Do you have friends? I have no social life.

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Do you have friends and a girlfriend/boyfriend? I always work at home while doing IM, and it is impossible for me to get new friends and a gf because I have no place to go to, in real life. I feel like I am so alone, internet marketing is a lonely job. What should I do? How do you get to know new people when you are an internet marketer?

(PS, I am also a socially anxious person, got help from therapists but it doesn't work, so it is more harder for me to get a social life, if I got some confidence then it would be easier, but in this thread my actual question isn't how to get confidence. My question is: How is it even possible to get new friends and a social life when you always work on PC?).
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    Did you hear a thing about "online dating"?
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    • Profile picture of the author residentevil
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      Did you hear a thing about "online dating"?
      Yes but it won't work in my country.
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        Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

        Yes but it won't work in my country.
        Why not? Does Facebook not available in your country?
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        After moving a few times to different parts of the country I got a bit isolated as well.

        My solution: I moved to Thailand

        I don't make friends that easily but found a partner here (really not hard to find, finding a good partner very hard though ), which has a lot of friends around here so that made it quite easy.

        Probably you're a bit lazy same like me, so I don't see you joining some sports club like most would recommend, and maybe you're a bit shy to go to a bar on your own but there are also bars where you can eat. I wasn't going there to find friends, purely cause I was hungry but when I went there regularly and ate at the bar I automatically got to know new people.

        Not talking about restaurants btw, but those semi-bar / semi-restaurant type of things, I bet you have them everywhere so perhaps that's a good starting point for you as well if you don't want to move to Thailand

        You can also apply for volunteers work and get to know new people that way.

        Or buy a cute strange pet, like a Prairie dog, yeah my bf wants one, I'm sure it will draw a lot of attention when you walk outside with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

        Yes but it won't work in my country.
        Sri Lanka by chance?
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  • Profile picture of the author NRabosa
    Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

    Do you have friends and a girlfriend/boyfriend? I always work at home while doing IM, and it is impossible for me to get new friends and a gf because I have no place to go to, in real life. I feel like I am so alone, internet marketing is a lonely job. What should I do? How do you get to know new people when you are an internet marketer?

    (PS, I am also a socially anxious person, got help from therapists but it doesn't work, so it is more harder for me to get a social life, if I got some confidence then it would be easier, but in this thread my actual question isn't how to get confidence. My question is: How is it even possible to get new friends and a social life when you always work on PC?).
    You should enter chatrooms and such. Install Camfrog on your computer.
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    • Profile picture of the author ptcrefko
      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      Sounds like a personal problem...

      Until you find the answer, get a few blow up dolls and have them sit around you while you work. Appoint one as your girlfriend, the rest will just be your new friends.
      Another BS comment. He is suffering from social anxiety disorder, and that condition is more serious than you ever thought.

      To the OP I advice you to go to forums or chatrooms dedicated for those who had social anxiety disorder, not here.
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      • Profile picture of the author residentevil
        Originally Posted by ptcrefko View Post

        Another BS comment. He is suffering from social anxiety disorder, and that condition is more serious than you ever thought.

        To the OP I advice you to go to forums or chatrooms dedicated for those who had social anxiety disorder, not here.
        I got a membership on an SA forum, but this time I need to talk about it on an internet marketing forum as an internet marketer.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

          I got a membership on an SA forum, but this time I need to talk about it on an internet marketing forum as an internet marketer.
          May I just point out an observation?

          You have an SA issue. You have joined an SA forum but want to talk about an SA problem on an IM forum as an IMer.

          So, if I wanted to solve an IM problem, do you think it'd help to talk about it on an SA forum?

          No.

          IM isn't the issue, you can take a day off, you can limit the hours you do, you could give it up if it causes so much grief and get a job elsewhere where you can meet people.

          Your problem is the SA issue.

          How is it even possible to get new friends and a social life when you always work on PC?
          It isn't if you don't have an SA problem.

          You need to get help for the SA problem. It is more than possible to get friends and a girlfriend if you work online, it's not necessarily any different to a normal job except you can control your hours.

          Having said that, if you worked online or had a normal job working with lots of people, you probably wouldn't make many friends or get a girlfriend while you have an SA problem.

          I am also a socially anxious person, got help from therapists but it doesn't work
          It does work and there are other things to try, the trouble is you've decided it isn't the SA issue that's the problem, it's because you work online. If you can get past that way of thinking, you'll solve your making friends issue.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            If you want to make a lot of money in IM, and friends on top of it, then it might not be possible.

            I have been online for 6.5 years and counting, and most if not all of my, friends either disappeared or kept their distance.

            If you want online wealth, and don't get there within what other people believe is a reasonable time frame, then expect the rats of a sinking ship syndrome.

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          • Profile picture of the author residentevil
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            May I just point out an observation?

            You have an SA issue. You have joined an SA forum but want to talk about an SA problem on an IM forum as an IMer.

            So, if I wanted to solve an IM problem, do you think it'd help to talk about it on an SA forum?

            No.

            IM isn't the issue, you can take a day off, you can limit the hours you do, you could give it up if it causes so much grief and get a job elsewhere where you can meet people.

            Your problem is the SA issue.



            It isn't if you don't have an SA problem.

            You need to get help for the SA problem. It is more than possible to get friends and a girlfriend if you work online, it's not necessarily any different to a normal job except you can control your hours.

