Is Life Really Just A Crap Shoot?

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Just heard an infuriating news story.

A 13 year old boy and a bunch of other kids were at a hotel for some soccer event. In the room next door some jackass takes out a gun and fires it. The bullet goes through the wall and kills the 13 year old kid.

What are the odds? That could have easily have been me on one of my field trips when i was in school as a kid.

Forget what I wish on this jackass. But I hear things like this and I can't help thinking that life is nothing but a crap shoot. That it doesn't matter what you do or don't do. That somewhere out there, some "event" is waiting for you that you have no control over that could drastically alter the course of your life and even end it.

This boy did nothing wrong. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and now he's dead.

13 years old.

It's pointless and senseless.

I'd say more but I honestly don't know what else to say.
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    Is Life Really Just A Crap Shoot?
    To some extent, I think.

    It's also easy to lose sight of the fact that tragedies of this kind (in contrast to "tragedies" in general, of course, which are very common) are very rare, and that we tend to hear about them because the fact that they're so rare predicates that they're widely reported, when they do arise.

    Or something like that, anyway (I may be overstating it slightly ).

    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    It's pointless and senseless.
    Nobody's going to argue with that.

    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    What are the odds?
    Well, they're astronomical, aren't they? But this is, in one sense, part of "the point", with things like this?

    For that kid, anyway, life was a sho(o)t ... and a particularly "crap" one. There are huge numbers of 13-year-olds dying all over the place, through various misfortunes entirely outside their own control. This one just came to our attention because of that "what are the odds?" factor.

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Or it could be that the Jackass, had to shoot the kid in order to learn a lesson, they both agreed to previously?

      Or it is a pointless act, if you don't believe in all the new age stuff?


      Either way l am glad l live in AU, we only have knives over here!


      It seems that every American has the right to bear arms, but a clause should be in place not allowing idiots to have one!

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      • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Or it could be that the Jackass, had to shoot the kid in order to learn a lesson, they both agreed to previously?

        Or it is a pointless act, if you don't believe in all the new age stuff?

        Either way l am glad l live in AU, we only have knives over here!

        It seems that every American has the right to bear arms, but a clause should be in place not allowing idiots to have one!
        I am also glad I live downunder.
        If idiots couldn't have guns then nobody would, except for law enforcement and then sometimes I question that.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

          I am also glad I live downunder.
          If idiots couldn't have guns then nobody would, except for law enforcement and then sometimes I question that.
          True, but in Isreal it is far worse, a 10 year old kid gets a semi-automatic machine gun for his birthday!

          I shudder to think how bad their mortality rate is over there, not including war of course!

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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            I shudder to think how bad their mortality rate is over there, not including war of course!
            It's all "including war", there: even the "non-war" situations there (and most of people's "everyday lives") are situations that have evolved because they've had to be permanently ready for war since the day the country was born.

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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by HN View Post

            That's redundant. It's equal to no arms allowed for anyone to bear.
            Yes, but if someone in AU, went at me with a large carving knife, a gun would come in handy!

            This brings the fatal shooting of a nutter that got into an argument with an officer at the Parliament house steps.

            He threatened him with a steak knife, (if l remember correctly) got into a scuffle, got his gun and shop himself.


            Or to make a long story short, he shot the officer and went into a nearby park to shoot himself.


            Relatively easy to get a Police gun then go feral.

            Smiley stealing, eh, where is my butter knife???
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      • Profile picture of the author HN
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        It seems that every American has the right to bear arms, but a clause should be in place not allowing idiots to have one!
        That's redundant. It's equal to no arms allowed for anyone to bear.
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    Yep that's why I hate America. Too many loons with guns.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Yep that's why I hate America. Too many loons with guns.
      Huh! I never knew you hated America and with me being an American and all, I think you just said you hate me.

      That being said, I have never been to Sri Lanka and can only assess my feeling for that country by the only person I've encountered from there. Therefore, I conclude that Sri Lanka has their own fair share of loons as well.


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      • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        Huh! I never knew you hated America and with me being an American and all, I think you just said you hate me.

        That being said, I have never been to Sri Lanka and can only assess my feeling for that country by the only person I've encountered from there. Therefore, I conclude that Sri Lanka has their own fair share of loons as well.


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        Yep lots of loons here as well, myself included.
        Couple of years back I spent a month in a mental asylum, I kid you not.
        Difference is loons here have no easy access to guns.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    Just heard an infuriating news story.

