Become selfish to become generous

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This is something that blew my mind when I first heard it... You've got to be selfish at first to become generous later... It's simple, go out and learn everything you need to learn to succeed and focus on it very seriously. Some may call you jerk or stupid while doing it.. then later on - you can share what you've learned. Good example - Michael Jordan, he played 6 hours a day each day to become best at what he did and then he gave people incredible performances (and in that way was generous).

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  • Profile picture of the author TCmarketer
    I'm not sure selfish is the best word or way to describe it. Very focused would work better. The only people that would label it selfish are the same people that never achieve things in their own life.
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    • Profile picture of the author kierov
      Originally Posted by TCmarketer View Post

      I'm not sure selfish is the best word or way to describe it. Very focused would work better. The only people that would label it selfish are the same people that never achieve things in their own life.
      Eveything is needed. Sometimes you got to be selfish to achieve something. If you always think about people, then it's hard. I do not say that you don't have to care about people. I think the best way to describe is, sometimes you need to do more for yourself than others..
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by TCmarketer View Post

      I'm not sure selfish is the best word or way to describe it. Very focused would work better. The only people that would label it selfish are the same people that never achieve things in their own life.
      Well, when you are very focused someone will say that you are selfish.. I've had it like that...
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    • Profile picture of the author FortressDewey
      Originally Posted by TCmarketer View Post

      I'm not sure selfish is the best word or way to describe it. Very focused would work better. The only people that would label it selfish are the same people that never achieve things in their own life.
      I gotta second that....being focused is a lot different than being selfish. My wife and I get into sometimes b/c I pick up an extra 30 minutes in the day and I used it more often than not to work on a project that will ultimately help US as a couple. She would call my actions selfish, I would call them focused.
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      • Profile picture of the author xxxskyxxx
        Originally Posted by FortressDewey View Post

        I gotta second that....being focused is a lot different than being selfish. My wife and I get into sometimes b/c I pick up an extra 30 minutes in the day and I used it more often than not to work on a project that will ultimately help US as a couple. She would call my actions selfish, I would call them focused.
        ye i know what you mean, that message resonate with some, not everyone, but as long as you got the message
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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          Originally Posted by xxxskyxxx View Post

          ye i know what you mean, that message resonate with some, not everyone, but as long as you got the message
          *Chuckle* It seems like Mr. AfteraDream really does believe in being selfish. AferaDream and XXXSkyXXX are the same person.

          I knew there was something wrong with this thread the first moment I saw it. That's why this relatively mediocre post received 4 stars.

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  • Profile picture of the author ss61288
    Yes I totally agree with what you're saying here but balance in whatever one does has a great impact. Associating the fact that being focused means being selfish might make a presupposition in your mind that to make anything work out you will have to focus on that and only that.. Balancing your life can have a positive affect
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    • Profile picture of the author DominicTFY
      There's a certain truth and logic. Another way to look at it is the scenario of the "oxygen mask on mid-air crisis". First save yourself before you attempt to save others.
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      • Profile picture of the author RhondaM
        Originally Posted by DominicTFY View Post

        There's a certain truth and logic. Another way to look at it is the scenario of the "oxygen mask on mid-air crisis". First save yourself before you attempt to save others.
        Exactly..You are more equipped to help others when you have first helped yourself.

        In the part where you are helping yourself, whether that be by educated yourself or making yourself rich, others may see you as being selfish, yet if you give all you have all the time, you have nothing and will find it harder to grow. The more you got the more you can give, yet what can you give when you have nothing: NOTHING.

        Don't worry about others seeing you as selfish, others will always have an opinion of you which will be conflicting with each other and you can never please everyone!
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        • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
          Originally Posted by RhondaM View Post

          Don't worry about others seeing you as selfish, others will always have an opinion of you which will be conflicting with each other and you can never please everyone!
          Exactly!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author fred59
          working on a 3 story roof making repairs when a section of the roof supporting us started to give way. My partner was closer to the edge and in more danger of falling than I was... could not have helped him if I didn't think of me first... we both came out OK!
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        Originally Posted by DominicTFY View Post