            Having said that, if you worked online or had a normal job working with lots of people, you probably wouldn't make many friends or get a girlfriend while you have an SA problem.



            It does work and there are other things to try, the trouble is you've decided it isn't the SA issue that's the problem, it's because you work online. If you can get past that way of thinking, you'll solve your making friends issue.
            Man, thank you for trying to help me but.. I created this thread on an IM forum because IM is the issue for me because I don't have any other place to go.. My social anxiety is not that severe, I can manage it and I am not that bad on one-on-one conversations, my fears are generally in public related issues, like public speaking etc.

            I can't talk in a group, it is difficult but talking with a girl or eye contact with her etc. won't be a big deal for me. But I just need to some solid advice, how can I get to know new people, I really don't know. I can not get to know new random girls in the street since I am not vitaly. I don't have a job in real life, I couldn't go to college too because of my public related issues which is coming from my SA. So what can I do.. Home and random places like cafes, malls, streets are my only places.
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            • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
              Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

              Man, thank you for trying to help me but.. I created this thread on an IM forum because IM is the issue for me because I don't have any other place to go.. My social anxiety is not that severe, I can manage it and I am not that bad on one-on-one conversations, my fears are generally in public related issues, like public speaking etc.

              I can't talk in a group, it is difficult but talking with a girl or eye contact with her etc. won't be a big deal for me. But I just need to some solid advice, how can I get to know new people, I really don't know. I can not get to know new random girls in the street since I am not vitaly. I don't have a job in real life, I couldn't go to college too because of my public related issues which is coming from my SA. So what can I do.. Home and random places like cafes, malls, streets are my only places.
              Ok, well at least the SA isn't too serious but I'd still recommend doing the therapy, they're long term things not quick fixes.

              You say IM is the problem for you and you don't have any other place to go. Fair enough. IM is keeping you at home while you work. I work in an office, I don't meet girls there either, I'm at work.

              Why don't you take an hour off each day, say early on a Monday, bit later Tuesday, lunchtime Wednesday until you get to Friday. Make a list of places you do feel comfortable being in, like the mall, café's and streets. Do something different each day. Go for long walks, stop by cafes and try and talk to people. Say hello to people on the street and in the mall, chat to people in shops when you pay. You may just find over time with practise and persistence that you'll improve your confidence. From there you may decide to visit other places you hadn't before. This will open new doors.

              You won't fix this over night but take your time and you probably will. Don't see IM as the problem though. The problem is you're not actually going out and putting yourself in positions to meet people and then using IM as the reason for it. It's not, the reason you're not going out is due to the SA issue.

              Why not carry on the therapy and take it seriously and make an effort each day to get out, have a walk, have a coffee and try and engage in conversation with people.

              Also you may not think you can just chat to girls in the street but if you walk past one everyday at the bus stop and say hello, after a couple of times, who knows where it'll go? If you have a coffee in a cafe and there's a girl you like there, chat to her.

              The more you get out and meet 'people' and the quicker you go back to therapy, the quicker you'll gain confidence and realise IM isn't the issue. We do IM to be free from the shackles of work where we're forced to be somewhere for x amount of hours a day.

              You have the freedom to meet people, you just need to go out and meet them. You can go online and find people on forums and dating sites but I really think you need to get out and meet people, chat to people, smile at people and get some level of confidence back.

              If you really don't have anywhere to go like shops, mall etc you may need to move somewhere a bit more lively with shops, malls and cafes etc.

              I really hope you get this sorted out.
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    Interact with your customers, make friends with them.
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    glad to see this was moved to the off-topic section...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I have tons of friends from all over. Know how I did that? I put up a website on my favorite hobby in the world that I wanted t make into a bit of a business, too (rock and gem hunting). Then I'd meet up with people that joined and lived close enough that we could meet. Because we had the hobby in common, it was easier to have something to talk about than if we were just strangers meeting - and because we talked a lot in the forums before we met up, we were a little familiar with each other already. so it wasn't quite as awkward as meeting total strangers. I have 2 new people who want to go on a hunt with me as soon as we can get weather to do it.

    So anyway - that's the best advice I've got in my pocket for ya.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dec Mc
    You have got to plan your time more effectively, you got to have some down time mate ! You cant spend all your time working , you got to have leisure time it's very important !
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I'd say get out and do some volunteer work in something that interests you.
    Make the volunteer cause the primary reason and meeting people the secondary
    reason for volunteering. Takes the social pressure off and still gives you practice
    talking to new people.
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    Maybe people are reluctant to warm up to someone that refers to himself using the word evil. Just a thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Not to worry good friend - with the amount of posts you've made to this forum, someone is surely to come along soon with a Great and Powerful Answer - (never mind that affiliate link behind the curtain).
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    Join a Gym and start pumping some heavy iron, and eat like a horse and you will lose all ur anxiety issues and feel like a God, just like me
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    • Profile picture of the author residentevil
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Join a Gym and start pumping some heavy iron, and eat like a horse and you will lose all ur anxiety issues and feel like a God, just like me
      There is a gym near my house, I joined to the gym 3 months ago, but now I stopped going because of my anxiety issues, I am being so nervous before I go..
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      • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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        Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

