You Brits Here Pissed off Lebron put his Arm around Kate ?

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Apparently it is a no - no

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  • Profile picture of the author somedevil
    After all he is King James !!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Of course it's a "no no".

    But in my opinion putting your arm around a woman you've just met when her husband is standing next to her - is bad manners to begin with.

    Royalty aside - it's an interesting point that a man feels it's ok to touch a woman just because he's bigger and male.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Kay's exactly right. Regardless of protocol, the act of putting your arms around a stranger in a social situation is generally one of dominance - usually subconscious.

      And it's not always male over female. When the current coalition government in the UK was first voted in, it was comical watching the two (male) party-leaders jostle for perceived dominance by attempting to casually lay guiding hands on the other when the cameras were rolling.

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        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        When the current coalition government in the UK was first voted in, it was comical watching the two (male) party-leaders jostle for perceived dominance by attempting to casually lay guiding hands on the other when the cameras were rolling.
        Indeed. I remember it well. On the steps going into number 10? Was very entertaining!
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Pfffttt!!!

    Back in 1993, then Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating "touched up" the Queen.



    OFF TOPIC BTW: For those who understand the Westminster style of government, check out some of the many videos on YouTube where Keating rips into the Opposition during Question Time. Funny as.

    He was so entertaining that people actually used to watch QT!
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      I just took a look at the shocking photo.

      Have any of you guys ever hugged a woman, because you just liked her? Or you were just getting along really well?

      Sometimes a hug is just a hug.

      And it was really just an arm across the shoulder......

      I can't believe I just spent ten seconds typing about this non-issue.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        ISometimes a hug is just a hug.

        You've been trying that line on judges for years.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          You've been trying that line on judges for years.

          Well, it could have been worse......by it being practically anything else.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Well, it could have been worse......by it being practically anything else.
            Your definition and the penal system's definition of "hug" are drastically different, hence the restraining orders.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Thats not even close to being a hug. I do think its a bit off given the whole thing about royalty but its not uncouth generally. What you have to remember is that Lebron and other famous athletes take pictures all the time with that pose. Its automatic

              Has absolutely nothing with being bigger or anything. its reflex for how such pictures are taken.
              Those of you claiming its a sign of dominance need to get out more

              As usual the Brits get a bit bent of shape over everything. She was twirling her hair a few weeks ago and they were upset. I thought it was adorable and down to earth.
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              • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                As usual the Brits get a bit bent of shape over everything. She was twirling her hair a few weeks ago and they were upset. I thought it was adorable and down to earth.
                And as usual Americans get bent out of shape imagining that Brits are getting bent out of shape!

                Truth is that 99.99999% of Brits couldn't give a damn. And the tiny few who do care work for the media.
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                • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                  Originally Posted by Martin Avis View Post

                  And as usual Americans get bent out of shape imagining that Brits are getting bent out of shape!
                  Yep. It's those who still harbour crass stereotypes who really need to get out more.


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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Martin Avis View Post

                  And as usual Americans get bent out of shape imagining that Brits are getting bent out of shape!
                  Imagining??? Hey don't blame us cousins. Its your press saying that you are bent out of shape.

                  Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                  Yep. It's those who still harbour crass stereotypes who really need to get out more.

                  Ridiculous comment for reason stated above. You can't whine against the observation or call it crass stereotyping if its your own press reporting it. Well..I mean you can but not logically.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Imagining??? Hey don't blame us cousins. Its your press saying that you are bent out of shape.
                    Mike, we'll agree to being defined by our media if you'll agree to being defined by yours. Deal?


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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                      Mike, we'll agree to being defined by our media if you'll agree to being defined by yours. Deal?


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                      DEAL!! then my point stands since yes when our media reports something to the rest of the world I blame OUR media not the rest of the world that heard it. Meanwhile its hardly defining or you just don't understand what DEFINING is.

