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Do You Believe In Reincarnation?

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What are your thoughts on the below video? Interesting stuff!

Is This Enough Evidence To Prove Reincarnation Exists?
  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    My thoughts on this are that this video contains such high amounts of BS that if I watched it, I would feel my IQ dropping one point every minute.
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  • Profile picture of the author abrahamkornel
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    i would agree with Lucian, only believe as a religious stuff, but otherwise noooo
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    Life after death?
    I'd settle for a life in this one.
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    Reincarnation is making a comeback.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    The idea of reincarnation is exhausting to be honest.

    Imagine perpetual life, and never getting a rest?
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

      The idea of reincarnation is exhausting to be honest.

      Imagine perpetual life, and never getting a rest?
      The concept of reincarnation sees the body die along with its memory as its way of "rest" (before returning) and if the interlude is the eternal (outside of linear time), you've attained all the rest that's imaginable, forever.

      The concept of immortality then is probably more exhausting...
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

        The idea of reincarnation is exhausting to be honest.

        Imagine perpetual life, and never getting a rest?
        No, you do get a rest upstairs typically for 100 years, then after countless family reunions, etc, have another shot!

        The best way to explain it, is go watch Groundhog Day, you keep coming back to evolve to a certain point, that coming back is unnecessary!

        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        I'm pretty open minded. Reincarnation might be true. Makes as much sense to me as one shot hit or miss, burn for eternity if you don't get it right.......

        But it doesn't make sense that it seems to be just one planet out of universes of them. Why, with billions on billions of planets that can support life, would we insist on continuing to come back here repeatedly. Maybe one or two here or there for some unfinished reason.......but to continue to come back to earth over and over again? It really just doesn't make sense to me. That doesn't mean it can't happen. It just means that I don't really think it's right somehow.....at least as it is purported to us.
        No, Sal you can come back on other worlds as other life forms, but the Earth is the toughest, and so, fastest one, to evolve in!


        So for example one of these, %^&* 20 year olds, that go kill someone because they are bored, or watched "Rope" too many times, will have to come back at least 5 times or more in order to realise what jerks they are this time around.

        One of those lives will most likely be them as a woman getting killed, so they can experience first hand what they did.

        But like anything in life, learning produces better results or a better human being in the end!

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    I'm pretty open minded. Reincarnation might be true. Makes as much sense to me as one shot hit or miss, burn for eternity if you don't get it right.......

    But it doesn't make sense that it seems to be just one planet out of universes of them. Why, with billions on billions of planets that can support life, would we insist on continuing to come back here repeatedly. Maybe one or two here or there for some unfinished reason.......but to continue to come back to earth over and over again? It really just doesn't make sense to me. That doesn't mean it can't happen. It just means that I don't really think it's right somehow.....at least as it is purported to us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Here's what I think of reincarnation:
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      When a friend in Atlanta announced he believe in reincarnation - we waited for the punchline (knowing him).

      He said "I'm coming back as a yellow sports car".

      He wife chimed in - "and I'm coming back as leadfoot Louie...driving a yellow sports car"...

      I used to want to come back as a pet that belonged to me....but that didn't seem feasible.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        In a strange kind of way I do believe in reincarnation.
        I figure what gives us life is energy. Because energy can be converted in form but not created or destroyed at some point the energy that was your life is transfered into a new life.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          In a strange kind of way I do believe in reincarnation.
          I figure what gives us life is energy. Because energy can be converted in form but not created or destroyed at some point the energy that was your life is transfered into a new life.
          Oh I'm there with that idea, but I don't think we come back "here". I think we incarnate in higher dimensions. I also believe that some things here in the 3rd are bleed in from other dimensions - things like electricity and a few other forms of really inscrutable energy and substance....like the boson and dark energy.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            That's what I like about theories like reincarnation - you can't prove them right or wrong.
            That's why I wrote what I wrote in post #17.


            Originally Posted by HN View Post

            The fact that people have access to someone else's memories doesn't prove that there is live after death or that the souls change bodies.
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    Have you ever wondered... "What the heck really happens after this?".