        There is a gym near my house, I joined to the gym 3 months ago, but now I stopped going because of my anxiety issues, I am being so nervous before I go..
        Eat lots of meat eggs and drink milk, this'll give you more protein. More protein means more testosterone. More test means more backbone. Now go.
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          What does backbone have something to do with my social anxiety issues?
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          • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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            Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

            What does backbone have something to do with my social anxiety issues?
            You are Weak, lacking backbone to stand upto society in general- hence scared to venture outside and live your life. Pumping iron and eating right will fix this, if you keep at it.
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            • Profile picture of the author peterj
              Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

              You are Weak, lacking backbone to stand upto society in general- hence scared to venture outside and live your life. Pumping iron and eating right will fix this, if you keep at it.
              ...... or you can skip all the hard work and get straight onto the steroids.
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              Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

              You are Weak, lacking backbone to stand upto society in general- hence scared to venture outside and live your life. Pumping iron and eating right will fix this, if you keep at it.
              I thought the secret to success was having a big wallet and a big willy.

              BTW, I'm looking forward to the Professor Carpet's new book "How To Win Friends And Influence People With Your Wallet And Your Willy".
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              • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                I thought the secret to success was having a big wallet and a big willy.

                BTW, I'm looking forward to the Professor Carpet's new book "How To Win Friends And Influence People With Your Wallet And Your Willy".
                Obviously he has neither. lol.
                So next best thing.
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          • Profile picture of the author Cali16
            Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

            What does backbone have something to do with my social anxiety issues?
            Actually, there is a lot of research that shows that people who exercise regularly (not necessarily pumping iron) tend to have a higher self-esteem and higher levels of self-confidence.

            As for your social anxiety, one minute you say it's mild and you're managing it, but many of your other posts contradict that. To me, it sounds like that is still your biggest issue - not the fact that you work from home (although does make it harder to meet people).

            One of the proven ways to overcome a phobia (social anxiety is clinically known as "social phobia") is to start facing your fears. Doing this in small, incremental steps works best for most people. I don't have time right now to delineate a list of potential steps to take for social anxiety, but essentially you start with something really small that doesn't cause too much anxiety. Even if it's just for 5 minutes. And then you slowly work your way up to facing more challenging situations.

            Social anxiety is 99% what you tell yourself. For example, "if I go out in public, I might embarrass myself, or say something stupid, or people won't like me...") and so on - negative self talk that just feeds your anxiety. It also makes you hypersensitive to any remotely negative or unfavorable responses from others (whether real or merely perceived).

            You say you've had a lot of therapy - but have you worked with a cognitive behavioral therapist who has done exposure therapy with you (what I suggested above is based on the principles of exposure therapy)?

            You can try to do this on your own - I recommend doing it with a very skilled therapist however. But you have to stick with it either way.

            In the meantime, I agree with the person who suggested doing volunteer work. Do one activity a week that you enjoy that gives you an opportunity to meet people (doesn't have to be something in a crowd - e.g. walking your dog (if you have one) or going to the gym (go when it's slow if lots of people make you nervous).

            Also, get out at least a few times a week (e.g. just going to the coffee shop or grocery store) and make a commitment to say make eye contact with and say hello to at least one person. Anyone. Young, old, homely, attractive, male, female. Doesn't matter. Just smile and say hello. That will get you out more and make it easier over time.

            Don't get me wrong; social anxiety is tough and my heart goes out to you and anyone suffering from it. It often takes a lot of time and hard work to overcome it. But start with baby steps. You'll kill two birds with one stone - make progress with your social anxiety and start meeting people. And in time, someone you meet may become a good friend - or more.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

              You are Weak, lacking backbone to stand upto society in general- hence scared to venture outside and live your life. Pumping iron and eating right will fix this, if you keep at it.
              It may not fix everything, but working out at a gym is a great way to meet people. And being healthy is attractive to others.

              Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

              Actually, there is a lot of research that shows that people who exercise regularly (not necessarily pumping iron) tend to have a higher self-esteem and higher levels of self-confidence.
              Yeah, when I read Professor Carpet's last post, I thought..."That actually does make sense".
              ....which has lowered my self esteem, relatively.
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            • Profile picture of the author residentevil
              Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

              Actually, there is a lot of research that shows that people who exercise regularly (not necessarily pumping iron) tend to have a higher self-esteem and higher levels of self-confidence.

              As for your social anxiety, one minute you say it's mild and you're managing it, but many of your other posts contradict that. To me, it sounds like that is still your biggest issue - not the fact that you work from home (although does make it harder to meet people).

              One of the proven ways to overcome a phobia (social anxiety is clinically known as "social phobia") is to start facing your fears. Doing this in small, incremental steps works best for most people. I don't have time right now to delineate a list of potential steps to take for social anxiety, but essentially you start with something really small that doesn't cause too much anxiety. Even if it's just for 5 minutes. And then you slowly work your way up to facing more challenging situations.

              Social anxiety is 99% what you tell yourself. For example, "if I go out in public, I might embarrass myself, or say something stupid, or people won't like me...) and so on - negative self talk that just feeds your anxiety. It also makes you hypersensitive to any remotely negative or unfavorable responses from others (whether real or merely perceived).

              You say you've had lot of therapy - but have you worked with a cognitive behavioral therapist who has done exposure therapy with you (what I suggested above is based on the principles of exposure therapy)?