                      Next I guess I can claim if someone says Americans like hamburgers that that is a crass stereotype without the world ALL being put before it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    IHey don't blame us cousins. Its your press saying that you are bent out of shape.
                    What a bizarre coincidence that the same UK media outlets that get outraged over incidents like this are also the same ones that publish every bit of royal scandal (and non-scandal) they can, even as far as hacking into their phones.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      I don't think lebron is out to guide control Ben as the opposite sex



                      Again for those of you who don't know, these poses are pretty standard for sports figures with fans. I will grant that its a violation of royal protocol but all the psycho babble about sub conscious dominance etc is over the top. Most fans particularly NBA fans like that kind of pose that relates friendship (as opposed to just standing besides like a forced setup) so those who do it a lot do it pretty much as force of habit.
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                  Originally Posted by Martin Avis View Post

                  And as usual Americans get bent out of shape imagining that Brits are getting bent out of shape!

                  Truth is that 99.99999% of Brits couldn't give a damn. And the tiny few who do care work for the media.
                  I can say personally I don't get bent out of shape. I think it is amusing , actually


                  The whole Pomp and Circumstances is quite silly and comical of these people that 'seemingly' do nothing to add real value to Society (but be just Figureheads for the sake of being Figureheads because of
                  some outdated ,historical tradition )

                  But I guess that could be said about our Kardashians and many of the Kennedys and half the celebrities
                  in the US
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                    The whole Pomp and Circumstances is quite silly and comical of these people that 'seemingly' do nothing to add real value to Society (but be just Figureheads for the sake of being Figureheads because of
                    some outdated ,historical tradition )

                    But I guess that could be said about our Kardashians
                    Not exactly true. In the case of the Kardashians its more about Rump and Circumstances.


                    Rump I think being a word our British posters are more familiar with.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                    The whole Pomp and Circumstances is quite silly and comical of these people that 'seemingly' do nothing to add real value to Society (but be just Figureheads for the sake of being Figureheads because of
                    some outdated ,historical tradition )
                    I'm afraid it doesn't really matter what you think about the Royals, like it doesn't matter what I think about guns in America. Or Twinkies.

                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    As usual the Brits get a bit bent of shape over everything. She was twirling her hair a few weeks ago and they were upset. I thought it was adorable and down to earth.
                    Hi Mike,

                    I wasn't aware of the hair twirling moment, I didn't see it in the press either. I read about Lebron meeting them and saw the picture this morning. I had to rely on you to tell me that the newspaper is saying we're all bent out of shape though. The paper I was reading didn't mention protocol.

                    I hope I can unbend at some point. It's getting hard to walk.

                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Imagining??? Hey don't blame us cousins. Its your press saying that you are bent out of shape.
                    So all the 'Brits' are getting bent out of shape because you read about it in a foreign newspaper in America?

                    Believe me Mike, no-one outside the Royal family apart from those who are seriously close to the Royals or people who have pictures of them all over their house probably even remembered it was protocol and even if they did, they probably think it's a bit of a silly protocol anyway.

                    For the record, I really don't care at all. If it was me, I'd probably pinch the Queens bottom simply for the book rights and press coverage that would follow. I'd be an absolute hero at my local too.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                      So all the 'Brits' are getting bent out of shape because you read about it in a foreign newspaper in America?
                      If you could find where I said "all" then you might have had a point but no I am just saying if your press reports something its your press' fault. Thats how we do it over the other side of the pond. CNN , MSNBC , Fox screws up then its on them. You just can't blame the "crass" American for it. Makes zero sense to be claiming its a crass stereotype being invented when its your press reporting it. Thats all

                      For the record, I really don't care at all. If it was me, I'd probably pinch the Queens bottom simply for the book rights and press coverage that would follow. I'd be an absolute hero at my local too.
                      You 'd be a hero throughout a good part of the world. lol
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                      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        If you could find where I said "all" then you might have had a point but no I am just saying if your press reports something its your press' fault.
                        You're quite right. I was only having fun. It is the press that does this, I looked up a few places that mentioned it and most were reporting one lady from some manners society I'd never heard of, saying it was against protocol and lots of other stuff/nonsense.

