Has Your Time Online Been a Total Waste?

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Just had a conversation with my brother today, and he said outright,...your years online, have no value or worth!

I tried to explain, that l was making a few hundred now, and lots more in the future, but in one ear......!


I am sure that if Edison listened to someone like this, he would have ditched the Light bulb, and done something else?

In fact a lot of people thought that he was insane, but he kept on testing and failing, until he succeeded and changed the world!


For me the last 6.5 years has been trial and error with picking up skills and assets alone the way, and a lot of failure.

But l am starting to get there now!

Not sure whether my Brother is either scared l will become wealthy or fail completely, but with a, don't bother trying since it will probably fail attitude, he will probably never achieve wealth!

Actions can show opportunities, inaction, based on assumptions or mindset create stagnation or inaction!

What are your experiences with loved ones on your online endeavors, and how do you get around the ones that tell you, that your past experiences are valueless, and future goals impossible?

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    Is your brother successful in his own business?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bengood
    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    Just had a conversation with my brother today, and he said outright,...your years online, have no value or worth!

    I tried to explain, that l was making a few hundred now, and lots more in the future, but in one ear......!
    My question for your brother is has he done anything online of worth? I don't think his checking email, playing games, or watching videos would count. And he doesn't sound like a programmer.
    While you went to the Internet and pulled out "a few hundred"

    If nothing else, you can brag about how you made hundreds of posts on this forum that has people who have value online.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Bengood View Post

      My question for your brother is has he done anything online of worth? I don't think his checking email, playing games, or watching videos would count. And he doesn't sound like a programmer.
      While you went to the Internet and pulled out "a few hundred"

      If nothing else, you can brag about how you made hundreds of posts on this forum that has people who have value online.
      No, not really, tried once and gave up after it went no where.

      And he does do editing, and sub manages projectors for a Cinema!

      But really only goes online to do research for his business, and checking emails, etc; not really business related, in a own your own business kind of way!


      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Is your brother successful in his own business?
      NO!

      He has just watched me hitting my head online, etc for so long that words, don't really prove anything, eventhough what l have made so far does show l am heading in the right direction, or making progress!

      But as he was saying, a few hundred doesn't really mean anything, a few thousand per month would!

      I can't argue with that, but his logic is flawed!

      I suppose that what he is saying that unless what l have done, gives a monetary value, it is worthless.


      But skills and assets do have a value, so l suppose that fear that l will hit the online jackpot, might be closer to the truth!

      So far l have seen the rainbow, and possibly seen a glint of gold, but time will tell, how long it will take whether it is close or a long walk?

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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


        NO!
        Then he's not really qualifed to give you advice on the matter. However, this doesn't mean he's wrong, either.

        Dealing with negative friends and family is tough. I suggest confiding in him that every success expert says not to hang around negative people and that you really need his positive support to help you. Of course, this assumes you don't owe him money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
    There was a time when I was very addicted to MMORPG's and the constant leveling and countless hours of grinding has led me to think, "Am I still enjoying? Are my accomplishments worth it? So what if I'm level 100 and got all the rare items and finished all the quests?"

    Like I don't know the answer, I guess it is a person's right to say that their happiness is where the heart is. We make a living online, we don't want people to discourage us on what we do. This is where we find happiness and this is where we find accomplishment.

    I still play from time to time, but I still do get in touch with other activities. In life, there's no such thing as wasted time. There's a purpose for everything, though the purpose does not always pertain to you.
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    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    I am sure that if Edison listened to someone like this, he would have ditched the Light bulb, and done something else?
    Well, perhaps Edison didn't really invent the light bulb?

    Heinrich Göbel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It was invented 25 years earlier. Of course the Wikipedia articles claims the Goebel-Defense case was fraudulent, but why did Edison buy the patent after Goebel's death from his widow then?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
      Originally Posted by HN View Post

      Well, Edison didn't really invent the light bulb.

      Heinrich Göbel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      It was invented 25 years earlier. Of course the Wikipedia articles claims the Goebel-defense case was fraudulent, but why would have Edison bought the patent after Goebel's death from his widow then?
      What the OPs trying to say is a metaphor. It's like a scientist creating a breakthrough in science (or whatever what he's into) then what if said Edison decided to be lazy and decided to be a theater actor instead-- would things have been different?
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    • Profile picture of the author LynnM
      Originally Posted by HN View Post

      Well, perhaps Edison didn't really invent the light bulb?

      Heinrich Göbel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      It was invented 25 years earlier. Of course the Wikipedia articles claims the Goebel-Defense case was fraudulent, but why did Edison buy the patent after Goebel's death from his widow then?
      There's also a case for it being invented in Scotland even earlier:
      https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/t...n_Lindsay.html
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  • Profile picture of the author HN
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    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    What are your experiences with loved ones on your online endeavors, and how do you get around the ones that tell you, that your past experiences are valueless, and future goals impossible?
    You get around it by proving they were wrong. The problem is, it might take a long time.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Just had a conversation with my brother today, and he said outright,...your years online, have no value or worth!

      I tried to explain, that l was making a few hundred now, and lots more in the future, but in one ear......!


      I am sure that if Edison listened to someone like this, he would have ditched the Light bulb, and done something else?

      In fact a lot of people thought that he was insane, but he kept on testing and failing, until he succeeded and changed the world!


      For me the last 6.5 years has been trial and error with picking up skills and assets alone the way, and a lot of failure.

      But l am starting to get there now!

      Not sure whether my Brother is either scared l will become wealthy or fail completely, but with a, don't bother trying since it will probably fail attitude, he will probably never achieve wealth!

      Actions can show opportunities, inaction, based on assumptions or mindset create stagnation or inaction!

      What are your experiences with loved ones on your online endeavors, and how do you get around the ones that tell you, that your past experiences are valueless, and future goals impossible?


      I think one reason that so many people do fail at this is because they feel it's all or nothing. They look to be wealthy, or replace their income, etc. and set unrealistic expectations. It's nice to have those big dreams, but you don't "make it" by setting these types of goals, or planting a seed in your mind that says if I don't make XXX dollars then screw it.


      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      Everyone I know thinks I am lucky to find a way to make money from home.
      My wife was always supportive even when I spent more than I made. It helped because I didn't have to prove anything to her.

      Originally Posted by HN View Post

      You get around it by proving they were wrong. The problem is, it might take a long time.
      No, you don't get around it by proving someone wrong. You get around it by focusing on your "why", and then learn how to actually build your business - not how to make money so you can rub it in someones face. I've learned, that when you show a "nay-sayer" positive results, they'll find something else to beat it down, like "Oh, you just got lucky..." or something like that.

