Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers......

Dr Dan · 6th Apr 2012, 08:30 AM

We just did a webinar with Jeff and are really excited to offer these mobile apps to our own offline clients.

You are always going to get good and bad comments no matter what the topic is on these forums.

Its like Tim Castleman says, "This forum is like a public toilet... get in... get out... and hope you didnt catch anything!" haha

But seriously... with every product you are going to get some people that just had a bad experience for whatever reason and they feel the need to vent or bash because it makes them feel better.

But its only one side of the story.

Heck... We get some crazy people every now and then that buy our stuff... Request a refund like... "I want a refund because I cant log in to the members area".

We then reply... "You can reset your password and have it emailed to you by clicking on the link right below the login fields which says lost password"

They then reply "WTF!!!!! Maybe you guys are just broke and need to keep all my money... Just give me the FU@k refund NOW!"

Then they go in your sales thread and start saying you are a scamer and shouldnt be trusted!

All I can say is... When reading reviews or comments on these threads... I usually look at how long they have been a member here... post count... past comments... etc

Usually there is a trend... if they offer value and not whine in every post or complain... then I take their comment or input into account.

Just a tip for those of you that use the forum to gather info before making a decision to buy or trust a service or product owner.

mobilemarketer2012 · 9th Apr 2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Dan

We just did a webinar with Jeff and are really excited to offer these mobile apps to our own offline clients.

You are always going to get good and bad comments no matter what the topic is on these forums.

Its like Tim Castleman says, "This forum is like a public toilet... get in... get out... and hope you didnt catch anything!" haha

But seriously... with every product you are going to get some people that just had a bad experience for whatever reason and they feel the need to vent or bash because it makes them feel better.

But its only one side of the story.

Heck... We get some crazy people every now and then that buy our stuff... Request a refund like... "I want a refund because I cant log in to the members area".

We then reply... "You can reset your password and have it emailed to you by clicking on the link right below the login fields which says lost password"

They then reply "WTF!!!!! Maybe you guys are just broke and need to keep all my money... Just give me the FU@k refund NOW!"

Then they go in your sales thread and start saying you are a scamer and shouldnt be trusted!

All I can say is... When reading reviews or comments on these threads... I usually look at how long they have been a member here... post count... past comments... etc

Usually there is a trend... if they offer value and not whine in every post or complain... then I take their comment or input into account.

Just a tip for those of you that use the forum to gather info before making a decision to buy or trust a service or product owner.

Hi Dr. Dan;

Well, I thought this thread was dead, but I see that you chimed in. I'm not sure if your remarks about bashing and whining were aimed at me since you didn't directly state anyone, but I will guess that is what you meant since I am the one who started the thread.

What is interesting to me is that I have been thanked in this thread by many of the people who come on this forum to gather info like me. I really have only been contested or even bashed by a couple of the "gurus" who regularly sell WSO's or make their money selling IM products.

In my opinion, you are at least partially right in saying that this forum is like a public toilet. I believe it is many of the WSO's that are crap!! I come here to get info and give free info when I can in return for the info I have received. I truly believe you can learn as much reading the different forum threads as you can buying WSO's. I am not saying that there aren't good WSO's, but there is a lot of excrement being sold as the next great thing.

Your analogy of some guy wanting a refund for a WSO because he couldn't log in has absolutely no parallel or relation to my original post in this thread so I am not sure why you mentioned it. I made the statement that there is a lot of stuff being sold on here that someone can get for free or cheaper and I used GoMobile as an example. I don't see how giving some advice and providing some evidence is whining.

Just my 2 cents.

vndnbrgj · 9th Apr 2012, 10:29 PM

I had a different twist to this thread....
I attended a webinar for Royal Mobile.
I wanted to find out who they were a reseller for, just because of one of the people running it is shady.
Why did I want to know who the reseller was? Because if this guy jumped ship again, I wanted to know my clients wouldn't get screwed out of their lists, leaving me on the hook...
I tried making a new thread, and the mods didn't let it go through.

I have no problem buying the product, due to the training.
I just want to know their system is based on a reputable platform.

lewisgoolsby · 25th Apr 2012, 08:28 AM

I agree that Biznessapps.com is a cheaper route without all the sales training. I see a lot of non-WF marketers out there promoting their white label or GoMobile platforms. I always view those from a standpoint of what benefit does that particular marketer with them that enhances the product for the uses that interest me. The other big point is who retains the rights to the customer and the apps. Some resellers own the apps because they are through their developer IDs. Not an optimal situation for my business model.

Thanks for the post and information.

Amber Jalink · 3rd May 2012, 08:29 AM

Well I wasn't going to chime in here, but after reading the last couple of posts in particular, I decided I should.

I'm NOT a "ra ra" kind of person, I don't jump on every bandwagon or launch, and I certainly don't promote 90% of the launches I see.

