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15 years ago

I see it both ways easily - last time I saw this one it going anti-clockwise first, this time it was clockwise. Close my eyes for a second, reopen and it changes....

Evidently I've got an ambidextrous brain. :p

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Killer Joe

15 years ago

That's spooky, Tom. And you're right, I did get it to spin in the opposite direction.

Now how do I get it to go back the other way. This is driving me crazy...

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

That's spooky, Tom. And you're right, I did get it to spin in the opposite direction.

Now how do I get it to go back the other way. This is driving me crazy...

KJ

Oh no, Joe! You've broken your brain.

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Killer Joe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by tomw

Oh no, Joe! You've broken your brain.

Thomas

I hate it when that happens...:p

On a serious note, it would be interesting to see how many successful IMers are RT brained vs LT brained. My guess is a RT brained individule will have an easier time implimenting any given strategy and running with it.

No felt need to over analyze or dissect every little aspect and get stuck by fear or insecurities.

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Jacqueline Watson 15 years ago

Thomas, you are a man after
my own heart...I love this kind
of stuff.

When I first looked at it she
was spinning clockwise, then
mid way I swear she began
spinning counter-clockwise.

If we can learn to focus our
minds...there is NO limit to
what we can do...

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BSM

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

I hate it when that happens...:p

On a serious note, it would be interesting to see how many successful IMers are RT brained vs LT brained. My guess is a RT brained individule will have an easier time implimenting any given strategy and running with it.

KJ

I would like to go back to this thought about who might be more successful as an IMer...I'm thinking that RT brained individuals might come up with new concepts & services, while the LT brained folks would be the better implementers. Being RT brained myself, I'm always excited by the big picture, but struggle with making the nitty gritty happen. Any comments?

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BSM

15 years ago

Forgot to sign my name...still am a "newbie"

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi Paul,

That the benefit of the second would be different for you is a matter of perspective

Well, I can't argue with that. Damn. Next...

Seriously, I believe we're talking about "alikeness" from different angles. I mean something very much at the root of what we all want and need. The surface stuff is, lergely, a matter of how we choose to go about getting it.

I see - very true. But I'm still not sure that the major benefit for me is that it makes me like people more. Perhaps it helps me to dislike them less.

No, seriously, if we consider what this is -

what we all want and need

...then I think that as I become a little wiser, I realised that I was previously a mindless drone, endlessly seeking those things/that thing ('it') in a way that probably ensured that I wouldn't get 'it'. Actually stopping to consider these things, was a breakthrough moment for me

.

And the next breakthrough was realising that once I got 'it' from myself, before seeking 'it' from others, and steered a path through life that was designed to further that aim, I would become more self-sufficient, less likely to be derailed by others and interestingly, more able to get 'it' from others as well.

Sidenote - I don't want to be a wombat, but I presume 'lergely' is a rare Myers typo of 'largely'? I only ask because (

) I occasionally right click to dictionary.com when reading your writing - although more often via a pdf, than from the forum.

When we see how people go after what they want, we can more easily see where their approaches will conflict with our own

Or as it applies to dating, understanding which way the lady spins

Hi AuctionExec,

My wife and I did this test too. At first, we both saw the picture go clockwise.

Within seconds, she noticed it go anticlockwise. I, on the other hand, did not see any change in direction for at least over a minute.

It's worth noting that females always pay a different kind of attention to other females. Particularly when their nipples are visible, and their husband is looking.

Hi Mike,

Great point. But for those who don't end up partnering with others, simply use your theory and pay particular attention to friends who have a different perspective, and ask them leading questions designed to get them to spill their opinion on the subject at hand, and treat their feedback like the 'holy grail' - (don't let the ni-sayers get in your way

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Mike Long 15 years ago

Originally Posted by BSM

I'm thinking that RT brained individuals might come up with new concepts & services, while the LT brained folks would be the better implementers. Any comments?

Barbara,

This has been my problem for years.

I have too many ideas, too many blueprints. I never stop coming up with new concepts, new approaches, and new angles. I'm a dreamer, a big picture guy. I can create an entire 5-year plan in my mind in a matter of minutes.

Implementation on the other hand..... :rolleyes:

The one time in my life that I managed to completely put together one of my plans, it earned a healthy 6-figures over it's 17 month run, so I know that some of my ideas are bound to be sound and not just some pie in the sky fantasy.

It's funny what comes into your life when you begin to accept yourself for who you are instead of constantly battling to try and be someone you're not....

Right about the time I realized that it might be beneficial for me to team up with a more logical, left-brained, implementer type, an old friend whom I hadn't heard from in quite some time contacted me.

Our strengths complement each other perfectly, so I'm very hopeful that we will be able to work together on a project and ultimately create a better product together then either of us could separately.

If you find yourself to be extremely dominant one way or the other, considering partnering with someone you can trust whose skills are the complete opposite of yours. It ultimately benefits both you and your customers, since you ultimately provide them with better service and a better product in the end.

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raynman

15 years ago

I have never seen the girl spinning anti-clockwise.

I'm hopeless. Either that or the emperor has no clothes and she is always spinning clockwise.

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Ross Dalangin

15 years ago

Actually with this image I use my right brain. And to check it with my left brain, I need to relax and lay down thinking that the girl was on the top of the glass and spinning. Anyone got my point?

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Chris Monty

15 years ago

Clockwise. Hit the nail right on the head too. Fascinating.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Very clever Tom.

I reloaded the thread multiple times because the first time the picture
was definitely moving the left leg from left to right.

Upon subsequent reloads, I noticed that on a few, the picture actually
changed rotations in the middle, going from right to left and then left to right.

