Do we have a Double Standard when 'body shaming' the skinny.

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These days it is more accepted to make fun of an ultra skinny person than it is an ultra fat person especially with women !

Is it really fair ? I mean there are real skinny girls who are naturally that way.

Any comment like " go eat a Taco" will not do anything to their bodies because of their metabolisms.

But yet it just seems like everytime we see a skinny model we make derogatory comments about her body image.


I do not think it is good for their psyche to hear this stuff. These comments can be as hurtful to a skinny person as it is to a fat person.

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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    My wife was ridiculed growing up for being so skinny, usually by heavy people. It seemd to make them feel better about themselves to put her down and act like she sat around starving herself. Heck, I got bullied relentlessly myself for many reasons, being skinny was part of that. When I got married I weighed 125 pounds. I lifted weighs, took weight gainers, did just about anything I could and couldn't gain a pound. That changed later, and then it was really hard because I never had to control my eating whatsoever before. Took me many years to figure that mess out. I remember getting mad once when I was young. People were always asking me if I ever ate, and I got tired of it and asked if they ever stopped. The look on my parents' faces was priceless.

    In the end, there doesn't have to be any shaming if people would just shut up and let other people do their thing. Too many people are worried about the possibility that others might live their life without knowing their often ignorant opinions so they must air them.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, some females can be VERY light, and still look nice. But being extra heavy doesn't make ANYONE look nice. As for me, I may show concern if a person is extra skinny, but won't ridicule.

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well, some females can be VERY light, and still look nice. But being extra heavy doesn't make ANYONE look nice. As for me, I may show concern if a person is extra skinny, but won't ridicule.

      Steve
      Steve, you bring up a very good point. I agree. It seems like the ones who say things about these skinny people are the ones who are being caddy and insecure about their own selves.

      Make no mistake, these people who say 'go eat a burger' truly do not really care one inkling about that person and their welfare. They are just being snarky and many times jealous (unfounded as it may be )

      Quite a difference than someone like me or you who genuinely is concerned for someone who has lost a lot of weight and could be sick.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I'm one of those people that has been called skinny. I've had to work with people who think it's their duty to make sure you know that people think you look sick if you're not at least a tad overweight. It gets real old real fast and I don't know how they think it's okay to heckle someone thin but it's not okay to even suggest someone is fat.

    I'm thin, but I'm not THAT thin. Maybe around 8 pounds underweight. My answer when people start in on "you're just way too thin" or "you look sick, you need some weight" is to just tell them if they weren't so damned fat I wouldn't look so thin to them. I love it when they get all offended over it - and they usually do. Sucks to be a cow I guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      It's not a fat VS skinny debate really.

      Most forms of "making fun of" (with a few exceptions) are just an act of projection of self dislike.
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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I'm one of those people that has been called skinny. I've had to work with people who think it's their duty to make sure you know that people think you look sick if you're not at least a tad overweight. It gets real old real fast and I don't know how they think it's okay to heckle someone thin but it's not okay to even suggest someone is fat.

      I'm thin, but I'm not THAT thin. Maybe around 8 pounds underweight. My answer when people start in on "you're just way too thin" or "you look sick, you need some weight" is to just tell them if they weren't so damned fat I wouldn't look so thin to them. I love it when they get all offended over it - and they usually do. Sucks to be a cow I guess.
      Remind me to never threaten to tie you down and force feed you lard.

      For the most part, I don't care...but when 'Reality TV' shows actively encourage people to become anorexics, I get very concerned (hence my comments on The Biggest Loser)....when you have family battling eating disorders, it does hit close to home.

      As far as the OP is concerned, I'm surprised people haven't commented on the cigarette the model is holding.....I would think that would bring out the Nazi's more than her weight.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

        Remind me to never threaten to tie you down and force feed you lard.
        Is this a common thing in your neck of the woods Floyd?
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        • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Is this a common thing in your neck of the woods Floyd?
          No, it's a line I picked up from 'Sex and the City'....the original quote involved supermodel Christy Turlington, and I twisted it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Floyd - I know who you mean and she is not anorexic - she is competitive. She lost as much as possible to win the Biggest Loser - and she won. Today she's put on enough weight to be "normal" - and she looks great.
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            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Floyd - I know who you mean and she is not anorexic - she is competitive. She lost as much as possible to win the Biggest Loser - and she won. Today she's put on enough weight to be "normal" - and she looks great.
            There is a lot more than just her. The wreckage that show has left behind is horrible, and it's why Jillian Michaels finally did the right thing and quit that show for good.

            Producers for that show need to be fired, and the show itself needs a complete overhaul.
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    Fine. Now that we are going in that direction, why are "dumb blonde" jokes still acceptable?
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      Originally Posted by umc View Post

      My wife was ridiculed growing up for being so skinny, usually by heavy people. It seemd to make them feel better about themselves to put her down and act like she sat around starving herself. Heck, I got bullied relentlessly myself for many reasons, being skinny was part of that. When I got married I weighed 125 pounds. I lifted weighs, took weight gainers, did just about anything I could and couldn't gain a pound. That changed later, and then it was really hard because I never had to control my eating whatsoever before. Took me many years to figure that mess out. I remember getting mad once when I was young. People were always asking me if I ever ate, and I got tired of it and asked if they ever stopped. The look on my parents' faces was priceless.

      In the end, there doesn't have to be any shaming if people would just shut up and let other people do their thing. Too many people are worried about the possibility that others might live their life without knowing their often ignorant opinions so they must air them.