      When I stopped caring what others thought about what I was doing and focused my energy, that's when I "made it".
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    Do you have a certain clearly defined goal? And what do you consider a total waste?

    I wasted many years online selling on eBay making $1500 - $4000 a month. I consider that a waste of time, because it took all my spare time to run that business. It was an awful business model because you only make money while you are working. It wasn't actually exactly 100% online, since I had to go to post office to ship the goods.

    I could have read thousands of books and learn so many languages instead. I would have probably learned a few hundred by now. I am however catching up on lost time.
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    Some people spend their entire lives collecting stamps.

    Or fishing in an abandoned creek.

    Or... Gazing at the stars.

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    Are they wasting time?

    Does the theory of relativity have a place in this conversation?
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by HN View Post

      Do you have a certain clearly defined goal? And what do you consider a total waste?

      I wasted many years online selling on eBay making $1500 - $4000 a month. I consider that a waste of time, because it took all my spare time to run that business. It was an awful business model because you only make money while you are working. It wasn't actually exactly 100% online, since I had to go to post office to ship the goods.

      I could have read thousands of books and learn so many languages instead. I would have probably learned a few hundred by now. I am however catching up on lost time.
      Yes, exactly! He says that creating an online business, and slowly building up a client base is the only real way to success online.

      I can't argue with that model, except just like the Ebay example there is no leverage!

      You put in effort and make some money. It is the ones who figure out how to put in little effort for big returns that make it online.

      Real Estate Managers use this model of creating a team and doing it again, but since it involves a person resource it is ok!

      In the real world creating wealth through leverage isn't easy, online it is easier and possible.


      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Then he's not really qualifed to give you advice on the matter. However, this doesn't mean he's wrong, either.

      Dealing with negative friends and family is tough. I suggest confiding in him that every success expert says not to hang around negative people and that you really need his positive support to help you. Of course, this assumes you don't owe him money.
      Yes, l agree, but he of course thinks that he is, or as said before wants to think that he is!

      No, l really don't need his support but some understanding, that l know more about what l am doing than he does, wouldn't hurt.

      No, l don't owe him money, the sub-creature got most of it, but thankfully l am finding ways to get it back!


      Bottom line is he believes he is right, eventhough he doesn't even know what Fiverr is!

      And l believe l am right, because of monetary returns and estrapulating monthly profit margins based on that.


      Sounds like l should keep my mouth shut and one day when he comes over, chuck a wad of cash on the table.


      $10,000 speaks volumes!


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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        No, l really don't need his support but some understanding, that l know more about what l am doing than he does, wouldn't hurt.


        Bottom line is he believes he is right, eventhough he doesn't even know what Fiverr is!


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        You do know more about what you are doing than he does.
        SO, his opinion there does not really matter. One way or the other.

        What his real concern might be is about the whole of your life.
        All your time online instead of a significant other or hobbies or
        enjoying your spare time. Do you complain or talk about these
        other aspects of life with him? Did you tell him about the sub-human
        episode? (You don't need to answer here, of course.)

        If you are not happy with other such aspects of your life and
        you talk about them in a way that he thinks is bemoaning or complaining,
        then that is likely where he is really coming from - what he is really concerned
        about.

        Like it's never a good a idea for a woman to complain about her husbands'
        little things wrong to her Mom because it sets Mom against son-in-law,
        it might be time to be careful about what you say about the quality
        and events of your life overall.

        Obviously, you both care bout each other and because of that you need to be careful
        how you frame things so he does not over react. I you do talk about something, clarify
        that that something bothers you at a level of 1 out of 100, not a 90 out of a 100.
        Or don't bring it up at all if it is not really something that bothers you all that much.

        Negative people are difficult to handle. Learn to interpret their deeper meaning and
        concerns and do be tactful. "Thank you for your input. I will definitely consider it."

        I think that when it comes to naysayers, there are two types of people who are not
        crushed and stopped by it. Those who use the naysaying as fuel to prove them wrong.
        And those who shake it off and continue following their own beat.

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  • Profile picture of the author pauljones99
    let's face it most people on their death beds probably think "geez..what a waste of time and effort that was.."

    Be one of the 1% that think "wow..that was an amazing journey. Goodbye and goodnight"
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

      let's face it most people on their death beds probably think "geez..what a waste of time and effort that was.."

      Be one of the 1% that think "wow..that was an amazing journey. Goodbye and goodnight"
      LOL, yes, the deathbed regrets one; erect fear based brick walls all around you, work hard, and do nothing besides that!

      Then say, aren't you lucky when someone like me, actually gets somewhere!


      Amazing journey, l hope so, been pretty crap so far, l think that my remark would be,...
      Amazing journey, but bloody glad it is over!!!


      I am seeing first hand, what kind of mental crap or barriers individuals erect to protect their inability to take risks of take action. Similar to other mental barriers; the individual totally believes that they are right, eventhough their experience in that particular area is limited.

      I could base my reasons on initial proof or other evidence, but unless it is substantial or overwhelming, it won't get past their barrier.


      My brother gave up on his dream, a long time ago, and l had to give up a few as well, but making money online, never!

      Not sure what will happen when the money gets serious, l suppose the barriers will come down, and saying how lucky you are with a bit of jealously might occur!

      Hopefully l can just show him how to do it, and this mind crap can be dismissed?

      Time will tell!

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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        My time online has definitely not been a waste of time.

        In all honestly though, I can say coming here in OT forum has been a waste of time in the past.

        It is fun and a good release but just to be frank for every post (like this one lol) I could be doing something more productive.
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      Originally Posted by pauljones99 View Post

      let's face it most people on their death beds probably think "geez..what a waste of time and effort that was.."

      Be one of the 1% that think "wow..that was an amazing journey. Goodbye and goodnight"
      That's where it goes. If you have no regrets about what you are doing - there's not one thing wrong with it. Just make sure it's not keeping you from doing a lot of other things you would like to be doing, too. Follow anything and everything you can that's of interest to you. Some of it will cash in and some won't - but you still will have an interesting life to show for it at the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    Not sure whether my Brother is either scared l will become wealthy or fail completely, but with a, don't bother trying since it will probably fail attitude, he will probably never achieve wealth!


    What are your experiences with loved ones on your online endeavors, and how do you get around the ones that tell you, that your past experiences are valueless, and future goals impossible?