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    There are far better cases in India in both time and space, where reincarnation is taken for granted. You have children whose "previous life" was very recent and near where they live. As a result, a lot of their claims can be verified with their "previous" parents, spouses, children and friends. This puts a huge strain on their present and "past" families.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      There are far better cases in India in both time and space, where reincarnation is taken for granted. You have children whose "previous life" was very recent and near where they live. As a result, a lot of their claims can be verified with their "previous" parents, spouses, children and friends. This puts a huge strain on their present and "past" families.
      Couldn't they just deposit a few bucks into an account with a false name, and collect it, the next time?
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  • Profile picture of the author HN
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    The fact that people have access to someone else's memories doesn't prove that there is live after death or that the souls change bodies.

    Science can explain why some people have memories of "their previous life".

    If you hire scientists to find a scientific explanation, I believe a lot of them would come up with a theory, some of which would even make enough sense so that many people would buy into it, esp. the ones who reject the idea of afterlife.
    If you were paid a million bucks, or if your life depended on coming up with a scientific theory, wouldn't you come up with something?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      That's what I like about theories like reincarnation - you can't prove them right or wrong.

      That drives some people nuts!
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    • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
      Originally Posted by HN View Post

      The fact that people have access to someone else's memories doesn't prove that there is live after death or that the souls change bodies.

      Science can explain why some people have memories of "their previous life".

      If you hire scientists to find a scientific explanation, I believe a lot of them would come up with a theory, some of which would even make enough sense so that many people would buy into it, esp. the ones who reject the idea of afterlife.
      If you were paid a million bucks, or if your life depended on coming up with a scientific theory, wouldn't you come up with something?
      In sort of a related phenomena, there are numerous reports from people who have had organ
      transplants who remember things that happened to the donor. (I don't recall if the same applies
      to recipients of donated tissue.)
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        Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

        In sort of a related phenomena, there are numerous reports from people who have had organ
        transplants who remember things that happened to the donor. (I don't recall if the same applies
        to recipients of donated tissue.)
        Organ transplants and even blood transfer.

        Water has a memory, primitive, but still. Our bodies are 65% made of water.
        Also what if the junk DNA is actually not junk, but it works as the hard disk or a backup device to store long term memories, while the brain is more like a processor and a Random Access Memory or Cache, Flash, whatever you call it.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    It IS interesting, but one wonders how come they didn't say this when he was like 1yo! I mean if he remembers ALL this, why wouldn't he remember every language he learned as well. Did his prior self know japanese? And the pictures seemed simplistic for someone that lived through the ordeal.

    Christianity DOES give a few nods to reincarnation being possible. This doesn't actually reenforce the hindu idea which kind of speaks towards different variants, etc...

    Frankly, I HOPE the more reasonable Christian beliefs are true, and that a day will come when people are judged on THEMSELVES and any artificial status is thrown out the window. REMEMBER, that means NO money, fame, possessions, "promises", relationships, loopholes, or lawyers would save you.

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  • Profile picture of the author nickherc
    I think there is a decent change, reincarnation is real, but it's up to scientists to prove it, not random psychics. I think Nikola Tesla once said, when we'll start to explore non-material phenomenons, humanity will rapidly evolve (something in that context).
    There are phenomenons, that are hard to explain with the understanding we posses now (out of body experience, "coming back" from death and experiences that follow, past life memories in hypnotherapy (I'm talking about hardcore hypnotherapy)).

    I guess we'll all find out at the end .
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by nickherc View Post

      I think there is a decent change, reincarnation is real, but it's up to scientists to prove it, not random psychics. I think Nikola Tesla once said, when we'll start to explore non-material phenomenons, humanity will rapidly evolve (something in that context).
      There are phenomenons, that are hard to explain with the understanding we posses now (out of body experience, "coming back" from death and experiences that follow, past life memories in hypnotherapy (I'm talking about hardcore hypnotherapy)).