However... I will agree with 2 things here - and disagree with something else.

Agree: Dr Dan - there are many scammers out there, and what you said is totally correct. Often times bashers are people who don't give something a chance, OR they're competitors in some way.

Agree: mobilemarketer2012 - a lot of wso's are crap. However one thing I learned is that while many of them are variations of others, (unless its word for word the same), you can usually pick up at least something useful, a tidbit of new info, or just the way something is worded, it could spark ideas in your own head of a different approach.

What I DON'T like is people who start offers (wso's or whatever), and then fall off the face of the earth till they're ready to promote the next "big thing", like a few are doing in the WSO section. I won't name names. (But no, its not Dr. Dan I'm talking about lol).

Mobilemarketer2012 - Dr. Dan brought that up about the idiot refunder for that exact reason: to point out that not everyone is going to like an offer, or whatever. It was a simple, straightforward point. There have been some incredible offers out there that people will bash - sometimes based on price point, but they have NOT seen the true thing.

Now I'm not here to start any argument at all.

I am a buyer of gomobilesolutions.

I DO know that they are a reseller of the other.

I HAVE found another system that I will be developing rather than using GMS, so that I have a more proprietary system.

** However ** - the reason I DID go with gms - is (as I think someone else mentioned):

1) Their support team is usually very quick to respond. (I have never had a question or ticket take longer than a day except on a weekend, and occasionally even then I've had a reply). It's not always the answer I want, but at least they respond and are very helpful.

2) They have over 14 hours of training in their members area... plus documents, marketing materials, etc. You don't think that's worth $1,000??

In comparison, I also saw features they have that the other doesn't, (and vice versa), so they're obviously doing further development within the system.

I'm NOT advocating supporting scammers, or anything like that. I'm simply basing my opinion on the system itself. It's actually pretty good.

However, if you're a competitor, then obviously you'll find reasons not to like them....

And for people who can't afford that and would rather take a different approach or would rather figure out for themselves how to do it, then obviously there are other solutions.

Just my 2 cents for what its worth (from a user).

(And no, I haven't sold any apps yet because honestly I've been tied up with other things on my list, but I certainly see the potential with *some specific* businesses).

try_hard_samurai · 5th May 2012, 09:08 AM

Great stuff here.

It's a shame that many gurus are quick to push out a offer to their list without first trying out the product. I've been nailed quite a few times like this. Now I only follow a hand full of folks in the space. I try to make sure that they are running a real business and teaching on the side for extra revenue. Not just pushing digital products and teaching full time without a seriously impressive track record that can be verified somehow.

Amber Jalink · 7th May 2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by mw8020

Spose you're not gonna let the cat out of the bag here?

I'd understand if you wouldn't - but one never knows unless one asks

ps - for anyone thinking of getting into mobile apps - I don't think it's a waste of money to get gomobile's stuff (even if you look for/and use other alternatives at a later stage) - I mean what price do you put on being tapped into a pro sales and marketing community to learn how to sell the things? Then if you want to look around for other systems to save costs - why not? It's capitalism baby what the hell. I have not yet bought their system but I will in time.

lol - well if you don't mind getting into some coding there's this:

Cross-Platform Mobile App Development | Rhomobile

(no affiliate link in any way, its open source)

dantehicks · 7th May 2012, 11:48 AM

Amber,

Is that platform capable of making HTML5 mobile web apps? I just took a quick look at the site and it looks like it's for native app building/managing?

Amber Jalink · 7th May 2012, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by dantehicks

Amber,

Is that platform capable of making HTML5 mobile web apps? I just took a quick look at the site and it looks like it's for native app building/managing?

This one creates them for all - blackberry, iphone, android, and windows. It's ruby on rails that I can see. Just started playing a bit - I'm not a programmer so I can only do so much, but will be handing some off to my programmer that I use when I get stuck

I need something more customizable than the gomobilesolutions for what I'm working on, and I really like that this one works for blackberry as well.

dmbrennan · 25th Jun 2012, 01:03 PM

Hey Go Mobile Innovations, I clicked on your examples page and I'm getting a "Malware" warning on the re-direct site: Fliprap Arena - FRONTPAGE

Just thought you'd like to know. --Dennis

Carey Archer · 27th Jun 2012, 03:20 AM

A quick not to thank you mobilemarketer2012, you saved plenty of young players and some that have been around for a while are also appreciative!
Cheers Dude!

jdmnet30 · 23rd Jul 2012, 05:16 PM

We've looked at GMS and also BiznessApps and knew the connection. GMS does offer the sales and marketing and while BA doesn't have the signup fee, it's my understanding they DO have monthly fees covering so many apps you've sold. I was told $150 a month for 5 apps? Whatever the rates, BA has it's own fees and not the support. That said, we're still comparing the two. Having looked at other builders out there, and yes some are free, they're nowhere near what GMS appears to have.

ssmayer · 24th Jul 2012, 08:16 PM

Thank you very much!

trieuphu · 24th Jul 2012, 08:52 PM

Thanks for sharing man

JoeGo · 26th Jul 2012, 03:57 PM

I first looked into doing Mobile Marketing when Adam Horowitz came out with his course, which didn't make me any money. Since then, I've cooled to Mobile Marketing. I know it's the next frontier, but I just get tired of all the guru promises that I'll make a million dollars in a few months.

