MILK may NOT be so good for you!

by Raydal 86 replies
MILK may not be so good for you. Vegetarians have been preaching this for a long time now. Mother's milk is for human babies and cattle milk for calves. Adults don't need to drink milk. And the calcium argument is a myth. Well here is the science now ...

Milk intake and risk of mortality and fractures in women and men: cohort studies | The BMJ

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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    That's very interesting. The only thing that got me was the focus on a high consumption of milk and dairy.

    Just thinking out loud but perhaps a low or medium or moderate use of milk and dairy products may have different results?

    Also when my Mum grew up in a rural village, all the milk came from local cows and these farmers made the cheese and dairy. Further more the milk was all full fat, there was no semi skimmed, skimmed or any of the others we have.

    Is it therefore possible the mass production is also to blame?
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      The survey claims to have studied the health of men and women consuming one or more glasses of milk a day, but evidently didn't take into account the associated cookie intake.

      Seriously, can there really be that many adults drinking several glasses of milk as part of their daily diet? It's also worth noting that the study suggests fermented milk products such as cheese and yogurt may have the opposite effect of plain milk and be especially beneficial.

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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        Seriously, can there really be that many adults drinking several glasses of milk as part of their daily diet? It's also worth noting that the study suggests fermented milk products such as cheese and yogurt may have the opposite effect of plain milk and be especially beneficial.

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        Absolutely, me at least !! I love an ice cold glass of Milk at least twice a day. Been that way since I was a toddler

        Some Ritz crackers with Peter Pan Crunchy peanut butter and a ice cold glass of vitamin D Milk. A slice of Heaven for me !!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        Seriously, can there really be that many adults drinking several glasses of milk as part of their daily diet?
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        I drink a big glass of milk with each meal. When I worked in construction years ago I used to drink chocolate milk by the quart. Work hard, drink hard.

        I just had a physical a few months ago and I'm in great shape. All that milk drinking and sugar intake apparently hasn't done me any harm.

        The BMJ study about mammograms has been criticized as deeply flawed. Their cell phone study is being criticized as deeply flawed even before its public release. Their reviews of vitamin D research has been criticized as deeply flawed. They've been criticized for publishing papers without peer review. Their BMJ Plagiocephaly Study has been called severely flawed.

        Is the criticism about them fair, or agenda-driven? To be honest, I don't know, and I'm not interested in it enough to find out. I didn't even read the article linked in the OP.

        I do know one thing though, studies like these are often seriously flawed.
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          I drink a big glass of milk with each meal. When I worked in construction years ago I used to drink chocolate milk by the quart. Work hard, drink hard.
          If you're going to drink with a meal, milk is far better than water. Milk is a food and won't dilute the stomach's digestive juices like water does.

          I'd drink it myself, but it wouldn't mix with the wine.


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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post


            I'd drink it myself, but it wouldn't mix with the wine.


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            I'm going to assume this study means wine is good for you again, which is excellent timing with Christmas just round the corner.
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            • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
              Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

              I'm going to assume this study means wine is good for you again, which is excellent timing with Christmas just round the corner.
              Don't worry, Richard. I keep a handy list of links to any studies that confirm the health benefits of certain key dietary constituents...

              Wine, Coffee, Cheesecake etc.



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              • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                Don't worry, Richard. I keep a handy list of links to any studies that confirm the health benefits of certain key dietary constituents...

                Wine, Coffee, Cheesecake etc.



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                Oh thank God for that. If I ever wander down a rabbit hole and start commenting I don't think any of these essential parts of our diet are necessary, please do set me straight with as much force as possible.

                Having said that I simply can't see it happening in this lifetime or any others that pop up going forward.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                Don't worry, Richard. I keep a handy list of links to any studies that confirm the health benefits of certain key dietary constituents...

                Wine, Coffee, Cheesecake etc.



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                If you find a health study in favor of ice cream or pizza, do let me know.
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                • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                  If you find a health study in favor of ice cream or pizza, do let me know.
                  Don't need a study. It's just a common, excepted fact that ice cream, pizza, and bacon, are essential for your health.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
    And this: Debunking The Milk Myth: Why Milk Is Bad For You And Your Bones

    Why the "Milk Myth" ever came to be is utterly crazy. Calcium is readily available in a natural, healthy diet that never involves cows' milk. Furthermore, if all the huge milk producing dairy lots scattered around the country were eliminated, it would do a great deal to help the environment as well as remove a great deal of cruelty. Every step of milk production involves animal cruelty.