      Yes, l went through all that, Primary school was the worst, but now, l do Pilates and a bit of home jym twice a week and look good, overall.

      Probably athletic slim is the best description, and l do put on weight now, but not much!



      Fat people are just p**** that they have to hit the treadmill or walk their pet in torrential rain, while people like me can binge out on chocolate, and just sit around with little difference!

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Fine. Now that we are going in that direction, why are "dumb blonde" jokes still acceptable?
      Well, is the emphasis on DUMB, or BLOND? I mean dumb IS an adjective! I could say a lot more here, but maybe they don't mean natural ones. All those chemicals can't be that great.

      I would be interested to know when this started though. Hitler figured THE ideal was blond, and a lot of countries, that do fine but are certainly disliked by some others, have historically been predominantly blond.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    These days it is more accepted to make fun of an ultra skinny person than it is an ultra fat person especially with women !

    Is it really fair ? I mean there are real skinny girls who are naturally that way.

    Any comment like " go eat a Taco" will not do anything to their bodies because of their metabolisms.

    But yet it just seems like everytime we see a skinny model we make derogatory comments about her body image.


    I do not think it is good for their psyche to hear this stuff. These comments can be as hurtful to a skinny person as it is to a fat person.

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    They must have a very weak psyche and self esteem issues if a few comments will hurt it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      They must have a very weak psyche and self esteem issues if a few comments will hurt it.
      It's still quite a good point though.

      A fat person will likely be upset if you called them fat. The fact is though a lot of naturally skinny people may be equally offended to be called skinny.

      Having said that, which of these sounds worse and which more acceptable?

      "Ooooh, you look really skinny!"

      or

      "Ooooh, you look really fat!".

      Same thing but I'd hazard a wager people would feel less likely to offend by saying someone is skinny, yet it may be as offensive as saying fat to a larger person.

      I agree though, thick skin (no pun intended) is required in this life.
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    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    These days it is more accepted to make fun of an ultra skinny person than it is an ultra fat person especially with women !
    It is. And it's really unpleasant.

    "I'm not criticising, dear, I'm only expressing my concern": the proportion of people who sound just about ready to bring out an "anorexia questionnaire" is ever-increasing, and it's none of their damn business.


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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      It is. And it's really unpleasant.

      "I'm not criticising, dear, I'm only expressing my concern": the proportion of people who sound just about ready to bring out an "anorexia questionnaire" is ever-increasing, and it's none of their damn business.


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      I agree Alexa. What is sad is do you think these people really sincerely care that someone might have Anorexia ( the person they are saying has anorexia that is ) ??

      Of course not, it is just s dig to make themselves feel better about their own insecurities.
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I've always been slim, don't know about skinny. I'm around 5'10 tall and since I first remember weighing myself at about 17, 18 I've always hovered around the same weight of about 10.5 - 11 stones, not that I've weighed myself for years. I remember walking to a pub with a workmate who was on the heavier side and some little kid shouted to his little mates, "look here comes fatty and skinny". I laughed because I thought he was just a cheeky little blighter, didn't offend me at all but my mate wasn't quite so happy about it.

    I really don't care whether somebody's fat, skinny, bald, hairy, short, tall, black, white, ugly, pretty, disabled, a freak, American, or anything. As long as they're what I'd call a decent person I couldn't care less.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I think slender is a good word. I don't know if skinny is slammed more or less than fat, or any other appearance thing.

    Unless it's a compliment, or they bring it up themselves about their self, I never make comments about anybody's appearance. I figure that since grade school they've heard enough rude comments about whatever aspect of their appearance that people will shoot their mouth off about. Big nose or ears, big boobs, small boobs, needing to smile more....I can see how it all gets tiresome - especially if it is just how you're made.

    I had a slender dog and got tired of hearing the need to feed her more comments. No vets say she's fine and walk away.

    On the other hand, don't let rude people ruin your day.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Yes, I used to make fun of bald people. Now I make fun of hairy people. I am a walking double standard because I am bald and have hair on my chest.
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        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Yes, I used to make fun of bald people. Now I make fun of hairy people. I am a walking double standard because I am bald and have hair on my chest.
        Yeah I always make fun of the baldies. Always.
        Can't stand em.
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          Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

          Yeah I always make fun of the baldies. Always.
          Can't stand em.
          Claude and Thomas know.
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          Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

          Yeah I always make fun of the baldies. Always.
          Can't stand em.
          People who shave their head and thus are bald to me are known 'cue balls'.

          People who are just losing their hair and are bald are 'baldies'

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          I'm very careful not to comment on a woman's appearance...except for a non-sexual compliment, like "I really like your hairstyle".

          Fat people know they are fat. Thin people know they are thin.

          And some people are very sensitive about their looks. I won't even talk about weight to a fat man or a skinny man.

          Even friends, if they are heavyset, I won't joke about their weight.

          Everyone knows what they look like. And making fun of another person's appearance, even when they can't hear you....shows a weak self image.

          About 20 years ago, my wife heard me joke about a young employee's weight....in his presence.

          She took me aside and explained to me how it sounded, how it made him feel. The thought that he would be sensitive to it, never occurred to me. That was pretty much it. Lesson learned.

          I just wish these revelations came earlier in life.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I'm very careful not to comment on a woman's appearance...except for a non-sexual compliment, like "I really like your hairstyle".

            Fat people know they are fat. Thin people know they are thin.

