Interesting article about the Psychology of Blaming the Victim

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This article, Why Do We Blame the Victim, makes some good points. I see examples of what they are referring to every day, including in this forum.

Victim blaming is not just about avoiding culpability—it's also about avoiding vulnerability. The more innocent a victim, the more threatening they are. Victims threaten our sense that the world is a safe and moral place, where good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. When bad things happen to good people, it implies that no one is safe, that no matter how good we are, we too could be vulnerable. The idea that misfortune can be random, striking anyone at any time, is a terrifying thought, and yet we are faced every day with evidence that it may be true.

In the 1960s, social psychologist Dr. Melvin Lerner conducted a famous serious of studies in which he found that when participants observed another person receiving electric shocks and were unable to intervene, they began to derogate the victims. The more unfair and severe the suffering appeared to be, the greater the derogation. Follow up studies found that a similar phenomenon occurs when people evaluate victims of car accidents, rape, domestic violence, illness, and poverty...

Lerner theorized that these victim blaming tendencies are rooted in the belief in a just world, a world where actions have predictable consequences and people can control what happens to them. It is captured in common phrases like "what goes around comes around" and "you reap what you sow." We want to believe that justice will come to wrongdoers, whereas good, honest people who follow the rules will be rewarded. Research has found, not surprisingly, that people who believe that the world is a just place are happier and less depressed. But this happiness may come at a cost—it may reduce our empathy for those who are suffering, and we may even contribute to their suffering by increasing stigmatization.
Why Do We Blame Victims? | Psychology Today
  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    There is a phenomenon about blaming the victim.
    There is also the phenomenon of blaming the accused, before there is any evidence.
    There is also the phenomenon of always siding with one side (usually politically) regardless of the evidence.
    There is also the phenomenon of exaggerating the crime, to make it more titillating.

    And there is also the phenomenon of serial explaining everything...and using the word "Phenomenon" in every sentence.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Yep, there are a lot of phenomenons. What do you think about what the article said though? It's pretty relevant in many stories recently it seems to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Yep, there are a lot of phenomenons. What do you think about what the article said though? It's pretty relevant in many stories recently it seems to me.
        I read the article, and it made sense. But what we take out of the articles may be skewed, because it's only a small part of how we see a crime. So there is a strong tendency to interpret the information in the article...to support our world view.

        I'm not saying that's what you are doing, but it's a strong tendency.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          There is a phenomenon about blaming the victim.
          There is also the phenomenon of blaming the accused, before there is any evidence.
          There is also the phenomenon of always siding with one side (usually politically) regardless of the evidence.
          There is also the phenomenon of exaggerating the crime, to make it more titillating.

          And there is also the phenomenon of serial explaining everything...and using the word "Phenomenon" in every sentence.
          Blah, blah, blah, phenomenon, blah, blah, blah!
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Tim,

    A good article, overall, and it helps to explain human nature and behavior which is where I believe the problem exists, if one wants to call it a problem. It's human nature at work and that's something that won't change in a long time for a variety of reasons.

    I read about that 60s era experiment in a psych class back in the late 70s. I even saw some video of the people getting shocked.

    If I may be so bold, not that it matters at all, I think Lerner focused on something, though while important, does not quite go to the heart of the matter. He focuses on the peoples' need to believe in a just world. I believe it goes deeper to the much more important need to feel protected and safe, and that need extends to all aspects of life.

    A just world won't allow for bad things happening to good people. A corollary-type mindset is the one in which people believe all will be well in their lives if they do all the right things. But perhaps the (possible) error is in the definition, or belief, of what is right. It's subjective, however, people tend to look around them and see other people getting along reasonably well after doing certain things. Example, going to school and college, obeying laws, paying their bills and taxes, working hard, etc.

    I really believe it's more of a need to have physical and psychological security. And of course the mention of need for some measure of control in one's life is of paramount importance. But then perhaps an argument can be made that the need for control also derives from the need for security. The latter coming as a result of the former.

    Lastly, I can speak from some experience on this topic after having very difficult times, being homeless, etc. Years ago, just before becoming homeless, my (former) best friend asked me if I had a drug problem. We had been discussing the events happening to me and the possible (negative) consequences. He wondered if everything had stemmed from possible drug use.

    I was more than a little incensed about that since I did not, and still do not, use drugs of any kind. I'm boringly straight in that I do not use drugs or drink any form of alcohol. I love caffeinated coffee and smoke cigarettes, though - so fine, they can crucify me for that.

    And there have been quite a few other instances of this from people I used to know and others. I understand some of the process for this, such as mentioned in the article, but it can still be difficult.

    My reaction and response has been to become estranged from them which is something I have no problem with.

    Thanks for posting the article.

