Has Your Time Online Been a Total Waste?

No, not really, tried once and gave up after it went no where.

And he does do editing, and sub manages projectors for a Cinema!

But really only goes online to do research for his business, and checking emails, etc; not really business related, in a own your own business kind of way!


NO!

He has just watched me hitting my head online, etc for so long that words, don't really prove anything, eventhough what l have made so far does show l am heading in the right direction, or making progress!

But as he was saying, a few hundred doesn't really mean anything, a few thousand per month would!

I can't argue with that, but his logic is flawed!

I suppose that what he is saying that unless what l have done, gives a monetary value, it is worthless.


But skills and assets do have a value, so l suppose that fear that l will hit the online jackpot, might be closer to the truth!

So far l have seen the rainbow, and possibly seen a glint of gold, but time will tell, how long it will take whether it is close or a long walk?

What the OPs trying to say is a metaphor. It's like a scientist creating a breakthrough in science (or whatever what he's into) then what if said Edison decided to be lazy and decided to be a theater actor instead-- would things have been different?

There's also a case for it being invented in Scotland even earlier:
https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/t...n_Lindsay.html

I think one reason that so many people do fail at this is because they feel it's all or nothing. They look to be wealthy, or replace their income, etc. and set unrealistic expectations. It's nice to have those big dreams, but you don't "make it" by setting these types of goals, or planting a seed in your mind that says if I don't make XXX dollars then screw it.


My wife was always supportive even when I spent more than I made. It helped because I didn't have to prove anything to her.

No, you don't get around it by proving someone wrong. You get around it by focusing on your "why", and then learn how to actually build your business - not how to make money so you can rub it in someones face. I've learned, that when you show a "nay-sayer" positive results, they'll find something else to beat it down, like "Oh, you just got lucky..." or something like that.

When I stopped caring what others thought about what I was doing and focused my energy, that's when I "made it".

Yes, exactly! He says that creating an online business, and slowly building up a client base is the only real way to success online.

I can't argue with that model, except just like the Ebay example there is no leverage!

You put in effort and make some money. It is the ones who figure out how to put in little effort for big returns that make it online.

Real Estate Managers use this model of creating a team and doing it again, but since it involves a person resource it is ok!

In the real world creating wealth through leverage isn't easy, online it is easier and possible.


Yes, l agree, but he of course thinks that he is, or as said before wants to think that he is!

No, l really don't need his support but some understanding, that l know more about what l am doing than he does, wouldn't hurt.

No, l don't owe him money, the sub-creature got most of it, but thankfully l am finding ways to get it back!


Bottom line is he believes he is right, eventhough he doesn't even know what Fiverr is!

And l believe l am right, because of monetary returns and estrapulating monthly profit margins based on that.


Sounds like l should keep my mouth shut and one day when he comes over, chuck a wad of cash on the table.


$10,000 speaks volumes!

LOL, yes, the deathbed regrets one; erect fear based brick walls all around you, work hard, and do nothing besides that!

Then say, aren't you lucky when someone like me, actually gets somewhere!


Amazing journey, l hope so, been pretty crap so far, l think that my remark would be,...
Amazing journey, but bloody glad it is over!!!


I am seeing first hand, what kind of mental crap or barriers individuals erect to protect their inability to take risks of take action. Similar to other mental barriers; the individual totally believes that they are right, eventhough their experience in that particular area is limited.

I could base my reasons on initial proof or other evidence, but unless it is substantial or overwhelming, it won't get past their barrier.


My brother gave up on his dream, a long time ago, and l had to give up a few as well, but making money online, never!

Not sure what will happen when the money gets serious, l suppose the barriers will come down, and saying how lucky you are with a bit of jealously might occur!

Hopefully l can just show him how to do it, and this mind crap can be dismissed?

Time will tell!

That's where it goes. If you have no regrets about what you are doing - there's not one thing wrong with it. Just make sure it's not keeping you from doing a lot of other things you would like to be doing, too. Follow anything and everything you can that's of interest to you. Some of it will cash in and some won't - but you still will have an interesting life to show for it at the end.

during my time online I have made money from the things I was able to learn mostly for free online
so no, for me, my time was not a complete waste - though I too have spent many hours distracted with one thing or another.

I agree with Claude about your brother, Shane. He just wants what he thinks is best for you - so just listen and then do what you want to do and what you think is best for you, even if sometimes you mess up. Those mess ups are just life lessons.

Sorry all, but I don't think any of us have enough info to know Shane's brother's motivation for his comments.

And even if his brother is correct, sometimes a person needs positive reinforcement. If Shane isn't dependant on his brother in any way, it's none of his brother's business what Shane does with his life.

Yes, posting on the WF, has been a waste of time, but fun! Certainly better than slaughtering fluffy bunny's all day!


Yes, true, l spent many years before, the internet, trying out one business idea after another; all failed mainly because of competition with cheap exports and distribution.

That is one of the main reasons for going online, if Au is going through tough times, then l still have the US, etc to fall back on!


True!

Thanks Steve, good to hear from you!

Agree Sal, l could keep on with the Fiverr idea, for a few hundred a month or try something else l discovered this week, that might make that look like peanuts. Time will tell whether it is a goose egg or not? I believe that it is genuine!

Yes, back in Dec 2007, l created my first website, and about 2.5 years or hard work and listening to their hype, l realized it is probably a dead horse, (but maybe one day)

True, when l brother said, "the last 6 years has no value", l almost laughed!