I just bought Business Turnkey Exponential here on WF (which was WSOD) and am having fun getting that set up. I just got this on Tuesday so it's premature to say if it will make me money, but I like the idea of how you're helping business owners get government grants.

At this point, I'm all about getting a product and focusing on making that work. It seems that if you don't focus, you tend to get Shiny Object Syndrome, which is no bueno! Thanks to the OP for the info.

Geoff Lord · 26th Jul 2012, 05:41 PM

Great thread guys. I learned an awful lot in here today and I an greatfull for those willing to share all the Info, good and bad, it all helps..

toddfromboston · 29th Jul 2012, 09:45 PM

I'll throw my opinions in here. I bought into GoMobile and am only finding out now that they are simply a reseller for bizness apps, am I upset? Nope. First off, as mentioned they have hours of sales training which is incredibly helpful for those of use who are just starting out. The sales training is great as is the training on designing the apps. Nine times out of ten I speak directly to someone in customer service whenever I need and they are more than helpful. In fact they've even taken care of issues I've had with customer apps (like graphic issues) directly instead of saying "do this, see ya later." ALSO, my first few months selling apps was near impossible and they were nice enough to extend my 30 day guarantee to 90 days, in fact. I have to call them so they'll charge me for my remaining payments as they still have yet to(I bought back in November!!).

I have spoken to Damien on the phone several times for sales advice. He sent me some of his closed training with Omar Periu that people paid money for, for free and he even gave me his personal cell number, and the option of using their VIP service to create an app (a $300 option) for free. All because I was having problems closing a sale. So even if they are just a reseller of another product they more than make up for it with their training and support (I feel) and that makes it worth it to me.

One final thing I'd like to add. I've since added sms marketing and mobile website design to my business and have found that when I lead with the sms marketing and mention apps at the end (along with mobile websites), I've found several of my prospective clients have been interested in an app the most. Mostly restaurants since there is a function for ordering food through the app. Most "mobile app design firms" like Zocalo Labs or Mobilaurus would charge upwards of $5k for an app with that function! I've called them, so I know.

Just my thoughts

WillR · 30th Jul 2012, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by toddfromboston

One final thing I'd like to add. I've since added sms marketing and mobile website design to my business and have found that when I lead with the sms marketing and mention apps at the end (along with mobile websites), I've found several of my prospective clients have been interested in an app the most.

One thing you need to learn VERY quickly in marketing is that your customer is NOT always right. Just because a customer thinks an app is a good idea doesn't actually mean it is. Tell them how much the app will cost and see if they are still interested.

The simple fact is a mobile web app will do everything a regular app does and it doesn't cost anywhere near as much. You also won't find too many customers who will want to download and keep an app just for their local chinese restaurant... it's overkill.

You also want to keep in mind that you should only ever offer solutions to your clients that will get them the results they are looking for. Sometimes it's not always the most expensive option they need -- what's most important is you get them results.

Offline marketing is about building a long term relationship with your clients. We all know that finding new clients is often the hardest part of having an offline business. If you impress your current clients and they keep on coming back for more then all of sudden you get to a point where you no longer need to keep finding new clients -- you just keep dealing with the same old ones over and over.

If you sell someone an expensive solution they don't need and they end up getting no results, you can be sure that person will never want to work with you again nor will they ever recommend your services to anyone else.

toddfromboston · 30th Jul 2012, 03:31 PM

Will,

I couldn't agree more. I was just trying to say that in the beginning most businesses I visited had little interest in smartphone apps. Now that I have several different options it is something that intrigues them. But yes, I would not try to lead a neighborhood Chinese take out place in the direction of investing in an app. I've been finding that smartphone apps only make sense about 20% of the time, mobile based apps, mobile websites and sms marketing make way more sense for 95% of businesses out there. I always do some research about a business before I visit it or if I know the business niche I tend to have a package of solutions I can present. It's not about selling them the highest ticket item possible, its about what works to increase their numbers. And if done properly and they appreciate your services, referrals tend to follow.

It's funny you mention the customer is not always right... I was an automotive service technician (mechanic) for several years and we would always say "In most businesses the customer is always right, in our business, the customer is usually never right."

-Todd

rockong · 30th Jul 2012, 03:48 PM

good initial share OP

Thanks!

