even bigger achievements.

        Life to me is an intricate web of dreams, passion and action to achieve.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      ...the "secret" is missing THE fundamental ingredient... ACTION.


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      Originally Posted by BenSalez View Post


      ...the "secret" is missing one fundamental ingredient... ACTION.
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      • Profile picture of the author naruq
        Joe Mobley hit the nail right on the head. You can sit around all day long and visualize what you want, however you have to take action. As the Late Gary Halbert said motion beats meditation.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ragz
          Originally Posted by naruq View Post

          Joe Mobley hit the nail right on the head. You can sit around all day long and visualize what you want, however you have to take action. As the Late Gary Halbert said motion beats meditation.
          Bingo. If you want a glass of water, you get up and get it. Or you can "call" someone to get it for you. I've yet to see someone mentally produce a glass of water. An action is required. There is no *poof* manifestation, nor am I saying that's what's being suggested in some of these posts... I'm merely creating a contrasting image. I do believe that meditating upon a thing will help you steer into situations or scenarios more conducive to creating or producing what you are desiring, but you'll still have to do the creating.
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      • Profile picture of the author usapt
        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        ...the "secret" is missing THE fundamental ingredient... ACTION.


        Joe Mobley

        I believe we were created to "create". Action is a necessary ingredient, but I would disagree that it is THE ingredient. "Meaningful and planned" action is what transforms thoughts into reality. The "Secret" and it's instructions are merely the processes to getting one's self to actually take meaningful and planned action.

        In other words if you can conciously align your thoughts with success and abundance, the ways will be shown to you, thus hopefully sparking your body to take action. The problem that lies with the "Secret" is that many times when people get the "way" to success shown to them they begin to feel good and associate that with accomplishment. And everyone knows that most of the time we are hardwired to party when things go good or when we think we have achieved success. This is unfortunately when our action stops.

        The interesting thing is that when you look at the ultra successful and wonder at how they can accomplish so much or accumulate so much wealth in such short periods, you must understand that there is another element to add to "meaningful and planned" action... It's Meaningful + Planned + Effortless = Mega Results. In other words, meaningful and planned action will get you results, but if they are effortless you will get 10 times more done in the same period and achieve thousands of times more.

        The "Effortless" element is what is so elusive because truly the harder we try to get to effortless action, the more we actually run from it. There's a lot more to my theory, but that's later.

        Now, with all of that out of the way, I can tell you for certain that if you want to accomplish something, whether it is making money on the internet or building a house, you: #1. must, must, must have a plan or blueprint; #2. Use the "Pain and Pleasure Principle" to get yourself to take action according to your blueprint.

        This simple little principle drives everything we do as humans...period.

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    • Profile picture of the author jjbalagosa
      Originally Posted by prophetmktg View Post

      I guess what I'm trying to say is that wanting a goal more is most likely hurting your more than helping. I'm completely open to hearing what everyone here thinks!!
      Hit the nail on the head with that one. When you "want" something it makes your subconscious mind notice the lack of it. So you may think that you're focusing on what you want to attract but you are just actually reinforcing in your mind that you don't actually have it yet. It's a vicious circle.

      A better way to think about your wants is to think of it like ordering a product from Amazon or Ebay or something like that. The moment you place your order, you know that you don't have it yet, but it truly is a matter of time before you get it. When you get into this feeling of inevitability then attraction gets a lot easier.

      Originally Posted by BenSalez View Post

      Belief system is important; however the "secret" is missing one fundamental ingredient... ACTION.

      I think the law of consistent time and energy is more relevant to what we do.

      -ALL HARD WORK LEADS TO A PROFIT.
      In the original version of "The Secret" (The one based off of Abraham-Hick's work) Joe Vitale talks briefly about taking "intuitive action." He says that when you feel that nudge or intuition telling you to do something, don't question it, just do it.

      There's a lot of merit in that. In Jack Welch's book "Straight from the Gut" he says that when he makes decisions, he makes them fast and decisive. And also goes on to state that his initial thought is right 90% of the time. Following his intuition made him a billionaire.

      But don't write me off as a fanboy just yet, however, "The Secret" didn't talk enough about taking action as they should have. I think they did it for mass appeal. And they oversimplified many many issues regarding intricacies of how your subconscious works regarding the law of attraction. A little bit of a sellout, but they did effectively bring LOA into the main stream. And if that was their goal, they were effective.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Hooper
      Originally Posted by BenSalez View Post

      Belief system is important; however the "secret" is missing one fundamental ingredient... ACTION.
      Not really. It talks about "alignment" and, for more people, that includes action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
    I guess the biggest proof of this entire thing was when Hale mentioned this...

    He asked, "Okay, if you're in control of your destiny (as stated by The Secret), then tell me...What is your next thought going to be?"

