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Hi everybody.


I am reading Richard Bandlers books, and it is a totally new world. In my view a man of active knowledge and know how. That is my opinion, you are entitled to yours.

I would like to invite those of you who are familiar in this field to start a forum, where questions could be answered, and we can discuss things to better understand the details of this great work. I am in the beginning of my learing and I those of you who have experience could help discuss matters further.

If any interest, please let me know.

thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author AlTheGr8
    Dude, there's a bunch of NLP forums, just google for them. I just recently discovered NLP for myself too but WF is not exactly the place to discuss it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
      There's a lot of people in IM that use NLP - some good, some bad, some plain ugly. If the discussions relate to IM then I don't see a problem in discussing them here. If you check around, NLP crops up in many threads, particularly in this section.

      I don't know if there's a need for a dedicated forum - just posting in this section should be good enough.

      Peter
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    • Profile picture of the author free2rythme
      hey, thanks. I actually did what you advised me to. thanks for your help.

      take care
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    Originally Posted by free2rythme View Post

    I am reading Richard Bandlers books...
    Which of his books have you chosen as your first?


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    • Profile picture of the author JoseArmando
      Those who are not familiar with NLP I suggest you start with Frogs into Princes.
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    • Profile picture of the author free2rythme
      well, as of now i have read some of his books and as much as i can lay my hand on. But from frogs to princes, transformations, family therapy, use your brain for a change, The structure of magic.
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      • Profile picture of the author Johnson Tay
        The guy to look for when it comes to applying NLP to marketing/copywriting is Dr Harlan Kilstein.

        Check out his website FREE Mini-Course In NLP For Copy

        You'll learn some NLP patterns not found in books
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        • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
          Originally Posted by Johnson Tay View Post

          The guy to look for when it comes to applying NLP to marketing/copywriting is Dr Harlan Kilstein


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          • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
            Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

            I can't figure if that against rule #1 or not. lol
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            • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
              Originally Posted by Peter Bestel View Post

              I can't figure if that against rule #1 or not. lol
              Yeah, I know Peter. Some times I should just learn to keep my thoughts to myself.

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              • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
                free2rythme, rather than look at anyone who practices NLP within IM, I'd suggest sticking to what you're doing now. Bandler, together with John Grinder, wrote some great books - a great intro, but by his own admission, many are 30+ years old and need updating. He's moved with the times (unlike some of his ardent disciples!) and is constantly updating his theories. Once you got the grounding, practiced using it until it's virtually effortless, check out his newer stuff - well worth a look.

                Peter

                EDIT: How about telling us your real name - free2rythme is SO difficult to spell. :rolleyes: Better still, change your user name to your real name, it's easily done, just send a message to the help desk.
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                • Profile picture of the author David Campbell
                  I went through some of the early NLP training with Richard Bandler, John Grinder, and Leslie Cameron-Bandler out in California. Very powerful, helpful, intelligent people. I got certified and used some of their methodologies in the professional counseling I was doing with people at the time. It helped some people make some powerful and lasting changes.

                  But after a year or two, I consciously put most of the techniques aside. Maybe that approach to working with people just didn't quite mesh with my own personality. But it seemed too manipulative somehow; too technique centered. Or maybe too "directive."

                  Then, too, hanging around with other NLPers was a bit depressing at times. They'd say things such as, "Hey, I'm going to NLP this waitress and see if I can get her to . . ." NLP often seemed to be about exercising power and control over other people. Or a bit like a parlor trick.

                  Mind you, that WASN'T what Bandler, Grinder, and Cameron-Bandler were all about, as far as I'm aware. But it did seem to be how the technology was often used.

                  Now that I'm into marketing, I definitely want people to buy things from me. But it seems like there's a fine line between giving people what they really want or need, and getting the sale.

                  I'd be happy to know more clearly where and how to draw that line.
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                  • Profile picture of the author JasonKing
                    Bandler is coming out with some new stuff...

                    Anyone going to catch his new books?

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                  • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
                    Originally Posted by rainbow21 View Post

                    Now that I'm into marketing, I definitely want people to buy things from me. But it seems like there's a fine line between giving people what they really want or need, and getting the sale.

                    I'd be happy to know more clearly where and how to draw that line.
                    Do not scam, rip off, or lie to your customers. NLP isn't going to make a bad offer good.. Although it can be perceived as better. The key is to over deliver with your products and services and you'll be fine.
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                    • Profile picture of the author rebenca
                      I trained in NLP to Master Practitioner level a few years ago and have used it mostly in a therapeutic setting. I think that if used with integrity it can be very powerful but only if used with integrity. There are good and bad bits and I use what I consider to be the good bits and chuck the rest out.

                      I also use it with a combination of other things rather than being rigid in one approach and to become what was known in my training as a meta monster (using a form of language patterns on everyone) can be very annoying!

