Think And Grow Rich Creator Went Broke Moments before Death!!!

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I was reading on napolean hill and i stated to notice a trend. Alot of people were questioning whether his teachings were worthwhile because it is said that he actually went broke before he died.

Is there any truth to those allegations?

And if it is true...does that change the way you see his teachings??
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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    I don't know how he used that in context, but I do know that Rich Dad Poor Dad's author went bankrupt, as did Donald Trump and most of the richest people you know about.

    I don't remember who it was, possibly Robert Kiosaki that said his family threw a party for him when he had his first bankruptcy.

    Even in this MMO market, crash and burn means, go find another plane and get it off the ground as quickly as possible.

    So, the question is, did he go bankrupt just before he died? Or did he do it during his growing up, so to speak?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      "moments before death"???

      Hill died at age 87 so that's questionable. In fact, while some people claim he went broke before he died - another groups claims that's not true.

      Maybe he outlived his money?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dain Supero
    Who cares?

    His method works.

    The end.
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    • Profile picture of the author C G
      Originally Posted by Dain Supero View Post

      Who cares?

      His method works.

      The end.
      Agree.. He changed my life and this is all that counts for me.

      On the other end. Most of the new age gurus in the self help industry have based their work on Think and grow rich.

      So if Napoleon Hill was wrong.. Hmm.. We are in deep ****

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      • Profile picture of the author IntuitiveMonkey
        "Think and Grow Rich" is a nice catchy title that attracts people's attention. However that is not exactly the truth.

        "Feel and Grow Rich" is closer to the truth.

        "Increase your awareness and start to mold and sculpt your inner energies and grow rich" is the most accurate.
        (See my other WF post about exactly how to do this here).
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        • Profile picture of the author Dain Supero
          Originally Posted by IntuitiveMonkey View Post

          "Think and Grow Rich" is a nice catchy title that attracts people's attention. However that is not exactly the truth.

          "Feel and Grow Rich" is closer to the truth.

          "Increase your awareness and start to mold and sculpt your inner energies and grow rich" is the most accurate.
          (See my other WF post about exactly how to do this here).
          Or perhaps something a bit more accurate (and concise):

          Believe and Grow Rich

          Or perhaps we should let greatness rest and find more productive things to do than trying to tweak the title of such a classic and debating whether its author went bankrupt or not.

          This thread was doomed to failure the second it was conceived.
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          • Profile picture of the author IntuitiveMonkey
            @Dain Supero, yes I agree with you because there's so many people loyal to TAGR and have benefited from it greatly.

            However one point,

            Beliefs are simply thoughts that are thunk over and over again, so that you feel there is truth to them. You don't question the truth of them anymore. And many of them become hidden over time and form the basis of your experiences. So you may have hundreds of subconscious beliefs inside you that you have not even become aware of as yet.

            Learning to be more aware and gaining control over your energies is somewhat different and more powerful in my experience. However they are related topics and I have used both.

            To learn more about your Life energies and how to have greater control over them, see here
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      • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
        I don't see going bankrupt as a reason to discredit Napoleon Hill's teachings.

        I would rather go bankrupt in the pursuit of wealth, than to sit back, be average, and put my financial success in the hands of the government.
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        • Profile picture of the author coluden
          Amen! Many of the people who inspire us, did not stay true to their own principles every single day of their lives. Many had slip-ups, some failures, and moments when they doubted themselves. It is only human.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    He was saved by Clement Stone. He offered him a job at his firm.

    This doesn't mean he was wrong. It means just that he just sucked at investing his money.

    Tesla had fallen into the same trap and yet, a lot of what we see today is his legacy.

    This argument is used a lot to counter anything Hill related (that he died poor). Yes, towards the end of his life he has fallen in poverty (poverty relative to what he had before, not poverty as everyone else) and he was saved by Stone.

    Yet, Donald Trump did this too, Tony Robbins, virtually every person I know. Had he lived 20 more years, he would have recovered.

    PS: Moments before dead?

    What, he was dying, his family around him and his banker called him to let him know that he is bankrupt? He was in financial struggles, from what I can recall, about 10 years before he died but he recovered.
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  • Profile picture of the author Z1
    I think what he taught helped millions of people become more financially secure and aware. I know for me reading his book and listening to his audio tapes were inspiring, educational and motivational.

    Creating wealth and holding on to it are two different subjects and should not be confused. As mentioned already by others many business people struggle to keep and maintain wealth they created. They may use bankruptcy as a tool , that does not mean their ideas are failures or not valid. That does not mean they are not credible or worthy of listening too.

    If you listened and learned from a great mountain climber. Who climbed Mt. Everest and helped many, many others get to the top but later he himself died on a climb. Would that make all of his years of experience and teaching worthless? I don't think so.

    Sometimes it is best to separate the person from the message. And judge the message and not the person. For example Tony Robbins is known for being an expert or relationship's among other things, yet he had a divorce.........Is what he has taught on relationships now not valid because he failed at that relationship. Again I don't think so.

    No one in this world is perfect. We all fail and struggle at time's. Judge the message, judge the information and forgive a good person for his inability to be perfect.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    It takes one bad phone call or decision to go broke.
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    • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      It takes one bad phone call or decision to go broke.
      Not really.

      Our failures are generally repeated errors in judgement.

      Yes, it takes one time drinking and driving to lose your life but generally in life, failure is the effect of many small mistakes repeated day by day, not of a single event.

      (this if we exclude cataclysmic errors like the stock market, crime, etc).
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Dan kennedy went into this .

    his line is the book should be called how to think to grow rich

    in the case .. the book is about how to grow rich .. not how to stay rich .

    did hill achieve wealth in his life .. did he also lose it ..yes

    i think in think and grow rich it mentions a deal by some men who ended up becoming some of the richest men ever ..but i believe in a audio lecture i listened to from zig zigler..he mentioned the same deal and that in the years following most of the men either ended up dead broke or in asylums .

    getting rich can be easy staying rich not so much .
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    • Profile picture of the author IntuitiveMonkey
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      getting rich can be easy staying rich not so much .
      This is exactly why I say focus on balancing out your life energies! Here is an answer I wrote for another thread (regarding the emotional issues people face in making, keeping and growing their money). See here.
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  • Profile picture of the author thet
    I never really understood why people are so fanatic about this book.

    Lots of fluffy self help cliche to me but perhaps I am missing the point.
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  • Profile picture of the author smaddoxjr
    Great book to read and Definitely must say it makes sense. On the flip side though their is allot of individuals out their that try to teach methods that doesn't necessarily work for them. Example: There are people who try to teach how to make money but are broke themselves. Go figure,
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