            And some people are very sensitive about their looks. I won't even talk about weight to a fat man or a skinny man.

            Even friends, if they are heavyset, I won't joke about their weight.

            Everyone knows what they look like. And making fun of another person's appearance, even when they can't hear you....shows a weak self image.

            About 20 years ago, my wife heard me joke about a young employee's weight....in his presence.

            She took me aside and explained to me how it sounded, how it made him feel. The thought that he would be sensitive to it, never occurred to me. That was pretty much it. Lesson learned.

            I just wish these revelations came earlier in life.
            It's a cultural thing. While living in Ukraine, there was no issues with telling someone they put on weight. I remember having a conversation with some Ukrainians about that. I told them it would be considered rude in the west and they just couldn't understand why.

            For them, the person put on weight and they probably knew they put on weight so what was the problem?
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            • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

              It's a cultural thing. While living in Ukraine, there was no issues with telling someone they put on weight. I remember having a conversation with some Ukrainians about that. I told them it would be considered rude in the west and they just couldn't understand why.

              For them, the person put on weight and they probably knew they put on weight so what was the problem?
              Some countries, and this may have changed, consider being heavy a sign of being wealthy because it means you can afford to eat well.
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          • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I'm very careful not to comment on a woman's appearance...except for a non-sexual compliment, like "I really like your hairstyle".

            Fat people know they are fat. Thin people know they are thin.

            And some people are very sensitive about their looks. I won't even talk about weight to a fat man or a skinny man.

            Even friends, if they are heavyset, I won't joke about their weight.

            Everyone knows what they look like. And making fun of another person's appearance, even when they can't hear you....shows a weak self image.

            About 20 years ago, my wife heard me joke about a young employee's weight....in his presence.

            She took me aside and explained to me how it sounded, how it made him feel. The thought that he would be sensitive to it, never occurred to me. That was pretty much it. Lesson learned.

            I just wish these revelations came earlier in life.
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


            Everyone knows what they look like. And making fun of another person's appearance, even when they can't hear you....shows a weak self image.
            Not so sure about this. I remember in College there were a few girls in Sororities who actually believed that they were hot. And they were true bow wows in every since of the word

            I really felt sorry for them because they sincerely believed this and people were kind of always laughing behind their backs.

            Call it "reverse" BDD (Body Dismorphic Disorder') or whatever but there are a select people who have true delusions that they are physically good looking. When in fact they are not even remotely attractive !!
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Not so sure about this. I remember in College there were a few girls in Sororities who actually believed that they were hot. And they were true bow wows in every since of the word
              Chances are they didn't care what you thought. I"ll take someone comfortable and happy with how they look over the insecure stud or beauty queen any day.

              Humans have a way of accommodating to who they are. You can't change how you look (without a lot of money and pain) so you justify it and appreciate your best points. It's not necessary to judge others.

              I've seen women who think they are hot - when I just don't see it (but then, I might not) and I've watched men who seem to think they are "god's gift" when I would beg to disagree. But to each his own - I just stick with people and body types I'm comfortable with.
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              • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                Chances are they didn't care what you thought. I"ll take someone comfortable and happy with how they look over the insecure stud or beauty queen any day.

                Humans have a way of accommodating to who they are. You can't change how you look (without a lot of money and pain) so you justify it and appreciate your best points. It's not necessary to judge others.

                I've seen women who think they are hot - when I just don't see it (but then, I might not) and I've watched men who seem to think they are "god's gift" when I would beg to disagree. But to each his own - I just stick with people and body types I'm comfortable with.
                Not sure where I read it, maybe somewhere in OT. Anyway, the more you like someone, the better
                looking they become. Likewise if they are physically attractive and you start to not like them, then they become less physically attractive.
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                Chances are they didn't care what you thought. I"ll take someone comfortable and happy with how they look over the insecure stud or beauty queen any day.
                Yeah it was not even like that. These girls were extraordinarily "mean girls". Very , very mean and inconsiderate and put down other people.

                You ever see the Movie, "Mean girls " ?

                That was these girls. Except physically they were true bow wows.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              Not so sure about this. I remember in College there were a few girls in Sororities who actually believed that they were hot. And they were true bow wows in every since of the word
              We all judge people's looks. Every man I know sees a woman for the fist time, and instantly has that decision to make "Would I, or wouldn't I?" And that's a fact. Every guy here knows what I mean. And people are judged by how they look.

              But.....pointing out inaccuracies in body image isn't a profitable pursuit. I can't think of a single time, where it would be to your benefit to laugh at another person's looks.
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                We all judge people's looks. Every man I know sees a woman for the fist time, and instantly has that decision to make "Would I, or wouldn't I?" And that's a fact. Every guy here knows what I mean. And people are judged by how they look.

                But.....pointing out inaccuracies in body image isn't a profitable pursuit. I can't think of a single time, where it would be to your benefit to laugh at another person's looks.
                Who said about laughing at another person's looks ? Other people did but I did not and never said so in my Post !
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                • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  Who said about laughing at another person's looks ? Other people did but I did not and never said so in my Post !
                  He's not saying you did. That's just Claude adjusting the topic to fit what he wants to say.