      I guess we'll all find out at the end .
      Well, if that kid is stating the truth, about what he knows and how, then HE pretty much has personal proof, and it is better than any "psychic". "Psychic's" usually try interrogation, vagueness, assumption, implication, and feedback to convince a listener that the "psychic" said far more than they really said, and have the listener basically TELL them what they are looking for.

      This is SUCH a powerful tool that any decent test, that requires interpreted feedback, will be what they call DOUBLE BLIND. That means that NEITHER side knows what is what. HERE, one side knows the answers. In a double blind study of a drug, for example, a person is supposed to label each test with a meaningless code, and there will be practically worthless items mixed in with the supposedly good drug. They are all supposed to make the patient believe they got the same thing. LATER someone else matches the results with what was expected. The worthless items should all get low grades, and the others should get GOOD ones.

      I guess they COULD have hired a disinterested person to find items the boy supposedly should know, and present them to the kid in a non interactive way with NO leading. The kid could then send the results to ANOTHER disinterested party, and the 2 parties could then go to a place to compare.

      For example, the family could be shown as separate photos with separate meaningless backgrounds. The child would have no reason to even think they were related, let alone be able to ask for names, or imply.

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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I've heard of a recent case where a possibly reincarnated child identified the man
    who killed him and the man became horrified because of the credibility of the kid.

    I think I'll go ponder this over some Irish Coffee made with Reincarnation Milk.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I've heard of a recent case where a possibly reincarnated child identified the man
      who killed him and the man became horrified because of the credibility of the kid.

      I think I'll go ponder this over some Irish Coffee made with Reincarnation Milk.
      People might not get that joke!

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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Thanks for explaining my joke and giving me credit for Claude's moves.
        Claude did the Reincarnation Milk joke in post 5 in this thread, and on another thread.
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    3-yr-old recalls past life murder, identifies killer and locates his body

    Kinda creepy. If it's true ofcourse.
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    • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
      Originally Posted by nickherc View Post

      That is the story I'd heard.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by nickherc View Post

      Many reincarnation stories involved people whose "past lives" were ended prematurely by murder, accidents or battle. It is as if they were given a second chance.

      Originally Posted by HN View Post

      The fact that people have access to someone else's memories doesn't prove that there is live after death or that the souls change bodies. Science can explain why some people have memories of "their previous life".
      I agree that having access to someone else' memories does not mean that there is reincarnation. However, I just cannot see how there could be credible scientific explanation for having access to a dead person's memory.
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      • Profile picture of the author HN
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        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        Many reincarnation stories involved people whose "past lives" were ended prematurely by murder, accidents or battle. It is as if they were given a second chance.

        I agree that having access to someone else' memories does not mean that there is reincarnation. However, I just cannot see how there could be credible scientific explanation for having access to a dead person's memory.
        You didn't think about it as if your life depended on it. If you were paid, like many scientists get paid for their fantasies, you might have come up with something like this... It will answer both your questions.

        Some brain scientists admit that they have no clue where the memory is stored. I know, the high school book authors know exactly, but serious scientists admit they don't. Funny isn't it? Other scientists say brain works more like an antenna and a computing device only, rather than a storing device. So there you go, the data is being constantly emitted from brain, it bounces around the planet until some infant picks it up. If you die in an accident, the signal that will be sent out before the death would be very strong. That's why there is a greater chance that it will be picked up by someone else.

        Now you only need to make some experiments that prove that brain emits EM or radio waves. And have an authority to talk about it. How about Hawking, Dawkins or Neil deGrasse Tyson. And believe me the public will accept this "theory" as a fact.

        And of course there is a theory that we are nothing but computer programs (like in the Matrix movie). That explains reincarnation. Someone just copy/pasted a file with little modifications. And there you go... past life memories. The computer program by the way is the only explanation to the most absurd and illogical ideas, like the biblical heaven and hell idea.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          The physical location of memory in the brain, these days, and its physical retrieval processes, can be so accurately pinpointed that it's even possible for scientists, using pulses of light, now to erase specific memories (only in mice, so far).

