Placing Videos IN Mobile Sites?

midasman09 · 1st Jan 2012, 11:04 AM

I've done Videos for clients to place on their websites and would like to put them on Mobile Sites I create for them.

Anyone know of a WSO or Info on how to do this?

Thanks much,

Don Alm.....Hope we ALL have a Great 2012

HypeText · 1st Jan 2012, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Meyowza

You can place your video on a site we give for free. Just add dot com after my handle. Make sure to visit the blog and watch the short tutorial video.

Adding a video to a mobile site is no different than it is on a regular website. You just need to keep in mind that IPhones do not display flash and neither do most feature phones.

Meyowza · 1st Jan 2012, 11:35 AM

Thats why we use youtube and vimeo integration. Neither use flash. Although there are some companies out there that use flash video hosting at a very affordable price, to bad mobile apple devices dont play nice with them.

WillR · 1st Jan 2012, 09:31 PM

HTML 5 is the way forward for this. Not even Youtube and Vimeo embeds work on ALL devices. Soon enough all mobile browsers will support HTML5 as it becomes the new standard and that's what everyone will be using -- it will replace most things that used flash in the past.

HypeText · 2nd Jan 2012, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by WillR

HTML 5 is the way forward for this. Not even Youtube and Vimeo embeds work on ALL devices. Soon enough all mobile browsers will support HTML5 as it becomes the new standard and that's what everyone will be using -- it will replace most things that used flash in the past.

Very True...Adobe has already announced back in November that there will be no further development of Flash for Mobile Browsers

nickhumph · 2nd Jan 2012, 07:56 AM

Just use the iframe codes for vimeo and youtube videos and your client will be fine.

WillR · 2nd Jan 2012, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by nickhumph

Just use the iframe codes for vimeo and youtube videos and your client will be fine.

I highly suggest you do NOT do this.

1) Iframes are not supported by all web browsers. My Blackberry web browser for example will not show anything in an iframe. So all those embedded Google Maps and Youtube Videos will just show as a blank screen. Not very user-friendly.

2) One of the requirements of a .mobi domain name is that there are no iframes used on it. Yes, it's highly unlikely someone is going to come along and find your .mobi domain and cause a fuss because you are using iframes but there is a very good reason why they have this rule. Iframes should not be used on mobile sites and for that reason they are also not a part of the official mobile web standards.

nickhumph · 3rd Jan 2012, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by WillR

I highly suggest you do NOT do this.

1) Iframes are not supported by all web browsers. My Blackberry web browser for example will not show anything in an iframe. So all those embedded Google Maps and Youtube Videos will just show as a blank screen. Not very user-friendly.

2) One of the requirements of a .mobi domain name is that there are no iframes used on it. Yes, it's highly unlikely someone is going to come along and find your .mobi domain and cause a fuss because you are using iframes but there is a very good reason why they have this rule. Iframes should not be used on mobile sites and for that reason they are also not a part of the official mobile web standards.

apologies for my noob post

what are the main benefits of a .mobi domain if you don't mind me asking? Is it better for SEO? etc?

Jay Moreno · 3rd Jan 2012, 08:13 AM

you could try 3GP video... whilst quality isn't high definition i have found it will work on the broadest range of mobile devices!

Quentin · 3rd Jan 2012, 11:06 AM

I always suggest to my customers that we use youtube for a number of reasons.

One it provides extra avenues for them to get traffic.

Don't just add the video but make sure you use a good description, tags and reference to their main and mobile website.

Create a channel for them so they can add other videos and get likes etc.

Easily embed the videos into their mobile website.

As Will said html 5 is on the rise but you don't get the added juice you will from Youtube.

Quentin

Jay Moreno · 3rd Jan 2012, 11:25 AM

perhaps its my lack of experience with using youtube for anything more than embedding a simple movie - but dont other peoples/potential competitors related videos get displayed once the video has ended?

i would say that would be my biggest reason for using self hosted videos... is like google pages... when you visit a location it lists of similar business in the area at the bottom of the screen! lol

WillR · 4th Jan 2012, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Quentin

I always suggest to my customers that we use youtube for a number of reasons.

One it provides extra avenues for them to get traffic.