    This completely blew my mind. For the first time, I realized I WASN'T in control of my own actions, they arise SPONTANEOUSLY! Holy crap!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    Wanting a goal that you take no action on obtaining is pointless, so if that is what you are trying to say, then I agree. You got to put your desires into action, in order to get what you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author ladywriter
    How do I get a nice house without....wanting a nice house? The theory of nonattachment/letting go/etc. is so very irritating on that level lol. I want some roses.....so I tell myself to not want roses? And it seems such an emotionless state too, no desires...no wants....

    And if you aren't in control of your actions because they rise spontaneously....who IS in control?

    I'm quite interested in this subject area but I can't seem to grasp it to my satisfaction.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
      Originally Posted by rosegrower76 View Post

      How do I get a nice house without....wanting a nice house? The theory of nonattachment/letting go/etc. is so very irritating on that level lol. I want some roses.....so I tell myself to not want roses? And it seems such an emotionless state too, no desires...no wants....

      And if you aren't in control of your actions because they rise spontaneously....who IS in control?

      I'm quite interested in this subject area but I can't seem to grasp it to my satisfaction.
      It's not that you shouldn't desire something, it's that you should ALLOW yourself to desire something.

      Have you ever been in a relationship with someone, and felt like you had to "hang on to them" to keep them around? What happens? Normally, they are more repelled than anything...whereas if you just let them be how they are, they would probably be a lot more attracted to you...

      Here's the thing...

      Most of us have conflicting beliefs, wants, desires, etc...

      And I cannot answer "who IS in control." I'm not suggesting you believe what I believe, just to consider it. I was a firm believer that I was in control for years and years...

      This only leads to pain and suffering.

      It's not important to know who is or isn't in control, only to let your experience happen without judgement or resistance.

      There's a quote by Bruce Lee that really sums this up well...

      "The point is the doing of them rather than the accomplishments. There is no actor but the action; there is no experiencer but the experience."
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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    1.This belongs in off-topic.
    2.The Secret DOES suck, it speaks nothing of the ACTION required for any kind of success. Thoughts alone won't get you anything.
    3. Whatever the "Sedona" method is, it sounds completely ridiculous. You want something, so you just say to yourself "Meh, who cares about that"?! Really? So you lie to your self, try to ignore what you want, and just let whatever happens happen? Call me crazy, but I think KNOWING what you want, focusing on getting it, then setting up a plan of action and taking the needed steps every day is a much better option than willful ignorance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    Most of that spiritual prosperity stuff is useless in terms of
    getting money unless you have the discipline set up a
    system for collecting the money and the insight and
    skill to sell something that has a wide appeal or a narrow
    appeal and high-profit an/or transaction size, and a profitably
    reachable market.

    With those requirements, it's no wonder so many people
    get it wrong the first few tries. Many give up too early
    and with too little insight into the marketplace.

    Check out Stuart Wilde's stuff on money if you haven't yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author USGTMauthor
    I second the Stuart Wilde recommendation check out the Trick to Money is Having Some. Remember the Secret is a marketing campaign to sell books, DVDs and seminars. The LOA can never be proven and many say it can't be dis-proven. But if you come home every day and sit on your coach and think about a glass of water someone may come along and give you one. Now compare the percentage of times you think about the glass of water, get up pull a glass off the shelf and pour yourself one. My guess is the second percentage is significantly higher. So whether the LOA is real or not, action clearly improves the probability of success.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I thought the secret was great...

    Anyway, I think the majority of the self help stuff is total BS anyway. You want to do something that you think is going to make you money? Great... just do it. No excuses, no procrastination, just do it. It isn't about bringing positive energy to you, it is not about talking things into action, it isn't about dreaming or having good thoughts. I'd much rather have dreams, be realistic and find out a way to accomplish what I want and DO IT.

    The secret is great for those who are naturally negative and a bore to be around.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Broberg
    I thought the "secret" was a mostly uplifting movie. However, I didn't like that they showed the girl looking at the lottery in the beginning. They kind of promoted a message that appeals to people's gullibility.

    If the law of attraction worked that way, it would be like the movie Bruce Almighty. Remember when everyone wins the lottery and gets a lousy 7 bucks?
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  • Profile picture of the author andrea_vk
    I just posted this and was logged out. So writing it for the secodn time.

    The secret talks about the law of attraction but there are otehr laws like teh law of detachment. TO gat something you need to want it, take action but detach yourself from teh end result meaning do not depend your happiness on that.

    It does work and the most classic exmaple I can give you is of someone wnating to fall pregnant.
    I experienced this twice.
    I just wnated to fall preganant, went to doctors ebcasue nothing was happening, did some treatments but then teh doctor wanted to push for IVF and I just somehow di dnot feel like. I one day decided I was happy without children.

    I was not faking this, I really felt happy without them, I enjoy having my own time. SO I just realised I was happy. The next month I fell pregnant naturally.

    A similar thing happened with my second child. Something similar happened to my sister and to too many other women.
    AS soon as you detach from what you want you get it.
    I know it is difficult to detach from what you want. But I experience this in other situations also. It does not mean that you do not want it any more, but that no matter what happened you will be okay with it.

