WHAT PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE IS IT?

by laydi
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If one was thinking of creating an All In One Suite/Sweet site that has an account creator module and maybe a comment posting module and maybe a scraper or maybe a YouTube scraper with bells and so forth..
Is there any other way to create such a site with out hiring a developer 1st...
Is there a drag and drop no coding site out there that let's me build to my hearts desire.
Becoz I have an idea for site but I don't know how to bring it to life.
I spend all day thinking about it and even dreaming about it too... ( I must be Krazy )..

Please if anyone has any helpful answers, I would be very very very thankful.
  • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
    Why are you looking to avoid writing software? If you want something developed, someone needs to create the software, whether that someone is you or a person/people that you hire. As you suggest, some components may already exist so that you can borrow/use/buy those parts, but you'll still need to assemble those pieces.
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    • Profile picture of the author laydi
      Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

      Why are you looking to avoid writing software? If you want something developed, someone needs to create the software, whether that someone is you or a person/people that you hire. As you suggest, some components may already exist so that you can borrow/use/buy those parts, but you'll still need to assemble those pieces.
      what sites can I go to find the parts or use or buy?
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      • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
        Originally Posted by laydi View Post

        what sites can I go to find the parts or use or buy?
        You might want to start with GitHub and SourceForge, but there are many others.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    You are looking for the utopian mind reading robot! CAREFUL, some may turn on you!

    What you are talking about isn't novel, and others have done it. ALAS, it is FAR more involved than you indicate, and Even the USE of it is more complicated. But YOU are asking for a way to CREATE such things. Some GUIs DO exist, but there is NO way to create a UNIQUE object and properly tie them together without the effort, and the logic, to do so. Since people have the SAME problem throughout all of history, they have devised languages to express them. A computer can't "fill in the blanks", so it needs a more rigid syntax.

    So YEAH, GUIs exist! You can do things without coding. The JUNK ones follow a STRICT model, and you must stay there. You will find them near worthless. SOME companies get away with such things as a piece of afar larger toolset, and they cost money and time and are MORE complex. The BETTER ones have a LANGUAGE to handle such deals!

    Seriously, there IS a reason why programmers get paid so much.

    BTW I think SAP will do what you want! It tries to be THE end all/be all of everything. I believe it DOES have web capabilities now. It DOES have account creators(you didn't mention WHICH account, but it probably has it), comment modules, and probably scraper, etc... AW, what the heck, you have to have it installed, and it costs a fortune. AE here has web accounts, comments, and at least WAS going to have scraper capabilities. But I didn't like the way things were going. Maybe someone else picked up the ball.

    David is referring to the scripts you can get to assemble PIECES of your idea. Most programmers use that anyway. But on that ACCOUNT, how do you define it and tie it in? How do you attach comments? What do you do with what you scraped? THOSE are things you need at least SOME code for.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author laydi
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      You are looking for the utopian mind reading robot! CAREFUL, some may turn on you!

      What you are talking about isn't novel, and others have done it. ALAS, it is FAR more involved than you indicate, and Even the USE of it is more complicated. But YOU are asking for a way to CREATE such things. Some GUIs DO exist, but there is NO way to create a UNIQUE object and properly tie them together without the effort, and the logic, to do so. Since people have the SAME problem throughout all of history, they have devised languages to express them. A computer can't "fill in the blanks", so it needs a more rigid syntax.

      So YEAH, GUIs exist! You can do things without coding. The JUNK ones follow a STRICT model, and you must stay there. You will find them near worthless. SOME companies get away with such things as a piece of afar larger toolset, and they cost money and time and are MORE complex. The BETTER ones have a LANGUAGE to handle such deals!

      Seriously, there IS a reason why programmers get paid so much.

      BTW I think SAP will do what you want! It tries to be THE end all/be all of everything. I believe it DOES have web capabilities now. It DOES have account creators(you didn't mention WHICH account, but it probably has it), comment modules, and probably scraper, etc... AW, what the heck, you have to have it installed, and it costs a fortune. AE here has web accounts, comments, and at least WAS going to have scraper capabilities. But I didn't like the way things were going. Maybe someone else picked up the ball.

      David is referring to the scripts you can get to assemble PIECES of your idea. Most programmers use that anyway. But on that ACCOUNT, how do you define it and tie it in? How do you attach comments? What do you do with what you scraped? THOSE are things you need at least SOME code for.