So in actuality, this picture does both.

It's not an optical illusion and it isn't either a matter of perception. The
figure actually does change rotations.

To see it clearly, keep your eye planted not on the leg that's turning but
on the foot that is planted on the floor.

I think if we could examine the code for this, we will see that it does in
fact change rotation.

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Barbara Eyre 15 years ago

I have equal amount of characteristics for both brain sides, based on those lists. Yet, for now, I only see her spinning clockwise, hence right brained.

I tried seeing what Steven was - looking at the "planted" foot for the rotation change, but didn't notice it.

Then again, my mind is more on packing to move than getting dizzy watching a girl twirl! hehehe

Bookmarking this thread for later viewing ....
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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Very clever Tom.

I reloaded the thread multiple times because the first time the picture
was definitely moving the left leg from left to right.

Upon subsequent reloads, I noticed that on a few, the picture actually
changed rotations in the middle, going from right to left and then left to right.

So in actuality, this picture does both.

It's not an optical illusion and it isn't either a matter of perception. The
figure actually does change rotations.

To see it clearly, keep your eye planted not on the leg that's turning but
on the foot that is planted on the floor.

I think if we could examine the code for this, we will see that it does in
fact change rotation.

LOL! Why does your response not surprise me! Think about what it implies...

Thomas

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by tomw

LOL! Why does your response not surprise me! Think about what it implies...

Thomas

It implies that I'm an analytical person who also sees the big picture.

But I'd still love to get a look at that code.

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tomw 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

It implies that I'm an analytical person who also sees the big picture.

But I'd still love to get a look at that code.

It isn't a trick. It's just an animated gif. Drag and drop to your desktop and analyse away.

Google something like "left right brain spinning girl" and you'll find a lot of info, including some of the function characteristics I pasted in the thread.

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Ross Dalangin 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

It implies that I'm an analytical person who also sees the big picture.

But I'd still love to get a look at that code.

It has 34 images on clockwise that changes every 0.03 seconds Steven.
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R Hagel

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

It implies that I'm an analytical person who also sees the big picture.

But I'd still love to get a look at that code.

Hey Steven,

Do you have PhotoShop or similar? If so, save the .gif file and open it in Image Ready (or similar). Then you can look at the picture frame by frame.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

Hey Steven,

Do you have PhotoShop or similar? If so, save the .gif file and open it in Image Ready (or similar). Then you can look at the picture frame by frame.

Cheers,
Becky

Becky, I opened it up in Photoshop and opened the animation screen but
I have no idea how to view this frame by frame. It is only showing one frame
in the animation window.

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Killer Joe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Very clever Tom.

I reloaded the thread multiple times because the first time the picture
was definitely moving the left leg from left to right.

Upon subsequent reloads, I noticed that on a few, the picture actually
changed rotations in the middle, going from right to left and then left to right.

So in actuality, this picture does both.

It's not an optical illusion and it isn't either a matter of perception. The
figure actually does change rotations.

To see it clearly, keep your eye planted not on the leg that's turning but
on the foot that is planted on the floor.

I think if we could examine the code for this, we will see that it does in
fact change rotation.

WEEDOGGY!

Can't wait till Les sees this post...

KJ

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LoreCee 15 years ago

I've tried and tried to see the counterclockwise and just can't do it. I guess that proves I'm hopelessly right-brained--which reflects my approach in real life. I'm a synthesizer, not a dissecter.
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DynamicMentalFitness

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Very clever Tom.

I reloaded the thread multiple times because the first time the picture
was definitely moving the left leg from left to right.
Upon subsequent reloads, I noticed that on a few, the picture actually
changed rotations in the middle, going from right to left and then left to right.
So in actuality, this picture does both.
It's not an optical illusion and it isn't either a matter of perception. The
figure actually does change rotations.
To see it clearly, keep your eye planted not on the leg that's turning but
on the foot that is planted on the floor.
I think if we could examine the code for this, we will see that it does in
fact change rotation.

Good take and analysis, Steve.

I saw the same thing you saw right out the box because as a rational human being I know that my subjective visual insistencies do not determine the actual nature of an object.

Certainly, I understand the spirit and fuzzy intent, but Rationality and Reason is superior to merely buying into assumption for sentimentality's sake.

The graphic has absolutely NOTHING to do with - nor is one's interpretation of the graphic a predictor of - one's decision-making habits or tendencies.

I know it buggers some otherwise cuddly folk, but humanity isn't led out of the cave into the bright and shiny world - past the frightening, inhibiting shadows of superstition and delusion - by mentalities that accept every facade presented them as gospel.

No, humanity is ushered into the brightness (and out of the dark ages) by minds that question and test and demand verification - minds that prod and poke and irritate the comfort of precedent - minds like your own.

Give 'em hell, my friend.

Good job.

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by DynamicMentalFitness

Good take and analysis, Steve.

I saw the same thing you saw right out the box because as a rational human being I know that my subjective visual insistencies do not determine the actual nature of an object.

Certainly, I understand the spirit and fuzzy intent, but Rationality and Reason is superior to merely buying into assumption for sentimentality's sake.

The graphic has absolutely NOTHING to do with - nor is one's interpretation of the graphic a predictor of - one's decision-making habits or tendencies.

I know it buggers some otherwise cuddly folk, but humanity isn't led out of the cave into the bright and shiny world - past the frightening, inhibiting shadows of superstition and delusion - by mentalities that accept every facade presented them as gospel.

No, humanity is ushered into the brightness (and out of the dark ages) by minds that question and test and demand verification - minds that prod and poke and irritate the comfort of precedent - minds like your own.

Give 'em hell, my friend.