    You can also not say well from now on I will be detached from what I want. I personally experienced this as a switch that happened without forcing it ( a switch in my mind, now I am happy without what I wanted)

    It does work. The law of attraction or all universal laws work. They are laws and work. Another point is that you need to be very clear on what you want.


    I was told also to imagine like everything I want is in a warehouse with my name on it and as soon as I ask for it the universe will bring it for me. But to get it I cannot change my mind. Like for exampel if I wnat a new blue car, as soon as I ask the universe will go and get it for me from the warehouse, but then 5 miiinutes later I might think, well that car is so expensive I cannot afford it. SO the universe will return teh car to teh warehouse. Teh enxt day I sa I wished I had that car, but then a huge bill arrives to your post box, and you think well I will never be able to even think about the car.

    Then the universe is comletely confused. Unfortunately this is what I have been doing lately in certain areas of my life.

    Of course you need to take action, I would not be able to have a child just by wanting it. But as soon as you take action and you know what you want clearly and you do not change your mind and you detach of it, the universe will open doors for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Acumen
    Originally Posted by prophetmktg View Post

    I'm probably going to cause a lot of controversy with this post, but that's okay...

    I'm open to some healthy debate.

    For the longest time I really believed in The Secret (I'm sure you've seen the movie or read this book)...

    But, now after learning more and more about "Eastern" philosophies, my *current* belief is that excessive desire actually makes it HARDER for me to accomplish my goals...

    I've been getting into The Sedona Method (especially the course "Effortless Creation") recently and this is something that comes up a lot...

    Hale Dwoskin, the creator of the Method, often says, "Would you rather want to be wealthy, or have wealth?" In essence the wanting wealth (desire) actually is a form of resisting attracting wealth...

    This isn't to say that having a goal is not important. Here's what I mean...

    I do think it's important to have a clear goal in mind. But that's only the first step of the process...

    The next step is to release your desire of actually getting that goal. I know this may sound weird; I thought so too...

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that wanting a goal more is most likely hurting your more than helping. I'm completely open to hearing what everyone here thinks!!
    "relaease your desire" whoever said that is coming from somewhere that is valuable to realize. Not that this attitude will gain you an extrinsic value in life - but even better, an intrinsic one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Piero
    @prophetmktg- I like your post- brings to mind "The emperor's clothes". The secret to the Secret seems to be to sell The Secret movies and DVDs and stuff....and this has been acomplished admirably well.

    Try reading Wallace D Wattles "The science of getting rich"? It deals clearly with all the components of the process.

    PM me if you'd like a Word copy emailed to you....or just google it for a free downoad.

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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
    With all due respect, I personally thought The "Secret" (there was nothing secret about anything in it) was the most inane and ridiculous waste of time I've yet to encounter.

    What the Bleep Do We Know is WORLDS better and actually discusses intensely meaningful and applicable philosophies presented by some of the greatest minds of our time. (Philosophies that I have used in real life to create success and live whatever life I want to live- whenever I want to live it.)

    In any case, the "Secret" and all programs like it are, in my mind, only appealing when a person does not fully understand or accept how ultimately responsible for their own destiny they really are. When you understand this level of responsibility, ACTION comes naturally. (Or depression, if you suffer from Analysis Paralysis.....) If your destiny is your own responsibility, then it's obvious that:

    Wealth Creation is Responsibility
    Success is Responsibility
    Achieving Nirvana is Responsibility

    and, my personal favorite quote from a Richard Bach book:

    "God is Responsibility"

    Pretty powerful and life changing stuff for me, but I recognize that we all make these types of connections in different ways. I suppose the path we take to get to the same place doesn't matter much, but I can tell you without question that I'd rather walk on my own in the dark than follow anyone's "system" or "secret". I KNOW I'm responsible for my own success.

    Or failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaxxxon
    I couldn't believe there were no biblical quotes referred to in that movie. Of course, there's much more to the bible than "the secret", but there are some really nice powerful one-liners that sum things up rather clearly...

    "Whatsoever things you ask for when you pray, believe that you received them and you shall have them"
    Note -- "believe that you recieved (past tense in many translations) Mark 11:24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

    Of couse, "Faith without works is dead"... (gotta take action).

    "Call things which be not as though they are"... Rom 4:17
    (Kinda like, you'll see it when you believe it -- and speak it)

    There's much more...
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisKahler
    I agree with you on this. The truth is, wealth, success, or anything else along the lines that people try "desiring" according to the secret is not practical or possible. Thinking or feeling positive will not make any changes in your life. The reason why is because these "desires" are too ambiguous; there is no definite answer, tangible notion, or real motivation behind desiring these things.

    If you want to know how true 'success' is created, you've got to find the people that have it and model what they DO not really what they say to do. For example, if you were model how Olympic athletes gain the "success" they have with what they love to do, it is because they are committed wholeheartedly to doing what they do.