              You can try to do this on your own - I recommend doing it with a very skilled therapist however. But you have to stick with it either way.

              In the meantime, I agree with the person who suggested doing volunteer work. Do one activity a week that you enjoy that gives you an opportunity to meet people (doesn't have to be something in a crowd - e.g. walking your dog (if you have one) or going to the gym (go when it's slow if lots of people make you nervous).

              Also, get out at least a few times a week (e.g. just going to the coffee shop or grocery store) and make a commitment to say make eye contact with and say hello to at least one person. Anyone. Young, old, homely, attractive, male, female. Doesn't matter. Just smile and say hello. That will get you out more and make it easier over time.

              Don't get me wrong; social anxiety is tough and my heart goes out to you and anyone suffering from it. It often takes a lot of time and hard work to overcome it. But start with baby steps. You'll kill two birds with one stone - make progress with your social anxiety and start meeting people. And in time, someone you meet may become a good friend - or more.
              Thank you, you really do understand me. You know what social anxiety is, like you had similar problems in the past and you sound like you overcame it.

              My life is so complicated and it is full of contradictions already. I am in a fight with my anxiety issues, I have SA for the last 7 years (before that I was quiet and shy but I wasn't anxious in social situations, I was bullied by many people in my childhood), and I have been struggling with my SA for 2 years. I have tried a lot of things to get rid of it, I have tried medication, I went to a great psychologist. I have faced my fears, I asked random people to name their favorite websites or singers in the streets like I am a pollster (like a survey job), I went to the massage parlor to interact with girls for the first time in my entire life etc etc... I actually have a male friend (he's a good person but a bit strange and sometimes he's being abnormal, I can't figure him out, most of the time he's asking childish and stupid questions, but he is my only friend and I know him for over 10+ years, most of the time he is also quiet and shy) and sometimes we hang out together and go to bars, cafes etc. But we are sitting at there in a silence, it is too boring. Yeah at least I have a friend but my life isn't changing while I'm hanging out with him. I feel like I am just wasting my time and life by keep hanging out with him. I had to contact with him after years, just because I had no other friends because of my social anxiety disorder and I couldn't get to know any other people.

              As you see I have worked hard on my confidence, but today my life is still the same boring life, sometimes I feel normal and sometimes I am very anxious, I have a really unstable life, an unstable psychology. So what would I do if I had no SA? I would probably go to a college first to complete my education and get to know new and interesting people and new girls. So maybe I would get the chance to get my first girlfriend in my life. But I am a panic bomb in front of groups or crowds.
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              • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

                Thank you, you really do understand me. You know what social anxiety is, like you had similar problems in the past and you sound like you overcame it.

                My life is so complicated and it is full of contradictions already. I am in a fight with my anxiety issues, I have SA for the last 7 years (before that I was quiet and shy but I wasn't anxious in social situations, I was bullied by many people in my childhood), and I have been struggling with my SA for 2 years. I have tried a lot of things to get rid of it, I have tried medication, I went to a great psychologist. I have faced my fears, I asked random people to name their favorite websites or singers in the streets like I am a pollster (like a survey job), I went to the massage parlor to interact with girls for the first time in my entire life etc etc... I actually have a male friend (he's a good person but a bit strange and sometimes he's being abnormal, I can't figure him out, most of the time he's asking childish and stupid questions, but he is my only friend and I know him for over 10+ years, most of the time he is also quiet and shy) and sometimes we hang out together and go to bars, cafes etc. But we are sitting at there in a silence, it is too boring. Yeah at least I have a friend but my life isn't changing while I'm hanging out with him. I feel like I am just wasting my time and life by keep hanging out with him. I had to contact with him after years, just because I had no other friends because of my social anxiety disorder and I couldn't get to know any other people.

                As you see I have worked hard on my confidence, but today my life is still the same boring life, sometimes I feel normal and sometimes I am very anxious, I have a really unstable life, an unstable psychology. So what would I do if I had no SA? I would probably go to a college first to complete my education and get to know new and interesting people and new girls. So maybe I would get the chance to get my first girlfriend in my life. But I am a panic bomb in front of groups or crowds.
                I agree with Cali16 about getting a good therapist with a cognitive approach. I think asking strangers
                pollster type questions is a little, gradual exposure to people and socializing, but IMO it's a too much
                of a phony and stressful situation and nothing seems to have been gained. That's why I like the volunteer
                work approach a little better - you're not forced to have trivial interactions and the interactions you do have
                will be more gradual and natural. I think an animal shelter would be a good place to volunteer, or a place
                where you are helping older people with home maintenance or something like that. Start with something
                where you have skills and interest. Maybe helping people become computer literate through the library.

                In a nutshell, to me cognitive behavioral therapy involves - as Cali mentioned - what you tell yourself.
                I should say that it is what you carefully learn to tell yourself. The thought proceeds the deed.

                One of the major things to learn is that kids bully, but mature adults hardly think about you at
                all - certainly not anywhere near as much as you might think they do. Always keep that in mind
                so you don't get all self conscious.

                The other major thing is to learn the right things to tell yourself. There are a lot of pop-pscyh
                and religious and cultural ideas that influence people, but are not always right. One strong
                example involves introversion. Some people are just plain introverted and that's just how it is.
                In US culture, anyway, there seems to be a lot of pressure to be extraverted and some kind
                of social butterfly. Not all of us are extraverted - and it's more important to learn to be comfortable
                in your own skin and with your own thoughts and beliefs. (This is where a good therapist comes
                in - effective education and techniques.)

