[flyinghammers]

I see lots of posts espousing the benefits of apps for small businesses. I don't understand why a good app developer would spend time building an app for a small business with a limited budget considering the going rate for a good iOS developer is $100-$150 an hour.

I personally spoke to many developers last week at CES and couldn't find one who would take on a project for anything less than $2,500 and most minimums were $5,000 and up.


If you are real app developer, prove it and post a link to your app.

[AppsFromHome]

Any American developers will cost more than those overseas and it doesn't mean they are any better in some cases. Especially at a place like CES, they demand a high pay rate and I am sure are good at what they do.

I have a friend that runs a social media application company that had to test and tweak developers from all over the world until he found one he could trust and that was reasonable to make a profit.

Eventually, he had the outsourced developer hire his own team under him for projects and he reports directly to the company.

I'm all about keeping jobs within the States, but if you're looking for a cheap, experienced, and talented developer.....that might be difficult.

[hardnova]

Calling people out. I hope you don't get jumped on for this, as I am curious to see who responds as well. Mainly because I am looking for a good iOS developer myself.

[flyinghammers]

Originally Posted by SDotSpells

Any American developers will cost more than those overseas and it doesn't mean they are any better in some cases. Especially at a place like CES, they demand a high pay rate and I am sure are good at what they do.

I have a friend that runs a social media application company that had to test and tweak developers from all over the world until he found one he could trust and that was reasonable to make a profit.

Eventually, he had the outsourced developer hire his own team under him for projects and he reports directly to the company.

I'm all about keeping jobs within the States, but if you're looking for a cheap, experienced, and talented developer.....that might be difficult.

Thanks for your reply. I would like to give people a good idea on how much time and money it costs to develop an iOS app. I think recommending an overseas developer because they are cheap is very vague. Do you know what the standard rate is to outsource development to another country?

[AppsFromHome]

I just wrote another long post and when I hit submit....WF timed out on me!!! AHH!

But basically what I said was that it is vague because I don't do it and don't have actual numbers to share with you. =)

It's not service I offer because of potential headaches.

I know he has had the best luck with a team from Bangladesh. After going through a few duds, I suppose when you find the right guys you're golden!

[Taimour]

Yes my dear !!! you are right. I know a friend who is app developer I have been out sourcing him work at minimum 120 an hour he does not take below then that. And he also says he is doing me a favor by giving me those rates as he works for far more then this.

[flyinghammers]

SDotSpells-

Do you mind asking your friend how much he pays for the Bangledash outsourcers and whether they are iOS or Android developers.

[AppsFromHome]

Oh I would LOVE to know.

He's a friend from a networking group so as far as sharing our secret sauce, that was the most I could get out of him.

If I do find out, I'll PM you.

[flyinghammers]

Originally Posted by hardnova

Calling people out. I hope you don't get jumped on for this, as I am curious to see who responds as well. Mainly because I am looking for a good iOS developer myself.

I am not worried about being "jumped on". Ever since the mobile marketing forum was introduced we have had app promoters creating hype about apps. I want to give people a realistic idea of what resources it takes to develop an app and not general platitudes such as "Apps are great, you can send push notifications to customers and stuff".

[andreaskam]

I've developed apps in the past (not personally, hired people/partnerships) and it's been a significant chunk of my online income. Be happy to answer any questions..

Link to one of my apps: Bike Doctor

[iSoftware]

Originally Posted by flyinghammers

I see lots of posts espousing the benefits of apps for small businesses. I don't understand why a good app developer would spend time building an app for a small business with a limited budget considering the going rate for a good iOS developer is $100-$150 an hour.

I personally spoke to many developers last week at CES and couldn't find one who would take on a project for anything less than $2,500 and most minimums were $5,000 and up.


If you are real app developer, prove it and post a link to your app.

I think you are perhaps confusing technology with effectual sales processes.

Someone who knows how to turn suspects into prospects and prospects into sales.....and sales into lifetime customers can offer a simple app created with a FREE app builder that would build more lifetime value for a clients than one that cost $10,000 to make by an MIT trained coder.


The average client doesn't care too much about bells and whistles and quite frankly neither does the end user.