    Shane; Your brother isn't afraid you'll succeed. He sees you spending a lot of time online for over 6 years, with little result. He cares about you and doesn't want you to waste your time.

    I'm not even sure that he's wrong. Just because he isn't financially successful, doesn't make him wrong. It also doesn't make you wrong.

    When someone cares about you, and offers you advice, just thank them for it. But also listen to any reasons they give you. Do they make sense? Are they valid arguments?

    My loving grandfather once asked me if I was ever going to get a job. At the time, I was earning more in a month, than he was in a year. Not online, but by selling.

    I wasn't about to tell him how much I was making. He wouldn't have understood. And to him, unless you were an employee...you didn't have job security...which he valued.
    So I would just ask him for his advice (which made him happy), and go back to my life.

    Just think of your brother as a person who cares about you, and wants what's best for you. If he didn't care, he wouldn't bring it up.


    And like Discrat just said....being in the OT forum is playtime. You aren't making money here. This is a sandbox.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      during my time online I have made money from the things I was able to learn mostly for free online
      so no, for me, my time was not a complete waste - though I too have spent many hours distracted with one thing or another.

      I agree with Claude about your brother, Shane. He just wants what he thinks is best for you - so just listen and then do what you want to do and what you think is best for you, even if sometimes you mess up. Those mess ups are just life lessons.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        I give you a lot of credit for sticking it out this long. And I agree with Claude. Your brother just cares about you, that's all and he may not be wrong. Of course we'll never know until you ultimately decide to give up. Until you do, nobody knows what the future holds.

        I'm in a very different position than you are. I've seen first hand how successful one can be. So I'm confident it can happen for me again and it will. It may take time, but I'll be back. I just have to hit the right thing with the right approach.

        I wish you luck and success. But don't be mad at your brother. He means well.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarvyDery
    I believe in the skills, knowledge and facts you have acquired along your 6 years journey it's worth it. I remember when I started initailly, everyone was against as I kept becoming frustrated. for 2 years, I had made nothing but lost enough. I took my time to read some testimonials and motivational words on warriorforum, then analysis what I might be doing wrong.

    When i made the right move, I started cashing money from my payoneer mastercard. I feels good. Get one method, stick to it and be focus, you shall surely make your bro jealous.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Shane; Your brother isn't afraid you'll succeed. He sees you spending a lot of time online for over 6 years, with little result. He cares about you and doesn't want you to waste your time.

      I'm not even sure that he's wrong. Just because he isn't financially successful, doesn't make him wrong. It also doesn't make you wrong.

      When someone cares about you, and offers you advice, just thank them for it. But also listen to any reasons they give you. Do they make sense? Are they valid arguments?

      My loving grandfather once asked me if I was ever going to get a job. At the time, I was earning more in a month, than he was in a year. Not online, but by selling.

      I wasn't about to tell him how much I was making. He wouldn't have understood. And to him, unless you were an employee...you didn't have job security...which he valued.
      So I would just ask him for his advice (which made him happy), and go back to my life.

      Just think of your brother as a person who cares about you, and wants what's best for you. If he didn't care, he wouldn't bring it up.


      And like Discrat just said....being in the OT forum is playtime. You aren't making money here. This is a sandbox.
      Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

      during my time online I have made money from the things I was able to learn mostly for free online
      so no, for me, my time was not a complete waste - though I too have spent many hours distracted with one thing or another.

      I agree with Claude about your brother, Shane. He just wants what he thinks is best for you - so just listen and then do what you want to do and what you think is best for you, even if sometimes you mess up. Those mess ups are just life lessons.

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      I give you a lot of credit for sticking it out this long. And I agree with Claude. Your brother just cares about you, that's all and he may not be wrong. Of course we'll never know until you ultimately decide to give up. Until you do, nobody knows what the future holds.

      I'm in a very different position than you are. I've seen first hand how successful one can be. So I'm confident it can happen for me again and it will. It may take time, but I'll be back. I just have to hit the right thing with the right approach.

      I wish you luck and success. But don't be mad at your brother. He means well.

      Sorry all, but I don't think any of us have enough info to know Shane's brother's motivation for his comments.

      And even if his brother is correct, sometimes a person needs positive reinforcement. If Shane isn't dependant on his brother in any way, it's none of his brother's business what Shane does with his life.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Sorry all, but I don't think any of us have enough info to know Shane's brother's motivation for his comments.
        It doesn't matter what his brother's motivations are. Assuming that a family member has your best interests at heart, and then trying to get value from their advice (or tactfully ignoring it), is the most profitable response.

        That's just an opinion.

        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        how do you get around the ones that tell you, that your past experiences are valueless, and future goals impossible?

        Regardless of your brother's motivations, he can only judge by what he sees. He can't see your experience. He can only see the results right now.

        And he thinks your goals are impossible, based on his life experience, and his experience with you. Just prove him wrong. Get better at what makes money.

        You know he's turned around, the day he asks you how you did it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          It doesn't matter what his brother's motivations are. Assuming that a family member has your best interests at heart, and then trying to get value from their advice (or tactfully ignoring it), is the most profitable response.

          That's just an opinion.
          Sorry, that doesn't make sense at all. It does matter what the brother's motivation is. You say so in your post by having us assume the motivation is the brother having Shane's "best intentions" at heart.

          He may simply be putting down Shane's goals and not care about Shane's best interest in the slightest. What if his brother doesn't have his best interest at heart? What if he feels a need to build himself up by tearing others down?

          And even if he's right, so what? It's still none of his business what Shane does with his life.

          We can't assume that his brother has his best interests at heart, which is exactly the point I tried to make in my previous post. We don't know.

          Regardless of your brother's motivations, he can only judge by what he sees. He can't see your experience. He can only see the results right now.
          Or, his brother can NOT judge and either shut up with the unsolicated advice, or help by simply giving encouragement. These are also options.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Sorry, that doesn't make sense at all. It does matter what the brother's motivation is. You say so in your post by having us assume the motivation is the brother having Shane's "best intentions" at heart.

            He may simply be putting down Shane's goals and not care about Shane's best interest in the slightest. What if his brother doesn't have his best interest at heart? What if he feels a need to build himself up by tearing others down?

            And even if he's right, so what? It's still none of his business what Shane does with his life.

            We can't assume that his brother has his best interests at heart, which is exactly the point I tried to make in my previous post. We don't know.
            You're missing my point. Assuming that the brother has his best intentions at heart...and acting accordingly, gets you the best results that I'm aware of. You still get the best results, if the brother had evil intentions. It gets Shane the best results.