          Manipulating memory with light: Scientists erase specific memories in mice -- ScienceDaily

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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            The physical location of memory in the brain, these days, and its physical retrieval processes, can be so accurately pinpointed that it's even possible for scientists, using pulses of light, now to erase specific memories (only in mice, so far).

            Manipulating memory with light: Scientists erase specific memories in mice -- ScienceDaily
            I believe that science and logic have closed your mind to accepting nonsense with a straight face.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I believe that science and logic have closed your mind to accepting nonsense with a straight face.
              Your just worried, because they will be moving on to Chimps soon.
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                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                Your just worried, because they will be moving on to Chimps soon.
                The fact that you are back, and in great form...brings a smile to my face. Welcome back.
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  The fact that you are back, and in great form...brings a smile to my face. Welcome back.
                  Thanks, it was a great week. No internet, no phones. I had the chance to swim with the Manatee's as one of the island tours but I wanted to do something different from normal.
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                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    Thanks, it was a great week. No internet, no phones. I had the chance to swim with the Manatee's as one of the island tours but I wanted to do something different from normal.
                    Are you sayin we're the same as swimming with Manatees?
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                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                Your just worried, because they will be moving on to Chimps soon.
                Chimps never accept anything with a straight face.

                On the contrary, they have that whole maxillo-mandibular curvature thing going on for them ...
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        Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

        Many reincarnation stories involved people whose "past lives" were ended prematurely by murder, accidents or battle. It is as if they were given a second chance.



        I agree that having access to someone else' memories does not mean that there is reincarnation. However, I just cannot see how there could be credible scientific explanation for having access to a dead person's memory.
        Well.........lets attempt a logical one and see if it could work scientifically.

        There are minerals that store energy...ie, they store memory. These minerals vibrate. Children also vibrate, and sometimes might come across a mineral or other object that was placed at one time in proximity to be able to store the energy memory of the murder/burial. Because of some idiosyncrasy in the child's own vibration, he picks up (absorbs) the stored energy which is translated back into memory by neural hardwiring.

        That's the closest I can come to a scientifically logical answer. The argument has a logically valid structure, anyhow.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Well.........lets attempt a logical one and see if it could work scientifically.

          There are minerals that store energy...ie, they store memory. These minerals vibrate. Children also vibrate, and sometimes might come across a mineral or other object that was placed at one time in proximity to be able to store the energy memory of the murder/burial. Because of some idiosyncrasy in the child's own vibration, he picks up (absorbs) the stored energy which is translated back into memory by neural hardwiring.

          That's the closest I can come to a scientifically logical answer. The argument has a logically valid structure, anyhow.
          There IS the piezoelectric quality. It has been used for centuries. Basically, connecting electricity to a crystal can cause it to vibrate. Applying pressure to a crystal can generate a current.

          Piezoelectricity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            It IS interesting, but one wonders how come they didn't say this when he was like 1yo! I mean if he remembers ALL this, why wouldn't he remember every language he learned as well. Did his prior self know japanese? And the pictures seemed simplistic for someone that lived through the ordeal.

            Christianity DOES give a few nods to reincarnation being possible. This doesn't actually reenforce the hindu idea which kind of speaks towards different variants, etc...

            Frankly, I HOPE the more reasonable Christian beliefs are true, and that a day will come when people are judged on THEMSELVES and any artificial status is thrown out the window. REMEMBER, that means NO money, fame, possessions, "promises", relationships, loopholes, or lawyers would save you.

            Steve
            We are judged by ourselves or set laws, when we die, it doesn't happen externally!

            Then according to the level we achieved this time through we gravitate to the best level to evolve up there and possibly prepare down here.

            Most go to heaven though from what l have heard!

            I think that if reincarnation was false, then a grave injustice with premature baby's, etc would occur.