        There's a certain truth and logic. Another way to look at it is the scenario of the "oxygen mask on mid-air crisis". First save yourself before you attempt to save others.
        EXCELLENT analogy about the oxygen masks, must be able to help before you can help.
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        • Profile picture of the author robertstr
          hi!
          selfish and generous, they are seem to be contrast with each other. However, become selfish to become generous is quite right.
          - If you want to achieve something you should be selfish first because if you always think about people you will forget the grow you are longing for. It doesn't mean you will stop to care for people but you have to take care of yourself first.
          - Successful people most of the time are doing their own thing and they are focus for what goal they had in mind
          - Becoming selfish is not really bad if that will lead you to your greater dreams for everyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by Sonny Saini View Post

      Yes I totally agree with what you're saying here but balance in whatever one does has a great impact. Associating the fact that being focused means being selfish might make a presupposition in your mind that to make anything work out you will have to focus on that and only that.. Balancing your life can have a positive affect
      Absolutely. Balance is important. A person my be considered selfish by other people when they're focused and determined on their goals however if what they're doing is to benefit other people then there's nothing wrong with it.

      You don't have to be selfish to become generous. It would be more accurate to say: "Become generous to become successful." One of the reasons why many people fail in Internet Marketing (as far as I can tell) is because they're too concerned with themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Fisher
    Solid info. You have to make gains before giving anything away. I'm new any tidbits of knowledge is appreciated. thx again
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    • Profile picture of the author rickdearr
      The best way to help someone up is to get "up" first. Another way to look at it is to help others up as you are helping yourself.

      If your learning is too protracted before you start to help then you might truly be considered selfish in keeping some things to yourself that could have helped others along the way.

      So learn and grow but reach back quickly and see who wants to come along with you.

      If you read a great book about something that enriches your life, you don't need to finish the book, create a company make a million dollars, then help.

      Share the title of the book or buy some for your friends and pass it along quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author A8ch
    Being selfish means you are chiefly concerned with one's own interest to the exclusion of all others. That shouldn't be confused with self-development and self-improvement.

    As a matter of fact, if we are really serious about advancing our own success, we ought to be minding our own business much more, and be less concerned about what our neighbor is thinking, saying or doing.

    I can only give something AFTER I have acquired something to give. So if someone calls me selfish during my acquisition period, so be it. It simply reflects their biased, uninformed perspective of my activities and they are entitled to it.

    But I shouldn't allow that to influence or distract me from my objectives.

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    • Profile picture of the author jcisme
      Originally Posted by A8ch View Post

      Being selfish means you are chiefly concerned with one's own interest to the exclusion of all others. That shouldn't be confused with self-development and self-improvement.

      As a matter of fact, if we are really serious about advancing our own success, we ought to be minding our own business much more, and be less concerned about what our neighbor is thinking, saying or doing.

      I can only give something AFTER I have acquired something to give. So if someone calls me selfish during my acquisition period, so be it. It simply reflects their biased, uninformed perspective of my activities and they are entitled to it.

      But I shouldn't allow that to influence or distract me from my objectives.

      Hermas
      Very wise advise along that line how do you keep others from distracting you I find that to be one of the hardest things to do when I'm trying to stay focused on something. I do turn my phone off at those times but that doesn't stop family members from knocking on my door while I'm trying to work. I hate to be rude and tell them to go away. Maybe I should just put a 'do not disturb' sign on my door.

      Sometimes it's very difficult to get one's concentration back once one has been distracted.
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      • Profile picture of the author A8ch
        Originally Posted by jcisme View Post

        Very wise advise along that line how do you keep others from distracting you I find that to be one of the hardest things to do when I'm trying to stay focused on something. I do turn my phone off at those times but that doesn't stop family members from knocking on my door while I'm trying to work. I hate to be rude and tell them to go away. Maybe I should just put a 'do not disturb' sign on my door.

        Sometimes it's very difficult to get one's concentration back once one has been distracted.
        Jcisme,

        It takes discipline!

        Instead of trying to "keep others from distracting you" you should think in terms of "not allowing others to distract you." This places YOU in control and that's where the discipline takes root.

        Putting up a Do Not Disturb sign is not a bad idea. Or, simply let people know you'll be busy for the next few hours and don't want to be disturbed. If you still get interrupted, then firmly, but politely explain it's not a convenient time at the moment, and you'll be happy to give them your complete attention when you are through.

        You've got to set the tone and insist on it, then people will fall in line. If you show respect for your time, others will too!

