Suffering And Turmoil

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“How Suffering And Turmoil Liberates The Human Mind …”

The Buddha taught that the origin of suffering is “attachment.”

We all have “psychological attachments” that include our ambitions, beliefs, knowledge, past achievements, success, career, roles, possessions, and so on. These attachments are a structure that supports the ego and we use them to feel stronger, more secure, and give us a sense of (illusionary) importance.

Through suffering and turmoil these attachments become broken and with them the ego breaks down too. Like a fragile building without any scaffolding the ego comes crashing down. However if we let go and accept our predicament this emotional breakdown can transform from one of desolation to liberation.

By dissolving the ego, and reaching a state of “detachment” you become desireless and in touch with your “Higher Self.” (In Buddhism this can be accomplished through meditation.)

Rather than a breakdown you have what might be called a break-up. (A temporary shift to a higher level of being and “consciousness.”) Often with psychological disorders the “self-system” dissolves so that it can it can no longer perform normal functions.

With higher states of consciousness, though, there is still a sense of “self” however it's a different kind of self. Rather than breaking apart, it re-formed itself. Rather than disintegrating, it reacted to the intense stress by reintegrating itself.

With the ego and psychological attachments dissolved suddenly the flood gates open and the “Higher Self” is free to flow through your mind.

This “Higher Self” is our truest, deepest nature: Where true happiness stems from.

You experience it temporally like after meditation or being in contact with nature. Our superficial ego seems to be imposed on top of it like a layer of ice over a lake in winter. And through suffering (and freedom from “attachment”) you can experience your true essence.

I've personally had these “breakup” experiences several times.

I'm much, much less involved with my ego. I find happiness with the most simple of things. And I no longer have that negative voice inside my head. I also have a wonderful sense of accomplishment considering everything I've been through. (That's a post for another time.)



If you would like to experience being free from ego and attachment, and experiencing more of your “Higher Self” then consider Buddhist meditation. For more information how suffering can be the catalyst in everyday people for “enlightenment” consider reading: “Out Of The Darkness: From Turmoil To Transformation.”
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    hello ,

    as i have walked this path and learned how deep the problem of attachment is ..

    many people get so attached to the immagined feeling of what they want ..it become proffered to leave it in their imaginations than to make the effort to make it a reality and risk the reality falling far short .

    so we suffer because we walk around with our imagines full of better thing we never try to make a reality ..and it make the reality much harder to deal with ..so then one must meditate to touch the higher self ..or clear the frustration.

    put a zen master through an advanced driving course .. and put him/her in any fast car they like ..and they will drive it and have as much fun as any one ..but when they are done driving . they file the experience and go on to the next experience .

    no need to own the car .. no need to have built up expectation in order to drive the car .. no need to have any negative feeling because they may never drive that car again .

    the world we live in is packed with potential to have an endless string of great experiences ..but we are so attached to the suffering we go through every day..and invested in dreams we are not trying to make real .. we lock ourselves in .

    there is a reason nearly every grate sage buddah jesus and probably every one whos writing you read today..had to leave where the grew up and get away from their families and where they grew up .

    because the people around you have their own attached ideas who who you are ..that it is nearly impossible to change
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  • Profile picture of the author TerryX
    The less attached we are the more create and flexible we can be with life. When some is overly attached they can be narrow minded and not open to new and better ways. Thus the suffering IMO.

    Also IMO we can't be "free" of ego, we need it to interface with people and the world, What I think we can do is realize the tool ego is and that it is not the real us, the whole gateless gate thing. When we know this then we can make the ego into any tool we choose...But what chooses
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by TerryX View Post

      The less attached we are the more create and flexible we can be with life. When some is overly attached they can be narrow minded and not open to new and better ways. Thus the suffering IMO.