WillR · 30th Jul 2012, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by toddfromboston

It's funny you mention the customer is not always right... I was an automotive service technician (mechanic) for several years and we would always say "In most businesses the customer is always right, in our business, the customer is usually never right."

It is a funny turn around yet so true!

dennism70 · 30th Jul 2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by WF-Shazam

There IS( underline "is") a buzz getting out about GoMobile Solutions I've been to several of their webinars recently. I've also found other places to to develop and build & market apps.

That's what the internet was built for; search and re-search before dropping your dimes people. If you want to learn how to build apps for free you can pm me and I'll share where I'm learning. And no it's not a affiliate program as in me getting paid ... I just get credit for sharing it and we can team up, learn together, share knowledge, and or brainstorm.

It's Free sign up, Free to learn, Free to develop, and Free to build.

Thanks for starting this thread.

And How Free is the hosting of your app?

SydMichael · 1st Aug 2012, 04:11 PM

Thanks For The Heads Up!

Redheadlady · 13th Aug 2012, 07:53 AM

thank you...wise words...i am doing my due diligence and I totally agree

zoobie · 13th Aug 2012, 10:27 AM

Thanks for your information. Everyone is trying to copy someone else idea. But at the end of the day only the origin wins!

Redheadlady · 13th Aug 2012, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by mobilemarketer2012

I'm sorry, but it is very hard for me to buy what you are saying here. It looks to me more like you bought into Go Mobile because you didn't know about Biznessapps and then when you found out who was behind it AND you could get it cheaper directly, you bought into Biznessapps. I'm not sure why you are defending Go Mobile here other than it sounds like you have developed a relationship with them.

Let me ask you this. If Go Mobile had said to you " Hey, we are reselling Biznessapps platform so you can get it from them for free instead but we'll give you sales training for $1000", would you have signed up with them? How many of the biz op seekers that signed with Go Mobile would have done so had they known they could go directly to Biznessapps? I listened to a Go Mobile webinar. The $1000 fee was all about being able to develop and sell unlimited apps. If you really want the training, you can buy Omar Periu's entire Investigative Selling CD course for $197 off of his website.

Now both Jeff Mills and Damien are promoting other ways to make money via webinars. This tells me they aren't really in the business of mobile apps. They are in the business of selling the next shiny object.

Just my 2 cents.

I am also checking into Gomobile and Bizness Apps....one of my concerns is that you are basicly held hostage to their service...once you sell a few apps hosted on their system
are you free to move the app or are you held hostage with that company as long as your client is paying you

thanks for your help
confusing at best

webgenco · 13th Aug 2012, 09:35 PM

Hey thanks for the info - I had watched the webinar and during my due diligence on Go Mobile your comment pops up in Google Search. I've applied for my own white label solution and since I'm not a total newbie to sales & marketing I can take it from there with biznessapps.com. I want to thank you for saving me $1000. To the guys credit at Go Mobile, they do offer what appears to be some good training, etc. and that might be good if you are just getting into the game. But I agree it is wrong to put forth a white label solution as your own proprietary platform. Again, thanks for the heads up!

destang · 15th Aug 2012, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by WF-Shazam

There IS( underline "is") a buzz getting out about GoMobile Solutions I've been to several of their webinars recently. I've also found other places to to develop and build & market apps.

That's what the internet was built for; search and re-search before dropping your dimes people. If you want to learn how to build apps for free you can pm me and I'll share where I'm learning. And no it's not a affiliate program as in me getting paid ... I just get credit for sharing it and we can team up, learn together, share knowledge, and or brainstorm.

It's Free sign up, Free to learn, Free to develop, and Free to build.

Thanks for starting this thread.

I do not have enough posts to PM you. Could you PM me instead?

mobilemarketer2012 · 29th Sep 2012, 09:09 AM

Todd;

I am a little late to this response but I wanted to respond because it goes back to the whole reason I started this thread.

First off, I am glad that you are having success with mobile apps and other mobile marketing products and services. Interestingly enough, although you speak highly of the sales training provided by GMS, it sounds like you developed your own effective sales approach by leading in with SMS and mobile sites.

If you visit Omar Perieu's website, you will see that you can buy his entire sales course for $199. Again, much less than the $1000 for GMS. Also, it's not like it cost Damien anything to give you a training video he charged other people for, but I'm guessing his other members who did pay for it and are now reading this are not very happy.

Also, what most GMS members don't seem to be aware of is that Biznessapps also provides sales and app building training as part of their package. They provide numerous videos on how to sell different niches and they provide tutorials on how to build each segment of their app platform. Biznessapps has awesome support and you can call them to get answers as well.

Ultimately, this goes back to the reason I started this thread. People need to do their due diligence before buying. There is a reason the term "buyer beware" started as a Latin phrase (I think it is Caveat Emptor). People have been screwing other people since the beginning of time.