                  Biz^^^^, I'm sure she could.
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                We all judge people's looks. Every man I know sees a woman for the fist time, and instantly has that decision to make "Would I, or wouldn't I?" And that's a fact. Every guy here knows what I mean. And people are judged by how they look.
                I would be careful and not speak for everyone

                The fact is........... it is NOT a fact because many Men are not built that way including Men who prefer the Same sex. Just saying
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  I would be careful and not speak for everyone

                  The fact is........... it is NOT a fact because many Men are not built that way including Men who prefer the Same sex. Just saying
                  I speak for all men.

                  I am Claude Whitacre...Universal Man Spokesman.

                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  He's not saying you did. That's just Claude adjusting the topic to fit what he wants to say.
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                  I would never adjust the topic to fit what I want to say...

                  That's just..LOOK, A Squirrel!

                  Let me tell you about the squirrel in my back yard.....



                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  The fact is........... it is NOT a fact because many Men are not built that way including Men who prefer the Same sex. Just saying
                  Let's ask. Dan?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                    Man, I bet people make fun of that crooked rib all the time.
                    Stop it Dan, that's just mean! My crooked rib happens to be on the same side as my shorter leg. You have no idea how hard it is for me to navigate! I'm always listing to the right. I did get made fun of. As a teen, and going to the beach with my friends, they would see my protruding rib, gape, and then walk away from me. Not to mention my suntan was always skewed. There was always a red spot on my rib cage. They used to call me "Treesy the red ribbed reindeer"


                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                    Actually, I can't think of an effective insult. "Hey, look, there goes crooksy" just doesn't seem to cut it.
                    Crookski. I'm Polish, remember?

                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    "Slight overbite bitch?" Just trying to help here.
                    Maybe capitalizing those words would have been more helpful?

                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    "Non-Aniston boobs"?[
                    Yep, wish they were bigger! My sister and my mother are/were racked!! Me, I can see my shoes.


                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                    Nothing sounds right. All I can really think of is "Slender woman walking with horse".
                    You were the ONLY one that has ever commented on the stains on my rear. It was when I first starting posting down here. It had to do with crapping my pants, it was hilarious.


                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Unless she says that I'm more handsome than you, then it would be "Brilliant slender woman walking with horse".
                    I have never seen Riffle.

                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                    Well, I was just targeting the crooked rib. There's a crooked bone joke in there, but it's not really an insult, more of a compliment, really.

                    Additionally, I actually wouldn't want to insult Theresa anyway. Way too nice of a person (and can probably kick my ass as I assume she has Farm Strength).
                    That's 900 pounds of STUPID I'm walking in my avatar. First time I rode him bare back. It's a funny story, but let's just say he was being a jerk so I stuck a bridle in his mouth and jumped from my fence onto his back. Mmmwwaahhaaaaa.

                    Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                    And she could probably verbally slice you and Claude up, if she wanted to.

                    So, I think that'll be Ms. Brilliant Khemosabi for both of you from now on.
                    Don't scare Claude and Dan like that! They're already afraid of Sal, Kay and Suzanne. If Cheryl ever unleashed on them.... I'm just a Polish blond with a crooked rib, I mean no harm to anyone.

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                      Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

                      Stop it Dan, that's just mean! My crooked rib happens to be on the same side as my shorter leg. You have no idea how hard it is for me to navigate! I'm always listing to the right. I did get made fun of. As a teen, and going to the beach with my friends, they would see my protruding rib, gape, and then walk away from me. Not to mention my suntan was always skewed. There was always a red spot on my rib cage. They used to call me "Treesy the red ribbed reindeer"
                      Way to go Riffle! You heartless bastage.


                      Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

                      Yep, wish they were bigger! My sister and my mother are/were racked!! Me, I can see my shoes.
                      I wish I could see my shoes. You may list to the right, but at least you're consistent. I list whichever way my stomach is sloshing.
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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Way to go Riffle! You heartless bastage.




                        I wish I could see my shoes. You may list to the right, but at least you're consistent. I list whichever way my stomach is sloshing.
                        Have you tried taking them off once in a while?
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                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          Have you tried taking them off once in a while?
                          Rule #1: Never ask Claude to take off his shoes. Once you're unconscious, he'll steal all your stuff.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                            Rule #1: Never ask Claude to take off his shoes. Once you're unconscious, he'll steal all your stuff.

                            Riffle can tell you that from experience. I took off my shoes, and he passed out.

                            An hour later, he woke up and said "Where's my stuff, and why are my pants on the floor?"

                            I said "I have no idea...while I was stealing your stuff, you took off your pants. Probably an unconscious response." (get it?)

                            We both took a solemn vow. He promised not to tell anyone about the shoes and my stealing his stuff.....and I promised not to mention that Riffle takes off his pants at the drop of a hat.

                            I promised to keep one more secret about Riffle. It involve a donkey, and turkey baster.

                            But I swore never to tell the tale.
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                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              But I swore never to tell the tale.
                              The videos are all over YouTube .
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                • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  I would be careful and not speak for everyone

                  The fact is........... it is NOT a fact because many Men are not built that way including Men who prefer the Same sex. Just saying
                  Actually, Claude is right in a sense. When we socialize we choose who we want to socialize with by appearances first - even if only subconsciously. Not necessarily sexual attraction appearances, though. People choose hairstyles and clothing fashions that give hints of the type of people they are, what their likes are. We gravitate to those we feel we might be in social groups either "fit in" with or would like to. That's just cognitive science.

                  Attractive people, and those who keep their build athletic are attractive to others because there is a sense that these people live more exciting lives - and also true - is that they usually do. It's been shown in study after study that attractive people get the best job offers, for instance. Someone who the opposite sex finds attractive will always have more of the opposite sex approaching them, and that is a "sex thing" - so what. No real rocket science needed for that one.