      Also IMO we can't be "free" of ego, we need it to interface with people and the world, What I think we can do is realize the tool ego is and that it is not the real us, the whole gateless gate thing. When we know this then we can make the ego into any tool we choose...But what chooses
      reprogramming the ego.. and giving it the task it is meant for ..is important .

      the kill the ego stuff is not accurate ..if you assume ego is bad or negative ..when it is something we need for a basis of who we are ..

      the problem is we grow up and our egos are trained to base who we are or the image of who we are off what other people think about us . and what others value us for

      when we hunker down ..and chose who we are and how we will be valued ..it is then up to us to line the ego up with that ..
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      • Profile picture of the author TerryX
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        reprogramming the ego.. and giving it the task it is meant for ..is important .

        the kill the ego stuff is not accurate ..if you assume ego is bad or negative ..when it is something we need for a basis of who we are ..

        the problem is we grow up and our egos are trained to base who we are or the image of who we are off what other people think about us . and what others value us for

        when we hunker down ..and chose who we are and how we will be valued ..it is then up to us to line the ego up with that ..
        I agree, it can be a powerful assist when focused and trained to serve I like the word "reprogrammed"
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by TerryX View Post

      When some is overly attached they can be narrow minded and not open to new and better ways. Thus the suffering IMO.
      Good point TerryX.

      The suffering I'm talking about in my post is the kind that Eckhart Tolle (“The Power Of Now”) went through before he had his “enlightenment experience.” Basically, emotional and spiritual suffering accompanied by pain and turmoil.

      However, there are other definitions of “suffering.”

      This time last year I was in Hospital after having something of an emotional breakdown. And it has been beneficial in liberating my mind. I used to be trapped and controlled by my ego and now I'm free of it. (In the sense that it doesn't control me.)
      : )
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    when the ego..as it normally work.. is trying to get you to keep up a false image projected to the rest of the world..in an attempt to make people believe you are important or what ever ..

    it eventually wears you out .

    my ego has been retrained to only care about how people value what i do.. and how they return that value .
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    • Profile picture of the author TerryX
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      r ..

      it eventually wears you out .

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      Yes, that it does when allowed to grow beyond itself. I had one of those long dark nights of the soul 10 years ago.
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      • Congratulations on your breakthroughs. The beauty of it all is the relativity of it. Each person experiences or does not experience his personal break throughs individually. Yet, each authentic break through can and will be experienced in a completely intimate way for each and every one to whom this happens. This way everyone has a separate story to tell of that special experience. It's the way it works best.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        Originally Posted by TerryX View Post

        I had one of those long dark nights of the soul 10 years ago.
        Did you experience any “transformation” because of it? (Just curious : )

        I find it amazing how the human mind reintegrates itself to a higher state of functioning after periods of intense turmoil.
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        • Profile picture of the author TerryX
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Did you experience any “transformation” because of it? (Just curious : )

          I find it amazing how the human mind reintegrates itself to a higher state of functioning after periods of intense turmoil.
          Yes, in a personally profound way, It was like being one of those old time switchboards with all the wires and having them all pulled out at once. Then over the next three or so years I choose what ones I felt were important enough to put back in place.

          My whole life changed, I stopped chasing things that didn't make me happy ( but for some reason I thought would). Focused more on what mattered to me.

          It was like everything in my life went to another level.
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    hello dear.
    i am new user for forum posting so kindly send me best site for guideline thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Originally Posted by rosyhyden View Post

      I am new user for forum posting so kindly send me best site for guideline thanks.
      A couple of good books are:

      1. The Power of Now (Eckhart Tolle)
      And
      2. Out of the Darkness: From Turmoil to Transformation (Steve Taylor)
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  • Profile picture of the author Reckoned
    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

    “How Suffering And Turmoil Liberates The Human Mind …”

    The Buddha taught that the origin of suffering is “attachment.”

    We all have “psychological attachments” that include our ambitions, beliefs, knowledge, past achievements, success, career, roles, possessions, and so on. These attachments are a structure that supports the ego and we use them to feel stronger, more secure, and give us a sense of (illusionary) importance.

    Through suffering and turmoil these attachments become broken and with them the ego breaks down too. Like a fragile building without any scaffolding the ego comes crashing down. However if we let go and accept our predicament this emotional breakdown can transform from one of desolation to liberation.

    By dissolving the ego, and reaching a state of “detachment” you become desireless and in touch with your “Higher Self.” (In Buddhism this can be accomplished through meditation.)