Good job.

...like I said, some people's responses have been interesting...

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Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Very clever Tom.

I reloaded the thread multiple times because the first time the picture
was definitely moving the left leg from left to right.

Upon subsequent reloads, I noticed that on a few, the picture actually
changed rotations in the middle, going from right to left and then left to right.

So in actuality, this picture does both.

It's not an optical illusion and it isn't either a matter of perception. The
figure actually does change rotations.

To see it clearly, keep your eye planted not on the leg that's turning but
on the foot that is planted on the floor.

I think if we could examine the code for this, we will see that it does in
fact change rotation.

Nope. It's an optical illusion. Unless there's a computer that is wired up to my brain. I can make it spin any direction I want at any time I want. The part where the leg changes is your brain perceiving it to spin the other way.

That or it actually does change as well as being an optical illusion.

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OnlineWriter

15 years ago

All I see are nipples spinning in a clockwise direction....

I've been staring at that for some time. It ALWAYS goes clockwise....oh, nm...sneaky.

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Eric Stanley

15 years ago

I saw her spinning clockwise at first glance and on subsequent loads. I am certainly a "right" brainer, no doubt about it.

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GrantFreeman

15 years ago

I look to her left, she turns to the right.
I look to her right, and she turns left.

When I look in the middle, my IQ drops and screws up both sides.

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tomw 15 years ago

Originally Posted by GrantFreeman

I look to her left, she turns to the right.
I look to her right, and she turns left.

Grant

Are you Voguing? For real?

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul M

I think the following blog explains this animation well.

NeuroLogica Blog Left Brain - Right brain and the Spinning Girl

Thomas,

Nice thread.....had me puzzled for a while

-paul

We have a winner!

We make our own reality and react accordingly, based upon how we perceive the world around us!

Way to go, Paul.

Anyone done the Gorilla test..?

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Killer Joe 15 years ago

Love that gorilla one. Showed it to my wife and watched her reaction the second time she watched it. Priceless.

I just did the man in the coffee beans one from the article. And it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt I have too much time on my hands

What happened to A-1s' post? Hmmm...

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Peter Bestel

15 years ago

There is no gorilla - he simply wasn't there.

Mr Wagenheim, I can't advise you how to view the animation frame by frame but I can assure you that it is an optical illusion - no coding trickery that makes her spin one way and then the other, it's simply how you choose to be viewing the world at that precise moment.

This isn't just a fun trick, it's a really useful brain exercise. Learn to use both sides of your brain and you have the opportunity to realise more potential, communicate more efficiently and, dare I say it, possibly make more money.

Your choice.

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ExRat 15 years ago

Hi TomW,

a) although I've looked into this before, it's still a really useful post.

b) it's also quite amusing reading some of the responses

c) what does it mean when I can make it spin vertically either way, or stop it from spinning completely?
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  Hi Roger,
  
  a) although I've looked into this before, it's still a really useful post.
  
  Thanks! I was really interested in seeing what you referred to in point "b." It was inspired by a PM conversation I had with the lovely Sean [The IM Reporter]. Despite the initial bunkum there is a real truth behind it as I posted in response to Paul.
  
  b) it's also quite amusing reading some of the responses
  
  You can say that again! One in particular...LOL!
  
  c) what does it mean when I can make it spin vertically either way, or stop it from spinning completely?
  
  erm..you're either here to lead us all into the promised land of the Exrat Empire or you just probably need to spend less time in the surf...you lucky b......!
  
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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Peter Bestel

There is no gorilla - he simply wasn't there.

Mr Wagenheim, I can't advise you how to view the animation frame by frame but I can assure you that it is an optical illusion - no coding trickery that makes her spin one way and then the other, it's simply how you choose to be viewing the world at that precise moment.

This isn't just a fun trick, it's a really useful brain exercise. Learn to use both sides of your brain and you have the opportunity to realise more potential, communicate more efficiently and, dare I say it, possibly make more money.

Your choice.

Peter

Peter, I'm definitely seeing it turn both ways.

Is this good or bad?

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Peter Bestel

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Peter, I'm definitely seeing it turn both ways.

Is this good or bad?

Well, if you're achieving this without standing on your head, then we might be getting somewhere. It is good!

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Peter Bestel

15 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Hey Peter, welcome back - haven't seen you around in a while?

Simply self-imposed Twitter exile and a bit bored of people, I've found with Twitter you can be a little more selective. Getting over myself now though.

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

I'm left-handed by the way...

Ahh, that's nice! :confused:

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Frank Donovan

15 years ago

AAGH! I'm going crazy!

I keep seeing the opening credits of "Tales Of The Unexpected"

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

AAGH! I'm going crazy!

I keep seeing the opening credits of "Tales Of The Unexpected"

Frank

LOL! Classic! I knew it was something. I was thinking of Charlies Angels and then Jaqueline Smith...they just don't make 'em like that anymore...I'd give anything to have been in my twenties living in California in the seventies!

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by tomw

LOL! Classic! I knew it was something. I was thinking of Charlies Angels and then Jaqueline Smith...they just don't make 'em like that anymore...I'd give anything to have been in my twenties living in California in the seventies!

Thomas

My husband graduated from High School in 1973 in Los Angeles and lived there until he moved here in 2003. So he WAS in his twenties living in California in the seventies.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

My husband graduated from High School in 1973 in Los Angeles and lived there until he moved here in 2003. So he WAS in his twenties living in California in the seventies.

I don't know whether to thank you for that comment or cry into my Bruichladdich!

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15 years ago

Hi,

RE - the gorilla. I followed the instructions for that video and was impressed/a little shocked when I watched it the second time.