                  Those that are generally attracted to athletic builds enough to want to pal with a group of them are usually also more active and adventurous than the the average. That's why you will see so many really built people hanging together. It's not really that they are "shallow". It could be that the group all just dropped in the local pub for a drink after a day of climbing, spelunking, gliding, biking, fitness training or other some such activities that they have common interests in while the not so fit probably just decided to join a friend out instead of watching tv.

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                  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                    Actually, Claude is right in a sense. When we socialize we choose who we want to socialize with by appearances first - even if only subconsciously. Not necessarily sexual attraction appearances, though. People choose hairstyles and clothing fashions that give hints of the type of people they are, what their likes are. We gravitate to those we feel we might be in social groups either "fit in" with or would like to. That's just cognitive science.
                    WHO says that the appearance deal is subconscious? I'll admit to doing it. STILL, I weigh that against the character and other facets of the person.

                    ive people, and those who keep their build athletic are attractive to others because there is a sense that these people live more exciting lives - and also true - is that they usually do. It's been shown in study after study that attractive people get the best job offers, for instance. Someone who the opposite sex finds attractive will always have more of the opposite sex approaching them, and that is a "sex thing" - so what. No real rocket science needed for that one.
                    Best job offers? That REALLY depends! I have seen people paid VERY well though they weren't attractive, and very poorly that were. Of course an attractive salesperson is more likely to get hired, and more likely to get business, so they will end up getting paid more. The SAME is true of actors and others that are at the front. Even THERE, you may be surprised. An attractive actor that people consider sub par may not make much at all, and some plain or UGLY ones have done well. Heck, my mother once worked with this guy that was an ugly brute, and she enjoyed pointing him out in films and series. He was one that was popular in playing one of the henchmen or heavies.

                    Those that are generally attracted to athletic builds enough to want to pal with a group of them are usually also more active and adventurous than the the average. That's why you will see so many really built people hanging together. It's not really that they are "shallow". It could be that the group all just dropped in the local pub for a drink after a day of climbing, spelunking, gliding, biking, fitness training or other some such activities that they have common interests in while the not so fit probably just decided to join a friend out instead of watching tv.
                    Nobody ever said jocks held together because they were shallow. But yeah. It is like competitive runners that have such similar builds. It could be because they have the same interest, or the same goal, or they adopt it because of the actions.

                    Who knows? Some body builders do that posing thing. It COULD be vanity, or to show off, or it could be to see what needs work to win a contest. Arnold Schwartzenegger even said that posing is a great workout. After all, it IS technically an isometric exercise.

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                  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                    Actually, Claude is right in a sense. When we socialize we choose who we want to socialize with by appearances first - even if only subconsciously. Not necessarily sexual attraction appearances, though. People choose hairstyles and clothing fashions that give hints of the type of people they are, what their likes are. We gravitate to those we feel we might be in social groups either "fit in" with or would like to. That's just cognitive science.

                    Attractive people, and those who keep their build athletic are attractive to others because there is a sense that these people live more exciting lives - and also true - is that they usually do. It's been shown in study after study that attractive people get the best job offers, for instance. Someone who the opposite sex finds attractive will always have more of the opposite sex approaching them, and that is a "sex thing" - so what. No real rocket science needed for that one.

                    Those that are generally attracted to athletic builds enough to want to pal with a group of them are usually also more active and adventurous than the the average. That's why you will see so many really built people hanging together. It's not really that they are "shallow". It could be that the group all just dropped in the local pub for a drink after a day of climbing, spelunking, gliding, biking, fitness training or other some such activities that they have common interests in while the not so fit probably just decided to join a friend out instead of watching tv.

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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  I would be careful and not speak for everyone

                  The fact is........... it is NOT a fact because many Men are not built that way including Men who prefer the Same sex. Just saying
                  I should clarify what I said. It may last for only a fraction of a second. But a part of your brain is selecting the woman (or man, if you're gay) for attractiveness and suitability.

                  I'm in a marriage that couldn't be more secure. I never even dream about other woman.

                  But, when I drive by the college...I look at the girls. Judging appearance, at some level.

                  I really think we all do it. Men look at women. Women look at men. (and gay people look at the same sex)

                  Anyone that is attracted to anyone...has to have a criteria to decide if that person was attractive. It's not a bad thing.


                  Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                  Actually, Claude is right in a sense.
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                  I have to memorize that.

                  "Actually, Riffle is attractive...in a sense". or "Actually, that was a compliment, in a sense"
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                We all judge people's looks. Every man I know sees a woman for the fist time, and instantly has that decision to make "Would I, or wouldn't I?" .
                I can say I never looked at a woman's fist and though would I or wouldn't I.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                  I can say I never looked at a woman's fist and though would I or wouldn't I.
                  I've looked at a lot of women's fists. And my first thought is "Run, or fake pass out?"

                  So, I guess it's "Would I or wouldn't I..run?".
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I've looked at a lot of women's fists. And my first thought is "Run, or fake pass out?"

                    So, I guess it's "Would I or wouldn't I..run?".
                    I look at it this way...

                    If curling up in a fetus position is good for a bear attack, it surely must be good for a woman with fists.
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    I used to real skinny as well but then I started hitting the gym and got a bit muscle
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      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      I used to real skinny as well but then I started hitting the gym and got a bit muscle

      Yes, we know
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  • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
    I think my question would be....

