Are you truly awake? What if money didn't exist?

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I've known for a while now that the system doesn't work and nearly our entire society is based on a number of lies. What I have found recently is The Venus Project along with the Zeitgeist Movement. I've decided to commit a portion of my IM time to this non-profit effort to change the world. I invite you to awaken as well if you have not already.

One of the main points is the problem of the monetary system and the Federal Reserve in particular. There is nothing federal about the federal reserve. All money is debt, and debt is money. Not a single dollar has been created that was not out of debt. The monetary system is the largest Ponzi scheme of all time and will inevitably collapse on itself. All money is created out of debt as you can see by the quote below. If all debt was paid off, not one single dollar would be left in existence. On top of that, all of this money is expected to be paid back WITH INTEREST. That means that there would not even be enough money to repay all of the debt that is created with money.

That's the reason I bring this up to IM'ers since we are all here for money. Many are here since they did not like or were not meant for "9-5 jobs". Well what if we didn't need to work in the first place? Robotics could replace 90% of the workforce today and could be used as positives rather than negatives as they are today.

Before you write this off and think this is some new-age ideological BS, look into the videos, do some research. It's all real. It's incredible how the population blindly buys whatever is sold to them by the mass media and politics. Republicans...Democrats... they are all owned by the same corporations. It goes to the highest bidder.

There are thousands of ebooks out there that fully explain the problems of our ruling elite and our "democracy" that doesn't exist. If you can't read the books or watch the full Zeitgeist movies, at least watch these short excerpts from the movies and it will change your life.

Zeitgeist: Addendum - PART 1/9 - [Official] Peter Joseph - YouTube

Complete Original '07 Zeitgeist With 2010 Updates by: Peter Joseph - YouTube

Here is the companion guide for the information contained in the video as well.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" -- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The
issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to
whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.

"Neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, intrinsically, a 'dollar' bill is just
a piece of paper. Deposits are merely book entries." -- Modern Money Mechanics Workbook,
Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, 1975

I'd love to hear what other people think about all of this if they have known about it or are just learning.

I'd also love to know if you have done any IM'ing of this or any other non-profit venture.
#awake #exist #freedom #money #venus project #zeitgeist
  • Profile picture of the author betterwtveter
    Money is needed to keep things in order, unless you want a communist society and we all know that does not work. If we charge everyone fairly for the work they do or for the items they buy, life would be easier. But we are in a society that will lie and cheat their way to get as much money as they can to get gain. Maybe that is why I am not rich because I am too honest in what I do.
    If we were all completely honest in what we do wit money, our economy would be thriving.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Money doesn't exist, it's an illusion. Have to be the illusionist/magician to really manipulate what we think it is to get what we want and spread perceived "value" to others to get more of it. Those who make a lot of money are just better illusionists than others.
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    • Profile picture of the author impro42
      Originally Posted by betterwtveter View Post

      Money is needed to keep things in order, unless you want a communist society and we all know that does not work. If we charge everyone fairly for the work they do or for the items they buy, life would be easier.
      That's what the system would have you believe. The truth is, what do we need to trade or barter for? Many professions would become extinct. Any finance related job or corporate job would be obsolete. Robotics can take over 90% of the work force. They have sophisticated enough technology to build entire houses.

      The monetary system creates dishonesty by nature. If a company admitted that their competitor made a superior product, they would not make any profits. Therefore it is advantageous for them to lie and say that their product is actually superior.

      Then there is planned obsolescence where it is not profitable to make things that will last forever so they are only made to last a certain period of time so consumers need to upgrade and purchase more items.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    I've been thinking about this a lot over the last year. You are 100% correct about the dollar. It is nothing but perceived value that keeps it going when in reality it's worthless.

    The movie Thrive (free online) explains a lot about fractional reserve banking and has a lot of good stuff in it.

    Another movie I recommend is I Am. Very moving story and similar to my own. You're sold the dream that you must have a ton of fancy stuff to be happy and fulfilled, but that's dead wrong (speaking from experience).