I would guess that it's because your eyes are drawn down lower (the white team bounce it lower at the right point) and you are consciously ignoring the dark team's legs in order to focus on the white team.

Interesting stuff.

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi,

RE - the gorilla. I followed the instructions for that video and was impressed/a little shocked when I watched it the second time.

I would guess that it's because your eyes are drawn down lower (the white team bounce it lower at the right point) and you are consciously ignoring the dark team's legs in order to focus on the white team.

Interesting stuff.

Believe it or not, I saw the "gorilla" the first time I watched it, but nobody believes me when I tell them so.

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Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by tomw

Believe it or not, I saw the "gorilla" the first time I watched it, but nobody believes me when I tell them so.

Thomas

Are you talking about the basketball video Thomas? If so than how can anyone miss the gorilla. I saw it the first time as well.

If something else then post the link. I always liked this type of stuff.

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Are you talking about the basketball video Thomas? If so than how can anyone miss the gorilla. I saw it the first time as well.

If something else then post the link. I always liked this type of stuff.

Yeah...that's the one. Great minds...or is it great names, eh Thomas?

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Originally Posted by tomw

Yeah...that's the one. Great minds...or is it great names, eh Thomas?

Thomas

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  I asked my wife to do the gorilla test and she missed it the first time. lol
  
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DBofBES 15 years ago

Clockwise . . . I put it on my desktop to watch and it moves slower yet still clockwise.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Okay, my wife just came home and we conducted a test.

Take what you want out of it.

I told her to look at the picture turning. I asked her what direction she saw
it turning in. I saw it left to right. She said the same thing.

I then said to her, okay, when you see the picture change direction to right
to left, yell "now". I'll do the same.

Each time the picture changed direction we both yelled now at the same
time.

The picture is changing the way it is bouncing, rotating or whatever you
want to call it. We did this for 5 minutes, each time successfully telling
when the picture changed direction.

Either are brains are connected or there is some actual random programming
to this photo.

Like I said, take what you want out of it.

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Francis Ochoco

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Okay, my wife just came home and we conducted a test.

Take what you want out of it.

I told her to look at the picture turning. I asked her what direction she saw
it turning in. I saw it left to right. She said the same thing.

I then said to her, okay, when you see the picture change direction to right
to left, yell "now". I'll do the same.

Each time the picture changed direction we both yelled now at the same
time.

The picture is changing the way it is bouncing, rotating or whatever you
want to call it. We did this for 5 minutes, each time successfully telling
when the picture changed direction.

Either are brains are connected or there is some actual random programming
to this photo.

Like I said, take what you want out of it.

My wife and I did this test too. At first, we both saw the picture go clockwise.

Within seconds, she noticed it go anticlockwise. I, on the other hand, did not see any change in direction for at least over a minute.

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carmene 15 years ago

Tomw,

You've ruined my perfectly good day because now I can only see it going clockwise and I'm totally bothered!!
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bobsstuff 15 years ago

That is amazing. I glanced at the post and looked at the girl and she was going clockwise. Then I went back and actually read what you had to say about her and why she was posted and this time she was spinning counterclockwise.

Now I need to read the whole tread and see other's replies.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by tomw

I'd give anything to have been in my twenties living in California in the seventies!

Thomas

I had that exact same thought once in my life. So I moved from the East Coast to the beach outside of LA when I was 24. It was awsome back then.

By the time I left there 29 years later I was so glad to get out of there I left skid marks. Granted, I had changed considerably, but so had the scene.

I'm sorry you missed the opportunity. You would have kicked ass there back then.

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

I had that exact same thought once in my life. So I moved from the East Coast to the beach outside of LA when I was 24. It was awsome back then.

By the time I left there 29 years later I was so glad to get out of there I left skid marks. Granted, I had changed considerably, but so had the scene.

I'm sorry you missed the opportunity. You would have kicked ass there back then.

KJ

Thanks, Joe.

However, I refer you to my answer to Angela.

Thomas

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Steven,

I'm definitely seeing it turn both ways.

Is this good or bad?

Neither. Your response, though, does indicate something.

You're wrong about the change of direction, by the way. It's happening in your head, not in the graphic.

Making the switch is easy. Just close your eyes and change your state from right to left brain mode.

Thanks, Tom. I love this stuff.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Steven,Neither. Your response, though, does indicate something.

You're wrong about the change of direction, by the way. It's happening in your head, not in the graphic.

Making the switch is easy. Just close your eyes and change your state from right to left brain mode.

Thanks, Tom. I love this stuff.

Paul

Good heavens, the thing is going back and forth now from right to left
and then left to right.

This must absolutely mean I'm insane.

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Steven,

This must absolutely mean I'm insane.

No, but it doesn't prove you're not.

You've probably either hit a balance (gone neutral) or you're unconsciously shifting your eyes in ways that create the illusion.

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Angela V. Edwards

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Steven,No, but it doesn't prove you're not.

You've probably either hit a balance (gone neutral) or you're unconsciously shifting your eyes in ways that create the illusion.

Paul

It doesn't matter how I shift my eyes or if I look at it out of the corner of my eye, I can't make that thing go counter-clockwise.

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Peter Bestel

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards

It doesn't matter how I shift my eyes or if I look at it out of the corner of my eye, I can't make that thing go counter-clockwise.

Angela, if you can be bothered, take a piece of paper and cover up the picture but show only the shadow. Slowly lift the paper up the screen. This may allow you eyes to be tricked to seeing it move in the opposite direction.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

I'm curious about something.

The picture IS moving, right? That part isn't an illusion.

Which means it has to be going in some kind of direction, right?