    Who gives a sh!t?

    If people are seriously running around, worried about someone else's physical appearance, then man, their life must truly be shallow.

    People spend way too much time categorizing others. I have yet to figure out why others have to have a title to them, whatever title that may be, in order to fit in somewhere.

    Here you go folks... I'm blond, Polish, my right leg is slightly shorter than my left leg. I have a crooked rib. I wish I had Jennifer Aniston's boobs, alas, I do not. I have a huge scar that I'm super proud of, and last, but not least, I have a slight overbite.

    With that above description, I'd bet that most here are thinking I look a lot like an ogre.

    As for as the OP goes, yep, haters gonna hate. Judging anyone, until you KNOW all the facts, to me, is a waste of time. Judging anyone based on physical appearance is like shooting pool with a rope.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

      I have a crooked rib.

      Man, I bet people make fun of that crooked rib all the time.


      Actually, I can't think of an effective insult. "Hey, look, there goes crooksy" just doesn't seem to cut it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        Man, I bet people make fun of that crooked rib all the time.


        Actually, I can't think of an effective insult. "Hey, look, there goes crooksy" just doesn't seem to cut it.
        "Slight overbite bitch?" Just trying to help here.

        "Non-Aniston boobs"?

        Nothing sounds right. All I can really think of is "Slender woman walking with horse".

        Unless she says that I'm more handsome than you, then it would be "Brilliant slender woman walking with horse".
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          "Slight overbite bitch?" Just trying to help here.

          "Non-Aniston boobs"?

          Nothing sounds right. All I can really think of is "Slender woman walking with horse".

          Unless she says that I'm more handsome than you, then it would be "Brilliant slender woman walking with horse".

          Well, I was just targeting the crooked rib. There's a crooked bone joke in there, but it's not really an insult, more of a compliment, really.

          Additionally, I actually wouldn't want to insult Theresa anyway. Way too nice of a person (and can probably kick my ass as I assume she has Farm Strength).
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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Well, I was just targeting the crooked rib. There's a crooked bone joke in there, but it's not really an insult, more of a compliment, really.

            Additionally, I actually wouldn't want to insult Theresa anyway. Way too nice of a person (and can probably kick my ass as I assume she has Farm Strength).
            And she could probably verbally slice you and Claude up, if she wanted to.

            So, I think that'll be Ms. Brilliant Khemosabi for both of you from now on.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Well, I was just targeting the crooked rib. There's a crooked bone joke in there, but it's not really an insult, more of a compliment, really.

            Additionally, I actually wouldn't want to insult Theresa anyway. Way too nice of a person (and can probably kick my ass as I assume she has Farm Strength).
            To arrive at the list of women who can kick your ass, just take a list of every living woman...and that's it. You're done.
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      Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

      With that above description, I'd bet that most here are thinking I look a lot like an ogre.
      Theresa, you're far too nice a person to ever remotely resemble an ogre!!

      I will say I've never heard anyone say they have a crooked rib. Bet you get ribbed a lot for that!

      (Sorry, I just had to go there!)
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        Theresa, you're far too nice a person to ever remotely resemble an ogre!!

        I will say I've never heard anyone say they have a crooked rib. Bet you get ribbed a lot for that!

        (Sorry, I just had to go there!)
        I can't believe I didn't think of that...and I never saw it coming.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I can't believe I didn't think of that...and I never saw it coming.
          I couldn't believe you, Ms. Riffle, and a few others who posted before me completely missed the opportunity. Talk about low hanging fruit!!
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            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            I couldn't believe you, Ms. Riffle, and a few others who posted before me completely missed the opportunity. Talk about low hanging fruit!!
            I was just holding the door open for you, M'am.
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            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            I couldn't believe you, Ms. Riffle, and a few others who posted before me completely missed the opportunity. Talk about low hanging fruit!!
            How low my fruit hangs, is none of your business, young lady.
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              How low my fruit hangs, is none of your business, young lady.
              I can't believe you haven't caught on to the "Ms. Riffle" in her post!
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              How low my fruit hangs, is none of your business, young lady.
              Hence the platform shoes
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I just wish these revelations came earlier in life.
        "Youth is wasted on the young."
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        And people are judged by how they look.
        How else do you choose which book to read?
        The cover does give some indication of what is inside?


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        But.....pointing out inaccuracies in body image isn't a profitable pursuit. I can't think of a single time, where it would be to your benefit to laugh at another person's looks.
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          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          "Youth is wasted on the young."
          --George Bernard Shaw




          How else do you choose which book to read?
          The cover does give some indication of what is inside?




          Clowns?
          Clowns are creepy.
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          • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
            I judge people by how they treat me and how they act, not by their looks -
            so I don't care if they're skinny or fat, if they are good people, I want to know them.

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

          How else do you choose which book to read?
          The cover does give some indication of what is inside?

          Absolutely. The cover makes you either interested..or not interested in finding out more.

          I've dated a few beautiful women in my day...a couple were as beautiful inside as they were outside. a couple were stereotypically self centered and unkind. Looks may get you in the door. But after a very short time, the kind of person you are, is what people see.

          First impressions are more than looks. Attitude, posture, friendliness, courtesy, kindness (to others), can make an ordinary looking person very attractive.

          This should give Riffle hope.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The problem with calling someone "skinny" is that there are a lot of reasons for people to be skinny and you don't know which nerve you're going to hit.

