Apps vs Mobile Websites

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What do you think? Apps vs Mobile Websites?

App benefits:

1. Push notifications
2. Marketing exposure in iTunes and GooglePlay
3. More interactive user experience
4. Retention
5. Faster progression between modules

Mobile Sites:

1. Works on all operating systems
2. Ummmm...help me out guys lol Ok I might be a little bias.

Let's hear your opinion!

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  • Profile picture of the author dmbrennan
    Apps = Retention

    Website = Acquisition
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    • Profile picture of the author hostwindsEvanM
      Originally Posted by dmbrennan View Post

      Apps = Retention

      Website = Acquisition
      This guy really has it right in my opinion. They both serve two completely different purposes, and they should be built as such. 9/10 people who download your app will likely already be familiar with your website, and do not want the runover of the normal crap - they want the goods!
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin B
        Mobile Apps are for customers that want to know more about your business and will continue to follow / purchase from you on an ongoing basis. i.e. not suitable for a plumber, builder, dentist etc...

        Mobile Websites are suitable for every business and more so for the type of customer that wants to get information on your business right away but is unlikely to come back and get more information. These are suitable for the plumber, builder, dentist etc..

        It's highly unlikely that any mobile user will download an app for a plumbing, building business, but if a business offers products that are consistently changing and the customer is a regular purchaser, then the app is more likely to be downloaded.

        It just depends on the type of business your approaching.
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      • Profile picture of the author susansaunders
        my thoughts exactly, well said.
        Originally Posted by hostwindsEvanM View Post

        This guy really has it right in my opinion. They both serve two completely different purposes, and they should be built as such. 9/10 people who download your app will likely already be familiar with your website, and do not want the runover of the normal crap - they want the goods.
        Here are some more benefits to a mobile website:
        -better possibility for acquisition
        -usually the website is the main thing for branding and apps are secondary.
        -easier to bring traffic via the search engines.

        If I were you, I'd build the website first then consider making an app for the website. I suggest making both a regular browser website and a mobile one.
        Originally Posted by App2 View Post

        What do you think? Apps vs Mobile Websites?

        App benefits:

        1. Push notifications
        2. Marketing exposure in iTunes and GooglePlay
        3. More interactive user experience
        4. Retention
        5. Faster progression between modules

        Mobile Sites:

        1. Works on all operating systems
        2. Ummmm...help me out guys lol Ok I might be a little bias.

        Let's hear your opinion!

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  • Profile picture of the author App29
    Or I guess the best of both worlds.... Include your mobile site inside your app I did this with an app recently. LivingSocial has a WAP inside our Sacramento--Eat. Play. Share. app

    I think the main value at this juncture is exposure. By adding keywords to your app placement is a great move. For example: If you sell a diet supplement, market your app with the intention of showing up on the same page as Golds Gym in iTunes.
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  • Profile picture of the author shoopt
    I loves to explore things over web an get updated from that.
    Mobile sites are good as the are compatible with your smart phone and opens quickly but in my view apps are better as they provide complete information in a fixed and mannered layout from specific website or journals.
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  • Profile picture of the author alfid
    I like apps, because they are like PC desktop shortcuts. Of course, many of the apps nowadays lead to an existing mobile site.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Ayling
    A twist is to use mobile web sites that are designed to operate like apps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    stats show that millions of apps are downloaded but the other side is that millions are also deleted.

    Surveys show that most people only use 6 to 10 apps on a regular basis.

    People do go online searching for stuff a lot more.

    The most used apps outside of games are ones that provide some sort of service like banking, email etc or social marketing.

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    • Profile picture of the author shoopt
      Very well said Darling,
      There are lot of differences between mobile sites and apps. Do agree that we must understand key differences between the two.
      Benefits of mobile sites are that they are smaller in size and quickly loads on your mobile browser, while apps provides you access to desired domain information by loading in a simple touch.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jay Moreno
        Originally Posted by shoopt View Post

        Benefits of mobile sites are that they are smaller in size and quickly loads on your mobile browser, while apps provides you access to desired domain information by loading in a simple touch.
        this can also be done with web apps too... ie add a desktop shortcut on an iphone - you can even have the site load in fullscreen mode too with a loading page...
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        • Profile picture of the author dennism70
          Originally Posted by Jay Moreno View Post

          this can also be done with web apps too... ie add a desktop shortcut on an iphone - you can even have the site load in fullscreen mode too with a loading page...
          Jay, what do you use to accomplish that?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jay Moreno
            Originally Posted by dennism70 View Post

            Jay, what do you use to accomplish that?
            its all done using iphone specific meta tags i cant recall off the top of my head the exact name of the tags but when configured properly they will let you set your startup page, the full screen option and the appearance of your status bar and the shortcut icon for your mobile web site/app, there's actually other options too that toggle the address detect and phone detect features - do a search for iphone metatags something should come up

            feel free to pm if you need more info

            cheers

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    Application is one kind of personal on the other hand web site is global .But people a vast amount use application for their daily need ,on the other hand less of them use site for daily or financial and business purpose.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    As DM said/ suggested earlier.