Well there's only two directions that I know of, right and left.

So which one is it?

This kind of stuff drives me crazy.

Honestly, I really don't get how it can't be moving in some direction.

Is there some kind of scientific piece somewhere that explains this?

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Frank Donovan

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

The picture IS moving, right? That part isn't an illusion.

Which means it has to be going in some kind of direction, right?

Well there's only two directions that I know of, right and left.

Steven, you've just answered your own question. Right and left isn't the same as clockwise and counter clockwise.

Think about it.

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Peter Bestel

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I'm curious about something.

The picture IS moving, right? That part isn't an illusion.

Which means it has to be going in some kind of direction, right?

Well there's only two directions that I know of, right and left.

So which one is it?

This kind of stuff drives me crazy.

Honestly, I really don't get how it can't be moving in some direction.

Is there some kind of scientific piece somewhere that explains this?

All animation is an illusion Steven. Tom and Jerry is just a series of stills played close enough to trick the eye in believing it's moving

The animated gif will occasionally stutter, it's not changing 'direction' it's merely faltering in its rendering. The reason both you and your wife saw it change direction at the same time was simply that your eyes were given the chance to perceive it changing because of the stutter.

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi,

For the gorilla video, I presume the best approach is to tell someone to watch it and count the white team passes. If anything, allow them to formulate the idea that the trick is something to do with catching them out regarding how many passes are made.

If there is no mention of gorillas, or no hint that they should be focussing elsewhere, then I guess it increases the likelihood of the illusion working.

Either are brains are connected or there is some actual random programming to this photo.[snip]The picture is changing the way it is bouncing, rotating or whatever you want to call it

You crack me up Steven.

Hi Thomas B,

I asked my wife to do the gorilla test and she missed it the first time. lol

I asked my gorilla to to do the test and he said, "Where are the people and the basketball?"

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Hamida Harland

15 years ago

Very cool - for me she's always turning clockwise. Except when I focus on the shadow only, then she turns anticlockwise.

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Steven,

Dude, you're SOoooo determined to make this something sinister and sneaky. More drama? Or just a desperate focus on appearances being simple and dependable?

I'll assume you've seen the picture that, from one perspective, looks like a beautiful young woman at a dressing table, and, from another, looks like an ugly old woman in a scarf. This is somewhat similar in effect, although not precisely.

Perspective depends on a lot of things. Most perspective is subjective, and that causes some people a big problem. They want appearances, as they perceive them, to be constant and unchanging.

Stuff like this will mess with a lot of folks, because they don't want to believe their eyes will play tricks on them, much less their minds, which are what does it for these types of demonstrations.

Your brain constantly interprets things, filling in gaps, assigning meaning and "fact" based on recognition skills, momentary laterality (which side of the brain you're using as primary right now), lighting, and a ton of other factors.

Understanding that, as it plays out in day to day life, is what creates "the wisdom of age." It's not about experience, it's about understanding the role of experience in how we interpret things, and knowing just how often those interpretations can be completely wrong.

I spoke with a woman earlier today who "gets" this at 30, and has for a long time. I've spoken with plenty of people in their 70's and 80's who still don't get it. (We in the trade call those people "old fools.")

Instead of looking for a conspiracy, take this as a lesson in the mutability of perception. That's not only more accurate, it's more productive.

Understanding just how much of our daily experience is a matter of how we choose to look at things is a liberating lesson.

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Perspective depends on a lot of things. Most perspective is subjective, and that causes some people a big problem. They want appearances, as they perceive them, to be constant and unchanging.

Understanding that, as it plays out in day to day life, is what creates "the wisdom of age." It's not about experience, it's about understanding the role of experience in how we interpret things, and knowing just how often those interpretations can be completely wrong.

Instead of looking for a conspiracy, take this as a lesson in the mutability of perception. That's not only more accurate, it's more productive.

Understanding just how much of our daily experience is a matter of how we choose to look at things is a liberating lesson.

Paul

Paul you have brilliantly summed up the whole point of this thread.

I would also really love to hear Paul Hancox take on this too...

Thomas

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ExRat 15 years ago

Hi TomW,

PG tips of course.

Hi Paul (also Seye post #69),

My personal perspective is that peoples' reactions and conclusions are the most interesting test results from this. And the reason I feel that these things are valuable is that I think it's beneficial for anyone (particularly those in business) to consider increasing their ability, and inclination to -

a) ask questions of themselves about the things that they see around them that make them go 'hmmm'

b) quickly arrive at logical decisions about how something 'works' and lessen the time it takes to reach a final conclusion

c) apply the lessons that they learn from these processes to other areas of life to see if new lessons are learnt

Put another way, it's wise to develop a habit of 'looking behind the curtain' and double-checking oneself for faulty assumptions.

For example - consider how much time each of us might spend reading/learning/absorbing information, and bear in mind that a small increase in one's ability to recognise and discount a large proportion of what is put 'in front' of us, is going to allow us to get to the meat a lot quicker - hence the gains from the time and effort spent on these things, is going to increase exponentially.

{added clarification - this was in response to Paul's post, as a follow on, but it's worth mentioning that it was from reading his views in the first place that I became more interested in the above approach. I hope that that's clearer.}
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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Thomas,

Paul you have brilliantly summed up the whole point of this thread.

Tankeweverrymutch! For my next trick, watch me pull a rabbit out of... HEY! What's a rabbit doing in my hat?

I would also really love to hear Paul Hancox take on this too...

That would indeed be interesting.

Paul

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

What's a rabbit doing in my hat?

Paul

I think it escaped from Roger's tea party...it probably prefers a sly sip of fine malt to Darjeeling...