                        Thats how we do it over the other side of the pond. CNN , MSNBC , Fox screws up then its on them. You just can't blame the "crass" American for it. Makes zero sense to be claiming its a crass stereotype being invented when its your press reporting it. Thats all
                        I completely agree.

                        You 'd be a hero throughout a good part of the world. lol
                        I suspect I would. The book would be called...

                        "The man who pinched the Queens bottom and did 25 years at her majesties pleasure...but it's not the sort of pleasure you might be thinking about."
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                        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                          "The man who pinched the Queens bottom and did 25 years at her majesties pleasure
                          Don't worry. If they imprison you for that, a huge viral campaign on Titter, Farcebook, etc., would see you getting an early release after only 24 years and 364 days (365 if you're imprisoned during a leap year).

                          We've got your back.
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                  Originally Posted by Martin Avis View Post

                  And as usual Americans get bent out of shape imagining that Brits are getting bent out of shape!

                  Truth is that 99.99999% of Brits couldn't give a damn. And the tiny few who do care work for the media.


                  100% This!!!
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                However I guess you guys must be right about it being a sign of domination yada yada yada. They both look terrified at the contact.




                I guess they didn't get the memo.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

              Your definition and the penal system's definition of "hug" are drastically different, hence the restraining orders.
              I remember hugging this girl, and she couldn't get away. She says "Why are you restraining me? Why don't you let me go?" and I said "I have a restraining order from the court. I have to obey it."

              Why the court insisted I restrain people, is anyone's guess.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                And it was really just an arm across the shoulder......
                No - I disagree on this one. It's an old style mannerism from a time when men protected/guided/controlled women. Between friends, neighbors, family ...it's fine. With strangers, new acquaintances, business contacts....it's not acceptable.

                I used to run into this a lot when I was in outside sales. I sold mainly to male CEO's and dept heads and it was surprising how many assumed as a female I wouldn't mind being hugged or having someone's arm around me or a hand on my back.

                Initially, I was polite and tolerated it....later I'd just freeze them out with a look and an "exCUSE me?"
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I can't believe I just spent ten seconds typing about this non-issue.
        To you it's a non-issue. To many women it would be offensive. I don't care to be "hugged" or someone's armed wrapped around me unless we already have that level of familiarity in our relationship. To tell you the truth, I don't like it when a woman does it either. I'm a "I like my own space, thank you" person.
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    hugging is only offensive when the intent is to offend, at least he did not punch her.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Let me respectfully disagree. Out-of-bounds is, well, out of bounds.



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      hugging is only offensive when the intent is to offend
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    and for those insisting its some male to female thing. I could literally find hundreds of examples but heres two

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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    I think it's quite refreshing actually. Some news from America that doesn't involve anybody being shot.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Absence of malice is a big consideration. However, everybody should learn that Royal protocol or not,
    everybody has their limits and life experiences.

    I used to do what were to me friendly put downs until I noticed the look on a customers face.
    I had known her a few months and she was a bank president. I don't recall what I said, but I'm sure it was very light and definitely un-crude... I figured that perhaps in her past she had been in an abusive relationship, so I stopped that kind of humor - unless it's clear that kind of atmosphere is ok.

    My Dad was the kind who demanded hugs from daughters and other relatives. To this day, neither
    sister, except with their spouses, is a very huggy person - even in a grieving kind of situation. I have to really like someone before I feel comfortable letting them into my bubble and can't stand employees nearby while I'm working at the computer.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    The royals and their protocols can be quite strange IMHO.

    I remember seeing a clip of the Queen coming back from an oversees trip and only shaking a very young Charles' hand when they greeted each other at the airport.