    APPS are for rewarding customer loyalty, making it easier for them to become repeat customers etc

    Sites are for lead gen and conversion

    Ideally and of course there will be plenty of exceptions
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  • Profile picture of the author The IM Diva
    If your website is already mobile device friendly, does it make sense to have a separate mobile site?
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    • Profile picture of the author jurny
      Before you can evaluate the benefits of a mobile website vs. an app it's important to understand the key differences between the two. Both apps and mobile websites are accessed on a handheld devices such as smartphones (e.g. iPhone, Android and Blackberry) and tablets.
      A mobile website is similar to any other website in that it consists of browser-based HTML pages that are linked together and accessed over the Internet (for mobile typically WiFi or 3G or 4G networks). The obvious characteristic that distinguishes a mobile website from a standard website is the fact that it is designed for the smaller handheld display and touch-screen interface.
      Like any website, mobile websites can display text content, data, images and video. They can also access mobile-specific features such as click-to-call (to dial a phone number) or location-based mapping.
      Apps are actual applications that are downloaded and installed on your mobile device, rather than being rendered within a browser. Users visit device-specific portals such as Apple's App Store, Android Market, or Blackberry App World in order to find and download apps for a given operating system. The app may pull content and data from the Internet, in similar fashion to a website, or it may download the content so that it can be accessed without an Internet connection.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennism70
      Originally Posted by iBrandvertise View Post

      I need to ask Cory at app29 what his motive was here because when you get their $36 per/mo package you get an iPhone/iPad/android app plus an html5 mobile site. So I'm somewhat confused by some of his comments. Hmmm
      Like I told you before...he just wants to sell his app services

      Wonder why he got banned??? :rolleyes:

      This forum is to help each other out with stuff, not to sell stuff. That happens enough with the WSO's.

      But back to the thread... I saw the same discussion on another thread as well.

      In my opinion apps are for codes mobile stuff like games and programs and mobile sites are for all other things. Just my opinion. Si to an IM'er I would say; stick to mobile site.

      Using an app for things like information, landingpages, etc. is like driving a Ferrari off-road
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  • Profile picture of the author juanricardo144
    They both work in different ways I find it very interesting the continued discussion about Apps V Mobile Website. In our considered opinion these are two completely different
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    The main difference between apps and mobile websites is they both achieve different user experience.

    The ultimate goal should be: How do I keep the user more engaged?

    With whatever business you have in mind... what can you create to have a greater user experience with the resources that you have?

    Ideally for businesses you will be looking at building a mobile website as this would be a far better user experience for someone seeking to gain more information (for instance hiring a business for the first time). But if perhaps your aim is to reward the best customers of a business then perhaps an app that engages with them is better.
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  • Profile picture of the author ZNICK
    Why not sell one and give the other free as a "bonus for ordering today", or sell either/or for $497 or both for $597 or something like that?

    Since they both have uses, sell them both, silly. Add a monthly fee to manage them as well as a SMS service now they can build a list from the website, as well as send push notifications from the app, and you've added continuity to your sale.

    I'm convinced every business needs both.

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    • Profile picture of the author dennism70
      Originally Posted by iBrandvertise View Post

      Dennism70....If you had a non bias opinion, or app29 wasn't offering a free mobile website, I'd buy it, but looking at your past comments drives me to believe you're all about mobile sites cause that's what you think you know. What does "apps are for codes mobile stuff" mean? Maybe you are foreign? Sorry just got confused.

      So why then are there over 20 million downloads of the Groupons app? Seems we have another I don't know my a** from a hole in the ground...or you push mobile sites cause you, like the majority of people on here use the countless codeless mobile site builders and call yourself a mobile expert. Lol

      Give me one piece of reassuring dialog you know something about the mobile sector aside from what you read in this forum or some YouTube video from another jacka** claiming to be an expert

      People on here ( have even made threads) to get assistance with product suggestions. Quit being a b*t*h and offer up something of substance.
      What the Codes mobile stuff means? Simple, everything which is based on an OS like IOS, Android, etc.

      For all other things you DONT need an app. And why I say mobile sites? Also simple, it's available for everyone to create themselves. App building is more difficult to host yourself and therefor YOU ARE ALWAYS GIVING YOUR LINKJUICE AWAY...

      Not to say I'm an expert, but I think its BETTER TO KEEP YOUR LINKS POINTING TO YOUR OWN DOMAIN. So, I think its better to HOST everything yourself and make use of the links yourself. Where is your App hosted and therefor where is the link going to???

      If you think thats GOOD marketing, FINE. I don't even wanne discuss with you.

      And if I say that PEOPLE TRYING TO PUSH THEIR OWN PRODUCT AND MAKING MONEY WITH IT (did you pay???) don't belong in a thread about helping others... Let him start a WSO and thats it. THATS MY OPINION RIGHT?

      I get that you are blowing up from high up there since YOU did buy something. But dont play it on the person and starting some BS about foreigner and being BIAS....

      You are the only one being BIAS here since you say I only wanne push mobile sites...

      If you really would have read what I wrote down, you would have seen THAT I SEE THAT THERE IS A SPECIFIC PURPOSE FOR APPS. So I don't say DONT MAKE THEM. I just say DONT USE THEM for things you can do with a mobile site which you can host yourself. And for mobile sites there are enough pruducts where you can BUILD and HOST the mobile sites yourself WITHOUT PAYING A MONTHLY FEE like you're doing now.

      And GROUPON is a BIG company that invested a LOT F MONEY to get all those downloads. You're never gonna get that yourself. If you do, you may call me anything you want like BIAS or what ever... But until then, proof that you're right

      Then I will go on with a mobilesite where people can download available coupons they can download after they received an SMS. And I will promote the product with offline and online marketing to build a database of prospects with less money needed than GROUPON used for their APP MARKETING CAMPAIGNS.

      And about being or not being an expert, thats not even an issue here since I gave my opinion. But if you do like to know, I earned my credits in offline marketing since 20 years or so serving clients like Green Peace, the TOP Dutch publishers, etc. Creating new marketing campaigns in a different way by mixing the available tools. And offline is still no different then online beside using different tools for suspecting, prospecting and selling services or products to reach your audience.