Originally Posted by Jay Moreno

perhaps its my lack of experience with using youtube for anything more than embedding a simple movie - but dont other peoples/potential competitors related videos get displayed once the video has ended?

i would say that would be my biggest reason for using self hosted videos... is like google pages... when you visit a location it lists of similar business in the area at the bottom of the screen! lol

Yeah, I've got to agree with Jay on this one.

I don't think I would want to embed the Youtube videos in to my mobile site. Yes, the Youtube videos provide extra traffic avenues for them however those extra traffic avenues will still be there whether you embed the Youtube video on to your site or not.

Using Youtube embeds on your site have the disadvantage of leaking traffic off your site. All it takes is someone to click on the video or the Youtube logo and off they go never to return. Self-hosted videos are always the best way to go in my opinion.

FullExMedia · 4th Jan 2012, 09:58 PM

As a new website builder that is not as familiar with HTML 5, I use youtube for my site videos (if any) as I think it is the easiest.

To avoid the related videos I just uncheck that box before I select the old embed code. I also use the code allownetworking="internal" to prevent the video from taking me back to youtube if the video is tapped.

As I get more proficient I may have to self host and use html 5 and host but youtube has been a good start for me. I also and able to resize the videos easier in youtube.

My two cents

WillR · 4th Jan 2012, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by FullExMedia

As a new website builder that is not as familiar with HTML 5, I use youtube for my site videos (if any) as I think it is the easiest.

To avoid the related videos I just uncheck that box before I select the old embed code. I also use the code allownetworking="internal" to prevent the video from taking me back to youtube if the video is tapped.

As I get more proficient I may have to self host and use html 5 and host but youtube has been a good start for me. I also and able to resize the videos easier in youtube.

My two cents

Youtube is a good option for those who are unable to do things any other way but you must realize Youtube embed videos do not work on all popular devices. So you need to weigh up your options. There isn't really a one size fits all solution as yet -- as mentioned above HTML5 is going to be that solution but before we start using it we need to know that majority of the popular mobile web browsers are supporting it. It will only be a matter of time.

Quentin · 4th Jan 2012, 10:32 PM

What devices does not play youtube Will?

Q

AppWarrior · 4th Jan 2012, 11:29 PM

HTML 5 houses a video into an mp4 file. i.e. It can play on an iPad, iPhone, etc.

WillR · 4th Jan 2012, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Quentin

What devices does not play youtube Will?

Q

Quentin,

It depends what we are talking about. In this case I am talking about Youtube embeds. They do not work on the standard Blackberry browser on my 1 year old Blackberry phone -- Blackberry is still quite a large market so that concerns me as I know several of my friends who all have similar Blackberries and they too use the standard Blackberry browsers instead of Opera mini because all the data is unlimited through the Blackberry browser.

If I go to the actual mobile Youtube website I can watch the videos in that same browser but it is the embeds that do not work. Things like embedded Google maps also do not work.

Jay Moreno · 5th Jan 2012, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by WillR

Quentin,

It depends what we are talking about. In this case I am talking about Youtube embeds. They do not work on the standard Blackberry browser on my 1 year old Blackberry phone -- Blackberry is still quite a large market so that concerns me as I know several of my friends who all have similar Blackberries and they too use the standard Blackberry browsers instead of Opera mini because all the data is unlimited through the Blackberry browser.

If I go to the actual mobile Youtube website I can watch the videos in that same browser but it is the embeds that do not work. Things like embedded Google maps also do not work.

I am seeing the same thing Will - right now am considering using user detection to determine a switch between showing the embed code for ios and droids and the new blackberry browsers and basically pulling a thumbnail from the youtube api for all other mobile browsers and just linking it instead... give it another 18 months i think it will be much less of an issue

WillR · 5th Jan 2012, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Jay Moreno

give it another 18 months i think it will be much less of an issue

Hopefully even sooner. I think these major corps are going to understand how important mobile is and come to the party nice and quickly. Fingers crossed it won't be too long before we have a definite set of mobile web standards.

Quentin · 8th Jan 2012, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by WillR

Youtube is a good option for those who are unable to do things any other way but you must realize Youtube embed videos do not work on all popular devices. So you need to weigh up your options. There isn't really a one size fits all solution as yet -- as mentioned above HTML5 is going to be that solution but before we start using it we need to know that majority of the popular mobile web browsers are supporting it. It will only be a matter of time.