    What I tend to get all philosophical about is "Why does money have to be based on scarcity?" Even when gold backed the dollar and gave it value... it's still just something dug out of the ground so why not make currency abundant like dirt for example. (Yeah I know, kinda nutty but think about it)
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Gold backing our money was a thing of decades past wasn't it? Our dollar US money in the states is fiat money now. Nothing backing it really, just our willingness to accept it for goods and trade, that's all.

      The traditional gold standard is more derived from the olden days of banking, where money was just the traded bank slips that displayed how much gold was in the bank. I sort of wish we are on that still. I'd like the feeling of gold behind behind my money - but sigh - no.

      Tis why i say our money is now illusion. Just wait till pandemonium breaks out from natural disaster or similar and our money inflates to uselessness. What may i ask, would we do then?
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Yes it was a thing of the past, that's why I said "when". 1933 is when the gold standard was abolished and it was actually illegal to have more than 5 ounces in possession. Originally one dollar was the equivalent of 1/20th of an ounce of gold.

    So you are correct, it is an illusion. And all signs do point to hyperinflation. People think that stuff like gas and food is getting more expensive. Not the case... the reality is the value of the dollar is getting weaker.

    It wont even take a natural disaster, the fed is way ahead of it with QE4 or whatever number we're on. Over history not ONE fiat currency has ever not collapsed. And most go through 30 year average life spans... the dollar is past that point now.

    What to do? Have a global shift in mindset (unlikely in the short term) or hold real tangible assets.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    money is a medium of exchange .and has value as long as people give it value ..the money i have is only worth something while you are willing to trade me what you have for the money in my hand .

    we put everything into dollar value and assume everything must be traded for money..because a pope at one time declared that is the way it should be so the church could easily tax transactions .

    a few hundred years ago salt was a medium of exchange in parts of europe .. and spices have long been a medium of exchange in places

    online game are huge and people put more time into farming (killing stuff over and over) for gold in game to get a item in game than they do to pay rent ..and it will become common for people to exchange game items with each other for real money.. or in game gold and people buy the in game gold for real money .. it is already a several billion dollar a year enterprize mostly handled buy a black market ..

    ignore the venus project .. the world will continue to use fiat currencies .. but the current trend puts the tools of production of thing into the hand of more and more people ..so there will be much more barter or trade .. or recipricle gift giving .. as many forms of tech come online to drive the cost of living down ..

    low cost energy system are going to be released withing the next decade.. aquaponics and several other methods of farming will moves food production near where people eat and ut food prices .. and as people eat better fresher food they will get sick less .. and there are techs comming out that will provide cheap methods to purify water to make it drinkable.. and 50% of illnesses in the world are from bad drinking water ..

    the current model we live by is work and earn money to buy the stuff we need to live and mabe some to have fun .. the emerging model will have people working to produce the main things they use and selling tradeing or bartering their products to get what they themselves do not produce ..

    we have a merger of capatisim and communism going on .. the capatists are producing tools of production for the workers to produce things and trade among each other .

    money will play a role ... but government can not effective take and redistribute the stuff you make .. so to counter higher taxes world wide ..people just find ways to get stuff without financial transactions involved
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    the debt money system was built and survived to be a tricle down system .. money gets created by central banks.. lent to government treasuries.. who lend it to banks who lend it to businesses and consumers ..at every level the fractional reserve system expands the money supply ..

    the problem now and for the last several years .. is that the central bank have been lending the money to treasuries who have been lending it to banks .. who have not been lending to companies or consumers .. but been putting it in other government bonds believing that was the safe bet ..

    so without the system trickling down ..the government have had to borrow money to support poor people and big companies ..but over the last 4 years barter . trade and other off the books transactions have exploded ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    The reason we went of the gold backed currency ..was because the government had already printed much more money than there was gold to back it and the french i believe tried to call us out and cash their money in for gold .

    Investing in gold now is only going to work if you plan to sell .or store it yourself . there many many lots of gold with multiple owners ..who think they are the only owners ..and a lot of gold bars out their are filled with a metal that weighs the same as gold ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
    I'm not agreeing with your premise. In addition I believe your are collapsing two or more ideas that are not necessarily germane to your point.