    A 13 year old boy and a bunch of other kids were at a hotel for some soccer event. In the room next door some jackass takes out a gun and fires it. The bullet goes through the wall and kills the 13 year old kid.

    What are the odds? That could have easily have been me on one of my field trips when i was in school as a kid.

    Forget what I wish on this jackass. But I hear things like this and I can't help thinking that life is nothing but a crap shoot. That it doesn't matter what you do or don't do. That somewhere out there, some "event" is waiting for you that you have no control over that could drastically alter the course of your life and even end it.

    This boy did nothing wrong. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and now he's dead.

    13 years old.

    It's pointless and senseless.

    I'd say more but I honestly don't know what else to say.
    Unfortunately its a case of wrong place wrong time - America circa 2014.

    We have our freedom to own guns along with a large population that has lots of immature and unbalanced people.

    These things are bound to happen but the number of these tragic occurrences could probably be minimized or cut in half with a very public education series.
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    • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      We have our freedom to own guns along with a large population that has lots of immature and unbalanced people.

      These things are bound to happen but the number of these tragic occurrences could probably be minimized or cut in half with a very public education series.
      Although I don't know the specifics of what you're thinking here, I do agree with the idea. I would have no problems with ongoing gun safety and education classes in school, for one example.

      The biggest problem I see would be keeping the "immature and unbalanced people" who generally dominate the discussion on both sides from infecting such a program.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

        Although I don't know the specifics of what you're thinking here, I do agree with the idea. I would have no problems with ongoing gun safety and education classes in school, for one example.

        The biggest problem I see would be keeping the "immature and unbalanced people" who generally dominate the discussion on both sides from infecting such a program.

        The immature and unbalanced people I speak of are people who would do something stupid and unsafe with a gun - like that person that shot through the wall and killed that boy and people who have mental problems - the unbalanced.

        There are a lot of them in this country - and all I'm saying is an ongoing public safety campaign would probably cut down on the number of incidences - especially from the future immature who would do something stupid with a gun.

        I'm not sure what can be done about the mentally unbalanced because lots of them don't surface until they do something crazy.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          The immature and unbalanced people I speak of are people who would do something stupid and unsafe with a gun - like that person that shot through the wall and killed that boy and people who have mental problems - the unbalanced.

          There are a lot of them in this country - and all I'm saying is an ongoing public safety campaign would probably cut down on the number of incidences - especially from the future immature who would do something stupid with a gun.

          I'm not sure what can be done about the mentally unbalanced because lots of them don't surface until they do something crazy.
          That guy might not have been "immature" or unbalanced though. He was likely simply CARELESS! He should have pointed the gun as far away from anyone as possible. and checked the chamber, with his finger off the trigger. That is true EVEN if you think it is unloaded, and there is no magazine. And you shouldn't pull the trigger, or point towards a person, unless you are panning to shoot. Like I said though, such carelessness elsewhere is JUST as bad, and could be even WORSE!

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          • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            That guy might not have been "immature" or unbalanced though. He was likely simply CARELESS!
            Upon further reading, it seems like the system and more than a few judges were careless here. This POS should have never been allowed back on the streets. He was released from jail again less than a month ago. All the signs were there. It was just a matter of time before he killed someone.

            His criminal history dates back decades and includes convictions for hit-and-run, simple assault, communicating threats, assault on a female, domestic criminal trespassing and felony breaking-and-entering.

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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

              Upon further reading, it seems like the system and more than a few judges were careless here. This POS should have never been allowed back on the streets. He was released from jail again less than a month ago. All the signs were there. It was just a matter of time before he killed someone.
              They knew that. There's a lot of crap being stirred up specifically to give our gov a reason to take over. That's why our police force is being militarized. We're in transition. Everything coming down in this country is historically predictable. Nothing new here but the drugs.
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        • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          The immature and unbalanced people I speak of are people who would do something stupid and unsafe with a gun
          I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that "stupid and unsafe" and "immature and unbalanced" quite often extends well beyond just the person holding the gun.

          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          all I'm saying is an ongoing public safety campaign would probably cut down on the number of incidences
          What are your ideas?
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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

            I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that "stupid and unsafe" and "immature and unbalanced" quite often extends well beyond just the person holding the gun.


