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Grit More Important Than IQ When It Comes To Success

by goindeep
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We know that anyone can master anything if they do it for 10,000 hours or more, so this was no surprise to me, but still a good article.

MacArthur ‘genius’ Angela Duckworth on the importance of grit

#grit #important #success
  • Profile picture of the author joesfortune
    It's kind of stereotyping. Floyd Mayweather has both grit and IQ. But I wonder if these will help him successfully manage one of Fortune's 500 corporations?
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by joesfortune View Post

      It's kind of stereotyping. Floyd Mayweather has both grit and IQ. But I wonder if these will help him successfully manage one of Fortune's 500 corporations?
      I don't think its that at all.

      Did you know that many successful millionaires have no college education and some of them can barely read or write!

      The best business people are realists and people that have tasted the highs and lows life has to offer. Not some kid who read books about it then landed a middle management role and then successfully kissed ass until they made him the general manager well into his 50's.
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    The courage and resolve displayed by Internet Marketers is a good example of grit. I liked the TED talk presentation. Very uplifting.

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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    Certainly taking action at a certain point is the only way to produce results. And even at a few select points any action is better. Only this is like saying I could make millions by determination only – which isn’t true. If it were true then fast food workers and roller derbies would be making millions. It is the pairing or work with smart that goes over well in the success charts. One without the other goes slightly skiwampus.

    Obviously savvy street smarts producing more successful people than academia is your point. Sure Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard but he certainly didn’t stop learning about computers or how to dominate the market place which are still signs of a high IQ.

    These days people are realizing more and more that EQ – your emotional IQ is what really matters. It is your ability to develop successful relationships that leads to success more often than book smarts.
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    • Profile picture of the author cajtrixie
      Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

      Only this is like saying I could make millions by determination only - which isn't true. If it were true then fast food workers and roller derbies would be making millions.

      I don't know if I'd agree with this part. I mean, a lot of fast food workers don't want to be fast food workers; there's not much to learn there even if they wanted to, and the highest they could go would be a branch manager.

      If they had grit, they might study business and take over a franchise, but most aren't that motivated, and those who are don't stay in fast food; they move on to whatever jobs they want to go into. If someone stays in fast food, it's usually because they don't want to leave, or won't try for something "better".


      Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

      It is the pairing or work with smart that goes over well in the success charts. One without the other goes slightly skiwampus.
      Being "smart" does help, definitely, but there are SO many different kinds of intelligence. You don't need to be smart to succeed (depending on your definition of "smart"); you need to have a desire to go further than you are, to recognize your strengths, and to figure out how to leverage them to take you where you want to go.


      Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

      These days people are realizing more and more that EQ - your emotional IQ is what really matters. It is your ability to develop successful relationships that leads to success more often than book smarts.
      This is true. There's a reason that there's a stereotype about geniuses sectioning themselves off from the world. Book smarts without people skills are usually alienating to those who don't know as much as the "smart" person does. But, if the "smart" person can use their intelligence to help others, they will often be seen as someone to know, and they will develop relationships quickly, should they want to. Again, this is an example of leveraging your good traits.

      Plus, knowing people is always helpful. A lot of job positions are achieved by the friend of a friend. ^_~ lol
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      • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
        Originally Posted by cajtrixie View Post

        I don't know if I'd agree with this part. I mean, a lot of fast food workers don't want to be fast food workers; there's not much to learn there even if they wanted to, and the highest they could go would be a branch manager.

        If they had grit, they might study business and take over a franchise, but most aren't that motivated, and those who are don't stay in fast food; they move on to whatever jobs they want to go into. If someone stays in fast food, it's usually because they don't want to leave, or won't try for something "better".



        Being "smart" does help, definitely, but there are SO many different kinds of intelligence. You don't need to be smart to succeed (depending on your definition of "smart"); you need to have a desire to go further than you are, to recognize your strengths, and to figure out how to leverage them to take you where you want to go.