            Let's assume that his brother is evil, and is trying to tear Shane down. Not likely, but possible. Acting as though the brother had your best interests at heart, is still the best response.


            For example, repeatedly, I get responses to some of my posts (from a few members) that beg for a fight. My response, almost universally, is to act as though I'm taking their post as a real effort to communicate. The reason I do that, is to get the best response.

            Truth has nothing to do with it. Saying anymore about it will cause confusion...more than it has.


            And if it's not his brother's business what Shane does with his life, how could it be ours? And then why should we offer any advice at all?

            I was trying to help Shane in the best way I could.


            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Or, his brother can NOT judge and either shut up with the unsolicated advice, or help by simply giving encouragement. These are also options.
            Sure...but we aren't talking about Shane's brother. We are talking about how Shane should respond. That is what he asked. I gave an opinion, you gave one.
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    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    What are your experiences with loved ones on your online endeavors
    I think mine are very different from those of most people I see discussing this issue in WF threads.

    My family were basically very supportive indeed. They knew almost nothing about what I was trying to do and were unable to assess whether or not I'd ever make it work (and to be honest that description almost describes my own feelings about it, too, at the time!).

    My father, knowing that I did have another way of making money online (by doing my weekday afternoon forex day-trading) was probably less concerned for me than many parents would have been, in those circumstances, but at times during my first 4 months (in which I earned almost nothing) did gradually make some very tactful comments along the lines of "Well, I'm sure you know what you're doing" - perhaps at times meaning "Well, I hope you know what you're doing!" - and certainly sometimes reminded me of the forex-trading opportunities to which he admitted, afterwards, he felt I should really have been applying myself.

    The bottom line, in my case, was that I got very lucky with it and was actually making about $3,500 per month after 6/7 months. That perhaps wasn't quite "making a living", but by the time it had been repeated for 2-3 months, it looked plausible enough that after another a year or so I'd be earning a really good living from it, and at that point the "family questions and concerns" - which had never been intrusive or critical, I must say - evaporated altogether. (Rightly, as it turned out.)

    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    For me the last 6.5 years has been trial and error with picking up skills and assets alone the way, and a lot of failure.

    But l am starting to get there now!
    This specific concern about your brother's attitude will soon be behind you, anyway, then?

    You may, then, have different problems, though, if your brother's suddenly envious of your success?

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      My time online has definitely not been a waste of time.

      In all honestly though, I can say coming here in OT forum has been a waste of time in the past.

      It is fun and a good release but just to be frank for every post (like this one lol) I could be doing something more productive.
      Yes, posting on the WF, has been a waste of time, but fun! Certainly better than slaughtering fluffy bunny's all day!


      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Shane; Your brother isn't afraid you'll succeed. He sees you spending a lot of time online for over 6 years, with little result. He cares about you and doesn't want you to waste your time.

      I'm not even sure that he's wrong. Just because he isn't financially successful, doesn't make him wrong. It also doesn't make you wrong.

      When someone cares about you, and offers you advice, just thank them for it. But also listen to any reasons they give you. Do they make sense? Are they valid arguments?

      My loving grandfather once asked me if I was ever going to get a job. At the time, I was earning more in a month, than he was in a year. Not online, but by selling.

      I wasn't about to tell him how much I was making. He wouldn't have understood. And to him, unless you were an employee...you didn't have job security...which he valued.
      So I would just ask him for his advice (which made him happy), and go back to my life.

      Just think of your brother as a person who cares about you, and wants what's best for you. If he didn't care, he wouldn't bring it up.


      And like Discrat just said....being in the OT forum is playtime. You aren't making money here. This is a sandbox.
      Yes, true, l spent many years before, the internet, trying out one business idea after another; all failed mainly because of competition with cheap exports and distribution.

      That is one of the main reasons for going online, if Au is going through tough times, then l still have the US, etc to fall back on!


      Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

      during my time online I have made money from the things I was able to learn mostly for free online
      so no, for me, my time was not a complete waste - though I too have spent many hours distracted with one thing or another.

      I agree with Claude about your brother, Shane. He just wants what he thinks is best for you - so just listen and then do what you want to do and what you think is best for you, even if sometimes you mess up. Those mess ups are just life lessons.

      True!

      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      I give you a lot of credit for sticking it out this long. And I agree with Claude. Your brother just cares about you, that's all and he may not be wrong. Of course we'll never know until you ultimately decide to give up. Until you do, nobody knows what the future holds.

      I'm in a very different position than you are. I've seen first hand how successful one can be. So I'm confident it can happen for me again and it will. It may take time, but I'll be back. I just have to hit the right thing with the right approach.

      I wish you luck and success. But don't be mad at your brother. He means well.
      Thanks Steve, good to hear from you!

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      That's where it goes. If you have no regrets about what you are doing - there's not one thing wrong with it. Just make sure it's not keeping you from doing a lot of other things you would like to be doing, too. Follow anything and everything you can that's of interest to you. Some of it will cash in and some won't - but you still will have an interesting life to show for it at the end.
      Agree Sal, l could keep on with the Fiverr idea, for a few hundred a month or try something else l discovered this week, that might make that look like peanuts. Time will tell whether it is a goose egg or not? I believe that it is genuine!

      Originally Posted by MarvyDery View Post

      I believe in the skills, knowledge and facts you have acquired along your 6 years journey it's worth it. I remember when I started initailly, everyone was against as I kept becoming frustrated. for 2 years, I had made nothing but lost enough. I took my time to read some testimonials and motivational words on warriorforum, then analysis what I might be doing wrong.

      When i made the right move, I started cashing money from my payoneer mastercard. I feels good. Get one method, stick to it and be focus, you shall surely make your bro jealous.
      Yes, back in Dec 2007, l created my first website, and about 2.5 years or hard work and listening to their hype, l realized it is probably a dead horse, (but maybe one day)

      True, when l brother said, "the last 6 years has no value", l almost laughed!

      One year of learning Photoshop, certainly isn't a waste, and endless trial and error effort certainly isn't, (l won't repeat those mistakes again).

      IM, is a whittling down process, but since IM is massive it takes a lot of time and effort to get it all down to a few business ideas!

      Make him jealous, l would rather show him that his logic is flawed, or that he was wrong! Past results don't translate into future results!


      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Sorry all, but I don't think any of us have enough info to know Shane's brother's motivation for his comments.