      And what about apps not being used or hardly being used after downloading, which in itself is a bigger treshold. And how many (%) off those apps get deleted in a while? Which apps DO stay on the mobile phones of people?

      Downloading apps is a hype and after a while it will be what its meant for. a way of downloading usable platform related PROGRAMS. Now people are downloading everything they see because its HYPE and NEW, thats why the figures state a LARGE % off apps being deleted again after a 1 time use.

      But you know whats MOST used by mobile owners?
      Right, searches and news. Which are all mobile website based.... But they dont go play a game or edit pictures on mobile website. Thats where apps come in... Loadingtime is key and gives apps the benefit for those kind of usages.

      But then again, thats just my opinion based on my experience in marketing.

      And for you Ibrand... I know why you're pushing App29...Everybody buying it should mention the name Barry right??? LOL

      And every thread where I see App29 I also see Ibrandvertise claiming HOW GREAT APPS ARE...Good luck to your app selling business App29 and Barry!
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    • Profile picture of the author dennism70
      Originally Posted by iBrandvertise View Post

      My point is simple.... Apps aren't just for games. Regardless of the money put into marketing and advertising dollars spent my point (of which you missed) that's what the user wants, proving your "apps are for games" comment to be irrelivent.

      I only come across a "good thing" once in a blue moon. App29 is a "great thing" so yes I capitalized on it. This weekend I had 36 people sign up for app29. Every one of them are amazed at the platform as the comment section blew up on app29's webinar 10 min into it.

      Therefore I am smiling all the way to the bank, and you're still pushing mobile websites. AGAIN, nothing wrong with mobile website, everything wrong with NOT having both for clients. It's like saying, I'm going to put all my money in a billboard and not advertising anywhere else. It's just you letting ignorance stand in the way of true success...not your success, your clients success. Bam! Lol
      Again... Apps have a place in mobile, but not as a SELLING machine...

      I'm NOT saying you shouldn't do apps. I'm saying, use them where they will have a BETTER ROI then mobile sites. It's not a question of competing with one and another. They have DIFFERENT USES.

      Better build a game or something related to your business, throw it in the markets and use it as a marketing tool to blast your online or offline business.

      All other things beside games and programs have a VERY SHORT LIFESPAN on mobile phones (already proven by numbers). Mobile websites stay alive thru al the different channels you use an can be interesting to people at a later time. An app will not be downloaded a second time (mostly)

      Hope you get it this time since it looks your reading isn't to good :rolleyes:

      Oh yeah, why you dont comment on the fact its EASIER to host mobile websites than hosting your own apps so you dont give away your SERP for free.
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    • Most people don't know it, but mobile apps is "already" huge, and a lot of people are banking thousands daily off of apps that "aren't" video games.

      I am not going to get into all aspects of this, but the prices on the app29 website are pretty high... I make apps for a living so its important to find a provider that offers unlimited applications, unless your goal is only to create a few apps and then chances are you won't be living off of it but only making spare change.

      I have created dozens of mobiles sites but none of them ever generated me instant free traffic, this is what mobile apps can provide. The key is to integrate your mobile site and mobile app together... ta da we are on to something!
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      • Profile picture of the author ZNICK
        Originally Posted by ChristopherGabriel View Post

        Most people don't know it, but mobile apps is "already" huge, and a lot of people are banking thousands daily off of apps that "aren't" video games.

        I am not going to get into all aspects of this, but the prices on the app29 website are pretty high... I make apps for a living so its important to find a provider that offers unlimited applications, unless your goal is only to create a few apps and then chances are you won't be living off of it but only making spare change.

        I have created dozens of mobiles sites but none of them ever generated me instant free traffic, this is what mobile apps can provide.

        *********The key is to integrate your mobile site and mobile app together... ta da we are on to something!*********
        Ding ding ding, we have a winner!!!

        This is exactly what I said above. Be creative and package BOTH of them together and not only do you make more money, but you also prepare the client for the future and things we have no idea will even be possible yet.

        In addition, you've overcome the "I'll have the guy who made my site make my mobile site" objection if you charge them for the App and give the mobile site away for FREE! He's not buying a website, he's buying an app... that his "regular guy" likely can't/won't provide.

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      • Profile picture of the author dennism70
        Originally Posted by Jay Moreno View Post

        its all done using iphone specific meta tags i cant recall off the top of my head the exact name of the tags but when configured properly they will let you set your startup page, the full screen option and the appearance of your status bar and the shortcut icon for your mobile web site/app, there's actually other options too that toggle the address detect and phone detect features - do a search for iphone metatags something should come up

        feel free to pm if you need more info

        cheers

        jay
        Is it also doable for the other OS's?

        Originally Posted by ChristopherGabriel View Post

        Most people don't know it, but mobile apps is "already" huge, and a lot of people are banking thousands daily off of apps that "aren't" video games.

        I am not going to get into all aspects of this, but the prices on the app29 website are pretty high... I make apps for a living so its important to find a provider that offers unlimited applications, unless your goal is only to create a few apps and then chances are you won't be living off of it but only making spare change.

        I have created dozens of mobiles sites but none of them ever generated me instant free traffic, this is what mobile apps can provide. The key is to integrate your mobile site and mobile app together... ta da we are on to something!
        Thats what Ive been saying to. Apps only arent multi usable and I still think a lot of IM'ers are looking at it as a product instead of what it really is... A marketing tool. The path to sell a product or build a brand.

        I just DONT like people pushing their product on a forum like what app29 has done. Especially where its been pushed like the solution for EVERYTHING which it just isn't.