    Thin can be very athletic and healthy. Too thin can be illness or starvation.

    Exactly how would it make you feel if you could only afford to eat once a day and someone came by and said "eat a cheeseburger"? How would you feel if you are battling something like cancer and there was someone always there to remind you of how shabby the illness is making you look?

    Fat is usually a personal choice. I know it's hell for some people to lose weight, but they can do it if they actually do what it takes to do so. For people who are underweight, it's not always a choice. That's when it becomes offensive to be told all about how skinny you are.

    When I moved into the place I'm at now, I was ill. I had stress that was bringing me to
    my knees and I had just lost my best friend in the world. My job was putting me through more physically than I could handle. I was not thin. I was skinny. I looked as bad as I felt. My roomie is almost as wide as she is tall. She's obese because she sits on her ass 24/7 and eats nothing that resembles a healthy diet. She was on me every day about how bad I looked until I finally turned around and asked her "um........have you looked in a mirror lately"? Well that shut her up fairly well. Now my weight is almost normal again and she runs around making excuses for her weight even though I've only once said anything to her and that was to get her off my back because I didn't need to hear that I looked like crap everyday while I was trying to achieve a positive attitude about getting healthyand getting my excrement coagulated again.

    Really - before you say anything to anyone about their appearance, stop and ask yourself why you want to say it - and if it's really your business to say it before you do. Unless they're a special friend or family that you can play like that with without anyone taking it badly, you shouldn't be saying anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Some bodywork is ego and pride, Steve - but they still hang in groups. Who else would be interested enough in all the daily ins and outs of the exercises, diet tips, or just going and spending hours together doing it? Serious. Body building takes a lot of work and that takes a high interest factor. It's always nice to be around people interested in the same things you are. When the interests show on a physical level - you can get some pretty attractive groups going on.

    Of course - jobs - if someone isn't qualified for a job they aren't going to walk in, flash their pearly whites and end up employed. When there are several equally qualified candidates, though, the most attractive will often most likely land the position.

    Also agreed - when someone is actually single and looking at others as possible date material..........anyone would be stupid to think that they aren't going to go after the ones who are most attractive to them first. Later they may find the person isn't mentally who they want to be with. Sometimes people fall for people just because of who they are and not what they look like, but you have to know the person before that happens. When just out trolling for dating material, looks are going to take a precedence in who you decide to approach to talk to.

    It's really nice that everyone has a different opinion of what gorgeous is, too, though. I've known guys that thought I was a goddess - and I've known some that think I stand on two legs only to try to pass as human. While there is always a cultural standard of beauty, there's also individual tastes that go against the norm. There's also that factor mentioned before that when someone knows you and likes who you are, you always seem to look a little more attractive to them.

    Would it surprise you to know that a lot of times that I've been viewed as being "hot" to men was when I was just coming back from the gem fields and am absolutely covered with dirt? LOL. That's the "wow, she's an adventure hound" factor - what I was saying in a previous post about people gravitating to people that they think will be fun to be around. I have a really fun story about that but some other time. People have probably had enough of my stories for the week.
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    I like skinny people because they consume less. My beef with fat people is because I know they eat far more than their fair share. Sorry if that sounds judgmental, but come on...it's not your thyroid.

    I feel the same way about people who are fitness freaks and jacked up...I know they eat way too much too.

    And to answer the question, I used to be really skinny and kids made fun of me in high school for it. So I know what it's like to get crap for that BS.
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      Originally Posted by Roth View Post

      I like skinny people because they consume less. My beef with fat people is because I know they eat far more than their fair share. Sorry if that sounds judgmental, but come on...it's not your thyroid.

      I feel the same way about people who are fitness freaks and jacked up...I know they eat way too much too.

      And to answer the question, I used to be really skinny and kids made fun of me in high school for it. So I know what it's like to get crap for that BS.
      I can already tell that you're going to be entertaining. May I introduce you to WalkingCarpet?

      Fair share? This isn't an apocalyptic world, where food is rationed. We pay for our food.

      My fair share is whatever I'm willing to pay for.

      So there!

      I hope I didn't offend you. If I did, and you want to beat me up, you'll have to go through Dan Riffle first.
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        viewers saw "none of the relationships, (and) none of the bonds that I build with my clients."
        In other words, Jillian Michaels didn't like the way SHE was shown in the show. She's come and gone from it a couple times - different reasons each time.

        I don't watch the show usually - but did catch it when the Rachel thing happened. Honestly, I don't think being too thin is any worse for you than being too fat so that may be why I rather admired Rachel for going the extra few pounds to ensure a win.

        I have noticed no one of average weight has ever told me I'm too thin - even times when I have been. It's always heavier people who urge me to gain weight - but I don't urge them to lose weight...
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          In other words, Jillian Michaels didn't like the way SHE was shown in the show. She's come and gone from it a couple times - different reasons each time.

          I don't watch the show usually - but did catch it when the Rachel thing happened. Honestly, I don't think being too thin is any worse for you than being too fat so that may be why I rather admired Rachel for going the extra few pounds to ensure a win.

          I have noticed no one of average weight has ever told me I'm too thin - even times when I have been. It's always heavier people who urge me to gain weight - but I don't urge them to lose weight...
          When I first joined the military, I weighted 117 lbs.

          My problem is not with whether people weight too much, or too little in real life itself....my problem is with reality shows that push people over the edge (ie bullemia and or anorexia), and TBL has done that a few times too many.