      Steve
      Just PMed You . But for fellow Warrior readers i ask -

      OK I knew I'd have to hire a developer eventually after research and so forth..
      do u know of a great demo drawing or wireframe site thingy
      we're I can create it 1st ( I'm guessing that is wat I do 1st )..
      I have it in my mind like a all in one that will compete with the
      likes of licorne aio and rank optimizer and other similar types. but i have anuther
      type module thingy idea that no other site has ( well i havnt
      seen so far ) and i wud prolly make it a membership site.
      if that's possible. ( I'm sure it is )..

      and so once I have my full idea written and drawn.
      I then hire ... ( these are prolly dumb questions ).
      but I'm hoping
      u will shed light on my path I'm heading towards..

      i eagerly await ur response Mr Seasoned..

      Thank You..
      p.s. any sites that help of any kind to go towards my mission
      will be much appreciated .
      ( hoping I'm not being a pest )..
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    OK, NOW you are asking the right questions! WOW! You might do better than a lot of companies out there.

    1. Just writing up a document covering what features you want is a BIG help!

    2. If you want to be really precise on the logic, you can lay out a kind of flowchart. There are two basic types. The most detailed looks like the illustration HERE: Flowchart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Of course, just having boxes that say things like "enter affiliate account information" or "Pay affiliates through paypal" and having arrows is nice. About the BEST program to do this is VISIO, which is now sold by microsoft as one of the potential parts of microsoft office. One free variant is dia, which you can get HERE: Download Dia Diagram Editor from SourceForge.net \
    Dia isn't as nice as visio, but it gets the job done and it is free.

    3. If you want to be REALLY detailed, you can lay out a database schema. That depends on the database you want, and what you have, etc... Corporations often use Erwin for this, but ***I*** was shocked at the price! Access and MS SQL, as well as the MYSQL/PHPMYADMIN combo, are usable ways to get this done. That last one is often added for free to webserver accounts today. Here is a little tutorial I found on it: How to Create Database with PhpMyAdmin Tutorial Just do it, make a backup, and let the developer access the database.

    4. ANOTHER thing, that may be GREATLY appreciated, is laying out what you want the screens to look like. A good product that is GUI based that can help here is: Download KompoZer from SourceForge.net

    Just give the developer a copy of the html files.

    Too many say "I want a copy of X", and you may find that all they really wanted were some features. And documenting it helps to eliminate many problems. Realize that the database, screens, and even a feature or two may have to be tweaked to get things to fit a given structure, etc... The closer you come to what you want, in a fashion reasonable enough that the developer can come close, the happier you are likely to be, and the shorter and cheaper the project.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author laydi
      YeeeHaa..

      Thats Great Advice Mr Seasoned Steve..

      Excellent Really.
      Hope you dont mind if I keep you as a contact/friend.
      and keep u up to date.
      and politely pester if I have anutha question maybe?

      Thanks very much VERY!!.

      Well Im off to put idea to screen ( pen to paper ) ..
      This actually seems like. WHAT A MISSION I HAVE AHEAD OF MYSELF..

      But I have the drive and a job to fund my project when the time comes.
      and Dammn the Feeling is going to be great, especially when the internet world
      see what I have to offer the NEWBIES.
      THATS RIGHT WARRIORS my future site will mostly be built for NEWBIES like myself.

      Anyway . You will all hear from me soon..

      Laydi.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by laydi View Post

        YeeeHaa..

        Thats Great Advice Mr Seasoned Steve..

        Excellent Really.
        Hope you dont mind if I keep you as a contact/friend.
        and keep u up to date.
        and politely pester if I have anutha question maybe?

        Thanks very much VERY!!.

        Well Im off to put idea to screen ( pen to paper ) ..
        This actually seems like. WHAT A MISSION I HAVE AHEAD OF MYSELF..

        But I have the drive and a job to fund my project when the time comes.
        and Dammn the Feeling is going to be great, especially when the internet world
        see what I have to offer the NEWBIES.
        THATS RIGHT WARRIORS my future site will mostly be built for NEWBIES like myself.

        Anyway . You will all hear from me soon..

        Laydi.
        That's fine. If I may ask, what kind of skillset is needed on your next job, or what kind of position are you filling? My skillset and placement is eclectic, and I am curious. We may even end up being at the same place. As I said, I have already been at several places in NY.