        But maybe you can enlighten the crowd by telling them what kind of apps are suited to market and which not :rolleyes:

        I also just dont think you can use apps for all businesses in their marketing mix where I think mobile websites like normal websites will suit every business in the marketing mix.
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        • Profile picture of the author wislndixie
          Is it also doable for the other OS's?

          Just google "how to add a shortcut on your homescreen" and you'll find plenty of sites to show you how easy it is, especially for android. Once done, all you have to do is tap your image and your mobile website opens up just like a mobile app would on your phone.

          You can create mobile apps super easy for FREE at appgeyser.com
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  • You can check militarydroid.com, this was a one time project where I created 10+ apps and a website to go with it in a single day. This nets $250-$300 every month.

    That's why apps/mobile-sites are completely different things... In my book anyways. My goal is to "make money selling apps", not selling apps to offline businesses. Trust me I've done that to, but it is a pain in the a** in comparison.

    About the topic at hand-

    Integrating mobile apps/sites and making a profit can be tricky, never send app traffic to website pages with mobile adsense! It is against the TOS!

    I am heavy heavy into the app markets but I have a friend who does a lot of integrating between the two.. If you have a good application which links to 15-20 awesome mobile pages on your website, it can benefit your site traffic, app traffic tends to view 10+ pages every round so imagine sending near unlimited traffic like this to your mobile site, this is a good way in promoting an authority 'pure mobile' website. You'll be able to see the statistics in your analytic, across the board your website will at least appear more trustworthy to the search gods.

    I haven't done this yet but I would really like to!
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      Originally Posted by ChristopherGabriel View Post

      You can check militarydroid.com, this was a one time project where I created 10+ apps and a website to go with it in a single day. This nets $250-$300 every month.

      That's why apps/mobile-sites are completely different things... In my book anyways. My goal is to "make money selling apps", not selling apps to offline businesses. Trust me I've done that to, but it is a pain in the a** in comparison.

      About the topic at hand-

      Integrating mobile apps/sites and making a profit can be tricky, never send app traffic to website pages with mobile adsense! It is against the TOS!

      I am heavy heavy into the app markets but I have a friend who does a lot of integrating between the two.. If you have a good application which links to 15-20 awesome mobile pages on your website, it can benefit your site traffic, app traffic tends to view 10+ pages every round so imagine sending near unlimited traffic like this to your mobile site, this is a good way in promoting an authority 'pure mobile' website. You'll be able to see the statistics in your analytic, across the board your website will at least appear more trustworthy to the search gods.

      I haven't done this yet but I would really like to!
      Thats the way to use apps and make money with them.

      Altough I wonder if they will be using them during their survival when they are deep into mud. Maybe you can suggest buying a mobile phone which doesn't break down while on survival. I no there are a few around and since your audience is into survival... Maybe you can make a few bucks more a month with the same apps
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      • Originally Posted by dennism70 View Post

        Thats the way to use apps and make money with them.

        Altough I wonder if they will be using them during their survival when they are deep into mud. Maybe you can suggest buying a mobile phone which doesn't break down while on survival. I no there are a few around and since your audience is into survival... Maybe you can make a few bucks more a month with the same apps
        Lmao, yes trust me I thought about that. And also the fact that if you are stuck in the wild, I'm sure the last thing you'll do is drain your phone battery reading a survival guide!

        I think the buying mentality is that a lot of people read this material while their on a greyhound, airplane trip, bored in the car etc. I would hope this wasn't someones last resort in an emergency situation, unless they have extra cell phone batteries =P
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          Originally Posted by ChristopherGabriel View Post

          Lmao, yes trust me I thought about that. And also the fact that if you are stuck in the wild, I'm sure the last thing you'll do is drain your phone battery reading a survival guide!

          I think the buying mentality is that a lot of people read this material while their on a greyhound, airplane trip, bored in the car etc. I would hope this wasn't someones last resort in an emergency situation, unless they have extra cell phone batteries =P
          Well my dear...you already answered your own question/remark.

          Sell a packet including enough backup batteries to survive for days or weeks...
          Or maybe a survival jacket WITH solarpanels for powering your batterie needs, they are around. I know where to find them to
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  • A business with high customer retention is a good candidate for a mobile app.

    If someone clogs their toilet, they call a plumber. Hence PPC, organic rankings, phone page articles (haha, I know) and so forth are good methods to monetize, not a mobile app. Even if the plumber had a mobile application and a qr code to download it on his business card, people only need to 'call" the plumber so why set extra obstacles? Basically, a plumber would never need a mobile app.

    A high class restaurant/night-club is a great candidate for a mobile app, someones favorite night club is worthy of an application spot on their phone, especially if they keep getting great push notification discounts through the phone that keep them coming in!

    I know a lot of businesses that are using mobile applications creatively to enhance their brand, some types of businesses don't need to enhance their brand, like a plumber, they just have to put their number in more places.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dante2k
      Hi. All this talk about the app versus mobile site is all well and good. But what I need to know and can't find anyone explaining is exactly how an app is installed onto the phone and implemented. I understand that mobile sites remain on the hosting server and users view it there, fine. We're told apps are loaded onto the phone. Great but how??

      If you really want to "help each other" how about someone explain (or point to the info source) the steps to actually using an app from our client's site who simply wants to get it into his customer's phone so he can send push notices and ads:

      1-Exactly how is the app moved from my website/desktop to the user's phone? Can it be done without using a third party service who charges you?
      2-How does he send his push notice or ad to reach out to his list?

      All the comparisons in the world about apps won't help if we don't even know how to implement them, right?