                A lot of things we learn that "should be" should not be a "should be". Hope that makes sense.

                One thing a lot of SA people do is think that the next attractive person they meet might be their
                next big, huge romance. That type of cognition, type of thinking, is just putting way too much stress
                on the situation, and in one dimension. You need to take a step at a time.

                After you talk to that person, you might find out you don't like them at all. You might find you only
                like them as a friend, or a business partner. You might find out they are married, or going through
                a nasty break up and not at all interested in romance. They might be the person you have a nice
                conversation with and never see again. They might be the person who introduces you to your next
                romance or job or client or friend, or just becomes a friend.

                Take the one dimensional high hopes away and just let things happen and unfold how they are
                supposed to unfold.

                That's all for now.

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      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      Join a Gym and start pumping some heavy iron, and eat like a horse and you will lose all ur anxiety issues and feel like a God, just like me

      Professor Carpet actually eats like a horse. No plates or silverware...just a bag over his mouth. Trust me, it's better that way.
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    Residentevil....do you have a name? We all have our online names, but down here, if you want advice, saying your name, or signing it, will give a more "want to meet new friends", kind of perception.

    That being said. What Cali16 said was spot on. Others gave you great advise as well. You have mentioned the word "girlfriend" more than once. Why? Don't you think that having social interaction without, or at least minimal, anxiety should be your first and foremost goal?

    From a non professional point of view, just someone that spends way too much time at home. I too have a type of anxiety. I consider mine more along the lines of separation anxiety. I really do hate leaving my property. I worry about everything. However, I do it. You have to do it.

    Go, go and see people. Human interaction is something that is tantamount to ... well, humans. Stop focusing on forming a certain type of relationship, just focus on learning what it's like to talk to people and interact with them. You'd be surprised what you'll learn. Don't let the thought of being let down hinder you.

    What I mean by that is this:... You are never going to find 100% of people to your liking, and that's okay. Even someone you dislike will teach you something.

    To sum up your original question, there is a huge world out there. There are so many great people here in the basement, that are just.. well, super people. It's okay to talk to people online as well as going outside. But, you need to take steps beyond asking for help. You need to help yourself.. So, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself?

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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Professor Carpet actually eats like a horse. No plates or silverware...just a bag over his mouth. Trust me, it's better that way.
      Gee, Claude that is a bit cruel, l am sure that the horse trough filled with beer and ice, (out back) has another use?




      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      It may not fix everything, but working out at a gym is a great way to meet people. And being healthy is attractive to others.

      Yeah, when I read Professor Carpet's last post, I thought..."That actually does make sense".
      ....which has lowered my self esteem, relatively.
      Hmmm, l went to a gym for years on end, and didn't really meet anyone.

      Although l tend to do Pilates and some weight resistance workouts at home!

      And did try that power shake thing, but it had little to no affect and tasted pretty horrible. And costed a fortune.

      I used to be friends with another gym junkie, that offered some good advise, and not so good advise.

      But overall l tend to agree with everyone, that it couldn't hurt and will probably help your condition, (you always feel good after a workout).

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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    I can't give you any industry specific advice OP, as I'm not really in the IM niche as much as I just come here because I love marketing, but I have some similar issues to yours. However, I can tell you that you aren't alone. I do have a wife that I love very much and even work with every day, but outside of that we're about as alone as it gets. We're both introverts, were raised in a very isolating religion, and both have narcissistic anti-social families (and probably have our own tendencies that way). I was bullied relentlessly as a kid because we were poor and I was a skinny kid that excelled academically. I too have social anxiety issues stemming from lots of things. I tend to be annoyed by people that we run into in daily life and although I love coming here and on other forums neither of us seems to have any clue how to have friends beyond random arms length interactions. Our clients in our business love us and invite us to do things but we've shied away from that because we're not really sure how to hang out with people. My wife understands people more than I do. I crushed the online Asperger's Quiz and don't see the world the same as a lot of people. I find really intelligent people on forums that I genuinely like, but don't often find them in my daily life. Some of our clients fit the bill, but it isn't something we've broached outside of cleaning homes for those people. We do have some epic conversations though. The people I grew up around were mostly poor and unambitious and just complained about their lot in life. Those aren't the people I want to hang out with. Small minds talk about other people, while large minds talk about ideas. I love the latter, and don't care so much about daily gossip or learning about who did what in the family and such.

    Anyway, all of that to say that I feel your pain. I too hate groups and crowds. I've also realized that I have a lot of codependent control issues because of the way I grew up, not to mention the religious issues that I'm just now realizing at 37 years old really screwed up my ability to socialize. Theoretically the religion should have come with its own built in social construct, but sadly we've proven that we can disappear for years at a time and nobody would care enough to see if we were still alive. If I had a super power, it would be invisibility. Sometimes that's okay though, as I don't like the limelight.

    I guess after writing this that my one piece of advice is to realize that life is a filmstrip, not a snapshot. So, just because things are one way now, that doesn't mean that they won't change. I've grown by leaps and bounds as a person over the past seven years since a big breakthrough in my life, and that has at least opened me up to challenging these things. I do believe that I'll get these social things ironed out to some degree with time, and you will too. It is just harder to learn those things later in life than it is to be taught them growing up where they can be part of the way you form your life.

