Has The Word 'God' (or Higher Power) Become A Bad Word?

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This came out of another thread, but I thought I should start a new thread with this. This is an important topic for me because I use Higher Power all the time in reference to LOA or mind power, etc.

Originally Posted by Maximus93 View Post

In a logical debate, I find it productive (or at least not reductive) to stay away from the idea of 'God' given that it just creates arguments that can't be resolved.
You might be right about this that mentioning God creates arguments. I wonder why that is. Because it is usually in America and maybe other Western countries that is the case.

I find that in my work with LOA whether I am working with myself or others, it is very helpful and absolutely critical to bring in a reference to some Higher Power, Higher Self, Spirit, God, Nature, Life Force Energy, The Universe, All That Is, The Force (it doesn't matter what you call it). To me it's all the same thing.

So why has God become a bad word? I have lived in America for 30 years but my close friends were always spiritually minded people who used Spirit and Higher Self in their conversation all the time.

I am a big proponent of LOA but it is impossible to use LOA without some reference to some Higher Power or Spirit. In LOA we use energies, and God is the great energy the Great Spirit in my mind. (Even though it is not external to us, it is what we and all that is came out of)

I think the answer to this goes back to America and many parts of our world becoming overly logical / rational / mechanistic / left-brained and totally out of balance.with the parts of us that make us human. (The softer or feminine energies that make us human. I have written about this imbalance in various WF posts. See here.)
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  • Profile picture of the author damiensuccess
    With our history to look back on, God, or whatever you may call your higher has been blamed for war and violence for as long as we know. Realizing this, I try to be without any opinion towards the beliefs of others.

    I think the problem rises through manipulation. The wrong individuals or groups rise to power, and twist the beliefs of those following. Slowly over time, what they believe is now what the followers believe. Hitler keeps coming to my mind for his manipulative ability.


    Personally, I like to follow my own complicated understandings. While doing this, holding peace within my realm of influence. It shouldn't be about what others believe, its about the actions being performed.
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    • Profile picture of the author sjr4x4
      Originally Posted by damiensuccess View Post

      I think the problem rises through manipulation. The wrong individuals or groups rise to power, and twist the beliefs of those following.
      I can't for the life of me find the like button, so if I did, I'd press it damiensuccess

      In this modern age, we are in general a lot more sophisticated in our education, beliefs and understanding. Things like the original concept of Churches being devised as a means to control and communicate to a population. Radical and extremist views of the minority, manipulated by professional talented speakers to provide a convincing argument for a silent majority.

      Whose to say if there is or isn't a god or many gods floating around up there, or if all life is made up of spiritual energy. There's only one way to find out, and no one I know has ever come back to tell me.

      In the UK from my experience, we are not big on religious preaching, and there is a healthy under current of cynicism. Which is why some cultures probably get too much bad press. But Church to a lot of people is simply community, and almost a throw back to simpler times, helping your neighbour, supporting a local cause.

      I don't think the word God has become a bad word, it's just over analysed and abused by media pundits, as it makes easy headlines.
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      • Profile picture of the author damiensuccess
        Originally Posted by sjr4x4 View Post

        I can't for the life of me find the like button, so if I did, I'd press it damiensuccess
        Haha! Pointing out a great perspective.. It is hard to find something if you are looking for the wrong thing.

        It would be the "Thanks" Button you are looking for. Bottom right side of each message.


        Originally Posted by sjr4x4 View Post


        In this modern age, we are in general a lot more sophisticated in our education, beliefs and understanding. Things like the original concept of Churches being devised as a means to control and communicate to a population. Radical and extremist views of the minority, manipulated by professional talented speakers to provide a convincing argument for a silent majority.

        Whose to say if there is or isn't a god or many gods floating around up there, or if all life is made up of spiritual energy. There's only one way to find out, and no one I know has ever come back to tell me.

        I am glad that others see this the same way. The corruption has placed opposite purpose of religion and understandings of higher powers.

        Peace of mind, body, and spirit. An understanding many can grasp for purpose. This is why it should be good to have many beliefs.. So people can go with the belief that best suits them. Not for where they live or the colors of their rainbows.

        If we want to hold faith towards "Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster". Then that we shall
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        • Profile picture of the author IntuitiveMonkey
          Originally Posted by damiensuccess View Post

          The corruption has placed opposite purpose of religion and understandings of higher powers.
          Yes there is tons of corruption, I agree.

          Originally Posted by damiensuccess View Post

          This is why it should be good to have many beliefs.. So people can go with the belief that best suits them.
          We do have many beliefs. People can choose.


          I am still very confused about this topic. Not getting answers.