    The secret is not a secret at all, it is a bunch of bull. I think the true secret is inspiration. When you are inspired to accomplish something and then you make a decision to do it you create a commitment which becomes a mission. Without even knowing it you will instantly hit the track to getting it done and will power through all the obstacles that come in your way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Clough
    Actually, the Secret (movie) isn't bull......"they" (the producers) took massive action and made millions see? They got "their" results, right? What's in the movie, is utter nonsense. "Your wish is my command" (The Aladdin's Lamp part)....CRAP!

    When Esther Hicks had a falling out with them, they didn't lay down and say "we're screwed"...they took more action!

    I know a ton of successful people personally, and they did not sit down one day and "intend" of "manifest" anything whatsoever. All they did was take massive action and work their butts off......for YEARS! Something a lot of people don't want to do.

    There is no magic pill, magic movie or magic book, folks!
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisKahler
      Originally Posted by Rowdy Yates View Post

      Actually, the Secret (movie) isn't bull......"they" (the producers) took massive action and made millions see? They got "their" results, right? What's in the movie, is utter nonsense. "Your wish is my command" (The Aladdin's Lamp part)....CRAP!

      When Esther Hicks had a falling out with them, they didn't lay down and say "we're screwed"...they took more action!

      I know a ton of successful people personally, and they did not sit down one day and "intend" of "manifest" anything whatsoever. All they did was take massive action and work their butts off......for YEARS! Something a lot of people don't want to do.

      There is no magic pill, magic movie or magic book, folks!
      Haha you are right, the CREATION of the movie wasn't bull... too bad they didn't teach in the movie the steps it took to make the movie. The message of the secret IS bull, the creation of it was a totally different process!
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  • Profile picture of the author Max Stryker
    You just have to know what you want, let it out there, let go the resistances, and you'll get it back.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
      Originally Posted by Max Stryker View Post

      You just have to know what you want, let it out there, let go the resistances, and you'll get it back.
      Definitely! You've got it Max.

      It's more about letting go of resistance after knowing what you want.

      Contrary to popular belief, it's easier to achieve something when you are detached from the outcome.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Newman
    It doesn't suck. But, it focused too much on a part of the process. The LOA works. It does not negate or preclude ...work.

    The idea that we're not responsible for our actions is hard, in fact it's impossible for me to swallow. It has serious consequences. You need to shed more light on your take. Who is responsible?
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
      Originally Posted by Michael Newman View Post

      It doesn't suck. But, it focused too much on a part of the process. The LOA works. It does not negate or preclude ...work.

      The idea that we're not responsible for our actions is hard, in fact it's impossible for me to swallow. It has serious consequences. You need to shed more light on your take. Who is responsible?
      I know this is really weird!

      I didn't believe it at first either, and I'm not suggesting you believe it either...

      The moment that I heard Hale ask, "If we are in control of our thoughts, then tell me...what is your next thought going to be??"

      At first I was like, "OF COURSE I'm in control of my thoughts! But then I thought about the question and I realized that everything that happens is completely spontaneous, not planned.

      My belief is that if we were actually in control we would never not accomplish something! I mean, haven't you ever not done something that you knew you should do??

      MIND BLOWN....

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  • Profile picture of the author mikecsy
    Hey Prophet,
    I have been practicing the "sedona method" for a number of years and its amazing how easily things come about when you are no longer attached to the outcome. Having an attachment to what you want to happen as a result of a particular action is like driving with one foot on the gas and the other on the brake, letting go of attachment is like taking your foot off the brake. One word of caution just because I said it becomes easy does not imply there is no action required, its just that the action has no resistance. I even use the "sedona method" in my coaching and my clients are amazed at how amazingly easy it is to learn and the longer one practices the lighter they become.
    To Your Success,
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
      Originally Posted by mikecsy View Post

      Hey Prophet,
      I have been practicing the "sedona method" for a number of years and its amazing how easily things come about when you are no longer attached to the outcome. Having an attachment to what you want to happen as a result of a particular action is like driving with one foot on the gas and the other on the brake, letting go of attachment is like taking your foot off the brake. One word of caution just because I said it becomes easy does not imply there is no action required, its just that the action has no resistance. I even use the "sedona method" in my coaching and my clients are amazed at how amazingly easy it is to learn and the longer one practices the lighter they become.
      To Your Success,
      Mike
      Mike,

      You are totally right!

      I'm not suggesting that you can manifest what you want without action, as you mentioned...

      It's simply clearing (letting go) of the resistance that really causes tremendous gains!

      I've only been using the Sedona Method for a few months, but the results have been astronomical!

      To your success,

      Robert
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    I am also a fan of the Sedona Method. I worked with it a lot last year and found a great deal of freedom by doing the releasing exercises. I felt it was very, very valuable and return to it any time that I find myself wanting to control situations or other people.
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  • Profile picture of the author jjbalagosa
    Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko View Post

    It's hilarious when threads like this are created and people try to come in and discredit thought by saying, "Forget thinking! Just take action!" These guys completely forget that there can be no action without thought. Then you have other guys saying, "I achieved my success not through the manifestations of my thoughts, but through action." When you have a great understanding of thought-creation, energy, how the universe works, etc., you understand that nothing can be created by man without him thinking it first. You may think that you succeeded because of all your hard work, but not really. Your hard work played a vital role, to a degree. But it was your thinking which made your hard work pay off the way it did, not hard work alone. Hard work without concentrated thought is worthless.