    Watch this: MilkIsCruel.com
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    • Profile picture of the author dell99
      I just watched the video on "Milk is Cruel". So heart breaking. Have you received any responses or reactions to this video? If so, what were they?
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    I dunno, I have been drinking almost a liter or more of milk every day for years and I feel like a God.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      I have been drinking almost a liter or more of milk every day for years and I feel like a God.
      Yes indeed ... I've read that too much milk can even cause delusions of grandeur, too.

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      • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Yes indeed ... I've read that too much milk can even cause delusions of grandeur, too.

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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Yes indeed ... I've read that too much milk can even cause delusions of grandeur, too.

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        LOL! Love it, Lexy!


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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        We know...................
        .....damn you..........


        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Yes indeed ... I've read that too much milk can even cause delusions of grandeur, too.

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        I doubt it. I drink a gallon a day, and am the most humble and quiet person...that has ever lived on this planet.
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        • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I doubt it. I drink a gallon a day, and am the most humble and quiet person...that has ever lived on this planet.
          Well there goes the 'drinking milk will help put hair on your ba.. er, head', theory
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      I dunno, I have been drinking almost a liter or more of milk every day for years and I feel like a God.
      We know...................
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I don't drink milk, neither did I give my 5 kids milk. They were
    all breast-fed and later used soy or almond milk. The only
    break is that we may use ice-cream if offered outside the home,
    lest we appear like some weirdos. Well, not really the reason
    but I don't make it such a big deal.

    But the "Got Milk" commercials have really sold Americans
    that they NEED milk for strong bones and teeth--now we "know"
    it's the opposite.

    One other popular drink that doesn't enter my home is Soda.
    Did you see the latest study? It can age you like SMOKING!

    Sugar and Soda: It May Age You As Much As Smoking

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      I understand science is science, but honestly, chocolate milk was the only thing that helped keep my dinner down last night after hardly eating anything at all for two weeks.

      I'm not a milk drinker, but I loved my chocolate milk last night. =)


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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    I am drinking milk as I read this. Yum.

    Seriously- first they said Fish Oil will give you Prostate cancer, now its Milk, next will be Water.

    EVERYTHING WILL KILL YOU. BEST TO JUST KILL YOURSELF.
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  • Profile picture of the author rodonet
    The title of this thread should be "Milk is bad for you".
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    And all these years, I thought I was the only person to feel like (a) god after drinking milk. Well, there ya go. I'm not sure if I agree with the statement re delusions of ganja.

    I read somewhere, quite a while ago, that humans are the only mammals to drink milk after the weaning thing is over, or whatever it's called.

    I've also felt the arguments for drinking milk were just marketing created by the dairy industry for obvious reasons. So...

    I've read that milk causes excessive mucus production. I do believe that because I can see it in myself. I've always loved milk, still do and will continue enjoying it. Moo.

    Back in the 90s my best friend from high school, who had married and had a few kids, told me about his son who had chronic ear infections. Switching into medical sleuth mode, I asked if his son drank milk. He said his son loves milk and drank a lot of it. He also mentioned that the doctor was starting to lean toward ear surgery for some reason I cannot recall.

    I explained the bit about too much mucus. And I suggested the excessive mucus was trapping microscopic varmints and causing constant ear infections. Then I suggested his son cut back on milk or stop drinking it and see what that produces.

    After a month, my friend called me and reported that his son's ear infection cleared on its own and he had been fine ever since. My friend's regard for me, in addition to his wife's, increased immeasurably. Of course.

    I became convinced that milk was responsible and just knew I had qualities befitting a deity.

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      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      And all these years, I thought I was the only person to feel like (a) god after drinking milk. Well, there ya go. I'm not sure if I agree with the statement re delusions of ganja.

      I read somewhere, quite a while ago, that humans are the only mammals to drink milk after the weaning thing is over, or whatever it's called.

      I've also felt the arguments for drinking milk were just marketing created by the dairy industry for obvious reasons. So...

      I've read that milk causes excessive mucus production. I do believe that because I can see it in myself. I've always loved milk, still do and will continue enjoying it. Moo.