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  • Profile picture of the author enhu
    Join a meetup maybe there exist a blogger group in your area. grab your camera and join photographers meetup.. it isn't that hard as far as I know. I've been a freelancer and internet marketer for 8 years now and found a partner 3 years ago simply because I reach out.
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    Have you considered the French Foreign Legion ?

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    • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Have you considered the French Foreign Legion ?

      You'll make friends guaranteed
      How did that work for you?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Some thoughts for OP:
      I remember watching the series when it was on TV. I thought it was the greatest thing on TV. I would watch the movements, and try to figure out what they were doing. I would try to memorize some of the dialog, because I thought it was deep.

      I also thought the Chinese Kung Fu movies were showing real Kung fu. Man, what a difference 40 years makes.


      by the way, to the OP. No, taking kung Fu lessons won't impress the girls. Trust me.
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      • Profile picture of the author peterj
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        ....


        by the way, to the OP. No, taking kung Fu lessons won't impress the girls. Trust me.
        A bit of sexual gung fu might, as long as you don't start squawking like chicken Bruce Lee style.
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      • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I remember watching the series when it was on TV. I thought it was the greatest thing on TV. I would watch the movements, and try to figure out what they were doing. I would try to memorize some of the dialog, because I thought it was deep.

        I also thought the Chinese Kung Fu movies were showing real Kung fu. Man, what a difference 40 years makes.


        by the way, to the OP. No, taking kung Fu lessons won't impress the girls. Trust me.
        Baldie, any tips for a God?? I feel indestructible, immortal, in... er, several other superlatives beginning with 'i'. How do I get back down to earth so that I can interface with the common bald Joe??
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          Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

          Baldie, any tips for a God?? I feel indestructible, immortal, in... er, several other superlatives beginning with 'i'.
          How about imbecilic?
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            I thought the secret to success was having a big wallet and a big willy.

            BTW, I'm looking forward to the Professor Carpet's new book "How To Win Friends And Influence People With Your Wallet And Your Willy".
            This gives a new meaning to "Willy Wonka, and the Chocolate Factory" especially if a certain letter is replaced with an "a"!

            The porn industry has already used that one, l fear!


            Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

            Baldie, any tips for a God?? I feel indestructible, immortal, in... er, several other superlatives beginning with 'i'. How do I get back down to earth so that I can interface with the common bald Joe??
            Shave your head for charity, that should do the trick?

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            • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              This gives a new meaning to "Willy Wonka, and the Chocolate Factory" especially if a certain letter is replaced with an "a"!
              Wally Wonka. Hmmm.
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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

                Wally Wonka. Hmmm.
                I thought he meant chacolate.
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                • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                  I thought he meant chacolate.
                  Maybe he's referring to the Italian version . . .

                  Willy Wonka ana the Chocolate Factory.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

          Baldie, any tips for a God?? I feel indestructible, immortal, in... er, several other superlatives beginning with 'i'. How do I get back down to earth so that I can interface with the common bald Joe??

          It shows a remarkable lack of integrity to start every superlative with "I". You show much more class, when you use the words "Me" "My", or "Mine", ...and spread it throughout the sentence.

          For example; "My incredible charisma, draws women to me....so they are mine to command."

          "My fellow humans are here for one reason, to allow me to take what is their's...and make it mine."

          See? Much classier.
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  • Profile picture of the author nickherc
    Just go out there, I dunno... Go to a bar and get drunk and just randomly start talking to someone (just don't harass people, have a casual approach). Online you can also met a lot of friends, heck, even on this forum+they're online services that can be helpful.

    And work on your confidence, that's the key. And don't be sad, if you feel lonely, it's just a feeling that can be altered, it's nothing final.

    Call me weird, but I kinda prefer to be alone. People bore the c*** out of me.

    Anyway, put your head up and move into action .
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

    Do you have friends?.
    I have a Riffle. And I used to want friends, until I met him. Now, solitude is far more....um...sanitary.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

    Do you have friends and a girlfriend/boyfriend? I always work at home while doing IM, and it is impossible for me to get new friends and a gf because I have no place to go to, in real life. I feel like I am so alone, internet marketing is a lonely job. What should I do? How do you get to know new people when you are an internet marketer?

    (PS, I am also a socially anxious person, got help from therapists but it doesn't work, so it is more harder for me to get a social life, if I got some confidence then it would be easier, but in this thread my actual question isn't how to get confidence. My question is: How is it even possible to get new friends and a social life when you always work on PC?).
    Your post resonated with me because, as a young adult, I suffered from severe social anxiety and also from panic attacks. At one point, my panic attacks were so bad that I would get up in the middle of college class and dart out of the classroom. I had to get a note from my therapist in order for my professors to understand what was transpiring.

    I'm writing to you today because there is definitely hope.

    If you would have told me at age 19 (when the panic attacks begun) that ten years into the future that I would not only overcome my social anxiety and panic attacks, but also become a dating and lifestyle coach, I would have told you you were off your rocker. It took a lot of hard work, but I finally over came my own social anxiety.

    For more than a decade I have worked with people with varying degrees of SA. I'm here to tell you that to some degree social anxiety is very normal. Virtually everyone experiences it to some degree at one point or another during their lives. I could write a very long book on just this one topic alone.