    But protocol is protocol and the advance man for the royals should have informed Lebron of the protocol before he was led to meet with the royals. I doubt its a big deal with the too young royals.

    The British media also tried to make a big deal about the FLOTUS touching the Queen on the back but the Queen quickly shot it down and the media backed off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    It's no big deal, it's much ado about nothing. The royal family is paraded around like a touring museum. The prince is nothing more than a title.

    We have no prince here in the U.S, so you have to forgive us when we do something evil like shake the hand of royalty, or give them a pat on the back

    I can understand why some people in England would be offended, but they were in the U.S and nobody here is to good for a handshake or pat on the back. Most of us don't even know that we are not allowed to touch English royalty

    Having a royal family is nice and all, but I'd be more impressed if they were feeding the poor or something, not traveling the world giving fake smiles and waves.

    I'm pretty sure neither one of them ever watched and NBA game, they were just there for show. I almost feel sorry for them, because I'm sure they rather live a private life, than be paraded around like a traveling circus.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      oh my goodness - people need to chill out! - it seems it doesn't take much to get people upset these days -

      I don't care about so-called protocol - the Royals are human just like you and me - and I seriously doubt Lebron meant any harm -

      if I met some of you folks down here in OT with whom I have had the pleasure of interacting with since 2008 - I would probably hug you - that doesn't mean I'm aggressive and mean anything other than showing you my love and affection - that's just who and how I am -

      no wonder I have been feeling like going off-grid into the wilderness lately -
      so many people are just very judgmental and mean-spirited -
      it makes me very sad.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post


        if I met some of you folks down here in OT with whom I have had the pleasure of interacting with since 2008 - I would probably hug you - that doesn't mean I'm aggressive and mean anything other than showing you my love and affection - that's just who and how I am -


        WARNING : Don't hug Kay
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        I can understand the push back about putting your hand on someone you don't know. My question is, can you hover hand a royal?

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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          I can understand the push back about putting your hand on someone you don't know. My question is, can you hover hand a royal?


          He might as well put his hand on her considering he's already soiled her with his armpit.
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        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        oh my goodness - people need to chill out! - it seems it doesn't take much to get people upset these days -

        I don't care about so-called protocol - the Royals are human just like you and me - and I seriously doubt Lebron meant any harm -

        if I met some of you folks down here in OT with whom I have had the pleasure of interacting with since 2008 - I would probably hug you - that doesn't mean I'm aggressive and mean anything other than showing you my love and affection - that's just who and how I am -

        no wonder I have been feeling like going off-grid into the wilderness lately -
        so many people are just very judgmental and mean-spirited -
        it makes me very sad.
        I agree with your comments, Karen. I'm exactly the same way.
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      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      We have no prince here in the U.S
      How dare you, sir!


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  • Profile picture of the author wn123
    Extreme banner manners. If he was posing for a picture dressed in a suit then ok, but he is sweating profusely. To be expected though from the likes of him..

    I find it strange when someone greets you like that or hugs you without permission.
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    • Profile picture of the author alistair
      Some people don't have much idea about what the monarchy is about which is fine. The modern monarchy are about keeping good relations with other nations, promoting Britain, representing our history, traditions, etc. People can say whatever they like about they do no good or being outdated whatever, but that's just complete rubbish.

      Fact is people like to see all the pomp and ceremony. I like to see it. It reminds me of how lucky I am to be an Englishman. I can't explain how it feels to be English and what exactly being English and the Queen means to some of us but the chap at 39.40 in the video below gives some sort of idea at least after being awarded an MBE by her, or at least the medal it represents to be specific.

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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    So if Lebron put his arm around Michelle Obama, would American media make a fuss about it?


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      Friendly hug/harmless hug/sigh of sexual dominance/your place or mine/unwanted pregnancy/court order/restraining order/why am l wasting my time with this?

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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      So if Lebron put his arm around Michelle Obama, would American media make a fuss about it?