      Thanks
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        Originally Posted by Dante2k View Post

        Hi. All this talk about the app versus mobile site is all well and good. But what I need to know and can't find anyone explaining is exactly how an app is installed onto the phone and implemented. I understand that mobile sites remain on the hosting server and users view it there, fine. We're told apps are loaded onto the phone. Great but how??

        If you really want to "help each other" how about someone explain (or point to the info source) the steps to actually using an app from our client's site who simply wants to get it into his customer's phone so he can send push notices and ads:

        1-Exactly how is the app moved from my website/desktop to the user's phone? Can it be done without using a third party service who charges you?
        2-How does he send his push notice or ad to reach out to his list?

        All the comparisons in the world about apps won't help if we don't even know how to implement them, right?

        Thanks
        Once your mobile app is created, it must be "hosted" somewhere so it can be downloaded into the users phone. The user is better served by downloading the app directly into their phone from wherever the app is hosted. If you don't want to use a third party service like google play, appgeyser and others then in your example above, your client can upload the app to his own server. Then he needs to create a download link so that the user can go to the clients site with their phone, click on the link and download it to their phone. Once it's downloaded, the phone will self install the app.

        Here is a link on how to create a download link using a button on your own website: How to Create a Download Button: 6 steps - wikiHow

        Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennism70
      Originally Posted by iBrandvertise View Post

      While you guys were chatting it up like a couple old ladies playing bridge I sold an app to a Mr. Pickles franchise for $1,500 today...oh yea, I'm already done building it too.
      Good for you that you finally are making money too...
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    • Profile picture of the author App29
      Originally Posted by iBrandvertise View Post

      While you guys were chatting it up like a couple old ladies playing bridge I sold an app to a Mr. Pickles franchise for $1,500 today...oh yea, I'm already done building it too.

      Great job Barry! I really love the VIP Club, it will help keep people using the app
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  • Hahahaha, yes congratulations! I choose not to deal with offline businesses anymore because of the lazy/stress factor involved with it. It is easier to earn without the communication.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennism70
      Originally Posted by ChristopherGabriel View Post

      Hahahaha, yes congratulations! I choose not to deal with offline businesses anymore because of the lazy/stress factor involved with it. It is easier to earn without the communication.

      But for a slightly bigger company like a multinational you will make an exeption right
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      • Originally Posted by dennism70 View Post

        But for a slightly bigger company like a multinational you will make an exeption right
        Absolutely =P
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        • Profile picture of the author dennism70
          Originally Posted by ChristopherGabriel View Post

          Absolutely =P
          Well, then you have the right state of mind

          Why don't you tell the newbies how they can create an app easy and with not much cost involved like say way under 36 a month Or at least help them on their way... thats what this forum is all about right.

          For otherwise they will end up paying money per month to find out later that that wasn't necessary

          Nothing to do with you Chris, but i'm somehow being reminded about how much I hate those USED CARS SALESMEN. Can't figure out why do???

          BTW Chris, whats your opinion about what data you can gather from apps vs (mobile)websites?
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          • Profile picture of the author App29
            Originally Posted by dennism70 View Post

            Well, then you have the right state of mind

            Why don't you tell the newbies how they can create an app easy and with not much cost involved like say way under 36 a month Or at least help them on their way... thats what this forum is all about right.

            For otherwise they will end up paying money per month to find out later that that wasn't necessary

            Nothing to do with you Chris, but i'm somehow being reminded about how much I hate those USED CARS SALESMEN. Can't figure out why do???

            BTW Chris, whats your opinion about what data you can gather from apps vs (mobile)websites?
            Ummm ok...yes anyone can build apps for free, here are your options:

            Chris mentioned a program in this thread. I actually am familiar with SeattleClouds, it's a template based app builder. However, they do charge a per app fee or a onetime fee for unlimited apps. However, be careful of their fees, and what option you choose, because you could get stuck paying every time you want to update your app. There is no FREE lunch If you desire something more customizable and free you should choose the second option...

            Build your own apps...Apple and Google charge a very small license fee ($99 Apple and $25 Google). These are annual fees. The rest is totally free! You won't get charged a dime for building your apps. However, unless you have CSS and Java knowledge, you won't stand a chance. For $36 per/mo and what we offer, I challenge you to find anything at a lesser price offering the same features and control
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            • Profile picture of the author dennism70
              Originally Posted by App29 View Post

              Ummm ok...yes anyone can build apps for free, here are your options:

              Chris mentioned a program in this thread. I actually am familiar with SeattleClouds, it's a template based app builder. However, they do charge a per app fee or a onetime fee for unlimited apps. However, be careful of their fees, and what option you choose, because you could get stuck paying every time you want to update your app. There is no FREE lunch If you desire something more customizable and free you should choose the second option...

              Build your own apps...Apple and Google charge a very small license fee ($99 Apple and $25 Google). These are annual fees. The rest is totally free! You won't get charged a dime for building your apps. However, unless you have CSS and Java knowledge, you won't stand a chance. For $36 per/mo and what we offer, I challenge you to find anything at a lesser price offering the same features and control
              I'm sorry, I didn't ask YOU anything... I don't need the "why we are the best answer"

              I asked Chris to enlighten the newbies, for he's the one who's DOING APPS and not TRYING TO SELL A SERVICES on a HELP FORUM.

              But thanks anyway for your opinion :rolleyes:

              Ohhh, and WP is also build with CSS and more.... Still anybody can build a WP site
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              • Profile picture of the author App29
                Originally Posted by dennism70 View Post

                I'm sorry, I didn't ask YOU anything... I don't need the "why we are the best answer"

                I asked Chris to enlighten the newbies, for he's the one who's DOING APPS and not TRYING TO SELL A SERVICES on a HELP FORUM.

