What is the #1 thing that people who follow LOA, Think & Grow Rich, etc. are missing?

Yes, I completely agree. I would call it PASSION that is missing. Just sitting around saying I want this I want that, I want to manifest whatever ... Passion, joyfulness, high vibration, is what people seem to be missing out on.

Of course the LOA still works, it's just not working the way people expect without that joy and passion.

What happened to a good work ethic, a positive goal oriented attitude and a commitment to get better every day of your life?

I agree with the fact that happiness improves performance. However, I've seen unhappy rich people and I've seen happy rich people. I've seen people who were grumpy their entire life and got rich. And I've seen happy people who failed.

So there is more to it than this.

I consider that there are a few key aspects to success:
* A positive, goal oriented attitude. A lot of things will try to pull you down. You must keep a frame of mind that helps you go until the very end. Most people fail not because they've tried and failed but because they haven't tried enough or they didn't even went until the very end.

* Work ethic. While hard work does not guarantee success and we all know someone who worked hard and died poor, it is one of the ingredients of success. Showering does not guarantee that you'll do good at a date but it's something you should do though.

* Getting better in your field. Knowledge is not power, it is potential power. Applied knowledge is power. For example, let's say that I'm a carpenter. I create 1 widget per hour. If I use some new creation method, I can create two now. The power is in the 100% increase, not in the knowledge itself. Yes, there are fields where knowledge is power ranging from academic to the media, writing, public speaking but generally, it's about the effect caused by that knowledge.

* Belief in something. As far as I'm concerned, it may be placebo or it may be not. It's important to believe in something that will get you moving until the very end. It may be your purpose. It may be God. It may be the desire to provide a better life to your family. But you must believe in something.

* A good physical ecosystem. This is not mentioned often but it's hard to do anything worthwhile in life if you are sick. You need a good vehicle for applying your plans and that vehicle is your body. Yes, you can somehow get past that but unless you are Stephen Hawking, it's kind of hard to earn a living by not being healthy (depends though).

* Meeting the right people and getting the right feedback. It's easier for me to help someone else, from a third person perspective than it is to help me. This is because I can see things as they are, not clouded by any personal preference or prejudice. Other people can help you stay on track just because of that - they can see who you are and what you do better than you can.

Of course, there are more ranging from your communication, views on morality and ethics, environment (both as in physical and psychological) but I consider these to be the main factors.

PS: People were getting rich or successful (whatever success may mean for them and you) long before the LOA and Think and Grow Rich.

Perhaps you might list some of those facts and the research that supports it.

Joe Mobley

When I started this thread I asked if there are any people who have gotten good results out of using things like LOA, SOGR, TGR, positive thinking, affirmations, etc? If you have than please share your results. I know there are many people getting results. Maybe not so many on this board.

I know that many people are not getting results because they are missing a key ingredient, joyfulness or high vibration. Try my fun methods and see if you get results. All my methods are free.

I would have to say that hard work and dedication is perhaps the one thing that people are missing out on. Sure you can be happy and all that, but being happy without taking any action does absolutely nothing towards your online success.

It takes work in order to become successful, not the universe, thinking posatively about yourself or things, or any of the other stuff that comes with LOA. The one thing that can guarantee your ultimate success is if you take affirmative action and do what needs to be done to reach your goals.

Happiness does indeed help because it can be used as a motivator to keep you going. It acts as the fuel for the journey, but without a vehicle, that fuel can't take you anywhere fast.

I think you're getting it all wrong... I'm taking Think and Grow Rich not because I wanted to get rich, but I wanted to learn how to see the better side of life. In other words, doing so makes me happy with it. So far it's working for me and anyone who does not find that joyfull feeling following such course should stop right now!

In my opinion affirmations positive thinking ect actually gives you more on your mind and lessens the chance of doing what it does best-coming up with flashes of insight.

@FlowWisdom.

I operate from a practical point of view, based on facts and results. From what I've seen so far, 90% of all people who achieved anything worthwhile was because they felt out of control of their life.

Their relationships sucked. They decided to improve it.
They were evicted. They decided to take work seriously.
They were seen as stupid. They decided to get an education.

I have yet to see a person that has a good life and aims for something better. When you are out of control, you want a solution to get back in control.

This can mean a lot of things.

It can mean leaving your hair long and joining a gang of bikers, it may mean selling your house and starting a life somewhere else or it may mean going on an intense workout regime to lose 25 pounds.

The LOA sounds amazing in theory but in the end, here's something that's a little close to reality - human psychology. Humans act in predictable way and in 90% of the cases, there must be a negative input so you can get a positive output.