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      Of course not, you won't even hear a peep from anyone. Now if a first lady shoved someone's hand away as if her poop don't stink, then there would be a big fuss about it.

      That's why people loved Princess Diana, she refused to be paraded around like a mantel piece, she was a human being first.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

        Of course not, you won't even hear a peep from anyone. Now if a first lady shoved someone's hand away as if her poop don't stink, then there would be a big fuss about it.

        That's why people loved Princess Diana, she refused to be paraded around like a mantel piece, she was a human being first.
        Can I just point out for the record, I've looked and can find about 3 people that have been reported to have said they're annoyed by this.

        Seriously, of the 70 odd million people here, I cannot stress enough how incredibly small the amount of people here are annoyed by this.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Can I just point out for the record, I've looked and can find about 3 people that have been reported to have said they're annoyed by this.

          Seriously, of the 70 odd million people here, I cannot stress enough how incredibly small the amount of people here are annoyed by this.
          I believe you, it was probably some snobby reporter who made a big deal out of it. I imagine hard working people are the same all over the world, and could care less about it. If people don't want them to be touch, then encase them in glass
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          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Can I just point out for the record, I've looked and can find about 3 people that have been reported to have said they're annoyed by this.

          Seriously, of the 70 odd million people here, I cannot stress enough how incredibly small the amount of people here are annoyed by this.
          Michelle Obama Partially Embraces Queen, Brits Go a Bit Mad



          Michelle Obama Partially Embraces Queen, Brits Go a Bit Mad -- NYMag
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          • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Michelle Obama Partially Embraces Queen, Brits Go a Bit Mad



            Michelle Obama Partially Embraces Queen, Brits Go a Bit Mad -- NYMag
            I imagine the royal family are tired of being treated like a show piece. I'm pretty sure they rather be on their own land hunting/fishing than to be paraded around the world. When people take photo's they usually embrace in some sort of way, if they don't then the pictures come out looking awkward.
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Michelle Obama Partially Embraces Queen, Brits Go a Bit Mad
            See my post earlier in this thread about Paul Keating. You can imagine how apeshit the British tabloids went over that incident.

            First off, it was a man with his arm around the Queen, and secondly, he's an Australian.

            I'm not quite sure which of those two things caused the most outrage.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
              Now if it was a man with his but cheeks hanging out, then maybe I would not want his arms around me, and what is the princess looking at?

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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Michelle Obama Partially Embraces Queen, Brits Go a Bit Mad

            Crikey, I didn't even know that Suzanne. It was in a New York paper so it must be true, Brits go mad. Right. Where are the images of these people going 'mad'?

            Sorry but that article is crap.

            Nearly the entire nation simultaneously snarfed their English Breakfast.
            Cracking stereotype, I can't remember the last time I had one. Hardly convenient to cook each morning before work.

            By the way, the Queen touched her first...That's what the article is about.

            "There was a bit of a bottleneck as all of the leaders filed out so the Queen started chatting to Michelle Obama. She appeared to look up at her and make a comment about how tall she was. As she did, she put her arm around Mrs Obama and rested her gloved hand on the small of her back. Almost simultaneously, Mrs Obama put her arm around the Queen's shoulders rather more firmly. The pair then looked at their feet and appeared to be discussing their shoes. The Queen then dropped her arm and, a few seconds later, Michelle did the same. The entire exchange lasted around eight to ten seconds but was absolutely extraordinary.
            It is believed to be the first time in the 57 years of her reign that Elizabeth of England has ever performed such a gesture. It is against protocol to touch the Queen unless she touches you first.
            So the Queen broke protocol. Probably because she thinks it's out dated too.

            Below is everything in the article that's proof we all went mad.

            Headline...

            Michelle Obama Partially Embraces Queen, Brits Go a Bit Mad
            One other sentence...

            Nearly the entire nation simultaneously snarfed their English Breakfast.
            So that must be true, the paper said so. Thank you for a genuine laugh.