    These people miss the point. No respected teacher in the field of thought-creation has ever said that you don't have to take action. Not one. The Secret didn't even say that. My only knock on The Secret is that it didn't tell the whole story. But still, it's a good book to introduce you to The Law of Attraction. Not to turn this into a religious discussion but...it's also amazing to me how many people are into religion, but they completely dismiss the idea of thought-creation. If you truly understood religion, you'd see that the whole message behind religion was to teach you how to use your ability to create. And by the way, I'm an Atheist saying this.

    The point I'm making is: I understand if you're frustrated with The Secret, simply because it doesn't tell you everything. But don't dismiss Universal Laws and man's creative power because of The Secret, especially when people have been preaching about man's ability to create since Egyptian Times. I guess the Egyptians were scamming too when they taught each other how to use their minds to create?
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  • Profile picture of the author USGTMauthor
    The problem was the secret did not discuss the action part. At one point I checked the book out of the library to compare it to the SOGR which was the supposed inspiration and found the SOGR had the word action over 50 times and the secret had it once and it was not even used in the way most people use action, it referred to it as almost happening by itself. The LOA teachers of today stress the thinking part over the action part, the LOA teachers of yesteryear like Wattles and Hill stressed the thinking as part of entire process including action. As I wrote a few years ago, thoughts are things if. The if being action. Thinking about a huge business is truly a great start, but visualizing, planning, taking action and using feedback is an entire program to make it happen. The secret is like a running book that stops at buying the right shoes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Piero
      Originally Posted by USGTMauthor View Post

      The problem was the secret did not discuss the action part. At one point I checked the book out of the library to compare it to the SOGR which was the supposed inspiration and found the SOGR had the word action over 50 times and the secret had it once and it was not even used in the way most people use action, it referred to it as almost happening by itself. The LOA teachers of today stress the thinking part over the action part, the LOA teachers of yesteryear like Wattles and Hill stressed the thinking as part of entire process including action. As I wrote a few years ago, thoughts are things if. The if being action. Thinking about a huge business is truly a great start, but visualizing, planning, taking action and using feedback is an entire program to make it happen. The secret is like a running book that stops at buying the right shoes.
      Love the bit about the running shoes!
      If indeed The Secret sucks, then it would seem to be by virtue of omission (of the vital component "action"). However, a lie/inaccuracy by omission is as good as a one by comission.

      Science of getting rich by Wally.....still rocks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Niky Ray
        The "Secret" was a sales letter for the Law of Attraction. The issues you address are the deeper layers of the theory.
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    Is it possible to overload on self help?
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    • Profile picture of the author USGTMauthor
      I think it is possible to overload on self help or any kind of advice, because the more you read the less you act. Additionally, at some point advice starts to conflict. As Krishnamurti said Truth is a Pathless land. Meaning you have to discover it for yourself. So it is much better to truly apply some advice and see if it works for you as opposed to "thinking" what works and jumping from thing to thing.

      I am involved in time management and the internet is filled with forum on the the subject espousing TM theories and when new ones come up without even trying them I see comments like this won't work or what about tweaking the method like this. I just have to laugh as I know people who are highly productive who have never thought about time management once in their life, while these "students" of the subject are not all that productive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
      Originally Posted by lingo View Post

      Is it possible to overload on self help?
      Definitely possible to overload.

      I was one of these "victims."

      lol....
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      • Profile picture of the author Presto Smith
        There have been a lot of replies to this post, but I wanted to drop my two cents in on this topic. I watched "The Secret" several months ago and decided that it was not for me.

        The big turn-off was that the entire motivation seems to be to obtain material possessions which will ultimately bring you happiness. My personal take on this is that these material possessions bring on a quick burst of happiness that then just as quickly melts away. Examples of longer lasting happiness can come from healthy activity, doing what you love and meaningful and lasting relationships.
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    Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko View Post

    It's hilarious when threads like this are created and people try to come in and discredit thought by saying, "Forget thinking! Just take action!" These guys completely forget that there can be no action without thought. Then you have other guys saying, "I achieved my success not through the manifestations of my thoughts, but through action." When you have a great understanding of thought-creation, energy, how the universe works, etc., you understand that nothing can be created by man without him thinking it first. You may think that you succeeded because of all your hard work, but not really. Your hard work played a vital role, to a degree. But it was your thinking which made your hard work pay off the way it did, not hard work alone. Hard work without concentrated thought is worthless.