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      Originally Posted by A8ch View Post

      Being selfish means you are chiefly concerned with one's own interest to the exclusion of all others. That shouldn't be confused with self-development and self-improvement.

      As a matter of fact, if we are really serious about advancing our own success, we ought to be minding our own business much more, and be less concerned about what our neighbor is thinking, saying or doing.

      I can only give something AFTER I have acquired something to give. So if someone calls me selfish during my acquisition period, so be it. It simply reflects their biased, uninformed perspective of my activities and they are entitled to it.

      But I shouldn't allow that to influence or distract me from my objectives.

      Hermas
      So true. It is all about choices one makes. And one must choose to put in the time and effort and distance themselves from certain elements to achieve more to then give more.
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    • Profile picture of the author mwazwi
      I really liked this thread. It gave me great insight into a topic I have asked and continue to ask myself with regard to all my actions.

      Thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author jayden.fellze
    By being focus on what you really do and help you become more expert in your chosen field. I think one important thought is the act of sharing after you have achieved your goals.
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    Glad you like this quote guys!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    I don't think you have to become selfish you just have to be determined and focused.

    It's never a good idea to be truly selfish. And Micheal Jorden wasn't being selfish he was just focused and determined on becoming a World class basketball player.

    There's always time for other people. No point rising to the top and losing the people that are important to you because you didn't have time for them. If you're selling information products you're being generous by helping people solve their problems and contributing to their lives.

    For me online business is all about being generous and if you have the mindset that you have to be selfish to succeed then you're not going to get very far. "The Go Giver" is a great book which concentrates on giving (being generous) to succeed in business.

    Sure you can't help people in a particular area until you've succeeded in that area yourself but that's just common sense and you can still be generous with other resources other than information.
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    • Profile picture of the author naruq
      In order to achieve anything great you have to be selfish sometimes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        Originally Posted by naruq View Post

        In order to achieve anything great you have to be selfish sometimes.
        Heck in order to live a normal life you have to be selfish sometimes.
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    • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
      Originally Posted by ZigZag View Post

      I don't think you have to become selfish you just have to be determined and focused.

      It's never a good idea to be truly selfish. And Micheal Jorden wasn't being selfish he was just focused and determined on becoming a World class basketball player.

      There's always time for other people. No point rising to the top and losing the people that are important to you because you didn't have time for them. If you're selling information products you're being generous by helping people solve their problems and contributing to their lives.

      For me online business is all about being generous and if you have the mindset that you have to be selfish to succeed then you're not going to get very far. "The Go Giver" is a great book which concentrates on giving (being generous) to succeed in business.

      Sure you can't help people in a particular area until you've succeeded in that area yourself but that's just common sense and you can still be generous with other resources other than information.
      Well, if you are focused and determined to reach one goal some people WILL call you selfish. They wont like the fact that you have something more important.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

        Well, if you are focused and determined to reach one goal some people WILL call you selfish. They wont like the fact that you have something more important.
        Maybe--depends on the people and circumstances. And I've been called much worse than that. *Chuckle* I think I can handle a couple of people thinking that I'm being selfish.

        There's a difference between people thinking that I'm selfish (just because I have other priorities at the time--which will often benefit them) and actually being selfish.

        For me "selfish" is the wrong word. I think being "committed" and "focused" is more accurate.

        And I think having a generous mindset is the best approach to succeeding in business and actually succeeding at life in general. So I disagree that you have to be selfish to be generous.

        You can be generous no matter what stage you're at in the great game of life. Because we all have something to teach and share with other people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shafiq Kamal
        What you are saying by selfishness is actually Self Love. This is really necessary to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richcroc
    Well I don't think it's selfish to focus on yourself. Michael Jordan is just doing what he loves or he could never practice 6 hours a day. He loves his game so much that he is totally focused on making the most out of himself. Self realization is cool.

    Sadly most people never find out what they are cut out for and just drift along. Then they are surprised when they land up just any where, when they could have been at the steering wheel all along.

    Selfish is when you steal and cheat at other people's expense to get what you want. Those people generally aren't happy because deep down they know they're not being authentic and living on borrowed time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by Richcroc View Post

      Well I don't think it's selfish to focus on yourself.
      Absolutely. And neither do I.

      Selfish is when you steal and cheat at other people's expense to get what you want. Those people generally aren't happy because deep down they know they#re not being authentic and living on borrowed time.
      Yep. Being selfish is when you don't care enough about other people. When you're greedy and overly put yourself, your time, and your priorities above other people.