Thomas

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Thomas,

I think it escaped from Roger's tea party...it probably prefers a sly sip of fine malt to Darjeeling...

Glenlivet to Glengettie? Laphroaig to Lipton? Edradour to Earl Grey? Blue to Bigelow? Or, stepping down a notch... Original Grouse to orange pekoe? Chivas to chai?

Good rabbit. We'll have the grouse for lunch instead.

Paul

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tomw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Thomas,Glenlivet to Glengettie? Laphroaig to Lipton? Edradour to Earl Grey? Blue to Bigelow? Or, stepping down a notch... Original Grouse to orange pekoe? Chivas to chai?

Good rabbit. We'll have the grouse for lunch instead.

Paul

Or Bruichladdich to Big Red Robe Oolong, which is exactly what I have just done...probably anathema, but it helps me sleep better.

It's getting late here!

Thomas

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Frank Donovan 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Understanding just how much of our daily experience is a matter of how we choose to look at things is a liberating lesson.

Ooh. I'm saving that one

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Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Thomas B,

I asked my gorilla to to do the test and he said, "Where are the people and the basketball?"

Rog, what kind of house are you living in?

I may send my wife over. hehe
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  Rog, what kind of house are you living in?
  
  I may send my wife over. hehe
  
  "Welcome to the monkey house Mrs. Belknap. Would you like a cup of tea? We're having a party...when I grow up I want to be a monkey God."
  
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Louis Raven

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I'm curious about something.

The picture IS moving, right? That part isn't an illusion.

Which means it has to be going in some kind of direction, right?

Well there's only two directions that I know of, right and left.

So which one is it?

This kind of stuff drives me crazy.

Honestly, I really don't get how it can't be moving in some direction.

Is there some kind of scientific piece somewhere that explains this?

Steven,

She is neither moving counter clockwise or clockwise.

Pixels are moving from left to right, up and down.

No spinning what so ever just going to one side to another

Louis

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GrantFreeman 15 years ago

Steve,

Technically, the picture doesn't move at all. The black pixels just change places with the white ones.

It also might help to realize that you're not really 'looking' with your eyes. In fact, you're "looking" with the sum of what your right hemisphere and left hemisphere come up with.

In other words, it's your mind that actually "sees" things. In this case, the pixels change, while your left brain tries to direct what it sees , and gives this information to the right brain and back to your visual cortex (where all this information came from)

If the left brain wasn't involved in directing this process, the image would not look like it's turning at all.

Confused yet?

TomW,

like in Madonna Vogue? Na. I can't. My left brain won't allow it!

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tomw 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Good heavens, the thing is going back and forth now from right to left
and then left to right.

This must absolutely mean I'm insane.

Well, I tried to warn ya...

Thomas
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Martin Luxton 15 years ago

I could only see it going clockwise no matter how hard I tried to make it change direction.

In the end I had to cheat. I pasted it into a Word Doc and used the "Rotate View" tool to turn it 180 degrees.

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rperales 15 years ago

Personally...

..that is very entertaining..I used to work on myself as part of
my personal development on a ceiling fan in my house and made
myself see the fan stand almost still while turing..

However,

The left brain is about language..meaning like, writing whatever..

The right brain is about graphics stuff..Using my right brain is when
I designed my systems..even thoug my systems are very simple, they
have never been able to be copied..

The switch from left to right or the other way occurs about every hour
and a half pretty close..

To determine which side we are using is very simple, by noticing when
we breath which nostril breath in more easily..

When ever we have writers block, it's probably we are in the right side..
That does not mean that we can't continue to write it's just more freely
when in left brian..

If you care to switch just block the nostril that is breathing more freely
until it switches..I'm not sure if it works for everybody though..

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Angela V. Edwards

15 years ago

My mother CLAIMS that since she is left handed, she is the only one in her right mind. I will have to let her know that I saw your animation spinning clockwise and that's the ONLY way it shows for me.

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Banned 15 years ago

When i stare directly at it, it spins clock wise

When i was reading what you said out of the corner of my eye it was spinning counter clock wise

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Debbie Allen

15 years ago

I love this kind of stuff --- I saw her spinning clockwise for quite awhile before there was a switch.

So is there a way to use this as a tool in order to help us with our marketing tactics and work?

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15 years ago

Absolutely amazing. What a great reminder that we really do create our own reality.

I had two of my sons come in. Between the 3 of us, we got 3 completely different "results".

The fun part was explaining to them that none of was "right" or "wrong". We simply filled in the blanks and came to our own conclusion.

We all do that in many areas of our lives, don't we?

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anomaly

15 years ago

crazy!!

at first she was anti-clockwise ...

then i scrolled back up to your words and could only see half of her and she started going clockwise ....

and now everytime i look she is going clockwise ...

insane!!

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seye

15 years ago

which type of brain test is this

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Peter Bestel 15 years ago

Originally Posted by seye

which type of brain test is this

The one between most people's ears
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Louis Raven

15 years ago

How cool is that

One question.. what does it mean when it flips vertical?

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Originally Posted by Louis Raven

How cool is that

One question.. what does it mean when it flips vertical?

Louis

Brain Aneurysm.
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OmarNegron

15 years ago

The brain work weird and is very mysterious....

Thanks so much for that!

Omar!

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carmene

15 years ago

Wow, I'm excited. I can see it going left!!

I squeezed my eyes nearly shut and peeked out a little and then it turned the other way. When opened them, it continued to turn left until I squinted real hard and it turned right again. But I can do see it both ways at will now.

