Scott Alan

I started this thread as an update to my previous thread, which by the way is very interesting in you haven't seen it. You can take a look at it here: http://www.warriorforum.com/mobile-m...-cellular.html

If you have seen the thread, you already know that I had done extensive research of the many companies out there offering "TEXT MESSAGING SERVICES" and that I had narrowed it down to between "LIME" & "AVID."

Well, after reading others stories and doing even more research, I finally decided to go with LIME. I just felt like LIME was the best fit for me and what I was looking for in a provider for what I'm wanting to provide to my customers.

I feel like they are the type of company that will continue to upgrade the features they offer and unlike some other companies out there, they do not compete with you.

I will keep everyone updated on my feelings about this decision. I will give regular and honest reviews on what I think about the company, the service, the support and the tools.

I also encourage others to give their reviews on here as well.

I have been working on an easy to use sales/promotion offer for a few months now and was waiting on the right company to partner up with. Hopefully, Lime turns out to be that company.

As ALWAYS, wishing EVERYONE here GREAT SUCCESS!!!

Best Regards,
Scott

When you are successful, remember to help others also succeed. Don't ever forget what it was like to be in the other person's shoes. Help as many people succeed as you can.

mcfcok

Lime have recently launched in the UK, does anyone know what the costs are associated with getting onboard with lime? Do they charge a monthly fee and x amount per text credit or is is a one off upfront fee and pay as you go on texts?

Any help much appreciated!!

grey38

Good choice. Now of course I have not used Avid, but have not been disappointed thus far with lime. Hope all goes well.

Scott Alan

Hi,

They charge a monthly fee that gives you a certain amount of text credits (no set up fees). You will be charged on a per text if you go over the set text credits.

When you are successful, remember to help others also succeed. Don't ever forget what it was like to be in the other person's shoes. Help as many people succeed as you can.

Scott Alan

Thanks Grey,

Everything looks great so far. I'm looking forward to getting this going. Hope you do great also.

When you are successful, remember to help others also succeed. Don't ever forget what it was like to be in the other person's shoes. Help as many people succeed as you can.

mcfcok

Thanks

What is the monthly fee and how many credits do you get for that? what is the cost per credit if you go over?

Scott Alan

Three Plans:

$147 Month (you get 5,000 credits and over that it's 1.9 cents per message)
$297 Month (you get 15,000 credits and over that it's 1.5 cents per message)
$497 Month (you get 30,000 credits and over that it's 1.0 cents per message)

Side Note: The Mobile Website builder is included in the $297 & $497 packages. It is not included in the $147 package, but you can add it for $40 per month.

If you are interested in Lime, my suggestion would be to contact them and they will send you a full description of all three plans and give you a demo account (no cost) to try out before you buy. That's what I did. I got a chance to see it in action and I was impressed enough to buy it. I was already 90% sold on Lime from the research I had done and my conversations with Yuval (owner). The demo account just sealed the deal for me.

I want to make this point though: I encourage EVERYONE to do their own research. In my opinion so far, I feel that Lime is the best out there, but I know that there are those that will disagree with me. So, read the reviews and opinions....but also do your own research. Talk to the support staff at the companies you're looking at....try their demo accounts if they offer one.

Best Regards,
Scott

When you are successful, remember to help others also succeed. Don't ever forget what it was like to be in the other person's shoes. Help as many people succeed as you can.

Jensen James

I also was very impressed with Lime. Unfortunately they don't have SMS carriers in Australia yet. Does anyone know of anyone that has a similar product to Lime that works in Aus?

Scott Alan

Hi Jensen,

Wish I could help you with that, but unfortunately I don't know of any. Maybe a fellow warrior will see this and be able to recommend one.

Best Of Luck,
Scott

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Rymico

I would check with Lime and see for sure what their packages are. I know Scott quoted the U.S packages. They could be different in the UK.

But, I really do like Lime. The reporting they give me really help on sales calls. And right now they are having webinars about once a week to explain about new things they have added. That is one of the hardest things to do with Lime, keep up with upgrades.

Feel free to email with any questions.

Rodney

Contact me at sales@rymico.com

crosshairs

Thanks Scott. I missed the Avid Mobile or Lime Cellular? thread before. Really great info in it.

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noman87

What is the monthly fee and how many credits do you get for that?

Huskerdarren

You can check out their prices on their website. Base package is about $150 per month but they will give you a free trial.

Tsnyder

Scroll back up to #7... they are posted.

Scott Alan

Just a quick tip: There are lots of marketing tools (videos, power-points, etc;) available in the marketplace for you to use. There are some good ones. Just be careful not to overwhelm the business owners with"Too Much Information," especially technical talk.

Most business owners want to know one thing:
"How will this help my business & how much is it?"