      Back in the 90s my best friend from high school, who had married and had a few kids, told me about his son who had chronic ear infections. Switching into medical sleuth mode, I asked if his son drank milk. He said his son loves milk and drank a lot of it. He also mentioned that the doctor was starting to lean toward ear surgery for some reason I cannot recall.

      I explained the bit about too much mucus. And I suggested the excessive mucus was trapping microscopic varmints and causing constant ear infections. Then I suggested his son cut back on milk or stop drinking it and see what that produces.

      After a month, my friend called me and reported that his son's ear infection cleared on its own and he had been fine ever since. My friend's regard for me, in addition to his wife's, increased immeasurably. Of course.

      I became convinced that milk was responsible and just knew I had qualities befitting a deity.

      Ken
      Hey Ken,

      This is probably because cats aren't very good at milking cows.

      Dogs also love milk, although too much will give them a case of the squirts.

      And I'd bet omnivores like pigs, bears and racoons also like milk. I don't know about animals like deer, but I have a feeling they would drink cow's milk if it was available to them.

      Plus, I doubt many housewives had affairs with the vegetable man.

      I love milk. I'll stop drinking it when they pry the glass out of my cold, dead hand.
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I love milk. I'll stop drinking it when they pry the glass out of my cold, dead hand.
        Isn't that a Charlton Heston quote? I believe he was a lifelong member of the NMA.


        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        I agree with both Suzanne and Kay.

        then what the heck are you supposed to eat for breakfast????

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        Tofu eggs sprinkled with organic twigs and bark imported from California.

        As for me, 3 (real) eggs with scrapple (or bacon or sage sausage), biscuits with sausage gravy AND a tall damn glass of cold milk. Can't forget a cup of coffee with cream and sugar and an American Spirit cigarette.

        Breakfast of champeens.

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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Hey Ken,

        This is probably because cats aren't very good at milking cows.

        Dogs also love milk, although too much will give them a case of the squirts.

        And I'd bet omnivores like pigs, bears and racoons also like milk. I don't know about animals like deer, but I have a feeling they would drink cow's milk if it was available to them.

        Plus, I doubt many housewives had affairs with the vegetable man.

        I love milk. I'll stop drinking it when they pry the glass out of my cold, dead hand.
        You'd win that bet I've seen all those animals drinking milk when it was available (except bears, at least in person). I've also heard stories of fawns loosing their mothers and nursing off cows in the pasture. Spend some time in a milking barn and you stop being surprised over what different animals like milk
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Interesting thread and an interesting (but inconclusive) study in the BMJ.

      Regardless of how anyone feels about milk consumption, this study shouldn't be one on which to base any decisions.

      First, self-report studies (e.g. using questionnaires or surveys) are inherently flawed. There's frequently a fair amount of discrepancy between what people say they do and what they actually do. The researchers in this study have absolutely no way of knowing how accurate people's responses were; the actual amount of milk consumed wasn't controlled by the researchers. This isn't to say, necessarily, that people were intentionally lying. But a lot of people tend to overestimate or underestimate their consumption of things, and relying on recall (particularly over several years) can be problematic.

      The second major thing to take into consideration with this study is the word "association" in the results. Association (or correlation) is not the same as causation. Two things can be highly correlated with each other, but that doesn't automatically mean that one causes the other. That's vital to keep in mind, and also part of the reason the article concludes with this statement:

      Given the observational study designs with the inherent possibility of residual confounding and reverse causation phenomena, a cautious interpretation of the results is recommended.

      The other major flaw in this study is that it didn't take into account the type of milk consumed. There's a huge difference between pasteurized, homogenized, low-fat (skim, 1%, 2%) milk from factory farmed cows that have been fed unnatural and unhealthy grain-based diets, and pumped with antibiotics and hormones, and raw, organic, milk from grass-fed cows that haven't been treated with antibiotics and hormones. The vast majority of research done on the dangers of drinking milk is based on the former, not the latter, type of milk. So, the results are skewed right from the beginning.

      The argument that humans are the only mammals to drink milk after they're weaned is also seriously flawed. We're the only mammals with the intelligence and ability to milk other animals. And it's not like humans continue drinking milk from their mothers into adulthood. In the wild, predatory animals will drink the milk when they kill a lactating animal for food (e.g. when lions kill a lactating zebra). They don't ignore the milk and just leave it. Many other mammals will drink milk if given the opportunity as well.