          In my mind, Spirit or Higher Power does not care whether you believe in it or not. We use Spirit or the Higher Power for our purpose if we want. To gain access to greater FLOW. And move past our current limited human life or ego self. This is not just a belief. We can prove it in our own lives by learning how to work with our life force energies and coming into balance with these energies. I wrote a WF post here about how to do it, that many Warriors are benefiting from. I had several Warriors pm me about it.

          1st question. Do you guys agree that we humans have access to greater power, greater intelligence and greater creativity? Please read my other WF post here first before answering.

          2nd question. Do you agree that we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater by not considering the word God or Spirit or Higher Power to be of any value to us? I agree that we have to throw out the controlling religions and belief systems that force their beliefs down our throats. No issue with that. I threw those out long time ago at an early age. So I'm with you with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author IntuitiveMonkey
      Originally Posted by damiensuccess View Post

      With our history to look back on, God, or whatever you may call your higher has been blamed for war and violence for as long as we know. Realizing this, I try to be without any opinion towards the beliefs of others.

      I think the problem rises through manipulation. The wrong individuals or groups rise to power, and twist the beliefs of those following. Slowly over time, what they believe is now what the followers believe. Hitler keeps coming to my mind for his manipulative ability.

      Personally, I like to follow my own complicated understandings. While doing this, holding peace within my realm of influence. It shouldn't be about what others believe, its about the actions being performed.
      Everything in this world including religion, government, educational system, economic system, medical system, corporations, the big monopolies, etc. is set up to control humans and keep us locked in the matrix or machine. This is becoming very clear to most people.

      In my mind, this is a failing of man. Because man likes to control for his own personal gain.

      However when we talk about LOA or Mind power how can we not talk about the Higher Power? We are talking about a greater power, a greater intelligence, a greater creativity that we gain access to that was not accessible to us before in man's limited or ego self. So we are learning how to tap into the greater energies of the Universe, right? LOA and Higher Power go hand in hand.

      If you don't believe we gain access to a greater power, greater intelligence, greater creativity, read my other WF post here and let's discuss it.

      The Higher Power had nothing to do with controlling or manipulating beliefs in the name of religion. That was some men's doing, for their own benefit.

      So we cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater. We have to throw some controlling religions out but we have to keep Spirit or the Higher Power or energy. That is my take on it.

      Otherwise forget talking about LOA, mind power, spiritual healing or anything like that. You can't have these tools without Spirit or energy. What do you think?
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    I use intuitive monkeys all the time in reference to LOA or mind power, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dain Supero
    When "higher power" denotes some god backed by organized religion, yes, it has become a bad word. The religions are not to blame; we are.

    Where higher power denotes some unifying force or energy, accessible through self-discovery or enlightenment, no, I don't believe it has a become a bad word or term.
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    • Profile picture of the author IntuitiveMonkey
      Originally Posted by Dain Supero View Post

      When "higher power" denotes some god backed by organized religion, yes, it has become a bad word. The religions are not to blame; we are.

      Where higher power denotes some unifying force or energy, accessible through self-discovery or enlightenment, no, I don't believe it has a become a bad word or term.
      It is organized religion that is to blame also. The source may have been spiritual. Like Jesus may have been spiritual (spiritual, not religious). There is nothing to blame in that. But then people formed around it and created organization. Created a religion. Then corruption came as it always does. And then people start believing the corrupted verions and forcing their beliefs down our throats.

      As long as Spirit (or Higher Power) is not a bad word. That is what I was confused about and kind of worried about. Because connection with Spirit is one of the greatest points of transition to allow us to access the higher parts of us, higher power, intelligence, etc. And live in greater balance.

      But I am also finding that since so many are resisting the religions version of God, they are also losing this possibility or understanding that a Higher, better life is possible for them. That they have access to greater power, greater skills they never knew they had (I have discovered tons of skills, abilities & talents through working with this spiritual energy!)

      This is all part of what I call "Smoke and Mirrors" that we live our lives through these days!

      I love this video, because it breaks through the smoke & mirrors very effectively & fast! A large part of the smoke and mirrors is created by an organized belief that the rational / logical mind should rule our lives that this video very effectively shatters.

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  • Profile picture of the author Maximus93
    Since you quoted me it's probably prudent I put in my two cents.

    I do think God has become a bad word personally. I don't really like hearing it in conversation just for the fact it really leads nowhere. It's just not an idea that has any grounding or logical place. It annoys me for that reason.

    I don't mind hearing "divine spirit" or "celestial energy" because they're easier to grasp. God to me is a guy up in the sky who is some sort of puppet master. I don't link the former with the latter and I don't think a lot of other people do either.