Above all, I wish you success in your business.

Originally Posted by toddfromboston

I'll throw my opinions in here. I bought into GoMobile and am only finding out now that they are simply a reseller for bizness apps, am I upset? Nope. First off, as mentioned they have hours of sales training which is incredibly helpful for those of use who are just starting out. The sales training is great as is the training on designing the apps. Nine times out of ten I speak directly to someone in customer service whenever I need and they are more than helpful. In fact they've even taken care of issues I've had with customer apps (like graphic issues) directly instead of saying "do this, see ya later." ALSO, my first few months selling apps was near impossible and they were nice enough to extend my 30 day guarantee to 90 days, in fact. I have to call them so they'll charge me for my remaining payments as they still have yet to(I bought back in November!!).

I have spoken to Damien on the phone several times for sales advice. He sent me some of his closed training with Omar Periu that people paid money for, for free and he even gave me his personal cell number, and the option of using their VIP service to create an app (a $300 option) for free. All because I was having problems closing a sale. So even if they are just a reseller of another product they more than make up for it with their training and support (I feel) and that makes it worth it to me.

One final thing I'd like to add. I've since added sms marketing and mobile website design to my business and have found that when I lead with the sms marketing and mention apps at the end (along with mobile websites), I've found several of my prospective clients have been interested in an app the most. Mostly restaurants since there is a function for ordering food through the app. Most "mobile app design firms" like Zocalo Labs or Mobilaurus would charge upwards of $5k for an app with that function! I've called them, so I know.

Just my thoughts

Scott Newman · 30th Sep 2012, 06:42 PM

thanks for your input... you are truly an asset to the Warrior forum!

NYC Partners · 2nd Oct 2012, 10:49 AM

Great comment... but the one thing I would like to point out is that even if the software is ripped off, maybe one person has a great way with words and they can communicate the message in a way that the buyer will actually be more successful.

They can add value to the existing program even if they use it as a base.
This is worth money in many other situations as well, so i don't see this as a moral issue.

However, on the whole, there are so many offers out there that are not 100% kosher and do NOT add value, so you gotta keep an eye out and do your HW.

Nice post... keep up the good work!

Sincerely,
Roman

Scott Prock · 2nd Oct 2012, 09:13 PM

I thought I would add my thoughts to this thread as I am trying to get the word out about these guys.

The latest change to Damien Zamora's product comes via a JV deal with Russell Brunson. They have created Local App Broker, a subscription based membership system using the GoMobile Solutions system (BizApps Whitelabel)

They're charging $97/mo

I'm not going to argue the point of value on what's inside the members area, for me, it wasn't worth it. It might be worth it for someone else. The problem I have is how they have the app code structured. You get one app code per month for the $97. That means you can only create one app demo per month. If you sell the demo you can get another app code. However, it appears you need to have the demo approved in the app store before you can get a new app code (if someone knows different please correct me)

You can also purchase new app codes for an additional $97/ea

The recent email marketing claims made by Russell Brunson are what have caused me to speak out against their system. Russell believes you can sit outside a client's office and create a demo in 10 minutes, show them the demo and 5 minutes later walk away with a $2500 check, and he indicates there are people like you and me that are doing just that.

I call BS on that claim. The app building system is not the fastest at transitioning between screens and refreshes after you make changes, so you would be lucky to have an app demo in 30 minutes as long as you had all the graphics created and ready to upload into the app.

I wrote a blog post review on the whole system, but I'm unsure if it's ok to link from in the post. It will rank soon, then just do a search ;-)

Affiguy · 3rd Oct 2012, 06:51 AM

Thanks a ton for this useful info!))) many people can now save a buck

crs30 · 4th Oct 2012, 12:25 AM

Yeah. Dude, I totally see your point.

On one hand, yeah, that is kind of lame. If they are simply reselling the darn thing and just being a middleman, that's lousy.

If they are adding some sort of value, such as consulting, training, or a mastermind group, it could be worth the additional cost. Just a consideration.

In the bigger picture, stuff like this happens all the time. When you go buy stuff at the store, it has been marked up by the manufacturer to the retailer, who then marks it up again. Why the markup? They are delivering the thing to you.

So I feel like this bit of markup is kind of like a self-created affiliate commission (sort of).

I don't resell anything, and I admit I don't like buying reseller stuff like that either. But I can see the validity behind it.