            Originally Posted by nickherc View Post

            I think there is a decent change, reincarnation is real, but it's up to scientists to prove it, not random psychics. I think Nikola Tesla once said, when we'll start to explore non-material phenomenons, humanity will rapidly evolve (something in that context).
            There are phenomenons, that are hard to explain with the understanding we posses now (out of body experience, "coming back" from death and experiences that follow, past life memories in hypnotherapy (I'm talking about hardcore hypnotherapy)).

            I guess we'll all find out at the end .
            Some scientist would love to prove it, (it can be proven with advance equipment) but whenever someone comes up with something that could open this subject up to the masses, then the usual confiscate the equipment, crap happens.



            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Oh I'm there with that idea, but I don't think we come back "here". I think we incarnate in higher dimensions. I also believe that some things here in the 3rd are bleed in from other dimensions - things like electricity and a few other forms of really inscrutable energy and substance....like the boson and dark energy.
            Possible, evolve enough down here, then coming back may not be necessary.

            And probably, higher dimensions are necessary in order to create laws that bind the galaxy together.

            Gravity is probably an illusion created by atoms shearing against or through higher dimensions and creating the illusion of gravity or weight!

            Which means that defying gravity could be achieved through sound waves, and even the right thoughts!

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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            There IS the piezoelectric quality. It has been used for centuries. Basically, connecting electricity to a crystal can cause it to vibrate. Applying pressure to a crystal can generate a current.

            Piezoelectricity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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            No. peizoelectric isn't memory. Memory is resonating energy, but it's not electricity. It silicon. Quartz crystals are silicon..... that's why crystals can store memory in a computer. Silicon.

            Trivia: Indians out in Colorado used to craft ceremonial rattles with a very thin translucent skin of some sort and put quartz crystals in them - shake them and you'd get the effect that they contained lightening bolts, flashes of light.

            No - it's some sort of energy retention. You're an engineer of some sort, right? So what elements store resonating energy and can spit it back out in one piece? Quartz (silicon crystals) is the only one I know. I'm sure there's others.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              No. peizoelectric isn't memory. Memory is resonating energy, but it's not electricity. It silicon. Quartz crystals are silicon..... that's why crystals can store memory in a computer. Silicon.

              Trivia: Indians out in Colorado used to craft ceremonial rattles with a very thin translucent skin of some sort and put quartz crystals in them - shake them and you'd get the effect that they contained lightening bolts, flashes of light.

              No - it's some sort of energy retention. You're an engineer of some sort, right? So what elements store resonating energy and can spit it back out in one piece? Quartz (silicon crystals) is the only one I know. I'm sure there's others.
              Crystals that have been manufactured the right way can also draw energy from subspace. The guy on YT vidoes who has defied gravity has also created special batteries that use this principal.

              Interesting about the crystal rattle though; it seems that we only need to study animals for common sence health, and possible cures, as well as ancient cultures, for new energy systems!

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                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Crystals that have been manufactured the right way can also draw energy from subspace. The guy on YT vidoes who has defied gravity has also created special batteries that use this principal.

                Interesting about the crystal rattle though; it seems that we only need to study animals for common sence health, and possible cures, as well as ancient cultures, for new energy systems!
                Shane - manufactured what kind of crystals. What is the natural crystal they're making synthetics of? Lazer is ruby, and I think they can replicate ruby now. Seems also, that if they have lazer from ruby, then saphire must be good for something - it's the same mineral, same crystal structure, just a different color. What is the crystal they are making?

                The batteries, I believe were some sort of electromagnetic concoction?
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                  Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                  Shane - manufactured what kind of crystals. What is the natural crystal they're making synthetics of? Lazer is ruby, and I think they can replicate ruby now. Seems also, that if they have lazer from ruby, then saphire must be good for something - it's the same mineral, same crystal structure, just a different color. What is the crystal they are making?

                  The batteries, I believe were some sort of electromagnetic concoction?
                  Hmmm, found a great site on all of this, l will do a new post, should rattle some skeptics!

                  I will find what l can on what he used!
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    My mom believes in eternal reincarnation. No wonder she is so tired.
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