    These people miss the point. No respected teacher in the field of thought-creation has ever said that you don't have to take action. Not one. The Secret didn't even say that. My only knock on The Secret is that it didn't tell the whole story. But still, it's a good book to introduce you to The Law of Attraction. Not to turn this into a religious discussion but...it's also amazing to me how many people are into religion, but they completely dismiss the idea of thought-creation. If you truly understood religion, you'd see that the whole message behind religion was to teach you how to use your ability to create. And by the way, I'm an Atheist saying this.

    The point I'm making is: I understand if you're frustrated with The Secret, simply because it doesn't tell you everything. But don't dismiss Universal Laws and man's creative power because of The Secret, especially when people have been preaching about man's ability to create since Egyptian Times. I guess the Egyptians were scamming too when they taught each other how to use their minds to create?
    LOL okay.
    We should do a test.
    2 people with one goal - make 1 million dollars in 1 year.
    One person sits on his couch and visualizes 1 million dollars 18 hours every day (sleeps 6 hours) for 1 year. The other person works 18 hours every day towards his goal.

    Which one would come closer to the goal?
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    • Profile picture of the author MeelisM
      Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko View Post

      Okay, you obviously can't comprehend simple words. Where did I say that a person is supposed to visualize all day long and not take any action? Copy and paste where I said that. If you can't do that, then there's no need for me you to quote me again. That's the problem with most of you who visit this section. You read things the way you want to read them instead of reading things for what they really mean.

      What I simply said was that there can be no success without concentrated thought first, no matter how hard you work. This is something we've been taught since elementary school. If you're that slow at learning, that you can't understand that...I don't know what to tell you. Didn't you have to THINK of your response to me first and concentrate on making your point before you typed it? Of course you did. So what makes it so different for anything else?

      How about I ask YOU a question....

      Who succeeds first? The person who thinks about a goal obsessively, organizes his ideas, comes up with a plan of attack and then move forward with intelligent, appropriate action? OR....The person who just attacks a task without taking the time to focus and come up with any ideas first ?
      LOL. You seem to be another newage maniac obsessed with the secret. Ofcourse you have to make a game plan for reaching your goal and ofcourse you have to think to do it. Has anybody said that you do not have to think? But it all comes down to taking action after the thinking. You can't just think of a BMW M6 and hope it will be manifested by the universe in your back yard
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  • Profile picture of the author herculesx
    It not make sense,, i think you should take some risk,,
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    My belief is that in order to succeed in any business, YES you must have a positive attitude but if you don't take the RIGHT actions, you will still be able to fail and not reach any goals.

    People think that just because they think and attract what they want, that they will see it manifest. This is wrong from my own experience. If you don't take the right action, you will not succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
    Contrary to popular belief...

    The easiest way to accomplish more is to be completely satisfied with what you already have. Incessant desire is actually what holds you back...

    Being grateful and "in the moment" is what will allow the space to really start making a change (or rather, allowing for change to happen)...
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Brauer
    For the longest time I really believed that if I just cared more or tried harder, things would work out...

    As crazy as it may seem at first, this is not the way to success.

    Yes, there is work involved, but caring too much actually holds you back!

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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Excellent discernment on your part.

      It took me decades to understand that. It hurts my soul to see others struggle in almost endless frustration yet they can't seem to figure out why.

      Even worse are those that refuse to listen to anything other than the self inflicted slogans of fools.

      "... and a dog returns to his vomit."

      Again, good eyes.

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      Originally Posted by prophetmktg View Post

      For the longest time I really believed that if I just cared more or tried harder, things would work out...

      As crazy as it may seem at first, this is not the way to success.

      Yes, there is work involved, but caring too much actually holds you back!
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  • Profile picture of the author magnates
    The secret seems to forget the fact that you need to act . You can visualise having a dog but if you do nothing about it ,it is no good .You would never get the dog because you are no willing to do anything to get it .
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  • Profile picture of the author CK Trust
    Well, newsflash... If you don't have the right attitude at first... YOU WILL NEVER TAKE THE RIGHT STEPS... What is wrong from anyones expierenence may be right from someone elses, haha... It's always the dominant beliefs, often unconscious that determine our expierience.... Thought comes before every action, there is no way around it... But there's a BIG difference between mere thinking (mostly reflecting) and creative thought... Thought = cause, action= effect... Action is only good if it's constructive and it results in a desired outcome isn't it?

    cause ann effect would be (creative):
    Thoughts ... (Spirit) to Idea ... (Intellectual) to Thing ... (Physical)

    effect and cause would be (reflective):
    Thing ... (Physical) to Thoughts ... (Spirit) to Idea ... (Intellectual)

    One of my favorite quotes ever:

    „Yes, humanity surges with uncontrolled passions, is tumultuous with ungoverned grief, is blown about by anxiety and doubt. Only the wise man, only he whose thoughts are controlled and purified, makes the winds and the storms of the soul obey him“ James Allen
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  • Profile picture of the author jonjune
    The problem can be that wanting something very badly rather focuses our mind on the "not having" our desired outcome. Whilst we are focusing on the pain or frustration of "not having" we are not in vibrastional alignment with our desire and the Universe will only deliver experiences that match our vibration.