      And even if his brother is correct, sometimes a person needs positive reinforcement. If Shane isn't dependant on his brother in any way, it's none of his brother's business what Shane does with his life.
      No positive reinforcement there, unfortunately! Just l know better, so take my advise!


      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      It doesn't matter what his brother's motivations are. Assuming that a family member has your best interests at heart, and then trying to get value from their advice (or tactfully ignoring it), is the most profitable response.

      That's just an opinion.




      Regardless of your brother's motivations, he can only judge by what he sees. He can't see your experience. He can only see the results right now.

      And he thinks your goals are impossible, based on his life experience, and his experience with you. Just prove him wrong. Get better at what makes money.

      You know he's turned around, the day he asks you how you did it.
      Yep, that is the most annoying thing, assuming that he knows about all this IM stuff, and is an expert on online wealth.

      He basically said, that the only way to make money online is to do jobs for people and build credibility over time.

      Basically create an online job, nothing wrong with that, but you won't create wealth!


      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Sorry, that doesn't make sense at all. It does matter what the brother's motivation is. You say so in your post by having us assume the motivation is the brother having Shane's "best intentions" at heart.

      He may simply be putting down Shane's goals and not care about Shane's best interest in the slightest. What if his brother doesn't have his best interest at heart? What if he feels a need to build himself up by tearing others down?

      And even if he's right, so what? It's still none of his business what Shane does with his life.

      We can't assume that his brother has his best interests at heart, which is exactly the point I tried to make in my previous post. We don't know.



      Or, his brother can NOT judge and either shut up with the unsolicated advice, or help by simply giving encouragement. These are also options.
      No, l believe that he was trying to help, but l have been online for almost 7 years, and he has been online for a few months, (maybe 6).

      So instead of believing he knows it all he should think, hang on maybe he knows more than l do, l should give him the benefit of the doubt?

      As l said, on his side, good intentions, or good advise, on my side, there is obviously some underlining fear there!

      I have given him some free products l did in the past, with professional sales video, graphics, etc. And he tends to knock it rather than use it!

      Seems that the more l show him, l am not a newbie, and can do some pretty slick things, the more scared he becomes, that l might actually do it!


      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I think mine are very different from those of most people I see discussing this issue in WF threads.

      My family were basically very supportive indeed. They knew almost nothing about what I was trying to do and were unable to assess whether or not I'd ever make it work (and to be honest that description almost describes my own feelings about it, too, at the time!).

      My father, knowing that I did have another way of making money online (by doing my weekday afternoon forex day-trading) was probably less concerned for me than many parents would have been, in those circumstances, but at times during my first 4 months (in which I earned almost nothing) did gradually make some very tactful comments along the lines of "Well, I'm sure you know what you're doing" - perhaps at times meaning "Well, I hope you know what you're doing!" - and certainly sometimes reminded me of the forex-trading opportunities to which he admitted, afterwards, he felt I should really have been applying myself.

      The bottom line, in my case, was that I got very lucky with it and was actually making about $3,500 per month after 6/7 months. That perhaps wasn't quite "making a living", but by the time it had been repeated for 2-3 months, it looked plausible enough that after another a year or so I'd be earning a really good living from it, and at that point the "family questions and concerns" - which had never been intrusive or critical, I must say - evaporated altogether. (Rightly, as it turned out.)



      This specific concern about your brother's attitude will soon be behind you, anyway, then?

      You may, then, have different problems, though, if your brother's suddenly envious of your success?

      .
      In Au $3500 is a full time wage!

      I am hoping to achieve or exceed that soon!


      Maybe l should say nothing and one day when he sees my BMW convertible, l can just say, oh, yeah, my online business is doing ok!

      And for the record, everyones remarks here about my brother are pretty accurate, although l believe that fear is there, hiding behind flawed logic!

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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


        No, l believe that he was trying to help, but l have been online for almost 7 years, and he has been online for a few months, (maybe 6).

        So instead of believing he knows it all he should think, hang on maybe he knows more than l do, l should give him the benefit of the doubt?

        As l said, on his side, good intentions, or good advise, on my side, there is obviously some underlining fear there!

        I have given him some free products l did in the past, with professional sales video, graphics, etc. And he tends to knock it rather than use it!

        Seems that the more l show him, l am not a newbie, and can do some pretty slick things, the more scared he becomes, that l might actually do it!
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        Shane; First, thanks for telling us more about the relationship.

        I don't know if I have any advice (other than what I already said), but just know that here are people making a god living online. The part of my business that is online could support me and my wife. In fact, it's figured into our retirement.

        A few people get really wealthy online...but there are plenty of us that make a decent living from online efforts. It's just a matter of figuring it out, and doing it.

        And it isn't a fast process. At least, it wasn't for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Has Your Time Online Been a Total Waste?
    Does it help you to know earning a living online is possible? If so, I've earned my living online since 1997.

    You talk of hitting it big. I've never done that. I've earned a decent living, but have not gotten rich at it. But then, "rich" is subjective. One man's rich is another man's poor.

    As for your brother, I will tell you the same thing I've told many people: Someone else's opinion only has as much power as you give it. Is what he said something that was only said once? Or does he constantly harangue you over it?
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    • Profile picture of the author dadaas
      Follow your path and dont be bothered by someone else.

      But you put a wrong metaphore. Edison received big money to make bulbs. At same time Mad Man Tesla was looking for money.

      So in other words, if Edison did not be so stubborn and quit, Tesla would maybe get money (i doubt they would give money to mad man) but if he did get money, we would now live in different world. I would maybe type from Mars. And i m sure we would not have bulbs, we would have Coils, wireless power, free power...
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Does it help you to know earning a living online is possible? If so, I've earned my living online since 1997.

        You talk of hitting it big. I've never done that. I've earned a decent living, but have not gotten rich at it. But then, "rich" is subjective. One man's rich is another man's poor.

        As for your brother, I will tell you the same thing I've told many people: Someone else's opinion only has as much power as you give it. Is what he said something that was only said once? Or does he constantly harangue you over it?
        Yes, it is good to hear from someone else that has made money from this.

        Constantly harangue, no not really, only when he asks how is your online business going.

        And l explain my progress and effectively get clobbered by him.


        My brother is what people classify as an island, or they know everything!

        So eventhough l have 6.5 years and he has 3 months, experience, since he is telling me what is possible online, what l am doing won't work!

        So, yeah, pretty ridiculous situation, best l press on and say little next time!

        Hitting it big, hmmm, l well making a wad in a short span of time, and hopefully making 3k a month is more likely!