      As for milk causing excess mucus production and other problems. That depends largely on the person. A large percentage of the population is lactose intolerant to varying degrees, but not everyone is. Also, many people who have problems with conventional, pasteurized milk can drink raw milk with no problems at all. Not to mention, since the SAD (standard American diet) is disastrous to gut health, many people find that once they heal their gut, they can tolerate dairy and other formerly problematic foods, like nightshades and foods containing FODMAPS.

      As for the calcium and bones argument. I agree with Annie there. You can get plenty of calcium from non-dairy foods. However, other nutrients also play a vital role in bone health, including vitamins D3 and K2, potassium, and magnesium. Focusing on calcium and neglecting the others actually promotes bone loss rather than prevents it.

      One last thing; soy milk is probably one of the worst things you can consume as a milk substitute. First, around 90% of soy grown in the U.S. is genetically modified. Second, soy can wreak havoc on hormones, leading to all sorts of health issues. Third, soy intolerance and allergies are pretty common.

      Studies like the one referenced by the OP are inconclusive and seriously flawed. Sadly, these are the types of studies that people are quick to quote to support their personal bias, whatever that may be. Understandably so, as that's human nature, but even as this study's author stated, you must use caution in interpreting the results.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        Interesting thread and...
        ...and an excellent post on your part! Thanks for the effort, I appreciate it.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

          I dunno, I have been drinking almost a liter or more of milk every day for years and I feel like a God.
          Well, mixing growth hormones in with milk doesn't count!


          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          For breakfast, I usually have a slice of regret, and I wash it down with a cup of lowered expectations.
          I figured you for a bowel of cornflakes man myself?


          Originally Posted by nickherc View Post

          Milk is bad, milk is good, coffee is bad, coffee is good, grains are good, grains are bad...

          These studies change every few years, so my advice would be, pick what you like, injest it (with moderation) and enjoy yourself. If you like milk, drink it.
          Yes, chocolate is bad then it is good, cocaine is good then it is bad, it will never end!

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          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          ...and an excellent post on your part! Thanks for the effort, I appreciate it.


          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          Interesting thread and an interesting (but inconclusive) study in the BMJ.

          Regardless of how anyone feels about milk consumption, this study shouldn't be one on which to base any decisions.
          I agree with Dennis. One heck of a great post.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I basically don't care much about what news reports or vegetarians or anyone says is good for me or bad for me. I don't drink milk because I don't like it, except occasionally in cereal. I do eat cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese and other milk products ... all in moderation and have no intention of eliminating them.

    There was the same crap over eggs ... egg industry says "incredible edible egg" ... news and other sources says cholesterol blah blah blah.

    Eat what you want and drink what you want. The key in everything is moderation. Milk isn't going to kill anyone anytime soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I'm with Suzanne - never liked the taste of milk so I used it only to wet down my cereal and I don't finish off the milk left in the bowl, either.

      Whatever you eat, drink, do - is often fine within limits - in moderation. Overdoing or overeating anything can be bad for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        I agree with both Suzanne and Kay.

        If you're not supposed to eat eggs, bacon, milk or it's by products like cheese, butter, etc., because they're unhealthy, then what the heck are you supposed to eat for breakfast????


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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

            Tofu eggs sprinkled with organic twigs and bark imported from California.

            As for me, 3 eggs with scrapple (or bacon or sage sausage), biscuits with sausage gravy AND a tall damn glass of cold milk. Can't forget a cup of coffee with cream and sugar and an American Spirit cigarette.

            Breakfast of champeens.

            Ken
            For breakfast, I usually have a slice of regret, and I wash it down with a cup of lowered expectations.
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            • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              For breakfast, I usually have a slice of regret, and I wash it down with a cup of lowered expectations.
              On occasion, I'll have a bowl of shame, the kind with 2 scoops of raisins, with 1% self-esteem milk.

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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              For breakfast, I usually have a slice of regret, and I wash it down with a cup of lowered expectations.
              Sounds like a dating site rather than breakfast.
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              • Profile picture of the author nickherc
                Milk is bad, milk is good, coffee is bad, coffee is good, grains are good, grains are bad...