            What are your ideas?
            An ongoing public safety campaign with a bunch of celebs for example may cut down on the number of incidents of careless tragedies.

            And once again I'm not sure how to cut down on the numbers of crazy incidents since a lot of them show up out of nowhere and there are also issues of privacy with this group.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    But I hear things like this and I can't help thinking that life is nothing but a crap shoot. That it doesn't matter what you do or don't do. That somewhere out there, some "event" is waiting for you that you have no control over that could drastically alter the course of your life and even end it.
    In other words, "When it's your time, it's your time?"

    That's nonsense. What we do in life dramatically changes what happens to us. Accidents happen, people get shot by random bullets, lightning strikes. But it's very very very rare. And that's not the way to live, in fear of extremely unlikely events.

    You may not be able to control every random event around you. But you have near total control over what you do in life......and that controls what happens to you.

    Suck it up.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      In other words, "When it's your time, it's your time?"

      That's nonsense.
      My wifes sister's hubbie died a year ago in a motorcycle accident. He was 29 and had been drinking with the motorcycle gang he had joined a month earlier at a watering hole. He was speeding very excessively and racing a fellow gang member and lost control at an Exit. He ran into the Exit sign . His body was mangled horribly and died on the scene/

      My mother in law and her sister concluded and still do that everyone has an Expiration date And that is God's plan. So Edward's time and Expiration date had come up and it was his time to go by God's decision
      ( according to them)

      I just rolled my eyes and told my wife that it was not an Expiration date that killed Edward rather it was his own free will and recklessness that did it.



      P.S. Edward came from a totally different background than me. Total opposites. He was hispanic and very poor and uneducated. I was the typical upper middle class straight laced 'white boy' But me and him somehow and someway made a real sincere connection. It was pretty cool
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, there are MORONS everywhere! Every company, every profession. Cop cars, LOADED with weapons have been just STOLEN! Many cops are CARELESS, or anxious. AND, at the end of the spectrum, is that cop a few years ago that issued a threat against EVERY uniformed or recognizable cop around LA California, or that he happened to see! REMEMBER HIM?

    Christopher Dorner shootings and manhunt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And then I could say the same about the US military! Remember the US military officer that threatened a military base?

    2009 Fort Hood shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And do I REALLY have to talk about postal workers that have gone on the rampage? This has been SOOOOOOOOO INCREDIBLY common that if someone starts killing people in the line of civilian duty at a workplace, it is called (to foreigners, I am NOT KIDDING) GOING POSTAL!

    Going postal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    OK, I made some WILD claims, and backed them up with links, and I COULD include many more about different events, etc... But know that this is FAR from rare!

    The 2nd amendment is to try to make things more equal so such things are more limited. And it often works, even on a relatively large scale, where dozens or hundreds are saved by ONE person, but it works on a smaller scale perhaps every day, and maybe even every HOUR!

    I have spoken about how nurses are careless, and some people can be IDIOTS! They really shouldn't even allow such people in the US. I mean schools should be better, and if someone can't understand common sense, something should be done. But the whole WORLD seems to be going the other way.

    So someone shoots a gun without any care as to who it might hit. They will use fire, and even microwaves, and poison the air, or blow up someone elses home. YEAH, I said BLOW UP! It has happened with fireworks, flammable items, like gas, high pressure tanks, making drugs, etc.. and I didn't even mention explosive manufacture. HECK, someone HERE might have a volatile component dangerously close to a water heater. IF SO, it COULD start a huge fire, or even blow the place up.

    SO, is life a crap shoot? ******OF COURSE******! HECK, we are STILL having debates about the "ACA". And what is THAT? SUPPOSEDLY it is a bet AGAINST extreme damage to peoples lives! If few had such a problem, would ACA exist? NOPE! If people had minor problems, like a cut shaving, would it exist? NOPE!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    There have been a LOT of "public safety campaign"s they often don't work well.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Ah jeez - we go from a life is uncertain premise to gun control? Come on, people.

    We have social unrest because we are in a socialist transition. Right now it's both dangerous to have guns and not to have them. At least nobody can just walk in and slaughter us by the millions without a fight, as happens and has historically happened in countries where populations are defenseless against armies.

    To get back to Steve's original thesis here..........

    Life has always been a crap shoot, Steve. Go out in the wilderness some time. There's animals, storms, things falling, falling off of things. This is a dangerous planet. It used to get us back in CO when every now and again a rock would fall off a cliff ledge and go through someone's windshield and kill them. There's another woman that was driving in WA and a wind came up and blew her over a ledge.