        But l can funnel that into other things, that will make more, so well off, at least for the short term!

        Originally Posted by dadaas View Post

        Follow your path and dont be bothered by someone else.

        But you put a wrong metaphore. Edison received big money to make bulbs. At same time Mad Man Tesla was looking for money.

        So in other words, if Edison did not be so stubborn and quit, Tesla would maybe get money (i doubt they would give money to mad man) but if he did get money, we would now live in different world. I would maybe type from Mars. And i m sure we would not have bulbs, we would have Coils, wireless power, free power...
        I wouldn't say that Tesla was mad, just not very good at managing his own finances.

        He did get 3 million for his AC power distribution idea, (a lot in those days) but blew it all on other projects.

        And Edisom under pressure from a rich industrialist, fried some stray dogs and an elephant, to prove that it was dangerous, (the elephant one is online, don't want to post it on an unrelated thread).

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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    Siblings never listen to each other anyway.
    Mine don't.
    And I don't listen to them either.

    I've been online for 20+ years, and still hear really stupid crap from them at times.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      You do know more about what you are doing than he does.
      SO, his opinion there does not really matter. One way or the other.

      What his real concern might be is about the whole of your life.
      All your time online instead of a significant other or hobbies or
      enjoying your spare time. Do you complain or talk about these
      other aspects of life with him? Did you tell him about the sub-human
      episode? (You don't need to answer here, of course.)

      If you are not happy with other such aspects of your life and
      you talk about them in a way that he thinks is bemoaning or complaining,
      then that is likely where he is really coming from - what he is really concerned
      about.

      Like it's never a good a idea for a woman to complain about her husbands'
      little things wrong to her Mom because it sets Mom against son-in-law,
      it might be time to be careful about what you say about the quality
      and events of your life overall.

      Obviously, you both care bout each other and because of that you need to be careful
      how you frame things so he does not over react. I you do talk about something, clarify
      that that something bothers you at a level of 1 out of 100, not a 90 out of a 100.
      Or don't bring it up at all if it is not really something that bothers you all that much.

      Negative people are difficult to handle. Learn to interpret their deeper meaning and
      concerns and do be tactful. "Thank you for your input. I will definitely consider it."

      I think that when it comes to naysayers, there are two types of people who are not
      crushed and stopped by it. Those who use the naysaying as fuel to prove them wrong.
      And those who shake it off and continue following their own beat.

      Dan

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      No, l would never mention the low life creature, that would set their opinions in cement!

      As Claude has said, not a good idea!


      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      Siblings never listen to each other anyway.
      Mine don't.
      And I don't listen to them either.

      I've been online for 20+ years, and still hear really stupid crap from them at times.
      No doubt they bring up the aren't you lucky one. And you reply, the harder l work, the more l want to strangle you!

      In all honesty their crap, is really just a way for then to live with themselves or handle the fact that wealth is probably just a pipe dream!

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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - WOW - What a Ride! ~Unknown or Hunter S Thompson or Mark Frost
      It's Hunter.

      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      Constantly harangue, no not really, only when he asks how is your online business going.

      And l explain my progress and effectively get clobbered by him.
      Then think about your responses to his inquiries. If the same type of response always sets him off, try a different type of response. For example, instead of explaining your progress, you might try saying you accomplished your goals for today or that your plan is on track. Or you might say you want to keep your business life separate from your family life.

      The point is, if the same question from him always triggers the same response from you, and that in turn triggers the same response from him, try a different type of response to the inquiry. Break the pattern.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        It's Hunter.



        Then think about your responses to his inquiries. If the same type of response always sets him off, try a different type of response. For example, instead of explaining your progress, you might try saying you accomplished your goals for today or that your plan is on track. Or you might say you want to keep your business life separate from your family life.

        The point is, if the same question from him always triggers the same response from you, and that in turn triggers the same response from him, try a different type of response to the inquiry. Break the pattern.
        Yes, maybe throwing a rabid, fluffy bunny at him might do the trick?



        But good advise! I won't discuss specifics anymore, just creates issues. And proof doesn't seem to help, eventhough it should!

        Best to say it is going well, and mention that l am going on this holiday or buying this, he might get it eventually?
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
    Employees are from Venus,
    entrepreneurs are from Mars.

    It's the SUBTLE difference between "earning money," and "MAKING money."

    The two "camps" are usually INCAPABLE of listening to each other,
    or understanding each other. If your brother is an employee "type," and you are an entrepreneur "type," then there's almost NO HOPE of reaching common ground.

    Never the twain shall meet.

    Doesn't make one school of thought BETTER than the other
    -- just different + from two different WORLDS!

    The employee's mindset dictates that having an income, and having a "regular"
    JOB, are one and the SAME THING! Income simply comes from a job
    -- by DEFINITION!


    Your brother might not only think your entrepreneur mindset will "never" work
    (ie: bring you success), but he might further feel that, if it DOES work,
    it *shouldn't* have worked!

    There's a chance it doesn't fit in with his inner, innate "laws of physics."

    And nothing you can say or do will convince him otherwise.

    -- TW
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      Originally Posted by TimothyW View Post

      Employees are from Venus,
      entrepreneurs are from Mars.

      It's the SUBTLE difference between "earning money," and "MAKING money."

      The two "camps" are usually INCAPABLE of listening to each other,
      or understanding each other. If your brother is an employee "type," and you are an entrepreneur "type," then there's almost NO HOPE of reaching common ground.

      Never the twain shall meet.

      Doesn't make one school of thought BETTER than the other
      -- just different + from two different WORLDS!

      The employee's mindset dictates that having an income, and having a "regular"
      JOB, are one and the SAME THING! Income simply comes from a job
      -- by DEFINITION!


      Your brother might not only think your entrepreneur mindset will "never" work
      (ie: bring you success), but he might further feel that, if it DOES work,
      it *shouldn't* have worked!

      There's a chance it doesn't fit in with his inner, innate "laws of physics."

      And nothing you can say or do will convince him otherwise.

      -- TW
      How true this is. I was an employee for over 20 years before I even TRIED to be an entrepreneur. I struggled with a lot of what you are saying here. The internal battle between what was "safe" and what was a "risk" was debilitating for quite some time.

      Now I own 2 businesses and will never again be an employee. But boy it was hard getting here
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by TimothyW View Post

        Employees are from Venus,
        entrepreneurs are from Mars.

        It's the SUBTLE difference between "earning money," and "MAKING money."