                These studies change every few years, so my advice would be, pick what you like, injest it (with moderation) and enjoy yourself. If you like milk, drink it.
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                    Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

                    I bet if we gave kids a choice of where they'd like to drink their milk from, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

                    or this
                    Well, fact is ... not every woman produces enough milk to nourish their babies. I didn't and had to give it up after 4 months. My daughter then proceeded to gain weight normally and was in perfect health. There are lots of reasons some women cannot breastfeed their babies.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Well, fact is ... not every woman produces enough milk to nourish their babies. I didn't and had to give it up after 4 months. My daughter then proceeded to gain weight normally and was in perfect health. There are lots of reasons some women cannot breastfeed their babies.
                      I was just clowning around, but I wouldn't trust anything that the FDA says. The FDA considers anything that can make a profit as "good for you"

                      There is a reason the U.S has one of the highest rates of cancer and obesity, and it's because the FDA allows us to be poisoned in the name of profits. If you look at the contries with the lowest cancer rates, it's poor countries where food is not so plentiful.
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

                        I was just clowning around, but I wouldn't trust anything that the FDA says. The FDA considers anything that can make a profit as "good for you"

                        There is a reason the U.S has one of the highest rates of cancer and obesity, and it's because the FDA allows us to be poisoned in the name of profits. If you look at the contries with the lowest cancer rates, it's poor countries where food is not so plentiful.
                        I agree and also that shills like Dr. Oz and Oprah would promote anything that feathered their nests. I don't rely on FDA for food information. I have higher standards than they do.
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                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          I agree and also that shills like Dr. Oz and Oprah would promote anything that feathered their nests. I don't rely on FDA for food information. I have higher standards than they do.
                          It's pretty much eat at your own risk, there is so much misinformation out there. Who knows what's good and what is not.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          I agree with both Suzanne and Kay.

          If you're not supposed to eat eggs, bacon, milk or it's by products like cheese, butter, etc., because they're unhealthy, then what the heck are you supposed to eat for breakfast????


          Terra
          Anyone who would even remotely suggest that an Egg a day is unhealthy is purely not up on health facts. It is just plain and simple as that, look at the research.

          Not only are eggs not bad they are a 'Super food', as categorized by Dr. Oz
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            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            Anyone who would even remotely suggest that an Egg a day is unhealthy is purely not up on health facts. It is just plain and simple as that, look at the research.

            Not only are eggs not bad they are a 'Super food', as categorized by Dr. Oz
            While I agree that eggs in moderation are not bad for you, Dr. Oz categorizes anything that he can make a buck from, a Superfood.
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              While I agree that eggs in moderation are not bad for you, Dr. Oz categorizes anything that he can make a buck from, a Superfood.
              Respectfully Suzanne I disagree with you.

              I have been watching the real life Show " Surgeon Oz " on OWN.

              I never liked Dr. Oz until I starting watching this the last few weeks.

              Believe it or not ( I couldn't at first) this guy is a real sweetheart. I mean he really is.

              His whole demeanor is one of true sincerity and he is really a caring person. I have NEVER seen any doctor s so down to Earth in person or on TV.

              It is not BS either. I can tell when its for Ratings and it is not. He is just truly a hellavu guy.

              Case and point. One episode had this man in his thirties have a sudden Aorta Collapse right there on Camera. It was one of the most unbelievable things I have ever seen on Reality TV.

              Dr. Oz was making casual rounds in the ER ( and the camera crew just happened to be there filming) He stopped and was talking to this guy and everything was fine and very calm. The man said he had been having some pain and breathing problems,and telling his story , and joking with Dr. Oz ,then all of the sudden out of nowhere he clutched his chest and said he was having exactly what his dad died years ago. An massive Aorta collapse and hemorrhage.

              It was extremely alarming and Dr. OZ began rubbing his forehead and telling him ( after the guy kept saying he was dying) that he was not going to let this happen. It was really moving.

              Like I said I thought he was a guy who was fame and money hungry. But he is really not. It seems that way on the Dr. Oz show but that is really not him.

              He is one of those guys who you scratch your head and ask the question "how can someone so smart, rich, and powerful be so truly humble."

              Its weird.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                Respectfully Suzanne I disagree with you.

                ...

                Believe it or not ( I couldn't at first) this guy is a real sweetheart. I mean he really is.