    You've gotten some very good advice in this thread (and some humorous as well).

    The first step to having a social life, with or without SA, is to know your outcome. What is it that you really want? If you want a social life and don't want to feel "lonely" anymore, then you have to make that a priority. You must learn to balance your online work / business with putting yourself out there. Some people here have given you some great advice on how to do that.

    You say therapy didn't work for you, but my question to you is, did you work with a therapist that specialized in your condition? Did that specialist have knowledge in how to build a social life and overcome social anxiety? (I have found that many of them don't in my experience).

    The second step to having a social life and not feeling lonely is you have to be willing to push yourself outside your comfort zone. Yes, I know, it's sounds very cliche, but it's true. You cannot grow as a person unless you push yourself.

    There are two very different schools of thought here: some people believe in pushing you right into the fire, while the other school of thought is do it gradually. I don't think one approach is necessarily better than the other because it depends on the individual and how receptive they are to it.

    But they key thing here is your social life isn't going to get better if you don't take responsibility and hide behind excuses such as "I work all the time". That's not going to cut it.

    I'll use myself as an example. When I was 19 I became very introverted, which was bizarre because I was very social in high school. I became so shy and introverted that I couldn't even look a girl in the eye. I stuttered when I would talk to girls and I just couldn't get anywhere with the opposite sex.

    So, following my therapist's advice. I began doing small things. For example, for a week I would try to hold a woman's gaze for 3 seconds. For the second week I would smile at one woman per day. For the 3rd week I would smile at 2 women per day. Yes, my anxiety was really bad and my therapist had me take baby steps.

    Some of the best advice I can give you is this: you won't get better and your social life won't improve until you take 100% responsibility for your life.

    No one is going to give you new friends.

    No one is going to give you a girlfriend.

    Nothing outside of yourself is going to give you lasting happiness.

    No one is going to improve your social life except YOU.

    You are the one that chooses to work on your PC all day. Don't make that a crutch. Don't use that as an excuse to not improve your social life. You can always learn how to be more productive so that you can do more things in less time.

    You say you and your friend go out to bars sometimes. That's a start. What events or activities are there around where you live? Are there any Meetup.com groups in your area? If not, maybe you can start one. Look for events or social activities.

    Your social skills are very much like a muscle. You need to practice. It will be awkward at first, but like my very first mentor once taught me when it came to approaching and talking to strangers, "The first 1,000 approaches don't even count."

    It was a big paradigm shift for me, looking at my own social skills and development like a set of muscles that I had to develop. And it makes sense.

    I strongly recommend going to http://rsdnation.com/ (RSDNation.com), signing up for a free account, and going through the forum there. Specifically, go into the success stories and spend some time there. You'll see guys in there that had varying degrees of SA overcome their own limitations by taking action and learning from one another.

    There might even be a "lair" in your part of town or close to where you live where you might be able to meet other guys who are trying to better their social skills.

    Now I want to make this point, too, because it's VERY important: having or not having a girlfriend or boyfriend has ZERO reflection on how valuable you are as a human being.

    Some people in your situation feel like they're not valuable or have self-esteem issues because they don't have a girlfriend / boyfriend. And nothing could be further from the truth. Finding a mate will only cure loneliness in the short term. But loneliness and how you FEEL about yourself comes mostly from within.

    Whoever made the post previously that feeling lonely has a lot to do with how you habitually talk yourself was on the money. You must learn to master your thoughts and pay VERY close attention to HOW you habitually talk yourself.

    When I was 19 years old I had the worst, most negative self talk. I constantly called myself a "loser" and told myself "no woman would ever want me". I really believed I was destined to be "alone".

    Today, being alone is not a bad thing and it does NOT equal loneliness.

    I'll be honest with you, it took me a couple of years of hard work and pushing myself to overcome my SA and to get my social life to where I wanted it to be.

    And right now, at this moment, it's on you to make this better. Take it slow if you have to, but my advice to you for the next 30 days is to NOT take it slow. Make it a point to GET out there and meet new people. Find others that have similar interests. I mean, do SOMETHING!

    One of the BEST things I have found for social anxiety is to take dance classes that FORCE you to couple with another person. Think of salsa, swing, or tango.

    There are two things that WILL elevate your mood:

    1. Exercise
    2. Food

    You should exercise at least 4x a week, even if it's just walking for an hour. Regarding food, make sure you're eating lots of organic vegetables, fruits, legumes, etc. and stay away from processed food. I own a Vitamix and a Healthmaster and I make vegetable smoothies everyday.

    If you can do this for one week straight, you will notice a big difference on how you feel. After 25 to 30 days, you will simply feel awesome and unstoppable. Doing exercise and eating the right foods gives you the best natural high ever, that it's difficult to put into words. It's just something you have to experience for yourself. But if I knew I could feel this good from just eating a ton of vegetables everyday, I would have done it a long time ago (yes, I still eat meat, but not as much as I used to).

    So after you read this, make a concrete decision that you are going to improve your social life, no matter what. Write down some actions that you are going to take TODAY. Start off with one action today.

    That's how I started and it's made all the difference in the world.

