Ethical or not you decide

by mcfcok
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I have come accross a couple of UK businesses that appear to be white label resellers of biznessapps offering a franchise for $10,000. Doesn't sit right with me what do you guys think?

Dave
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  • Why care? If thats how people want to make money, fair enough but franchising to me personally isnt worth the hassle and is a bit of a con in my humble opinion. Much better just growing your own business and brand and having complete control of your destiny
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  • Profile picture of the author iwillbeontop
    I too use Biznessapps and charge clients $6k+++

    We are all resellers in one way or another.... I'd stay out of it brother... I dont want any bad business karma.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Buy low, sell high. What's unethical about it?
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      • Profile picture of the author mcfcok
        Say if i set up an account wiv bizapps then start charging people like you a $10,000 franchise fee when you can just go to bizapps yourself .

        Not on about what ya charge businesses I couldn't give a flying fook about that.

        Comprende?
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  • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
    In My Opinion.
    Charging people $10,000 franchise fee when you can just go to bizapps yourself will probably come back and bite your - you know what!

    I wonder if biznessapps approves these kind of deals? Also when talking about Franchising that involves many legal problems!

    Andre
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    • Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post

      In My Opinion.
      Charging people $10,000 franchise fee when you can just go to bizapps yourself will probably come back and bite your - you know what!

      I wonder if biznessapps approves these kind of deals? Also when talking about Franchising that involves many legal problems!

      Andre

      franchise law is important. they could be doing something that the franchisor would not allow.

      can I sell a Mcdonalds!
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  • Profile picture of the author iwillbeontop
    Here's why I see nothing wrong with it..... Lets say you have a franchise fee of $10k yearly... Thats nothing... Ive never sold an App (With biznessapp Technology) for less than $3k yearly... Two App clients a month @ $3k each x 12 months equals....$72K.

    I am a firm believer in karma and the gold rule but I see absolutely nothing wrong with him charging a $10k franchise fee.
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    • Profile picture of the author taranisman
      Could you maybe post the link to this site so we can all take a look at it? or not...
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    • Profile picture of the author mcfcok
      Originally Posted by iwillbeontop View Post

      Here's why I see nothing wrong with it..... Lets say you have a franchise fee of $10k yearly... Thats nothing... Ive never sold an App (With biznessapp Technology) for less than $3k yearly... Two App clients a month @ $3k each x 12 months equals....$72K.

      I am a firm believer in karma and the gold rule but I see absolutely nothing wrong with him charging a $10k franchise fee.
      Disagree, anyone can set-up with bizapps (free trial included) all he is doing is letting people use his biz name which btw was only registered this jan lol.

      Fair play to the kid if he sucks ppl in but i wouldn't be happy if i found out he was using bizapps and i could have gone directly and saved £10k. Infact I'd slap the cheeky c**t silly!!
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  • Profile picture of the author iwillbeontop
    Would you stop random customers shopping at Publix, Winn Dixie, etc.... And tell them they can buy toilet paper and paper towels cheaper at Costco or Walmart?

    Do you stop the people shopping at Bloomingdale's and Macy's and tell them they are spending too much and can find some of the same stuff at Marshalls, Burlington, TJ Maxx
    etc.

    All he is doing is reselling a service. Which btw, is allowed by biznessapps and encouraged. Just my humble opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author mcfcok
      Originally Posted by iwillbeontop View Post

      Would you stop random customers shopping at Publix, Winn Dixie, etc.... And tell them they can buy toilet paper and paper towels cheaper at Costco or Walmart?

      Do you stop the people shopping at Bloomingdale's and Macy's and tell them they are spending too much and can find some of the same stuff at Marshalls, Burlington, TJ Maxx
      etc.

      All he is doing is reselling a service. Which btw, is allowed by biznessapps and encouraged. Just my humble opinion.
      Resell the service to businesses who need an app yes and earn as much as possible. He's selling a model to ppl looking to offer apps to businesses. Would you be happy paying him $10k then you find out he just uses biz apps which you could have done directly yourself for a few dollars? Surely you wouldn't mug yourself off like that?

      I came accross his site as i'm looking to start selling apps and lucky for me noticed this guy is just using a platform i can use myself saving me $10k.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        You're assuming he's only selling what you can get directly from bizzapp.

        McDonald's sells it's franchises for a lot more than it costs to buy the equipment, buns, beef, cheese, etc.

        If he's selling them a proven system of making money selling bizzappp's stuff, might be worth it, depending on the system.