    Rather than a breakdown you have what might be called a break-up. (A temporary shift to a higher level of being and “consciousness.”) Often with psychological disorders the “self-system” dissolves so that it can it can no longer perform normal functions.

    With higher states of consciousness, though, there is still a sense of “self” however it's a different kind of self. Rather than breaking apart, it re-formed itself. Rather than disintegrating, it reacted to the intense stress by reintegrating itself.

    With the ego and psychological attachments dissolved suddenly the flood gates open and the “Higher Self” is free to flow through your mind.

    This “Higher Self” is our truest, deepest nature: Where true happiness stems from.

    You experience it temporally like after meditation or being in contact with nature. Our superficial ego seems to be imposed on top of it like a layer of ice over a lake in winter. And through suffering (and freedom from “attachment”) you can experience your true essence.

    I've personally had these “breakup” experiences several times.

    I'm much, much less involved with my ego. I find happiness with the most simple of things. And I no longer have that negative voice inside my head. I also have a wonderful sense of accomplishment considering everything I've been through. (That's a post for another time.)



    If you would like to experience being free from ego and attachment, and experiencing more of your “Higher Self” then consider Buddhist meditation. For more information how suffering can be the catalyst in everyday people for “enlightenment” consider reading: “Out Of The Darkness: From Turmoil To Transformation.”
    Dear Jonathan,

    Alas, what you are experiencing is but a budding towards the road of enlightenment. Enlightenment is not a fruit to be obtained - it cannot be compartmentalized as a concept - but it is immediately evident.

    Firstly, rid yourself of the word "Self".

    The Buddha says that we must adopt Right View. Having a sense of Self, a sense of No Self, a sense of existence of the sense of Self, a sense of the non-existence of the sense of Self is truly erroneous.

    All of that does not matter. What matters is you understand the meaning of dependent origination. Everything arises from conditions. Everything is a chain of cause and effect. Many things lead to many things.

    As such, your identity - or even the concept of a Higher self - is yet another illusion. Another impermanence.

    There is no removal of a Self - because it was a contradiction from the first place. If it did not exist and is an illusion, how can one remove it? If it is not Truth, how can one perceive it without hallucinating?

    There is no annihilation. There is no striving. That is Right Effort.

    I highly recommend a very good book for you: Buddhism Plain and Simple: Steve Hagen:...Buddhism Plain and Simple: Steve Hagen:...
    This is one of the most concise and accurate books I have ever seen on the topic of Buddhism. Buddhism, on the mundane level, appears to be what is "moral" - but you need to be able to understand, to reach the level of Seeing, in order to know what constitutes after. That is where you reach the Supermundane, on top of the mundane.

    There are many people who have falsely interpreted the meanings of the discourses by placing their own fabrications into the discourses. Speech is but filtered consciousness. One can only experience Truth by experiencing it. A master can only show you the water, but only an awakened one will scoop the water from the river to drink.

    You might also want to Google the first 4 verses of discourses of what the Buddha really said. From there, you need to understand Dependent Origination. Then each meaning of the Eightfold Path and 4 Noble Truths will mean more to you.

    Hope it helps you.

    With compassion,
    Reckoned.


    PS. In order to remove the concept of a "Self" from your mind, meditate on the thought:

    A body was a sex cell.
    A body was a blastocyst.
    A body was a fetus.
    A body was a child.
    A body was an adolescent.
    A body was a teenager.
    A body will be just an adult.
    A body will grow of old age.
    A body will die.
    A body will decompose.

    At every single instance, there was a sense of "Self". But if the Self of you now, and the Self of you when you were younger is not the same... How can it be called "you"? It has arisen from conditions. It is impermanent.

    What is only constant and unchanged is the ability to watch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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      Hey Reckoned.

      Thanks for the advice and book suggestion. : )
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      • That is such a Beautiful post with a lot of great meaning.
        I also believe the more we are able to actually be fully pre-sent in the now,
        we can actually be more at peace and live in a state of being that is more graceful. I was told this quote by an elderly lady who was very ill in hospital but she had such a strong and happy spirit. She said:
        "Yesterday was history, tomorrow is a mystery, all we have is the present"

        I have never forgotten her words.
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