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      If I may be so bold, not that it matters at all, I think Lerner focused on something, though while important, does not quite go to the heart of the matter. He focuses on the peoples' need to believe in a just world. I believe it goes deeper to the much more important need to feel protected and safe, and that need extends to all aspects of life.
      I agree Ken. The article's author alluded to that in talking about vulnerability.

      Lastly, I can speak from some experience on this topic after having very difficult times, being homeless, etc. Years ago, just before becoming homeless, my (former) best friend asked me if I had a drug problem. We had been discussing the events happening to me and the possible (negative) consequences. He wondered if everything had stemmed from possible drug use.

      I was more than a little incensed about that since I did not, and still do not, use drugs of any kind. I'm boringly straight in that I do not use drugs or drink any form of alcohol. I love caffeinated coffee and smoke cigarettes, though - so fine, they can crucify me for that.
      Great example Ken and excellent post!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    It is a good article. I'm not sure how accurate it is on some points, either.

    One of the problems we had at the crisis center was that rape victims were treated as perpetrators in our legal system. It was bad back then (the end of the 70's).

    The one example that really hits me since I worked with this woman and her case, was a woman whose friend called her in the middle of the night with a severe upset. So she tossed on a sweat shirt and pants and drove over to her. She broke down on the way over, a man stopped to "help", raped her - brutally, she was badly battered, too - and then she lost the case against him in court because she hadn't been wearing a bra, so basically had "given permission" for the attack.

    This type of double victimization seems to me goes further than any psychological need to see the world as safe, or good, etc. To me it goes to a psychological propensity for a group to just plain feel better than anyone else and rightful in any actions they want to take against a group they feel is less somehow than themselves. Crime against the subordinate group, just doesn't matter. You either do as you are told or you get hurt. It's not about safety or security - it's about control.

    I also think most of us are familiar with Milgram experiments that show that a large percent of people will actually perpetrate harm against another human or an animal simply because they are told to do so by an authority. No rationalizing why the other is being hurt at all. Just following orders.

    I think what Dr Lerner was witnessing was not much more than self-exoneration of guilt for not doing the right thing and stopping what was going on.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      One of the problems we had at the crisis center was that rape victims were treated as perpetrators in our legal system.
      Part of the problem there can be sheeted back to the structure of the Common Law system which is adversorial.

      Rather than finding out the truth of the case, two lawyers argue around the case to try and convince a jury that their side of the argument is right. So it amounts to nothing more than a debate. The most convincing debater wins the case, and whether they're actually right or wrong is discarded along the way.

      If the prosecutor is a worse debater than the defence, the Common Law system mandates that the accused must be acquitted because the prosecutor wasn't able to prove "beyond all reasonable doubt" that the accused did what they're accused of.

      It is of course, a double edged sword. If someone is wrongly accused of a crime and the prosecutor can't convince a jury, the accused is acquitted based on the fundamental concept that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

      Is it a perfect system? Of course not.

      Is there a better system? I don't know.

      Perhaps a cross between the Common Law system and Roman Law (as used in Europe and other parts of the world), where a panel of judges try to determine the truth of the case may be a better way.

      However that would mean changing entire legal, social, economic and political systems to achieve that, and that isn't going to happen anytime, anywhere. The Roman Law system is far from perfect as well.
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Part of the problem there can be sheeted back to the structure of the Common Law system which is adversorial.

        Rather than finding out the truth of the case, two lawyers argue around the case to try and convince a jury that their side of the argument is right. So it amounts to nothing more than a debate. The most convincing debater wins the case, and whether they're actually right or wrong is discarded along the way.

        If the prosecutor is a worse debater than the defence, the Common Law system mandates that the accused must be acquitted because the prosecutor wasn't able to prove "beyond all reasonable doubt" that the accused did what they're accused of.

        It is of course, a double edged sword. If someone is wrongly accused of a crime and the prosecutor can't convince a jury, the accused is acquitted based on the fundamental concept that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

        Is it a perfect system? Of course not.

        Is there a better system? I don't know.

        Perhaps a cross between the Common Law system and Roman Law (as used in Europe and other parts of the world), where a panel of judges try to determine the truth of the case may be a better way.

        However that would mean changing entire legal, social, economic and political systems to achieve that, and that isn't going to happen anytime, anywhere. The Roman Law system is far from perfect as well.
        As corrupted as our system is at this point, I would hate to have a panel of judges deciding against me. I don't have enough money to buy a favorable "judgement".
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          As corrupted as our system is at this point, I would hate to have a panel of judges deciding against me. I don't have enough money to buy a favorable "judgement".
          Hm.I see.

          So you think you have enough money to buy a favorable judgement in a jury system

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            Ken,

            Good, insightful post.