One year of learning Photoshop, certainly isn't a waste, and endless trial and error effort certainly isn't, (l won't repeat those mistakes again).

IM, is a whittling down process, but since IM is massive it takes a lot of time and effort to get it all down to a few business ideas!

Make him jealous, l would rather show him that his logic is flawed, or that he was wrong! Past results don't translate into future results!


No positive reinforcement there, unfortunately! Just l know better, so take my advise!


Yep, that is the most annoying thing, assuming that he knows about all this IM stuff, and is an expert on online wealth.

He basically said, that the only way to make money online is to do jobs for people and build credibility over time.

Basically create an online job, nothing wrong with that, but you won't create wealth!


No, l believe that he was trying to help, but l have been online for almost 7 years, and he has been online for a few months, (maybe 6).

So instead of believing he knows it all he should think, hang on maybe he knows more than l do, l should give him the benefit of the doubt?

As l said, on his side, good intentions, or good advise, on my side, there is obviously some underlining fear there!

I have given him some free products l did in the past, with professional sales video, graphics, etc. And he tends to knock it rather than use it!

Seems that the more l show him, l am not a newbie, and can do some pretty slick things, the more scared he becomes, that l might actually do it!


In Au $3500 is a full time wage!

I am hoping to achieve or exceed that soon!


Maybe l should say nothing and one day when he sees my BMW convertible, l can just say, oh, yeah, my online business is doing ok!

And for the record, everyones remarks here about my brother are pretty accurate, although l believe that fear is there, hiding behind flawed logic!

Follow your path and dont be bothered by someone else.

But you put a wrong metaphore. Edison received big money to make bulbs. At same time Mad Man Tesla was looking for money.

So in other words, if Edison did not be so stubborn and quit, Tesla would maybe get money (i doubt they would give money to mad man) but if he did get money, we would now live in different world. I would maybe type from Mars. And i m sure we would not have bulbs, we would have Coils, wireless power, free power...

No, l would never mention the low life creature, that would set their opinions in cement!

As Claude has said, not a good idea!


No doubt they bring up the aren't you lucky one. And you reply, the harder l work, the more l want to strangle you!

In all honesty their crap, is really just a way for then to live with themselves or handle the fact that wealth is probably just a pipe dream!

It's Hunter.

Then think about your responses to his inquiries. If the same type of response always sets him off, try a different type of response. For example, instead of explaining your progress, you might try saying you accomplished your goals for today or that your plan is on track. Or you might say you want to keep your business life separate from your family life.

The point is, if the same question from him always triggers the same response from you, and that in turn triggers the same response from him, try a different type of response to the inquiry. Break the pattern.

How true this is. I was an employee for over 20 years before I even TRIED to be an entrepreneur. I struggled with a lot of what you are saying here. The internal battle between what was "safe" and what was a "risk" was debilitating for quite some time.

Now I own 2 businesses and will never again be an employee. But boy it was hard getting here

Yes, good point, but trying to discuss this will pretty much lead to an argument, especially since my brother has given up on the entrepreneur route. This falls back to Rich Dad,..., where Robert Kos,... tried to help his father out, even when he got fired, but he just kept on with the finding a job, plan.

And intimately since he was way overqualified, didn't get very far.

Robert learned from his Rich Dad, (not really his real father) took big calculated risks, and ended up wealthy.

I have to admit that l have always been in the entrepreneur camp! I don't see the point in working hard continually to make money.

And as you are saying it is risky.

If you work hard for money, and get sick then the income ends, (l know there is insurance, etc, if you can actually get it).

But setting up systems that produce money with little or no effort on your part is far wiser. Get sick doesn't matter how long.

And no ceiling on income!

Working hard is fine, but working smarter has to fit in somewhere. But as you are saying, putting money into super seems to be their, only working smarter approach.

And most blow wheir super in Au, and live, (or try to) on the pension. And most become a financial burden on their loved ones, (because of medical obligations) and try to enjoy their lives, (not easy if you only have $15 every two weeks to live it up on)!

On top of having to effectively live in the shopping centres during summer or the middle of winter, because they cannot afford the utility costs on heating or cooling.

Yep, working hard all your life, has risks!


Hmmm, glad l am not the only 2007, veteran here! I set up my first website just before Christmas of that year, after giving up on Ceramics.

And as said before, it is a whittling down process, with gaining skills and assets alone the way, that in a small or probably big way will benefit you down the track.

No doubt you, (like me) are getting down to a handful of projects that fit in well with your skills and assets, and overcome a lot of the issues you had in the past.

My brother doesn't get that, or more to the point doesn't want to get that!


There is literally only two projects l can do now, Graphriver and Fiverr!

Both overcome the biggest obstacle l have had to try to get over, which is finding high converting traffic, or more to the point traffic that l can make a net profit on!


Both have issues and obstacles to overcome to really make some decent money from them, but better to put everything into viable projects than ones that will probably fail.

98% of online stuff is destined to fail, and that is where the sifting process takes place, and a lot of failure. But failure is there to strengthen your character and intimately succeed!


Maybe l should tell my brother this,...but l suspect that since he is totally convinced that a job is the only way to make money and everyone else who is wealthy got there through dumb luck, best that l clam up!

Good luck, (sorry, you know what l mean) to you, you should be making some thing soon or more soon?