      I seriously doubt anyone thought Michael Jorden was selfish just because he loved playing basketball and was committed to practicing. If anything they probably respected him.
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      • Profile picture of the author bottomline11
        You must selfish to attain the knowledge an skill needed to become successful. I believe that if do have the needed skills and knowledge to become successful, then who will listen to you and buy your products that will enable you to pass on your generosity in the future.
        There is no generosity without success.

        Best of Luck

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        • Profile picture of the author DanGTD
          Great post.

          When you are avoiding something you know you should be doing, you can ask yourself this question: "What's in it for me?"

          Sometimes we forget why we've set our goals, and we need to be remembered.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

    In past years as I dedicated myself to learning and and as my business grew...my social life dived...but now I am the life of the party, and it's on me baby.
    No need to brag.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheila
    I once thought that taking care of myself was selfish - I was very focused on giving to others, and figured everything would work out from there . . . boy, was I wrong! There are a lot of truly selfish people that will take advantage of you until you're dying breath - if you let them. But, if you're reading this, I'd bet you're not one of those people!

    Being selfish - when we're talking about doing what's best for you - is a VERY good thing! The Bible even says "Love others as you love yourself", implying that you need to love yourself first. When we're being "selfish" and being true to the "self" we were created to be, we just naturally want to give to others. . . which feeds our "self" . . . which helps others . . . which helps us want to give more . . . etc. etc. etc.

    Being selfish is a very loving, giving thing :-)

    Best of success to you!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by Sheila View Post

      I once thought that taking care of myself was selfish - I was very focused on giving to others, and figured everything would work out from there . . . boy, was I wrong! There are a lot of truly selfish people that will take advantage of you until you're dying breath - if you let them. But, if you're reading this, I'd bet you're not one of those people!

      Being selfish - when we're talking about doing what's best for you - is a VERY good thing! The Bible even says "Love others as you love yourself", implying that you need to love yourself first. When we're being "selfish" and being true to the "self" we were created to be, we just naturally want to give to others. . . which feeds our "self" . . . which helps others . . . which helps us want to give more . . . etc. etc. etc.

      Being selfish is a very loving, giving thing :-)

      Best of success to you!
      That's not really being selfish though.

      Still, good point. Certain people who are "people pleasers" should probably become more selfish and stop thinking they have to help everyone (and all that) and start putting themselves first.

      Although it's catchy and gets people thinking saying that being selfish is a very loving and giving thing is a twisted way of looking at self-respect, self-love, and doing what's important to you. (Just my opinion.) Personally I don't think that's being selfish at all.

      My dictionary defines "selfish" as being "concerned chiefly or only with oneself." If you've ever met someone who is concerned with themselves too much--which is basically what it means--you'll know that they're not very likeable at all.

      Think of the people you admire and respect in business and in life--would you call them selfish? I wouldn't. I've never heard anyone say "I like and respect that person because they're selfish."

      And I don't think it's a good idea to look at it as being selfish. Because the words we use to describe ourselves and our behaviour are important. Saying "I'm going to put myself first today and do what's best for me while helping others where I can" is a much more healthy way of looking at things.
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  • Profile picture of the author jyzackoh
    Nicely! I agree that you should get the knowledge and powers before you can teach people. But along the way, a few pointers for others won't hurt =)

    But of course we shouldnt get too obsessed with helping ourselves!

    Very thought provoking! Thanks =)
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxskyxxx
    i think i heard that qoute from that dating guru..
    if you decide to be "selfish" to help yourself first, and improve yourself, you'll be more influential to and powerful to help others... he meant it in that context
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxskyxxx
    Originally Posted by honestbizpro View Post

    In past years as I dedicated myself to learning and and as my business grew...my social life dived...but now I am the life of the party, and it's on me baby.
    thats awesome,!
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  • People learn well by modeling others. So by developing yourself mentally, physically and spiritually, you are going to become an example that others can learn from. As Marianne Williamon said, "Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do."
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheila
    If you look at the quote from AfteraDream;
    You've got to be selfish at first to become generous later...

    And the definition given by ZigZag:
    My dictionary defines "selfish" as being "concerned chiefly or only with oneself."