            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            See my post earlier in this thread about Paul Keating. You can imagine how apeshit the British tabloids went over that incident.

            First off, it was a man with his arm around the Queen, and secondly, he's an Australian.

            I'm not quite sure which of those two things caused the most outrage.
            Ah, someone that can separate the press from the entire British public.

            Thank you.

            EDIT. Suzanne, I'm not saying you think all Brits went mad from that article, we all know the author wasn't simultaneously at almost the entire nations breakfast tables when it happened.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
              AHA!!!!!! I knew it! I knew the English practiced simultaneous snarfing.

              Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post


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              • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                AHA!!!!!! I knew it! I knew the English practiced simultaneous snarfing.
                We are the Borg.

                In fairness according to the article, the Brits went a bit mad but the English did the well coordinated snarf.


                Is this where barf comes from? "I snarfed and then I barfed"???
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

                  We are the Borg.

                  In fairness according to the article, the Brits went a bit mad but the English did the well coordinated snarf.


                  Is this where barf comes from? "I snarfed and then I barfed"???
                  No, that sounds like it came from Dr. Seuss.


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          • Profile picture of the author alistair
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Michelle Obama Partially Embraces Queen, Brits Go a Bit Mad
            We've always been a bit mad over here love, didn't you know?


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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Can I just point out for the record, I've looked and can find about 3 people that have been reported to have said they're annoyed by this.

          Seriously, of the 70 odd million people here, I cannot stress enough how incredibly small the amount of people here are annoyed by this.
          Speaking of the royals and nobles, are there still big class divisions in the UK - based on birth?

          I heard a few years ago that it was pretty thick and pervades every aspect of the society.

          I remember the head butler guy from Upstairs Downstairs often saying...

          'I know my station in life".

          Of course U.S. isn't perfect and I know you folks no longer have the "Right Of The First Night" but what's the deal over there?
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          • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
            Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

            Speaking of the royals and nobles, are there still big class divisions in the UK - based on birth?
            I think so yes. If I was born to a wealthy family that sent me to a private school where you're very likely to get into a prestigious Uni I'd say your chances of getting a good job and rising up the ladder fast are higher than most.

            I heard a few years ago that it was pretty thick and pervades every aspect of the society.
            That depends who you speak to. I was brought up on a council estate with a single Mum at the time. The school I went to didn't turn out the most desirable types but it hasn't stopped me doing fairly well. Certainly not rich but better than a lot of people I went to school with. Had I got a degree I may have got a good job somewhere, not that I'd want to change anything.

            I think anyone here can achieve a decent life if they want to. The trouble is many don't. There are too many people on benefits, entire communities that have never worked and their kids won't work either but they complain about their lot. For tax payers that's a bit rich as they struggle to make ends meet while those on benefits whinge about it

            Of course U.S. isn't perfect and I know you folks no longer have the "Right Of The First Night" but what's the deal over there?
            Prima nocta was a bit before my time chap. I don't really know what the deal is over here. It's complicated now. We have people that came over in the fifties that have worked very hard to achieve a good life. Now people come here so they don't have to work. I personally don't think it's the class division that's the main problem, it's the entitlement culture and the wish to be supported by others that is destroying this place and I don't for one second think this island has ever been anywhere near perfect.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Most bizarre, My mind was playing tricks on me. Somehow, I misread the title of this thread to be related to conflicting theories on Astronomy. But it was more observations of the latest gesticulations of the elite. Don't want to miss that! I'm losing touch. I've really got to get my mind out of the stars and back in the gutter.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    All of Ohio is upset over the Warrior Forum antics of Claude and Riffle.
    I read that in an article by a Forbes 'contributor'.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I read that in an article by a Forbes 'contributor'.
      Forbes? Wasn't it in The Daily Gay?







      (Not that there's anything wrong with that of course.)
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      It'll just knock over all the pieces, poop on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway.
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    I don't see a problem with it. People get offended way too easily these days.
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