                Like I said I thought he was a guy who was fame and money hungry. But he is really not

                ...

                He is one of those guys who you scratch your head and ask the question "how can someone so smart, rich, and powerful be so truly humble."
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                Respectfully Suzanne I disagree with you.

                I have been watching the real life Show " Surgeon Oz " on OWN.

                I never liked Dr. Oz until I starting watching this the last few weeks.

                Believe it or not ( I couldn't at first) this guy is a real sweetheart. I mean he really is.

                His whole demeanor is one of true sincerity and he is really a caring person. I have NEVER seen any doctor s so down to Earth in person or on TV.

                It is not BS either. I can tell when its for Ratings and it is not. He is just truly a hellavu guy.

                Case and point. One episode had this man in his thirties have a sudden Aorta Collapse right there on Camera. It was one of the most unbelievable things I have ever seen on Reality TV.

                Dr. Oz was making casual rounds in the ER ( and the camera crew just happened to be there filming) He was talking to this guy and everything was fine and very calm. The man said he had been having some pain and breathing problems,and telling his story , and joking with Dr. Oz then all of the sudden out of nowhere he clutched his chest and said he was having exactly what his dad died years ago. An massive Aorta collapse and hemorrhage.

                It was extremely alarming and Dr. OZ began rubbing his forehead and telling him ( after the guy kept saying he was dying) that he was not going to let this happen. It was really moving.

                Like I said I thought he was a guy who was fame and money hungry. But he is really not. It seems that way on the Dr. Oz show but that is really not him.

                He is one of those guys who you scratch your head and ask the question "how can someone so smart, rich, and powerful be so truly humble."

                Its weird.
                I've never seen the show, but the "convenience" of someone having a medical emergency on camera as you described smacks of charlatanism to me. So, I had to do a quick search to even find out who this is - all I knew about him is that I get spammed multiple times a day with his name in the subject line.

                During a congressional hearing, "Oz many times acknowledged products he told viewers to use are not scientifically supported and don’t have the research to be presented as fact."

                One product he promoted was "backed" by a study of 16 people in India, and the person conducting the study was on the payroll of the company promoting the product being studied.

                The truth behind another study he cited for a weight loss product he was hawking is that the product didn't help people lose weight any better than a placebo.

                I found a lot more unflattering things about him, including lawsuits against him for the injuries his "cures" have caused.

                Just thought you'd like to know.

                Edited to add: Looks like Suzanne got there ahead of me. Wasn't trying to "pile on" I just thought you'd want to know he may not be all he appears to be.
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                • Profile picture of the author discrat
                  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                  I've never seen the show, but the "convenience" of someone having a medical emergency on camera as you described smacks of charlatanism to me. So, I had to do a quick search to even find out who this is - all I knew about him is that I get spammed multiple times a day with his name in the subject line.
                  Sorry, if you saw the scene you would realize this was not possible.

                  Btw,, it is called an Aortic Dissection not a Aortic Collapse or Hemorrhage like I stated above
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                    Sorry, if you saw the scene you would realize this was not possible.
                    Perhaps. There have been some extremely good performances acted out in the public spotlight before, though. Even if true, that doesn't necessarily discount what I found about him.
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                  I've never seen the show, but the "convenience" of someone having a medical emergency on camera as you described smacks of charlatanism to me. So, I had to do a quick search to even find out who this is - all I knew about him is that I get spammed multiple times a day with his name in the subject line.

                  During a congressional hearing, "Oz many times acknowledged products he told viewers to use are not scientifically supported and don’t have the research to be presented as fact."

                  One product he promoted was "backed" by a study of 16 people in India, and the person conducting the study was on the payroll of the company promoting the product being studied.

                  The truth behind another study he cited for a weight loss product he was hawking is that the product didn't help people lose weight any better than a placebo.

                  I found a lot more unflattering things about him, including lawsuits against him for the injuries his "cures" have caused.

                  Just thought you'd like to know.