6th Apr 2012, 08:30 AM	#51
Dr Dan RockStarInLife War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: Coto De Caza, Cali Posts: 1,547 Thanks: 185 Thanked 430 Times in 288 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: We just did a webinar with Jeff and are really excited to offer these mobile apps to our own offline clients. You are always going to get good and bad comments no matter what the topic is on these forums. Its like Tim Castleman says, "This forum is like a public toilet... get in... get out... and hope you didnt catch anything!" haha But seriously... with every product you are going to get some people that just had a bad experience for whatever reason and they feel the need to vent or bash because it makes them feel better. But its only one side of the story. Heck... We get some crazy people every now and then that buy our stuff... Request a refund like... "I want a refund because I cant log in to the members area". We then reply... "You can reset your password and have it emailed to you by clicking on the link right below the login fields which says lost password" They then reply "WTF!!!!! Maybe you guys are just broke and need to keep all my money... Just give me the FU@k refund NOW!" Then they go in your sales thread and start saying you are a scamer and shouldnt be trusted! All I can say is... When reading reviews or comments on these threads... I usually look at how long they have been a member here... post count... past comments... etc Usually there is a trend... if they offer value and not whine in every post or complain... then I take their comment or input into account. Just a tip for those of you that use the forum to gather info before making a decision to buy or trust a service or product owner.
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vndnbrgj Senior Warrior Member Join Date: 2010 Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 848 Thanked 494 Times in 375 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: I had a different twist to this thread.... I attended a webinar for Royal Mobile. I wanted to find out who they were a reseller for, just because of one of the people running it is shady. Why did I want to know who the reseller was? Because if this guy jumped ship again, I wanted to know my clients wouldn't get screwed out of their lists, leaving me on the hook... I tried making a new thread, and the mods didn't let it go through. I have no problem buying the product, due to the training. I just want to know their system is based on a reputable platform.
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25th Apr 2012, 08:28 AM	#54
lewisgoolsby Warrior Member Join Date: 2012 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: I agree that Biznessapps.com is a cheaper route without all the sales training. I see a lot of non-WF marketers out there promoting their white label or GoMobile platforms. I always view those from a standpoint of what benefit does that particular marketer with them that enhances the product for the uses that interest me. The other big point is who retains the rights to the customer and the apps. Some resellers own the apps because they are through their developer IDs. Not an optimal situation for my business model. Thanks for the post and information.

3rd May 2012, 08:29 AM	#55
Amber Jalink Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,518 Thanks: 508 Thanked 508 Times in 255 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Well I wasn't going to chime in here, but after reading the last couple of posts in particular, I decided I should. I'm NOT a "ra ra" kind of person, I don't jump on every bandwagon or launch, and I certainly don't promote 90% of the launches I see. However... I will agree with 2 things here - and disagree with something else. Agree: Dr Dan - there are many scammers out there, and what you said is totally correct. Often times bashers are people who don't give something a chance, OR they're competitors in some way. Agree: mobilemarketer2012 - a lot of wso's are crap. However one thing I learned is that while many of them are variations of others, (unless its word for word the same), you can usually pick up at least something useful, a tidbit of new info, or just the way something is worded, it could spark ideas in your own head of a different approach. What I DON'T like is people who start offers (wso's or whatever), and then fall off the face of the earth till they're ready to promote the next "big thing", like a few are doing in the WSO section. I won't name names. (But no, its not Dr. Dan I'm talking about lol). Mobilemarketer2012 - Dr. Dan brought that up about the idiot refunder for that exact reason: to point out that not everyone is going to like an offer, or whatever. It was a simple, straightforward point. There have been some incredible offers out there that people will bash - sometimes based on price point, but they have NOT seen the true thing. Now I'm not here to start any argument at all. I am a buyer of gomobilesolutions. I DO know that they are a reseller of the other. I HAVE found another system that I will be developing rather than using GMS, so that I have a more proprietary system. However - the reason I DID go with gms - is (as I think someone else mentioned): 1) Their support team is usually very quick to respond. (I have never had a question or ticket take longer than a day except on a weekend, and occasionally even then I've had a reply). It's not always the answer I want, but at least they respond and are very helpful. 2) They have over 14 hours of training in their members area... plus documents, marketing materials, etc. You don't think that's worth $1,000?? In comparison, I also saw features they have that the other doesn't, (and vice versa), so they're obviously doing further development within the system. I'm NOT advocating supporting scammers, or anything like that. I'm simply basing my opinion on the system itself. It's actually pretty good. However, if you're a competitor, then obviously you'll find reasons not to like them.... And for people who can't afford that and would rather take a different approach or would rather figure out for themselves how to do it, then obviously there are other solutions. Just my 2 cents for what its worth (from a user). (And no, I haven't sold any apps yet because honestly I've been tied up with other things on my list, but I certainly see the potential with some specific businesses).
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5th May 2012, 09:08 AM	#56
try_hard_samurai Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Western end of Va. Posts: 73 Thanks: 14 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Great stuff here. It's a shame that many gurus are quick to push out a offer to their list without first trying out the product. I've been nailed quite a few times like this. Now I only follow a hand full of folks in the space. I try to make sure that they are running a real business and teaching on the side for extra revenue. Not just pushing digital products and teaching full time without a seriously impressive track record that can be verified somehow.