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Sylvia Meier

15 years ago

Tom,
I love this pic. I saw it in the mind warriors forum before and right from the start I could see her going in both directions. It is all about perceptions. Some will see it one way and one way alone, others will see it the opposite way and still others control their own perception and the ways in which they veiw the world and this image.

Great to see all the different minds in here and the way others view and perceive things.

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Roger,

That's one effective lesson to take from it. The time savings alone can be huge, not to mention the expense avoided from bad decisions.

For me, the most useful parts of figuring out that perspective is malleable were learning to adjust my own and to see those of others. It's very hard not to like people when you realize how much we're all alike.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe

Tom,
I love this pic. I saw it in the mind warriors forum before and right from the start I could see her going in both directions. It is all about perceptions. Some will see it one way and one way alone, others will see it the opposite way and still others control their own perception and the ways in which they view the world and this image.

Great to see all the different minds in here and the way others view and perceive things.

Sylvia

Thanks Sylvia. Yes, reading others' views and reactions has been a real treat. It was part of the motivation for posting and ultimately formulated a considerable amount of the "message," by creating real examples!

Great blog post today btw.

Thomas

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Sylvia Meier 15 years ago

Thanks Tom, glad you enjoyed it
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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Interesting.

In the article Eric pointed to, the author suggests that this effect has nothing to do with laterality. Okay, I can buy that. I tried a different approach, and found that you can get the change by shifting focus a bit at the right time.

What's fun, and somewhat interesting, is that doing a lateral shift created the same change for me. Clearly it's not indicative of lateral dominance, but is it affected by it?

Interesting stuff indeed.

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  Roger,
  
  That the benefit of the second would be different for you is a matter of perspective.
  
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15 years ago

Bizarre....

At first I could only see it spinning clockwise. Finally with much effort, if I looked down at the shadow, I could change my perception and see it spinning the other way for only a few seconds, before it randomly started to spin clockwise again.

Continuing to practice, I'm now at the point where I can control which way I see it spinning by looking at the shadow of the shoe, and I'm gaining a bit of control over which way it spins by looking at the whole thing.

If I continue to practice, I think I could develop complete control over which way I see it spinning.

Fascinating....I'm right brained by nature, but apparently easily trainable. Hmmmm.....that's information I should probably keep away from my wife.

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Eric Stanley

15 years ago

Did you guys see the 'find the man in the coffee beans' picture as well?

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=27

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi Paul,

(I added a note to my previous post)

For me, the most useful parts of figuring out that perspective is malleable were learning to adjust my own and to see those of others. It's very hard not to like people when you realize how much we're all alike.

Likewise, for the first sentence. But I must admit the major benefit you mentioned in the second would be different for me. I can see the benefits of that benefit though.

I find that currently it is helping me to have more accurate expectations, and therefore be more comfortable with outcomes - whether they are my own, or of others. And in a way, perhaps rather than helping me to see how alike people are, that was something that I over-estimated previously. Perhaps, I didn't realise how differently I saw things to other people, or why.

Also, by realising how much perceptions are malleable, we can take more personal control of them and be more picky about who we allow to alter them. Time for bed. I'm overstraining my pea-sized head-jelly.

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Bruce NewMedia

15 years ago

WOW!..this is unbelievably cool.

I saw it running counterclockwise at first then when I scrolled down and refocused on it again it went clockwise. Which shocked me. I started to think like Steve Wags and thought it was a timed animated GIF.

Great fun!
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Bruce NewMedia

15 years ago

OK I figured it out now. As another poster suggested just focus on the shadow of the two feet at the bottom. Just look away and look back and it will change direction. I can now do it at will. Over and over again.

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dancom96

15 years ago

Clockwise, that's really cool!

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tomw

15 years ago

We only get so many thanks per day, so I just want to write to thank everyone that took part in this thread. It's been a *real* education and I genuinely have read some really valuable stuff.

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InternetMoneyStream

15 years ago

To relate this to IM, try blinking your eyes while thinking about CPM and conversion rates vs. a CPA network check and imagine how you will spend it.

This works pretty well.

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Lesley Huntley

15 years ago

I had been looking at it for a few minutes seeing it turn nothing but clockwise. My partner walked in and I asked him which way it was spinning for him. He said clockwise. We watched for a few seconds and he said "Woah it just changed! Is it anti-clockwise for you now?" "No," I replied. For him it seemed to flip back and forth seemingly randomly. It was only the fact I was looking at the same picture that he could believe it wasn't doing it by itself.

Yet no matter what I do, I can't get her to spin any other way but clockwise.

I'm very much the girl of a million ideas and strategies (too many, part of my problem), and like a previous poster, not so good at implementing. He quite often takes on my discarded projects and makes them work quite well.

Quite fascinating, now, back to trying to make her spin the other way. I must see this to believe it! He better not have been tricking me!!

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naonline

15 years ago

Awesome thread. 100% clockwise but I think I know how to get some balance!

So which IM tasks are best suited left side and right side?

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi,

Just wondering, but did many people replying here follow this link -

NeuroLogica Blog Left Brain - Right brain and the Spinning Girl

...and read this -

This news article, like many others, ignores the true source of this optical illusion and instead claims it is a quick test to see if you use more of your right brain or left brain. This is utter nonsense, but the "right-brain/left brain" thing is in the public consciousness and won't be going away anytime soon. Sure, we have two hemispheres that operate fine independently and have different abilities, but they are massively interconnected and work together as a seamless whole (providing you have never had surgery to cut your corpus callosum).

We also do have hemispheric dominance, but that determines mostly your handedness and the probability of language being on the right or the left. There is also often asymmetry for memory, with some being right or left hemisphere dominant. But none of this means that your personality or abilities are more right brain or left brain. That much is nonsense.