                  Edited to add: Looks like Suzanne got there ahead of me. Wasn't trying to "pile on" I just thought you'd want to know he may not be all he appears to be.
                  In addition to the FTC action, there are personal lawsuits against him. One man won a $2.3 million dollar lawsuit after his wife died from a plastic surgeon that he recommended - procedure - liposuction.
                  Man wins $2.3M after wife dies following

                  Then there's a lawsuit that the judge refused to hear where the man got 2nd and 3rd degreee burns from following his TV advice. The Judge says that listening to a "TV personality" isn't the same as a Dr./patient communication, so he wouldn't hear the case.
                  Dr. Oz Beats TV Viewer's Lawsuit Over Medical Advice - Hollywood Reporter

                  So that basically means that listening to someone named "Dr." Oz is at your own risk, because he is just a TV personality.
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
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            Anyone who would even remotely suggest that an Egg a day is unhealthy is purely not up on health facts. It is just plain and simple as that, look at the research.

            Not only are eggs not bad they are a 'Super food', as categorized by Dr. Oz
            Interesting you said that. John M'Carthy was a 5 year hostage in an arab country. All they fed him was boiled eggs. His mental state was not that great but he was quite healthy.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      So we feed cows an unnatural diet, them pump them full of antibiotics because if it. Then we inject them with rBGH so they will produce more. Then it's pasteurized to kill all the harmful stuff that's now in the milk because of the unnatural diet antibiotics and rBGH, which also kills the good stuff.
      Then it's Milk is bad for you, gee I wonder why?
      But even dismissing all that milk (from any species) is for feeding newborns. It's 'designed' to give the nutrition needed for that particular mammal. So I can see where raw milk from properly fed mammals could be good for you in limited quantities. But like with just about anything else to much could be bad for you.
      The milk you normally get in stores on the other hand is just about only good for wetting cereal and lightening the color of coffee.
      I do drink milk but only around 2 cups worth in mu morning shake and also from producers who don't inject their cows with rBGH. I really prefer Goats milk, but it's to damn expensive in the store and my friend doesn't have her female goats anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    At first glance I thought the page title was: MLK may NOT be so good for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I agree that the way milk is produced today is not only unhealthy - it's criminal. I love milk but won't touch it unless it's organic........and even then, I want raw. Raw milk has all the benefits that are killed when it is pasteurized.

    I was never sucked in to the "butter is bad for you, non-fat" bs that hurt so many people. I love butter and eat a lot of it - same, organic. Cheese is also a staple in my diet.

    Milk was just fine for us until the 1950's when it started to have all the beneficial elements cooked out of it, and later when it became loaded with growth hormone and antibiotics (and the cows fed GMO grain) that it became walking poison. Factory farm is good for nobody -- and it is pure torture to animals. If you buy factory farmed meat - you are funding torture. Period. People don't need to stop eating meat or dairy - but they need to cut down to a reasonable amount and they need to start buying only organic - if for no other reason than to put the factory farms out of business. It's ridiculous to eat meat 3 times a day. Your body isn't constructed for that much meat protein.

    As far as mucus production - Ken's right. If I start having a problem with allergies or asthma, or have an infection, the first thing I do is cut off the dairy. It's the only time I cut it off, though.

    Organic, or raw milk product, is very expensive out here, but then, cancer is known to cost a little bit, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    Not only have vegans said this, the Paleo/Primal community has said it as well. Personally, I don't understand why a human would drink cow's milk. It makes no sense to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Science have been about claims and counter claims for quite a while that i don't even bother myself with all these myth anymore.

    What i believe is, Gun is good as well as bad, it depends on the hand it falls.

    Drink Milk Responsibly....
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Question for anyone. If milk is so bad why is it the first thing fed to the new born of all mammals?
      Milk didn't become bad until we started adulterating the processes that lead up to it's consumption.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Question for anyone. If milk is so bad why is it the first thing fed to the new born of all mammals?
        Milk didn't become bad until we started adulterating the processes that lead up to it's consumption.
        That obviously rational and illuminating question has no place here.
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      • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Question for anyone. If milk is so bad why is it the first thing fed to the new born of all mammals?
        Wrong!! Water is the first thing given to a baby within the initial 7days.

        So far, humans don't get side effect from drinking water. It can only be dangerous when it gathers in large quantity (SEA) or comes with full force.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

          Wrong!! Water is the first thing given to a baby within the initial 7days.