            One thanks was not enough.

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              Tim,

              I'm betting, regarding "The Ferguson Incident", you and I probably do not agree on who the victim(s) was(were).

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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                I think a lot of the victim blaming can also be attributed to cynicism.

                Just the fact that people are wired to pick apart other human beings in a general sense.

                And be flat out cynical b@stards for the most part
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  • Profile picture of the author DelilahTaylor
    In modern culture I believe that a large portion of people find it easier to find any person or lifetime event as the reason bad things happen....instead of facing the fact of personal responsibility.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Research has found, not surprisingly, that people who believe that the world is a just place are happier and less depressed. But this happiness may come at a cost--it may reduce our empathy for those who are suffering, and we may even contribute to their suffering by increasing stigmatization.
      Sentence one is "research" with study results.

      Is sentence two also part of the research? Or is it opinion added by the author? I would guess the second is true but don't know for a fact.

      Research shows people who believe the world is just are happier - nothing surprising there.

      But - "may be" a cost, "may reduce" empathy, "we may contribute" to suffering....by being happy with our lives?

      In other words - people who are happy and feel safe should also feel guilty?

      The Lerner studies were interesting - they told us things about ourselves we probably didn't want to know.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        In another article I found the author says victim blaming can be explained, in part, by three psychological or cognitive processes/biases: the Just-World Hypothesis ( which the first article mentioned ), Black And White Thinking and Group Polarization.

        Research suggests that this Just-World hypothesis is more likely to be adopted by black and white thinkers, who can usually see only one side of an issue; they are unable or unwilling to hold two competing thoughts or beliefs in mind. In the present context, they would tell themselves that victims were asking for it by putting themselves in risky situations or otherwise making themselves vulnerable. Such individuals cannot recognize that holding someone accountable for their poor choices does not in any way excuse or minimize the repulsive actions of those who originally hurt them, nor of anyone who blamed or did not support them after the fact.

        Group Polarization can further explain some of the disgusting reactions to such tragedies. People with a certain view or mentality, such as victim blaming, tend to become more extreme in their perspective after discussing things with like-minded individuals; the internet makes it easy for such a process to occur on a larger scale than ever before.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          I've read the posts a few times. It seems that "Just World" thinkers just don't want to acknowledge that there are some very damaged and destructive people in the world.

          Psychopaths prey on that world view. If you partially blame the victim, (without cause) it make the extreme nature of the crime, seem less terrible.

          I don't know how pervasive this world view is. I see posts here, that criticize victims, but I don't see much blaming them for what happened. And I think that's what the Just World view seems to do.


          I went back to the article, and the author said that some people will filter their judgments through the lens of "You reap what you sow", and that may cause them to put some blame on victims. There may be some truth to that.
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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I see posts here, that criticize victims, but I don't see much blaming them for what happened.
            I see it. Imo, there isn't much distinction in criticizing a victim and blaming them in many instances.
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            • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              I see it. Imo, there isn't much distinction in criticizing a victim and blaming them in many instances.
              The deciding factor should be if the crime was committed, whether the victim was a prostitute or a nun. Even if you walk down a street with a big wallet prominently displayed in your back pocket and someone pick-pockets you, the pickpocket should be the one arrested and prosecuted, irrespective of how you displayed the wallet. Whether or not there may be measures one can take or lifestyle one should adopt to ensure one's own safety shouldn't factor into a criminal trial.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                I can certainly see the vulnerability angle. We are so wrapped up in day to day activities without much thought about how everything could be taken away in a second.

                Maybe a coping mechanism?

                In any case, I do think evil happens randomly. Sometimes you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

                In other cases, I think we can get ourselves into bad situations because we are not being aware of our surroundings.

                I have lived and traveled many different countries and done some really stupid stuff. If something bad were to have happened to me (sometimes it did), I'd have to take part of the blame even though it shouldn't have happened.
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                • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
                  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                  I can certainly see the vulnerability angle. We are so wrapped up in day to day activities without much thought about how everything could be taken away in a second.

                  Maybe a coping mechanism?
                  Very good point, Thomas. I've read that in similar articles that people engage in victim blaming or simply blaming, too quickly without knowing facts, because they're trying to cope with various unpleasant thoughts.

                  The primary unpleasant thought being that the circumstances could happen to them, the "blamers," and they're trying to get comfortable with the possibility of something bad happening to them.

                  You're very right about how things can happen quickly in life and how fast life circumstances can change. Its happened to me in several instances. And I've heard stories from people I've met, on the street, that corroborate the experience of "life changing in an instant."