    RoD

    P.S. As a side note, I say these 3 things to myself every morning when I wake up and when I go to bed at night (I mix the order around sometimes too):

    1. I thank my Maker for everything that I do have and for the life I have.

    2. I am awesome.

    3. I accept myself unconditionally as I am, right now. (But this doesn't mean you shouldn't improve yourself either).

    They say a new habit is created after 39 days of repeating it, so try this mantra everyday for the next 39 days straight and see if it has an impact on you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by usemyteam View Post

      You need to go out sometimes. I dont think it would be hard to at least go out once a week.
      When one has social anxiety and/or is socially awkward, yes, it is hard to go out. Not just sometimes, but usually. Of course, it depends on the degree of anxiety that a person has.

      I've dealt with social anxiety, intimately, for over 26 years. So, your statement, though well-intentioned, isn't true. It is hard for someone who has anxiety to go out. For some, it's downright terrifying.

      It was for me when I suffered from it. I was terrified of being out in public. I had to push myself and take small steps to overcome it.

      And believe it or not, just "going out....once a week" isn't going to fix it either in most cases. There has to be a goal, an outcome set in mind, and there has to be some consistency as well as learning taking place.

      Otherwise it's going to lead to a brick wall fast.

      Sure, going out at least once a week is a start, but I want to emphasize it's a start. If a person wants to improve their social life, they need to make it a priority, they need to learn from others who have improved their own social life (hence the RSD Nation plug), and they need to keep on going even when things get tough.

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      • Profile picture of the author nickherc
        Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

        When one has social anxiety and/or is socially awkward, yes, it is hard to go out. Not just sometimes, but usually. Of course, it depends on the degree of anxiety that a person has.

        I've dealt with social anxiety, intimately, for over 26 years. So, your statement, though well-intentioned, isn't true. It is hard for someone who has anxiety to go out. For some, it's downright terrifying.

        It was for me when I suffered from it. I was terrified of being out in public. I had to push myself and take small steps to overcome it.

        And believe it or not, just "going out....once a week" isn't going to fix it either in most cases. There has to be a goal, an outcome set in mind, and there has to be some consistency as well as learning taking place.

        Otherwise it's going to lead to a brick wall fast.

        Sure, going out at least once a week is a start, but I want to emphasize it's a start. If a person wants to improve their social life, they need to make it a priority, they need to learn from others who have improved their own social life (hence the RSD Nation plug), and they need to keep on going even when things get tough.

        RoD
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        • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
          Originally Posted by nickherc View Post

          How did you get a grip on your social anxiety?
          I first decided that I was going to overcome it, no matter what. Then I took 100% responsibility for my own social life. Nothing really happened until I did that.

          I did two things that helped me immensely.

          1. I sought out a therapist that I connected with and trusted (it took going through 3 therapists before I found him).

          2. I sought out someone who understood social dynamics. In my specific situation, I sought out alpha males who knew how to be social. I talked to them, observed them, and learned from them.

          I read books. I attended seminars. I went to basketball courts and played pick up games. And more importantly, I forced myself to interact with strangers. It didn't matter if it was an old woman. The cocktail server. The retail clerk at a department store. I started talking to anyone who would listen to me.

          I got a TON of rejections from girls back then, but I knew it was something I had to do. If another guy could do it, I thought, then why not me?

          I joined TOASTMASTERS (a great organization to join if you want to build up your confidence).

          I took dance lessons (salsa, hip hop, free style).

          After a few months of getting out there and joining clubs, taking dance lessons, etc. I started getting invited to more social events. Which is why I'm a big advocate for taking dancing lessons. In many places you can go to a Salsa night club and get free dance lessons during the first hour.

          It got to a point where I wasn't just making new friends, I was getting better at talking with people, and the more comfortable I got, the more comfortable people got with me.

          When you talk to people, they can FEEL what you feel. So when I was nervous and awkward, it made THEM nervous.

          Just as important, if not more so, is that I changed what I said to myself and changed my daily habitual thoughts.

          It took many, many months to get to the point where I felt comfortable being in social situations. I still had some level of anxiety, but I later discovered that for most people that's just the normal anxiety feeling that people get when they are put in social situations, especially with strangers.

          Anything worthwhile in life takes work and this was no exception for me.

          Social anxiety is 99% in your head. It really is. And the fastest way to get a grip on it is to realize that and then getting out there and begin creating new anchors and reference points that your brain can use.

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  • Profile picture of the author tonylest75
    Originally Posted by residentevil View Post

    Do you have friends and a girlfriend/boyfriend? I always work at home while doing IM, and it is impossible for me to get new friends and a gf because I have no place to go to, in real life. I feel like I am so alone, internet marketing is a lonely job. What should I do? How do you get to know new people when you are an internet marketer?

    (PS, I am also a socially anxious person, got help from therapists but it doesn't work, so it is more harder for me to get a social life, if I got some confidence then it would be easier, but in this thread my actual question isn't how to get confidence. My question is: How is it even possible to get new friends and a social life when you always work on PC?).
    Try to participate in more forums and there are many social networking website like Facebook and twitter, Try to use them you can get so many friends easy from there. Best of luck
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    People didn't realize how tough to have depression, anxiety and panic disorder. You should be in their shoes to understand them.

    I also suffered with those conditions for 5 years, it will drained you physically and mentally.

    Heck, I been imprisoned for gunning someone that ridiculed me for my condition, thanks to my lawyer I'm free.
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