                But thanks anyway for your opinion :rolleyes:

                Ohhh, and WP is also build with CSS and more.... Still anybody can build a WP site
                Ok I'll dumb it down for you...not too many warriors WRITE CSS CODE. Lmao, man some people are so smart.
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                • Profile picture of the author Brian F Adams
                  Every business can benefit by a mobile website. Not all businesses will have clients who will download an app.
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                  • Profile picture of the author dennism70
                    Originally Posted by Brian F Adams View Post

                    Every business can benefit by a mobile website. Not all businesses will have clients who will download an app.
                    Yes, and the 8 apps app29/mobilebrand.com has in the markets prove just that!!!

                    8 apps with all <50 downloads and search related functions made over a period of??? Heck, my worst websites get more visitors from Google a day...

                    He claims he's in business since 2004 or so! Apps don't even excist that long... the domain is that old, so he had at least a vision that mobile would become something unless he just registered it from somebody who didn't do anything with it

                    He must have thought with his WHITE LABEL product he purchased he could sucker in some newbies with little knowledge about apps en its uses who are desperate to make some money somewhere and see the app market as the heaven of mobile marketing...

                    Rest my case, wasted to much time on this clown with his Paypal button on his site JUST linking to Paypal.com...
                    And with a WP login where the username is admin. I ask you...

                    So, app29, If you go on like this I will give your password as well and YOU WONT BE A HAPPY CAMPER!!!
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                    • Profile picture of the author App29
                      Originally Posted by dennism70 View Post

                      Yes, and the 8 apps app29/mobilebrand.com has in the markets prove just that!!!

                      8 apps with all <50 downloads and search related made over a period of???

                      He claims he's in business since 2004 or so! Apps don't even excist that long... the domain is that old, so he had at least a vision that mobile would become something unless he just registered it from somebody who didn't do anything with it

                      He must have thought with his WHITE LABEL product he purchased he could sucker in some newbies with little knowledge about apps en its uses who are desperate to make some money somewhere and see the app market as the heaven of mobile marketing...

                      Rest my case, wasted to much time on this clown with his Paypal button on his site JUST linking to Paypal.com...
                      Oh man you got me there! Guess you couldn't figure out how to see my 300+ apps for clients. Hey jacka** its called a developer account. Why would my clients want me to use my developer account. LMAO what a dumbs***

                      You just can't stop putting your foot in your mouth can you? What's wrong your sidekick not giving you any attention. LOL

                      So let's see what you've done besides give a bunch of warriors bad advice on stuff you know nothing about...

                      I'm waiting....
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                    • Profile picture of the author hotel001
                      application one of the user and human work reduced. and mobile websites are application run the mobile websites.
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                      Application one of the user and human work reduced. and mobile websites are application run the mobile websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author App29
    Wow this thread got some attention lol Yea I wanted to get an idea of what your opinions are. Here at App29 we offer both, which I think is so important. Regarding app relevancy, gaining exposure to iPhone and Android app users will always be relevant.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennism70
    What kind of data can you gather with apps for marketing purposes?
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    • Profile picture of the author App29
      Originally Posted by dennism70 View Post

      What kind of data can you gather with apps for marketing purposes?
      Whatever data you want. What phone they use, where they are, same data multi billion dollar ad company admob pulls. They arent anything special, you can pull the same data.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennism70
    So beside the nice way out in virtual perspective that is...

    Still want to claim you're "company" is selling apps since a LONG time? And its a "High Tech" company...

    Then DONT LET IT GET HACKED in the next days... A FRESH WP INSTALL with a NICE THEME and the newbie mistake of admin as a user name...

    I would change very quick, but that doesn't protect WP if you leave at that...

    BTW, nice plugin you have...Superfish!

    Ohhh, and another piece of advice. Let Brandmobile.com become mobile friendly since your claiming to be a mobile expert

    AMATEUR!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author iBrandvertise
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    You are such a sleeze I'm sure everyone will want to do biz with a hacker. Stupid human. Nothing to show but a useless piece of crappy seo specs. Sad. Uhhh yea it easy to find the username it shows you if the username is correct. Stop pretending to be a hacker based on something obvious. Your scare tactics are so lame. You should just ask your girl, we were making her say it last night while she was gargling our...
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    • Profile picture of the author TommyTom
      Originally Posted by iBrandvertise View Post

      You are such a sleeze I'm sure everyone will want to do biz with a hacker. Stupid human. Nothing to show but a useless piece of crappy seo specs. Sad. Uhhh yea it easy to find the username it shows you if the username is correct. Stop pretending to be a hacker based on something obvious. Your scare tactics are so lame. You should just ask your girl, we were making her say it last night while she was gargling our...


      Did you really just refer to someone as a "stupid human"? What are you? Some sort of advanced homosapian being that blesses us with your awesome human communication skills? You then go on about how you were banging his girl last night ... right, lol. You realize this guy lives on the other side of the planet? Oh wait, of course you do. You were just trying to "act" like a 12 year old to showcase your acting talents. Bravo young chap, bravo.

      And FFS ... please stop with the "we" and the "our" comments. We get that you are App29's little sidekick. But coming on here and saying how you have male/male/female threesomes is just sick and inappropriate.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennism70
      Originally Posted by iBrandvertise View Post

      You are such a sleeze I'm sure everyone will want to do biz with a hacker. Stupid human. Nothing to show but a useless piece of crappy seo specs. Sad. Uhhh yea it easy to find the username it shows you if the username is correct. Stop pretending to be a hacker based on something obvious. Your scare tactics are so lame. You should just ask your girl, we were making her say it last night while she was gargling our...
      It was just some friendly advice to a WP newbie and App expert. That its so obvious is the first and most overlooked security risk by those new to WP. That means a real hacker only has to let any of his programs retrieve the password!