          So far, humans don't get side effect from drinking water. It can only be dangerous when it gathers in large quantity (SEA) or comes with full force.
          Really? Because I've watched more live births of mammals from cats and dogs to goats and cows then I can count. Always saw the mother's offer their teat for nourishment and never a bowl of water.
          Same goes for mammals in the wild.
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          • Profile picture of the author Cali16
            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            Really? Because I've watched more live births of mammals from cats and dogs to goats and cows then I can count. Always saw the mother's offer their teat for nourishment and never a bowl of water.
            Same goes for mammals in the wild.
            Same here, Thom. I grew up on a farm with lots of animals. I've never seen a newborn calf, foal, kitten, or puppy given water first - let alone for the first 7 days. They start nursing from the mother from day one. If the mother's unable to nurse for some reason, they will sometimes nurse from another lactating animal (if available) or may be bottle fed with some type of formula to substitute for the mother's milk.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

            Really? Because I've watched more live births of mammals from cats and dogs to goats and cows then I can count. Always saw the mother's offer their teat for nourishment and never a bowl of water.
            Same goes for mammals in the wild.

            Can I get the video? It's the closest thing to porn, my wife will let me watch.
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Can I get the video? It's the closest thing to porn, my wife will let me watch.
              That would be a good way for her to keep you away. If you're not use to it, seeing everything else that comes out of there in addition to the new born could turn you off from sex for a long, long, time
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

                That would be a good way for her to keep you away. If you're not use to it, seeing everything else that comes out of there in addition to the new born could turn you off from sex for a long, long, time

                I watched my son being born. You're right. It was a real shock to the sex life.
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                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  I watched my son being born. You're right. It was a real shock to the sex life.
                  I saw my first calf born when I was 5 so it never had that effect on me.
                  When I was in college I took an EMT course instead of Phys. Ed.
                  One class was on assisting a woman with child birth. We had to watch a video of a woman giving birth. It looked like the camera was set up by her feet pointing between her legs the whole time.
                  At the end of the video all the girls in the class said they would never get pregnant, all the guys said they weren't sure if they would have sex again. The instructor and I just kinda laughed at them
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          Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

          Wrong!! Water is the first thing given to a baby within the initial 7days.

          So far, humans don't get side effect from drinking water. It can only be dangerous when it gathers in large quantity (SEA) or comes with full force.
          Bad water is one of, if not the biggest, single killer of children in the World. It's very dangerous if not treated, disenfected, purified and/or pasteurized.
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      • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Question for anyone. If milk is so bad why is it the first thing fed to the new born of all mammals?
        Milk didn't become bad until we started adulterating the processes that lead up to it's consumption.
        Milk from the mothers of the mammal......
        Do you see cows feeding their offspring human milk? Or, any other animal feeding their young the milk of another animal?
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          Originally Posted by Young Financier View Post

          Milk from the mothers of the mammal......
          Do you see cows feeding their offspring human milk? Or, any other animal feeding their young the milk of another animal?
          It happens all the time.
          Here's just two videos from youtube.
          First a dog feeding kittens.
          Now a monkey breast feeding a kitten.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Young Financier View Post

          Milk from the mothers of the mammal......
          Do you see cows feeding their offspring human milk? Or, any other animal feeding their young the milk of another animal?
          Not often. But cows don't know how to enslave humans and use machines to extract the milk.

          And, other animals don't know how to milk cows or goats.

          And how many of us would enjoy a glass of cat or dog milk?

          Me? I prefer mouse milk. At $2,000 an ounce (that's what I'm charging now), it will make you squeak. And that's a guarantee.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Here's a little more on cross mammal breast feeding.
            The breastfeeding by humans of animals is a practice that is widely attested historically and continues to be practiced today by some cultures. The reasons for the practice are varied: to feed young animals, to drain a woman's breasts, to promote lactation, to develop good nipples, to prevent conception and so on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%..._breastfeeding
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Dr Oz? LMAO. Dr Oz isn't on for your health. He's on to sell products.

    It's TV people. Don't you understand what TV is yet? Good grief.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    As for Calcium, the accepted need is about 1GM a day. That makes it one of the MOST necessary and highest dosed micronutrients. Whatever the milk, at least from mammals, it seems calcium is a big part.

    And magnesium, for an adult should be about 400MG.

    When they say it is bad for you, I wonder if they are excluding the lactose intolerant, and counting the benefits.

    Of course a LOT of things have calcium and magnesium. It IS possible to get it through a number of vegetables.

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