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                      • Profile picture of the author SK WONG
                        Originally Posted by rebenca View Post

                        ....... I think that if used with integrity it can be very powerful but only if used with integrity. There are good and bad bits and I use what I consider to be the good bits and chuck the rest out. ........
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                        Rebenca,

                        I agreed with you totally. It very much depend on the person who hold the "power"

                        "With Great Power comes with Great responsibility." Person who abuse their knowledge will abuse anything anyway.
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                      • Profile picture of the author WarriorForSuccess
                        Integrity is very important in general. NLP is communication, and meta model patterns will come up in every-day language. The structure of nit-picking is chunking down (using the meta model patterns) and mismatching. I would also state that from an NLP presupposition, "resistance in a client is a sign of lack of rapport." If someone is going to use the meta model, use it as a way to uncover what's missing in conversation so that both parties understand each other.

                        Originally Posted by rebenca View Post

                        I trained in NLP to Master Practitioner level a few years ago and have used it mostly in a therapeutic setting. I think that if used with integrity it can be very powerful but only if used with integrity. There are good and bad bits and I use what I consider to be the good bits and chuck the rest out.

                        I also use it with a combination of other things rather than being rigid in one approach and to become what was known in my training as a meta monster (using a form of language patterns on everyone) can be very annoying!

                        Cath
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                    • Profile picture of the author Gary Pettit
                      Originally Posted by MaskedMarketer View Post

                      The key is to over deliver with your products and services and you'll be fine.
                      I recently read (and can't cite the source; my apologies) that "It's the services you provide which are not expected that are the most memorable to your customers."
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                  • Profile picture of the author daveman
                    Originally Posted by David Campbell View Post

                    I went through some of the early NLP training with Richard Bandler, John Grinder, and Leslie Cameron-Bandler out in California. Very powerful, helpful, intelligent people. I got certified and used some of their methodologies in the professional counseling I was doing with people at the time. It helped some people make some powerful and lasting changes.

                    But after a year or two, I consciously put most of the techniques aside. Maybe that approach to working with people just didn't quite mesh with my own personality. But it seemed too manipulative somehow; too technique centered. Or maybe too "directive."

                    Then, too, hanging around with other NLPers was a bit depressing at times. They'd say things such as, "Hey, I'm going to NLP this waitress and see if I can get her to . . ." NLP often seemed to be about exercising power and control over other people. Or a bit like a parlor trick.

                    Mind you, that WASN'T what Bandler, Grinder, and Cameron-Bandler were all about, as far as I'm aware. But it did seem to be how the technology was often used.

                    Now that I'm into marketing, I definitely want people to buy things from me. But it seems like there's a fine line between giving people what they really want or need, and getting the sale.

                    I'd be happy to know more clearly where and how to draw that line.
                    I too have given this plenty of thought, but in my opinion it's not just an issue with NLP, it's true of any situation where you have or can have power over others.

                    When selling something I try and stick to the truth and judge my own actions, words and intentions with my moral compass.
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                  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                    Originally Posted by David Campbell View Post

                    NLP often seemed to be about exercising power and control over other people.
                    NLP is like a martial art. You start out studying it so you can beat people up, and you eventually reach a point where beating people up just doesn't interest you any more.

                    Most people these days don't reach that point. They get to a sort of perpetual-intermediate zone, where they know enough to beat people up, but not enough to be bored with beating people up. They're still excited that they can punch someone, but not yet concerned about how much damage they can do with just their fist.

                    Similarly, those who study NLP just until they get the fundamentals down? They're going to wander around using NLP as a parlour trick, because they haven't really grasped the deeper meaning and power of it. They're excited they can manipulate someone, not concerned about how much damage they can do.
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  • Profile picture of the author TajwarAlexander
    I first learned about NLP from Tony Robbins in Awaken the Giant Within. I would recommend that book for people getting their first taste...He has, after all, built a half billion dollar empire with the help of NLP.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Foster
    I think the line is where ever you draw it.

    When I write my copy, I take into consideration if I think the product is any good. I don't take the job if I don't.

    So if I think the product's good - it's a logical conclusion that I believe people would benefit from owning the product, and by that logic have no problem using my NLP skills to persuade people to buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketinggremlin
    Ok just for clarity by NLP we are discussing Neuro-Linguistic Programming ala Tony Robbins, correct? I know that he did not originate the theory of NLP but can't really argue that he really helped to rocket the concept!! Awaken the Giant Baby!!
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  • Profile picture of the author nyrsimon
    I'm going thru Frogs Into Princes

    Very intriguing so far.

    Got a shelf (and iPad) of stuff to work thru just to see what the next step is

    Simon
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  • Profile picture of the author madno
    can you all share what is the power of NLP anyway. I dont even know the basics of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author slk
    NLP helped me through some very tough times. Now it helps to go for my dreams and reach them. It is great. I have read many of the books that all of you have mentioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
    Anybody knows where to get a NLP Practitioner Certificate online?
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    • Profile picture of the author WarriorForSuccess
      Originally Posted by AlexBarboza View Post

      Anybody knows where to get a NLP Practitioner Certificate online?
      You could go to The Empowerment Partnership online at nlp.com. Just tell them I sent you. :-) They have an accredited online practitioner.

      In addition, I may be working on putting one together myself, though I haven't decided yet.

      Let me know how you make out.

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  • Profile picture of the author mikey22
    Definitely check out Bandler and Grinder, always have good stuff. I also like Michael Breen
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