This is probably your worst advise ever Will as I know you are a blackberry fan and they do not work on your particular device so I did some live research.

I have just got back from a conference here in Thailand where a huge number of people had blackberrys and only one could not watch youtube videos and most showed me the blackberry youtube app that opened when watching youtube.

Maybe you should

Quentin · 8th Jan 2012, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by WillR

They do not work on the standard Blackberry browser on my 1 year old Blackberry phone -- Blackberry is still quite a large market so that concerns me as I know several of my friends who all have similar Blackberries and they too use the standard Blackberry browsers instead of Opera mini because all the data is unlimited through the Blackberry browser.

I tested this over the last week at a conference and out of about 50 people I asked to just view my mobile website with an embeded video all worked and either played in the browser or launched the blackberry youtube app.

Maybe the problem is your model or the Australian blackberries. Maybe the general public is not as concerned about using the generic browser and as I am not a blackberry person I thought I would survey them myself.

So I think the only ones we are missing out would be the ones who are hard core and I think from my survey they would be minimal.

Q

WillR · 8th Jan 2012, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Quentin

I tested this over the last week at a conference and out of about 50 people I asked to just view my mobile website with an embeded video all worked and either played in the browser or launched the blackberry youtube app.

Maybe the problem is your model or the Australian blackberries. Maybe the general public is not as concerned about using the generic browser and as I am not a blackberry person I thought I would survey them myself.

So I think the only ones we are missing out would be the ones who are hard core and I think from my survey they would be minimal.

Q

Quentin,

I know it is not ALL Blackberries that have the problem. The fact is my Blackberry that is only one year old has the problem -- as do Blackberries my friends use also. I doubt it would be an 'Australian' only issue.

I am guessing if the conference you were at had anything to do with technology then surveying those people is a little different to surveying the general public who don't necessarily have all the latest and flashiest models.

It's probably not a very accurate representation of the actual market.

Just saying...

Quentin · 8th Jan 2012, 11:01 AM

Hi Will it was not a technology conference but was a charity one so very basic normal cross section of people from youth to business people to supporters.

They also came from a cross section of countries also USD, UK, Europe and Asia.

Maybe here in Thailand they are a little more savy or get them formatted differently.

Que

Jay Moreno · 8th Jan 2012, 11:40 AM

Q, i have the same problem with my older non-webkit based blackberry too

My solution to all of this is if you are concerned or are having problems with incompatible content is to use user agent detection and deliver the most compatible content... as you know i am big advocate for the use of user agent detection for more than just redirection and this is what we are developing right now.

You can separate older blackberries from the newer ones by looking at the browser support... ie the new ones if i am not mistake indicate they are webkit based so you would do something like:

IF Blackberry AND Webkit based ECHO Youtube embedded video ELSE ECHO linked thumbnail

If your automating this you can pull the thumbnail from Youtubes API

As Will says until HTML5 becomes more mainstream and supported on all phones this to me seems the only logical direction to go if it is a concern or problem with your projects...

HypeText · 8th Jan 2012, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by WillR

Quentin,

I know it is not ALL Blackberries that have the problem. The fact is my Blackberry that is only one year old has the problem -- as do Blackberries my friends use also. I doubt it would be an 'Australian' only issue.

I am guessing if the conference you were at had anything to do with technology then surveying those people is a little different to surveying the general public who don't necessarily have all the latest and flashiest models.

It's probably not a very accurate representation of the actual market.

Just saying...

At the rate things are going for RIM, Blackberries might not be a concern much longer...

Not bashing your choice of Phone Will, just statin the facts...Industry Experts have predicted that 2012 is a make it or break it period for RIM. Most of them arent expecting the company to survive.

What I find ironic is you dont hear any concerns about making sure things display on a windows phone...and the market share is similar...

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Meyowza Mobile Marketing Platform War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 67 Thanks: 7 Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Placing Videos IN Mobile Sites? Share on: Thats why we use youtube and vimeo integration. Neither use flash. Although there are some companies out there that use flash video hosting at a very affordable price, to bad mobile apple devices dont play nice with them.

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