Mobile Websites In The UK

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Whilst researching this mobile market, I have been looking at the many different websites many of the local businesses have and which service providers they are using to host their websites. What I have found is that there are quite a variety of the 'big boys' such as:

websites.bt.com,
yell.com,
thomsonlocal.com
vistaprint.com,
sites.google.com
1and1.com and many more....

With so many different small local businesses using these different options to host their CMS based websites, I was wanting to know if any of the fellow warriors have any experience as to the success of being able to put the redirect codes into the business owners websites which are being used specifically on these platforms?

I have heard that vistaprint.com is one which doesn't allow access to put the redirect codes in the head tags.

Hoping you can share your knowledge with this..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Z
    Originally Posted by Justin B View Post

    Whilst researching this mobile market, I have been looking at the many different websites many of the local businesses have and which service providers they are using to host their websites. What I have found is that there are quite a variety of the 'big boys' such as:

    websites.bt.com,
    yell.com,
    thomsonlocal.com
    vistaprint.com,
    sites.google.com
    1and1.com and many more....

    With so many different small local businesses using these different options to host their CMS based websites, I was wanting to know if any of the fellow warriors have any experience as to the success of being able to put the redirect codes into the business owners websites which are being used specifically on these platforms?

    I have heard that vistaprint.com is one which doesn't allow access to put the redirect codes in the head tags.

    Hoping you can share your knowledge with this..
    The entries you listed are more services used for DIY or are directory listing sites. There is quite a bit of limitations that you can do using such services. I'm not sure what your goal is perhaps you can share so we can get a better idea of what you are trying to accomplish. If you are trying to monetize peoples directory listings or sites by redirecting to mobile then you may have some issues there.
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    • Profile picture of the author zimbizee
      Originally Posted by Kevin Z View Post

      The entries you listed are more services used for DIY or are directory listing sites. There is quite a bit of limitations that you can do using such services. I'm not sure what your goal is perhaps you can share so we can get a better idea of what you are trying to accomplish. If you are trying to monetize peoples directory listings or sites by redirecting to mobile then you may have some issues there.
      I believe what he is trying to say is this....but correct me if i'm wrong

      There are a lot of small business owners that have their websites built and hosted by one of the above companies. The problem is that many of these types of hosting companies like vistaprint will not allow you access to be able to place a mobile redirect code on the the main website.

      This basically excludes any businesses that are built and hosted by one of these companies as you cannot build a mobile website for them due to the fact you cannot get access to the main site.

      I too would like to know anybody else's experience here in the UK if they have encountered this and how they tackled it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wendy Hearn
        Hi Justin,

        I've done it with bt.com websites. They were built with Joomla and the redirect code needed adding directly in to the tempate.

        Wendy
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin B
        Originally Posted by zimbizee View Post

        I believe what he is trying to say is this....but correct me if i'm wrong

        There are a lot of small business owners that have their websites built and hosted by one of the above companies. The problem is that many of these types of hosting companies like vistaprint will not allow you access to be able to place a mobile redirect code on the the main website.

        This basically excludes any businesses that are built and hosted by one of these companies as you cannot build a mobile website for them due to the fact you cannot get access to the main site.

        I too would like to know anybody else's experience here in the UK if they have encountered this and how they tackled it.
        Yes, you nailed it. This is exactly what I am referring to. There are so many small businesses that have websites which have been created using these platforms.

        I really had no idea how many businesses were using them until I started to research and its quite a large proportion. They are obviously looking for cheap/low cost websites that give them an immediate presence.

        What I have taken from this is that selling mobile websites to the small to medium business sector typically being the plumber, electrician, garage, etc.. needs a different kind of strategy, because with their existing websites it pretty much means that for many of these businesses we will not be able to put a redirect code into their main website.

        This means 1 of two things:
        1) We can't sell them a mobile website
        OR
        2) We build them a website which does allow a mobile redirect script. This will obviously involve a greater explanation on why their existing website is of no value to them. Easier than it sounds I am sure...
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
    Probably the easiest way to do this is to purchase a domain name and then have a two way redirect on it. If a desktop browser is detected, then go to the normal website and if a mobile browser is detected, go to the mobile version of the website.

    HTH

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  • Profile picture of the author blackrabbit
    Over the last few years we have worked with clients whos websites are managed by all the companies that you have listed and everytime we work with one of these providers we are left with a very bad experience.

    This week we built a mobile site for a client who had their website by BT using their platform and as we weren't able to add the redirect ourselves we had to ask them to add the code and for this they charged us £50!

    If you are working with customers who have sites powered by the platforms that you have listed be prepared to pull your hair out a little!

    There is another company out there who charge £150 just to add the redirect code and we have run into them a couple of times!
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  • Profile picture of the author pcobyrne
    I can see the problems and have faced these problems many many times especially 1&1. The way I pitch is as follows and this is a very very brief outline - if you want the full script then I would be happpy to put something together. Lets say the client is ABC Hair.

    1. ABC Hair host with 1&1 pre made template crap.
    2. Explain to ABC Hair 1&1 do not supply any SEO.
    3. Prove the point to them ....look at the keywords (I know it is a small business)
    4. Offer them a free new domain (which you can get .com or .co.uk for £3.25 and yes their is a way to do this) say ABC Hair Studio, ALSO offering them free hosting for a year. WHAT YOU CRY....Stick with me guys this does work.
    5. So ABC will have 2 Web Sites BUT the one you build will be so much better mmmmmm says ABC two web sites.
    6. Plus ABC will get their Mobile Site wow this looks good...
    7. Plus simply take the Mobile Site and turn it into an app -easy to do - print out the QR codes so customers can scan them when they come in.
    8. What says ABC all this .......... errrrrr NO ABC how about a FACEBOOK page as well.......
    9. And of course SEO and push calls to your best customers
    Now does this sound interesting OR not.