    Originally Posted by impro42 View Post

    All money is debt, and debt is money.
    This sounds like double-talk to me. Maybe you could define this in a bit more detail.

    Originally Posted by impro42 View Post

    Not a single dollar has been created that was not out of debt.
    I disagree with this. Money, services and products are exchanged all of the time with a debt being incurred.

    Originally Posted by impro42 View Post

    All money is created out of debt as you can see by the quote below. If all debt was paid off, not one single dollar would be left in existence. On top of that, all of this money is expected to be paid back WITH INTEREST. That means that there would not even be enough money to repay all of the debt that is created with money.
    Huh???

    The argument falls apart when the "all money is debt" idea doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

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    • Profile picture of the author impro42
      Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

      I'm not agreeing with your premise. In addition I believe your are collapsing two or more ideas that are not necessarily germane to your point.



      This sounds like double-talk to me. Maybe you could define this in a bit more detail.



      I disagree with this. Money, services and products are exchanged all of the time with a debt being incurred.



      Huh???

      The argument falls apart when the "all money is debt" idea doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

      Joe Mobley
      I recommend learning a little bit more about the federal reserve system and how it works. Here's a video that can explain it better than I might in text.

      Zeitgeist Addendum (HD) Part I - Federal Reserve - YouTube
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
        I'm not disagreeing with the idea that the Federal Reserve is flakier than a Pillsbury biscuit. What I am not agreeing with is the tone that we are living in a fabricated idea of an existence monetarily speaking.

        The reality is that to participate to any degree in a 21st century society we have to use some of those semi-worthless reserve notes. It takes dollars (over here) to pay for Internet service, make the rent, cable, cell phone payments or buy food, clothes, gas, etc.

        I think your (and my) time and efforts are better spent looking for the best hands to play instead of trying to get Ben Bernanke, George Osborne, Angela Merkel among othes to reshuffle the cards.

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        Originally Posted by impro42 View Post

        I recommend learning a little bit more about the federal reserve system and how it works. Here's a video that can explain it better than I might in text.

        Zeitgeist Addendum (HD) Part I - Federal Reserve - YouTube
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Money is kind of like, freedom.

    Now, before you send me hatemail, I wish everyone was free; I wish everyone was happy.

    But I can't imagine a system like that. The truth is, money can buy you freedom. And the more money you have, the more free you are.

    It sucks doesn't it? But what's the solution really? I have no idea. I have no idea how to fix society.

    All I can do, is make money, and help as many people along the way as I can.

    If you have an idea on how to make society better; just remember that one man can make a difference.



    Go for it.

    I do all I can; you do all you can; encourage everyone to do everything they can.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Of course, I'm truly awake. Being truly awake is a choice, IMO!
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  • Profile picture of the author mannyconrady
    This is probably the coolest quote i've read regardgin money "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
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  • Profile picture of the author aliveder
    Our money is only worth as much as our faith in it is. It is just paper.

    In the end, if money did not exist, there will always be something to barter with, an item that people desire, want, need to posses.

    Even if all the money was eliminated, or all the money was divided among all the people of the world, within 5 years the top 10 percent will have the majority of the money.

    It isn't always about lying or cheating, its about being smarter than people. Not outsmarting them, but creating VALUE that people want to pay for with their coconut shells!
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    • Profile picture of the author impro42
      Originally Posted by aliveder View Post

      Our money is only worth as much as our faith in it is. It is just paper.

      In the end, if money did not exist, there will always be something to barter with, an item that people desire, want, need to posses.

      Even if all the money was eliminated, or all the money was divided among all the people of the world, within 5 years the top 10 percent will have the majority of the money.

      It isn't always about lying or cheating, its about being smarter than people. Not outsmarting them, but creating VALUE that people want to pay for with their coconut shells!
      Read my post just previous to yours. It is possible that even under the Venus Project, some type of value would need to be created similar to money. It would not be even close to the current one we have now.

      Many people shrug inflation off as just a normal aspect. Which it is, that is what we have been conditioned to. It is part of the Ponzi scheme. They need to print more and more money to be able to payoff the interest that it owed on the current money which in turn devalues the value of all dollars in circulation.
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