I have been guilty of this myself in the past when talking with potential clients. Try and keep the presentation SIMPLE & BRIEF!

I wanted to mention this because I feel that too many offline marketers, especially those just starting out, feel like they have to bring in a stack of flyers touting the benefits of whatever it is they are promoting and/or try and get the owners to watch a 10-15 minute video/power-point. Then go on to try and explain how everything works in technical terms.

I'm sure that there are those that do well with power-points, videos and lots of information......but from my experience and from those I've spoken with, SIMPLE seems to work better.

Best Regards,
Scott

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Tsnyder

Here's my whole pitch, plain and simple.

I have a list set up on my account for the sole
purpose of doing demos... plus I build a list of
business owners.

So... I get the appointment and at our first meeting
I simply introduce myself and say "I don't have a big
pitch, Mr. Business Owner. The best thing I can do is
let you have the same experience your customers have.
Please take out your cell phone"

I then have them text the keyword to the number.

Within moments they receive the welcome... moments
later they receive a demo coupon. I show them the redeem
button and explain how that gives them total control of how
many times the customer can use the coupon. I then have them
press the redeem button so they can see what happens.

Once they experience the process for themselves the sale becomes
much easier to secure. All the explanations you can think of won't
be as powerful as a full demo.

NuZu

As far as collecting payment from a business, are you able to accept paypal only with the $149 account?

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Rymico

Scott, this is one of the best tips you can give people who are doing this. It is also one of the hardest things to do. Everyone wants to tout their features to the customer. And the customer does not really care. They want to know how much more money they will make. Good tip.

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Rymico

NuZu, it is your business. You decide how much to charge and how to accept payments. It is not your suppliers business.

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Jensen James

Can you also add a margin to your clients SMS?

NuZu

Actually, what I meant was, I know with the two other packages there is built in billing that is not available with the $149 a month option.

So then, does that mean I would just use my business paypal account to accept monthly payments from business owners?

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Rymico

NuZU, that is correct. You would just have them use your business paypal, checks, whatever you want.

JJ, if I understand your question, then yes. You build a package with your profit margins in it and then bill them the package price.

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Steve Solem

Hey Terry - I can't say I've seen a mobile coupon with a redeem button before...are you using Lime too or someone else?

Great advice though - showing works much better than telling with just about any thing you're trying to sell!

Cheers,

Steve

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Tsnyder

Yes... We're using Lime. The redeem button on the coupon is
pretty cool. The owners love it because it gives them a little more
control over the process. I love it because the Lime admin dashboard
gives me a report that includes how many coupons were "clipped" and
how many were redeemed. I know exactly the results each campaign
achieved.

Jensen James

I just opened Lime Cellular on my iphone to see what their mobile website looked like. Was surprised to see they don't have one. Can anyone provide an example of a mobile website they've done using Lime?

Huskerdarren

That is kind of funny. I'm investigating and I like Lime. They've got very informative videos on Youtube that are worth watching. It gives you a good idea of what's possible and what they can deliver.

Rymico

Here is my mobile site from Lime. It is not finished yet and I have not moved it to my .mobi site yet.

www.rymico.mymobisite.us

I am also working on a site for a realtor. . Again, not finished yet.

www.rhonda.mymobisite.us

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WillR

Pretty basic stuff that can be done with any very simple mobile website template. I certainly wouldn't be paying monthly fees for those types of sites.

I hope you're not

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Chronic IM

Hello! I've been looking for this. Yeah Lime is really cool. I'm also very impressed with their service line up and how they carry services. Great post and thank you. More power.

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Rymico

Well, Will, when it comes to any kind of site building, I am a pretty basic guy. I am a salesman, not a computer specialist. And right now, the people I see have usually never seen a mobile site, so they think it is pretty neat. Which is good, because I do not have the time or expertise to give them more.

And, as you said in the thread http://www.warriorforum.com/mobile-m...-websites.html,
"One of the biggest mistakes I keep seeing people make with mobile website design is trying to be too clever. Remember, the user is only concerned about getting the information they want as quickly and easily as possible. A nice simple, boring looking design that is easy to navigate and read will be much more popular and useful for your customers than some fancy design that takes forever to load."

As far as paying for the site, if my customer has a sms account, the site is free to me. If it was a mobile site only account, it would cost me $4/month, hosted.

So, I am very happy with it all.

Rodney

Contact me at sales@rymico.com

mcfcok

Couple of questions...

Those of you using Lime, do you charge clients a set fee per month and they then get access to run their campaigns or do you manage them for them?

Here in the uk all the providers appear to offer a pay as you go system so no monthly fees no contracts just buy low price credits and off they go...

Just feel like i'll have a struggle on my hands trying to tie them to a monthly fee against the comp.

Do Limes credits expire? ie if i don't sell all my credits 1 month do they disappear?