7th May 2012, 11:48 AM	#58
dantehicks Active Warrior Join Date: 2012 Posts: 52 Thanks: 19 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Amber, Is that platform capable of making HTML5 mobile web apps? I just took a quick look at the site and it looks like it's for native app building/managing?

25th Jun 2012, 01:03 PM	#60
dmbrennan Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Bethlehem PA Posts: 21 Thanks: 6 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Hey Go Mobile Innovations, I clicked on your examples page and I'm getting a "Malware" warning on the re-direct site: Fliprap Arena - FRONTPAGE Just thought you'd like to know. --Dennis

27th Jun 2012, 03:20 AM	#61
Carey Archer New Warrior Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Australia. Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: A quick not to thank you mobilemarketer2012, you saved plenty of young players and some that have been around for a while are also appreciative! Cheers Dude!

23rd Jul 2012, 05:16 PM	#62
jdmnet30 Warrior Member Join Date: 2010 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: We've looked at GMS and also BiznessApps and knew the connection. GMS does offer the sales and marketing and while BA doesn't have the signup fee, it's my understanding they DO have monthly fees covering so many apps you've sold. I was told $150 a month for 5 apps? Whatever the rates, BA has it's own fees and not the support. That said, we're still comparing the two. Having looked at other builders out there, and yes some are free, they're nowhere near what GMS appears to have.

24th Jul 2012, 08:16 PM	#63
ssmayer Warrior Member Join Date: 2012 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Thank you very much!

24th Jul 2012, 08:52 PM	#64
trieuphu Warrior Member Join Date: 2012 Posts: 27 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Thanks for sharing man

26th Jul 2012, 03:57 PM	#65
JoeGo New Warrior Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 24 Thanks: 10 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: I first looked into doing Mobile Marketing when Adam Horowitz came out with his course, which didn't make me any money. Since then, I've cooled to Mobile Marketing. I know it's the next frontier, but I just get tired of all the guru promises that I'll make a million dollars in a few months. I just bought Business Turnkey Exponential here on WF (which was WSOD) and am having fun getting that set up. I just got this on Tuesday so it's premature to say if it will make me money, but I like the idea of how you're helping business owners get government grants. At this point, I'm all about getting a product and focusing on making that work. It seems that if you don't focus, you tend to get Shiny Object Syndrome, which is no bueno! Thanks to the OP for the info.
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26th Jul 2012, 05:41 PM	#66
Geoff Lord Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Manchester, United Kingdom. Posts: 33 Thanks: 2 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Great thread guys. I learned an awful lot in here today and I an greatfull for those willing to share all the Info, good and bad, it all helps..
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29th Jul 2012, 09:45 PM	#67
toddfromboston Local Rock Star Marketer Join Date: 2011 Location: Boston, Ma Posts: 65 Thanks: 29 Thanked 26 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: I'll throw my opinions in here. I bought into GoMobile and am only finding out now that they are simply a reseller for bizness apps, am I upset? Nope. First off, as mentioned they have hours of sales training which is incredibly helpful for those of use who are just starting out. The sales training is great as is the training on designing the apps. Nine times out of ten I speak directly to someone in customer service whenever I need and they are more than helpful. In fact they've even taken care of issues I've had with customer apps (like graphic issues) directly instead of saying "do this, see ya later." ALSO, my first few months selling apps was near impossible and they were nice enough to extend my 30 day guarantee to 90 days, in fact. I have to call them so they'll charge me for my remaining payments as they still have yet to(I bought back in November!!). I have spoken to Damien on the phone several times for sales advice. He sent me some of his closed training with Omar Periu that people paid money for, for free and he even gave me his personal cell number, and the option of using their VIP service to create an app (a $300 option) for free. All because I was having problems closing a sale. So even if they are just a reseller of another product they more than make up for it with their training and support (I feel) and that makes it worth it to me. One final thing I'd like to add. I've since added sms marketing and mobile website design to my business and have found that when I lead with the sms marketing and mention apps at the end (along with mobile websites), I've found several of my prospective clients have been interested in an app the most. Mostly restaurants since there is a function for ordering food through the app. Most "mobile app design firms" like Zocalo Labs or Mobilaurus would charge upwards of $5k for an app with that function! I've called them, so I know. Just my thoughts
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30th Jul 2012, 03:31 PM	#69
toddfromboston Local Rock Star Marketer Join Date: 2011 Location: Boston, Ma Posts: 65 Thanks: 29 Thanked 26 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Will, I couldn't agree more. I was just trying to say that in the beginning most businesses I visited had little interest in smartphone apps. Now that I have several different options it is something that intrigues them. But yes, I would not try to lead a neighborhood Chinese take out place in the direction of investing in an app. I've been finding that smartphone apps only make sense about 20% of the time, mobile based apps, mobile websites and sms marketing make way more sense for 95% of businesses out there. I always do some research about a business before I visit it or if I know the business niche I tend to have a package of solutions I can present. It's not about selling them the highest ticket item possible, its about what works to increase their numbers. And if done properly and they appreciate your services, referrals tend to follow. It's funny you mention the customer is not always right... I was an automotive service technician (mechanic) for several years and we would always say "In most businesses the customer is always right, in our business, the customer is usually never right." -Todd
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30th Jul 2012, 03:48 PM	#70
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1st Aug 2012, 04:11 PM	#73
SydMichael Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Lake Lanier North East of Atlanta Posts: 55 Thanks: 23 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Thanks For The Heads Up!
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13th Aug 2012, 07:53 AM	#74
Redheadlady Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 15 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: thank you...wise words...i am doing my due diligence and I totally agree
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13th Aug 2012, 10:27 AM	#75
zoobie Mobile Apps Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: hong kong Posts: 996 Thanks: 4 Thanked 46 Times in 42 Posts Blog Entries: 2	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Thanks for your information. Everyone is trying to copy someone else idea. But at the end of the day only the origin wins!