    For the law of attraction to work we have to be a vibrational match with our desire. We therefore have to experience the emotions involved in already having attained our goal.

    This can be quite a challenge when you are perhaps working hard but experiencing disappointment and frustration. You have to get yourself to a more positive and happy perspective to "let it in" to your experience.

    You can improve your perspective by practicing gratitude and slowly improving yor mood and persective, by focusing on the good things already in your life. I also use brain entrainment to help me release anxiety and doubt both of which are resistance to the Law of Attraction.

    Kind regards,

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  • Profile picture of the author NSNWorldwide
    "The Secret" only explains part of the dynamic of the Law of Attraction. The most important part of the "attraction" part of the equation is to be in alignment with the Universe. When you are in total alignment by not RESISTING the present moment, then the Universe will deliver the results that match your vibrational level.

    It sounds like voodoo, but this principle is proved by quantum physics. As a result, we all have the ability to change the outcome of what we are doing/observing by bringing our awareness to it. Now science and spirituality are closely aligned to explain how to attract what we want. It's not done by wishing alone. Wishing only attracts more wishing. Doing is what delivers the goods. This is fascinating stuff and Internet marketing is a perfect playground to test these beliefs.
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      Maybe you could site some of that proof?

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      ...this principle is proved by quantum physics.
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  • Profile picture of the author J R Salem
    Hey, great posts in here!!!

    Some people hit it on the head. You gotta find meaning in what you do!!!

    You can't just desire to be rich, or desire to have a nice house, car, lots of possessions.

    It has to have meaning. Maybe you want the house for your family, or the car for your kids, or maybe you want to spend more time at home.

    Whatever it is, set your mind to it, and go get it!! But it has to have true meaning.

    I agree that the desire can fade as the desire increases. Crazy concept!

    But if the desire has some meaning, like family/friends/etc, then I believe the desire will lead to hard work and dedication.

    I'm a firm believe in giving. Everyone is unique and has something to give. So don't hide behind the keyboard all day. Go out and give what you have to the world. Find your passion, find your meaning.

    Once you do this, your "work" is the tool that can pay to satisfy these desires!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bradley J Anderson
    'The Secret' is nothing new. It's the same info you can find in a hundred other books over the last 100 years, just re-written, a new cover and a huge marketing push. Some of Joe Vitale's old products covered the exact same stuff, as did 'Think and Grow Rich'.
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    There is no secret just take action.



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  • Profile picture of the author John Trader
    Originally Posted by prophetmktg View Post

    excessive desire actually makes it HARDER for me to accomplish my goals.... Hale Dwoskin, the creator of the Method, often says, "Would you rather want to be wealthy, or have wealth?" In essence the wanting wealth (desire) actually is a form of resisting attracting wealth...
    I think you're right on with this, the mindset of wanting actually can repel that which we most need.

    In addition, IMHO, our belief system has to be consistent with our *action*... Even The Secret wouldn't have happened if some savvy marketers didn't get together and make it a reality.
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    Thanks this was interesting for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author happyme
    See, the secret did not tell you everything did it. It just opened up some cases and explained them to you practically. But there's alot going on in the mind when you are choosing your goals and the path to achieve it. This is where it makes the difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author Razarulz
      Originally Posted by happyme View Post

      See, the secret did not tell you everything did it. It just opened up some cases and explained them to you practically. But there's alot going on in the mind when you are choosing your goals and the path to achieve it. This is where it makes the difference.
      i think like this too..
      Secret only giving you guide for you, it's depend on yourself what kind of path you want to choose and what kind of life you want to do...
      i'm myself read the secret book and i think it's good for me to choose what i want to do for me in my life...
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  • Profile picture of the author outsourceforce
    the secret just tells you that the sky isnt the limit. thats good in some point but many people think that they have just to think positive, and thats FALSE. you need to come out of your box/comfort zone. unfortunatley theres no "the secret of taking action"
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  • Profile picture of the author PLR Basket
    Originally Posted by prophetmktg View Post

    I'm probably going to cause a lot of controversy with this post, but that's okay...

    I'm open to some healthy debate.

    For the longest time I really believed in The Secret (I'm sure you've seen the movie or read this book)...

    But, now after learning more and more about "Eastern" philosophies, my *current* belief is that excessive desire actually makes it HARDER for me to accomplish my goals...

    I've been getting into The Sedona Method (especially the course "Effortless Creation") recently and this is something that comes up a lot...

    Hale Dwoskin, the creator of the Method, often says, "Would you rather want to be wealthy, or have wealth?" In essence the wanting wealth (desire) actually is a form of resisting attracting wealth...

    This isn't to say that having a goal is not important. Here's what I mean...

    I do think it's important to have a clear goal in mind. But that's only the first step of the process...

    The next step is to release your desire of actually getting that goal. I know this may sound weird; I thought so too...

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that wanting a goal more is most likely hurting your more than helping. I'm completely open to hearing what everyone here thinks!!
    Yes! Yes! Yes! Finally someone who thinks like me.

