How are you guys competing?

Robert Domino · 31st Jan 2013, 02:20 PM

Hey all,
I've been considering adding mobile websites as a stand alone product to sell (instead of add-on from other services).

While researching some good niches, I saw that a lot of websites are already mobile optimized through DudaMobi.

So here I go to their website only to find out these idiots are charging $9 a month, a business model where you need hundreds/thousands of customers to make decent profit.

How are you guys competing with that type of service? Obviously there's a lot of fish out there so we can sell at more favorable prices, especially with text message marketing etc, but are basic mobile websites dead?

Any insight?

Jarrod · 31st Jan 2013, 04:22 PM

I don't see duda as a competitor, but as a partner. I just finished building a mobile site for a client using duda.

4webmaster · 31st Jan 2013, 05:20 PM

I've already saw this similar post here.
With all said, I'm actually going to launch a new business that will be offering just mobile sites rather than like you said as an extra service.

To be honest see my other post (website dead...) and other posts from members (making money with mobile?.) Duda and other mobile builders like bmobilized is like Coca Cola or Mc Donalds brands. Their marketing power will crush us little mobile web designer. These are their power:
1. Free
2. Low Price
3. Instant mobile convertion
4. online builder with ease management
5. Marketing and advertising to mass market
6. partnered with big names (gomo from Google, Open Table...)
7. choice of mobile layout designs
8. instant mobile customization
9. brand trust
10. you guess

So as people said they are active Duda resellers and might work because of what I've wrote above.

Since my last post "website dead..." I did not sleep well at night for several days until I found a solution and now I'm not afraid anymore. Just like all businesses you have to compete with big trusted brands, it's not because there is a Mc Donalds near my Fast food restaurant that I'm closing doors. You need to be more clever than that and find your niche and do better(provide better services, better food..) than them. So how? here is a example:

MCdo is cheap (well not really for that quality of food), target the low to medium income population, and burgers taste bad (IMO)

How can I compete? Open a burger restaurant that provides high quality meat, BBQ grill burger with a surfer theme if my location was in a surfer area like Malibu, Hawaii... Invite top ten surfers to try, call the local news.. and you'll see.

This is what you can apply to the mobile industry, of course you will never beat Duda nor your Surfers burger beat Mc Do but you get a part of the pie.

P.S.: For offline marketers mobile website design is not an issue finding business owners even if Duda is Big you can learn more by crawling warriorforum.

Jarrod · 31st Jan 2013, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by 4webmaster

Duda and other mobile builders like bmobilized is like Coca Cola or Mc Donalds brands. Their marketing power will crush us little mobile web designer.

Well, you could cash in with McDonald's by becoming a part of their franchise and owning a store or two of your own. You see where I'm going with this.

4webmaster · 31st Jan 2013, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jedi Jarrod

Well, you could cash in with McDonald's by becoming a part of their franchise and owning a store or two of your own. You see where I'm going with this.

Not a good idea here because I know one of my client that owns 3 Mc Do and even with the full of teenagers and people as customers he doesn't ride on gold. He told me that he have to pay franchise fees, employees, location space......

Who makes money? MCDO it self.

Jarrod · 31st Jan 2013, 07:35 PM

Seriously? That's what you got from my comment? :rolleyes:

AppsFromHome · 31st Jan 2013, 07:38 PM

Duda is a partner, I've been with them since the very beginning.

You think you need to sell hundreds of mobile sites to make a profit when you overheard is only $9 a month? That's where the issue is....

The upfront fee alone should earn you a few hundred in profit not to mention a monthly maintenance, analytics, and support package fee that's pure profit. Plus, that gives you a monthly meeting with the business owner to offer your expertise and other services.

It's not about competing with the big dogs, its about leveraging their platforms and resources to help grow your own business IMO.

AndrewCavanagh · 1st Feb 2013, 05:36 AM

Build relationships with the business owners you
talk to and find ways to use your service to help
the business owner make real sales and profits.

When you're making a business owner thousands
of extra dollars a month in profits they're talking
to you first about anything to do with mobile marketing,
websites, internet marketing and marketing in
general.

It's really about building deep relationships and
delivering huge value.

That's what makes YOU impossible to compete with
for anyone else.

Also remember you don't need that many clients to
make a good living when you're helping a business
intensively to make serious profits.

Forget about trying to charge $200 or $500 a project.

Think about how you can make a business an extra
$2,000 to $10,000+ every month and start charging
$2,500 to $10,000+ to set that up.

Life gets a whole lot easier when one project makes you
more than enough to live on for a month or more.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

DABK · 2nd Feb 2013, 03:44 AM

Dudamobile sells a tool. You could sell the same tool, for less (i.e., $8/month).

You could sell the same tool and tell them, you get to own it free and clear for $497 (or whatever price you choose) or, you could go with Duda. If your price is $497, you can point out to them that, should they only want to be in business for less than 4 years, Duda's a good option. If they want to be in business longer, you're the better option.

Or, you could just not compete with Duda. Sell them the tool and other tools that go with it, as a package. Or, sell them the tool, and teach them how to use it. Or, sell them the tool, and use it for them.