      As I do find security IMPORTANT for both me and MY CLIENTS I do check those things on all my sites. I'm not a hacker, but I do test my sites for those security risks.

      And because I was feeling sorry for you guys I did also check the website in order to see if buying your service would be safe in usage.

      All apps I would build with your service and all my info in the database ARE NOT SECURE. So if I would build apps using your service I would bring my clients at risk, which is the last thing I would like to do.

      Just be happy I pointed it out to you before a real hacker makes it clear to you and worst, to all people using your service!

      Your welcome for the advice
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  • Profile picture of the author IMVIKING
    people often go to a mobile website and check it out, with an app you have to install it which most people won't prefer
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    • Profile picture of the author dennism70
      Originally Posted by IMVIKING View Post

      people often go to a mobile website and check it out, with an app you have to install it which most people won't prefer
      That goes for online searches for sure. But apps are also getting searched in the market places. Find out the most common searches for apps and you will now what kind of apps will be an asset to the marketing mix. Google does provide this kind off data.

      I'm not in to apps perse, so I can't point out where Google show those results, but I heard from relaible sourches (app makers) that its available to the public just like adword.
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  • Profile picture of the author AyoyA
    Goes either way. If no need for an app then just make a site.
    Some clients need a mobile site (or responsive site) and a mobile app for specific thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaneSebastion
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      Hi there,

      Anybody here in the Apps marketing area that can provide advice on which Apps builder is the best for providing my local businesses an App with push notifications etc etc. It needs to be able to do Apple, Android and maybe put out a html5 mobile page as well.

      Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
    I question anyone who says they have created 300+ apps for businesses - or at least how they are defining "apps". A lot of mobile marketers use the phrases "mobile apps" and "mobile websites" differently to business owners. When most people hear the phrase "apps", they think about iPhone apps, which are still the dominant player, although Android is catching up.

    The thing is, all of us know about the strict approval process that Apple has, and the value they place on their user experience. There is no such approval process for Android, unless you're submitting the app to the Amazon App Store.

    The bottom line, to me, is that you have to look at the intended purpose of an app or mobile website. For a vast majority of businesses, the purpose of either is for someone to be able to find/consume goods or services from that business or enhance the user experience through things like menus, reservation assistance or monitoring, or learn more. A lot of businesses can achieve all that can be done with an app by using a mobile website, and the potential users don't have to go through multiple steps, and you as a developer don't have to go through multiple steps.

    Think about yourself in how you use apps. And think about something like Papa Johns pizza or something. I think they have an app and a mobile website, and they both can let you do the same basic things. You can choose and order a pizza to be picked up or delivered. How many people are more prone to go to papajohns.com on their browser to do this, vs going to the app store, searching for papa johns, downloading the app, installing the app, and learning to use the app?

    Apps have their place, but I think the hype is coming from people with a vested interest in promoting their product or service. Something like a church, a gym, a sports team, and many others can benefit from an app.

    But to me, at the end of the day, the answer is - whatever is right for the business and the consumers that business is serving.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Hower
      I would say combine them.

      Thanks to the WF I am to beginning to understand why apps are appropriate for
      some types of businesses as well as mobile sites for other types of businesses.

      I have bought all the WSOs in both areas and must say I have learned a lot from
      them especially since I had a worldwide project in mind already before and I was
      really searching for information.

      I am working on a really big project which was to be mobile websites only but now
      shortly before introducing it to the market I have stopped and will take the time to
      integrate apps as well.

      Of course once it is ready for the roll out I will show here what I made by combining
      all that WSO information

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    • Profile picture of the author profitableblog
      Incredible thread with tons of energy! A couple of thoughts come to mind:

      If you have an app, you still need a mobile website since new visitors will come through smartphones. However, if you have a mobile website (web app), you may not need a native app.

      If you don't have a significant amount of either foot traffic or website traffic, it seems to me a native app is not optimal because you will just be lost in 500,000 Itunes apps without downloads. I'm always surprised to find some apps that are unbelievably cool but are dead in the water because nobody can find them - a couple of sports ones come to mind but I'm not going to list them so it doesn't appear I'm selling or marketing something.

      I'd love to see a thread of "undiscovered" cool apps but it would probably just become a marketing link. If anyone has some low/undiscovered games or business apps that are cool - I'd love to see them as they are a great way to build things for customers and we can all benefit IMHO. Anybody else agree?

      Feel free to PM to me if you don't want to look like you are marketing since 2 or more people in this thread are already banned....


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  • Profile picture of the author TimeTravelAgent
    I prefer apps for the pros you mentioned. Besides, most of them can be accessed offline, so you're targeting a much bigger audience.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennism70
    Even if a app is the way to go for you, consider this:

    1. Where are people gonna find your app?
    Like someone else mentioned there are enough apps not being noticed. So you need a web presence to. Now on what device do people tend to find you? I.e. you need a mobile website for that.

    2. Instance pushbutton?
    Instance pushbutton notification is in my opinion overrated, since a mobile website can be updated realtime to and because the user will will be online they will see the updates, so its like an instance notification!

    3. Offline vs online?
    An app can be used offline, sure. But needs to be online to update i.e. new download. So the offline content is as fresh as the last time updated. A mobile website, also the ones acting like an app, are always up to date.

    4. Marketing?
    Both can be marketed very efficient with the same tools. Apps are covered in the marketplace where mobile websites are not, but this can be covered by transferring your mobisite to an app or let the mobile website be downloaded and pinned to the homescreen.