        Also, on very hot days here, there are some people who go to some store, buy cold bottled water for $4 for a pack of 8, go to the nearest big intersection, sell it for $1 a bottle. Cars stop, people buy... till the police chases the budding entrepreneurs away.

        All the people in the cars that stop and buy can see the store half way down the block. They still buy from the guy in the middle of the road.



        Originally Posted by mcfcok View Post

        Resell the service to businesses who need an app yes and earn as much as possible. He's selling a model to ppl looking to offer apps to businesses. Would you be happy paying him $10k then you find out he just uses biz apps which you could have done directly yourself for a few dollars? Surely you wouldn't mug yourself off like that?

        I came accross his site as i'm looking to start selling apps and lucky for me noticed this guy is just using a platform i can use myself saving me $10k.
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        • Profile picture of the author mcfcok
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          You're assuming he's only selling what you can get directly from bizzapp.

          McDonald's sells it's franchises for a lot more than it costs to buy the equipment, buns, beef, cheese, etc.

          If he's selling them a proven system of making money selling bizzappp's stuff, might be worth it, depending on the system.

          Also, on very hot days here, there are some people who go to some store, buy cold bottled water for $4 for a pack of 8, go to the nearest big intersection, sell it for $1 a bottle. Cars stop, people buy... till the police chases the budding entrepreneurs away.

          All the people in the cars that stop and buy can see the store half way down the block. They still buy from the guy in the middle of the road.
          I'm not assuming I have read the business plan.... he's offering nothing you can't do yourself. The idea of biznessapps is to white label their service to offer apps to businesses under your own brand not package it up as a franchise. Anyway fook it I have my morals and I would never rip anyone off.
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            Well, then it would be interesting to see what happens when some of his clients find out.

            Some of them will find out.

            There were some things like that here, in the US, and the FBI and/or (I don't remember) the FTC got involved. (One of the things I'm referring to is an app that gets your screen to look like a phone, i.e., brings up the number pad. Was selling for $0.99.)

            Although, if this person's got his lawyerese right, he could only have to deal with being investigated.


            If what I offer you has value to you, I describe accurately what I offer... I don't mislead, and you choose to buy (because you didn't want to do your own research, because you wanted some connection to someone who does the same thing, because you were a moron, etc.,) of your own free will, why should I not sell it to you?

            The cheapest placed to buy cereal around here is Walmart. It sells a cereal brand called Fiber One for a bit under $. There are several other stores around here that sell it at $4.37 to as high as $5.57.

            I often buy it for $4.97...

            If I ever find out the label was Fiber One but the content was not, then I'm going to be pissed off big time. In the meantime, I know, I can get it for a lot less at Walmart... I don't buy it from Walmart all the time for 3 reasons:

            Walmart is crowded.
            Walmart looks ugly (the store, depresses me).
            Walmart customers are uglier... Swear to God.

            PS The most expensive store has the prettiest people... but not pretty enough to warrant $5.57. I'm sticking with the $4.97 version.

            If what I offer you has value to you, I describe accurately what I offer... I don't mislead, and you choose to buy (because you didn't want to do your own research, because you wanted some connection to someone who does the same thing, because you were a moron, etc.,) of your own free will, why should I not sell it to you?

            Originally Posted by mcfcok View Post

            I'm not assuming I have read the business plan.... he's offering nothing you can't do yourself. The idea of biznessapps is to white label their service to offer apps to businesses under your own brand not package it up as a franchise. Anyway fook it I have my morals and I would never rip anyone off.
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          • Profile picture of the author Riz
            I can understand where you are coming from.

            From your perspective you believe:

            1) It is is ethical and fine to use the BiznessApps white label service to offer Apps to local businesses at a premium. So you pay $300 per month to BiznessApps to secure the white label service and then charge a premium to your clients for creating the App and hosting it.

            2) It is not ethical to use the reseller white label service of BiznessApps to sell as a Franchise.

            My perspective

            1) Going by your theory and understanding, if you want to be completely ethical then you should tell all your clients that you are using a white label service and if they want they can go directly to BiznessApps themselves and pay a hosting fee of $30 per month and create their own App. Alternatively you can create the App for them at a premium.

            Is that what you do?

            2) BiznessApps offers a re seller service and if I remember correctly it costs $1,000 per month ( I may be wrong ). This gives the re seller the opportunity to offer the service on a white label basis to others who wish to start in the business of selling BiznessApps.

            So it is allowed and encouraged by BiznessApps because at the end of the day they want more re sellers no matter how they come.