Rymico

mcfcok, I manage the campaigns for my clients. I started out selling them a package for $x.xx and letting them do it. And several did well with it, at first. Then, they got busy, had other things come up, etc and the ROI was not there for them, so they left. I found that , for me, I kept them happier and longer if I managed them.

Plus, I received.more money for doing so. If I sell and manage only 30 customers, at $297/month that comes to $8910/month. My cost with Lime for that is around $1450 month. So that is a net of $7460/month or $89,520/year. So, my business plan is to sell and manage 30 clients . I am small time, and that leaves me plenty of time to do other things I want to.

Probably the same in UK as here, the credits are good for a month. They do expire. I do not have credits expire this way, just pay overages. I do have my customers credits expire each month.

I have a month to month agreement with my clients.

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Huskerdarren

Rymico, thanks for your informative post and congrats on your success so far.

Could you tell us a little about your approach to getting clients? Who do you target and what does the sales process look like? Direct mail, cold calling, referrals?

Wild Card

I love the math - it is exactly the kind of thing I am trying to do. A couple of quick questions if I may:

How many messages do they get for the $297.00?
Do you offer a 'Start Up' type package and upgrade them as their list grows?
What markets have you targeted and which have been the most sucessful?

Thanks in advance,
Jim

sodomojo

Rymico
You say your monthly charge from Lime would be $1450. How is that if their biggest plan is $497?

How many customers do you currently have?

Rymico

The 30 customers is my goal. My $297 charge would be good for 4,000 texts each. That would be 120,000 texts/month total. The $497 Lime package is for 35,000 texts. So, there is 85,000 texts to pay the one cent overage cost on. That would be $850. Then, there is a $4 charge per account or $120. I added the $497+$850+$120 and just rounded to $1450.

huskerdarren, I do not give a startup allowance. By managing their account I am supplying table tents, signage, training for their staff and other cost. If they are not happy after 30 days, I refund their money and leave. Have not had to do that yet. I had the table tents printed and they cost me $300 for my first 300. I have since found cheaper sources. But a restaurant can easily use 50 tents. So, the big push is to get enough opt ins to make them stay.

I have not had anyone question the price. If I do my job and show them how my program pays for itself, they do not worry about the monthly cost. And when you run all the numbers, you can show them the results of profits thru the texting.

That is what I love about all of the Lime reports. You can show them to the second when someone opted in. To the second when they redeemed a coupon. And a bunch more. And, they have a great boot camp training program to teach how to use it all. I have learned a lot with their webinars too.

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sodomojo

RYmico can't lime build a bigger package? Are you only targeting restaurants? How many clients do you have now?

Scott Alan

A Quick Update (6/12/2012)

I'm going through the training at Lime now. I wanted to ask a question of those that have tried both Lime and Avid:

Which one did you find easier to use?

Also, for the Avid users here:

Were you able to easily understand the dashboard and be up and running quickly?

Thanks,
Scott

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WillR

I understand that. Keeping it simple is exactly what should be done for mobile sites. My point was that a site like that is so simple you should not need to be paying a monthly fee for it OR relying on a third party site to host it.

Most 3rd party services will be gone within a few years. You can argue that point all you like but it's the truth. The figures don't lie. Just have a look at the failure rate of technology companies and you will see why I never like to rely on any type of third party service provider when I don't have to.

It's smart business I think.

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Garymac

Interesting point of view. I too researched many providers and came to the opposite conclusion. Plus, I've been in the Mobile Marketing space for three years now and simply wanted to make a change to a Tier 1 provider. Avid more than fits the bill in every category that's important. I will share my experience briefly; I spoke with a couple of different people with Lime and my concerns weren't related to the technology or platform but more of a trust issue. I asked a couple of questions I already knew the answer to and instead of answering truthfully or saying "I'm not sure, let me get an answer for you" the rep made something up, clearly lied to me, telling me what he thought I wanted to hear. I thought it might be an isolated occurrence and called back a few minutes later and got a different rep (different screen name at least) and aked the same questions... different answers, but still not truthful. I would never do business with a company I couldn't trust. When I talked with James at Avid, he not only knew the right answers but educated me on some things I didn't know beforehand. Very forthcoming and helpful.

That lead me to do a little more research on both Lime and Avid. One of the things I found out was that Limes' NY "office" was virtual and they actually have no physical presence in the US. This matters to me for a number of reasons, I prefer to keep my business with an American company and not with a middle east company with a sham US presence. The only reason to have a "virtual" office is to conceal your real location, much the same reason that home based businesses use a PO Box instead of a home address. An effort to legitimize the company I guess but misleading nonetheless.

In the month since signing with Avid they have generated much new content and marketing collateral and made updates to the platform, not sure I understand your point about Lime keeping up with the technology as they can't have done more than Avid in such a short period of time.