    There's people that have fallen through ice, had trees fall on them, struck by lightning, electrocuted in homes, caught their homes on fire, killed by animals, eaten a poisonous plant, caught a rare illness, choked to death on their food.

    Life IS a crap shoot. Whoever thinks this planet can be made safe is kinda out of touch. That's part of the game, Steve. We see how long we can survive on this berg and see how much happiness we can have and how much difference we can make to others playing the same game.

    Then we, at the end, cross the divide and find out our score and exactly what the punchline to this whole thing is (damned well better have a punchline anyhow, 'cause it ain't funny right now).
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Life IS a crap shoot. Whoever thinks this planet can be made safe is kinda out of touch. That's part of the game, Steve. We see how long we can survive on this berg and see how much happiness we can have and how much difference we can make to others playing the same game.

      Then we, at the end, cross the divide and find out our score and exactly what the punchline to this whole thing is (damned well better have a punchline anyhow, 'cause it ain't funny right now).
      Really excellent post, Sal - especially the last two paragraphs!!
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Fun fact.. Monkeys did not fling their poo, until after "Bobo The Amazing" watched the Riffle Video.....

        One monkey was quoted as saying "If that's what humans do.....we'll copy it..but it it looks pretty stupid to me".

        Riffle videos started the monkeys flinging poo, and the reason we pull old men's fingers.

        What a guy.
        You are partially correct Claude, they played the video in front of 100 monkeys on a remote island!

        You know what they say, 100 monkeys do something strange and all the monkeys on the mainland pick up on it!

        And before you know it, a slinging match of worldwide proportions happens!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    SORRY, it started out with a person shooting a gun, morphed into gun control, and I killed two birds with one stone. But YEAH, it has ALWAYS been a "crap shoot", and I alluded to that with the ACA!

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      The immature and unbalanced people I speak of are people who would do something stupid and unsafe with a gun - like that person that shot through the wall and killed that boy and people who have mental problems - the unbalanced.

      There are a lot of them in this country - and all I'm saying is an ongoing public safety campaign would probably cut down on the number of incidences - especially from the future immature who would do something stupid with a gun.

      I'm not sure what can be done about the mentally unbalanced because lots of them don't surface until they do something crazy.
      Maybe they need to increase the Fluoride in drinking water?

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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Is Life Really Just A Crap Shoot?
        Well, not unless you shoot crap so it probably is for monkey's. I hear they can shoot crap through the air with great accuracy.


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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          Well, not unless you shoot crap so it probably is for monkey's. I hear they can shoot crap through the air with great accuracy.


          Terra
          Fun fact.. Monkeys did not fling their poo, until after "Bobo The Amazing" watched the Riffle Video.....

          One monkey was quoted as saying "If that's what humans do.....we'll copy it..but it it looks pretty stupid to me".

          Riffle videos started the monkeys flinging poo, and the reason we pull old men's fingers.

          What a guy.
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          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          Well, not unless you shoot crap so it probably is for monkey's. I hear they can shoot crap through the air with great accuracy.


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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by SteveSilver View Post

      DO NOT FORGET ABOUT THE LAW OF ATTRACTION!
      Yes you are right. When someone gets hit by a projectile it's solely because they were attracting it. Especially when it's a whole group of people getting hit by one massive projectile that takes all of them out - including babies. Those babies had no business attracting that kind of projectile. None.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Well, actually Steve ... no, it's not just a crap shoot. One thing is certain. We are all going to die sooner or later. This incident with the 13 year old .. how often do you hear about that happening? Not much, and the chances of a bullet coming through the next hotel room that you are in are slim. But something will get you in the long or short run.

    Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

    I am also glad I live downunder.
    If idiots couldn't have guns then nobody would, except for law enforcement and then sometimes I question that.
    That's not even close to the truth. There are many people who have guns for hunting and sport and self protection that are not idiots. Guns put meat in our freezer my whole childhood and still do to this day.
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    There is a randomness to life, sometimes for worse, sometimes for better. I guess that's why we have to try to enjoy each day as much as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Yes, life is a crap shoot, and we're all winners. Between multiple potential mates, each with potential combinations of "billions and billions" of eggs and sperm, and only one resulting in you, we've all beaten the odds just by being alive.
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