Further, how your visual cortex constructs this optical illusion says nothing about your hemispheric dominance, and is absolutely not a quick personality profile.

:rolleyes:

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tomw

15 years ago

Hi Roger,

Yes...I knew that the use of the image as a left/right brain test (and many news stories surrounding it) was wholly redundant. I used the widespread tabloid pop psychology angle to draw people in. Like I said in my reply to you, I was really interested in people's responses (and again as previously stated) in order to compound the message about perspectives. Also out of sheer curiosity concerning how people perceive themselves!

When Paul M posted the "truth" I replied,

We make our own reality and react accordingly, based upon how we perceive the world around us!

This was the real message I was trying to get across and Paul Myers encapsulated and expanded it much more eloquently than I ever could when he wrote;

Most perspective is subjective, and that causes some people a big problem. It's about understanding the role of experience in how we interpret things, and knowing just how often those interpretations can be completely wrong. Take this as a lesson in the mutability of perception. Understanding just how much of our daily experience is a matter of how we choose to look at things is a liberating lesson.

For me, the most useful parts of figuring out that perspective is malleable were learning to adjust my own and to see those of others.

Your input was (as always) invaluable too.

In light of a recent kerfuffle I was involved in concerning mindset and self help products, I thought this would be a far better way (or should that be simply a Thomas way?) of showing people that their own subjective perspective really does create their reality.

I thought it a more valuable and much more self-educational exercise to give people their own "aha!" or eureka!" moment rather than telling them that they can have anything that they want if they just ask the universe for it, for example!

Like I wrote in that discussion, nobody can motivate anyone else. We all have to do it for ourselves. I hope this practical example, rather than generalised rhetoric, has been of value in achieving this end.

Thanks to Sean (IM Reporter) for the inspiration.

[Disclaimer: No neurons where harmed during this experiment, although I hope that many millions of them have had to work a little harder...and hereafter will continue to do so.]

Thomas

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mello

15 years ago

Research in neuroscience and neuropyschology is changing what we thought of the brain. If you sufer brain damage young enough your brain can retrain itself to run function in different areas and compensate. Bit of a bummer if you get brain damage later in life though.

While the spinning girl may not be scientifically valid, Tom's intent and purpose was validated. Still, things like this always get us in - maybe the fact she changes direction so much (my perception) reflects how scattered my brain is!!
[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/NATURA%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg[/IMG]
Thanks for the diversion, Tom. :-) [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/NATURA%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpg[/IMG]

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creative producer

15 years ago

I could only see her going counterclockwise, so I guess I'm not as brain flexible as I thought I was. That was bit of a let down. This did remind me to put back the 2nd cupcake, though, so thanks for that! -CP

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Christie Love

15 years ago

Cool. I only see the girl moving clockwise.

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi dynamicmentalfitness,

Good take and analysis, Steve.

I saw the same thing you saw right out the box because as a rational human being I know that my subjective visual insistencies do not determine the actual nature of an object.

Certainly, I understand the spirit and fuzzy intent, but Rationality and Reason is superior to merely buying into assumption for sentimentality's sake.

The graphic has absolutely NOTHING to do with - nor is one's interpretation of the graphic a predictor of - one's decision-making habits or tendencies.

I know it buggers some otherwise cuddly folk, but humanity isn't led out of the cave into the bright and shiny world - past the frightening, inhibiting shadows of superstition and delusion - by mentalities that accept every facade presented them as gospel.

No, humanity is ushered into the brightness (and out of the dark ages) by minds that question and test and demand verification - minds that prod and poke and irritate the comfort of precedent - minds like your own.

Give 'em hell, my friend.

Interesting, but I disagree. It seems you have missed something.

humanity isn't led out of the cave into the bright and shiny world - past the frightening, inhibiting shadows of superstition and delusion - by mentalities that accept every facade presented them as gospel.

If Steven had maintained an open mind, once he found himself unwilling to accept the illusion, fine. But he actually jumped to an incorrect conclusion which was -

It's not an optical illusion and it isn't either a matter of perception. The figure actually does change rotations.

Therefore he was completely incorrect. And many of us (who bothered to read the thread, and therefore the accompanying text which explained that it was nonsense to draw conclusions about being left sided or right sided) proved quite adequately that we do not accept 'every facade presented as gospel.'

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GrantFreeman 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Christie Love

Cool. I only see the girl moving clockwise.

That just means you're weird.

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Lucio

15 years ago

There's a magic land that exists in parallel with our world. People there dwell for a cause and their lives are so fulfilling. I am thinking that having a good time rocks the craddle.

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Cynergy Diva

15 years ago

Well, I couldn't get her to change direction, but she did jump. . .what does that mean?

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Vincelog

15 years ago

I can't picture it to spin left. Any help?

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Jonathan 2.0 Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Vincelog

I can't picture it to spin left. Any help?

Vincent
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You have to concentrate on which direction you want it to go when the image has it's side to you and focus on the outstretched leg rotating in the opposite direction.
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rbest

15 years ago

This is awesome. I can't seem to comprehend her turning though. Good graphic. Ooops, now I see it. Want to dance or play mind games? Now I see it the other way and it makes me wonder if I have a half a brain.

Thanks it is great.

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WasabiHound

15 years ago

Right side...no wait left side...no wait right side....aww crap.

What do you do when the girl is not spinning at all?

Seriously though - great post TomW. Challenging to try to work out which part our head we might be using at any one time and that in fact one could dominate and drive us one way or how much potential we could unlock by using both.

I thought being left handed my right side would dominate but actually it flips round quite quickly. (Which probably means I can't make up my mind at all).

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