Give Avid a call and you will reach a live body every time, Try reaching someone at Lime, other than via their chat feature on the website. I even have the mobile numbers of 3 different, high level Avid execs. If I have a problem, our 3 hour time difference is never a problem. I couldn't be more pleased with my choice and am actually glad that Lime so carelessly eliminated themselves from contention.

If you really do your research it should be a no-brainer choice. Not to say Scott that you don't have a brain, much more likely that you didn't really know how to compare the two. I would expect that a citizen of this country would have preferred keeping their business and dollars at home. Still time for you to correct your mistake, I'm sure the guys at Avid will be just as gracious and helpful to anyone as they have been to me. Anyway... just my thoughts on the matter. And just so you can check with me if you have the desire, my name is Gary Mc Clure and my company is called HipChime. You can text GARY to 28748 and get all of my contact details.

Tsnyder

Gary... I appreciate your input but I've not had any sort
of problem with Lime. I never have a problem getting
them on the phone and on those rare occasions when
I do have to leave a voice mail my calls have been
returned within 30 minutes. I think their customer
service is excellent.

Their physical address isn't nearly as important to me
as the service they provide and I'm a satisfied customer
so far.

Rymico

Not gonna address anything else right now. But the middle east country associated with Lime is Israel. Just wanted to make that clear.

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Garymac

Tsnyder... I appreciate your response and I'm glad your experience has been better than mine. That said, I never had the opportunity to see what their CS was like as I couldn't get past the misinformation delivered by their reps. On another note, and not to question your patriotism, but why doesn't it matter to you whether you do business with an American company, that kind of thinking is one of the reasons our economy is in the condition it's in now.

My father fought in 3 wars for this country and served for 35 years. He wouldn't even buy a Japanese or German vehicle. While I don't take my patriotism to those levels, I do believe it matters where my business partners are located. Would you feel the same way if Lime was an Iranian or No. Korean company. I don't believe you would and if you did you would never say so here.

Again, glad to hear that your happy with your experience and hope that continues for you.

My post wasn't a sales pitch for Avid, The truth is I could care less who somebody else chooses to do business with, but more of a comment directed to Scotts' post about Lime being a better choice than Avid. It seemed fair that people still in the decision making process heard from both prospectives. I would welcome any comments you have about any experience you had with Avid during your research and due diligence.

Best of luck to you and continued success.

Garymac

My apologies, I thought Israel was in the middle east. (sic) My point was more that it wasn't an American company, despite efforts to make it seem other, unless Israel has been added to the union my point is still legitimate. Hopefully my point is now clear.

Garymac

Respectfully, I thought I would clarify a point in my previous post before anyone else decides to comment. I DOES matter where the business partners you choose reside. It DOES matter that in most countries this forum wouldn't even be allowed. It DOES matter that we keep our $ circulating throughout our own economy. People bitch and moan about illegal aliens from Mexico coming here and taking jobs from Americans and then taking their rewards back home to prop up that economy. Explain to me the difference. If your only point is that it doesn't matter where your US dollars go, don't bother me or any other patriotic American with that lethal point of view.

I mentioned my fathers service earlier as it was more relevant to my point. But I served 4 years in the Marine Corps and was in-country for 8 months. If you know what that means than I expect you won't be trying to change my opinion here.

Garymac

Additionally, I find it curious that all the posts here are pro Lime. I've posted here once before and my partner has posted here as well... yet both of those posts have been deleted. I expect my recent post to be deleted as well. I wonder who the moderator of this forum is and what their agenda might be? I truly hope this is an open, honest exchange and not a Lime Cellular propaganda forum.

Jones178

Gary,
First of all thank you and your dad for serving our country. The reason why the comments are so positive about Lime in this thread is because the name of it is "Why I Chose Lime" not Avid vs Lime which is a different thread.

nishantdon

is this paid or free ?

Tsnyder

Gary... you're entitled to do business with whomever you
choose for whatever reason makes happy... as am I.

Beyond that, this isn't really the time or place to air your
geopolitical economic views. Perhaps that's why your posts
have been deleted.

Rymico

Well, Lime just won't quit. Last Friday they had a webinar about yet another feature they added. I liked this one.

As I said above, I am a salesman, not a computer guy. So, I like their simple mobile site. And now, they added a donate button for non profits. Just click here to donate money to the non profit.

So, yesterday I visited three of the local non profits which my wife and I like and support. I whipped up a sample mobile site with the button to show them. Since these are charities we support, I made them a good deal. Free one page mobile site, $40/month hosting and a 4,000 managed text program for $225. When I got home, I had three commitments. So, $795 of recurring monthly income in one afternoon.

This is why I chose Lime. I would not have thought of this niche.

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