    Plus you can maintain the site for them for a year or more.

    Total cost well thats up to you. However, I run many many many such companies through Host Gator - Business plan offering unlimited everything so the cost to me is about £7 per year per business. Best of all after the first year you charge them for Hosting.

    Depending on the customer my price for all this varies but it takes me about 1 day to put it all together as I have developed a simple process and have all the tools. May be I should do a WSO>
    The client thinks I have spent 2 weeks on this.

    Hope this very brief outline helps and any questions then GET in touch and if you think a WSO on this would help giving all details, e-mails, programs etc would help I will do it and knock it out for £5.

    All the best
    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin B
      Originally Posted by pcobyrne View Post

      I can see the problems and have faced these problems many many times especially 1&1. The way I pitch is as follows and this is a very very brief outline - if you want the full script then I would be happpy to put something together. Lets say the client is ABC Hair.

      1. ABC Hair host with 1&1 pre made template crap.
      2. Explain to ABC Hair 1&1 do not supply any SEO.
      3. Prove the point to them ....look at the keywords (I know it is a small business)
      4. Offer them a free new domain (which you can get .com or .co.uk for £3.25 and yes their is a way to do this) say ABC Hair Studio, ALSO offering them free hosting for a year. WHAT YOU CRY....Stick with me guys this does work.
      5. So ABC will have 2 Web Sites BUT the one you build will be so much better mmmmmm says ABC two web sites.
      6. Plus ABC will get their Mobile Site wow this looks good...
      7. Plus simply take the Mobile Site and turn it into an app -easy to do - print out the QR codes so customers can scan them when they come in.
      8. What says ABC all this .......... errrrrr NO ABC how about a FACEBOOK page as well.......
      9. And of course SEO and push calls to your best customers
      Now does this sound interesting OR not.

      Plus you can maintain the site for them for a year or more.

      Total cost well thats up to you. However, I run many many many such companies through Host Gator - Business plan offering unlimited everything so the cost to me is about £7 per year per business. Best of all after the first year you charge them for Hosting.

      Depending on the customer my price for all this varies but it takes me about 1 day to put it all together as I have developed a simple process and have all the tools. May be I should do a WSO>
      The client thinks I have spent 2 weeks on this.

      Hope this very brief outline helps and any questions then GET in touch and if you think a WSO on this would help giving all details, e-mails, programs etc would help I will do it and knock it out for £5.

      All the best
      Paul
      This sounds very interesting and I would most definitely like to hear more about your strategy on this method.

      What marketing method do you use to get your clients? Telesales, Emails, Field Sales...??
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      • Profile picture of the author pcobyrne
        Originally Posted by Justin B View Post

        This sounds very interesting and I would most definitely like to hear more about your strategy on this method.

        What marketing method do you use to get your clients? Telesales, Emails, Field Sales...??
        I will target a particular area within the UK - Starting off near my home town then moving out area by area. I do not believe in hitting many different areas at once - often tempting but not logical. I will commence with a well scripted e-mail and an excellent video - which contains refers to their web site. The link is simply a copy and paste of their link, CTRL C then CTRL V old DOS users know that one. If I do not get a reply I follow this up with a secound e-mail - yes it does border on spam - with another well scripted e-mail NO video just a link to the video. Then I will do a quick phone call. Then a quick e-mail to say thanks for your time I will not contact you again for another 6 months - if they say NO. It goes into my DataBase by which time I can re-email saying such and such companies are now on board - you are being left behind. Of course I always make sure I can use the companies I mention and have their e-mailed agreement.

        Small and most medium sized companies are not that botherd re meeting you face to face. However, after I have done an area I will take myself off for a day and pop in to see them. Gets me out of the office - get a few referrals and I get to see some of the UK. I dont always do this but as said it get me out and about.

        Plus any builder - hairdresser - takeaway - restaurant etc etc I will pop in get an e-mail address and leave a card.

        Hope it helps and will check back more often to see what other ideas people use or if any one has any questions.

        Good Business to One and All

        Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author blackrabbit
    pcobyrne this is very similar to how we use to do it - glad someone else has found a good formula for selling mobile sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    My serious advice to you... if you come across a customer on any of those platforms, tell them to get proper hosting right away. You should not be limited to what you can do with your own website -- it's ridiculous.

    For $4-$5 a month you can have your own hosting account at Hostgator and then have control over your entire website -- just as you should. To leave your clients on this sort of rubbish hosting is doing them a massive disservice. Move them immediately!
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    Its imperative that business owners (if serious about their future ) have full control over their domains and hosting.

    Selling point number 1 , with the 'big boys' mentioned in the OP post, they dont have control or easy unfettered access to their own domain account. Massive massive issue for future development potential, theyve clearly been missold unknowingly but unsurprisingly too that letting a third party with little interest in their future growth control their domain is a good idea.

    So just that information well delivered and proven will make you their go to person, no rubbishing of the big boys, just unequivocable proof of the above points and future stumbling blocks this will bring. You can sort this for them, give them a better site that they will have control and access to but that can be easier to be developed for a brighter future and theyll never have a dependency on third party big boys again.
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