They can buy a Duda site or buy yours, and yours comes up with better calls to actions and you set them up with an SMS campaign (which you'll manage for them), all of that for $497 setup fee and $257/month. Or $5 setup fee and $277/month.

If you do the SMS right, they get a few extra sales, there's no reason on earth for them to cancel except you messing up.

Or, you could sell the mobile phones for $0, when they buy 6 months of SEO at $837/month.

Or....

Or....

WillR · 4th Feb 2013, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Robert Domino

Hey all,
I've been considering adding mobile websites as a stand alone product to sell (instead of add-on from other services).

While researching some good niches, I saw that a lot of websites are already mobile optimized through DudaMobi.

So here I go to their website only to find out these idiots are charging $9 a month, a business model where you need hundreds/thousands of customers to make decent profit.

How are you guys competing with that type of service? Obviously there's a lot of fish out there so we can sell at more favorable prices, especially with text message marketing etc, but are basic mobile websites dead?

Any insight?

Robert,

Just because a business has a mobile website made by Dudamobile doesn't mean they made it themselves. Just like a business with a standard website made using Wordpress doesn't mean they used Wordpress to make it themselves.

The majority of businesses would have had those sites created for them by a marketer just like yourself who charged them hundreds of dollars to do so.

4webmaster · 4th Feb 2013, 12:22 PM

I agree with Will, this is totally true. Go see business owners, they care about their clients, running business and do what they know most. They don't know how to create a mobile site, what is URL.... and other alien words from what for us is normal.
Guess what, I've been checking all these videos on youtube about the admin area of Duda and watch these guys building a mobile site, well, it could be easy for people like us but for all others, it is a learning curve. Do the business owners have time for this? do they know alien language? No! What they need is a turnkey mobile website. Duda is a tool like someone said. You can use Duda or any other tools of your choice. Look what happend to those free website builders, do you think local businesses have their websites there or they have their websites design by an agency? The only thing I know is that they do know how to Tweet and FB, other than that, nothing.

aduttonater · 8th Feb 2013, 03:33 PM

I am starting to understand more and more as I continue to read these mobile marketing posts. It's not about the tool that you are using, but how you are using it. You skill level is the ultimate factor behind the cost that you are charging. As far as business owners knowledge, it's true that they are alienated to Internet terms. Such terms like "traffic" can easily be confused by the average offline business owner.

4webmaster · 8th Feb 2013, 05:32 PM

Duda what? no kidding, I"m even doing similar, going to offer a franchise to my business as they offer reseller. So I will be offering in each and every country in the world.

31st Jan 2013, 02:20 PM	#1
Robert Domino HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Canada and USA Posts: 222 Thanks: 11 Thanked 52 Times in 43 Posts	How are you guys competing? Share on: Hey all, I've been considering adding mobile websites as a stand alone product to sell (instead of add-on from other services). While researching some good niches, I saw that a lot of websites are already mobile optimized through DudaMobi. So here I go to their website only to find out these idiots are charging $9 a month, a business model where you need hundreds/thousands of customers to make decent profit. How are you guys competing with that type of service? Obviously there's a lot of fish out there so we can sell at more favorable prices, especially with text message marketing etc, but are basic mobile websites dead? Any insight?

31st Jan 2013, 04:22 PM	#2
Jarrod HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 404 Thanks: 165 Thanked 270 Times in 120 Posts	Re: How are you guys competing? Share on: I don't see duda as a competitor, but as a partner. I just finished building a mobile site for a client using duda.

31st Jan 2013, 05:20 PM	#3
4webmaster Advanced Warrior Join Date: 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 735 Thanks: 33 Thanked 144 Times in 119 Posts	Re: How are you guys competing? Share on: I've already saw this similar post here. With all said, I'm actually going to launch a new business that will be offering just mobile sites rather than like you said as an extra service. To be honest see my other post (website dead...) and other posts from members (making money with mobile?.) Duda and other mobile builders like bmobilized is like Coca Cola or Mc Donalds brands. Their marketing power will crush us little mobile web designer. These are their power: 1. Free 2. Low Price 3. Instant mobile convertion 4. online builder with ease management 5. Marketing and advertising to mass market 6. partnered with big names (gomo from Google, Open Table...) 7. choice of mobile layout designs 8. instant mobile customization 9. brand trust 10. you guess So as people said they are active Duda resellers and might work because of what I've wrote above. Since my last post "website dead..." I did not sleep well at night for several days until I found a solution and now I'm not afraid anymore. Just like all businesses you have to compete with big trusted brands, it's not because there is a Mc Donalds near my Fast food restaurant that I'm closing doors. You need to be more clever than that and find your niche and do better(provide better services, better food..) than them. So how? here is a example: MCdo is cheap (well not really for that quality of food), target the low to medium income population, and burgers taste bad (IMO) How can I compete? Open a burger restaurant that provides high quality meat, BBQ grill burger with a surfer theme if my location was in a surfer area like Malibu, Hawaii... Invite top ten surfers to try, call the local news.. and you'll see. This is what you can apply to the mobile industry, of course you will never beat Duda nor your Surfers burger beat Mc Do but you get a part of the pie. P.S.: For offline marketers mobile website design is not an issue finding business owners even if Duda is Big you can learn more by crawling warriorforum.
	https://stevesuard.com