    With that said I just don't like debating or running through discourse of philosophy in general. To me it's a form of conversation that just ends with "Well you have your beliefs and I have mine" and that can be done without an entire conversation, it can be done internally without need for words between humans. If two people want to actually solve a problem with philosophy as a tool, great. But talking about the meaning of life is best left to the very ends of a drinking session with close friends.

    It's been said that if two enlightened Zen Masters were to walk up to each other, they would both remain silent because they'd know there was no point in talking. They'd already figured it out and didn't need further validation of that fact.

    I think most people would agree they want to hear the truth. But I think truthfully (ironically) most people would prefer to live the lie.

    So for those reasons I think the term "God" is obsolete and in fact a bit annoying.
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    • Profile picture of the author IntuitiveMonkey
      Originally Posted by Maximus93 View Post

      Since you quoted me it's probably prudent I put in my two cents.

      I do think God has become a bad word personally. I don't really like hearing it in conversation just for the fact it really leads nowhere. It's just not an idea that has any grounding or logical place. It annoys me for that reason.

      I don't mind hearing "divine spirit" or "celestial energy" because they're easier to grasp. God to me is a guy up in the sky who is some sort of puppet master. I don't link the former with the latter and I don't think a lot of other people do either.

      With that said I just don't like debating or running through discourse of philosophy in general. To me it's a form of conversation that just ends with "Well you have your beliefs and I have mine" and that can be done without an entire conversation, it can be done internally without need for words between humans. If two people want to actually solve a problem with philosophy as a tool, great. But talking about the meaning of life is best left to the very ends of a drinking session with close friends.

      It's been said that if two enlightened Zen Masters were to walk up to each other, they would both remain silent because they'd know there was no point in talking. They'd already figured it out and didn't need further validation of that fact.

      I think most people would agree they want to hear the truth. But I think truthfully (ironically) most people would prefer to live the lie.

      So for those reasons I think the term "God" is obsolete and in fact a bit annoying.
      The reason you identify with God as this old man in the sky is because you have been indoctrinated by the religion version of God. I have not.

      The way many spiritual people and I define God is energy pure and simple. Life Force Energy. The Great Spirit (native Amierican). Chi or Ki (Chinese). Prana (Indian) E=MC squared (science).

      So if God is energy, our perspective is not do we worship this or obey this energy as the religionists want you to do. Our perspective is how do we USE this energy to better ourselves and our world. To have greater power, intelligence and creativity. Just like electricity is energy. The point is to learn to use it not worship it. We want to run fans, lights, motors and electronics (with the electricity).

      Here are the words of Brian Tracy regarding this: "Ralph Waldo Emerson said that we live in the lap of an immense intelligence. He described it as an ether that surrounded the Earth like a huge mainframe computer into which everyone of us can tap. This has been called throughout our history as the Oversoul or infinite intelligence or universal subconscious mind. We call it the Super conscious mind. It.is so much vaster than our own intelligence. It is something we use on a random and haphazard basis all the time. Have you ever had the experience of working on a problem or trying to achieve a goal or wrestling with a problem and as you're walking along or driving along, an idea shoots across your mind like a bolt and it's the perfect idea?

      This is like almost unearthly bolts from the blue. They seem to indicate that we have the ability to tap into a different form of intelligence than anything that is taught in the textbooks. By using this superconscious ability we find that we can dramatically improve the quality of our results and move faster towards the achievement of our goals than by using any other human faculty" Brian Tracy has an excellent course on how to do this.

      Now learning how to use this superconscious ability in my perspective is a very natural thing for humans to do. The only reason everyone doesn't do it is because they block themselves from it. Many are afraid to discover how powerful we really are. There is also the smoke and mirrors in our world whose purpose is to keep humans locked in the machine or matrix. Religions and government and educational system and economic system, corporations, etc. etc. they don't want people to understand their power. They want to keep us in the dark. As more and more people demonstrate it that this is possible, more and more will find out that this is a very natural thing to do. Read my WF post "LOA Miracle on Warrior Forum" This is a clear demonstration of how the superconscious mind works! I find when I am using LOA, things work this way all the time. This is definitely not unusual in my personal experience. I am not the only one. I know lots of people who live their lives this way!

      In fact this is how I came up with my username for WF IntuitiveMonkey! Brian Tracy describes these flashes from the superconscious as bolts of lightning. I felt them more as a light monkey jumping in here and there and everywhere and bringing light wherever it goes. I felt this in my life for several months, so I chose this name for WF! It's kind of funny. But it's true! I believe we do have the lamp and the genie if we only allow it! Everyone does! It might take some a while to get there, only because so many people are ingrained in their old thinking habits. The old thinking habits may take a few years or several years to dissipate and make way for the new habits of working with energy. That's ok. Let them take the time. If you keep working with it, I promise you your life is going to become almost miraculous and flowing!
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