        The two "camps" are usually INCAPABLE of listening to each other,
        or understanding each other. If your brother is an employee "type," and you are an entrepreneur "type," then there's almost NO HOPE of reaching common ground.

        Never the twain shall meet.

        Doesn't make one school of thought BETTER than the other
        -- just different + from two different WORLDS!

        The employee's mindset dictates that having an income, and having a "regular" JOB, are one and the SAME THING! Income simply comes from a job
        -- by DEFINITION!


        Your brother might not only think your entrepreneur mindset will "never" work (ie: bring you success), but he might further feel that, if it DOES work, it *shouldn't* have worked!

        There's a chance it doesn't fit in with his inner, innate "laws of physics."

        And nothing you can say or do will convince him otherwise.

        -- TW
        Yes, that is probably true, unfortunately true in other areas, show someone conflicting evidence, and no matter how many times you show them they dismiss it!

        This kind of stupidity, must be one of the most prominent reasons why human civilization is held back!

        This also gets back to "Rich Dad, Poor Dad"!

        Or as you were saying, l would consider a job if it didn't have a ceiling on income, or at least didn't take all day to do.

        I have read about individuals who have tried to make it online while keeping a job, in most cases because IM is very labour intensive, and they work all night, and take too many sickies, they end up losing it!

        But that is ok, it just spurs them on to get there quicker!

        My brother does acknowledge individual success, but puts it down to luck or a fluke, not determination!

        Or he refuses to see that wealth is a process not luck, although l did have some luck this week finding what l found, but l looked for more info, and found it; so it was luck based on effort or determination, not sitting around hoping it would bop me on the head!

        But as you are unfortunately saying, the more wealth l accumulate the more he will see, that l was lucky!

        But, hopefully after enough years of wealth building, he might finally realise, that it isn't just luck!


        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        No, you don't get around it by proving someone wrong. You get around it by focusing on your "why", and then learn how to actually build your business - not how to make money so you can rub it in someones face. I've learned, that when you show a "nay-sayer" positive results, they'll find something else to beat it down, like "Oh, you just got lucky..." or something like that.

        When I stopped caring what others thought about what I was doing and focused my energy, that's when I "made it".
        That unfortunately rings true, l gave him a free copy of my freelancing report, (which had a pro, sales video, etc) and he just knocked it! He knocked it because l covered creating wealth, before l had done it myself, (l know) but l did include a 100% 30 day money back guarantee. One or two did ask for their money back but most were happy with the report!

        I explained all the wealth ideas had been done by others or based on sound principles, but no go, he just kept saying it was a scam!

        I would say, he was overreacting!


        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        How true this is. I was an employee for over 20 years before I even TRIED to be an entrepreneur. I struggled with a lot of what you are saying here. The internal battle between what was "safe" and what was a "risk" was debilitating for quite some time.

        Now I own 2 businesses and will never again be an employee. But boy it was hard getting here
        Ok, so what you are saying he is a hard nut to crack, but l might be able to over time.

        I think that living in a mansion, with a few cars, etc, he might think about it a bit more?

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

          Put blinders on. Love your family members (and everyone else on the planet) even if they're clueless about some things. Embrace the similarities and steer clear of the polarizing differences. Do your own thing.

          What seems like a couple of lifetimes ago I bought a real estate investing course from a late night infomercial guru. I actually went through the material several times and applied it. Part of that, and many other programs, explains that if you don't have starting capital you find it. You find it by locating an undervalued property and offering an investor a piece of the profit when you sell it. Finding that investor involves lots of things including approaching family and friends when you locate a profitable opportunity.

          NONE of my family members or friends would have anything to do with my deals. But I kept going and had my breakthrough anyway. I got my first investor and he funded lots of my deals. I kept him around even though I didn't need him after the first few because we'd become friends. I had a lot of love and respect for someone who had faith in me when no one else did.

          And then a funny thing happened. My family members started showing up asking if I could get them into some deals. Hehehe...

          I was willing BUT they didn't understand what I was doing and it felt weird to them
          . Surely, they said, if you're buying real estate under market you MUST be cheating people. It was WAY outside their comfort zone and their understanding of what a highly motivated seller is. I tried to explain but they didn't get it. That's just how it goes.

          I look at it this way. Try anything and everything your heart tells you to. What's the worst thing that can happen? You go broke? Ha! Many of the richest people on the planet have been bankrupt and just kept cruising until they made it. You only lose when you give up.
          Well, l tried to love a subcreature but it didn't work out!

          Yes, l can relate to that, if l said l go to Fiverr find a gig with a pro, and then resell it elsewhere, for a big markup, the ineviatable, you are scamming them to line your own pockets!

          True, maybe l should tell the Fiverr pro, that advertising your services, is more profitable?

          But of course if l did that, then the advertising opportunity is destroyed through overuse, and no one benefits, apart from the few that got in early. This has a Rich Dad, ring to it!


          It is a bit like finding $5 on the street and getting a milkshake with it instead of giving it to charity.

          Is that person greedy?


          No, giving to charity has to be balanced, giving everything you own to charity, so you are on the streets is silly!

          If someone can do something for me for $5 and l can make $50 out of reselling it, is it wrong?


          All things considered, no, but to me telling my brother that he could do it too, probably scam and con, would crop up!

          Most Millionare's use this technique to get ahead!


          Many of the richest people on the planet have been bankrupt and just kept cruising until they made it. You only lose when you give up.
          Yep, been through that a few weeks ago, probably explains why l am making so much progress now!

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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Put blinders on. Love your family members (and everyone else on the planet) even if they're clueless about some things. Embrace the similarities and steer clear of the polarizing differences. Do your own thing.

    What seems like a couple of lifetimes ago I bought a real estate investing course from a late night infomercial guru. I actually went through the material several times and applied it. Part of that, and many other programs, explains that if you don't have starting capital you find it. You find it by locating an undervalued property and offering an investor a piece of the profit when you sell it. Finding that investor involves lots of things including approaching family and friends when you locate a profitable opportunity.

    NONE of my family members or friends would have anything to do with my deals. But I kept going and had my breakthrough anyway. I got my first investor and he funded lots of my deals. I kept him around even though I didn't need him after the first few because we'd become friends. I had a lot of love and respect for someone who had faith in me when no one else did.

    And then a funny thing happened. My family members started showing up asking if I could get them into some deals. Hehehe...

    I was willing BUT they didn't understand what I was doing and it felt weird to them. Surely, they said, if you're buying real estate under market you MUST be cheating people. It was WAY outside their comfort zone and their understanding of what a highly motivated seller is. I tried to explain but they didn't get it. That's just how it goes.