          And I do believe the last season (including how it ended) was the final straw for Jillian....and I hope she sticks with it this time.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            She'll stick with it if it suits HER - she's ok but I'm not a big fan of the tough love but I'm a sweetheart method. I think Jillian is about Jillian much of the time.

            I've never had to deal with weight so it's easy for me to talk - but people choose to participate in these shows and I do not believe those who lose weight are worse off than they were at 300-400 lbs. Some of them will have problems no matter what weight they are in the beginning or the end.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Roth View Post

      I like skinny people because they consume less. My beef with fat people is because I know they eat far more than their fair share. Sorry if that sounds judgmental, but come on...it's not your thyroid.

      I feel the same way about people who are fitness freaks and jacked up...I know they eat way too much too.

      And to answer the question, I used to be really skinny and kids made fun of me in high school for it. So I know what it's like to get crap for that BS.
      You can start hating me any time you want. I am thin and eat more than most 6 foot tall, 200 lb men do. I just eat the right stuff and keep my metabolism turned to "high". So hate away. Just don't get cocky and be too loud about it. I love a good tussle.

      *wondering if Claude would consider this "in the face"*
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        You can start hating me any time you want.
        Sal; First, I want to thank you for thinking of others. This sounds like a great opportunity.

        Now, is this offer to hate you, only good for a limited time? Are there qualifications? An exam?

        When we hate you, are there requirements? Do we have to post about it? ("Why I hate Sal")...or is it more just something we do on our own?

        Is it OK to hate other people at the same time, or is this a monogamous relationship?

        Because I hate Riffle. So I was wondering if you would be open to the three of us hating each other? I could contact Riffle's people (or his gerbil), and get their feedback on the idea.

        And, philosophically, If I hate three other people too...does that dilute the hatred I feel for you and Riffle? I'm making a list.


        I'm kidding....as far as you know.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Because I hate Riffle.
          We know....



          BBBWWWAAAAHHHAHHHAHAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAA....

          I think I just Splorfed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by Roth View Post

      I like skinny people because they consume less. My beef with fat people is because I know they eat far more than their fair share.
      You'd probably be surprised to find just how inaccurate your assumptions are in many cases. Weight loss and gain are due to many complex factors, not just "calories in / calories out". Metabolism rate, the degree of insulin resistance / sensitivity, types of food consumed, stress, hormonal issues, food intolerances, gut problems, and a whole host of other things come into play.

      There are skinny people who eat like a horse and can't gain a pound, and overweight to obese people who are doing everything "right" (at least according to outdated conventional wisdom) in terms of diet and exercise, yet find it difficult to lose weight (until the underlying problems mentioned above are addressed).
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by Roth View Post

      I like skinny people because they consume less. My beef with fat people is because I know they eat far more than their fair share. Sorry if that sounds judgmental, but come on...it's not your thyroid.
      I like the way you managed to get beef into your comment about fat people.

      The trouble is your comment assumes all skinny people eat little, which isn't even nearly accurate and that all fat people eat too much, which isn't accurate either and not all men that pump iron necessarily eat any more than people that just exercise regularly.

      So all in all you're looking at it from one little angle.

      The main thing is you can put 'Expert' under your username and hey presto, it is so.
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    Yeah my mama she told me don't worry about size... coming from this talented woman....

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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    Since I have tons of hair and perfect in everyway I feel I am God. Therefore I must look down upon the commoners and make fun of their inadequacies. Yes I must.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Since I have tons of hair and perfect in everyway I feel I am God. Therefore I must look down upon the commoners and make fun of their inadequacies. Yes I must.

      We know...


      I was first! I called it! I win....so there, losers.

      By the way, probably your best post. Your contempt for others is very Whitacresque.
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      • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        We know...


        I was first! I called it! I win....so there, losers.

        By the way, probably your best post. Your contempt for others is very Whitacresque.
        The Bald Truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Since I have tons of hair and perfect in everyway I feel I am God. Therefore I must look down upon the commoners and make fun of their inadequacies. Yes I must.
      I think you are just projecting a hard, provocative persona for the sake of amusement. Ours and yours, you lampoon yourself as well.

      But here's the giveaway to your deception. You can spell inadequacies.

      Mr Phd.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        I think you are just projecting a hard, provocative persona for the sake of amusement. Ours and yours, you lampoon yourself as well.

        But here's the giveaway to your deception. You can spell inadequacies.

        Mr Phd.
        Spell check on? Check.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          Spell check on? Check.
          For some reason I don't have emoticons, the ability to post pictures, a signature, spellcheck, nothing really? I can put in a you-tube vid, that's about it?
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          • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            For some reason I don't have emoticons, the ability to post pictures, a signature, spellcheck, nothing really? I can put in a you-tube vid, that's about it?
            I was just messing with you.

            Spell check works intermittently for me. Emoticon link to the code at the
            bottom left of the page - I don't know if you have to get them turned on,
            for you or through your control panel. I think signature can be done
            through control panel. May depend when you joined and the free and paid
            offerings at that time.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Since I have tons of hair and perfect in everyway I feel I am God. Therefore I must look down upon the commoners and make fun of their inadequacies. Yes I must.
      Wouldn't a deity have a medallion, rather than just an
      empty chain that makes it look like you're wearing
      a leotard?

      And looking down on people? I suppose your reason makes sense.
      But normally, when I see people with their noses in the air,
      I just assume their feet must stink?

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