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Just thought I would this interesting theory!!

If you want to become an expert in your field, be that art, sport or business - you can. Contrary to popular belief, it's not always innate genius or talent that will make you a success, it's the hours that you put in, which means that ANYONE can do it.

This is the idea that it takes approximately 10000 Hours of deliberate practice to master a skill.

For instance, it would take 10 years of practicing 3 hours a day to become a master in your subject. It would take approximately 5 years of full-time employment to become proficient in your field. Simply work out how many hours you have already achieved and calculate how far you need to go. You should be aiming for 10000 hours.
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  • Profile picture of the author AfteraDream
    I tend to believe this too. With this much hours put into it you must have learned a freakin' lot. Done lots of mistakes and learned from them too. You had to persist and developed will power bigger than others. And from the outside this looks like a natural thing to others, but you worked you as.s off to get where you are now...
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  • Profile picture of the author aparadekto
    I believe you shouldn't limit your hours per day, it limits your creativity occurence factor. Let go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr_Cheese
    Time investment is important, yeah. But so many other things matter as well.

    Don't agree with the 10000 hours = master etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author D89
    Concentrated time is very important to master anything. However, I dont know about your 10k hours. How did you come up with that figure?
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielFonda
    Very believable. But I usually start work even after a 100 hours and than just gain the exp. along the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author delirious
    Time investment is important. But time management is equally important. Hence, planning your day is leads the road to success
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  • Profile picture of the author shermancox
    Personally, I think it is true that 10,000 hours will make you an expert...but I also think that you can become an expert much faster than that. Really if you read 2-3 books on a subject you know more about that subject than the vast majority of people out there. You could then at least talk to novices.

    I understand your point that ANYONE can become an expert and that it is not innate genius. That is a good and important point, but I also think it is important not to fall into the trap of waiting until you have 10,000 hours to begin making a contribution in your chosen niche'. Read a couple of good books on the subject and start contributing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon Ashari
    Interesting theory. One I happen to believe in, at least to a degree.

    just wondering. Where did you find that theory?

    regards

    Simon
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  • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
    I agree with what Sherman has to say. There is no rule that once you've reached 10,000 hours you're an expert! There are also things you can become "expert" in much faster. It is a good idea to start exploring a niche (and contributing, like Sherman said) and as you do so, you'll gain much of the experience you need.
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  • Profile picture of the author bolarare
    your views are relevant,but i don't agree 100% to that.i believe to be successful at the 10,000 hours is not the success end,expert in the realm of success believe is a journey,until you get to the success end but mind you there is no end to sucess in life.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmorgan
      Time is one factor in becoming an expert but it will be modified by other factors. Someone using accelerated learning methods, for example, will master a language a lot quicker than someone using other methods. Our belief systems also limit what is possible. If you believe it has to take 10,000 hours to become an expert, it will probably be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      People used to believe it take a very long time to cure a phobia. But then Richard Bandler came along and showed it could be done in 5 minutes!
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  • Profile picture of the author holdem8
    The whole 10,000 hour thingy is highlighted in detail in the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. Excellent theory and I agree with him.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odhinn
    I am with Sherman and Jenn, especially when you consider that some people can do a whole lot more in the course of an hour than others can. Besides, what constitutes "doing"? Is it a question of reading about something, or actually doing it? Reading a book might be nice, but doing that alone won't ever help you become a marathon runner, fantastic basketball star, or even an expert writer.
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  • Profile picture of the author DukeNasty
    10,000 hours just seems so arbitrary. Why not 9,993 hours? Why not 9,500 hours? Just seems like a nice round number. I have read Gladwell's book where he makes this assertion, and I think this type of effort will surely lead to success, but how do you explain those that don't have this many hours of time invested yet have mastery of a skill?

    E.
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    • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
      You can become proficient at marketing a business in considerably
      less that 10,000 hours. If making money is your goal there are
      plenty of opportunities to do it that do not require that kind
      of time investment to learn the skills - this is not to say there
      is no mastery factor.

      If you wanted to be really, really good guitar player 1000 hours
      will have you on the road. By the time you reach 10,000 you'll
      have developed a deep technical proficiency and intuitive understanding
      of musical structure and composition - even without ever reading
      a book on theory or having formal instruction; yet there is no
      end to the process of mastering the instrument.

      The main thing for me is to develop a sincere, even passionate
      interest in the skills that will take me where I want to go - and
      as skills grow one becomes more efficient and applying the skills
      becomes more engaging because successful results become the
      norm.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
        10,000 hours? That is WAY to long. Plus who has 3 hours plus a day while working a full time job? Not many people.

        I think you could spent an hour a day for a year and be far better off than most. Heck even if you just did it for a couple of months you'd be 10 times better than the average person.

        Want to become an expert - you can do it in far less time that that. I would set aside 100 hours and you'll be more proficient that most by then.

        Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author Revolves
    The amount of time it would take you to master a subject is the amount of time it takes, nothing more, nothing less. Remember, the ability to learn and thus master something is a subject in it's own. It really doesn't matter "what" you're trying to learn. What matters is "how".

    This doesn't mean I disagree with "10,000 Hour Rule" completely. But not everything takes that much time. Let's say a someone teaches me how to make money online from scratch, and asks me to strictly follow the instructions, I might start making dollars within a week.

    The reason people take more or less time in, say, Internet Marketing, is that they try to learn many things assuming them to be pre-requisites, while they might not be. A newbie might want to make quick bucks by creating a simple blog. While a fairly decent programmer might FIRST want to expand his skills to a new level thinking it would help in his IM carrier. He could have simultaneously done what the newbie did, which many don't.

    In the above example, the programmer thought his programming skills and his ability to make money online were the same thing. But hey, they're different subjects all together.

    Never take your eye off the goal, and that would give you the accurate measurement of what it takes to get there.

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    • Profile picture of the author DukeNasty
      Originally Posted by romanus View Post

      Yep it's true.

      If you want to be a real player at something.... and REALLY know it inside out, it takes 10,000 hours or 10 years.

      Then how do you explain young athletic phenoms with much less years of experience? What about elementary school kids who are piano or violin masterminds? Didn't Bill Gates invent Microsoft out of thin air with virtually only his teen years as the investment? If the 10,000 hour or 10 year rule is in fact true, then the vast majority of the internet gurus are in fact scammers because most don't fulfill the experience requirements!

      Sure, 10,000 hours or 10 years CAN lead to mastery, but it doesn't necessarily make it a fundamental truth. :rolleyes:

      E.
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      • Profile picture of the author archivefive
        Originally Posted by DukeNasty View Post

        Then how do you explain young athletic phenoms with much less years of experience? What about elementary school kids who are piano or violin masterminds? Didn't Bill Gates invent Microsoft out of thin air with virtually only his teen years as the investment? If the 10,000 hour or 10 year rule is in fact true, then the vast majority of the internet gurus are in fact scammers because most don't fulfill the experience requirements!
        Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers discusses Bill Gates. Gladwell describes in detail how Bill Gates spent thousands of hours on late nights and weekends programming as a teenager. Plus, Gladwell points out that Gates went to a private school that had a computer long before other schools did. Gladwell argues that Gates' early access to computers helped him reach his 10,000 earlier than others.

        Gladwell talks about athetic phenoms too. Turns out there are *documented statistics* that many of the phenoms -- such as Canadian hockey players -- were born early in their birth year, meaning they were taller and more developed compared to their later born peers.
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  • Profile picture of the author tradermike2008
    Read ten books - the right ten books - about a subject and you'll be an "expert." I read lots of books and for the things I do for a living I could point to ten key books that if someone read and understood would make them an "expert."

    Goes for trading what I do for a living and I think for marketing too. Of course after reading the books you need experience so that is where the time factor comes in.

    But some things don't require experience. For instance in a previous life I was in a phd history program. You can take ten books about a historical topic and be on par with top scholars on a historical subject if you read the right ten books - and think about them, understand them, and connect them together. What happens is that in a field there are usually about ten key books and all of the other books are just inspired by them or trying to argue against them.
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    • I read and heard about this 10,000 hour rule a few years ago, and while trying to work out how many hours I had spent at my particular field, a subtle twist to this popped into my head which I share with you now, as this is the PSYCHOlogy section.

      10,000 hours to become a master is about 4 hours per day, every day for 7 years.

      Q? How many people, how many of you, have spent at least 4 hours in a day, almost everyday, for a good number of years doubting and questioning yourself and your abilities?

      How many people have mastered the art of depressing themselves in 7 years?

      Thoughts and feedback welcome...
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  • Profile picture of the author 1 Marketing
    I acknowledge the theory 100%

    Most of us start learn new things motivatedly. At start they spend more and more time in achieving excellance. But as the time goes on and one get's a bit knowledge of the subject. He looses motivation.

    So if you want to succeed keep your self reminding that you are on the early brinks of a long ladder. What ever you do, complete your 10,000 hrs flight, before analyzing your achievements.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
      I was doing some more thinking about this today during my MMA class. I think the number should be about a 10th of what it is to be honest. I think if anyone invest 1000 hours into something they are an expert in it. For instance my fighting style it takes two years to get. I am guessing that I will put in 1000 hours before I get my black belt.

      At any rate it is good to see the big picture and that everything can't be mastered overnight.

      Tim
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      • Profile picture of the author tinbum
        There is merit to the idea but I believe expert status can be achieved faster if when you apply yourself to learning something with the intention of teaching it you have a far greater understanding and depth of knowledge.

        Passion for what you are doing is also important. If you love what you do the time you spend becomes irrelevant.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana Forsythe
    Wow.. very interesting! :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Achilles1963
      I believe in the concept, not necessarily any arbitrary number of hours... I personally have been studying 8-10 hrs/day 7 days a week at a local college on public access computers.
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