    I look at it this way. Try anything and everything your heart tells you to. What's the worst thing that can happen? You go broke? Ha! Many of the richest people on the planet have been bankrupt and just kept cruising until they made it. You only lose when you give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyW
    What is *truly* "RISKY?"
    Here's the surprising answer
    (but good luck showing this to your brother in a way that will enlighten him)...

    First, you MUST (in your own mind) CLEARLY make a distinction between being "self-employed," and being (a true) entrepreneur.

    Most people confuse these two things. They are NOT the same. In fact, they are pretty much *mutually exclusive*!! In a nutshell, the self-employed person has managed to GIVE HIMSELF A JOB. His goal is to try to "fill up his dance card" (aka factor themselves IN) -- the entrepreneur is trying to EMPTY his dance card (aka factor himself OUT).

    Totally different!

    AFTER you're able to clearly see this difference, then you can see where the ACTUAL risk is, and isn't.

    The employee type, AND the self-employed type (both have *jobs*) ultimately see what the true entrepreneur is building towards as being RISKY. But, really (over time) the reverse is true!

    Here's why (and you COULD *TRY* to explain this to your brother, but good luck!)...

    If you "earn" your income by trading hours for dollars (aka have a job or are "self-employed"), what are the chances that your income will END???

    The REAL answer to that is, IT'S AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY.!!!

    THAT'S the "dirty little secret." THAT'S why all these employee types (and self-employeds) are constantly so FOCUSED on RETIREMENT FUNDS, etc. They instinctively know that eventually (read: SOON) their method of income will leave them *** S. O. L. *** !!!

    Meanwhile the TRUE entrepreneur has been setting up SYSTEMS that all factor the person *OUT* (not in!!) (Michael Gerber disciples) -- which, in the end, is a much ***LESS*** risky pursuit!!! At least the chance of failure is LESS than a CERTAINTY -- and, again, the chance of the income ENDING for the employed or self-employed *IS* A CERTAINTY!

    So, now you can see where the REAL risks are!

    Cheers.

    --- TW

    PS: Michael Gerber (champion of REAL entrepreneurs) has said,
    "anyone who is self-employed has a IDIOT for a boss!"
    -- and I think he has a point!
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  • Profile picture of the author OnTheRun
    Anything we learn online, even if it doesn't help us right now, is worth our time.
    I've been failing since 2007 But I can't say all these years have been a total waste. Sure, I'm not a millionaire blogger who works 2 hours a day and gets paid way too much money for it, but overall, if you like what you do, it's never a waste of time!
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by TimothyW View Post

      AFTER you're able to clearly see this difference, then you can see where the ACTUAL risk is, and isn't.

      The employee type, AND the self-employed type (both have *jobs*) ultimately see what the true entrepreneur is building towards as being RISKY. But, really (over time) the reverse is true!

      If you "earn" your income by trading hours for dollars (aka have a job or are "self-employed"), what are the chances that your income will END???

      The REAL answer to that is, IT'S AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY.!!!

      THAT'S the "dirty little secret." THAT'S why all these employee types (and self-employeds) are constantly so FOCUSED on RETIREMENT FUNDS, etc. They instinctively know that eventually (read: SOON) their method of income will leave them *** S. O. L. *** !!!

      Meanwhile the TRUE entrepreneur has been setting up SYSTEMS that all factor the person *OUT* (not in!!) (Michael Gerber disciples) -- which, in the end, is a much ***LESS*** risky pursuit!!! At least the chance of failure is LESS than a CERTAINTY -- and, again, the chance of the income ENDING for the employed or self-employed *IS* A CERTAINTY!
      Yes, good point, but trying to discuss this will pretty much lead to an argument, especially since my brother has given up on the entrepreneur route. This falls back to Rich Dad,..., where Robert Kos,... tried to help his father out, even when he got fired, but he just kept on with the finding a job, plan.

      And intimately since he was way overqualified, didn't get very far.

      Robert learned from his Rich Dad, (not really his real father) took big calculated risks, and ended up wealthy.

      I have to admit that l have always been in the entrepreneur camp! I don't see the point in working hard continually to make money.

      And as you are saying it is risky.

      If you work hard for money, and get sick then the income ends, (l know there is insurance, etc, if you can actually get it).

      But setting up systems that produce money with little or no effort on your part is far wiser. Get sick doesn't matter how long.

      And no ceiling on income!

      Working hard is fine, but working smarter has to fit in somewhere. But as you are saying, putting money into super seems to be their, only working smarter approach.

      And most blow wheir super in Au, and live, (or try to) on the pension. And most become a financial burden on their loved ones, (because of medical obligations) and try to enjoy their lives, (not easy if you only have $15 every two weeks to live it up on)!

      On top of having to effectively live in the shopping centres during summer or the middle of winter, because they cannot afford the utility costs on heating or cooling.

      Yep, working hard all your life, has risks!


      Originally Posted by OnTheRun View Post

      Anything we learn online, even if it doesn't help us right now, is worth our time.
      I've been failing since 2007 But I can't say all these years have been a total waste. Sure, I'm not a millionaire blogger who works 2 hours a day and gets paid way too much money for it, but overall, if you like what you do, it's never a waste of time!
      Hmmm, glad l am not the only 2007, veteran here! I set up my first website just before Christmas of that year, after giving up on Ceramics.

      And as said before, it is a whittling down process, with gaining skills and assets alone the way, that in a small or probably big way will benefit you down the track.

      No doubt you, (like me) are getting down to a handful of projects that fit in well with your skills and assets, and overcome a lot of the issues you had in the past.

      My brother doesn't get that, or more to the point doesn't want to get that!


      There is literally only two projects l can do now, Graphriver and Fiverr!

      Both overcome the biggest obstacle l have had to try to get over, which is finding high converting traffic, or more to the point traffic that l can make a net profit on!


      Both have issues and obstacles to overcome to really make some decent money from them, but better to put everything into viable projects than ones that will probably fail.

      98% of online stuff is destined to fail, and that is where the sifting process takes place, and a lot of failure. But failure is there to strengthen your character and intimately succeed!


      Maybe l should tell my brother this,...but l suspect that since he is totally convinced that a job is the only way to make money and everyone else who is wealthy got there through dumb luck, best that l clam up!

      Good luck, (sorry, you know what l mean) to you, you should be making some thing soon or more soon?

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