                  One sidebar to all that is I've noticed in myself some residual stress from all that's happened. I'm hesitant to call it fear but maybe it is. My life is definitely improving and on the upswing, but there's something there about what could go wrong and suddenly cause it all to come crashing down. I don't dwell on it or feed the stress but it's there. I can't deny it.

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                  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                    Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post


                    One sidebar to all that is I've noticed in myself some residual stress from all that's happened. I'm hesitant to call it fear but maybe it is. My life is definitely improving and on the upswing, but there's something there about what could go wrong and suddenly cause it all to come crashing down. I don't dwell on it or feed the stress but it's there. I can't deny it.

                    Ken
                    Maybe not the same thing, but I experience a similar feeling regarding depression. I had never really been depressed until I was about 42 and then again a few years later. Both times it was situational depression. Ever since, I have that "something there" just hanging off to the side like a low hanging cloud that just might return at any time. I think being aware that it's there can be a helpful thing though. It's probably a coping mechanism we all have, maybe our unconscious telling us "Hey, don't forget about that shit that happened before."
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                    Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

                    Very good point, Thomas. I've read that in similar articles that people engage in victim blaming or simply blaming, too quickly without knowing facts, because they're trying to cope with various unpleasant thoughts.

                    The primary unpleasant thought being that the circumstances could happen to them, the "blamers," and they're trying to get comfortable with the possibility of something bad happening to them.

                    You're very right about how things can happen quickly in life and how fast life circumstances can change. Its happened to me in several instances. And I've heard stories from people I've met, on the street, that corroborate the experience of "life changing in an instant."

                    One sidebar to all that is I've noticed in myself some residual stress from all that's happened. I'm hesitant to call it fear but maybe it is. My life is definitely improving and on the upswing, but there's something there about what could go wrong and suddenly cause it all to come crashing down. I don't dwell on it or feed the stress but it's there. I can't deny it.

                    Ken
                    I can relate to that. I have a job and boss that make my stomach turn. There is nothing, even in my direct fields that pays high enough here for me to just ditch it. I have a place I can go elsewhere any time I want - a few years back I would have just said " #$#@)$ it" and moved. Now I'm hesitant. and starting to realize that I'm becoming so over-cautious that it's actually pulling me under. Getting ready to ditch that attitude real fast, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    You're all very kind. I think that victim-blaming can mostly be attributed to cowardice, moral impotence, and the weak-minded desire to be on the winning side whatever it entails, whoever is hurt. Another term I'd use to describe it is "selective psychopathy."
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      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      You're all very kind. I think that victim-blaming can mostly be attributed to cowardice, moral impotence, and the weak-minded desire to be on the winning side whatever it entails, whoever is hurt. Another term, I'd use to describe it is "selective psychopathy."
      Sometimes victim blaming is exactly that.

      Sometimes blaming is confused with legitimate questions and investigations.

      And sometimes the label is simply used for deflection.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Here's another article on Victim Blaming:
    SFU study examines

    "The phenomenon of blaming rape victims can be influenced by how the sexual assault is defined, finds a new study out of Simon Fraser University.

    Its results find that assault victims are less likely to be considered at fault when the rape is considered a “hate crime” – or the result of prejudices against women as a group."
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    In one of my college Human Resources classes, we had a mock trial based on an
    actual case. A company wanted to fire a female employee. The real reasons had
    more to do with chemistry than performance. It was a unionized setting, so they
    also had those issues to contend with.

    So, what the supervisors did is have her immediate supervisor threaten her with
    her job if she did not perform a sexual act on him. She did it and during they had
    his supervisor 'coincidentally' walk in on them. They fired her for the impropriety
    and disciplined her immediate supervisor - trying to make it look as if it was
    consensual fooling around, or perhaps that she started it.

    She later won the case against the company.

    In a class of 25 or so students, only one student vocalized that she should not
    have been the victim at all. He was of the 100% personal responsibility school
    of thought. He said nothing about the company's wrong doing.

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    I once had a dealing with a criminal. Her belief system was "Ha Ha, you're
    the fool for trusting me." It's very creepy to experience those who transgress
    and blame the victim.

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    Bad things should not happen to people, but there are bad people out there.

    Random shit happens.

    Other times there is an element of personal responsibility and being strong and assertive,
    or fighting, or running away is needed. If I had a daughter, I would not want her to get
    drunk at a frat house and prefer she not go at all. But, if she must go, then stay sober
    and stay with a bunch of trusted people.

    I also think there is an element of denial and rationalization. You know how it's said
    that there are no guilty people in jail - if you ask the inmates anyway.

    Bystanders want to make themselves feel better about not being the victim.
    Like the people who laughed when Reagan got shot and we saw it on TV the first time.
    Or the people who laughed at me sliding into the curb because I was on sheer ice.

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