    I was a disciple of "The Secret" for a long time before I realized that desires ALWAYS come with a sense of dissatisfaction and as long as you continue cultivating these desires, you'll never be happy.

    The book "Think and Grow Rich" is a great book to begin opening yourself to the true nature of this reality, but I also think that it can be a very dangerous book. Why? Because it teaches that you have to cultivate a "burning desire" towards a goal to achieve it. But there's no way to cultivate this burning desire without resenting the current situation you're in. You pretty much have to wake up feeling angry about your current situation in order to cultivate that desire, and to me, that is a counter-productive method.

    To me, someone like JK Rowling is the perfect example of an effortless billionaire. I'm sure some will tell me: "but she had to work to get where she's at now". Of course she did. But she did it doing something that SHE LOVED. And when you get to do what you love day in and day out and get paid in the process, then it's not really work is it?

    If you're currently making a living doing something that you wouldn't be doing for free, then you're in the wrong track, simple as that. I don't care how much money you make or how many things you buy, you'll always feel a sense of dissatisfaction for not following your true path...
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  • Profile picture of the author edge83
    The Sedona Method is entirely about releasing desire (though much more in depth) - and the way one works on goals with it is to hold the goal in mind but release all the BS that comes up when you think about it - all the wanting, the unfairness - etc. through the stage of emotions.

    Hale, the figurehead of that method is in the movie the secret through only very briefly.. they conveniently did not include all the stuff i know he said about releasing wanting / desire cause it sounds like work and not the magical thinking

    Their premise is 'want = lack' - you can either want something or have it but you cannot have both. This can be a flip in the brain because "how can I stop wanting it UNTIL i have it" but this is the whole game.
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  • Profile picture of the author corycrabb
    The LOA is what it is and it all depends on your perspective... Because if you don't believe then you don't have a chance to use its power.. If you believe then you can use it to your advantage.. Some believe and some don't .. Some thinks the idea sucks lol.. I think its the energy that we attract that makes the secret real.

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  • Profile picture of the author jmbare
    Originally Posted by prophetmktg View Post

    I'm probably going to cause a lot of controversy with this post, but that's okay...

    I'm open to some healthy debate.

    For the longest time I really believed in The Secret (I'm sure you've seen the movie or read this book)...

    But, now after learning more and more about "Eastern" philosophies, my *current* belief is that excessive desire actually makes it HARDER for me to accomplish my goals...

    I've been getting into The Sedona Method (especially the course "Effortless Creation") recently and this is something that comes up a lot...

    Hale Dwoskin, the creator of the Method, often says, "Would you rather want to be wealthy, or have wealth?" In essence the wanting wealth (desire) actually is a form of resisting attracting wealth...

    This isn't to say that having a goal is not important. Here's what I mean...

    I do think it's important to have a clear goal in mind. But that's only the first step of the process...

    The next step is to release your desire of actually getting that goal. I know this may sound weird; I thought so too...

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that wanting a goal more is most likely hurting your more than helping. I'm completely open to hearing what everyone here thinks!!
    This topic can go hand in hand. You just can't "wish" wealth and opportunity on yourself. You must work hard and have the mindset to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author NoviIM
    The problem with "The Secret" is that it teaches you to practice active imagination and a belief that you will become rich without any sort of mention that you actually have to take action and do work.

    It is great to have a goal and really believe in something, but without taking action and really trying to attain wealth, thinking about it just won't cut it in my opinion

    Things just don't fall from the sky if you wish upon them

    Thanks for your post!

    Yury


    Originally Posted by prophetmktg View Post

    I'm probably going to cause a lot of controversy with this post, but that's okay...

    I'm open to some healthy debate.

    For the longest time I really believed in The Secret (I'm sure you've seen the movie or read this book)...

    But, now after learning more and more about "Eastern" philosophies, my *current* belief is that excessive desire actually makes it HARDER for me to accomplish my goals...

    I've been getting into The Sedona Method (especially the course "Effortless Creation") recently and this is something that comes up a lot...

    Hale Dwoskin, the creator of the Method, often says, "Would you rather want to be wealthy, or have wealth?" In essence the wanting wealth (desire) actually is a form of resisting attracting wealth...

    This isn't to say that having a goal is not important. Here's what I mean...

    I do think it's important to have a clear goal in mind. But that's only the first step of the process...

    The next step is to release your desire of actually getting that goal. I know this may sound weird; I thought so too...

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that wanting a goal more is most likely hurting your more than helping. I'm completely open to hearing what everyone here thinks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author linxye
    positive thoughts (high intensity) must be put into action persistently, day after day until you reach the final goal. Otherwise, our desire can be realized. This will remain a dream ...
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  • Profile picture of the author KabirC
    You still have to take some sort of action, you can't just sit on your ass doing nothing hoping for whatever it is to come to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    Do a YouTube search for Dave Chappelle and the Secret. Funny stuff.
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