        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author laydi
          No.. Mr Seasoned .

          What I meant about Job was that I am a milktanker driver.
          I love it. Meeting a lot of families and the odd owner or sharemilker
          who enjoys learning the internet and its amazing journeys and properties.
          ( great conversations ).. its not always cows and milk..

          Now as we know i am nowhere near ur expertise in making money online but I have
          had - on separate occasions - success with the affiliate side of things.

          and I recently found a clever yet sneaky way for targeted traffic to
          see an offer. I was laughing for ages and surprised and i got that butterflyish
          happy, like ive found something no ones ever seen before feeling ..
          the thing is I havnt tested it. I will get to it this week sum time but I'm definitely sure
          it will work.. I will keep you updated when I monetize the targeted traffic I found..
          it really is funny to me.. plus out of all the six years I've been learning online stuff
          I havnt seen what I've found so far..

          Anyway apart from that traffik I found just lying there. My overall mission
          stays the same, unique extras added to my software module membership site
          with excellent design and colour theme.
          I have an Art Degree too so that should help in a way..

          umm sorry kinda carried away there..
          will keep all informed ..

          Cheers..
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    • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      ...even after getting here... $100K huh?...
      Urm, Steve, is it possible that you're mixing up this thread (above) with this one:
      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...e-america.html
      ?

      (Sorry if I'm confused.)
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

        Urm, Steve, is it possible that you're mixing up this thread (above) with this one:
        http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...e-america.html
        ?

        (Sorry if I'm confused.)
        SORRY, YEAH! I slipped up!
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        • Profile picture of the author laydi
          could someone pleas comment down a list of software modules
          for me pleeeezz..
          Just so can I see more type modules out there.

          e.g like. email creation, web 2.0 creation, you tube scraper,
          comment poster and so forth pleez.

          as much as you would you like to jot down..
          no limit. pleez ..

          thanks warriors.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
            Laydi, this question is along the same lines as, "How long is a piece of string?"

            As advised above, you need to specify the overall framework of what it is that you are trying to do, and perhaps then, it might inspire people to say things like, "great, but it could really use this additional component". Right now, I realize you are very excited, but so far, this is something that's only in your head; the rest of us have no way of knowing what are your plans, so that we can make additional suggestions.

            To answer your question of "what's out there?" directly, I'd say, "everything".
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by laydi View Post

            could someone pleas comment down a list of software modules
            for me pleeeezz..
            Just so can I see more type modules out there.

            e.g like. email creation, web 2.0 creation, you tube scraper,
            comment poster and so forth pleez.

            as much as you would you like to jot down..
            no limit. pleez ..

            thanks warriors.
            Well, that would take a while, and what you gave is really not even accurate. For example, there I reallyno point in "creating" an email. At best, you would have an API to an "autoresponder", or an email routine. And "web 2.0" whatever THAT is(It was a marketing tem and is used in such a way it became meaningless) Here is what it says in google:

            Web 2.0 describes World Wide Web sites that use technology beyond the static pages of earlier Web sites. The term was coined in 1999 by Darcy DiNucci and was popularized by Tim O'Reilly at the O'Reilly Media Web 2.0 conference in late 2004.
            When were websites LEGITIMATELY static? I mean in the EARLY 90s, they didn't have to be, so there couldn't have been much time for them to be LEGITIMATELY static. I was going to make dynamic ones from almost the first day I got access, but providers charged too much for that feature. Even so, if I wanted to learn miva, I could have created pretty dynamic sites. It was sold in 1996: MIVA Script - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia To put this in perspective, the first really successful webserver, that no has over 60% of the market, started in 1995. It was based on a product first released after 1991. CGI was apparently created around 1993. STILL, I had VERY dynamic ones before I ever heard of web 2.0. In 1999 there was PLENTY of such software out. I never saw the term web 2.0 out there though.

            And comment poster? Maybe there are some write modules that can do that, but the logic is SO simple and SO general, that many would build it as a feature, rather than buy another product to tack on.

            Besides, you have probably used the internet a while, and said you had ideas of what to do. Just have at it. The idea of creating a large application by jury rigging a bunch of disparate cgi scripts together is cumbersome at best.

            Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author laydi
    true that guys.. sorry..
    I'll be back with a better detailed question when I know how to say it..
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