    . . . the first statement seems to be an impossibility - I don't think it's probable that someone who is "concerned chiefly or only with oneself" would then become "generous later".

    Sounds more like true selfishness is more like narcissism (self-love; interest, often excessive interest, in one's own appearance, comfort, importance, abilities, etc.) and not conducive to a generous spirit at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxskyxxx
    it's just word guys, we dun need to analize this LOL
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    this is exactly what I needed... thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author magnates
    Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

    This is something that blew my mind when I first heard it... You've got to be selfish at first to become generous later... It's simple, go out and learn everything you need to learn to succeed and focus on it very seriously. Some may call you jerk or stupid while doing it.. then later on - you can share what you've learned. Good example - Michael Jordan, he played 6 hours a day each day to become best at what he did and then he gave people incredible performances (and in that way was generous).

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    the first time i heard of becoming selfish to become generous , I thought that was a bit extreme but that was what i was doing anyway was n't working , so I opened myself to try other things that might work

    It is sounds a bit strange but it is true . You got to dedicate the time to learn and master before you serve somebody else
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  • Profile picture of the author HawkPrecision
    Osho said that too. To be 'self-ish' implies that you are being yourself. Yet our society thinks that being self-ish is the worst thing in the world.

    ...ironic huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvie Vivarais
    Before you can start helping out others you need to take care of your needs. Therefore you do need to be selfish in that respect.

    This is not a bad thing though because you are now going to be able to help others with your skills and that will improve their abilities as well.

    Having goals and aiming for them is not selfish. It's about working to reach our self-actualization need.

    If you take time to learn and apply and can still make some time for family and friends than you are an all around great person.

    Always keep that in mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author dorianjohn425
      Originally Posted by Digital Marketing Agency View Post

      Generous hands are always blessed!
      Indeed!

      In IM, of course, we need to learn first ourselves before we can share helpful insights to others.
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    i agree with you Sylvie Vivarais....thanks for the share..
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    Nice tip and great share.

    I definitely agree that you do have to be a little bit selfish in the beginning. But you should also be a little selfless sometimes too.

    Be all that you can be, but don't let that ruin other peoples lives, if you are being selfish to the point that you are doing something evil, then that's different.

    But if you are being selfish in the fact that you are bettering your life to possibly better other lives, then I do think you might be on a good track.

    My goal is probably a little bit selfish, because I do want to achieve greatness and live a wonderful life, but at the same time I want to get to a point where I can help many more people out financially and mentally

    Thanks for the share once again!
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  • Profile picture of the author Christine2011
    Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

    This is something that blew my mind when I first heard it... You've got to be selfish at first to become generous later... It's simple, go out and learn everything you need to learn to succeed and focus on it very seriously. Some may call you jerk or stupid while doing it.. then later on - you can share what you've learned. Good example - Michael Jordan, he played 6 hours a day each day to become best at what he did and then he gave people incredible performances (and in that way was generous).

    Use this to your advantage in IM too
    It's like saying...self first before others
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    I completely agree, lets say you create a great method for making money online and its completely unique because you created it. Eventually when you have made enough money or if you feel the market cannot become saturated then sell it and or share it with other internet marketers.
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  • Profile picture of the author scsheldon33
    LOL...atleast you will experience first thinking only about yourself before looking onto others.
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  • Profile picture of the author LoveGrowth
    I think another way of looking at this is, "You can only give what you have." This also means with love, if you don't love yourself how can you love another. If you don't have money how can you give money to another.

    Spend time learning to love yourself and succeed and then you will have lots to give to others.
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  • Profile picture of the author stopper
    Sometimes it is necessary to concentrate on yourself and tune out everyone else to get the prerequisite skills to explore your ultimate potential.
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  • Profile picture of the author hireava
    May be it depends really upon the person, some people are really born generous and they don't need to become selfish to become generous.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinjinjk
    Originally Posted by AfteraDream View Post

    This is something that blew my mind when I first heard it... You've got to be selfish at first to become generous later... It's simple, go out and learn everything you need to learn to succeed and focus on it very seriously. Some may call you jerk or stupid while doing it.. then later on - you can share what you've learned. Good example - Michael Jordan, he played 6 hours a day each day to become best at what he did and then he gave people incredible performances (and in that way was generous).

    Use this to your advantage in IM too
    I firmly agree with you. How can you help others if you can't help yourself?
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