Have you studied acutely many of the best apps in the apple and google (android) marketplaces?

That isn't to say there isn't a place for specialized skills. Neither is that to say that non programmers selling cheap products can bring market prices down for professional coders.

But your term "real" is a bit loose in my humble opinion.

To me real = generating enough business to be able to go party at Jimmy'z in Monaco, lol

[Anjan Kumar]

yes , it is true that outsourcing to countries like india will not only save you money but also you get a good and professional looking app. I am a app developer myself and i dont charge less than $1500 at the rate of $100 per hour.

[RichBeck]

I have been in the Software and Web Development industry for 18 years now.... I have the industry certifications and a Master of Computer Information Systems from a top tier US university.... I work mostly as a consultant and also screen candidates......

Finding solid candidates is tough..... The recruiters told me they tossed about 50% of the resumes.... I usually toss 90% of the resumes the recruiters give me... I then phone screen the remaining 10%... Of those, you'll usually find 25% are worth interviewing in person.....

What you usually find is a ton of people who have read "Learn Java 21 Days"..... or.... You'll find the "seat warmer" who learned enough to get in the door at a job..... But, spends no time sharpening their skills or learning new technologies.....

I have had extensive experience with offshore developers and H1-Bs..... The really good ones have one thing in common.... They all attended US universities....

These have been some of my observations over the years..........

In the end, there are many reasons why finding solid developers is tough.

All the Best,

Rich

[flyinghammers]

Thanks. I have seen many threads on here with so called app experts and you are the only person to reply that has actually been involved in the development of an app.

Originally Posted by andreaskam

I've developed apps in the past (not personally, hired people/partnerships) and it's been a significant chunk of my online income. Be happy to answer any questions..

Link to one of my apps: Bike Doctor

[flyinghammers]

Originally Posted by iSoftware

I think you are perhaps confusing technology with effectual sales processes.

Someone who knows how to turn suspects into prospects and prospects into sales.....and sales into lifetime customers can offer a simple app created with a FREE app builder that would build more lifetime value for a clients than one that cost $10,000 to make by an MIT trained coder.


The average client doesn't care too much about bells and whistles and quite frankly neither does the end user.

Have you studied acutely many of the best apps in the apple and google (android) marketplaces?

That isn't to say there isn't a place for specialized skills. Neither is that to say that non programmers selling cheap products can bring market prices down for professional coders.

But your term "real" is a bit loose in my humble opinion.

To me real = generating enough business to be able to go party at Jimmy'z in Monaco, lol

Where are the Warrior members that have built a simple app created with a free app builder successfully.

Who mentioned that an MIT trained coder is needed to build an app?

[NewParadigm]

Originally Posted by RichBeck

I have been in the Software and Web Development industry for 18 years now.... I have the industry certifications and a Master of Computer Information Systems from a top tier US university.... I work mostly as a consultant and also screen candidates......

Finding solid candidates is tough..... The recruiters told me they tossed about 50% of the resumes.... I usually toss 90% of the resumes the recruiters give me... I then phone screen the remaining 10%... Of those, you'll usually find 25% are worth interviewing in person.....

What you usually find is a ton of people who have read "Learn Java 21 Days"..... or.... You'll find the "seat warmer" who learned enough to get in the door at a job..... But, spends no time sharpening their skills or learning new technologies.....

I have had extensive experience with offshore developers and H1-Bs..... The really good ones have one thing in common.... They all attended US universities....

These have been some of my observations over the years..........

In the end, there are many reasons why finding solid developers is tough.

All the Best,

Rich

Sounds like much demand for quality, reliable programmers. How would you go about providing value and monetizing this? Are you just consulting as a programmer headhunter?

[RichBeck]

Originally Posted by NewParadigm

Sounds like much demand for quality, reliable programmers. How would you go about providing value and monetizing this? Are you just consulting as a programmer headhunter?

NewParadigm,

I missed your post.... Sorry I did not get back to you earlier....

I would not be consulting as a programming headhunter.....

I have a couple ideas for monetizing it. My problem is it seems like most people are only concerned about the up front cost....... Educating people about TCO is vital.... I will ponder it a bit more........

Thanks!

Rich