            The Franchisor could have many aims with his new business:
            • Build a community of Franchisees to help each other
            • Build a brand name that is beneficial to Franchisees and the Franchisor which is difficult for a one man band to achieve
            • Provide systems, seminars and training material to boost the sales of the Franchisees
            • Have a marketing budget to generate brand awareness and part of the intial fee could be used to build the brand name

            There are so many variations to this that it is almost impossible to say whether this is ethical or not. The above and the questions below are among many potential reasons

            Would the Franchisee ever have known about offering Apps as a business model without having come across this Franchisor?

            Would they succeed on their own without the help, advice and encouragement of the Franchisor?

            Personally, depending on what the Franchisor is offering I do not think it is unethical, but again this is without knowing the Franchisors intentions.

            If you are feeling it is unethical then perhaps you should also consider that number 1 above, with your understanding may also be considered unethical.

            Just my 2 cents

            Riz
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            • Profile picture of the author Riz
              Perhaps you can link to the Franchiser offer here?
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            • Profile picture of the author mcfcok
              Originally Posted by Riz View Post

              I can understand where you are coming from.

              From your perspective you believe:

              1) It is is ethical and fine to use the BiznessApps white label service to offer Apps to local businesses at a premium. So you pay $300 per month to BiznessApps to secure the white label service and then pay charge a premium to your clients for creating the App and hosting it.

              2) It is not ethical to use the reseller white label service of BiznessApps to sell as a Franchise.

              My perspective

              1) Going by your theory and understanding, if you want to be completely ethical then you should tell all your clients that you are using a white label service and if they want they can go directly to BiznessApps themselves and pay a hosting fee of $30 per month and create their own App. Alternatively you can create the App for them at a premium.

              Is that what you do?

              2) BiznessApps offers a re seller service and if I remember correctly it costs $1,000 per month ( I may be wrong ). This gives the re seller the opportunity to offer the service on a white label basis to others who wish to start in the business of selling BiznessApps.

              So it is allowed and encouraged by BiznessApps because at the end of the day they want more re sellers no matter how they come.

              The Franchisor could have many aims with his new business:
              • Build a community of Franchisees to help each other
              • Build a brand name that is beneficial to Franchisees and the Franchisor which is difficult for a one man band to achieve
              • Provide systems, seminars and training material to boost the sales of the Franchisees
              • Have a marketing budget to generate brand awareness and part of the intial fee could be used to build the brand name

              There are so many variations to this that it is almost impossible to say whether this is ethical or not. The above and the questions below are among many potential reasons

              Would the Franchisee ever have known about offering Apps as a business model without having come across this Franchisor?

              Would they succeed on their own without the help, advice and encouragement of the Franchisor?

              Personally, depending on what the Franchisor is offering I do not think it is unethical, but again this is without knowing the Franchisors intentions.

              If you are feeling it is unethical then perhaps you should also consider that number 1 above, with your understanding may also be considered unethical.

              Just my 2 cents

              Riz
              Hey Riz

              I never knew there was another level of reseller so if bizapps approves then no probs with that.

              I don't sell apps so your first point doesn't affect me, although it could in the future.
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            • Profile picture of the author TonyD
              Riz this is correct and BiznessApps encourage the practice of reselling your $1k month white label platform to web design firms who in turn offer it to their clients. It's a great way to make money in the app business as you don't have to deal with any local businesses, just the web design companies who are often servicing hundreds of clients... You just charge similar to what BiznessApps charges you mark it up and take a monthly fee for every app that your webdesign clients build for their clients.

              Its easier to service 10 web design clients with a thousand customers between them than it is to service 1000 local business owners...

              Originally Posted by Riz View Post


              2) BiznessApps offers a re seller service and if I remember correctly it costs $1,000 per month ( I may be wrong ). This gives the re seller the opportunity to offer the service on a white label basis to others who wish to start in the business of selling BiznessApps.

              So it is allowed and encouraged by BiznessApps because at the end of the day they want more re sellers no matter how they come.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Ethical or not?

    If you have to ask it's probably not ethical for YOU
    which is probably all you need to know.

    Doing what you know is right is enough.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author bluecoyotemedia
    Originally Posted by mcfcok View Post

    I have come accross a couple of UK businesses that appear to be white label resellers of biznessapps offering a franchise for $10,000. Doesn't sit right with me what do you guys think?

    Dave

    Dave

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    • Profile picture of the author mcfcok
      Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia View Post

      Dave

      are you just bored???
      Not when your wife is with me
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