        This is true. There's a reason that there's a stereotype about geniuses sectioning themselves off from the world. Book smarts without people skills are usually alienating to those who don't know as much as the "smart" person does. But, if the "smart" person can use their intelligence to help others, they will often be seen as someone to know, and they will develop relationships quickly, should they want to. Again, this is an example of leveraging your good traits.

        Plus, knowing people is always helpful. A lot of job positions are achieved by the friend of a friend. ^_~ lol
        So it has come to my attention that fast food places are making millions. My mistake. Is there not much to learn there for the employees? They could probably learn one of the most important lessons in life - Get out! Grit is motivation. They are the same thing. It is the determination to do something about it. Could they do better with some help, money, and education? Absolutely, but since they aren't doing it well now, are they worth the risk? For a charity - definitely. But how many bloggers are sending out free laptops to Africa to help them read their blog? It is vastly important to know whether someone needs some seed capital or just some good education.

        Yes, I said being smart does help. You have to, well, you said, "You don't need to be smart to succeed (depending on your definition of "smart"); you need to have a desire to go further than you are, to recognize your strengths, and to figure out how to leverage them to take you where you want to go."

        That sounds very smart to me while not being to smart. Most successful people are of average intelligence. Once an IQ starts to go above 150 they start to lose their people skills and their income starts to decline. I know so many smart people who just sit around all day arguing over who is right. What a waste. Be smart but not too smart about it.

        Ya, most jobs are filled by word of mouth. But who wants a job? Aren't we here to do our own business? Of course your point is still valid. Most clients come to us the easiest through word of mouth.

        What else you got?

        Is it time to stop learning and start acting?
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        • Profile picture of the author YHmuWong
          Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post


          That sounds very smart to me while not being to smart. Most successful people are of average intelligence. Once an IQ starts to go above 150 they start to lose their people skills and their income starts to decline. I know so many smart people who just sit around all day arguing over who is right. What a waste. Be smart but not too smart about it.
          Prolly me.Maybe because of the basic paranoia of education.I just can't get it how not to be too smart about it. :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
            Originally Posted by YHmuWong View Post

            Prolly me.Maybe because of the basic paranoia of education.I just can't get it how not to be too smart about it. :confused:
            Well, if you are going to be heart surgeon or even get a PhD in something to further your career then it would be good to get very acedemic or book smart. But look at the wealthy people. More often they are in business arenas rather than science or technical details.
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            • Profile picture of the author YHmuWong
              Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

              Well, if you are going to be heart surgeon or even get a PhD in something to further your career then it would be good to get very acedemic or book smart. But look at the wealthy people. More often they are in business arenas rather than science or technical details.
              Thanks for telling me the truth. I rather settle for less.I just realized today that I am not either anti-education or pro-education.It is just a personal choice.Well I guess it is time to pursue for a nonsense degree or sorts to get myself on track.I wondered around for money for about a year or two.Now it is time to just read something that has no application value(aka public education).
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    Thanks for sharing the video. I do agree that grit is more important than IQ when it comes to success. You can be the smartest person in the world but if you're lazy and/or afraid of hard work then you can be beat out by the low IQ guy that has a relentless work ethic.

    It's the same as having talent with no work ethic. It's great to have talent but without a decent work ethic that talent can easily go to waste.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Fame
      This has been debated to death.

      My opinion is this: IQ gives you a headstart... Grit takes it further.

      It's the classic example of the tortoise and the hare fable. If the hare was willing to grit its way through when it had a headstart, there's probably no way the tortoise could have caught up to the hare.

      Another possibility is that grit allows you to test more options as compared to IQ - which probably filters out a ton of them.

      But given the readiness of information and its availability through technology, I doubt you really need that high of an IQ to succeed. All you need to know is how to be resourceful and find the right method.

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  • Profile picture of the author Anton Yulianto
    The courage and resolve displayed by Internet Marketers is a good example
    EQ – your emotional IQ is what really matters to develop successful relationships that leads to success
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