I don't hold prejudice in general. I am just judging things from a results point of view and not a wishful thinking one.

And when you are out of control, affirmations and positive thinking are not helping you much. If you have overdue bills, your wife has sex with the milkmen, your kids hate you, your daughter explores new parts of her sexuality and your son deals crack at his school, positive thinking and saying how great you are or how amazing things are in your life will only make the problem worse, not better.

I consider that this self-help movement based on wishful thinking is one of the reasons America is not a world superpower anymore. 100 years ago we based ourselves on tangible things like industry, hard work, competitive spirit, innovation.

Now America (I'm an European) is composed of huge herds of people following Oprah and Dr. Phil while only 5% or may 20% is actually living the life. And what those 20% actually did?

Worked hard and smart.

They went to good schools and gained a high paying job or they started their own business and educated themselves in the process.

What the rest are actually doing? Hoping that things will somehow get better by someone else giving it to them, no matter if it's the universe, government, LOA and so on.

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THE ONLY good program / book on visualization and positive psychology I've ever seen and I've seen a lot is psycho-cybernetics. Everything else as far as I'm concerned is wishful thinking and I have yet to see someone who achieved more by using LOA than someone who actually worked hard to do it.

Of course, unless I go into detail, everything I say can be refuted with ease. Just like I can say that there is no purpose to life and take a nihilistic approach to everything (and prove it with examples and reference) so I can say that there is a purpose to life and once again, provide it with examples and references.

However, I consider downright dangerous to write a book and tell people ...

"Leave everything in the care of the universe".

I think more people suffered because of this non-sense than all the economic depressions combined. It's good when you do it for you. In some parts of the world, the national religion is to smoke pot all day. But when you have a wife, kid, kids, people that depend on you and you take such an approach, you are not the good guy anymore.

You are irresponsible and you shouldn't make those around you suffer the consequences of your irrational choices.

I have tried in the past yes and watched the secret a few times years back.To be honest they did not work for me.I fell into a common trap of thinking i cant be happy unless i have y or neeed x to find happiness.When in fact happiness comes from the inside and is not out there in the material world.I find some scenes in the secret point in the direction of having material possessions like cars will make you happy.

I totally agree that science is full of limitations. Think of it this way there are many dimensions that are non physical but science cannot tap into. The spiritual for instance, Institutions are incapable of love because love emanates from a person.

There's an excellent quote from the movie The Secret, I think Bob Proctor said it, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong:

The Law of Attraction is always working, whether you believe it or not!

It's interesting to me that when you disbelieve it, it also works. A mindset of fear, skepticism and negativity often brings you more fear and negativity into your life. But a mindset of joy, positivity, and trust brings you more joy and positivity.

I know this to be so because I lived the fear and negativity mindset for a very long time. I got sick of it and decided to try it another way (it took me years to undo the negative frame of mind, but I eventually did it) and that's when my life changed for the better.

I have some issues with the label "law of attraction" but for the most part, I know it works. My own personal life is a clear example of it.

@RogozRazvan, I can see that you are open minded, yet a pragmatist.

You have based your conclusions on everything you have observed. If everything is going great for you and everything is rocking for your IM business, you don't need to spend too much time on this mindset, self-improvement board. The fact you are here tells me you are open to learn.

Here is what I strongly suggest to you. You saw my graphic with the teacup? Let not your teacup be full. Because then you cannot be open to be shown something different.

I am asking for 15 minutes of your time as an experiment. Start reading my materials by following the link with an open mind please.

I believe you are going to find it a very interesting experiment. If after 15 mins, if you like it, read some more.

After this experiment either tell me that it is the biggest bunch of crap or you'll tell me your world view has shifted. I feel it will be the latter.

You have read a lot of books with an open mind so please do what I am saying with an open mind. Then let's talk some more. Thanks.

The other thing I want to add here is I have learned from a few millionaires and they also recommend creating a business out of your passions. That is exactly what I believe. There is nothing wrong in teaching people that. If you get some time, please see my Passion Directory or PassionDir project.

The peace of mind and encouragement that LOA gives me is incredible but I was confused and stressed when, on the same forum, few people commented that LOA is just a marketing term to attract potential readers. Is it like that?
I believe even this law doesn't work, it just motivates us. If we follow any particular religion, we are always taught about expecting good outcomes and pray for them which in LOA is similar to visualize the outcomes.

I find it interesting that quite a lot of money is poured into selling you the idea of LOA,Who feels that they have so much to gain from "selling you the idea"? Unless they collect the money from the sale...it would seem a few purchases on bob proctors website would prove very expensive indeed.