31st Jan 2013, 07:35 PM	#6
Jarrod HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 404 Thanks: 165 Thanked 270 Times in 120 Posts	Re: How are you guys competing? Share on: Seriously? That's what you got from my comment? :rolleyes:

31st Jan 2013, 07:38 PM	#7
AppsFromHome Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 528 Thanks: 269 Thanked 218 Times in 146 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Re: How are you guys competing? Share on: Duda is a partner, I've been with them since the very beginning. You think you need to sell hundreds of mobile sites to make a profit when you overheard is only $9 a month? That's where the issue is.... The upfront fee alone should earn you a few hundred in profit not to mention a monthly maintenance, analytics, and support package fee that's pure profit. Plus, that gives you a monthly meeting with the business owner to offer your expertise and other services. It's not about competing with the big dogs, its about leveraging their platforms and resources to help grow your own business IMO.

1st Feb 2013, 05:36 AM	#8
AndrewCavanagh VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Cairns, Australia. Posts: 2,444 Thanks: 15 Thanked 1,496 Times in 745 Posts	Re: How are you guys competing? Share on: Build relationships with the business owners you talk to and find ways to use your service to help the business owner make real sales and profits. When you're making a business owner thousands of extra dollars a month in profits they're talking to you first about anything to do with mobile marketing, websites, internet marketing and marketing in general. It's really about building deep relationships and delivering huge value. That's what makes YOU impossible to compete with for anyone else. Also remember you don't need that many clients to make a good living when you're helping a business intensively to make serious profits. Forget about trying to charge $200 or $500 a project. Think about how you can make a business an extra $2,000 to $10,000+ every month and start charging $2,500 to $10,000+ to set that up. Life gets a whole lot easier when one project makes you more than enough to live on for a month or more. Kindest regards, Andrew Cavanagh
	Old School Copy Like This Is BACK & Converting Like Crazy!

2nd Feb 2013, 03:44 AM	#9
DABK VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Posts: 7,353 Thanks: 2,952 Thanked 3,793 Times in 2,524 Posts	Re: How are you guys competing? Share on: Dudamobile sells a tool. You could sell the same tool, for less (i.e., $8/month). You could sell the same tool and tell them, you get to own it free and clear for $497 (or whatever price you choose) or, you could go with Duda. If your price is $497, you can point out to them that, should they only want to be in business for less than 4 years, Duda's a good option. If they want to be in business longer, you're the better option. Or, you could just not compete with Duda. Sell them the tool and other tools that go with it, as a package. Or, sell them the tool, and teach them how to use it. Or, sell them the tool, and use it for them. They can buy a Duda site or buy yours, and yours comes up with better calls to actions and you set them up with an SMS campaign (which you'll manage for them), all of that for $497 setup fee and $257/month. Or $5 setup fee and $277/month. If you do the SMS right, they get a few extra sales, there's no reason on earth for them to cancel except you messing up. Or, you could sell the mobile phones for $0, when they buy 6 months of SEO at $837/month. Or.... Or....

4th Feb 2013, 12:22 PM	#11
4webmaster Advanced Warrior Join Date: 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 735 Thanks: 33 Thanked 144 Times in 119 Posts	Re: How are you guys competing? Share on: I agree with Will, this is totally true. Go see business owners, they care about their clients, running business and do what they know most. They don't know how to create a mobile site, what is URL.... and other alien words from what for us is normal. Guess what, I've been checking all these videos on youtube about the admin area of Duda and watch these guys building a mobile site, well, it could be easy for people like us but for all others, it is a learning curve. Do the business owners have time for this? do they know alien language? No! What they need is a turnkey mobile website. Duda is a tool like someone said. You can use Duda or any other tools of your choice. Look what happend to those free website builders, do you think local businesses have their websites there or they have their websites design by an agency? The only thing I know is that they do know how to Tweet and FB, other than that, nothing.
	https://stevesuard.com

8th Feb 2013, 03:33 PM	#12
aduttonater Business ****** Join Date: 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 613 Thanks: 3 Thanked 53 Times in 45 Posts	Re: How are you guys competing? Share on: I am starting to understand more and more as I continue to read these mobile marketing posts. It's not about the tool that you are using, but how you are using it. You skill level is the ultimate factor behind the cost that you are charging. As far as business owners knowledge, it's true that they are alienated to Internet terms. Such terms like "traffic" can easily be confused by the average offline business owner.
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8th Feb 2013, 05:32 PM	#13
4webmaster Advanced Warrior Join Date: 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 735 Thanks: 33 Thanked 144 Times in 119 Posts	Re: How are you guys competing? Share on: Duda what? no kidding, I"m even doing similar, going to offer a franchise to my business as they offer reseller. So I will be offering in each and every country in the world.
	https://stevesuard.com