    5. Uses?
    One advantage for sure is that the app can be a program, game or similair which can't be done with a mobile website.

    My conclusion;
    Putting your efforts on only an app are not the way to go since for marketing purposes and findability you do need an online presence as well. And the risk with an app is that if ones decided to delete an app they will not download it a second time in many cases since the app name is the recognistion part. And apps do get deleted a lot A mobile website can be found again on different content and keywords and therefor be a new boost for looking at it. So you will always need online or offline print to keep the app alive.And offline is offcourse more expensive, so online is a must for ROI matters. And since users will be mobile users you need the online to be mobile to i.e. a mobile website. i think its better to go the other way around and use apps as an addition to your mobile presence.

    Use both where possible
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Those stats above don't really mean much to me.

    Yes, people definitely spend a lot of time on apps but that doesn't mean anything to the local business owner. The reason that graph above shows peoples spending more time on apps is because most people use just a couple of apps all the time. Things like Facebook, Twitter, and popular games such as Angry Birds. They are things you use constantly. What those stats do NOT show you though is all the other apps people have installed on their phone that they never touch after install.

    If you are a small local business then it makes a lot more sense to have a mobile web presence rather than an app. It's definitely not a case of either or. You HAVE to have a mobile web presence. Whether you decide to then build an app is optional but the mobile web presence is not.
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    • Profile picture of the author TopicSpan
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Those stats above don't really mean much to me.

      Yes, people definitely spend a lot of time on apps but that doesn't mean anything to the local business owner. The reason that graph above shows peoples spending more time on apps is because most people use just a couple of apps all the time. Things like Facebook, Twitter, and popular games such as Angry Birds. They are things you use constantly. What those stats do NOT show you though is all the other apps people have installed on their phone that they never touch after install.

      If you are a small local business then it makes a lot more sense to have a mobile web presence rather than an app. It's definitely not a case of either or. You HAVE to have a mobile web presence. Whether you decide to then build an app is optional but the mobile web presence is not.
      I completely disagree with your premise. Facebook's mobile website (m.facebook.com) as well as their ultra-low bandwidth site (0.facebook.com) are far more heavily trafficked than their app. That is why the graph at the end showing user preference based on individual tasks is important. In other words: if you run an instant messaging service, it would be beneficial for you to merely have an informative mobile web portal. Running an instant messaging service on HTML 4 and JS is a nightmare. You would have an app that people would download to actually chat to each other. On the other hand, if you have an online shop, you will likely find that a fully fledged mobile ecommerce site will do a lot better than an ecommerce app. There is a ton of research data we were given by GearTri.be, who are extremely experienced mobile app (and web!) developers, and the detail in the infographic rings true for their data as well.
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        Originally Posted by TopicSpan View Post

        I completely disagree with your premise. Facebook's mobile website (m.facebook.com) as well as their ultra-low bandwidth site (0.facebook.com) are far more heavily trafficked than their app.
        Um sorry, did I miss something?

        You disagree with me yet you just proved my point by what you said above. Exactly, mobile websites are far more efficient than apps. Thanks for that.
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    • Profile picture of the author wislndixie
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Those stats above don't really mean much to me.

      Yes, people definitely spend a lot of time on apps but that doesn't mean anything to the local business owner. The reason that graph above shows peoples spending more time on apps is because most people use just a couple of apps all the time. Things like Facebook, Twitter, and popular games such as Angry Birds. They are things you use constantly. What those stats do NOT show you though is all the other apps people have installed on their phone that they never touch after install.

      If you are a small local business then it makes a lot more sense to have a mobile web presence rather than an app. It's definitely not a case of either or. You HAVE to have a mobile web presence. Whether you decide to then build an app is optional but the mobile web presence is not.
      Couldn't agree more!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author freebuys
    In my opinion Apps is better then mobile websites .The benefits of using apps is so more in IT sector. I'm always comfortable with all of those apps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Njenyus
    Will, efficiency and effectiveness are two different things. I do agree with what you have said. However, when used creatively (speaking from experience), I have clients who use mobile apps that far outdo what was capable on a mobile website. With that being said, I have my clients integrate both to offer the customers a sales flow that loops and expands across both platforms.
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  • Profile picture of the author NerdGary
    The WHOLE idea of creating a native app is that you can upload it to the ANDROID PLAY market.. yeah.. thats the place where quadrillions of people download apps.. I never ever in my life downloaded an app from a website to my phone.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by NerdGary View Post

      The WHOLE idea of creating a native app is that you can upload it to the ANDROID PLAY market.. yeah.. thats the place where quadrillions of people download apps.. I never ever in my life downloaded an app from a website to my phone.
      ... and when I'm searching for a business I don't go to the app store... I go to Google and type in their business name, as do most people. Thus a mobile website is a much more logical solution for the majority of small businesses out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author MobiDev
    At first you need to set up the end goal. Likely, you create a mobile tool for your customers, so ask yourself what they would prefer. You can check the advantages and disadvantages of both solutions here http://sixrevisions.com/mobile/native-app-vs-mobile-web-app-comparison/ If you need an easy and optimized website version, you can choose a mobive website. In case you wish to get a great tool for entertainment and interaction, you may develop a native app.
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  • Profile picture of the author networkempire
    I could make anyone a mobile website which behaves like an app.
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  • Profile picture of the author eternalsongbird
    If you use personally, then you will have to use apps. For global use website is perfect.
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    i've been creating apps for a long time and I assume it's not easy to monetize them. though I did it, via smartadserver and Epom.
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