13th Aug 2012, 09:35 PM	#77
webgenco HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: Minnesota, USA. Posts: 117 Thanks: 173 Thanked 27 Times in 22 Posts Blog Entries: 2	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Hey thanks for the info - I had watched the webinar and during my due diligence on Go Mobile your comment pops up in Google Search. I've applied for my own white label solution and since I'm not a total newbie to sales & marketing I can take it from there with biznessapps.com. I want to thank you for saving me $1000. To the guys credit at Go Mobile, they do offer what appears to be some good training, etc. and that might be good if you are just getting into the game. But I agree it is wrong to put forth a white label solution as your own proprietary platform. Again, thanks for the heads up!

30th Sep 2012, 06:42 PM	#80
Scott Newman Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: Greenville, SC USA Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: thanks for your input... you are truly an asset to the Warrior forum!
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2nd Oct 2012, 10:49 AM	#81
NYC Partners Warrior Profit Partner Join Date: 2012 Location: New York, NY Posts: 33 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Great comment... but the one thing I would like to point out is that even if the software is ripped off, maybe one person has a great way with words and they can communicate the message in a way that the buyer will actually be more successful. They can add value to the existing program even if they use it as a base. This is worth money in many other situations as well, so i don't see this as a moral issue. However, on the whole, there are so many offers out there that are not 100% kosher and do NOT add value, so you gotta keep an eye out and do your HW. Nice post... keep up the good work! Sincerely, Roman

2nd Oct 2012, 09:13 PM	#82
Scott Prock New Warrior Member Join Date: 2007 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: I thought I would add my thoughts to this thread as I am trying to get the word out about these guys. The latest change to Damien Zamora's product comes via a JV deal with Russell Brunson. They have created Local App Broker, a subscription based membership system using the GoMobile Solutions system (BizApps Whitelabel) They're charging $97/mo I'm not going to argue the point of value on what's inside the members area, for me, it wasn't worth it. It might be worth it for someone else. The problem I have is how they have the app code structured. You get one app code per month for the $97. That means you can only create one app demo per month. If you sell the demo you can get another app code. However, it appears you need to have the demo approved in the app store before you can get a new app code (if someone knows different please correct me) You can also purchase new app codes for an additional $97/ea The recent email marketing claims made by Russell Brunson are what have caused me to speak out against their system. Russell believes you can sit outside a client's office and create a demo in 10 minutes, show them the demo and 5 minutes later walk away with a $2500 check, and he indicates there are people like you and me that are doing just that. I call BS on that claim. The app building system is not the fastest at transitioning between screens and refreshes after you make changes, so you would be lucky to have an app demo in 30 minutes as long as you had all the graphics created and ready to upload into the app. I wrote a blog post review on the whole system, but I'm unsure if it's ok to link from in the post. It will rank soon, then just do a search ;-)
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3rd Oct 2012, 06:51 AM	#83
Affiguy HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 171 Thanks: 6 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Thanks a ton for this useful info!))) many people can now save a buck
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4th Oct 2012, 12:25 AM	#84
crs30 Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Havelock, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Just a Heads Up for Mobile Marketers...... Share on: Yeah. Dude, I totally see your point. On one hand, yeah, that is kind of lame. If they are simply reselling the darn thing and just being a middleman, that's lousy. If they are adding some sort of value, such as consulting, training, or a mastermind group, it could be worth the additional cost. Just a consideration. In the bigger picture, stuff like this happens all the time. When you go buy stuff at the store, it has been marked up by the manufacturer to the retailer, who then marks it up again. Why the markup? They are delivering the thing to you. So I feel like this bit of markup is kind of like a self-created affiliate commission (sort of). I don't resell anything, and I admit I don't like buying reseller stuff like that either. But I can see the validity behind it.
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